PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | Do Darius Slay & Quinyon Mitchell help form the best Philadelphia Eagles secondary in recent memory?

Episode Date: June 28, 2024

The Eagles seem loaded with cornerback depth in a way they haven’t in a very long time, with the likes of Kelee Ringo, Isaiah Rodgers, Cooper DeJean and Avonte Maddox joining the projected starters on the outside. Add in the addition of C.J. Gardner-Johnson, and all of a sudden the defense looks built from back to front as opposed to the traditional Howie Roseman design. Fran Duffy of [PhiladelphiaEagles.com](http://PhiladelphiaEagles.com) joins Bo Wulf to discuss that and many other topics (like Milton Williams and breakfast sandwiches) in a rousing addition of Tic-Fran-Bo. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody, and welcome to the P.HLY Eagles podcast on a Friday, high noon, Bolewolf, and not Zach Berman. Today, joined instead by the handsome, the intelligent, the witty. Fran Duffy at Philadelphia Eagles.com. Fran, how you doing? You call me witty. That's as big a compliment as I can get. I appreciate that. Nice to have you. Nice to see you. Nice to see the hashtag Fran's thighs. Everybody's excited about that. And listen, we've got a fun show today coming up. We're going to do our own little version of Tick Fran Bo. Okay.

We've got, you know, three, we got the rubric here, NFL, Eagles, miscellaneous. I've got a few different categories this time, but that's to be expected. However, we got to start. We have some actual Eagles news to the point that on June 28th, I think Zach was reconsidering his vacation because he doesn't like to miss news, but we have news from the Philadelphia Eagles, Fran. The Kelly Green Games have been announced. Did you see this here?

I did. Oh, no. I did hear this. I'd let you bring us in. The two games, Fran, Sunday night football, November 3rd. What could be a interesting week for the country. Week 9 home Sunday night football against Doug Peterson and the Jacksonville Jaguars and then holding it out for the second to last game of the season.

What is scheduled as a 425 game against the Dallas Cowboys, December 29th, that game could move potentially to Sunday night football as well. What do you make of those two games? I like it. I think both games definitely have some juice. I think it'll be, obviously, the Jacksonville game will be fun for a lot of reasons, just a bunch of reunions there. But Eagles Cowboys is going to have a ton of juice late in the season. So having the Kelly Greens in that kind of situation, that will be a lot of fun. Did those two games surprise you? Were you expecting something different? I don't know that they surprise. I mean, the Dallas one's good. You want the juice there for an important game. I'm a little bit disappointed. I like to see those jerseys in the sun. You know? See, I liked them under the lights. I like them both. I want to see both of them. So one is a primetime game. The other is the 425 in December. That's going to be dark pretty quickly.

I'd like to see one in, you know, a nice Sunday 1 o'clocker, but that's okay. I thought all the photos from the the Dolphins game in particular. Yeah, Dolphins just popped. Like watching Jalen, like some of those shots last year of him and those Kelly Greens. Outstanding. Yeah. I think those are not too bad. All right. Are you ready to hear the categories that I have? As always, yes, very much so. Okay. We have Rank Bank. Okay.

In which we're going to be sort of talking about rankings. Got it. Okay. We have Fran Splain Me. Okay. In which I want you to Fran Splain me about different things. And then we have Duff Duff Duff Pass, which is a little bit more theoretical and exploring the, you know, the constraints of the mind. Does that mean I get to pass on the question if I don't like it?

No. Okay. I didn't think so. All right. So, Eagles, NFL, miscellaneous, rank bank, France, Blaine me, Duff, Duff, Pass. Where would you like to start? I suppose we got to start with the Duff, Duff, Pass. Let's go Eagles.

Eagles Duff, Duff Pass. Okay, we're going to talk now about our friend Milton Williams. Okay. A player who you were very high on in the pre-draft process. Yes. A player who Zach and I have sort of gone back and forth on whether the Eagles are going to try to extend him, whether he would like to sign an extension at this point. 25 years old has looked good over the course of his first three years, but maybe not dominant, right?

Last year, slightly disappointing just production-wise with only a half sack after having four in 2022. But in this defense now, without Fletcher Cox, probably expected to, you know, definitely play a bigger role. And if you're thinking of how can this defensive line be as good as the Eagles want it to be, you need one of Jalen Carter. Jordan Davis or Milton Williams to take some kind of leap. What are your upside expectations? How good do you think that Milton Williams could be? Well, you were correct in that I was very high on Milton Williams coming into the NFL, his draft process.

I remember watching him. It was February of that draft season. I want to say it was February of 2021, right? And what you saw was a former defensive end who made the change inside a defensive tackle and watching just a guy that was so explosive off the ball and so did. disruptive. And our mutual friend Josh Naurus has been very prevalent in coining the phrase disruption is production. And it says that often about guys in the front seven. And that really kind of speaks to the way Milton Williams is able to

impact the game. And when you looked at like his past rush win rates, that was something when you told me, hey, you're probably going to talk about Milton Williams in the episode just went and pulled some of those numbers. You know, you love, you know, I love looking at some of the data on these guys when they're coming out of the out of college going into the NFL. 184 defensive tackles were drafted in the last eight years. years that have PFF data. 184. 184D tackles last eight years.

Pass rush win rate, according to PFF, he is third in that group, wedged right between Collagia Kansi and Quinn and Williams, two first round picks. You look at... Over the course of the three years total? His final season.

Oh, in college. In college, his final season. So he was fifth when you looked at it just on third down. His pressure rate was outstanding over the course of his entire career. You know, I feel about pressure, right? Well, the thing about pressure,

Well, that's probably a separate conversation. Either way, we'll just say it. The pressure rate was very, very good. I'm trying to stay on track just because the guy who normally sits in the seat would try and do the same thing. Also, just against the run, he was extremely productive against the run over the course of that final season at Louisiana Tech. PFF has this stat that they put out where they say,

okay, the percentage of plays where they are positively graded against the run, right? So it's like, okay, the percentage of the plays that they play, of their snaps, where they earned a positive grade against the run. Okay. First on that list in their final season in that 184 player sample was Vita Vaya. Then you have Quinn and Williams, two good players, top 50 picks. This is in college. Yes, in college, yes.

Milton Williams was third. Then you have Solomon Thomas. You have Jordan Davis was fifth. Devante Y. These are a bunch of first round picks, like quality players. Yeah. And so as we were going through the Milton Williams profile, I'm like, man, like this guy is just, he's grading out so, so well. He goes through his pro day because they didn't have a combine that year, blew the doors off the pro day.

So the athletic testing, you had one of the best. RAS scores, the relative athletic testing scores in all of the history of the draft over that eight-year sample. And then you get to the league. And I thought that you saw the, obviously, the sample size has been low because he's been a rotational player. But those efficiency rates have still been very, very high. And so I think when you look at Milton Williams, it's not just about, oh, like, look at the tools. And it's also what he does on the field, given that sample size. I know the sack production wasn't there last year, but this is a guy.

