PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | Brock Bowers, Ja’Tavion Sanders & the Philadelphia Eagles’ TE options … plus Matt Quinn of Mt. Joy!

Episode Date: April 10, 2024

We’ve had the Brock Bowers conversation, but would Texas’ Ja’Tavion Sanders make more sense for the Philadelphia Eagles in the second round of the NFL Draft? What about the options on day three for a team looking for a functional No. 2 tight end behind Dallas Goedert? Plus, Matt Quinn of Mt. Joy joins the show to talk about the Zach Ertz Foundation concert he’s performing on Friday and his true sickodom. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Back in Studio A. And from the jump, joined in studio by Matt Quinn of Mountjoy, one of the great musicians and one of the great sickos. Wow, it's true about sickos. I don't know about the great musicians thing, but thank you for that. Thank you for spending time with us. You are our tight end expert today. And I think it makes sense because on Friday,

you are going to be performing at the Zachert's Family Foundation event. Yeah, it's been a whirlwind becoming a tight end guy over the last week and a half. But yeah, I'm here for it. Well, you've got a projectable body, great hands. We know that. I think it all makes it. Yeah, old for the position. So we'll get to that guy from Arizona who's going to be like 26 as a rookie.

You and he can compete. Zach, how are you doing? I'm doing great. This is such an exciting day. They have Matt here. First time I've seen him since our airport encounter. That's right. So I'm on the screen for the show last year.

I am admittedly not a big music guy, but I do listen to Mount Joy because of the P.HLY Eagles show. It's like Bob Marley, Bob Dylan, Matt Quinn. And I was also saying Adam Sandler. I like his music. He has a Chris Farley song that I like. And he has a song that he sings about his wife and his kids that I like. Okay.

There you go. And then we were at Fletcher Cox's press conference yesterday, so excited to discuss that and always enjoy talking tight ends, right? Like that's one of the positions that I look forward to. I think it can be like a matchup nightmare often. Well, we do know you think that, you know, positionless guys. Yes. What are the positions that you don't look forward to?

That I don't look forward? Good question. Honestly, I'm not great at evaluating interior offensive linemen. I don't always know what I'm looking at there. So I watch it, but my, you know, when we have our interior offensive line show, I'm going to rely on our guest more than kind of my, I won't pound the table. Like, I really like him over him, right? But tight ends.

I feel pretty good about tight ends. And do you generally have like a bit of a tuned up affinity for people you meet in your life who have the same name as one of your brothers? No, I have a lot of brothers. So it's not, it's not abnormal. It's like 40% of the population. No, I have an affinity for like meeting real talented people, people who are someone the best at the world of what they do, right? And that's, that's what Matt is in Mount Joy. Like I, yeah, people who I trust when it comes to music speak very, very highly of Mount Joy.

I, it would be offensive to Mount Joy for me to say like, you guys are great because I don't know music. But you did just cause one of the greatest. What's that? I'm just kidding. But people who I respect who know music say that. And I enjoy listening to it. And it's awesome to have Matt in today. Matt, what, like, where have you been?

We know we've talked before about just the, like, the nomadic lifestyle that you lead sometimes. Where have you been over the past couple months? Yeah, working on some new music. We were in Los Angeles, living at an Airbnb for like six weeks. So I'm very excited to be back in my bed here in Philly. Just played a show in Jackson Hole. It was 25 degrees and snowing sideways. So it feels pretty good here.

Gloves on. No, my finger is. I said to the crowd, my fingers were like frozen mozzarella sticks. It was just completely useless guitar action, but it was a good time. It's a good line, frozen mozzarella sticks. I don't know where that came from. I should borrow that when they play a cold game in MetLife Stadium one day. Well, it's not going to be Green Bay, which we can talk about in a minute as well.

When you're staying at an Airbnb for six weeks, what are, like, what do you miss the most? And what drives you crazy the most? Honestly, our couch. because this was like an Airbnb that was like it was like kind of a pig with lipstick situation where it looked really nice in the pictures but they had obviously gutted their house to like allow people to rent it out

and they just had like the lowest common denominator couch bed whatever else and like you couldn't sit on that couch you know like you just like you couldn't sink in because these chairs oh you know I'll open up the door a little bit a little bit too deep you can't like if I'm going all the way back here you know is it was it a was it

They're built for Fletcher Cox. Was it a depth situation or like just a straight comfort? Honestly, I wish it were as comfortable as this chair kind of thing. It lacked depth in a crucial way where like you want to be able to lounge on the couch. This was like you were like, you know, you were like waiting for the doctor to bring you in kind of situation. Okay. Yeah, it was really tough. And there were like magazines that were three years old.

Yeah, like an arcade game that didn't quite work. Yeah, exactly. That's perfect. I'm sorry, what was your question? Well, there's a lot of things we'll get to. First off, have you ever performed in Sao Powell, Brazil? You know, I haven't, but my wife is Brazilian. Oh, wow.

And we are very excited. And the one team we were hoping for selfishly, our manager, a Mountjoy's manager, is an enormous, he's from Wisconsin's an enormous Packers fan. Wow. So it came down to Brown's Packers, and it seemed like people were kind of saying Browns, I felt like. It seemed like that.

So I felt like, oh, it's not going to work out because I was trying to rope him into coming down with us, but we're going to go. Are you? Okay. So, you know, it's an opportunity for my wife to get to Brazil and to see the Eagles. And we've, like, slowly started sewing the Eagles fandom into the Brazilians down there. And now it's an opportunity to hopefully get them out there. Where is she from in Brazil? So she's from, like, extreme southern Brazil on the border of Argentina, like, as far away from Sao Paulo as maybe you could.

Okay. Maybe you could be. But, you know, it's not too hard to. actually her house is like an eight-hour drive from the nearest airport to give you an idea. Okay. So, but maybe we'll get some people up there and get to the game. Well, yeah, we're going to need some tips on Portuguese. Yeah.

If we can get that. So that's the news today. It came out this morning that the Eagles are playing the Green Bay Packers there. It had been rumored like Matt said. There goes Michael Dun & the Thong. Yeah, Green Bay or Cleveland. It is Green Bay. So Jordan Love versus Jalen Hertz.

Love hurts, as I was saying. in the break room there. And big, first time these two teams, first time, this way to sell it. First time these two teams are kicking off to open the season since 2010. So looking forward to, we'll get into that.

And then also you, the way you were saying that, it's like, oh, looking forward to the quarterback suffering a concussion. I'm not saying that. Not saying that. And then as you mentioned at the top of the show, on Friday night,

Matt's performing. at the Earth's Family Foundation special concerts at Brooklyn Bowl. Is that correct? I'm going to be there. You're going to be that. I would be there. I'm coaching my son's football team. I heard about the loss comes first.

