PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | Draft week kicks off for the Philadelphia Eagles: What does Howie Roseman have in store?

Episode Date: April 22, 2024

The NFL Draft is approaching and we’ve got you covered from all angles. At No. 22, will Howie Roseman look to trade up for a cornerback or offensive lineman? Will he stand pat for someone like Cooper DeJean or Tyler Guyton? Is there a veteran trade in the works? Les Bowen joins Zach Berman and Bo Wulf discuss what Howie Roseman’s history tells us about what to expect before playing a rousing game of Turkeys To The Draft Kingdom. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Gaines, you see the picture of Howie Roseman up on the screen, the man who will decide the fate of really just your general mental health over the next six, seven days. Bo Wolfe, Zach Berman joined in studio today by our friend, our teammate. Les Bowen, Les, how you doing? I am great, Bo. Thank you. Happy draft week, Zach, I know you're, you know, all of flitter because it's time to go.

It's fine. Yeah, I'm thrilled it's here. Been looking forward to this. have a lot more to crunch in during these next 72 hours. And then we're going to be on air. What was it from, from Baldy, 100 crunches a day or 200 crunches a day?

Whatever it is. I'm not sufficient there. Me, you'll be both, my friend. But we have about 72 hours on air as well. So we'll have a lot to discuss. And that was something that we do want to make sure we mentioned.

You can watch the draft, which with us on your screen will be live throughout the draft Thursday, Friday, and Saturday. So make sure you tune in. Right here from. Studio B, looking forward to that, and looking forward to getting the conversation going today, a little bit more big picture, less on, like, Howie Roseman's draft philosophy, some of the things that you may be gleaned from watching the availability's last week,

which you wrote about on all pHLY.com. Everybody can read that. Read Zach's continuing position previews, got the name guide up there now. I love that name guide. Which is a free one and lots of good stuff. So we got you covered. We started before the show just relitigating the Danny Watkins pick. Oh, yeah.

I don't know. It's kind of a good conversation if you want to continue it, Zach. Well, I asked less what age is too old to draft a player. And of course, because this is relevant for this year. 23. You're still, it's still, you still have players who had the COVID year. So you have six year players in college. For instance, there's a lot of 23, 24 year old prospects in this draft.

Of course, it's not 27 years old, right? So that's the joke with Danny Watkins. But when you look back at the Danny Watkins pick, because that could be constructive now, is, was the age the problem or were there intangible characteristics that he was lacking that held him back from being the player, the Eagles thought he was going to be? Well, Beau was certainly right about age. This is something Beau has been talking about for a long time. Thank you so much. And he is absolutely right. It is, you know, when you see a 24-year-old playing, it's 19-year-olds, that is something you have to look at.

But with Danny Watkins, that was a very special case. And I did a lot of, I even went to British Columbia right after they drafted in. Oh, that's a great. That's a great trip. Newspaper expense accounts are my favorite. Yeah, you know, and, you know, the guys that he worked with. Great food city. In Canawa.

Well, this was over in the wine country of British Columbia. Really, really beautiful. Now you're talking Bose language. Yeah. But, you know, I did a lot of work on that. I think he had a lot of talent. but I think you think about when things don't work out

you look back at anecdotes that seemed funny at the time and then they aren't and they become clarifying right you know Danny went to the United States to junior college to take a fire course and somebody said well why don't you're humongous

you should play football and he went out for the football team and I've forgotten the name of the junior college it's in California but Aaron Rogers played there before going to Cal yeah something like that So they were giving him the big spiel about, you know, if you play football here, you know, you could get a division one scholarship by Aaron Rogers played here. Danny's thought was, who's Aaron Roger?

Which, you know, looking back on it was, you know, he just had no background. He had never played the sport. He played at Baylor in a very simple kind of run-and-shoot type offense for Robert Griffin. He was a left tackle, so he blocked the guy in front of him who usually was. was a much less talented defensive end. He didn't have to worry about twists and games or any kind of strategy or anything. And I think he got to the NFL and it looked overwhelming to him. And he just shut down.