I know opposing defensive line coaches, even in the second half of last year when the defense did not perform as well, Milton Williams was the name where it was like, yeah, like this guy up front, we have to block this guy. And so I think when you look at at Milton Williams, what he can be moving forward is a very pivotal piece for this Eagles defense. Do you expect that, like let's say it's third down, it's going to be him and Jalen Carter on the field together in the middle or do you think it will be Jordan Davis? Well, obviously, look, without Fletcher Cox, without your former teammate, Fletcher. or Cox here. I think when you look at that defensive front, no such thing as a former teammate. Once a teammate, always a teammate.

You and I are. That's exactly right. Okay. So I think when you look at what that third down front will look like, I think that's probably feasible, right? You could see looks like that. It all gets sorted out in training camp, but I think when you look at Milton, he has that disruptive ability to line up at multiple techniques and win. That is so, so important for this defense. I think if I

was playing the Zach role here and trying to, you know, just crush Milton Williams and downplay the guy. He would say something about, you know, a lot of the stuff you were talking about was in college. We've now had three years. Now, I know, I know you said the rates are still pretty good and pretty similar, but you do, you know, it's, we've talked many times, and it's important for the Seagulls team to keep this in mind that defensive tackles often take a lot of time to develop. But he had year three, which was supposed to be the big jump. It didn't come production-wise,

but what you saw on film didn't quite match that production. Yes, I think that he's very much the same player we saw in 2022. I actually just went. I knew I had some stuff from from NFL numbers that I had saved and going into this was January of 2023. So the 22 season, all right, the Eagles are going to the Super Bowl or in the midst of that playoff run. Which defensive tackles had the highest percentage of players of the positive grade against the run is that same that same stat. So we're talking NFL 2022 season. Aaron Donald was number one. The great Derek Brown who we know is an all pro quality player. We're going to get to Derek Brown. Derek Brown number two, Christian. in Wilkins number three, Milton Williams was number four.

And so I think, again, when you're looking at. Wow, what a tough thing for Zach now. He either has to accept that Milton Williams is good or throw Derek Brown under the bus. I wanted to say, look, that's one of the things I know will torture him over the next week until he gets back in the seat. But I think when you look at Milton again, you're kind of banking on the come, right? Because you're betting on a bigger role for him moving forward. But I think that this is a player that has that disruptive ability, both against the run and against the pass. You're going to keep it moving.

It's tough tough pass You know if Zach was here I would have to comment Banking on the comment That's okay All right Would you like to move on Yes

Good good Milton Williams discussion France plain me Ranked Banked up tough pass Eagles NFL Let's go NFL We'll do France plane Fransplain

France blame Okay this is a This is a deeper one Okay Okay Okay Yeah I know you do a lot of work like after the fact in the NFL draft going over everything that like that the organizations have

said you watch all those post draft press conferences you look closely at the like the actual draft classes when we are all like mired in the the pre-draft discussion and like what are these teams going to do what what is in your estimation like the most under discussed part of trying to figure out draft teams philosophies well it's something that I've taken a lot of interest in over the last we'll say like four or five years has been each team's organizational philosophies when they go into the draft because everybody does it a little bit different and there's not one way to say oh like this is the best way to do it now there are

ways you know there are things that all of us believe right I mean you we know that you're an ageist and and there's again most people would say that that is that is the right way to go about it but that doesn't mean that there aren't old players that come to the league that find success and it changes by position right so you know older quarterbacks not to an extent not necessarily that's not a huge anchor on their draft status. Big Brandon Whedon fan. That's what I mean.

Like there's extremes to it. But, you know, I think it's interesting because you look around the league and some teams have very, you know, headstrong philosophies on things, right? Like the Dallas Cowboys, it was a 15-year span from 2004 to 2019, so leading into the pandemic when things kind of changed in the pre-draft process a little little bit. Every single first round pick they bought in from that 15-year span, except for like Moe Claybourne and DeMarcus Ware, they bought in for 30.

So it's like, okay, that's a good sign. If they bring in somebody for a 30 visit, that's good. That's legitimate interest in their first round pick. Eagles have been that way recently, right? Recently, right. And so there are things that you can say, you know, that you point to and say like, okay, like that is something that we can look at. The Cleveland Browns under this regime here with Andrew Barry.

They have selected 18 players on the first two days of the draft since Andrew Barry has been there. They've taken almost exclusively underclassmen from Power 5 schools. Okay. Two players didn't fit that bill. They were seniors. Zach Zinter this year, Cedric Tillman last year. And one of those,

actually the third guy was Alex Wright, and he was the only non-power five-five guy. He was a five-star accruited Florida who transferred down to the way B. Right? So you can look at all of these things. Okay, like, again, this is generally how they feel about it. And look,

they will say, you know, the Cleveland Browns, you know, I know Andrew Berry says in a press conference this year, like, yeah, I wouldn't say that that's our philosophy. That's just kind of how things have fallen. But as time goes on,

and you kind of see like, all right, like this is the identity of what they want to be. But what I think is really interesting is that you kind of have to take all of that within the, the snapshot of where a team is in a current stage of their build. The timeline. The timeline, right? So if a team is early on in their, look, year one, we had a bunch of year one GMs and head coaches this year, right? So you look at Washington, they made eight picks this year, I believe. Five of those guys were team captains.

Do I think that that is going to sustain? if it's going to be 2027 and when you're looking at what the Washington commanders are going to do and they have seven picks am I going to think that they're going to take four or five captains that year probably not right that's not but you sort of saw that in there the videos that they put out of like from the draft room like they need their they need their culture building foundational players right the guys who are going to set the what this team is all about right that that does seem to be a for good or bad like a trope for teams that are starting from scratch exactly and so and then And also, you know, let's take the Cleveland Browns, for instance, right?

Let's say the Cleveland Browns, they have another big year this year. They go to the playoffs, okay, you know, behind their strength of their offensive line, led by the center of Michael Dunn. So they move forward into the playoffs. And, you know, let's say they come up just short and they're like, oh, you know what, we're really missing speed on offense. Well, let's say they get into the draft and it's day two. And there's a senior from a group of five school who's the fastest guy on the board. They could go away from what their profile is because. hey, you know, we are on the doorstep of competing for a Super Bowl.

We need speed. We're going to go away from that. And so, you know, I always think about that as we're going immediately after the draft and there's the draft grades and all that comes out. And, you know, I could do draft grades article and say like, oh, this is how I felt about this player or that player. So I'm going to give this team an A or a B. Or I can look at it by philosophy.

