PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | Brian Johnson out as Philadelphia Eagles offensive coordinator: Who replaces him?

Episode Date: January 23, 2024

As news continues to trickle out about the Eagles’ staff makeover, we now know offensive coordinator Brian Johnson will not return as Nick Sirianni’s offensive coordinator. The bloodletting of the 2023 staff indicates that Jeffrey Lurie was properly disappointed in the way the season ended, though he’s trusting Sirianni to be able to fix things.Who will replace Johnson? Does an internal candidate make sense or will they scour the football world for someone who knows what a blitz is and has seen a quarterback drop back from under center once in his life. Zach Berman and Bo Wulf investigate. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

To the PHLY Eagles podcast on a Tuesday at noon so close for Steve Whiteacre, as we welcome you in to a jam-packed show. Lots to talk about as the Eagles reportedly moving on from Brian Johnson as the offensive coordinator. So Zach and I will talk about why that might be, what some of the ramifications might be, the reporting that other members of the coaching staff are not very excited about that. And we're going to talk about some of the names that we might be interested in talking to were we the Eagles? We'll have to hear about Zach's Monday night basketball game. We've got to get to that at some point.

But we've got to start the show, Zach. And I wish happy birthday to Julia. Where would we be without Julia? Yes, happy birthday, Julia. Now, did you said yesterday that, or Julia said, that you have texted her on her birthday every year for the past however many years. That's correct. Did you do it again this morning?

No, because I was going to see her. I knew I was going to see her in person. So you're breaking the text streak. Yes, because I haven't seen Julia on her birthday. in about 20 years, 19 years. So this is the first time I'm seeing her on her birthday in 19 years. So therefore, I can say it in person. Okay, well, very exciting.

Way better than the text. Thank you. Way better than the text. There you go. So everybody in the chat, please wish Julia a happy birthday. You know her well as the person who portrayed Jeffrey Lerry's executive assistant. And she is the key to this show, seriously. I'm not about that.

Things have been very smooth with Julia running the show, so we appreciate it. All right. Zach, how did basketball go last night? I'm proud to say that between Joe Al-M-Bee and Carl Anthony Towns and me, we scored a combined 162 points. That doesn't, I don't think that's right. I'm sorry, 132 points. You honestly, you scored 30 points?

Yes, we scored 132 points. I apologize. Right, you're a word man, not a math, man. No, I can do math. I got excited about Carl Anthony Towns. He's 62 points. So, yeah, we scored a combined 132 points. I did not score.

Did you shoot? Did you attempt to one field goal? No, we won, though. That was the most important thing. Did you attempt to field goal? I did not attempt to field goal last night. But I was part of some winning plays. And what matters is that we won.

I had an ill-fated penetration where, you know, I thought I was going to finish at the rim. But instead, the double team collapsed. I froze, I turned the ball over, and thereafter I was like, throw up a pump fake and a foul. I was like, Bose in my head here, so I'm just going to play. I'm going to do the Larry Brown, play the game the right way. Oh, no. And I. You thought to yourself in the middle of the basketball game that I was in your head?

Yeah, that if I didn't attempt a field goal, if I didn't attempt a field goal, I'm going to, this is going to be fodder on the show. But you're going to make the other team guard you at least. Well, what I did was I made the other team guard our best players, and our best players were scoring. That was the key. We won finally. We're in the win column. Finally closed out a close game. Okay.

This must have been your first time getting to play in a while. First time playing in a while, you're right. And I won't, we have a bye week next week, and then we're in the Super Bowl, the week after that. We're at the Super Bowl, the week after that. So I won't play for another two weeks. Wait, why no game next week? It's a by week. There's seven teams in the league, one team's off each week.

Disappointing. Yeah. All right, Zach, let's get to the Eagles news. That's what the people are tuning in for. And also, they're excited about the ill-fated penetration. Give me the news that you know from... You're ridiculous. You are ridiculous. I'm not the one who said it.

There's nothing... They're all thinking it. Are they? Yes. Well, they all need to get their head out and better. You even gave like a pregnant pause to let that phrase sink in, it felt like... No, I saw you look at the camera. in such a way

that we won I should have led with that we won the winning is the most important thing and we won so that I slept well last night

knowing we won I'm glad you slept well that's the first time in a while it feels like I slept well on last Tuesday I slept to live as well so

so yeah so the more important thing that what we care out here. Give me the stone cold newsman breakdown of what we know. We know according to multiple reports here that the Eagles are moving on from Brian Johnson. And Brian Johnson, who was the quarterback's coach for two years, the offense coordinator this past year, has been a candidate for head coaching jobs this off-season. And this comes out today that the Eagles are moving on. Actually, we should credit Derek Gunn reported this yesterday that,

all signs point to Brian Johnson not being back. And we had been discussing whether they would kind of wait to see the head coaching situation, if there'd be a soft landing elsewhere for Brian Johnson, or if he would return, and it would be more of a changing of scheme or evolving of scheme, or maybe empowering Brian Johnson even more to craft the offense in his way. But this news shows that the Eagles are making a changed offensive coordinator second year in a row. they're replacing both their offensive and defensive coordinators last year not on their volition, this year on their volition, but for an organization that really touted continuity during the Super Bowl

year, there's been very little continuity now for the past 24 months, or past 12 months. There's going to be time as we move on in this episode to talk about potential replacements, but let's unpack this from a decision-making process and from what it means because, you know, you tweeted about it, you put out a tweet. Nick Siriani has been... Too long, didn't read. Is that what you suggested? Well, I mean, you put out a lot of it. the tweets, but yeah, there was one of them that was particularly

long that, you know, I mean, it's Twitter. Your eyes are glazing over. I can't be reading all that. I mean, congratulations or sorry that happened to you, but we're moving on. That's not the form. Whenever there's something to be right, it's the form.

I'm making it the form, right? So, yeah, there's nothing. Ain't nobody got time for that. Okay. Yeah, so let's unpack this. So, so Nick has been very loyal to the coaching staff, right? And this is a much different situation than the defensive coordinator where they had to

scramble to replace Jonathan Gannon. They brought in somebody from the outside who hadn't worked with Nick before. Brian Johnson has been in the building with Nick Siriani for all three years that he's been the head coach. He was promoted from within. Like the Jalen Hertz relationship of this aside, I mean, it seems certainly like something was broken on offense by the end of this season. but the way that this has happened, where it has taken a week for it to come out,

and like we don't know the degree to which Jeffrey Lurie is playing a role in these decisions, but Jeffrey Lurie has decided, based on this, or in conjunction with Nick Siriani, that Nick Siriani was not the problem with the offense, or at least was not the unfixable problem with the offense, that Brian Johnson is the one who's going to be, sort of, you know, scapegoated maybe strong here, but is the one who's taking the fall. Which I think is a little bit rough.