Otherwise I would. But I will give a shout out here on the show to the Earth's Family Foundation. The Earth's Family Foundation, they have the House of Hope that way. Yeah, it's in like. Isn't it sort of that way? It's in the Northwest section of Philly. I got the North Correct. Okay.

coming out. We're still on these. And so, uh, so, uh, yeah, they've,

they've done a, a great thing. I was, I was there actually when they had their ribbon cutting, uh, ceremony and, and they created, um,

uh, really a, a place for people in, in that community to, uh, to, um, have a,

a resource after school programs, be together. Um, it's, it's a cool thing they're, they're doing. And, uh,

I know Zach and his family, Julie and his, and his mother, Lisa are doing a lot of great things in the Philadelphia area still. So it's an awesome night that you're doing that, Matt. I'm stoked to be a part of it. We were talking about a little bit. How different is this for you than like just a regular Mount Joy show?

That'll be a little bit more nerve-wracking? Yeah, for sure. Well, first of all, I'm an enormous Eagles, all Philly sports fan, but enormous Eagles fan, obviously a huge fan of Zach Ertz. And so that makes it a little more nerve-wracking. And then also, yeah, it's like playing to a Mount Joy, crowd is a pretty soft landing just playing the songs that people know but i don't really know exactly what the client you know the who the fans will be and how much they'll know my music so um

we'll see what can uh you know i'm gonna go with my wife what can we do to like judge up the crowd like what can we do to get everybody going it honestly it really depends on the event like sometimes i feel like if it's like you're playing and it's sort of like uh because we've done some like private events and things like that and it's like you're playing and it's kind of like you're in the background you almost just want to be you want to stay in the background yeah you just kind of like kind of keep it wrong you don't try to wrangle people in but where it's at it's worse is where you get the half and half of that sure it's like there are people really paying attention and then there's like the other half of the venue is like not facing you and they're you know just having a good time so then you're

trying to like you get the shushers you know you get the like people who can't hear so they're shushing and it just become you become this like divisive figure in the room But hey, it's going to be fun no matter what. But I don't know. Sometimes you do need it. I was going to say no shushers, but sometimes you need a shusher. Okay. I'm willing to be a shusher.

I don't think you want to be the shusher. You're too public facing. Oh, yeah. I don't know about that. You're like, that's, oh. Now there's a good question in the chat because there was the clip that went around. You jamming with Nick Nurse. How did that come about?

How did it go? Oh, yeah. It came about because, Nick Nurse is friendly with a guy named Max, who is in a band called the Arkells from his Toronto days. They're a Canadian band that's like enormous in Canada. What does that mean, by the way, enormously Canada? No, enormous in Canada.

I think they're both enormously Canada. And, to be clear. Every song begins with an apology and ends with A. Okay. I'm sorry to interrupt. Sorry, Max. And every song is exceedingly nice. Yeah, exceedingly nice.

He is exceedingly nice, Max, and a great musician. And he was coming down here to visit Nick, I guess, and was like, hey, would you want to come, like, jam some covers at Nick Nurse's house? Yeah. And so we did. And there was like, and, you know, he was set up, I guess they had the night off. And he sat down at piano and he's an awesome musician and a really cool guy and just cool. just cool taste in music and just played covers in his living room in his house for a few hours. And, yeah, he's awesome.

I can say, like, I've never met any other Philly sports coaches, but the vibe is, like, he's cool dude, and he seems to be a really good basketball coach, which is, like, I think we've got a good one. I like that. How does, like, an evening like that end? That's a really good question. How does it end? It's an encore.

Nick's like, okay, I'm done. Well, he had some tape. Kind of. He had a good out, which was that we, you know, on the TV, there was a like a West Coast game, I think. Okay. And at the conclusion of that, or maybe it was at the conclusion of the East Coast game, there was kind of like a timer on the TV, you know, as a game. And that was actually Wemby.

It was kind of cool to watch him. I think it was Bucks, Spurs before Adrian Griffin got fired. And Adrian Griffin, of course, is a, I think was on Nick Nurse's staff. Yeah, right. So he was watching it very intently, and there was like an out of bounds, like after timeout situation. Like I got to watch him be like, ah, you know, he's trying. You know, that's fun.

That was cool. And then when the game ended, it was kind of like, okay, let the guy go to bed, you know. Okay. I like that. Before we get going with the rest of the show, let's talk about some of our sponsors. If I can pull it up here with the way too many tabs that I have, we're starting. We've ever seen that many tabs with our friends. It's a serious amount of times, but I'm actually guilty of this as well.

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That's trumark.com slash phly, federally insured by the NCL-E. I want a couple things on the Packers in Brazil. Yeah. For one, like a slight downgrade for the Eagles that they don't get to play, as somebody mentions in the chat, like an NFC contender at home. It's a neutral field, probably not a thing that like the business side is happy about, that they lose the revenue of a Packers home game. But also we've sort of been like hinting at this.

There's this situation in Sao Paulo where the stadium they're playing in, like the team hates the like their their number one rival wears green right and it's like a serious deal you do not wear green around that stadium and now they've got two teams whose fans are going to be all wearing green like it's like the league and the teams are like a little bit worried about this as a security issue and now they pick the packers to go play there it's kind of weird yeah that was actually one of the first things i thought about when i saw it was the packers i'm curious to see what the color combinations are on the field but in addition of that, like we were texting about it, fans in the stands, and not just fans in the stands, fans around town. Yeah, that's what I would be more worried about. Yeah, like if you're going to the game, you're probably aware of the two team colors, but if you're just walking around South Palo and you got Eagles green or you got Packers Green on, it is something to think about, and I imagine there will be more coming out about this as it leads up to the game. When you brought that to my attention a few months ago, I was like, this is, this is interesting. I'm curious to

see. As far as the other part, I keep hearing that, like, you know, teams want to preserve the Packers game. The Eagles sell out all their games anyways. It's not as if, you know, it's not like your, the Rams or the Chargers and you want those green, or the Green Bay fans are buying the tickets. Like, a matter of fact, I think in Philly, you don't want, you know, Packers fans traveling to your stadium. That said, from a competitive perspective, like, like you want the home field advantage against the team, like the Packers. So I imagine that's not ideal, but from a league perspective, it's a marginal thing. Yeah. From a league perspective, this is, this is cool. And I guess the other thing, too, is if you're talking about you're giving up a home game, you want the neutral site venue to be very, like, or as pro Eagles as it can be, Packers fans. That's what you're, you're taking care of that.

But Packers fans travel. Like, so you're going to see, you're going to see cheeseheads. You're going to see cheese steaks? And it'll be a, it'll be a fun atmosphere. You think you're going to see lots of cheese steaks? I was trying to play the cheese on the cheese. Is it cliche to go to a Brazilian steakhouse in Brazil? Because I like Brazilian steakhouse. I feel like that's a question for Matt. I'm not an expert on Brazil.