Hey, this is what I believe to be good practice when it comes to selecting players in the draft. I think this team did it right and this team didn't do it right. This team traded up and only had three picks and drafted. old guys that didn't test well, so I'm going to give them an F, right? But I think you have to kind of take it within the snapshot, again, of where they are within their build. Again, when you have some GMs that are there for a long time, you look at Howie Rosen, you look at John Schneider, you look at Jason Light down in Tampa Bay, guys that have been

there for, you know, 10 plus years, that philosophy is going to change. You're going to see, like, ebbs and flows to the kinds of players that they bring in, and that might change because of the coaches they bring in, because often the coaches are very involved in the pre-draft process and who they want, the kinds of players they want. And so just having an understanding of that, I think is what makes it less about, all right, let's look at the trends, look at the numbers and more like an art form of trying to project, project who teams are going to take. So like the, the bottom line is the timeline of contention is something that maybe we are, we are not thinking about quite as much.

Or at least the, if it's not contention, but like the culture that they're building, like the, the chargers, I know you have a good stat on. Yeah, the chargers. So the chargers, I think is another good example where again they had I think nine picks this year and they took seven players that their coaches coached in college last year seven of nine seven of not like an extreme amount and it's like okay like Joe all you know they had they had coaches all they have coaches on the staff that were in with Notre Dame last year right and so it's not just oh you know Harbaugh went and got Michigan guys it's you look up and down that staff and to me like the you know we know it's just like any other business it's a people business right so it might be you know what um someone's

got a close relationship with somebody in the building or it's just hey you know what our defensive backs coach uh was in noted at noted aim last year saw joe all every single day knows exactly what he brings to the table uh and didn't see much behind him but did see him say he saw him from from a distance uh and he went and pounded the table for him uh over the course of the pre draft process yeah i did not do that justice uh but i think when you look at uh you know that i think is another big part of the decision making process i mean i think about this with the eagles too uh you know the seriani first year it's it's devante smith and lany dickerson and then the next year it's the the georgia guys and it's like they're trying to build that that championship culture yep and then this year

you can maybe depart from that just a little bit um yeah i think that i think that is interesting but but it's funny too because what was one of the questions and i forget who asked the question uh so forgive me and you may remember but it was one of the questions in the night one press conference after the quinion mitchell pick was oh you guys took a player from toledo wasn't someone from georgia or from Alabama like what well when the when the Eagles took devante Smith that was a big that was a departure was like oh like we haven't taken a player for the SEC and so long right right that's kind of what I was speaking to in terms of how you're going to see ebbs and flows uh with how a team kind of addresses that and sometimes there's something to it and sometimes it's just kind of how yeah i guess

i mean that's the thing right is that the the real way to evaluate what the teams care about would be if we got to see their whole board yes right like the picks just happened to be a pretty small sample size. Now over a longer period, you get a little bit more signal with with a guy like Harry Roseman, but that's the other thing is that you're trying to over probably evaluate just a little bit of noise without knowing exactly what what their full picture looks like. And we've talked about two of those big factors. Again, we'll go back to the Brown's example because it's so extreme where, you know, let's say there's a senior on the board who ran well and oh, like our receivers coach was actually there with this player and knows him really well

and can speak really high of him. All right, well, because he's a senior and he's an upper classman, we're going to take him. You know what I mean? Like, there's, there are just those examples, like, littered throughout.

But I also think you can get in trouble with that. Like, just, right? Like, just because, you know, your, your assistant D. Bax coach can speak to the guy a little bit, doesn't mean that you should overvalue that. It's like the, it's like, oh, this guy had a good workout.

Like, okay. Well, I think that it's a good workout for it. Like, like, what are you talking about? What are scouts trying to do, right? Scouts are, you can go in and they talk to, you know, all the coaching, you know, as many coaches and as many resources as you can inside the building. Well, if you have someone that was inside the building, they've got that firsthand knowledge. And so they can speak to, hey, you know what?

Like, hey, I worked with this guy. Maybe I didn't work hands on with him every day. But, you know, you're in staff meetings. You're in there every single day. Like, you know, you have a good sense of what that guy is or isn't and what he can bring to your team. Yeah. And I think it's funny. I was thinking about this with the NBA draft the other night in addition to the workout things.

I was listening to a podcast and they were like, They were so confused about the thunder taking Nicola Topich. Because they're like, well, they've already got so many guys who are on the ball. What do they need another guy who handles the ball for? Like, we're talking about a guy who's like two years away to begin with. Who knows what their roster is going to look like? In a draft where, like, everyone's saying it's bad. Why wouldn't you just take the best player and you figure it out?

And I know that we're talking. We're worried about the fit with Jared McCain with Tyrese Maxie. But like, if you think he's going to be a better player than Dalton Connect, they have nobody on the roster. Wouldn't you just take the better player? And so, like, not exactly the same thing, but when you talk about the Browns maybe going to draft a speed receiver from a, you know, a non-power-five school just because they need speed, I think sometimes you can overrate, like, short-term need. It's the same thing that the Eagles will explain away the Jill and Rager over Justin Jefferson pick. Like, we thought we needed a guy to win on the outside and we needed speed on the outside.

Like, this is your opportunity. This is like the marketplace to just add the best players to your team. I think that oftentimes fit in both drafts can be overstated. Yeah, and I'd say I was listening to a podcast today. They were talking about, you know, teams around the league. And, you know, a coaching change can happen like that. And so if you're drafting just something for something specific on one side of the ball, and, you know, if that change, if those circumstances change

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Target, Sprouts, Wegman, ShopRite, and Go Puff. All right, Mr. Duff Man. We've only, we got a lot of work left here. We've got seven of the categories. Rank Bank, Franz Blaine me, Duff, Duff, PASS, who've only got two off the board. Where would you like to go? I believe we've done Duff, Duff, Pass, Eagles, right?

France playing NFL. Yes. All right, so then let's keep the pattern going. Let's go, Rank Bank. Is that it? Rank Bank, other. Okay. Yeah, you've done a perfect, Tic-Tact.

here. All right, let's do it. All right, this is, we tease this in the front. Breakfast sandwich. Oh, beautiful. Okay. I want you to rank the meats on a breakfast sandwich. Now, before we even get to the meats, yeah, how would you rank the four components of a breakfast sandwich in how important they are from the bread, the cheese, the meat, and the egg? Okay. Bread, meat, egg cheese in that order. Okay. I would put egg too. I agree that the bread is the most important.

Bread is most important. Then, egg and meat are, I think, I would agree. Egg and meat are close. Because because if the egg is done poorly, then we're in bad shape. And I can accept many different kinds of meat. And sometimes you don't even need meat. Sometimes just the egg and cheese is going to do the trick.

Do you have a preference in terms of the structure of the egg? I do. Now, I think the best is a number. nice, thin folded scramble bag. Oh, you're like a thin fold. A thin fold is ideal

because then you can put the cheese in the fold and it all melts together. That's great. I also, I don't mind a, I don't mind a fried egg. Yep.

