PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast |Countdown to Philadelphia Eagles Training Camp: Jalen Hurts, cornerbacks among 14 key revelations

Episode Date: July 9, 2024

Where did the offseason go? Start your countdown clock at two weeks. Zach Berman and Rich Hofmann discuss what we’re eager to learn a camp. It includes the Saquon Barkley buzz, Vic Fangio’s new-look defense, and even the updated kickoff strategy. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

We're two weeks away from Eagles training camp, 14 days, 14 things we want to learn, including Jaylon Hertz in a new offense and the cornerback competition. That and more next on the PHLY Eagles show. To a Tuesday edition of the PHLY Eagle Show, I'm Zach Berman, here with Rich Hoffman, and we are two weeks away, Rich, two weeks away from the day that the Eagles report to training camp, not to Lehigh, to the Novacare Complex. How are you celebrating this, this, this, two week away mark.

Is there a calendar in your home where you, uh, did you wake up this, this morning calculating the seconds until they report? Well, I'm wondering, Zach, how, how many days is that until Eagles training camp? 14. Oh, 14. Um, interesting number. And I think, uh, I think we should run with that idea. Well said.

Yeah. Yeah. I like that. Um, no, I do not have the calendar for, uh, for Eagles training camp. I don't have a calendar for anything, though. Is that right? Yeah, well, I, I use my phone for stuff, but I do not have a physical calendar.

I know a lot of people who do, you know, put one on the fridge or whatever. Just never been that type of person, though. My wife knows that the start of Eagles training camp is the end of my summer. And so it's like a day that she ruse every, it's like she hates when they report the training camp because she says like I go from like peaceful relax mode like overnight. It's like zero to 60. So it's it's football season for me when camp reports. but I am, I'm excited for it, especially this year, because, well, every year is exciting, but there's much to learn this year.

And that is the premise of today's show. Like we've spent the entire offseason, we'll spend these next two weeks talking about the different topics surrounding the Eagles. But in today's show, we will kind of crystallize it into a 14 point countdown, if you will. We'll go back and forth, seven each of things we're excited to learn. and eager to find out when the Eagles are on the field. Now, I should say they report in two weeks, but they're not practicing in two weeks. So they're not actually on the grass until the day after that, right? But if you remember for those our age, from Rich and my age, when the Eagles would report the training camp, there would always be those images.

You would watch it on Comcast SportsNed. Yeah. Of the players coming in the dorms. Exactly. They're back in school. Yep. Like some guys would have pillows. guys would bring a mattress you'd have the younger guys bringing the video game systems right uh and and they

were in the dorms it's it's not quite like that anymore they stay in a hotel somewhere at home um they just come to the facility but they stay in a hotel they don't stay at home well like the rookies and the guys who don't know if they're going to be on the team they stay in hotel and actually all the players have the option of staying in a hotel um you know some guys want to get away you have if you have crying babies at home, right? And you would rather get your full night sleep and I don't want to say the hotel that they stay at. That's funny. But yeah, I don't know where it is, but the idea of of trying to get away in Philadelphia somewhere is pretty funny too. No, there's a where you play the entire year. Yeah, there's a player I know well who had, you know, he had a baby at home. And he said it lovingly,

but he's like, you know, I'm going to opt for the hotel because this is my life. legalhood on the on the on the on the line i don't want to be uh you know you're already tired enough when when you when you get back you kind of want to be in your room so uh so so so that's the premise of of the show we'll go back and forth on on things we want to find out so it'll be 15 days until they're actually playing but 14 days until they report so i will let you kick it off with uh what you're i'm going to say most eager to learn but the top one on your list the the top storyline on my list. And I'm like legitimately juice for this as an Eagles fan.

It's one of the more, in my opinion, one of the more exciting storylines over the past few years. And that is how the cornerback depth chart shakes out. And I said this, I believe the second night of the draft, they select Cooper, or they trade up for Cooper de Gene. So they pair Cooper DeGine with Quinyon Mitchell. And it's just like, man, they have more depth. They have more youth at this position than they've had in years, right?

even during the Super Bowl year, both Slay and Bradbury, both excellent players, but like they struggled against some of the better QBs. And also that team, once one of those guys got hurt, it was like Josh Job, right? And now, after the OTAs

where you guys are gassing up Isaiah Rogers, the gambler, and Keeley Ringo, when both of those guys... Isaiah Rogers and Kenny Rogers both are the gambler. I like that, yes. And I just, think that that's really exciting to me like i think the fact that kelly wringo who was you know had some

good moments at seattle game last year i thought he thought he played pretty well and and the fact that vangio does not seem to be hey rook you got the starting position right away you there is a degree of you have to earn this a little bit um and so there's a lot of things i could keep going like cooper to jean like which which position does he play like is it just strictly versus him versus avante for the slot job. And also, too, because you have all of this depth. Do we have, you know, like the opposite of the Jordan Nash's Ronald Darby trade? Do you trade from the defensive back room because that is the position of strength?

Is that something we see? And then I guess you could also add James Bradbury into the mix, too. I know he's technically part of the safety depth chart now. But I just think, like, from how Vic Fangio deploys these guys versus just like, just like, who wins these battles like you know where where is everybody slotted i'm i'm very excited to watch us so a few follow up there's first off i can certainly see vic fangio as someone who would say hey rook right like like you're not at name level yet you got just a rook you got to make some plays before you can get into name level i i remember uh for the well you're all devoted eagles fans if

if you're watching us on july ninth here uh but victor harris the sickest of the sick yes macho harris um when macho harris i i wasn't covering the team the time, but I did, I covered macho when he was at Virginia Tech. When Macho Harris got to the Eagles, one of their assistants at the time was calling him Victor. And he said, until he makes a play, he's, he's, he's a victor. When he makes a play, I'll call him macho. So I, I can certainly see Vic Fangio being, I guess he's still Victor. He's still Victor. I can see Vic Fangio being the Hey, Rook type coach. But let me follow up with this. Okay. Let's let's say it's, it's August 6th. And I text Bo and I say, Bo, a great idea for today's show is that two weeks ago they reported the training camp.