Okay. And I've never been to San Paa actually, but no, I don't think so. Okay, because I love the Brazilian steakhouses where you have the red or the green. The authentic Brazilian experience. The authentic Brazilian experience. That's right. That's right. Yes.

Let's talk a little bit about the Fletcher Cox press conference yesterday, Zach. What were your, you know, we raced over. We got there just a couple minutes late, which was too bad. Unfortunately, they started on time, which. I hate being late. I had an expression in college that the dean of our school used to say. Well, then it wasn't yours. No, that, okay.

There's an expression that the dean of the school used to say that I've since repeated. Okay. Which is better never than late, meaning like, you know, if you're going to be late, don't bother showing up, right? So, but I had a good reason. I was coming from the show that Fletcher Cox is a part of. Yes. I thought it was nice that he thanked his teammates and then sort of winked at us. No, so in all earnestness, I thought it was cool.

You know, when I walked in, I saw like his entire family there, right? Not just, not just like his immediate family. Like he brought a lot of people from Mississippi. And he says, he said that these were the ones who were. there when he came into the league. Yeah. He wanted them there when he got out. I thought that was a cool touch.

Him talking about, and he's mentioned this before, but the role Philadelphia has played in his life, like when he came here and I don't want to be a, I don't want to keep echoing this or repeating this. I've been to Yazoo City. It's quite different than Philadelphia. And he's said like he was 21 years old when he came here. it is world's apart and he had to he he said his mom said you're not coming back so you got to figure it out and and he and he did that i thought you asked uh you know he you asked a good question he's

spoken i i hesitate saying good like it was a poignant question i mean you never want to like um it's it's sad when you speak about the death of your brother right but he had mentioned that the connection he had with with with with eric brunette who also uh lost a brother during his time with the team and um and this this bond that that they have and fletcher says like people say you'll get over it you never get over it or like people say you you you learn to you know you you never learn to live with it um but um and then and then you asked him what chadricks his brother would think on that day and i thought he gave a real poignant answer to that so yeah i think fletcher deserved that it was it was it was more fletcher's personality he he didn't have the one hour even joke like if you expect me to

do one hour i'm not going to do that right um it was it was kind of more to the point but uh you know, he expressed appreciation for a lot of people behind the scenes and even went to the cafeteria afterwards. I saw the clip that the Eagles put out. He said he's going to be back for the wings. So, yeah, good for Fletcher. What are your like big Fletcher Cox memories, Matt? Oh, gosh. I don't know. I feel like more broadly just like there was a stretch there where he was the best player on our team. I feel like for probably five years or so. I think that's right.

Certainly the Super Bowl team. Yeah. And like I think for me, like sort of learning football, growing up watching him be the best player, I think it, you know, probably an entire generation of Eagles fans will look at the defensive line differently than probably a lot of other sort of casual NFL fans.

I think that's definitely his legacy here is kind of putting defensive tackle on the map as like a position of huge import here. Yeah, I feel like if it's like the log line, of his legacy, I think it's easy to just say he was the best player on the most important team in franchise history, right? Exactly. That's a pretty good one. And he was also here for a very long time. Do you think he's got a, you know, he sort of smiles about the Hall of Fame chance. Do you think there's a shot? I, it's always hard for me to say because, I'll put it this way.

He has a shot. He was on the All Decades team. And if you're on the All Decades team, you have a chance for being in the Hall of Fame because by definition, you're one of the best. players of your era. There have been a lot of really good defense alignment here. Fletcher, you can't necessarily measure it by statistics, right? He only had one double-digit sack season. There are other defensive tackles who have, you know, kind of more statistics. But if you say, all right, for this period of time that he played, was he one of the best players in the league, the answer is yes. Like the all decades team showed that. So he's going to have stiff competition. It's hard to get in. The pro football.

Hall of Fame is much harder to get into than like the basketball hall fame for instance. Yeah, I mean, you or I could probably get into the basketball Hall of Fame. But maybe you, not me. I don't shoot. So, but it's like the easiest Hall of Fame. Yeah, but the Pro Football Hall of Fame, it's like it's capped each year, right? And so you have, you don't make it one year. Then there's all these other qualified people that come the next year.

So it's not based on, and you know, like the baseball hall of fame is based on a percentage of votes, right? Right. And it's only five and it has to be five. Exactly. And so it's hard to get into the pro football Hall of Fame. But I'll put it this way. When they have the discussions, Fletcher Cox's name will come up in discussion for sure.

Yeah. I think realistically it would probably be the kind of thing that would probably happen like much further down the line. Sure. Yes. Yeah, maybe with a broader context of the detackles from this area. And the last thing I'll add to is it's rare in this game.

Like people, players say this. A, to go out on your terms and B to go out like when you will. There's a lot of people who they retire because no one wants them anymore, right? Fletcher Cox, as you mentioned, he might have been the best player on the defense last year.

He could have kept playing. He said he's given all to the game and the game's given a lot to him. But the other part is it was meaningful for him to retire with the Eagles, right? Like he could have played two, three more years somewhere else if he wanted to. He probably could have played here too

and done a brand-ang-gray. Graham thing. I think it was important for Fletcher Cox to retire being Fletcher Cox as opposed to I can't see him playing. And this isn't a shot of Brandon Graham. As opposed to changing his name and retiring being Colin Jenkins? This isn't a shot at Brandon Graham. Brandon Graham's awesome. Brandon Graham's a different type of personality. And Brandon Graham wasn't always like the best player on the team. I can't see

Fletcher Cox being like your rotational detackle playing 10, 12 snaps a game. I can only kind of see him. I agree with that. Well, I also think this is like the, you know, he has talked about. He is not like, you know, he doesn't go home on the by week and he's watching football all day long. Like football is not his be all and all. And I also think there's like an ego to it in a good way where he sees himself as that level of player. It might be harder for him to accept not being that level of player. Yeah. And that's the point I was trying to, like he left on his terms at the time he wanted to leave. And he just said, felt right. And I think that's, that's, that's why because in his eyes and in the eyes of everyone

watching, he's Fletcher Cox. And he wants to, I think he wants that to be the lasting memory. All right. You're ready to talk tight ends? Always. All right. Matt, you've been, you've been crushing tape. Yeah, grinding it. Grinding it. You know, we, we texted last night about it. And you're checking out these, these YouTube videos. Let's talk about the guy who everybody wants to talk about at the top. Brock Bowers, if you are an Eagles fan and you, and you're, and you're tuning in on draft night and the Eagles trade up, you know, four spots or something like that to take Brock Bowers. What's your reaction? I mean, I think I'd be pretty pumped. Just on the fandom level, I know there's like the team building concern and whether that's a good use of draft

resources. Sure. A debate here, but he seems pretty good. I think he, and this is an opinion that doesn't matter, but I think he's, he looks small on YouTube. I agree with you. Maybe it's just the frame of the YouTube video. Maybe in real life. he's much bigger, but he looks small. He looks a little bit small on the field. I imagine he's going to be very good, and this will end up being a poor take. But if there's anything, because everyone's just like sort of drooling over the guy, I think if there's anything that stops him from being an elite tight end,

it's that he looks a little small. He is by the numbers, you know, like a 23rd percentile height, 12th percentile weight for the tight end position. It is part of why I find the framing of him as a, you know, generational prospect a little bit odd. Like, you know, Kyle Pitts was different in that capacity, right? I mean, he's really fun to watch. Yeah.