He just decided, no, I can't do this. And rather than retire, he just took the money until the contract was up. In fact, the Eagles. He's no dummy. He ended up in Miami, you know, after he left the Eagles. and I remember distinctly reading a piece where they had a bunch of injuries late in the season and the reporter goes up to Danny and says,

well, I guess you might be playing this week and Danny was like, whoa, I don't know about that. Pretty good. He's catching those checks, yep. CTC. You know, I mean, it's not his fault they picked him. I think that was bigger than the age. The age was, you're right,

he probably did look better than he was because he was playing as younger guys. but I really think he had the talent to play several years at a high level. He just couldn't figure it out or didn't want to figure it out. Well, I've always juxtaposed it to Jason Kelsey. And this is not to diminish Jason Kelsey's ability. Like Jason Kelsey as an athlete, world class, you know, world class center, right? And was underdrafted in the sixth round.

I think the Eagles had a fourth round grade on him. That said, Jason Kelsey, the same year as Danny Watkins, I think the persistence that Jason Kelsey had, press on physically and mentally. Yes. Was pivotal layer because invariably a rookie is going to encounter things in the NFL that they didn't in college. Right. You're playing players who are better.

There's going to be, I don't like. Jason Babins messing with your car. Yeah, but I don't like to use the term adversity in football, but there's going to be situations that test your medal. And I think Jason Kelsey was more resilient to that than Danny Watkins was. And I think in those early years in particular, that A, endeared Jason Kelsey to his teammates. And I think it had established a foundation for Jason Kelsey to build upon that Danny Watkins. Danny Watkins at the end did not have equity with his teammates.

And I think because they saw a lot of those things behind the scenes. But in the beginning, Kelsey was very protective of Danny. Kelsey really wanted Danny to succeed and was really trying to guide him through. and they were close, but eventually everybody figured out that Danny wasn't interested. And that that's the one thing in the locker room. Well, there are probably other things, but that is one thing in a locker room that you can't afford. It's for your teammates to think this guy's not all in. He's not trying.

No doubt about that. I just think that it is not either or, right? Right. As you said, you know, Jason Kelsey, obviously the want to and the perceptive. is a huge reason why he's probably going to the Hall of Fame, but he's also an incredible athlete. Exactly. Very strong for his size.

Well, I think in 2011, people didn't understand you could be 280 pounds and still be able to do the job if you were smart and you used leverage and you trained properly. I don't think that was a thing in 2011. I think people were, you know, the guy that he succeeded, Jamal Jackson weighed like 3.30. Right. Yeah. You know, I just, I think he had, he was an outlier and he really had to prove that you could do it. Yeah.

And as for Danny Watkins, I think that like all of that stuff about his like, you know, ambivalence towards being a professional football player is true. But it also is like if it's coming from the team, it's in a way like absolving them of the mistake, which was on its face a ridiculous decision at the time to take a guy who was that old. and like the whole thought process was like it's going to be plug and play. He's going to play right. He's moving sides. He's moving positions.

He's never played the game before. A guy who's played football like three years. A decision to use that as a first round picket was, but it was insane. Well, that was a horrible draft except for Kelsey. For them, yes. They made a lot of picks. Danny, Jaquan, Jarrett, Curtis Marsh. Vandervaldi.

Yeah. Not bad on the fifth round. Well, my last contribution to this would be to, uh build on what you just said the two years that i covered that i'll kind of lump together the lockout year and the covid year nothing scares football coaches and football executives more than like not having offseason programs you're right and it is it's the most overstated thing like you know we like short circuit it exactly as if first off as if the decisions may as if these these four months are going to be like the most critical thing and i've seen like i always usually

this example. Nick Foles missed most the offseason program in 2017, missed most of training camp in 2017. There was like legitimate concern going into the season as Nick Foles had enough time and he goes on and he wins the Super Bowl. So I think that those two years in particular, teams placed an outsized importance on having someone who's ready to play right away. Well, especially in 2011 because there was no free agency. Yes. And they were drafting without free agency. And you could tell it just totally screwed up their whole process. They were actually looking for drafting for position, which you never want to do, you know, even though that's the way we all discuss the draft every day.