You're right. Now, in that tweet that you did not read, I said it's an odd move. I mean, I read the first sentence. I want to be careful. I want to kind of explain. Novels on Twitter. I want to explain my semantics here. It's not odd that the Eagles are making a change in offense. They need to improve. They underperformed on offense. They need more creativity. They need to adjust the scheme. They need to evolve.

They need something different. What's odd to me is that Brian Johnson, and you know this well, was held in high esteem in the organization. They thought highly of him. He's someone who, like, from the top, the Eagles did not want to let, excuse me, the Eagles did not want to let him out of the building last year. Brian Johnson had the opportunity to leave. There were teams interested in him as an offensive coordinator.

The Eagles made sure to promote him because they, did not want to lose him. And he was someone who was brought to Nick Siriani when Siriani got the job, right? There was no pre-existing relationship there. And he's, like I said, he's been respected and well thought of in the building. So typically when you have a young coach who's held in high regard, the organization does everything they can to keep them, right? And so I thought one of the possible changes for the offense would be, all right, let's take the staff that we have, or at least some of the staff that we have,

Stoutland and Bryant Johnson and Nick Siriani, and let's rethink this. Let's put new ideas together. But just that bad boy. Yes, maybe add in senior offensive assistant who can bring in different ideas too, but spend the offseason reinventing this with the minds that you have. Say you're not hiring or you don't employ people based on scheme, you employ people based on their minds, their coaching ability, will take this and build a new system

or evolve the system. So the fact that they determine that the better course of action is not to have Brian Johnson in the building, yeah, that part of it surprised me. And it is, so whether this is accurate or not, and it's one of these things where you hear all the time that, you know, success has a thousand fathers and failures in orphan, right? So when things aren't going well, it's like, yeah, that's not me, right? But one thing you kept— Yeah, one thing you kept hearing was that Brian Johnson was operating within the restraints of Nick Siriani's offense, that Nick Siriani, even though he's not the play caller, had a heavy hand in how they were going to call the game. And so the fact that—and I don't want to take this as like me saying Siriani's the person.

problem. I think Seriani is a really good coach and a good offensive mind as well, but the fact that you're saying, all right, well, Brian Johnson's the issue here with the offense, essentially. I do find that surprisingly. And the third thing before we, you know, before I'm curious your thoughts on this is you can't divorce J. Allen Hertz from this. Jalen Hertz is the franchise quarterback. I can't imagine any decision is made about the offense without at least discussing with Jalen Hertz. And so J-O-N-1 is a chain of command guy, right? He came... Thanks for the call, but

you know, owner's own, coach is coach. I got to work out. He's the franchise quarterback. They paid him $255 million. I can't imagine anything happens here without Jaywin Hertz at least being clued in. I don't even know if I agree that he has to be part of the decision-making process, but I think

the entire point. point of the decision-making process is to figure out what is going to be best for Jalen Hertz, what you think is going to be best for Jalen Hertz, how you're going to be able to get the best out of Jalen Hertz because he's the guy you're paying all that money to. You need, like, that is what is most important. And if they have determined that, you know, Brian Johnson can't do that, I think that's a little bit surprising to me. I thought that they might, you know, make the case for continuity here.

We said it before, but like, you know, the one time Jailen Hertz got to play two years in a row with the same play caller, he went to the Super Bowl. And that's the only time he's done it since he was in high school, right? So I thought they might double back on that. I also think, you know, there's some of the reporting, I think it was from Jeremy Fowler about how some of the other assistants have maybe not reacted well to this and how much dissension and drama there seemed to be in the building over the past couple months.

That's the part here where, you know, we don't know yet. We may never know the full extent, but, you know, certainly some things will trickle out eventually. But the personality dynamics here we don't know about, and it's possible that there has been clashing between, you know, Siriani and Brian Johnson or other factors within the coaching staff. Yeah, two points there. I'm glad you clarified the J.1. Hertz point,

because that's probably stronger. Not that he's making the decision, but that J.1N. Hertz's regression is a real thing. And, like, the number one thing that the Eagles must figure out from an offense perspective, is how to maximize J.1 Hertz, right? So if he went down this year, you need to look at the factors for why that is. Is it play calling? Is it coaching?

Is it a scheme? Is it all of the above? It's none of the above, right? So, yeah, that's a good way of putting it. To the second point, I saw that Jeremy Fowler report, and that would line up with the idea that Brian Johnson was kind of operating within the confines of what Nick Siriani wanted. right, that there is a fall guy component to this because, like, he's, I mean, perhaps there were third downs when he wanted to be more aggressive, right?

Or perhaps, like, he was, it was his, you know, it was his, his way of thinking was a little bit different than the way the Eagles went because, like Nick Siriani says, he has a heavy hand in the offense. So I don't know that to be the case in terms of what the other staff members think, but, There was a thought that Brian Johnson was, as I said, operating within the confines of Nick Siriani's offense. It also tracks with some things I was hearing over the course of the second half of the season about just how dramatic things were in the building and turbulent they were behind the scenes. And when stuff like that happens, you can either like fully clean house, and we talked about that as a possibility, or you can start fresh with, like, I guess just Nick Siriani and see who else is going to stay around. I'm very curious to see, you know, the pairing of coordinators they hire if this is going to be the kind of thing where R-R-R-R-R-R-Rid from the outside is

sort of Jeffrey doing what he did with Chip Kelly. Like, okay, I'm going to give you your chance to do it on your terms, and if it doesn't work, that's going to be it. Or if it's going to be more, all right, I've got to hold your hand now. Sure. And you're going to work with the people who, know and who are professional. And if it's Ron Rivera and Pat Shermer to pull an am,

it's not going to be Pat Schumer. But if those are the guys they bring in, and it's like, OK, this person needs some adults around him. And I'm going to be the one to put them around him. That's one way of doing it. Or if it's Kevin Petulow and I don't know, some defensive guy who Nick worked with in the past. And it's like, OK, go ahead.

Let's see how you do. Those are the two extremes. but I think that will tell us about what Jeffrey Lurie really thinks of Nick Siriani at the moment. You're right. If this is Nick's higher or if this is Howley and Jeffrey's higher, that's critical here. Are you empowering Nick or are you essentially signaling to the league that Nick's here, but we're running the show, right? I'm very curious to see.