But I think you would be fooling yourself if you have any, like, real level of certainty that he's going to be definitely the best tight end from this draft class. Like, I'm not sure that Jutavian Sanders won't be a better tight end in the NFL than him. Or, I mean, I would take the field of the class over Brock Bowers. Yeah, I mean, I think, oh, I would not actually. I would take Brock Bowers over the field. But the numbers would suggest that is the wrong thing to do. I haven't fleshed out this take here.

But it might not be hyperboid to suggest that he's the best tight end in college football history in terms of like. In terms of production. Yeah, production. Like three time all, like first team all American all three years. Unanimous like two national championships. the top receiver on two national championship teams. He's like the Nicobe Dean of tight ends. Nicoby Dean wasn't the best linebacker in college football history.

I hear what you're saying about the size. That's an astute observation. He's not a physical freak. What he is, though, is just so productive, good at everything you look for in a tight end for the most part. And I'm not saying spend like the number one overall pick on him. I'm saying that if he's, I'm not even saying trade up the number 10. I'm saying if he's there in the teens and I stand by this.

If there's anyone in this draft, do I say like this guy will be the best player at his position in the league, it's Brock Bowers. Marvin Harrison Jr. might be close. But Brock Bowers, I think you could say he has the highest likelihood of being the best tight end in the league. I just think that we, can have this guy, we sort of have this conversation every year.

Do we? Did you say it about Dalton Kincaid last year? No, but like, did you say that. But I think I probably did say that about Dalton Kincaid. Like there, history tells you, we can go back through the drafts. Like how often is the first tight end off the board, the best tight end from that draft class? Not very often. That's just the truth.

That's what the history is. But there are outliers in history, right? Like, like how often do you talk about the first? You draft the team, keep drafting outliers. All of a sudden you got a team full of outliers. Exceptions. It's not as well. Yeah, I think, I mean, off the top of my head,

the types of tight ends that have been talked about in this vein, Kyle Pitts, Vernon Davis, it's about it. I mean, not even Eric Ebron, who was a top 10 pick. All big guys, though. What's that? All big, big strong power for men. I hear you there. And also, Kyle Pitts was not worth that pick.

Okay. I mean, after year one, you would have said... I would not. After year one, he was still taken ahead of Jamar Chase. Yeah, but... And Penae Sewell. Okay. Yeah, I mean, I would have always taken Penae Soule.

But I'm saying after year one, like his year one was better than Devante Smith's year one. Okay. And if Devante Smith was the fourth pick in the draft, you would have said that, I mean, that's a good pick, wouldn't you? Well, I mean, if they had taken him one spot ahead of Jamar Chase, I might not have said the same thing. I love Zach getting grilled for defending the consensus number one overall time. Yes, thank you. Thank you. This is kind of, I appreciate the logical thinking applied to the show.

Yes. But it's true. I will say one other observation about Brock Bowers. I wondered about the NFL thing is, and this is from YouTube highlights, I didn't watch a lot of Georgia, but it seems like he got a lot of opportunities that he won't get like jet sweeps and things like that. Like I'm not sure we're jet sweeping with Brock Bowers in the NFL. like right um it's like it's fun to watch but yeah how translatable is that i mean it means that he's really good in the open field right right and there's a reason they wanted to do that i'm sure georgia

has other athletes that'd be awesome for a jet sweep but the fact that he was getting those opportunities probably speak to his athleticism thank you yes but i i was watching that being like is he going to outrun like linebackers and safeties to the edge like i just some of it is like he seems like he could be a a tim tibo type like amazing college athlete that like my language that really, that really like, not, this is a horrible take, because I actually like Brock Bowers. And now I'm just getting sucked into the anti-Brock Bowers. It's a little bit. But you can see how it happens, right?

You have to say something. Yeah. And you find yourself going down the path. Yes. And all of a sudden, you just kind of keep going more and more. Just on a hill that you have to die on. Yeah. Welcome to the show.

All right. Awesome. Well, I actually like Brock Bowers, but I do think there's a world in which you're right, that he doesn't get those types of opportunities. And then as like a downfield tight end, he looks pretty. awesome too, but a little undersized and maybe, I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I think it matters that on what was the best team in college football over the course of his career, he was the most important offensive option. Yeah, like that matters.

But I also think that like if you watch some of his biggest plays, it's like he's wide open. And part of that is because he's on such a good team and like the scheme is really good and the other weapons are really good. that might not be as translatable. I don't know. I mean, he, that might have been the same thing I brought this up the other day. I would have said about Joe Burrow throwing to, you know, Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson.

He came in with, it might not be the case. Yeah, with like Darnell Washington. And Darnall Washington couldn't get on the field over, over Brock Bowers. George Pickens was on his team. He was the top receiver.

Yeah, I think that matters. A.D. Mitchell was on his team. He was the top receiver. Jeremiah Burton was on his team. He was the top of, like, Brock Bowers, the Georgia staff was basically like let's find ways to get Brock Bowers the ball. There's there's there's so I mean he was an academic All-American by the way.

Yeah. All that wine he was drinking in Napa didn't affect his grades. I mean, I know he was from Napa. I don't know how much wine he drank. I just think that again, I don't, I appreciate Matt saying that. Like I don't know how I'm being paid in the corner. are I defending Brock Bowers? I would say...

Well, I think it's more about... It's about the degree of certainty and also, like, for the Eagle specifically, do you think it would be worth a first-round pick? I do not. I mean, I would rather an offensive tackle because I think there's a really good offensive tackles in this draft.

But I think if you said to me, who has a better chance of being a... a first team all pro, Brock Bowers or Fultanu from Washington, I would say Brock Bowers. And if your operating principle is like, how can we get blue chip players, Brock Bowers has a chance of being a blue chip player for you,

a better chance, I think, than Troy Fultano. Okay. Now, if you hit a tackle, it's better than hitting a tight end. But I've seen the Kansas City Chiefs win multiple Super Bowls where their number one receiver was their tight end. Who they drafted in the third round?