Well, they're going to have to get a corner. You know, but that was really a searing memory for the Eagles franchise, I think, was that 2011 draft. And probably sort of a radicalizing moment for the eight. ages among us. But I do think there is some connectivity if we pivot to this year because you're talking about the same area of the draft, right? The middle 20s where there are going to be like you're going to be talking yourself into somebody.

Yes. To some degree, right? Unless you trade up and we can get to that possibility. But less, I guess how have you seen from your perspective, Howie Roseman's draft approach evolve over the years, especially in the first round? I think he's gotten much more proactive. He really wants to trade up now. I think you remember the Marcus Smith year, which is the year that empowered Chip Kelly to get Halle kicked to the other side of the building.

They sat in one spot and they had a list of guys. Six guys. And they thought they were going to get one. I think Howie was assuring him that they would get one of these guys. And teams jumped in front of them to pick guys. Things happened. They weren't expecting. And they gamed it wrong.

and they ended up trading back and taking Marcus Smith, which was, you know, even if you trade back, you don't have to take a fourth round guy. You can, there's still good players there. You know, but so he doesn't do that anymore. I mean, I'm not saying he won't trade back necessarily because I guess he did it with Dallas Goddard, right? He did, yes, 32. They needed the equity.

You know, but he has two second round picks now, so I'm not really looking for a trade back. I would look for a trade up one or two or three spots, nothing real outrageous. Although with Howie, who knows? I mean, if he decides he wants the top corner in the draft and he wants to trade next year's first round pick or something, I don't know. You know, I mean, he'll do anything. AJ Brown, did anybody see that trade coming before draft night in 2021? I sure didn't.

No. So, but I think he's pretty. proactive. He moves. He moves. He's moved in, what, three quarters of the drafts that he's had. I doubt that they actually draft at 22. He loves to play the little game of what can I get if I do this. Sure. But positional, he stayed pretty true to the organization's positional values through the years that they had during the Andy Reid years, the Joe Banner years, maybe to a fault. because I do think, although you don't pick linebackers in the first round, you do pick them in like the second and third round sometimes, and maybe they should look at that a little bit.

But, yeah, I think he's gotten better at it. They rarely have a draft where people say after the draft is over, oh, the Eagles really screwed that up. They always- Or boring. Yeah, they always rate well. Whether it really works out or not, they always, the day after, it's always, oh, I have to give the Eagles an A minus or a B plus.

Howie has figured out that you should draft players from the teams at one national championship. Nobody else in the league knows that. He used to be the PAC 10 or 12, but now he's after enough Sidney Joneses and Donnell Pomprees and so forth. Zach and I have talked about it. I agree with you that the Marcus Smith draft was a turning point for Howie. And I think he resolved once he got back that that was not going to.

to happen again. And that doesn't mean that he's going to stay, he's not going to stay put or that he's not willing to move down. But I think that he viewed that as like a, and Zach and I have talked about this, the drop off of a tier. He wants to make sure that he doesn't get left out there. And that's why I do think that like a small trade up is very much on the table here. I just don't think with those two second round picks in this draft that giving up a second round pick to move up for somebody, even if you're getting a third back is going to be worth it. And I, and I don't think that he, He is necessarily of that opinion either. Okay.

I don't really know, but I do think in this draft, usually you say there's like 15, 18, maybe 20 true first round players in a draft. You've got a potential for five quarterbacks going in the first draft. Right. That pushes people down. And a bunch of wide receivers, which is a position the Eagles, I mean, it would be nice if a great wide receiver dropped in their lap at 22, but they're not really looking for wide receivers.