I mean, I like most eggs, but it's got to, it's got to, I think there's certainly a baseline. However, it's prepared, I think I'm,

you know, non-discriminate that way. Okay. I know you did work on this. I did. I take this kind of things very seriously. So let's,

let's talk about the contenders here. Okay. We got bacon. yeah we got turkey bacon yeah oh we're going okay we're really splitting it up okay we got turkey bacon yep we got turkey sausage or we got i guess you could do turkey sausage that's what i was going back and forth i ran this by by my wife meg last night uh about the sausage versus turkey sausage okay we got pork roll pork roll yeah uh scrapple scrapple oh scraple that's a good one we got i mean you got chicken you can have chicken you get your chicken in there i actually got into an

argument with with my wife about the chicken with egg with a breakfast sandwich i don't mind I don't mind it either. She thought I was crazy. Although I actually, and here's a weird one. Chicken and egg together, if it's like a breakfast burrito, then it hits nice.

Right. The sandwich, I don't know if you want, I mean, chicken patty, that does feel a little bit. It is also a little dark. Of course it's dark.

Yeah, right. We get that. Yeah. Charizo as well. Oh, chorizo, good one. Yeah. I had the chorizo on there.

I just did five. Okay. We'll take your top five. All right. Pork. Well, let's, we'll go,

five up. We'll go five up. Okay. Okay. I think for me, I am out on this one. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not a Scrapple guy. And I, which I know can be blasphemous for this region, um, but I've tried it multiple times throughout my life. Yeah. Yeah. I've tried it multiple times throughout my life. It's just not for me. Um, I, I, I don't disagree that in a breakfast sandwich, I'm so sure that I'm right. I don't, I don't mind like, you know, a little breakfast platter and have some scrapple. Yeah. Um, it's got a, it's got a, it's got a, it's got a low floor. Yeah. Oh, for sure. It's got a low floor.

It's got a, there's a variance there. I actually, I don't know that it's the, it's got the highest ceiling either. So I don't, I don't totally disagree with the scrap will take, but I don't mind a scramble. Okay. Once, you know, probably, probably once or twice a year. Okay. Number four.

Now, I put this in here at four, because I would actually, if we're just talking blankly about breakfast meats, then I would have this higher. But in terms of breakfast sandwich, just because you don't typically see it in a breakfast sandwich, I would go chorizo. If it's a, you know, Hui, Rancheros and omelette, scrambled eggs, you get chorizo mixed in there. I think it's more common. You typically don't see like full on chorizo like patty or stuff. Well, you're not going to see it in a sandwich. You might see it in a different form factor like we talked about the

burrito or something else like that. But yeah, in a sandwich, you're probably not getting a lot of which is why I had it for. But it does. It's bringing a little heat. Right. I love chorizo. Okay. So I would have this higher probably number two on my list otherwise. Number three, I just think it's the high variance of bacon. Um, I think you can, you have bacon that's not that well done. It is high variance. No doubt about it. And so that's why I have bacon at three.

You get a noodley piece of bacon. Yeah. What are we doing here? That thing is done. Right. Yeah. You throw that in the garbage. But you get a nice thick,

crispy bacon. It's outstanding. It would be number two, if that were the case. Maybe number three behind a good chorizo. Number two for me, because I'm keeping it in the fairway here, sausage. And we'll say pork sausage, turkey sausage, whole deal. I put sausage at number two. Now we're talking sausage.

Addie, I presume? I am fine. Honestly, like, if there's a breakfast sandwich where it's like the sausage link split in half and put on top, like I'm okay there. I actually like all forms of sausage. I don't want a sausage link breakfast sandwich. I don't mind about sausage link breakfast sandwich.

Yeah, I don't mind it. It's changing up, it's changing up the layering too much. Yes, that's correct. And it can slip and slide. It depends on the roll. It depends on the vessel that we're discussing. What's your top? Well, I was going to spin that back of you as the vessel conversation.

But number one for me is pork roll. Like the texture, I love the, it's got the right level of saltiness. I'm a big pork roll fan. And it's not maybe not the best for me, but I love a pork roll. I mean, the pork roll is great for breakfast. We didn't talk about ham either. Some people like a ham. Yeah.

But yeah, you get the thin, you get the crisp. I don't know that I'm willing to stake my reputation on it at number one. But it's, it is, it is very good. You're number one. I don't know. I mean. Something's got to be there. Yeah.

You know, I do like, I don't know that I would make it number one, but I would say the one that I go to very often is the turkey bacon. I like a turkey bacon. Okay. Because you get the crisp and it is a little bit of a thinner variance. Right. As long as you get it, you know, on the grill. Not quite as greasy.

Not quite as greasy. Yeah. Okay. You want to ask me about that? All right. So I was going to spin this back to you. We don't need to power rank this, but your favorite vessel for a breakfast sandwich. So you're talking.

Yeah. I thought a lot about this. Yeah, biscuits, bagel, English muffin, toast. We'll say rye, right, right, white, or, you know, however you want to go there. A wrap, a croissant, or a sweet roll. Well, you didn't even give me just a regular deli roll. You're sure you do the deli roll as well. Deli rolls number one.

That is easily number one. Well, see, that's the thing now. I feel like the sausage links work great with the deli roll. Well, maybe. Yeah. I think biscuit, I actually don't like a biscuit breakfast. There's variance with the biscuits. And the biscuit, all you taste is biscuit.

Yeah. You're not getting enough of the meat and the egg and the cheese and the taste of the biscuit. Toast, love a piece of toast, but toast is towards the bottom as well. I would agree. I mean, I do like a bagel. Bagel would probably be, probably be two. A wrap or a breakfast taco is three or four. The roll is number one for sure.

What did I miss in there? Cuisant. I don't like a croissant. I mean, I like a croissant, but I don't like a croissant sandwich because it's similar. You're mostly tasting the croissant. Yeah. Although I will say there's the place, ABP,

artisan boulanger, patisserie, they do a very good croissant breakfast sandwich. So, you know, if you're getting a good one, you can roll with it. And then what am I forgetting? I put the sweet rolls in there as well,

English muffin. I like an English muffin. I mean, certainly the sausage egg and cheese, the McMuffin from McDonald's, A1 in the fast food. It's in there. Breakfast sandwich game,

easily the top. And that's the, and that form factor of egg, like, hmm, you got the circular. Yes. The paddy. Yeah. That's good, but you got to trust it.

Roll number one for me. Whether that's a Kaiser roll or just like a, you know, like a little poppy seed role. Yep. That's the top. I'm not a poppy seed guy. What about a hero role? Like a. I mean, I don't know what a hero roll is, but, yeah.