Yeah, but so you're saying just because you can get Travis Kelsey in the third round and wait till the third round? No, I'm just, but I'm, there is not a great history of those first round tight ends. That's all. So then, but based on that logic, like Jason Peters was on drafted, so why don't you just sign a bunch of like, because the actual history of offensive tackles is not that.

I hear what you're saying. My point is like evaluate the player. And the player to me is really darn good. it's going to be interesting when like you introduce yourself to Zach so you guys meet each other and then you're come firing out like tell me tell me about Brock about that's exactly uh okay the consensus number two guy who you've been a little bit all over in in some of these mock drafts for the eagles jatavian sanders from texas jatavian sanders was pretty productive during his time at texas came out early and i'll tell you what

I like, I kind of like him almost as much, if not more, probably not more, but for the value. I do. Great in the open field. What do you like about him? Yeah, so I was actually surprised by the athletic testing at the combine because when you watch him, you say, like, this guy's a receiver in a tight end's body.

And makes, like, he makes a lot of catches, yards after the catch, does a lot of that. And then... About the same size as Bowers, to be fair. Yeah, did not run especially well. His spark score, I don't know how much you pay attention to the spark score, but it didn't stand out. That said, I really liked him.

In the first Monk draft, I did, I had him as a second round tight end, and that was more when I was just kind of going based on what I saw in college. And he played on an offense with Xavier Worthy and A.D. Mitchell, and he was really good for two years there. And I think he has a lot of development ahead of him. But I think this is a guy where if you're saying, can you find a high-end starter? I think Josh Sanders can be a high-end starter.

There aren't that many tight ends in this draft, who I think can be high-end starters. Frankly, I think it ends after Josh Sanders. But if you said to me, like, all right, we want a tight end. We're not taking Brock Bowers in round one, but we're thinking Josh Sanders in round two, I would say, yeah, that's certainly possible

because I can see him being a productive player for you. Yeah, I think I would, And Tracer says this in the chat. I would rather have J.T. Sanders with the second pick in the second round than Brock Bowers in 22. I would rather have offensive tackle in round one when Josh Sanders in round two than Brock Bowers in round one and pick your tackle in round two. Like, so if you're kind of doing the package deals, I would far rather that. You got a super chat from Danilo who's who was, I mean, he must have just won the lottery

because he was just shelling it out over the past 48 hours. He says, Snappy Z-B is the best E-B. I approve. Snappy in what regard. You're going to make him pay another super chat just to answer your question. I appreciate that. In the Joss Sanders film you watched, Matt, what jumped out? Honestly, the Joss Sanders film that I watched was around midnight.

Last night, I watched a 25-minute just breakdown of all these guys. And I'm going to be lying to you if I remember. specifically a lot about Josh Sanders, but athletic guy, right? Young. Yes. You speak in my language. Yes. I don't know.

What's his? Boy likes his young tight ends. Yes. I do feel like the Eagles specifically like part of what I was saying about Brock Byers to the Eagles is like they are, they like to run the ball. I think having a tight end that's like a useful blocker, especially like they're going to, I don't know, I just got to say Juan Barkley. I can picture them wanting to run the ball quite a bit.

quarterback can run it a little bit like I want a guy that is at least like a projectable blocker I don't know that Brock Byr's isn't that I don't know about this guy but I think if you're going in the second round you got Goddard in the second round yeah that hurts in the second round I think that's a high price to pay for a tight end as well so like it better be a guy that projects to be a one actually right yeah I agree with that and in theory projects to be as good or better than Dallas Goddard right because you you know you don't want to go backwards at tight end having drafted someone in the second round so i don't know the the guy i was watching on youtube didn't seem very excited about this guy so i feel like in general his it seemed like this

tight end class is is doesn't really have a lot of those one type guys i think you were saying that and and at that point i'm planning to roll with goddard and whoever you can get maybe maybe there's someone out there i don't know about free agency or whatever but that you can get as a good second tight end and and maybe punt this to next year well it's interesting because because the Eagles have had actually had a good amount of success with like undrafted tight ends as Yeah, depth guys, you know from Trey Burton to Jack Stoll along the way. Howie has only used four picks in all those 12 drafts on tight ends the two second round guys we talked about Clay Harbor your boy in the fourth and then Grand Calcutera and the six so if you're looking for like whatever thread there is it's only four people

But I do think worth noting that like the one spot where he doesn't seem to care about like Power 5 pedigree, right? Because you have Clay Harbor and Goddard and even Calcuttaire at SMU is a little bit different. So I don't know that it matters in this class, but just from Howie's history, not a ton to take. Yeah, and look, you give him credit in that he's hit on two second round tight ends. And that would speak to your point about when you take a tight end, right?

Like there have been years when first round tight ends go. And I think, you know, last year Dalton Kincaid, T.J. Hawkinson was the first, I mean, we can go on. O.J. Howard is probably an example of a guy who I really liked and did not pan out. So I will wear that one. But I think that, yeah, I mean, there's not much of a track record there. And part of it is because he hit on two picks that were your answers at that position. And tight end, for as much as we talk about 12 personnel, you kind of look at it like,

all right, the second tight end for you is a guy you can get on the undrafted market or late in the draft. If you're drafting a tight end, you kind of wanted to be someone who can eventually be a starter. Yeah, and I think, you know, as you have said over the course of the off season, this is the age when the Eagles drafted Ertz behind Seleck

and when the drafted Garner behind Ertz. So it is something that is at least on Howie's mind. So let me ask you guys about, I don't mean to jump in. I think a player who gets buzzed locally, and we're speaking about Canadians, is Theo Johnson from Penn State. What was the name of that band?

The Arkels. The Arkels. He probably knows the Arkels if he's from Canada. I feel like that's a good bet. They're number one hit. I'm sorry I spilled the maple syrup. It's a generalization of Al Canada? Okay.

Yeah, Theo Johnson, who Dane Bruehler has as his third tight end. The Beast is out today, by the way. Dane's a friend of ours does an awesome job. But if you're talking about kind of like the Madden-type tight end, 6-6-259, 45740, right? So has that size, has that... Why are these guys always at Penn State? Well, they have a type.

James Franklin knows what he's... I guess so. Yeah, he's from Windsor, Ontario. I've been to Windsor. And? I want a few dollars there. Oh. Yeah, I was covering the NCAA tournament in Buffalo.

This was when my second year out of college and had a night free and wanted to play a little blackjack and so I drove across the the bridge to Windsor I'm thinking yeah yeah that's that's correct drove across the bridge to Windsor

won pretty quickly left smart move yeah made a a a the wrong turn and was and this was back in the days like you had Garmin in your car.