I think there's, you know, it's possible that they'll have a first round graded player at 22. You know, I don't think he'll sit there and wait for it, but I think that's quite possible in this draft. I agree. Well, to that point, and I don't say this to, I guess dismiss anyone's reporting or I should say disparage anyone's reporting. And I say this every year. The easiest thing to report this week. is that Howie Roseman's on the phone looking to move up. Of course.

Because he literally, he does this every. The news story is Howie Roseman saying, guys, I'm not taking your calls. Right. I'm sitting up 22. Yeah. We are good. We're getting the guy we wanted 22. But it's also just like functionally how it has to work.

You can't hash these details out on the clock. Like you have to do the due diligence. That's where you make the things happen. Yes. In the way that leads us to want to move up, what would you want to move back? Let's hash this out now. Let's have these conversations. Like, that's, that's, that's, that's.

That's what he's doing. Exactly. That's his job. So you see these headlines like Howie's on the phone. Yes, Howie's on the phone. I'm telling you how he's on the phone. I'm not telling you this because other GMs are telling me this. I'm telling you this because.

Unless you have the first pick. Exactly. Most other GMs are on the phone too. And guess what? He's probably talking on teams behind him too. Exactly. But then to build on what both you said, Howie does like to move up.

He likes to kind of attach those fourth round picks, fifth round picks. And his view is typically you can trade back at some point and get those picks back. Or you can make up for it. Like typically you might be taking someone in the fifth round or you can sign someone in the undrafted market who you might have a fifth round grade on. That's, that's so. So to Bo's point, they've been less inclined to attach like a second round pick to move up. And I think that could be on the table, but they would really have to get, it would be to move back 30 spots. the second round like move up 10 spots in the first round move back 30 spots in the second round i i don't

think it would be a situation where they would give up where they would just give up that draft equity that makes sense that makes sense is there anyone you think sack who they would who would be worth that full draft equity well i'm going back just i know i know the talk right now is about trading up for a cornerback i don't personally think they're going to trade up for a cornerback i could be wrong uh if if they view terry and arnold or quinian as like significantly better than the next then your Cooper de Jean, Coy and McKinstree, then do that. I think they'd be more inclined to trade up for an offensive tackle or an offensive

guy. The player I keep mentioning is J.C. Latham, just from like a profile perspective, I think J.C. Latham makes a lot of sense. To Bo's point, he's one of the youngest guys in the draft or he's team's on the youngest offensive linemen. He can play day one at right guard. But if you tell me, Troy Fultano or Fouagan, or Fuego, are guys that like Jeff Stoutland really likes.

I will defer to Jeff Stoutland's judgment when it comes when it comes offensive lineman. You got it, right? So I think that they'd be more inclined to trade up for an offensive lineman. For the reasons that Dane Bruegler said on the show last week, how he will see a drop off there. They're the cornerback market. Now, unless they the top two are clearly better than everybody else, the cornerback market, you can find someone in the,

the second round, who I think they'd be happy with. I don't think the tackle market is like that. And history bears that out. Exactly. The best offensive line, the best tackles come in the first round, usually within the first 15 picks, whereas the best corners in the NFL can sort of come from all over. Yep. So that's kind of what I'm thinking going in the draft week.

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We got Sixers game two coming up tonight. Who you got tonight, Zach? I mean, I have the Sixers tonight. I thought they played well the other night or I didn't think I think the Knicks won with factors that aren't going to be hard to replicate going into this. Now Brunson is going to play better. What's that? The offensive rebound rate?

Yeah, but even, I mean, the way McBride played, heart hitting threes like that, Bronson's going to play better, but I think when the sixers are on their game, the Knicks are going to have a hard time stopping them. The problem I have is the factor that isn't going to be hard to replicate is Embed dragging his leg around the whole second half, shooting two for 11 and zero for five in the second half. That can't happen again. I don't want to come off as unsympathetic to Jewel and B, but we've all covered a lot of

sports injuries. He had a meniscus tear. got it repaired, he set out the prescribed length of time, either he's healthy and can play, or he's taking some horrible risk here and he shouldn't play. But if he's going to play, play. Every time you come down wrong, you know, it can't be the end of the world. You've got to, you know, you're all in or you're not. They can't win with that guy that we saw in the fourth quarter.