So let's do 14 things we've learned about the Eagles in the camp. I'll be Bo. Yeah. And I'm going to text you back. No. Yes. Yes. Yeah.

Yeah. But we'll say, how about we do something about Paul McCartney and George Harrison? Is that? But no. So, and one of the things is this is what we've learned about the cornerbacks. during the past two weeks. What do you think two weeks in will know about that group? Like who's starting going in, you know, has Quinyon Mitchell taking the job at that point?

Or do you think this is going to kind of be a protracted thing all the way until week one? My guess is it's around the time where he starts to win the job. But here's the thing I'm not worried about Zach, but here's the thing if I'm Quinyan Mitchell I'm worried about. My guess is Kili Ringo gets the start right away because, you know, he played with the team last year. It seems like once he he was at the practices, you know, I know there was some controversy of

is he showing up or not, might have just caught him on a day where he had to go somewhere else, maybe hang out with Hassan Reddick in Japan and then fly back. He sounds fun though. Like, I'm going to say that in Jess. I would love to hang out with Hassan Reddick in Japan. The picture of Assangea, yes.

He looked like he was having a blast, you know, just seeing the sights, you know, seeing the new culture. That's not a problem. by me, His Son. My guess is that Kili Ringo starts in that spot, though. Do you agree with that or no?

No, I think it's going to be Quinyan Mitchell. Do you think he's just going to get it right away? Not right away. I think they're going to have that rotating thing. Okay. That's what I meant. And then there's going to be a day like, let's look at the calendar here. Okay.

So if camp, the first practice is July 24th, maybe it's like August 1st, there's a day when, you know, Quinion Mitchell is taking the majority of the snaps. We ask Nick about it. We ask Vic about it. And they say, oh, we're just rotating guys in and out. You can't read anything into the depth chart.

And then as it turns out, he's there the rest of the way. I still think it's going to be Quignon Mitchell. And it's going to be Vic Van Gio very, very surly still. Hey, rook. Stay in there. Hey, brook. Yeah. By the way, great job with Julia on the graphics.

We appreciate that, Julia. So the next one, you know, will ping pong back to me here. And look, I know that I'm not a newspaper guy anymore. I'm a podcast multimedia guy now. New media. Yeah, I'm all about new media. But there is kind of. Get that traditional BS out of here.

Yeah, but there is kind of like there is still, you know, if you keep scrubbing away, you get like that old newspaper guy where the messages went in doubt right to quarterback, right? That's kind of what I was told when I started. Hey, when in doubt, just write the quarterback. So my first thing, of course, is about the quarterback. How efficient is Jalen Hertz? And now this might seem like an obvious question. But I was there for the spring practices. I saw them up close at five practices. Again, I'm not overstating it. I'm not making a huge deal about it. But this was not a great spring from Jalen Hertz from like an efficiency perspective, which makes sense. He's learning a new office.

offense. The analogy that I've used and I'll continue using it is that if you read the first draft of my articles or the rough draft of my articles, they're probably not very good. Now, your newsletter every day is outstanding. I don't know if that's the rough draft or how much editing you do, but that's awesome. But the rough draft of my pieces are not very good. And that's essentially what practices, right? It's the rough draft, right? The games are the final draft. So we're kind of seeing it as as they go here. But the ball shouldn't hit the ground so much. It should, get out of his hands quickly. He should know where he's going with it. There should be a command of the offense. And by the way, Jalen has said this himself. One thing that Jalen said when, you know,

when we spoke in the spring is he needs to find out kind of like what in the offense works, what he likes, what maybe should be de-emphasized. And that will come with time that comes over camp. So what I want to see is the efficiency, not necessarily the outstanding plays, right? There's going to be times when, you know, we get on this show because we're doing a show after after all these practices where we get on and we say J. Allen had this amazing throw to A.J. Brown. Like, I know Jalen can do that. What I want to see is the efficiency day in J. I'm with you. And I also think, by the way, I can predict what the storyline is going to be. I hope this isn't the case. I hope he is efficient and everybody watching can agree like,

okay, yeah, he seems like he's got a handle on things, like nothing to be concerned about here. I think he might struggle a little bit because of what you guys who were at the OTAs and Mnicamp said. So if that happens, though, I could see him struggling. People like yourself, and not just you, I'm sure a lot of the beats will point out, yeah, he hasn't been that good in the in the practices. And there will be a collective freak out in the fan base, an argument and back and forth about how much practice matters and how much, you know, we should just look at Jalen Hertz's body of work in the games, which actually matter, versus the practices. And that's what we'll talk about for three weeks. I think that very likely is going to be the case. Unless they're not tackling, in which case

that's what they'll always talk about is, hey, why aren't they tackling back when I played? Hey, hey, we're going to get to them. We're going to get to them. Yeah, back when I played, they tackle their encamp. Yeah, that's that. So, so let's ping pong back to you here. All right. Number two for me is actually the battle behind Jalen Hertz. It's the it's the Tanner McKee Kenny Pickett. A good old fashioned Philadelphia storyline here. Who's going to be the most popular guy in the city? Yes. The number two quarterback. Although in fairness, I think Jalen has ascended to a level where it's not like the normal, you know, average starting quarterback so the backup quarterback is popular. I think he's earned at least that so far. Look, man, I might be overrating the, the precees.

from last year, but Tanner McKee was really good. I went back. I read some things about him. I watched his highlights. Like, he was pushing the ball down the field. It was like fun football to watch, aesthetically pleasing, like, was not checking the ball down. And if I remember correctly, Zach, in a few of those

games, like, he was making more good throws than the highlight reel I was watching. Like, guys were dropping the ball, and that's okay. They're third and four string receivers. But everything we saw from Tanner McKee was like, this is a pleasant surprise for where he was drafted. So, Interested to see how he looks.