I also want to make the point here. I've heard this and I see this in the chat sometimes with, that the offense was explosive, really good with Shane Steichen. They took a step back with Brian Johnson, therefore, you know, Siriani was there both times. Siriani's the constant, therefore Brian Johnson's the problem. This is our point exactly is that you can't just say the 2002 offense look like this, so therefore the 23 offense is going to look like that.

The league evolves. The league sees you. The league's making adjustments. The league saw Jalen Hertz in that first year. The league saw how you used AJ Brown, Devante Smith, right? So what's your counterpunch? How are you adjusting? How is your scheme evolving?

The coaches that struggle, I mean, we saw this with Chip Kelly, by the way. If you keep going back to what you keep doing, the league's seeing it on tape, there's smart coaches elsewhere too, right? You're not the only place that has smart coaches. So what's your adjustment to their adjustments? And that's why I was fascinated to see what 2023 would look like, I'm sorry, 2024 would look like, had the Eagles kind of brought the band back together on offense. If they're saying we have smart people in the building, the problem here, you know,

let's take these minds and let's reinvent this offense based on how teams are playing us. That, I was curious, I thought that was going to be more of the course of action on offense than the dramatic change. and to your point, I'm very, I'm fascinated to see if they bring in just someone totally different from outside this coaching tree who is here to be kind of, you know, and so then Siriani's really the CEO. It's not Siriani's offense at that point. Or if Seriani says, all right, I'm going to make a heavier hand here, and I'm going to hire my guy who's going to call the plays the way I want them called. Julia, cracking a birthday beer over there? Good for you. It's past news. Oh, it's a spin drift. That's not even better than a saucer. Yeah, what a treat.

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offensive ideas brought in. Talk to 25 people, you know, give me your best ideas. How would you fix the offense? And if we don't hire you, we can incorporate some of those things potentially. it's a thing to have in the back of our mind. Maybe one of these people can also join the staff in a different capacity. But if this is like they're interviewing four people

who they already had like the list for and they're hiring one of them, I'm going to be pretty disappointed in like what that would say about Nick's outlook on how broken the offense was, how underperforming it was. I also think this is part of, I think if you're selling this full staff makeover,

aside from whether there was turbulence in the building, what you're saying is, You know, we had a chance to build a staff in the beginning. We thought that that was a good staff, obviously, helped bring us to the Super Bowl. Last year, in losing both coordinators, you know, a linebacker's coach. At the end of the hiring cycle, we were left to backfill from the leftovers, right? And now they have a chance to rebuild a strong staff from the beginning, like with, you know, seven different NFL staffs that have turned over, plus, you know, college coaches.

They can really rebuild a strong staff from the ground. up, I think. I think that might be part of a selling point, but I'm really curious to see like how wide a net they cast for offensive coordinator here, because I think they should be talking to like as many people as possible. Does play calling matter? Does play calling experience matter? I mean, that's a question for Nick. Maybe a question we can ask him tomorrow. I mean, I think that it is a selling point at the job that you get to call plays, even though it may be Nick's offense in general. I don't know that I think that play calling experience is a must.

I don't know. Do you? I don't, but if you're coaching for your job, sometimes the learning on the job candidate might not be as appealing. Yeah, I would imagine that Nick would prefer somebody with a play calling experience. You know, Shane had play calling experience. Brian Johnson, even though he was involved in the play calling at Florida,

had never been kind of the primary play caller, certainly not at the NFL level, or I should say was not the primary play caller at Florida, although it kind of sounded like the last year he was, Dan Mullen was seating it. Regardless, at the NFL level, you're talking about had not been a play caller before. And by the way, Nick Siriani had not been a play caller before.

And when he took over his head coach, Dallas is his first time doing it. Then again, Bobby Sloak in Houston right now, he's calling plays and is looking great. So you never know until you're actually in that position. But I do wonder, given the fact that Seriani can't afford another bad year, we can admit that. Right. You know, they need to capitalize on next season. And this ties into what we said on yesterday's show.

The timelines are actually, they're congruent here in that the Eagles think they have a championship. team and Nick Siriani needs to capitalize on that but Nick can't have like a guy who's just turning it on in week 11 next year and then you say we have momentum going into 2025 Nick needs to win next year in order to be back. I also think it's worth mentioning you know Jeffrey Lurie was proud of the fact last off season that they were the only team in the league that had three minority yeah, you know, coordinators for offensive defensive and special teams coordinator that didn't even last a half a season and you know when they when they fired John. decide and now Brian Johnson is out. I also think from a like a patience standpoint, you know,

Michael Clay is a testament to sure. The power of patience there like everybody was calling for Michael Clay's job last year and they had the number one special teams DBOA in the league this year. And so you could make a case that if Brian Johnson got another year that faith would have been rewarded. Again, we don't know about the personality, personality dynamics. I think that was a factor here, but, you know, we keep talking about the steady hand. We'll just see how this whole thing turns out. Yes, it's a great point because, like, that was something that they took pride in. And the fact that it didn't, yeah, it didn't last.

And I look at what the Ravens are doing, for instance, now with John Harbaugh. That's not the coordinator level. But sometimes coaches go through those peaks and valleys, right? and if you believe in a person's leadership ability and you believe in a person's mind and you believe in what they can do, then you have to be, then you can endure the dip

if you feel that it's a slight dip and that there's a bounce back coming forward. You brought this up. The Eagles haven't been a head coach-centric organization since 2016. They've frankly been a front office-centric organization. There's kind of been the belief that they put the roster together

and they'll make everything else work from there, right? So there's other organizations that have been more head coach-centric. So I am, this is the type of hire is going to be real interesting to see, are you empowering Nick, are you believing Nick, or is Nick coaching now with his hands behind his back? All right, well, let's get into some of the names that we've come up with. This is, for me at least, I don't know how you went about it. This is not necessarily, I think they should hire this guy and more this is someone

who I would want to talk to and interview at least and I find curious. And I think this is different than defensive coordinator where we talked about, I sort of think that they need a plug and play adult as a defensive coordinator. I want somebody with a little bit more creativity on offense. We can just go back and forth here. Sure. Do you want to go first? You go first.