Pre like on your phone. Yeah. And it didn't work in Canada. So I had the kind of like the signal didn't work there or something like that. So anyways, I make the wrong turn and I pull up and I get the most beautiful view of Niagara Falls just by accident. And I'm like, this is my lucky night. And then found my way back, went across the, I don't mean the deviate here. It was actually a funny story.

you go to border patrol or you go to the border and they look at your passport and they're like you were here for 58 minutes and I'm like yeah I had a really good shoot and I left and I think they were a little suspicious why I crossed the border for 58 minutes so anyways that gambling assassin yeah that that's that's my um Windsor story you had a bag of insomnia cookies in the front seat I can only wish okay can only wish but yeah wow So what's your take on Theo Johnson? Well, no, I'm curious, you're guys, they don't give mine. I was a little bit underwhelmed.

I like the idea of Theo Johnson. I think our friend Daniel Gallen is a Theo Johnson fan. I watched him at the senior ball and was just like a, I didn't see the athleticism play out necessarily nor on the highlights. But if you're talking like, if they acquired a late third round pick or an early fourth round pick, I could see doing worse. but I'm not like pounded on the table for Theo Johnson.

Is he the Albert O comp? You know, he might be, and that's what I was honestly thinking is like there's been this mystery of Albert O and the Eagles love for Alberto O is sort of mysterious, but maybe they've had these types of conversations and they've decided that it's not a great tight end class and it's worth sort of holding the Albert O stock

to see, because they like him just as much as any of these prospects. I mean, I don't know, I also, but I could, I don't know, it just feels like after 25 minutes of research. Yeah. It feels like, it doesn't feel like there's a lot of exciting guys. Almost the extent to which Brock Bowers is built up

feels like a result of the fact that there's really no one else. Sure. I think that's fair. I do like there are guys here who I think can play roles and we'll get to some of them. But I mean, yeah, if you're talking like an eventual goddett replacement, this is not a deep class.

Yeah. So my view on Theo Johnson is, is that if you're just looking at kind of like the long-term upside, he would jump out to me for late, you know, they don't have a late day two pick. But let's say day three, he's still on the board. He has tools you can project, right? I talked about the size speed combination. Doesn't have the consistent production when he's at Penn State.

That concerns you a bit. But if you're saying, all right, who here has a ceiling beyond the top guys? I would say Theo Johnson. Well, because he's tall and he can jump. Got a high ceiling. Pretty, I'm pretty jealous of both those characteristics. Danilo is back and he says, do you guys think that it's likely that Goddard is not with a team next season? By the way, Danilo, I appreciate this, man.

Yeah, yeah, I appreciate you. It's actually Melinda Gates. That's a good reference. Do you guys think it's, I think Goddard's back next season. I'm not convinced the season. So if you're talking about like, we're at a point where this season, next season, it's kind of like, this weekend. He's talking about

2025. Oh, 2025. Oh, yeah. I think there's a chance that's Goddard's not back in 2025 for sure.

Yeah. I would say, especially if they draft a tight end early this year, or even if they don't, the way Goddard's contract structure,

the way, you know, when you look at his age, he's coming off a year, like, it wasn't just the injuries last year. He was his lowest

yards per, uh, per game since 2020. All right? So even the game, games he did play, he was not as, as productive. So yeah, I certainly think that's plausible. Well, Danilo, something tells me he's coming to some money recently, and I'm betting that maybe that's because he's been using Rocket Money and they're saving him money because

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That's a good question. Maybe, like, deep in my subconscious. I don't know. I was actually looking around. There's this Gumby Allen Iverson thing, which is like, there's got to be a backstory to that, but maybe not. I'll be on FOCO. Probably a FOCO deal. Yeah.

What is actually disconcerting is sometimes Bill Mats will wear the underdog mask and it's sometimes not put back. And so what will happen, I'll show you. Let's just do it. Wow. Look at this. I think it's the most movement ever on PHLY. Yes, that's true. It will just be in the background

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Sucking them back with your friends Is what that's about that That little red person there So that's fun Yeah All right, day three guys What do you like, Zach? Who's on your radar?

Yeah, so Jared Wiley from TCU stands out to me now a Texas transfer by the way went to TCU like to I mean you're talking 6-7 2-250 thereabouts I got to pull up the exact number I think that he's to Matt's point

he can block I think he can go up and get the ball I'm not saying he's gonna be a spectacular player but he's the day three tight end that stands out to me the Eagles have looked at in that program before I thought he did a good job in Sunny Dikes's system then there are some kind of sunny Dikes sounds too much like a basketball coach

he was actually a college baseball player interesting yeah his dad's a famous coach famous football coach yeah sunny decks is it's basketball to make that's what it sounds like he was uh I believe

Nick Foles is uh offensive coordinator at Arizona I feel like watching you pull these things sorry it's like I feel like I'm on the set of a beautiful mind or something like that thank you that's nice you to say he's like Nick Siriani so uh you know

I Nick Fills's dad was a restaurant tour I was I was talking to Matt before about Jahi and Bell from Florida State who's who's really just kind of He's the guy you liked. Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's funny because I was I was knocking Bowers for being small. I feel like he's also small right he is he's more like a wide receiver. Yeah There's a player that actually he's actually a wide receiver and at the combine he was asked about moving the tight end and he said no But that's Johnny Wilson also a very made up name but yeah So he's he just had him in for a visit yeah if if if you if you've had him in for a visit yeah if if if you

If you're playing Madden and you draft Johnny Wilson or you have Johnny Wilson on your team, you would move him the tight end and he would go up from like a 73 to and 82 over. This is a Hakeem Butler type guy. Yes, exactly. So maybe if you're, you know, how he likes looking for those types, maybe there's. He is obsessed with it. Yeah, maybe there's like a conversion possibility there. And then the last one I'll mention before we got the thoughts from you guys.

You were at the senior bowl, Ben Sinit, had a good week there. and I liked what he did last year at K State. Yeah, he's my guy from this group. Solid production, like the age profile, good yards per catch. Tested very well. And you watch his film and there's like he's running a diverse route tree, catching balls in different parts of the field, running guys over. There's a fun game against Iowa State when it's like all snow on the field

and you can just you squint and you see the Brent Selleck in him. Played a little bit of fullback. I am all about Ben Selleck. send it as like he's probably my third favorite guy in the class walk on yeah look at that it's like a beautiful mind over here exactly i love that yeah walk on uh there's a now there's a guy from arizona who uh i was joking about ahead ahead of the show who i think played at like colorado pueblo or something like that for like four years and then walked on at arizona uh Tanner mclaughlin and he's going to be like 25 or 26 as a rookie okay okay

Little Denny Watkins-ish. But I got to tell you, I kind of liked him. He's like a big, big, big, strong, powerful dude, you know, maybe a seventh round or undrafted. Throw a flyer on that guy. I don't mind that. And then, I mean... What do you think of Kate Stover? I mean, I was underwhelmed.