Can he pick it? You know, like Marcus Marriota was not very good in the preseason last year. And that's all we saw from Marcus Marriota. He collected his, what was it, his $5 million paycheck. And just Jalen Hertz did not leave games last year. So I am, yeah, I'm interested to see those two guys because, you know, as much as they might handle the preseason and training camp differently this year, still don't think we're going to be seeing a ton of Jalen Hertz in those three games. So if if the, if the newspaper approach is when in doubt, right, the quarter, It's like the blogger approach is when in doubt, right, the backup quarterback, right?

Because you always know that the backup quarterbacks have been a good story. And I agree. This is going to be interesting to watch. And I think we'll learn more of that. Certainly, like you mentioned, in the preseason games. I think that there's going to be a deliberate effort from Nick Siriani not to put much on film because they, you know, Nick really believes in the old-minute surprise going into that week one Packers game. So I don't think you're going to see much from the offense.

And that's like personnel. and schematics. So you'll see much more of Kenny Pickett and of Tanner McKee. I said on yesterday's show, I think Kenny Pickett has like that, that gamer, I don't say gamer gene, but like that mentality. You know, and I think he'll actually look good in the preseason games. He can move around a little bit so he can extend some plays. But I think Tanner McKee from like a passing camp perspective, you know,

when you're in seven-on-seventh-on-sevents, I promise you there's going to be those practice observations where it's like, man, the ball looks great coming out Tanner McKee's hand, because it does look great out Tanner. Ball didn't hit the ground all day from Tanner McKee. Yeah, Tanner McKee can sling it, that's for sure. So, no, this, I, I'm not expecting a competition. Like, I'm expecting, I'm expecting Kenny Pickett to be the QB2, but I like the way you framed it.

Like, as far as what the, the hipster Eagles fan, if you will, what they're talking about is, man, and that's a shout out to Shield Capadia. He would always say, like, the hipster fan. like, you know, beyond the obvious. If, like, the old dads are saying, so how does Jalen look in the offense, right? Then, like, the hipster fans are saying, are saying, how does Tanner McKee look, right? And so I think that the Tanner McKee excitement is going to be there for sure. And I do think in preseason games, Kenny Pickett will look good because of his ability to extend plays.

And if Kenny Pickett does that fake slide, do you remember he did that at Pitt where he was, he was running down the right side line, acted like he was going to slide. They let off, stayed on his feet. Man, that would be like an iconic play in Philadelphia preseason. A lower right up with the Henry Josie touchdown. You didn't have that on your bingo chart today, did you? No, I did. The fake slide, by the way, too, like, I'm sorry, that was a great move, but there should

have been no late hits on him the rest of the game after he did that. Like, that's, you know, the ref had to be pretty lenient for the other team after getting embarrassed like that. That's all. So one more from maybe before we get to our sponsors, and that is where is Nick Siriani spent his time? And what I mean by that is not, is he at the philadium or chickies and peats? But is he, you know, is he with Kellynne Moore in the offense?

Is he spending more time with Vic Fangio in the end of the defense? Is he chatting with Michael Clay watching specialties? We'll get to that, by the way, in the third segment here. But the whole point about the CEO. coach, right? In the past, Nick was primarily focused on the offense, even though he wasn't calling plays, it was his offense. That is not the case here, right? So, you know, he still is the head coach, but this allows him to take a global view of the team. So as someone who has probably spent more time watching Nick Siriani at practice than Nick is comfortable knowing, I can say that I will be

observing where Nick is going. Chart his footsteps. Chart his footsteps. You know, there was that, at our former employer, one of the popular pieces to do was, was like 58 minutes of so-and-so at practice. Like, you kind of follow every step they do.

You can do that. You can follow where Nick Siriani is, who he's chatting to on, like, a practice-by-practice basis. And this is all part of the C. EEO coach, which I think that term's kind of taken on negative connotation. When I actually think

it's a positive thing. His job is to be the head coach of the football team. So he's with the entire football team. You like a good CEO. Did Bo tell you to say that? That sounds like a bo jab there. Maybe I'm a hipster too.

No. I just think Nick is in like such a weird position this year. I mean, even more than what he's doing. going on a day-to-day basis. Just his overall kind of hold in this organization. It's just like if he has a good season and I think you're actually right. Like Kellynne Moore, if they have a good season, Kellanmore is probably not going to be here next year.

But if he has a good season and Vic comes back and, you know, Sequin really works out. Like he could be here for four or five more years. But if they have a rough first month, I just think the noise is going to be ratcheted up for him. Way more than you would think for somebody with the record that he, possesses over over three years. So yeah, he's going to be fascinating. If I can just ask you this one thing about the CEO coach, because I follow every other sport, right? And like in the NBA, it's common that you have, and correct me if I'm wrong, you have one of the assistants working with big men. You have one of the assistants kind of

overseeing the offense, one of the assistants overseeing the defense. And the head coach is often like you're managing personalities. You're obviously there's 18. There's things like that. But, you know, there's substitution patterns. But what you are is, like, you're responsible for these, these, the morale of this group of men, right? Baseball managers, it's a, it's a similar type of thing. You're managing the game. I need to get Charlie O'Connor and you're going to tell me more about like what the hockey coaches is.