I mean, the number one name on my list, I am trying to find somebody new, but the guy out there who I have to talk to is. is Eric Bienemy. Okay. Now, I think it would be very funny if, you know, you go and hire like Ron Rivera and Eric Bienemy from this very terrible Washington commanders team. But, I mean, the numbers on Bienemy are just,

aren't just wild. I mean, five years in Kansas City as the offensive coordinator, right? Never once in those five years below fourth in either success rate or EPA per drive. In 18, third in success rate, first in EPA per drive. Fourth in success rate, second in EPA per drive in 19. in 20, fourth and third, in 21, first and first and first, and first. Now, you got Andy Reid, you got Patrick Mahomes.

What is Eric B. Enemy? Like, it's impossible to pull out, you know, his value there. The year he's gone, this year, they dropped to 10th in success rate and 11th in EPA per drive. So there are lots of other variables, but I think that tells you something. Now in Washington, they went from 24th a year ago to 14th in success rate this year, and then they went from 27th in EPA per drive to 24th and EPA would drive. Not a great offense, but they had Sam Howell. You know, there were hamstrings there.

That is someone who has worked with a great quarterback before. There are, you know, reports that he can be combative with the players. That's a dynamic you need to be aware of. Maybe they need that. Maybe they need that. I would, I feel like I would not be doing a service to the organization if I was looking for an office. offensive coordinator and I did not talk to Eric Piano me. I'm with you there as you can see.

He's the top one. He's the top, well, I didn't necessarily rank them, but yeah, he's the first name I have here. And you do need to look at those Washington numbers, but you also need to put the Washington numbers within the context as well. So, yeah, I would absolutely speak to him. And he fills the void of established play caller, right? Like, you know the job is not too big for him. He's done it. He's had success. He's worked with high-profile players. Like, you know, if he's in the room with with Jalen Hertz, Jailen Hertz isn't in charge of him. Like, like he's been he's been in the room with Patrick Mahomes. So that brings, that should bring you credibility. It's not like he has the job because of Jalen Hertz here, right? So yeah, I do like him and you do need to consider the context of the Washington situation. He also has,

a slight background with Eagles, too. He played in Philly. So there's a background with Jeffrey Lurie, perhaps. I'm going to go down off the board here, or I would imagine guys you might not have on yours, so there's not a crossover. Joe Moorhead. Do you have him? He was in consideration for my fifth name. Joe Moorhead. Now the head coach at that I think it's okay for me to say that I texted Coach Flynn to see if there are any names on his mind. He said, Joe Moorhead is one of his favorite play callers. Yeah. There you go.

So Joe Moorhead, who is the head coach at Akron now, formerly the head coach at Mississippi State. He was the offensive coordinator. He was the head coach at Fordham. He was the offensive coordinator at Penn State when Sequin Barclay was there. He was the offensive coordinator at Oregon. And he's, you know, Bruce Feldman, who there's few reporters I respect more than Bruce for the athletic. He has a piece where he says NFL teams are going to be looking at Joe Moritz. And you can understand why, because when you watch his offenses, wherever he's been, they're creative.

They blend the RPO game with the West Coast system game. If you see what Joe Brady's doing with the bills right now, what Joe Brady did with the Panthers, he was fired prematurely by Matt Ruhle, frankly, but he had a lot of success at LSUas as well. He uses the concepts that he learned from Joe Moorhead when he worked under Joe Moorhead at Penn State. So also, I should add, when you see what Todd Monkin's doing with the Ravens, that's a guy who, similar to Joe Moore had been a college coach, had been a college coordinator, is a veteran type. Joe Moorhead's definitely someone that I would speak with. Okay. I'm interested in that.

By the way, I was going to start this exercise. If I went first, I was going to say Chip Kelly. Okay. and then I was going to say Matt Patricia, just for kind of the laughs of it. It's good. Matt Patricia has an offensive coordinator experience, right? And then Chip Kelly would always be first. One of the best candidates out there, Matt Patricia.

It's going to have a lot of opportunities. He's got a lot of opportunities, on offense and defense. Yeah, exactly. You might get hired as both. Just be a head of the coaching staff. All right, I got another one. I have a couple guys on here who you're going to know more about than I am. Okay.

But this is the second person on my list of two so far who once played for the Philadelphia Eagles. And that is G.J. Kinney. Oh, okay, I like this. G.J. Kinney, who was the head coach at Incarnate Word and then went to Texas State, known for being a creative offensive play caller, looked a little bit at the numbers. Texas State went from 21.1 points per game, which was 111 in the country, to 36.7 points per game, which was 11th in the country in one year under G.J. Kennedy went from 325 yards per game to 457,

6.0 yards per attempt to 8.3, and 3.3 yards per carry to 4.6. Supposedly runs sort of like an up-tempo spread out type offense. He was in the Eagles building for a year, even post-playing career as like an analyst before he went into coaching. 35 years old. That's the guy I want to talk to. Yeah, close friends with Lane Johnson. Rising college head coach, like G.J., always found him smart.

He can view the game from a quarterback's perspective, but he actually played other positions, too, for the Eagles, too, right? So I've only heard good things about G.J. Coach's son, who, like, this is kind of what he's always wanting to do, and the successes is there at the college level from a young age. Like, worked up. He was an offensive coordinator at Hawaii. Then he was the offensive coordinator at, like, Central Florida.

He's just, he's kept moving up the system. I like that. That's a good one. Okay. In a similar vein, let's stick in college. Okay. I'll take your G.J. Kenny. And I'll give you Will Stein.

Oh, I had Will Stein on my list. You had Will Stein. Well, he was one of the other guys in contention for my number five. So Will Stein, 34 years old. He's never worked in the NFL. Will Stein, by the way, he's Oregon's offensive coordinator. Now, for full disclosure here, I, I, I. Win Will Stein's.

money. I wanted to push around more from Michigan. I'm assuming that he's either Michigan's head coach or, you know, I'm assuming he's Michigan's head coach next year, to be honest with you. But the Oregon offense, when I watched that this year, and I watched them quite a few times, was really impressed

with them. Will Stein was in his first year there. Then you look at the numbers both traditional and the advanced numbers. They were number one in opponent adjusted efficiency this year in college. You look at you know, where they were in terms of top and passing yards, completion percentage,

sacks allowed, first downs per game, scrimmage yards of 10 plus plays. They rank number two in scoring offense and total offense and total yards per play and fewest turnovers. And then you say, all right, well, he did this with Oregon's offense, right? You know, they had Bo Nix, who was out of his mind. Now, he was part of that. What happened to him? Okay.

Bo Nix. He was outstanding. He was efficient this year. He was efficient this year. Just really, I mean, an outstanding season. They had Troy Franklin. They had a lot of good players, right? Bucky Irving.