A hoagie roll, yeah. A boge roll. Yeah, I mean, that's a, that's a big boy. Yes. You maybe want to split that one up. Yeah. That's a wah-wa situation. there for sure but sweet a sweet role I'm a big fan of a sweet roll like a you know you get like a what like a

king's Hawaiian yeah like a King's Hawaiian like my wife does for for holidays we'll do like the the sweet the Kings Hawaiian thing you know and it's like the the sauces the egg and the cheese and it goes in the oven it's outstanding okay all right that'll do it for the beach all right so that was good discussion yeah that was rank bank other so let's go rank bank let's go back to the Eagles here. Ranked Bank Eagles. Okay, this is the teaser at the top here. Do you think this has a chance to be the best secondary of your time covering the Eagles, Fran? I think it's got a chance to be, certainly, I think it's certainly the deepest in terms of young talent. I mean, when you, the construction of it is so much different than we have seen. Yeah. I mean, just going back,

so my first season with the Eagles was 2011. I got there summer of 2011, Jason Kelsey's rookie year, you're part of the dream team yeah the dream team season you're the longest lasting now member of the dream team which is right thank you yeah I guess that might I guess BG PG predated you so you're second BG yeah BG yeah BG got there 2010 BG was coming off the ACL I remember that summer

but yeah I mean going back and looking at those depth charts last night and this morning there were some dark times when you get into like the 2014 and 2015 it was 2016 it was tough but I think when you look at the, I'm fascinated to watch it in training camp and watch it unfold because you just have so many young guys. You're like, okay, like I feel good about this guy being on the roster and he's going to compete

for legitimate playing time. You're looking at Quinnian-Mitchellee Ringo came on obviously last year, but then you've seen flashes from guys, Josh Joe, Eli Ricks, you know, Zach McPherson. You know, he's coming off the injury. Like, what does Zach going to look like here this year? You have established veterans in Big Place Slay. You've got Avanti Maddox. It's a fascinating second.

And that's just a corner. I'm not even talking about safety. Yeah, Isaiah Rogers. That had great moments this spring. So how much of that transitions over to the summer? We know how, like, quickly some of these things can fizzle out in terms of storylines, right? So, you know, if what we saw in the spring carries over to, what is it now, three weeks from now, four weeks from now, whatever it is, sorry, to ruin your Friday. But it's, you know, however, under a month from now, how much of that carries over, it's got the makings of what should be, certainly a, certainly a.

fun group to watch but it's look at db like there's going to be ups and downs and with oh and that's when you watch those guys um some guys come in and they have that first year and they are lights out and then year two maybe they fall off a little bit you look at um the tarik woolen from seattle yeah uh you know he was pretty sure he got all pro votes as a rookie in 2022 uh and then last year was not as kind to him right but so at that position you're going to take your lumps that's very similar to the offensive line um so when you look at quinion you look at cooper d'ijin uh certainly when you look at keely wringo right you look at some of these young guys, they're going to have their ups and downs,

but the young talent in that group, I think is fascinating. And I think what makes it different is the depth, right? Like the answer to the best one of your time is probably 22, right? Probably better than 17. You know, Slay and Bradbury both playing at such a high level. Maddox was healthy for the most part. CJ Gardner Johnson played at the high level,

and Marcus Epps says the fifth was competent. But you look at the depth there. Yeah, like they needed to get lucky. with health. Obviously, you can't expect Quiney Mitchell to play at 2022 James Bradbury level, right? But because they have so much depth, it is different. And we've talked about this a little bit. It doesn't quite work out because there is still so much investment, both money and pick equity in the guys up front. But the way that the team seems to be built a little bit back to front is something of a departure from the way that Harry Roseman has built teams before. It seems like

they are a little bit like cushioned against injury in the secondary. And if Sidney Brown comes back on time, then they've even got what seems like a solid top three in the back end. Yeah. And what kind of role can James Radbury play if he is on the roster

through the summer and into the fall? And I think when you look at his potential versatility, him getting those reps inside last year, I think can speak to a potential transition of safety. I know that's been talked about here this spring. So watching Bradbury what he looks like here this summer in a few weeks from now I think also a big part of what the secondary will look like as a rounds in the form. All right. You've got rank bank NFL, Fran Splain Me, Eagles and Miscellaneous and Duff Duff, Pass, NFL and Miscellaneous.

Let's go Duff Duff, pass NFL. If you had to guess what year do you think Derek Brown will go into Canton? All right. So he came out in, was it a 28th? 2018 when he came out, right? Because he just got paid last year. So you figure he's got like six years left. And what is it? Six years after.

Five years, five years. If he's going to be first ballot. Yeah. He's a good player. He's a very good player. I don't, you know,

but I, so what I love, first of all, I loved the episode yesterday on Thursday. If you haven't listened to it, make sure you go back and listen to the All Pro draft that you and Zach did. Yeah.

Love the execution of it. I am so, you mentioned it in show that you wish you guys, or maybe you guys, should have done it beforehand and then talked through it. Right. Don't ever do that because just the anguish in Zach's voice as he may as he says to and then as I mean, you could just tell the it goes back to, you know, the drafts you guys

have done in the past where he's immediately regretting taking, you know, Trey Thomas number one. There's just the immediate regret. Yeah, the immediate regret would be missing if you guys did this before. Now I do have to say I have to come clean. Borderline disqualifying because I accidentally drafted two giants. Oh. I miscalculated which team I hadn't used at the end. I had taken Brian Burns as my defensive flex,

but I thought that the Giants were the last one left over for stadium. So retroactively, he would make the Chargers. I never drafted the Chargers. So ironically, I would be getting SoFi Stadium, favorite place. So a huge Moa Culpa for me on that front. But otherwise, I think it was pretty clear that I took it down. Yeah, I would tend to agree.

I do like the, it's probably best as a three-person exercise. size moving forward. I think that's fair. Because then you can't just like, you know, he can't just wait on Josh Allen or like, then there's a little bit more impetus to draft the from the teams. And it's maybe a little bit better reflection of their depth. There are plenty of great players and great teams and to have a third person in there, I think would add to it. But it was also fun to to have some mechanism for like blocking. Yes. Right. Like if I could draft Dalton Kincaid to so then he can't get a Buffalo Bill's player or something like that. So I was making, I was making dinner last night listening to the episode on podcast form. And I was a little cloudy on the rules

going in. And I thought that you had the ability to block him. So as his weight, he hasn't taken Josh Allen yet. I was wondering, where are you going to take Dalton Kincaid or, you know, Dionne Dawkins or someone like that. That would have been, that would have been excellent. Okay. If you had to, if you had to add one non-eagle to the Eagles, who would you add? One non-quarterback, let's say. It's kind of any, I know, yeah, that's tough one. Probably, probably Miles Garrett or. in Jefferson. Just a blue chip. Exactly.

Yeah. Okay. All right. Franzplain me. Eagles, rank bank NFL or France Blaine me or duped up past. Let's go. Let's go.

Franzplain other. We'll keep the pattern going here. Okay. You're something of a low key. And I don't know if people know this about you, Fran. Okay. Something of a low key gardening maven. Oh, a little bit.

Yeah. How are things looking these days? Crops are looking pretty good. Okay. So I got into this when we first moved into our, we moved into our house after got married, 2016. and there was a veggie garden out back. And we dabbled growing up.