Now maybe he's still working through some conditioning stuff from the long long. layoff, I don't know, but he was horrible in the second half. And that was one of the reasons the rebounding was so ridiculous. He couldn't, he didn't get off the floor. He looked like me, you know. It, I, you know, and again, I, I credit him for coming back into the game, but if you're going to come back into the game, come back into the game, you know, don't just sort of lollygag around. And I don't know. I don't have a great feeling. There's a report this. morning that Maxi is questionable with an illness. Wasn't there for walk around.

All good. I mean, I just don't. I don't know. I want to see them win, but it's been quite a journey with these guys. A little point, counterpoint on six years. But if Howie could manage to trade Tobias at tonight and get a draft pick, I'd be all in favor of that. Well, you can win your first $10 bet and earn $125 in sports bonus bets on the bet parks app. You play for fun.

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but i think i'm going to be stressed here to come up with all this uh you're getting deep in the weeds here we're getting deep in the weeds yes and this will be kept track of we're going to declare a winner i am the defending champion here by a total landslide in last year's yeah just a warning less if bow doesn't win there's there's going to be some kind of technicality that will allow him to win there after yes or we just won't We'll talk about it. Or we just won't talk about it. Yeah. But we can we can proceed our very first.

We've got 12 categories here or just sort of guessing how Howard Roseman is going to play the draft over the course of Thursday, Friday. Saturday, we will start with the first pick. And we got 100 turkeys for each category to disperse. The first one here is will the Eagles pick before 22 at 22 or after 22 their first pick of the draft. I'll go first and tell you what I have. I've got 54 turkeys on before 22, 25 on at 22, and 21 on after 22. I have 70 on before 22, so I'm expecting them to trade up. 10 at at 22. I don't think they stick and pick. 20 for after 22. I think if they're not happy

with a trade-up scenario, they look the trade down. Ah, so I have 100 turkeys. Yes. Boy, that's going to be noisy. That's how it all started. A little cars and ones. Yes. Yes. We have turkeys in my neighborhood in South Jersey, but I've never seen a hundred at once. I hear I, turkeys can be angry. Yes. Yes. They don't like cars. They like to, they see themselves in the cars and they start, you know, getting all angry. She where they like on Thanksgiving. I'm going to go very similar to Zach. I love that. I'm going to go like 75 on moving up. Okay.

And maybe 15 on staying the same and 10 on moving down. Okay. He's going to want to move up, even if it's one spot. Even if it's like one tiny spot, he wants to do it. I think that's right. I think that is right. All right, Zach, you get to go first on the second one. We're going the second pick that the Eagles make will be before 50, at 50, or after

50? So I have 10 turkeys for before 50 okay because I think that they don't trade up in the second round. I suppose that if they trade it back in the first they could trade up in the second but I don't see that.

I have 50 at 50 and then I have 44 after 50 and the 44 after 50 is them packaging either to move up or if they did move up with one of their other picks moving back from 50 to different spot.

Okay. Over to you, Les. Wow. Okay. 50 is not a high pick in the second rent. So I don't see them moving out of that back at all because that, you know, then you're getting toward the third round. Moving up, I guess I would give them some chance of moving up, but I already have

them moving up in the first round. I don't think they can do both things. So maybe 25 turkeys for moving up from 50. and maybe 60 turkeys for staying at 50 and the remaining, what, 15 turkeys? Am I right about that? Good math. I was an English major. The remaining 15 turkeys for moving backward.