And that was just his first year on the job of working, right? First year, yeah. But then you look at the year before that. He was at Texas San Antonio. Texas San Antonio is not filled with the top players in college football. Well, they were number nine nationally in total offense. Number 12 in scoring offense. Number 12 in passing offense.

They scored 30 plus points in 12 of 13 games and 40 plus points in seven games. when he was there in his last year at UTSA. So this is all a way of saying, and by the way, this isn't one of, I don't want to say like a gimmicky offense. This is an offense that combines RPO concepts with a lot of like pro concepts, so the pro game has a lot of RPO concepts now too.

But I was really impressed with that Oregon offense. Them in Michigan, where I thought were the two best offenses I saw in college football this year. and 34, I know never worked in the NFL, but if you think ideas work up, he is someone I would speak with. I see A.J. Walker in the chat saying Oregon was extremely efficient offensively. That's why I said, number one,

an opponent of just an efficiency in college football. Now we presume Brian Grubb, who went with Kailin DeBore from Washington to Alabama, is probably not on the table, right? Is that we assume he's going to take this chance at Alabama, do that first? I would imagine so. He's kind of been with DeBore. all thought the reality wanted that Washington job.

But, yeah, that would be my assumption. Okay, so we'll leave him off the list for now. I'm going to give you another former Eagle, Zach. Okay. I'm going to give you a former Eagle who worked with Nick Seriani. Ah, he's on my list. First name there. There he is.

And that is Gerard Johnson. Another 35-year-old, who is the Houston Texans quarterback's coach. Yep. Was the Colts Offensive Quality Control Coach for two. seasons overlapping with Nick Siriani. Then he went to Minnesota to be the assistant quarterbacks coach for a year. And then was C.J. Strouds, you know, man in the building with him this year. Has, you know, had the exposure to the Shanahan Bobby Sloick tree this season. So would be able to teach that a little bit. And there is a relationship, presumably,

with Siriani. So I think that that's a player that is on my list for, a coach, rather, who's on my for Nick to talk to. Yeah, Houston native, close with Quincy Avery, who's worked with Jow and Hertz, so there's a J.O. and Hertz connection there. You might say, you know, this sounds like Brian Johnson, last name, Johnson from Houston. But you could go from BJ to GJ, or you could go from Brian Johnson to Gerard Johnson. But if you're fast, if you're curious about that 49er. Brian Johnson to Brian Greasy. If you're curious about that 49er system, if you're curious about, you know, the fact that he played in the league, that he worked with Siriani, that he played quarterback at a high level.

There's that he's been exposed to a lot of different offensive systems, was with Kevin O'Connell. That would, he checks a lot of boxes there. The reason I asked you before if the play calling matters is because are you prioritizing someone who has the play calling experience or are you going for someone who could be the next big thing, who in a year from now is the way people are talking about Bobby sloic. And that's the only question there, but there's a lot on that profile that you like, and you can't argue with what the success that C.J. Stroud has had this year.

Okay. Over to you. So I'll kind of stick to a similar theme there in terms of a quarterbacks coach. This one does not, this one has play calling experience in college, although maybe not to the same success. And that's T. Martin. T. Martin, another former eagle who was also on my list. Team Martin, who was the offense coordinator at USC for a period of time, got stripped of his play calling duties there by Clay Hilton. But things kind of went south with Clay Hilton. But, you know, he was a rising coach in the college ranks, came to the NFL. He was a wide receivers coach, now a quarterback's coach. He's now in this Todd Monkin system.

Lamar Jackson's had a lot of success with him. Previously, he was in that Greg Roman system, right? Which I think, you know, I mean, say what you will about what it is in the passing game, tremendous run game concepts there too, right? So you're kind of blending these different ideas together. The work with Lamar Jodz, with Lamar Jackson cannot be dismissed. You can think that people can improve as a play call. He can't just take, you know, that short time at USC and say this is exactly who he is as a play caller, who's been exposed. to a lot of different ideas since then.

I would be very interested in picking up from that Baltimore staff. I think they're always well coached. They're sound. The game plans this year have been spot on under Todd Monkin. And, you know, he has high-level college experience. They won a national championship with him at Tennessee. Peyton Manning never did. Peyton Manning's replacements, he Martin did.

So I would be, he'd be someone I'd be interested in speaking with. Yeah, I think that's a good one. I like that. All right. My next one, number four for me, I'm sticking to the NFL here. And this is not someone who has been exposed to a bunch of different systems. This is someone who has been in the building with Sean McVeigh for the past five seasons. This is Zach Robinson, the former journeyman NFL quarterback who has worked his way up the Rams staff.

He is now the passing game coordinator slash quarterbacks coach, which is what he has been for the past two seasons, 37 years old. I have a memory of Zach Robinson when he was coming out of the draft coming to the Eagles facility for a pre-draft visit. They didn't draft him, but I remember the chatter around the building about how handsome he was. That was the chatter? Yes, I remember that. What circles are you in where that's the chatter?

Here's a guy who was a successful player at Oklahoma State. he's here for his job I mean You know when To be fair This was this was the chatter From the women Who I was talking to

But I didn't get to see him But I believe Let me I mean I'll take a look at him He's a handsome guy I'm comfortable enough Sack To acknowledge When somebody else is handsome

You know I You don't have to be so pent up It's so protective of your masculinity It's not protective Of my masculinity It's a matter That shouldn't factor into the way you talk about someone or think about somebody. Why, Demico Ryan's took that

handsomeness all the way to, you know, a complete turnaround in Houston. Maybe Zach Robinson could do the same for the Eagles. Perhaps. Okay, so you got Zach Robinson as your handsome candidate. Yes, I do. And I also think, you know, this is the guy, there has been a lot of turnover with that Sean McVeigh staff over the past couple years. This is the guy who has been there all along. And I think I would, again, without knowing everything about it. And this is someone who I would want to talk to. He just needs to buy an H. That's good. I thought he said buy N.H. Like he has to buy New Hampshire. No, but it is that buy an H. Yes, I agree with that. Yes. He spells his name ZAC. That's the joke there. Yes. So I'm going to go with Cliff Kingsbury here.

Oh, interesting. Interesting. Look, Cliff Kingsbury. Here's a guy who thinks that he's handsome, but is actually not. You don't think Cliff Kingsbury's handsome? He is nowhere near as handsome as he thinks he is. So Zach Robinson does it for you, but Cliff Kingsbury does not. Correct. Okay, I just want to get that on the record. Cliff Kingsbury, who, I mean, say what you will about the way it ended in Arizona. His offenses had a lot of success. Arizona finished top 10 in offensive yards in 20 and 21.