Like my parents had like tomatoes out back, tomatoes and peppers. And so got into doing it then a little bit and helping out. And so this was my first time doing it back then. And so now we're eight years later. And we're in our second house. And I've got the people that lived there before. I mean, outstanding job like the hardscaping, the landscaping. So there's a lot of garden beds.

And so last year was our first season. in the growing season in the house. And so I didn't treat it quite as serious. I was like, I put some stuff in the ground, but I was like, all right, let's just see what comes up. And so this year,

it was a little bit more strategic with it. So we've got a couple different kinds of tomatoes, a few different, I think three, three different kinds of peppers back there. Raspberrys, blueberries, strawberries. Nice. Tomatios.

What else I have? Green onions. Yeah, we got a bunch of stuff back there. Which one is like your pride and joy? I love, I love growing peppers. And I'll tell you what, I did the tomatios for the first time last year.

And I found I was using them all the time. You know, last night. Well, honestly, I didn't even do salsa verde. But it was even like, oh, I'm making eggs in the morning. Nice. Some of those who throw the tomatios in. You know, I did toastadas last night as I was listening to the all pro draft. Did toastadas.

That would be an excellent. I don't have any tomatios yet. They're still coming in. But that would be an excellent thing. Like, oh, I've got tomatios. I'll throw some of those in there. So yeah. No, it's going well.

What do you do if you guys are away for a few days to take care of the watering? So we're doing that next week. So we're going on vacation next week. And so it is a little bit of an undertaking for the person that is taking care of the house. So my mom is going to come in. I tried to keep the instructions pretty simple. Yeah. But one thing that I have done, and I found myself to be very, I thought this was pretty creative when I first did it a few years ago.

Some PVC pipe. All right. Okay. So we're getting into it. This is what we're getting into the France plan. So some PVC pipe, I cap it off on the bottom, drill a couple holes in, and I put that into the dirt next to the plant. Okay. And basically the watering, the water, you know, if you're watering a plant, obviously just got to go into the soil, all that stuff.

This is a direct shot right to the roots. Okay. And so what I found is that, A, I can water less because it's getting a direct shot. It's getting more water. Right. per watering session. And then also... And like, it'll sort of self-regulate, right?

Like, it will only release when it needs. So really, it depends on how well I put the PVC into the dirt. So I would say I did it for like... How good would you say you are at laying pipe, Fran? Was this a puff up to pass? No, this is a France plane. So to me, like, depending on how well I put the PVC into the dirt, sometimes it will work where it is a slow, slow drip into the...

So, like, actually, for the Roma tomatoes right now, it is a slow drip. So I'll go back there and try and fill it up. And I only have, like, an inch worth of space of water. I put that a little inch in, and now it's set for a few days. But, but, yeah, it's fun. I usually do corn. We didn't do corn this year. Corn's fun.

I enjoy doing corn. And what is the, is there a, like a vermin or something that is the bane of your existence? Oh, yeah. Last year it was Groundhogs. Okay. The Groundhogs got me good last year. I put like eight stalks of corn in the ground and they one day. Really?

I literally, the next morning I came out and they were almost all gone. And so I had to build a structure around it. We did not, I didn't have any of the raised beds or anything built last year because it was our first year in the house. This year it's been deer. Ooh. And they've got,

they got me twice. They once actually this morning. And what did they get? The tomatoes. Bad. This morning I went out. And the first thing I saw was the, the proof that they were in the yard was a pile of,

of excrement in the corner, saw that first, and then looked over to tomatoes and they were like leveled out and I was pretty angry. I'm sorry. Yeah, so you came in.

We're in the process of figuring that out. We got us a couple of super chats. Oh, okay. A threat level midnight says Ospreys when. And Shay says, when are the Ospreys? Oh. It's a good question.

It's a good question. We're thinking about it. We're thinking about it. It might be, uh, I don't know. I don't have a good answer for you. We're thinking about it.

The Eve of training camp. I don't think that Julia knows what the Ospreys are. And she's been seeing the comments about it for a very long time. And you haven't broken the news. There's not a lot of time to spit it in. But, you know, we here for you. Okay. I will, I hear the plea.

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I know better than to not keep track with you. As, I mean, Zach is going to rightfully should get on you about the Giants, uh, chargers mix up from yesterday. Yeah, totally. Yeah, absolutely. All right. Uh, let's go with the eagle, last Eagles topic, uh, France playing Eagles.

Franz, plain Eagles. Okay. Uh, a lot of talk consternation about like how, uh, how shallow the Eagles are at wide receiver, right? Like, you know, you've got the top two guys, but we don't know who's going to be the third wide receiver in this team. And that seems to be, uh, countered by, okay, well, Sequin Barker's going to be a big part. of this passing game.

And we've heard that before, not necessarily seen it in action with Jalen Hertz. This is a different offense. Kellen Moore has had Tony Pollard as a major factor as a receiver out of the, out of the backfield. Fran explained me on just the running back in the passing game. Okay? Like, do we overstate the importance of that?

And what are the complicating variables of counting on that and making it a successful weapon in the offense? to answer one of those questions I think people do tend to over emphasize the importance that I think that you know it's just like everything else there's no magic bullet to offensive success and there's a lot of different ways to go about it you know I think when you look at one thing I did before he came on just looking at top 10 teams in terms of EPA per pass last season okay so the 10 most efficient past games from a year ago only three of them ranked in the top 15 of running back targets in the past game great love that.

So it's not like, oh, you know, like this is a great pathway to offensive success. Do you have the three that they were? Yeah. So it was. I'm guessing San Fran. San Fran was not. Oh, interesting. New Orleans was in there.

They were the third most and they were ninth from EPA per pass last year. Detroit was six. They had the ninth most targets. And Miami was fifth in offensive EPA for EPA from a pass standpoint. Eighth with running back targets. So, you know, none in the top four. Yeah. That does make sense.

So like if it's just targets, if you're throwing to your running back a lot, chances are you don't have good receivers. And just look, I mean, there are a lot of ways that running backs can get targets in a past game. And if you're running back is getting targets, what does that mean in terms of like who isn't getting the ball or who isn't taking advantage of trying to see a big play? And I think there are a lot of ways that you can explain around the running backs not getting targets in a past game, you know, one way. And like Tampa Bay, I'm pretty sure Tampa Bay was first.

Tampa Bay, I believe, was first in total targets of the running back position a year ago. But they were, look, they were, they were 21st in screens. So it wasn't like, oh, yeah, they're throwing a lot of running back screens. It was, I will tell you, it was a lot of checkdowns to the running back. So when, you know, quarterback drops back and he's looking at who he wants to throw the football to and the play is covered up and he goes in a scramble situation mode, do you want your quarterback to check down to the back or do you want him to try and create and either do something with his legs or run around and try and create something downfield.