They just scream at them. Yeah, just more jam. But my point is, is that it's not as if like a lot of the. these coaches in other sports are like instituting their offense, instituting their defense. And so I think it's a, it's an overvalued thing in the NFL that because Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVeigh do it this way, that this is what your coach needs to do. I think I think that's fair. And by the way, every NBA coach will tell you like, you know, as much as I like drawing plays

and stuff like that, it's like, do the guys like playing for you? Do they play hard? 100%. And that's, look, I think in football, that's. still a huge deal. The problem is, I think of the four major sports, a football coach can have more of an impact on schematics, like you said. Like Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVeigh, they can just completely change the outlook of their team with their schemes and things like that. And you're right. That's not everybody. Yep. And I still think getting buy-in from players,

especially in a sport that hurts to play. Exactly. You know, you need maximum effort is really important. but I do think there is a little bit of a difference in that a football coach can have more of an imprint just because you're going from a set position every five to ten seconds and you're drawing of a play. But I understand what you're saying, and I do think there can be value in that in football as well. A lot of value in it as well. Agreed. Let me tell you about mortgage CS because today's real estate market is ultra competitive, right? There are prospective home buyers, perhaps just like you, are missing out on opportunities.

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Do you agree with that? Is that the most important one? Or do you think it's wide receiver three, maybe the cornerback position? Yeah, I think cornerback. I mean, right guard is juicy, but I think that there's, I think cornerback's more wide open than right guard. Now right guard's going to be fun to watch. And I do think the difference is I don't think they're as committed to Tyler

as they're publicly saying. But I think that Tyler Steen, it's Tyler Steen's job to win. And I think at cornerback, it's more wide open. Okay. Well, and that was my second question too, because, I mean, right guard at this time last year, we would have said,

hey, that's a position battle too, right? Absolutely right. And I think you know, instead of saying like, or asking, you know, is this Tyler Steen's position to win? Like, is it going to be a competition at all? Because last year, we were led to believe, I think, that, okay, you know, it's Steen versus, it's Juergens versus Steen. I think Jurgens,

we would have put him in that position first. And then we get the training camp and it's not a competition at all, you know, like it's, I think three or four days in, everybody in their practice notes said, oh yeah, this is over. Like, yeah, it's just, Cam Juergens is going to be the starting right guard. Like, they're not even really mixing anybody in there. And I think as you and Boe said, like Jeff Stoutland's on the record saying his preferences, let's let this five-man unit kind of work together. We're only going to mix it up if, like, we actually really need to. You know, if a player has growing pains that we think he can work out of, like, it's

probably beneficial to keep those five people together. And that's like, that's fair, right? I mean, Jeff Stoughtlin knows more about offensive line than I do. He knows more about offensive line than most people know about anything. Speak for yourself. Okay. Wasn't Bo that offensive line guy? Yeah, Bo's big, yeah.

Yeah, Bo and Stout, they pass each other in the hall. they don't have to say hello they just grunt and yeah there's there's like a shared offensive line mutual admiration society there do you do have that kinship no i don't because i'm i'm watching seven on sevens i'm not watching one-on-one so yeah so yeah so i're a passing guy oh yeah exactly i mean look i as as we all saw uh in the eagles splitscloth draft last last week that if if you embrace what football is in 2024 um you're you're watching seven on seven Sure. So, yeah, is it Steen's job just the entire training camp?

I know it was a big deal that Mackay Beckton was working at left guard, which suggests. He worked out, he worked on at both spot. The days were, so the, yeah, yeah, you're correct. The day we watched practice, he was at left guard. My understanding is that he actually spent some time at right guard as well this offseason. A lot of versatility for the big. Sure. And by the way, so I'm glad you, you, you, you,

you brought that up because they would not be looking at Mackay Beckton at right guard if they did not want to see what Mikey Beckett or at Guard in general if they did not want to see McKay Beckton at guard you're doing that because you're genuinely intrigued you referenced Jeff Stoughton. Yeah, I asked Jeff Stoutland the question because there were there were competitions in the past such as Andre Dillard Jordan Milata in 2021 when they were day on day off. What was the one when they were rotating the guard? That was during the season 2017. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, he took that a step further. That was, well, Siamalo lost his job. So then they were going with Chance Warmac and Stefan Wisniewski kind of like back and forth. And they eventually settled on Wizz. But yeah, so I think that, that, you know, as Jeff Stoughtland said, he wants to have the five-wheel drive. Now, I'm not a big, like, truck guy, but I imagine, like, I don't know what a car with five-wheels. I don't know.

Five-wheel drive a thing? I don't... I'm not a car guy either, but he was referencing like four-wheel drive, but he caught, you know, it's his turn, five-wheel drive, right? Sure. Which I respect. You kind of want that five-wheel drive. So you're not looking to...

Five-wheel drive could operate in the snow. Yeah. Wow. Another wheel. That's the offensive line is. So I don't think that they move Tyler Steen just for the sake of it, or they put someone else in there just for the sake of it. I do think if there's a day when you see Mackay Beckton playing right guard with the first team offense, that is not, oh, it's, you know, training camps long.

We're just rotating guys in and out. No, that's them. That's Jeff Stoutland genuinely saying, even in Nick Siriani wouldn't say it explicitly. And certainly, Kellan Moore, not saying it explicitly. That's not them saying that, that like, or that's their way of saying, Mackay Beckton, we are very curious. how he looks with the starting unit. The only reason why there's going to be another guard with the first team this summer is one, Tyler Steen's hurt or two, they're a little concerned about Tyler Steen or a lot concerned about Tyler Steen and they want to see someone else in there.