Talk about another guy who never had a plan B. Top half of the league in points scored in each of his first three seasons. When Kyler Murray, in Kyler Murray's third season, working with Kingsbury's second and completion percentage, seventh in GBR, eighth in passer rating, 11th and adjust the net yards per attempt. Kingsbury had success at Texas Tech offensively, had success with the Cardinals offensively. I don't think his team's problems were that they couldn't move the ball. That last year was problematic.

Things did not go well with the Cardinals, but he spent last year in USC's building, working with Lincoln Riley. He has experience in an offense that, Jaylen Hertz thrived in in college, that Jay one Hertz kind of had a career renaissance in college. So you take that, you take that background. Now you have Jeff Stalton as your run game coordinator. We're assuming Jeff Stalding's back, right? Jeff Stoughton's revered in that building.

If he wants to be back, he'll be back. So the run game concepts were never a strength for Cliff Kingsbury. Well, what you're hiring him for is the play-calling feel. and the passing concepts, and now you blend that together with Jeff Stoutland's concepts, and you have a pretty good thing going. Okay. Gavin would rather have Bo Wolf as the O.C. than Cliff. So would I.

Okay. Objectively. I think my last one, this is one where, you know, I've got this full list. I would want to talk to every single one of these people. There are a couple weird ones on here. You know, what do you know about Cortez-Hankton, Zach? The wide receiver. Yes, former Jaguars wide receiver. He's been the passing game coordinator and wide receivers coach for LSU the past two years.

They had the best offense in football this year. He was the same job with Georgia for the two years before that, so there might be some overlap there. Never called plays. I'm not going to give him my spot here, but that's a guy that I would want to talk to. Let's see what Cortez-Hankton knows. I think my last one, and this is against type, this is not the up-and-comer, but this is someone who has had the play-calling job.

lost his job. And I'm curious to know what it was he was doing the past year. If he has any refreshing ideas. And that is Byron Leftwich. Okay. Who obviously came over with, what's his name from Arizona? I'm blanking. Bruce Ariens?

Bruce Ariens. And then, you know, won a Super Bowl with Tom Brady and then lost his job last year. And they brought in Dave Canales, who did a good job with that buck's offense. but Byron Leftwich, a guy who has played quarterback in the NFL, can meet Jalen Hertz on that level, has worked with Tom Brady. I think Jalen Hertz could, you know, could respect that and has, you know, maybe some downfield passing concepts that could help the Eagles, you know, search for explosive plays. So Joe Brady, well, yeah, so I, so to add to that there, I see what you're saying? I mean, I don't have to. I like Byron Leftwich.

when he was the coordinator at both those places. Byron Westwood, Byron Leftwich, I liked watching him at Marshall. I liked when they were carrying him up the field. I met him when he was with the Steelers. Oh, yes, you and Byron have a storied pass. I forgot about that. Not a story of past.

I hope they hire him just so you can bring this up in the first press conference. Tell everybody the story. He's an enemy of the pod, I forgot. He's not an enemy of the pod. I did not mind it. Byron Leftwich, who I have... This was a dick move, actually.

I'm going to take him off my list. No, I've great respect for... I'm going to go Pete Carmichael instead. I have great respect for Brian Leftwich. Oh, so much respect that you spelled his name on. Also, a D.C. High School legend. More like Byron Sandwich. A D.C. High School legend, I should add as well.

But I walked into the Steelers locker room. This was 2011, it was actually this week in 2011. I remember that vividly. And I was covering the Steelers Jets postseason. And I was at the Star Ledger at the time. And I was doing a story, I was doing a few stories from the Steelers locker room. And I walk in and I asked Byron if he can speak to me. And he said to me there's a height requirement for this locker room.

Which it was just playful banter, right? But he didn't know you. He didn't know him. It was playful banter. I think that's a dick move. Byron, you're gone. No, no, no. He actually, he ended up giving me a really good interview, so I appreciated that.

Enjoyed speaking to Byron then and respect his coaching since then. Also, an interesting sliding doors, he kind of sounded at one point like he could have gotten the Jaguar's job when Doug Peterson got it. He was like a higher candidate, but he did not want to work at Trent Balke was the rumor at the time. And so maybe Doug's post-N-Fel career or post-Eagles career is different otherwise. How about Jason Vrable, the Green Bay Packers, wide receivers coach, and passing game coordinator in the past two years? That's an offense I'd like to borrow a little bit from.

Yeah, LaFleur can coach. Yeah. 38 years old from South Park, Pennsylvania. Okay. That's out by Pittsburgh, I believe. Okay. The last one from me here is, if we're, well, Joe Brady, I should say, is not officially the Bill's offensive coordinator for next year. We assume he'll keep that job.

but he's technically free to interview Yeah he's technically at the interim The Eagles interviewed him as a head coach before they hired Siriani right

You met him on at an airport layover I was on the same plan I was on the same plane at the airport layover Joe Brady I was really impressed with what he did

with the bills this year I was really impressed with him at LSU of course and then like I said I thought Teddy Bridgewater did fine in that year

he coached him I would talk to I would talk to him but speaking of people the Eagles interviewed before they hired Siriani, Kellan Moore. Kellyn Moore had a lot of success with the Cowboys. Now, Thack Press got a really good year after Kellynne Moore left, and the Chargers didn't have a good year this year.

So maybe someone that's shine went off, but known as a really smart play caller. And, yeah, I would at least be interested in speaking to him, a young ascending coach. Yeah, all right. I'm going to run down a few names. You just give me a thumbs up or thumbs down. Okay, for talking to that.

right yeah okay ken dorsey thumb down Josh McDaniels thumb down Darrell Bevel he doesn't move the needle for me but I guess kind of in between thumb sideways Alex van Pelt

thumb down Tim Kelly thumb up your boy Arthur Smith yeah thumb up Joe Blaymire who's on the chief yeah yeah no chief's passing game coordinator right yeah yeah

Yeah, thumb up. Anyone working under Randy Reid I would want to speak with. Pete Carmichael. Thumb down. Scott Turner. Thumb down. Mike Kafka. What's your answer to that?

No. Thumb down. Chris O'Hara, the Vikings quarterback's coach. Don't know much about him. So thumbs up. You want to talk to him just to meet him. Yeah, someone I don't know I want to meet. Thomas Brown.