He's going to be a big game hunter that way in the past game. We know that's kind of what Jalen Hertz has been. Yeah, that's my question is, is Jalen Hertz's statistical aversion to throw into the running back because he doesn't like doing that or because oftentimes what would be those checkdowns is him breaking the pocket. Yeah, him scrambling and either creating something with his legs or, you know, rolling around. Who was the Buffalo last year where he rolled to his left and hit Zakias in the end zone? for the big play touchdown like uh if you know if it's baker mayfield going back to tampa bay uh that ball might be a dump off to whoever the running back was in that situation to dandre swift or

kenny gainwell and maybe that goes for three yards um you know so i think when you look at running back targets uh you could say hey you know what like the eagles could incorporate more running back screens into the past game but again that's not necessarily like this uh an easy button for success either so um i think when you look at uh how running backs get targets the player is as important as anything else. And not every running back has created equal in terms of their usage, in terms of how they can address the ball in coverage. We've seen a variety of ways for Sequan Barkley to be able to get the ball in space

over the course of his career and other running backs. And I think that when you're looking at it, yeah, like some of it, basically there's three different ways that running backs are going to get the ball in the past game. There's checkdowns, there's the screen game. And then there's designed plays for the back out of the backfield, you know, whether it's the Texas routes we saw from Darren Sprouls or something even more. it's more so down the field, whether it's wheel routes or, you know, the sail routes from the backfield, right? That's not something we have necessarily seen from the Eagles in the last

five, six, seven years. But when you add a player like Sequin Barclay, you bring in a new play caller in Kellan Moore, who, like you said, does have experience getting the ball to the back in the past game. Could we see more of that? I think that that's something that is certainly on the table with this what do you think is Sequin Barclay's strong suit as a receiver? I mean, I think first off is the the height weight speed makes him. a tough matchup out of the backfield. And his ability is to kind of outrun linebackers. And if he's running a wheel route,

if he's running down the seam, he's got that ability to win that matchup against most linebackers. And so that makes you, but also his hands at the catch point, we're also very, very good. So typically when you see running backs that have been good kick returners

over the course of their time, that is like a, that's a good sign that guy's got ability to track the ball, be reliable bringing it in. You know, I know, when I did that piece for Deshawn Jackson back in, back earlier in this in the off season. Yes, what a piece that was.

Thank you. Thank you. I was talking with Jason Avant. And he said that the hardest ball a football player can catch is a punt return. Like that is the hardest ball to catch on a football field. And I think that that can apply to the running back position in kick returns as well. It's just, you know, that's that shows a guy's ability to be able to track it and find it. And we know Seekwan Barkley going back to college was a very strong kick returner as well. And so, you know, he's got the ability to be an impact player in the past game.

but that then comes down to the usage. Are those kind of plays going to be put into the offense and then being able to go out and execute those plays? And look, the other part of it too is that we know that a big piece of the passing game pie is going to go to AJ Brown. A big piece of the passing game pie is going to go to Devonte Smith. Another chunk is going to go to Dallas Goddard. And so, you know, divvying up that pie,

some of those dropbacks are going to be Jalen Hertz runs, right? So splitting up that pie then just becomes tough to do. At the same time, just mathematically, like, if you've got five eligible receivers or four eligible eligible eligible, eligible receivers going out on routes, you know that like the mapping of it. You need the defense to respect those other options. And that has been a problem, I think, with the offense.

It certainly was last year. And so whether it's Sequin Barclay or it turns out to be one of these other receivers or it's Grant Calcutera, like I think that they need to do something more with whoever turns out to be, you know, option number four. And I will say, like, that is what excites me most about Sequin Barkley is that he goes, you know, and, you know, like I do a ton of work on the upcoming opponent for the Eagles for the Eagles every single week in season. So, you know, I'll go through and I'm watching a bunch of tape and, you know, writing out notes for our Eagles game plan crew. And it's like, this is the player, you got to stop, you know, doing the work on the podcast.

Preparing for the Giants every single year when it's like our keys to victory for the Eagles on defense, it's like, you have to stop Seeklein Barclay. number one he goes from that being the issue you know he's he being the number one guy on the top of the scouting report to number four yeah that's true that's very that's a very intriguing possibility for the eagles here in this offense is that you're introducing a blue chip talent who no longer is the focal point and now could be a more of a complimentary piece in a past game and a run game that is very fun all right NFL rank bank or miscellaneous duff duff pass let's go the last rank bank here NFL okay you and i Fran forged in the fires,

the content fires of NFL team website. That's where we met. Philanofeagles.com. July of 2011. He said before you remember the first time you ever met. I remember the first time I laid eyes on you. What a memory. Yeah.

Give me the top three non-Eagles team like website content teams. Obviously non-Eagles with the Eagles being number one. Number one. I mean, just look at the coaching tree. No question. Pentacles. Very difficult because this is something where, A, we've seen a lot of growth across the

league, certainly since, you know, 2011 since we were both. Eagles way out of the front early on. Very much so. Yeah. And there are a lot of ways that you can define this, right? There's social media presence. There's like the studio analysis, news coverage. And then there's like the access behind the scenes coverage.

So, you know, if you're looking strictly social team, you say like, oh, what the chargers do is so much fun and so edgy and it's it's very good um is you're looking at like studio stuff like i think the vikings do a really good job i think the bears do a really good job i think the raiders do a really good job with like studio space and coverage and the way it looks the way it sounds access the colts do excellent work we've seen their draft pieces the cardinals i think do an excellent have done an excellent job um you know the browns the ravens do a really good job all around but if i want to say like all right like top three well-rounded like who does the best job outside of the eagles Number three, I'd go the Jets.

Interesting. I think the Jets, in terms of the multifaceted approach, they do really good access stuff. And they're also, I think their news coverage, their interview stuff is also very, very good. I think Eric Allen does a great job, not the former Eagle, Eric Allen, but I think EA does an outstanding job up there. And their access stuff is also strong. They do, they have great studio stuff. Their studio overlooks the practice field. It's a really good look.

Yeah, I would say the Jets number three. Do they get to go behind the scenes with RFK Jr? I don't think so. That might still be coming. Maybe we'll see, yeah. The Jaguars at number two. Oh, interesting. I think the Jagu's for the same reason.

And again, like, I think it's just the multifaceted approach. It's not just one area where I would say, oh, yeah, their acts and stuff is the best or their social team is the best. But their ability to kind of hit the ozone. Yeah, everything. John Oshra does a great job. You know, they've got a really good team down there. And it's not the biggest team in the world is the thing, too. It's not like, oh, they have a huge staff, but I think they maximize everybody they've got down there.

And then the other one, I would say is Dallas Cowboys. You know, I think the, I think the volume is insane, like the amount of stuff they do. And there's pros and cons to that. But the sheer volume, I think the look of everything, the analysis is very good. Because people, you know, I mean, you know this. People will often say, oh, the internal media, you know, they don't speak negative about the team. Like, I would argue against that. But I think that you just look at the.