Because he's someone who, you know, there is some buzz about him. Like, he was good at Ohio State, but there's thoughts that he could be better in time because he played some linebacker. Exactly. Yeah, he was a good recruit coming out. There is some buzz about Kate Stover. I certainly know that to be the case. And then I said Eric Ali, is Eric All? It's all.

It's all. Okay, Eric All. Yes, you're correct. Eric All. Eric All. I've never seen that as a last name before. Who I, I recall him at Michigan.

He actually had a good year back in 2021. He's dealt with a lot of injury things. Injury things. He's dealt with a lot of injuries. Otherwise, no, his injury things. People around him. I've been getting injured like crazy. That's the Andrew Sendejo.

He's always having to drive people to the hospital. It's very time consuming. Thank you. You miss his games. Eric Al is, yeah, so Hardball, look, Jim Harbaugh knows tight ends. And he had Eric all playing meaningful snaps for him, was a real productive player at Michigan.

I think there are some teams that might not have him medically cleared or that might, I shouldn't say that. There were some teams that will have a medical red flag on him. There's a neck injury there. But he's someone who, when you just say, all right, who can be a good player from this group if everything is okay health-wise? And I think Eric Al. He's got some making-miss ability in the open field, I thought. And then my last guy, Tip Raymond from Illinois, who I do not really necessarily care about, like, blocking technique from a tight-end prospect.

Like, I feel like that's a thing that you can learn as long as you've got the willingness. and he is not a productive receiver. But if you're looking for like a seventh round Jack stole replacement, he is a mountain of a man. 65-271 can move a little bit and I think would fill that role. So what's your view? Do you think they drafted tight end this year?

I think they do. Interesting, okay. But I think probably more likely on day three. And what would your reaction be if they traded for Donald Parham on day three? What's our Donald Parham thing? Like that was the trade that I would make Oh yes that's your that's your bit

That's the most random Parham watch yeah See I forget all the bits Yeah What are we on like day 14 of Parham watch Yeah hasn't happened yet My reaction will be a pat on the back Pat on the back

Yeah I don't like this tight end class I'll put it that way I've said that No I like the top two guys I like Bowers I like Josh Sanders And I think you can you're fishing after after after that um i don't want to be a hypocrite i said on this show the other day

when you get the day three there's like a misconception that you're looking for starters um where i think tight end is a little different and and and i thought bow made a really good good point here you can sign a jack soul type on the undrafted market you can sign a blocking tight end typically on the undrafted market um actually that's where a lot of these like depth tight ends come from that that that that tier. So if I'm taking a day three tight end for the point that Bo mentioned that you find a lot of starting tight ends later in the draft, I want a guy who has some upside to start, not just someone who's fitting the role to be my blocking tight end. I feel like this has been a little bit silly how much tight end talk we've had.

Well, just we have you sitting here. I feel like I'm learning a lot. I feel like the thing that I think of as a just fan who doesn't know as much about tight ends is like and remembering back to watching Dallas. Dallas Goddard YouTube and crunching and getting ready for him to come. Like I feel like he was a pretty electric college tight end. I agree. And I feel like I didn't see that from anyone but Brock Bowers. Like I feel like the Eagles shouldn't settle for at least in the second round like you guys are talking about.

Like shouldn't settle for anyone that they don't think is going to be like you said, a potential all pro pro pro. Like has that type of potential just because I feel like like you said maybe I don't know, even like with the Cowboys with Dalton Schultz and like these guys who like. end up being pretty good, but like they're fine. They do the job. Like I'd rather go out and find a guy like that than fish in the second round for a position that feels like you can find undrafted guys or whatever else. I don't know. I'm a little, I'm anti this, this tight end thing.

Go ahead. No, no, because I have a non-tight-in question. Well, I was, yeah, we're just going to ask your general, like, round one. Hope. Geez, I hope they trade up for Brock Bauer. You enjoy a laugh there. No, I would be fine with that. I think, you know, I really honestly have been doing a lot of non-Eagles draft crunching,

so I don't have any, like, really informed opinions, but I know you guys are on them getting a tackle. I heard Fran say that, and I trust Fran with my life on this seat. I agree. Wow. Yeah. A lot of Mountjoy fans are clinging on to Fran now. Hopefully. He knows what he's talking about. Yeah, he seemed to think about. was a tackle so I'm interested in that's not maybe not quite as exciting but um I know you guys talked about I think Zach talked about wide receiver it's always fun to get to I think for me as a fan like

you know I do go really deep on this stuff but mostly it's just me being like they drafted this guy and then I go on YouTube and wide receiver YouTube is much more fun to watch than no doubt about it you know a man shuffling and blocking another well and there's the yeah there is the balance of like intellectually I can believe that this is better for team building but like like it's not going to give me the dopamine hit of watching you know it's like you guys were talking with savior worthy yeah yeah you guys are talking about with sayquan it's like maybe that people always and you guys should that's your job like break down whether the contract makes sense but i don't care if the contract doesn't make any sense you know i'll be mad about that in two years

when we can't sign the guy i want sure but that's not your money that's not that's not on my business yeah exactly what was your question yeah uh so a mountjoy slash eagles question i am curious as someone who you're a big Eagles fan. I think about the Eagles more than is probably healthy to admit. Jason Kelsey's time is always in demand, like year-round, but especially once training camp hits, once the seasons begin. So when you're performing at the Man Center and Jason Kelsey comes out on stage with you, what's going through your mind, not just as like an artist, but as an Eagles fan.

I mean, so pumped. I don't know. You know, like, he's, I don't know, what hasn't been said about how awesome a guy he is? He's an amazing guy. I feel like he shows up for the city and in such an important way in a way that doesn't really happen in other cities. Like, I think he's really made this, he's part of what makes Philadelphia special is that he does things like that. Like, truly, I think it's like, obviously, so many. people in that crowd are enormous fans of his and him doing that obviously helps there was a you know

i think he there's a charitable aspect to that and he's done so much amazing work for the community and then not just that but like it's electric when he shows up somewhere you know and he knows that and i think uh we're super grateful that he did that and in my head i'm just like i can't even say what it probably was thinking in my head but holy fuck yeah yeah zach i mean zach's usually the one who's working blue It's good for him to not be the way. Yeah, I mean, he shows up to WrestleMania. It's like, it's a Philly thing. He's, there's a degree to which you were that he's like now the Philadelphia mascot

and not like living his own life, but he's also like doing all the fun things that like anybody would want to do. I haven't spoken to him recently, but I spoke to someone who knows him. And I just because I was, since that show, he's become one of the biggest celebrities, at least in America. but maybe like on the planet because of the Taylor Swift thing. And I was just sort of like, hey, you know, out of concern, like, is he okay? Yeah. And this person was like, he's so grounded. Like, I don't really notice too much of a difference.