Yeah, thumb up from Thomas Brown. Josh McCown. Thumb up. Liam Cohen. Two thumbs up. Last one, Jeff Stoutland. Oh, yeah. Yeah, two thumbs up for Jeff Stowland, for sure.

Do you think that that is a possibility? I don't. Okay. But, yeah, if you make Jeff Stoughton, your offensive coordinator, though, and then you hire, you promote Roy Isfind to offensive line coach, and then you hire a passing game coordinator to kind of marry some of Jeff Stoutland's concept. Isn't that Kevin Petulow's job? That's true, actually, yeah.

So then you empower Kevin Petitouille even more. Yeah, I mean, I just think that... What about Deuce Staley, last one? I always like Deuce. So I'm probably not entirely objective here. I would say with Deuce, he's gotten passed over quite a bit. Yeah, I don't think you can bring Deuce in for an interview again. I don't think you're not going to hire him.

Yeah, exactly. That's like there's a point where the ship has sailed, and I would imagine that's the case with Deuce, but always enjoy my interactions with Duce. Now, are there any other names on your radar as, like, Siriani touchpoints who you might expect to be part of this process? So there's, there's, like, old Siriani co-workers that you can look at. Right. Right, like Todd Halley. He's been out of the NFL.

That would be a story. Yeah, I'm saying he's been out of the NFL for quite a bit. Like I said. I was surprised at the report from Zach Jackson of the athletic that Tommy Reese is going for the Browns as tight ends coach. I'm surprised that that was not a spot. that Nick was willing to offer. Yeah, Tommy Reese is something similar. Sure, exactly.

Or, you know, you move some deck chairs around and you bring Tommy Reese into the building. Tommy Reese, by the way, like for as much as you might joke about, him very well thought of in college football, there's a reason why Nick Saban decided to hire him and give him on $1.9 million salary. I mean, he literally, Nick Saban has been on top of the sport, the king of the sport for so long. He spent one year with Tommy Reese and promptly retired. I don't think. I think there's a correlation.

It's a clear one to one. I don't think anything to that. Tommy Reese is a really good coach. There's a reason why. Nick Saban never retired until he had to work with Tommy Reese. I don't think that was the case. I don't think that was the case. I think there was, I saw Dion Sanders' comments that, you know,

now you got to buy your offensive linemen. And Nick Saban's like, why am I doing this? Okay. I think those are all good names where so the first two names I mentioned Joe Moorhead and Will Stein. I mentioned that because I do think college, you're seeing a lot of college concepts move up and there's such a fascination with the incubator. Yeah, there's such a fascination with the McVe-Shannahan coaching tree and I get it, right? You watch Matt LaFleur call that game the other night. That was really impressive.

Kyle Shanahan say what you will about him, terrific play calls. from where I sit. That tree has had a lot of success. Coach is like a scared of cat. As a play caller. You said I could say whatever I wanted about him. Gets guys open. I look stupid.

I think, though, the college game, a lot of the concepts come up from the college game. And when you just look, when I watch that Oregon offense, when I watch that Michigan offense, by the way, if Sharon Moore's available, I would want to speak to him, right? Now, the thing with Sharon Moore is that if you have someone who's,

an offensive line coach, that background, how does that overlap with Jeff Stoutland? Yeah, you might need him to Sharon less. Jeff Stowland is such an important figure in that building. He just gave me an idea for a comic book character, a giraffe Stoutland. Giraff Stoutland. Are you constantly thinking of comic book characters? Not constantly, but Jane loves giraffes. I got one more name for you, by the way.

Okay. How about Coach Flynn? I mean, I think we all know that's the, that is the correct answer. Yes. Jane loves drafts? Giraffes, yes. That's what, what did I say, drafts, giraffes? I don't know, drafts or something.

Maybe you like, you know, we do drafts. Giraffes. Yeah. Giraffes. Okay, yes. Thank you. You do say that word weird. Every word did I say weird that you say, I say weird?

But I then get an email from a listener who says, you talk like we do in Philadelphia. Thank you for your representation. Yes, exactly. Like, you killed me one day for how I said Philadelphia. I don't think I've killed you. You did. I mean, you're still here. You ripped up me for how I said Philadelphia.

You ripped up me for how I said crowns. That's how people, that's how people. But I think there's some of this is Montreal infused a little bit. No, no, no. No? No. No. The wand?

Juan? One is Philadelphia. Yes. I don't know about that. Yes. Say basketball. Basketball. Yeah. You see, I say it like someone in Philadelphia. Okay. So that's, that's, every time you, you tease me. I don't think it's all, there's, there are some, there are some dialect things that are not just Philadelphia that you have. That are great. I think it's mostly Philadelphia. A matter of fact, when I moved to, uh, Sharma,

Charlottesville, Virginia. I remember I was out to eat one time, and they called me a Yankee. He said, what about your accent? You said, what accent? That's what I said, yeah. I always think at the Ed Orsier online, where I heard an LSU booster say, he's the first LSU coach in a long time, not to have an accent. My family. Meanwhile, Brian Kelly does not sound like someone who's from Louisiana, yes. Okay. Last, last topic of discussion here. is, you know, not to make a prediction without any knowledge, but what do you sort of expect this search to look like for the Eagles?

Good question, because you wonder if they made this move with someone specifically in mind or if they're casting the wide net. Like last year, you know, Nick Siriani took a lot of pride in the fact that he interviewed 20 linebackers coaches, right? Jeffrey Lurie even said something at the owner's meetings. I called him one day, and he was interviewing his 12th linebackers coach, 12. Well, I mean, I'm not knocking DJ Elliott here, but I don't know if he necessarily hit that higher out of the park, right? I imagine they're going to redo that staff.

So do you wonder, do they start from Ground Zero here, or do they have someone in mind? My guess is they already have a direction in mind that they're going. I got to think that... That would be disappointing. In that meeting last week, Nick Siriani presented ideas to Jeffrey Lurie. Right. And you also, you don't want to go in and say, keep me. I can land X.

And then you're like, well, I'm sorry, I can't land X. So I'm hiring Jim Bob Cooter. Sorry, I don't mean to make Jim Bob the butt of the joke here. It's the other side for him. So my guess is that they already have some targets in mind. but they should cast a wide net with the understanding that time is on their side at the moment, but it won't be for a long time, that they do have a two-week head start on other teams, but they're not the only team, I'm sorry, a two-week head start on where they were last year,

but there are other teams who are filling those staffs right now. And there are other teams that are finding these offensive coordinator candidates, And, like you saw, the Bears made their move yesterday for Shane Walton, who probably would be on the top of a lot of teams list. If there's a guy that you want, you need to act swiftly. So I am all for, and I believe that a good search requires you to talk to as many people. And like you said, find different ideas, and maybe that can help you get some ideas. But you don't want to miss out on someone because you want to talk to, you know, you don't want to miss out on Choice A because you want to talk to B, C, D, and E? All right.