And I think you're right. My guess is this is more of a competition than it was last year because I just think they don't have that same level of belief, at least heading in. It's a prove it type thing for Dilerstein. So speaking about competition, the one that I want to go with here, my next one, is their competition for the third wide receiver spot. So we know Paris Campbell's the frontrunner there. And we know this is a spot where the Eagles don't really have someone who you say, all right, this is who Paris Campbell is definitely competing with. Is it going to be a Naya Smith? That's a fifth round pick, someone that I know they like, they can see them there. one thing that I also want to see is how much they use Devante Smith and or A.J. Brown inside. If they do that, then you're talking, okay, maybe Johnny Wilson can get in there in three receiver sets. When I asked Nick Siriani about the third receiver spot, he mentioned that he's kind of looking at it from like a global perspective, going back to the CEO coach, right, that it might not be the third receiver. It might be the second tight end. It might be the second running back. So maybe there's times when Will Shipley's in there.

maybe there's times when Grant Calcutterra is in there, but specifically wide receiver three because their base offense is 11 personnel. I'm expecting Paris Campbell to win the job, but I do want to see if there's legit competition for someone to beat out Paris Campbell. Yeah, and so my guess is no, but let's say Paris Campbell's kind of just playing against himself. The question for me is, is there a trade at this position? Well, yeah, I mean, that's a good job. You're getting on something I want to hit on.

If there's a spot that I think Callie Roseman looks up great, I think he should look for wide receiver. And wide receiver is a spot where generally a player elsewhere can be expendable because teams have numbers at wide receiver. It's harder to trade for a spot where teams have less depth at wide receiver. That's typically your deepest spot in training camp. All right. Good there.

Let's go. next one. And you kind of mentioned this already. Just what does the offense look like? And you guys got a feel for it at OTAs and minicamp. And there probably is an element of like, Nick Siriani doesn't want to show his hand. But when you're installing, what was it? 90% new? 95. 95. That is very high percentage. At some point, I think you do actually have to practice that. And not, uh, and not just worry about showing it your hand to either reporters or, you know, the other teams. you're practicing against in joint practices, those type of things. So, and that's a question. And I guess it's like if they're going to struggle a little bit, we mentioned Jalen Hertz, but let's take that to the entire offense. Like it feels like this will be a camp where the defense might be ahead of the offense just because of the growing pains of learning a new system.

And, you know, sometimes it's the opposite way. Zach, I will always remember that 2017 training camp. I had no idea that Eagles were going to win a Super Bowl that year. but Carson Wentz just throwing the ball over Patrick Robinson's head literally every practice. And the fact that Patrick Robinson, after they make the trade for Darby, they bump him inside, and he has a great season. It's unbelievable. He made the interception against the Vikings in the championship game.

Huge play. I mean, obviously Chris Long gets some credit for getting to the quarterback there, but incredible. The fact that Patrick Robinson, who is getting absolutely smoked every day at Novacare Complex, turned into that type of reliable player for a Super Bowl champion was crazy. I don't think it's going to be that type of practice. I don't think they're going to have, or sorry, that type of training camp. I don't think the ball is going to be going over player's heads. Like I think there's going to be a degree.

There's going to be a learning curve here. So, but what does it look like? You know, all the motion, all the new things. Do you guys actually see anything? Yeah, well, I do think to pre-stap motion, that's something that was evident during OTAs. And it's going to be even more pronounced in training camp when you're doing more 11 on it on 11 work. You kind of want to see what are the patterns there are running. Is it mainly, you know, where's the ball going?

And I'm glad you brought up the 95% thing because kind of my understanding of that is maybe it's not that like 95% of the offense is new, but like Jowen's responsibilities on a play-to-play basis could adjust. So if he's doing a different thing, you know, if it's the same. same play, but he's kind of taught to look here or the drop this way, right? So it's, it's, it's not as if it's a new offense, but there's different concepts or different focus or focus points on a play-by-play basis, then it seems new to him. It's like our show is not new today, but if I'm doing the cold open, like it's a, it's a different focus that I'm doing, right? So it's, similar to that for G. Owen Hertz. But I, yeah, this is a different offense. Like, this is,

this is Kellan Moore's offense and you hit it on the head. Kellan Moore's, he's going to be one of the most fascinating characters, if you will, during training camp because there's so much change there and you're messing with a good thing, right? Like he has the toys to work with. And so it's going to be interesting to see how that manifests. Excuse me.

What was your early take on Kellan Moore, just dealing with him as a media member? I mean, yes, he's like what you expect from a young offensive coordinator. It's boring. It's interesting. Yeah, I mean, I don't want to call someone boring because, you know, I don't think that there's boring people. There's only, you know, unimaginative questions, right? So I try, you know, so I need, if he seems boring, I need to do a better job trying to get.

Yeah, is that like I always, I say if I'm at dinner with. with my wife and we're with like another couple and she's like oh so and so it's boring. I'm like he or she's not boring. We're just not doing a good job engaging them. Like it's incumbent upon us to find it. Everyone has a personality there, right? You can always get someone to laugh or smile or think. So I think that now I think Kellan Moore is going to make that a little difficult and I think

a press conference setup is, you know, the odds are against you. But I'm hoping as the year goes on, we'll learn a little bit more about our friend Kellan. I wonder to if I'm being hard on him just because Vic Fangio seems like, I mean, what a character. Yeah, exactly. And I was going to say, he's like, so if you went to central casting, which this expression is central casting. Like, is this a, do, like movies and TV shows, do you actually go to central casting? Like, is there a casting director who calls up a place and they send you something? Anyways.