I mean, now he might be somewhere being like, but I don't know that for sure. But that just spoke to in that moment. Like, if it were me, I'd be having real problems, I think. Like I couldn't no longer move around the way I used to and stuff like that. So for him to still be showing up to these things when I imagine it just gets. harder and harder and harder for him to go anywhere. I think speaks to, yeah, he's like one of the, without question at this point beyond football, one of the great Philadelphians to ever exist.

My guess is later on today, he'll be scrolling on his phone. He'll see this pop up on, you know, on his feed and he'll be like, oh, man, if Matt Stone shows, I have this little podcast that, you know, I, you know, if you're on with the PHLY guys, you might as well stop by. Christmas album. You might as well stop by New Heights. Yeah, I was talking about the podcast part of it. But yeah, I understand.

Okay. I like one of the great Philadelphians. You know, you hear the stories of Benjamin Franklin. Benjamin Franklin opening up the windows and being completely naked in front of everybody. Those are the stories you hear? Not like finding electricity. You're hearing about him opening up his window. Yeah, it was air dry himself open.

He's down, you know, in the old city. Those are the stories I learned in school. Yeah. Well, I learned about flying the kite. We got to do some more research. Yeah. Yes. What else is on tap moving forward here?

Yeah, I mean, for Mount Joy, I mean, or just you, life, I don't know. Beer. So one thing, I guess, so Mount Joy, I don't know. We're playing all the shows that one could possibly play. It's fun. We're working on new music. Start playing some new songs. This summer will be in Philly in September, I think.

Which feels a world away, but. I get the automated emails about it. all the time. Oh, beautiful. I'm glad that we're spamming you. Yeah, super excited for the summer to get out and tour, but I'm enjoying this little spurt here. And hanging out in Philly.

What is the difficulty of like trying to make new music while also touring? Yeah, I was just talking about this with someone yesterday. Really hard. And for me, like borderline impossible, which is why like sort of intensely in the off, the non-music season. NPO. The non-toring season. The NMO. We really go pretty hard at trying to record and get ideas down and record it because

just the physical aspect of it, like, you know, you're not on a lot of sleep. It's just you're not, I truly think that like there's this adage that you have to be like, you know, doing drugs or like whatever it is to be making great music. And for some people that might be true. But for me, it's like actually the healthier I am, the sort of like, that's when my creativity, I think is at its best, but not when I'm like, I can't think or, you know, you're so fogged from sleep or whatever. So touring is sort of like that. It's like, you're tired and you just don't have a lot of time. So I think, yeah, you're kind of cramming for the test. Do you also then feel the pressure of like, okay, this is my time to be creative. I have to be

creative. And then all of a sudden that becomes like. That's why I'm here. Yeah. Honestly, I mean, it's not why I'm here. I love your show, but that's why I listen to shows like this. That's why I do things where I really dive into sports. And like, I've tried to like explain to my wife and I think she's watching. She was commenting at one point. Oh, nice. Awesome. She was, she jumped in on the, uh, the two green jerseys in Crenchton Stadium could be interesting. But, um, yeah, I just, it really helps me to like, like last night I was working on something and then got this opportunity. And I was like, you know, you kind of hit a wall and you're like, okay, let's go find out about tight ends. You know, like, I think it really helps to have things. You know, like,

I think it really helps to have things to reset and just be like not take it so seriously because when you're doing that or having with anything, I think if that could be advice people could take. It's like, I think when you get writers block or any sort of block creates creatively, it's like, choose you're just trying too hard. You know, it's like you're pushing too hard and what makes to me, like creativity is spontaneous. It's like it comes from this place of sort of being open to anything and not being like pressing or something like that. So having things like this is huge. I don't mean to. I feel that intensely. I say this is a shout out to the sickos. Certainly not to diminish your amazing work. Please do. One of the top artists out there.

But, you know, Bo sends me the text last night that you're coming on. I'm pumped. I told someone we're going to have Matt Quinn on from Mount Joy. And the person's response was, I loved his shield song. See, there you go. Yes. So that's a shout out. That's that's one that only the same goes. And the Marissa one. Yes. Yeah. The signature. I mean, I told it before, but the Marissa, like the Shio one, I was like, oh, man, like,

I kind of want to, I kind of want to reach you out to Matt about this. I'm a little bit nervous. And then the Marissa one, like, and it's similar to the conversation we had with less about, like not wanting to bother people as a reporter. Like, I wasn't like, I didn't want to bother you again and just popped in. You did it all on your own. Unbelievable. What a, what a guy.

Whenever, guys, I, I truly, like, I was telling them earlier, I'm a nervous flyer. When I'm, like, in turbulence, I put on. birds or H-L-Y or whatever it's okay we're not going to get sued whatever it's called for that P-H-L-Y put it on and that means so much to us seriously yeah I do and it's like sort of a

I don't know it's it's weird but it's a happy place for me for sure for me it is the same sorry go ahead Nick Siriani looks at the flight attendant and at the flight attendant's not not worried people say that but like someone said that to me it's sort of a thing people say, but it's like, you look at the flight attendant. The flight attendant is a paid actor.

Yeah. Like, they can't be freaking out. That would be, that would be like grounds for dismissal. Like, you know, like, they literally are paid to not freak out. It's like, look at the, I'm trying to scan, like, the regular people, you know. I think I sort of told this on the flight home from Disney World, uh, Jane was like, was not having it with the landing process. Okay.

And it was actually funny. I don't, I haven't talked to Tim about this, but they were sitting right behind Tim McManus. and Jane is just like as as the plane starts descending she's like get me out of here I want to get out of here let me let me off I don't want to be here I don't want to be here let me out of here and it's you know it's it's like it's okay because it's a three-year-old but like to imagine if that was yeah that's the flight attendant exactly that's like get me out of here get me out of here my funny plane story recently was my my six-year-old son had to had to go pee and I was I was I was like you can go there yourself and then person was

like person who was on the flight with was saying like wait yeah walk with him there it's like where's he going to go he's on a plane yeah i walked i walked him to the yeah i walked him by that do you mean emily no who was actually Sloan so his five-year-old sister but emmy was uh was napping at the time yeah oh nice so you left Sloan alone uh well emily was at the seat yeah yeah of course sure that's funny all right well matt thank you so much thank you guys appreciate it uh looking forward to Friday night and that'll do it for this episode of the PHLY Eagles podcast back tomorrow talking Zach's favorite position interior offensive line we're going to have I think Brandon Thorne on to talk about the sickos so looking forward to that back at noon that'll do

it for this episode thanks to everybody for watching and listening thanks to Julia we'll see you tomorrow and as always we love you