Last last thing is we've got the press conference tomorrow with Nick Siriani and Howie Roseman. Our show will happen at some point after that. What are the things that you are most eager to hear get answered? Eager to answer? Understanding that they're not going to tell us anything truthful, basically. Yeah, I mean, I want to hear some type of plan. I don't think they're going to say we're not going to give the answers to the test. But I don't want to hear just we need to get better.

We need to work hard, right? We already know that. Like give me some type of... That's what you did in the meeting. Yeah, give me some type of substance here in terms of what they're going to do differently. Like how this can evolve. I want to hear... Accountability to me isn't just saying it's my fault.

It's saying like where you went wrong and why. And they might think that from a PR perspective you don't need to bear your soul. They probably don't think that. But it's not just getting up there and saying, responsible we need to be better. It's saying we didn't evolve last year. We thought that we could double down on things instead of adding or supplementing. So that, I mean, from Hallie Roseman, I want to hear about the roster. I want to hear some roster decisions. I want to hear if he thinks that, now this might be more of a combine question, but do they need to rethink their philosophy

on linebacker. They need to rethink their philosophy on safety. Or are they just saying some years you hit and some years you don't? Some years you have injuries and some years you don't. He won't talk about contracts, so I'm not going to hear anything about Devante Smith. But, I mean, we can devote a whole show at some point this offseason to this Devante Smith question because when you have two elite receivers, how do you, you know, are you going to pay Devante Smith more than A.J. Brown? Does Devante Smith want more than A.J. Brown, right? Like, how do you deal with that? I said the Hassan Reddick, then. I think the Devante Smith answer is easy. You pay him what he wants. You pay him what he wants. And then AJ Brown comes in and says, I'm better than him. Why is he

getting more than me? I don't think that he necessarily needs to get paid more than A.J. Brown. I don't know that that's how the contract structure is. I think the over-the-cap guy, Jason was tweeting about it the other day. But, I mean, you paid Devante Smith to keep him here. Yeah. It's fine. I mean, what's the plan with us with has on Reddit? Redick is an interesting one. Exactly. Now, I don't want to look, and you know me, I'm not just saying this. Every reporter there has their own job responsibility. I don't crap on other people's questions because they can crap on my, like everyone has. Everyone has a different job to do. What I'm hoping this press conference isn't tomorrow is tell me how great, jay.

Jason Kelsey is, right? Like, I've heard that. Yeah, I would hope that that's not. No, but I'm saying if they'll do it, they'll do their own thing for that. Don't you like, no, I imagine, you know, Jason Kelsey might retire. What does he mean to this team, right? Like, I don't want to hear that. I don't want like, I, and we've heard that enough is, is my point. That came post game. That came, you know, we had all these. Yeah, and they'll all put out statements if he retires. Exactly. So I, I don't want that. I don't want it to be what is like, yeah, Fletcher Cox and Brandon Graham and these guys. guys mean to you guys because like I already know right I want now you could say some of these questions you want to ask they're not going to answer but yeah I want to hear kind of why he's making these moves like like like like why he's moving on from Brian Johnson okay how the how they're how they're going to fix some of this like you said this play calling matter what where did they go wrong in the defense in the defense

coordinator higher last year When you were played someone after 13 games, something went wrong there. And when this was kind of framed during the season, during the season is not a chance for some of these big picture thoughts. But you kind of want to know this, right? And yeah, so these are some of the questions. And then we haven't really had a chance to talk to Hallie Roseman about the moves that he made, the roster that he assembled. What could have been better on last year's team? What did you have?

What do you think Howie will say when he's asked why it took so long? for this press conference to happen, why it took so long to announce that Nick was back? Oh, we had confidence in Nick Siriani all along. We don't need to announce that our head coach is coming back. We never have, yeah. It's a little farcical when you're firing both coordinators to act as if you didn't even consider firing the head coach. Yeah, Professor Selman had the... And we will have Professor Solomon on the show on Friday at noon, by the way.

He had a tweet yesterday that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers beat the Eagles. and then somehow beat them to the end of the season of press conferences. Yeah, it's like, and I've said this. I don't feel bad saying this on air. This is something I've said kind of behind the scenes. When you delay or don't have someone talk right away or only have someone talk in certain situations, what you invariably do is enlarge the time that they do speak.

You make it into a bigger deal than maybe, it needs to be. If Hallie Roseman and Nick Siriani talk after the season, they're fulfilling their end of season responsibilities. When it's like a week later, it's literally a breaking news on ESPN. They're holding a press conference tomorrow. It's a truism that they can't do anything normal. Yeah. So, and I say this all the time is like, if you make it so, well, these guys get bombarded, so this will talk, this player will talk to you on Thursday. And then it's like, why is everyone crowding around his locker? Well, it's because this is the only, you're not normalizing him speaking. So, So, yeah, I mean, Howie Roseman didn't speak at the deadline this year. Howie Roseman has not spoken since the cut down to 53. And, yeah, like, we want to know what was his role in Patricia. Patricia. Yeah. Which he's not going to be honest about it.

I mean, it doesn't need to be, but he's going to answer it. So, yeah. I think my two questions, my question for Howie is why do you think the defensive line underperformed relative to its investment? I like that. Does that change anything about your roster building philosophy? My question for Nick is in your search for an offensive coordinator, you've always talked about how this is your offense.

Do you still plan for it to be your offense? Or are you open to changing the definition of your offense? Both great questions. Just to get those on the record. All right. I don't know if I'll get to ask two questions, but... Yeah, that's the other thing, too, is that... It's going to be a lot of competition for that...

attention. All right, that'll do it for this episode of the P.H.L.Y. Eagles podcast. We will be back tomorrow at TBD at some point after the press conference. And then on Thursday and Friday, back at noon once again. So nice to have mostly a set schedule for the week. And then next week, I'm off to the Senior Bowl, where I'll be taking a look at some prospects, looking around for rumors, maybe getting some time with Fran Duffy, if all goes well.

That'll do it for this episode. of the PHA High Eagles podcast. Thanks everybody for listening and watching. We will talk to you tomorrow. Happy birthday, Julia. And as always, we love you.