I agree. I don't think the casting industry is that centralized. I think it's, you know. I hope there's the more nuance there. They look in different places, yeah. I mean, when I see the credits to a movie and I see a casting director, like, I hope you're working, I hope you're working more than just calling central casting and say, send me the grizzled defensive coordinator.

But in any event, the defensive coordinator, Vic Fangio fits that profile of like, he's, he's honest, he's rough. As Beau would say, he kind of looks like your old gym teacher. and then Kellan Moore he's kind of you know if you think back

like any given Sunday you know he's he's like that that young new age offensive coordinator right oh is that Aaron Eckhart yes good job there

yeah so my point being that yeah Kelmore fits that profile but I'm looking forward to getting to know more about him I watched him a lot in college at Boise State

I knew quite a bit about him when he was with the lines in the Cal voice so interested in hearing that. By what, I'm reading the chat here. Claire F, I appreciate your, as every single day, Claire, I appreciate you, loyal viewing. You say there are definitely boring people. I stand by my point.

There are some people who are more boring than others, but it's incumbent upon the person having the conversation to get them to be less boring. And way to throw Emily out of the bus. No, Emily would tell me, Claire, she would agree with you. She would say, no, Zach, that person's boring. So, yeah. Any other favorite Aaron Eckhart performance? Yeah, thank you for smoking.

Is it? That's a good one. I'm surprised that's the first one that we get used. That is a good one though. I was thinking more Harvey Dent, uh,

dark night. I like, thank you for smoking. That's, uh, that's a good book. Um, I'm trying to think,

uh, of some other Aaron Eckhart wants. What else? There, I thought you were just going to say, uh, dark night, but,

uh, all right, so the thank you for smoking, surprised you. Okay. No, that would have been the other one I would have said. Okay.

Uh, Aaron Eckhart movies. You can, Here, you could probably do the Adderian at all. I'm going to my next one while we search Aaron Eckhart movies here on the show. I did not have that in my notes today. My next one that I did have in my notes is, is Jalen Carter the clear best player on defense? And look, I feel strongly in this one.

I've said it, Jailen Carter is the best player on their defense. He's the centerpiece for this defense. But there should be reports. We talk about these practice observations we do. There should be reports that come out during the summer. And the practice observations are, man, Jaylon Carter dominated one-on-one drills. Like, no one could block him.

We saw that last year. It should be more pronounced in year two. There should be a jump from year one to year two. I remember Fletcher Cox, because we use Fletcher Cox as a reference point, often with Jalen Carter, Fletcher Cox, after his rookie years, going into 2013. There were practices that summer in Chips' first year where it's like, wow, you can't block this guy.

and I think that's that's what it should be so if if Jalen Carter is now training camp you're not like sacking the quarterback but if Jalen Carter is not penetrating a jail and Carter's not winning these these one-on-ones like Jailen Carter shouldn't have a quiet training camp Jail and Carter should have a loud training camp there should be national reporters who who come through watch one practice and it's like you know people aren't talking about this enough but Jaylen Carter could be a candidate for defensive player of the year, right? Like that should be the sentiment when people come and watch Jaylon Carter at practice. I can see those NFL network hits happening. Oh, yeah. This Jalen Carter, I mean, the coaching staff cannot say enough good things about him.

Not Vic Fangio, mind you, because he doesn't say positive things about anybody. But everybody else, man, they think this guy has Aaron Donald level potential. He can, he'll be able to wreck games this year. I hope that's the case. Hey, I think we're going to get something like that, too. I loved what I saw from Jalen Carter last year. And to me, he was the actual example of like, he just ran out a guess. Like, that's what happened.

He needed to be in better shape. He needed to be kind of ready for a. I certainly do. But, no, I think he's going to get there this year. Yeah. Good step. Yeah, not a lot of other good Aaron Eckhart movies. That's what I was actually waiting on there when I fished back to you.

I was like, John Carter's interesting, but let's get the Aaron Airman. Aaron Brockovich. I mean, we're talking, you know, 25 years ago at this point, you know. Aaron, come on. Update the resume a little bit. Has he been on any TV shows recently? Something called the First Lady. You played Gerald Ford in that?

Did you see him in the Hall of Presidents? Of course I saw Gerald Ford in the Hall of Presidents. Did you see anything? Anything interesting about Gerald Ford in the Hall of Presidents. Oh, are you because, no. No. No. Is there something interesting about him?

Oh, no. I have a lot. Okay, you got me worried there. Yeah, well, because I'm watching the show now, presumed innocent. Oh, I've heard of that one. Have you heard about this? Yeah, I'm watching this on Apple TV. I recommend it. So my pop culture note of the day is watch presumed innocent. I mean, I'm hooked to this. I can't wait for, now, I saw the movie like 25 years ago, right? So I'm hoping that the killer's a little different than what the movie is. We'll see. Or that there's kind of a twist. it, but I bring that up because, man, I'm going to butcher the name here. I shouldn't even have brought it up. Jack Jowenhall. Am I pronouncing it correctly? No. Jack Jowenow. You pronounced the hard part, but you got the name. Jake, Jay, Jowenha. I'm sorry. Not Jack, Jake, I apologize. I'm so focused on the Jill and Hall that I rolled over the first day. I know the first name. Jake Jol and all. Okay. Jake Jowenol is in it. And we know Jake, Jake, not Jack. We know Jake from movies primarily, but now he's on presumed innocence. So I didn't know if Aaron Eckhart had a run like that as well. Before we get to the next one here, I have some more

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Okay. Who's up first? Me? I'm up first. Oh, you're at first. So the first one for me is kind of a, it's more of a broader question. Do the Eagles handle all this differently? Because I think you will remember this was a big talking point after

the New England opener last year, right? Nick Siriani, did he not admit? Like, he's like, maybe I got to look at how we handle the preseason training camp. We were a pretty sloppy football team today. Now, as it turned out, they were a pretty sloppy football team the entire year. So that might be more of an overall philosophy or just that the players were not getting the coaching points or maybe the players weren't as good as we thought they were. But I thought it was interesting a couple weeks ago when Brian Westbrook was on the show with you guys at the golf outing.