Cowboys, you say, like the stuff that they have said and put out, like, you know, they are there, they are not willing to or not afraid to do it. I have said this before. There's a. The scale of the bad things about Jerry Jones are very, very heavy and there's not a lot on the good side. But to his credit, he has always cared about the, uh, the team content and making it somewhat independent. Yes. And also like the access. They go to huge, uh, extends to keep that separate for, to, you know, for their benefit, like that to make sure that they are viewed as a media entity.

All right. Duff, Duff, Pass, Miscellaneous. We're closing it out. What are Francis, little Francis, the shows that he's watching, the movies that he's watching. We're going to get real duff, tough, tough, pass it here, okay? Okay. I want you to, I want you, well, tell us what they are first. So my son is five, so the table that way. So just turned five.

We just finished a huge stretch where Teenage Union Ninja Turtles was on the TV every single day. Netflix has a couple different series on there and he was watching it. He's watched a one series front to back like four or five times consecutively. He's moving into a huge Pokemon phase right now. Okay. So I would say from the like show and movie standpoint, he was very big into like the Super Mario Brothers movie that just came out. So we watched that a bunch of times. I would say right now the last couple of months, those are probably the top three.

All right, here's my Duff Duff PASS question for you. Okay. Of all the shows or movies that Francis watches, if you had to live, in any of the realities of those shows, which one would it be? Man. I would think like the Pokemon thing would be fun. Oh, you could have a bunch of creatures running around and have like a bunch of magical powers and stuff. Yeah.

That'd be pretty cool. The Teenage Dungeons Things wouldn't have an impact on me. Like they live up in New York City. Like it's four turtles living in the sewers. Yeah, but when shredder could be, you know, reeking havoc. Yeah, but that's all local up there. That's not impacting me. Wow.

the Super Mario Brothers thing would also be cool for the same reason but it seems like the Pokemon of those three the Pokemon are they like are they wreaking havoc is are there bad Pokemon? I think there's like as is the case

there are bad people that are influencing those those Pokemon but I would say that there are not bad Pokemon and what the the morality of got to catch them all right like are we Are we okay with that?

I think so. Should there be free range Pokemon or we really want to like are we enslaving them? I don't know. I think from my understanding of it is that you're trying, it's a partnership.

Okay. Yeah. So it's, you know, they want to be with you as well. But it's there, it's just like, it's like being a pet owner.

Like there are bad pet owners out there. And so, you know, there are bad pet owners out there. Somebody let their dog just poop right in front of our house the other day and didn't clean up. Ah, see,

What are we doing? Car me. You live in a society. We just got back into the dog, the dog game in our house. We've had a puppy now for nine days, ten days. I don't know if you can hear the audible. From Julia back there. Her heart just grew.

Yeah. So, but it's been fun. For her, I should ask what kind of puppy. So her name is Olive. She is a, we're actually, we did a DNA test to like get the official result. but from what we understand, we got her from the SPCA, which is 10 minutes of that way, I think. In the water?

Yeah, maybe that way. Okay. But no, so if we understand, she's like half lab pit mix, half lab, half pit bull on one side, and then the other side was like some kind of terrier. So I think she's going to be like a medium-sized dog. I think kind of, it might be Jack Russell terrier just from her like color and like the kind of hair, but sweet dog so far.

again we're like two weeks in um it's been fun training francis to how on how to train the dog and he's been getting i mean the puppy gets up 536 o'clock uh in the morning and we're so and francis is up and he wants to like all right what are we doing today with the dog really it's that's been very good i was pushing back on like waiting until he got a little bit older so he could like really be the one to like do it but it's been fun julie do you have any important follow-up questions i i don't i'm not i i will share i will uh we'll do photos after How much do you feel like bad dog owners give good dog owners a bad name? I mean, they definitely can.

I mean, you know, to your example. Did you or were you a dog person growing up? Did you guys have? Yeah. Okay. So what's your opinion of dog owners then? Well, I don't have anything against dog owners. Although, I mean, some of them.

Like I complained many times about the free, like the empty, like the poop bags being left in my trash can. Oh, so you don't like that. No. Why would I like that? I mean, it's trash. No, it's not. Put it in a trash can. If it's tied up, the bag is tied up.

It's not a loose bag. It's not like there's, garbage man. It doesn't want to take a loose thing of poop. It's going to sit in the bottom of my garbage bag. How do they, they dump the can out? No, it sits in the bottom.

No. It's disgusting. Oh my God. Those people are like, like, like, I don't, I'm not saying I do it. But I'm seeing, you know, I've seen people do it. I mean, Julia. I'm with you. It's,

I see it happen all the time. I've only done it like if there's a business and I'm like in a, you know, it's like a bigger thing. There's a dumpster. Not to anyone's personal bin, but they'll do it all the time. An apartment building is like you just see.

It's, I don't do it. I've seen people do it to us and I'm not like completely aghast when it happens. I'm a gas. Yeah. No, it doesn't, I mean,

it's not like I'm going down there. I'm not living in the trash. I have to clean it up. What do you have to have to clean it up? It's a tied up. It's a tight up. Yeah, but it sinks to the bottom. It doesn't come out when they pour it.

And now I've got to clean it up. Ah, I don't know. I've never seen it. I'm telling me, that's what happens. I've never, I've never had to clean up when I've seen a other bag, you know, someone else's food bag in the,

in the trash can. Well, usually ends up on the, you know, going out with the wash. That's not how it works. How many times would you say, you've done that in your life? It happens all the time. Like, monthly,

uh, at least monthly. Wow. Yeah. It's something you need a new trash can. Absolute scourge. No, I don't need it. I need new humans. Yeah, I got it.

Which definitely is the case. We can agree with that. Yeah. All right. Well, good stuff. Yeah. Mr. Fran Duffy, where can, where can the listeners? I mean, I can't imagine that there are listeners here who don't know where to find Fran Duffy, but what would you say?

Yeah. Philadelphia Eagles.com, the Eagles YouTube page at Eagles XOs on Twitter. Yeah. That's it. Can we answer this super chat, Fran? Or is this soft limits? The question is, is the journey to the dress? podcast returning.

I would say journey the draft like we're still in a process of figuring all that out. Incomplete. Yeah, incomplete. Yeah, incomplete. We'll get back. Stay tuned. Yes. Eagles, Exos.

And check out Franz's garbage bin if you want to throw whatever loose materials you want that stink. If it's tied up in a small bag, I don't mind it. If it's tied up and we don't want stuff leaking out. I mean, that's that's bad. All right. That'll do it for this episode of the PHL Eagles podcast. Thank you once again

to Fran Duffy for spending the time with us here back on Monday at noon Brandon Lee Gouten. He's going to join me in studio. So I'm very excited about that. I will be the short one then. That'll be fun. And enjoy your weekend, everybody.

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