He basically said, like, the Andy Reed training camp was hard. Like, they would hit like crazy. I mean, I remember that was like my dad's arrow covering the team. He's like, it was insane how much they would hit. And Westbrook, I thought it was astute of him, frankly, to be like, that's the reason we lost games in September. In September. He's like, now I don't know if that's like the strategy you want. Like it's like, all right, we're going to lose games in September because we hit hard in August.

But obviously that's the, that's the classic argument. Do you want to be sharp? or do you want to be healthy? I don't know where this goes. Do they actually handle it differently? I don't know what the answer is, but we'll see. Yeah. So just as a tease, I have a few pieces out next week on Nick Siriani from some reporting that I've done recently.

And this is going to be one of the things that I look at. What is different this year? And I do think Nick kind of took a look at everything. I don't think they're going to change their preseason approach. But one thing I do think they might do is kind of like the structure of practice might be a different. So we'll see as that goes on. My next one here is what's different with Vic Fangio. So can you learn about the scheme when you're watching these practices? Is this like just the Sean DeSai scheme with Vic running it? Like because Sean learned from Vic, but the personnel is

different. Like do you see how pronounced that odd man front is? Do you see certain, I don't want to say peccadoles, but certain nuances to Vic Fangio's coaching when you watch. to practice. From a personnel perspective, what is he, like, who does he mix and match? Is he looking for different packages or does he want to kind of keep the same group on the field? Are you seeing the first team defensive line mix and match? Like, these are things that I'm really fascinated to see with Vic Fangio. We talked about Kellyn Moore with the scheme, but I think with the defensive coordinator, it's a combination of A, the scheme, but also, like, how you deployed that ski. And you mentioned the personnel. I would say the guy that I am looking forward to see,

like, how does Big Fangio use this person? Cooper DeGiate for sure. Right. Like, you know, obviously you want to see like, is he with the first team? Is he with the second team? But like, where is he playing? What is he doing? Can't wait to see it. Yeah, well said. All right, we'll bounce back to you. All right. This is another one. And this is kind of strictly for the preseason, because I don't think we're going to see a ton of this guy once the games actually matter. Let's see what Jaylux Hunt looks like. You know, like let's see. This is the guy, I think, you want to see in the preseason, right? He is so raw and you have to teach him enough football that you're probably not going to put him out in the regular season. Who knows? Maybe he surprises.

That would be awesome, I think. But like, line him up as a pass rusher. And, you know, it's funny. Like I was thinking watching Hard Knocks last week, Zach, the offseason version with the Giants, which, by the way, I know we've talked about this a lot, but that was the most interesting hard knocks I've seen in a while. I feel like the traditional training camp version is just not as good in the past few years maybe it's just because it's the same formula over and over again. I like the in season one as well, but yeah. The end season one's good too. Yeah, you're right.

But if we were doing the traditional one, like Leav Schreiber, he's talking about Jay, Exxon. Oh, yeah. At all at all times. It's a great name too for Leav Schrober to say, Jay, Lexx Hunt. Yeah. Well, Leo Schreiber. That was a whole of a Leif Schreiber impression right there by me.

That was a good. Well, the thing is with his voice, like, I watched him, what was the, uh, was it, Ray, Ray Donovan, was that the show? Well, I'm now a little worried about mixing up names too as well. I actually know what is Ron Donovan, but go on. Absolutely. But honestly, Zach, like I had not seen him in a lot of stuff before. He's in other good movies like Spotlight, too.

Great journalism movie. Oh, absolutely. But his voice is different in that than as the HBO narrator too, which is, I'd like to see how the sauce gets made there with, with Leah, changing his voice. But anyway, like, Jail-Ox Hunt, you know, learning. the NFL game, learning a new position, that's something I'd like to see. Let's see what happens against the pros instead of these small college teams in Texas. You know, I think that's a really good one for this purpose because that's something that you're reserving during training camp and the preseason. He might be a guy who doesn't have a big role, like we said, on Sundays. So a lot of that

development has to come during the month of August. I like that. So one of the big changes this year and this is mine is kickoffs. So how do the Eagles practice new kickoffs? Because one thing that Nick Siriani said is that they want to keep this close to the vest. And the other thing too is like Michael Clay, the special team's coordinator, he's, obviously, they're working on this every day, but they don't know what other teams are going to do either. So there is this, you know, they've watched the XFL because it's been in the XFL. I want to see from a personnel perspective how it looks.

I want to see from a strategy perspective how it looks. One of the things that, you know, I spoke about with Bo a few months ago. I've probably spoken about everything with Bo a few months ago. But one of the things I spoke about is like, will they try to use a different kicker or will they look at different kickers because the kicker is a player, you know, he's like a tackler in this play, right? And that's something that Kansas City's that Kansas City's talked about. And that's not anything to do with Jake Elliott's size, but it's more you don't want

Jake Elliott to get injured. You don't want on Jake O'Neillia in a position where he has to tackle and get injured. And if the type of kick that you're doing is such that it's landing in like a regulation zone, then maybe there's someone else that you use there. So I want to see a lot of the different strategies that they use for kickoffs. I'm trying to think who would they use. I remember Mark Simino kicking an extra point one time when somebody got hurt. Yeah, there was a game in Dallas where Kamukhrujian Hill kicked.

Camula. Was that touchback? he got? Yeah. Last year, what an athlete. Last year, they actually had a back, like a position player field goal competition. Justin Evans, no longer with the team, but he kicked well. Boston Scott was in there. So yeah,

I mean, I kind of envision like Cooper the Gene as someone who can do everything, right? I mean, I've watched the basketball mixtape. You know, he plays all these positions. I imagine and maybe I'm generalizing for like a small school in Iowa, but I imagine like you're probably

kicking as well. So, so, When I played football in grade school, FLEX, pop, yeah, pop, well, this is not a flex. Oh, okay. When I played, I was the kicker for our kind of CYO team. I signed up for the freshman team. They just said, like, it wasn't a sign up. It was just everybody get in line who can kick.

And like the third kid in line kicked, and it was like the most amazing kick I've never seen in my life. Like he kicked it like 45 yards, 50 yards. Ended up being a division, 1-A, punter, whatever they call that now. I just was in the back of the line. I just walked out of the line. Really? Yeah, that was it. I was like, can't beat that. So maybe

they have that? Maybe you could have, though. That's the thing. You know, if you missed your opportunity. I couldn't have. But I envision that type of competition for these guys. Maybe line up all the position players. Don't let them leave the line like me because it's a different thing. I was in a pickup game one time at

Syracuse where it was like with some football players and like down the roster basketball player two and somehow the ball ended up in my hands and I hit a three and I left the game after that because like I there there was no it was a lucky issue it was a lucky shot and I don't want the ball coming my way again and it's like it's kind of like the georgostanz I'm out everybody yeah that's that's how I was approaching it speaking about dated references yeah that's that's that's time's cool okay last one and this one is more just kind of fan driven just how big does the sayquan buzz get right

Like, that's going to be... It's huge. It's going to be... It's already crazy. But I think once... And especially because, like, you don't really tackle in training camp, like, once he catches one of those wheel routes, like, people are going to be going to be going crazy.

Like, the people in the tents on the sidelines, like, that's going to be the biggest pop by a mile. Yeah, you are absolutely right. And, like, Sequin is aesthetically, like, a fun player to watch. Sure. Explosive player. Like, my son already has the 26th jersey. Oh, yeah. Yeah, this is...

like for sure this is this is going to be one of the the cool storylines to monitor everything he does catching them ball on explosive run he's he's the guy people are going to want to see out there it's it's it's kind of like the TO summer 2004 where man you got this bonafide superstar with your team so that's that that's a good one my last one and we referenced this earlier is does howie roseman have another move up his sleeve howley roseman is um has made a handful of trades and signings during training camp. If Bo was here today, he would gladly mention the Ryan Bates trade. That's one of Bo's favorite deals. There's also the famous Bruce Hector trade. But you referenced, of course, one of the higher profile ones,

the Jordan Matthews, Ronald Darby one. There was also a high traffic in there as well. But, yeah, I think there are some spots like wide receiver, defensive tackle. where the Eagles could use some help. If there's an injury, this is a spot that Eagles could use. And by the way, if you notice in the great job of joy with the graphic here, I didn't write another trade up his sleeve.

I read another move up his sleeve because last year, I think it was like August 3rd, they signed Miles Jack and Zach Huntingham, right? So maybe this is a signing. Maybe there's a Michael Thomas signing one day, right? Like that would be a buzzy type move. Maybe there's a Julio Jones signing. That would really be a buzzy type move. But I was expecting a little more of a reaction from you on that one.

I know. No. You got to sell that. He's your guy, I guess. Yeah, come on. Yeah, real controversial take to believe that a Hallfamer is good. Okay. That's for a co-host watching at home.

So anyways, yeah, I want to see. One thing I know about Howie, and it's like this isn't a bold take. like he he has said this before he said this to me he said this publicly like he is looking every day at what can be done to improve the team he's looking at the waiver wires looking at the pro scouting lists right um so they'll have their meetings about how practice is going and he won't be afraid to make a move right he we talk about this from a training camp perspective but he acquired cj gardner johnson uh on cut down day two years ago right before the regular season exactly so um i i do expect him to uh to be active.

So I would pay attention to that. Especially with those extra picks you got, you know. Exactly. Yeah, they have flexibility there. This was fun. Yeah, man. I enjoyed this. So when we started the show, they were two weeks away.

They're still two weeks away, but an hour or less now. And we will be talking about training camp until training camp arrives and when training camp arrives in two weeks. But we will be back tomorrow, Rich and I, for a midweek mailback. How about that alliteration? Right. I was, as I said on a show two weeks ago, I was thinking about all the summer shows, and I said, we need to have a mailbag on a day that begins with him, or on a day that begins with him. But if we go Monday, it's the start of the week. Maybe the mailbag is not good then, but midweek mailbag, it's perfect. So we have a midweek mailbag tomorrow. This is a chance for you to get all your thoughts, whether it's training camp related, whether you have a Darrell-Morri question for Rich, whether you want to know my favorite Jack Gyllenhaal movie.

you know there's so many things you can ask us but I will obviously lean toward the Eagles questions but we'll have some fun here because whenever you have a July 10th mailbag you have to have some fun so that is tomorrow Thursday we're going to have Jamie Lynch in the seat and we will be talking about fantasy football we will be going through who to watch for the Eagles on fantasy football we'll be going through some NFL fantasy notes and then Friday we're going to have Devin Jackson from the Inquirer here and we will be talking about the 2025 draft. So looking forward to tomorrow's show with Rich, the mid-week mailbag. Get your questions in. I'll put a call out on Twitter. Also, I appreciate everyone on the Discord. You can give us

some questions there as well. Until then, that's Rich. Thank you, Julia. If Boa's here, he would say, as always, we love you. I would say we'll do better tomorrow. Thank you for watching.