Okay. I've got 60 staying in 50 as well, same with you. 33 for moving up and 7 for moving back. Okay. In what scenario do you think they move back from 50? If they have moved up and really need to try to recoup some capital. But yeah, I think it is unlikely. And if they traded, if they packaged one of their second rounders to move up in that scenario where I said, where you go back and the third round.

What if they traded 50 to move up? Well, so that's what I'm curious. Do you think they're more apt to trade 50 or 53? I'm more apt. I mean, they would rather trade 53, but I don't think it, I don't know that it moves the needle too much. Of all the questions I could ask for you to be ambivalent. What are you more apt to do? You put me in a corner on so many random things.

I say, I ask if they're more apt. We're talking about trading second round picks year. I didn't think I was, it was like an inquisition, you know? What, uh, less was an English major? What was your major, Zach? I was magazine journalism and political science. Double major? Double major.

And then I was a minor in American history. What a show off. No, I wanted to write a thesis, um, or a half thesis at that time. And was this the Bob Dylan thing? No, Bob Dylan was a class. I took freshman year. That's a great memory. Yeah, I learned a lot about Bob Dylan lyrics.

I wrote a, I wrote a paper on Bob Dylan's lyrics. I would love to see that paper. I probably have it, actually. But my semester thesis was on the Kennedy, was on how Robert Kennedy changed in between the time of his brother's passing and in his passing. Oh, okay. Was it the vaccine? That seemed really good.

No, the real Robert Kennedy. I know. It was a very tragic time in our country. history. I certainly not something that make light. So is a half thesis? Yeah, it's a semester thesis. Was it a the or a sis? Come on, that is such a good joke.

That was the... I'm known for dad jokes, but Jesus Christ. I think enough time has passed that we can make a little bit of light. Knowing what his son has gone on to do. All right. Uh, total picks for the Eagles. They are slated to have eight picks at the moment. Will they have more than eight picks?

Will they have exactly eight picks? Or will they have fewer than eight picks? Uh, less, it's your turn to go first. Oh, God. Um, you know, I used to always think Hallie would end up with more picks. There was a time when he was all about seventh round picks and crap like that. But they didn't get a whole lot out of those. And I, I don't.

think he's still doing that. I think there's, he tends to end up with a few less picks than he starts out with a lot of drafts. So I'm going to go, without putting a lot of thought of this, I'm going to go about 60 turkeys for less than eight, 20 turkeys for staying at eight, and 20 turkeys for more than eight. Nice. I don't go with odd numbers of turkeys. I want to keep my turkeys in, you know, in, you and Zach. You and Zach, you and I are kindred spirits. Yes, that's, that's how I do it to. Both. always he's pulling out like a 73 and a 27 yes I went 51 turkeys on under eight 35 on eight and 14 on more than eight I have 30 on more than eight I'm sorry 30 on more than eight

40 on eight and 30 on fewer than eight okay next up I got to know this is probably fascinating for our audience it really you know I'm sure they're writing on this down you would be surprised actually how many times people stop me and they say they play the games along with us okay so So, yeah, there's... So I'm going to get quizzed about my turkey selections. Yes, yes, exactly. And I promise you if Bo wins, then three years from now, you will hear mention of today's game. Okay.

Yes. There is a super chat. Zach, I will just ask you, do you remember Julia's phone number from when you were growing up? I did call Julia quite a bit, but now, I can tell you her screen name. We spoke more online than on the phone. You said he called her quite a bit. Well, I can not quite a bit. Are you, would you, I'm trying to, I'm trying to decide if you're actually trying to downplay, then you do remember her phone number. You're just trying to not make it awkward.

I don't, I don't remember Joyce phone number. No. What was her screen name? Do you want me to say it? I mean, I'm, okay. Yeah, here. Well, she had two. Um, yeah, yeah. She doesn't even remember having two. Yeah. She had Jules 1138 and then she had, uh, jules. J-E-H-O-O-8? Is that right? All right. Jehu? No initials, and then I was eight over a time. Oh, W-A-H-A-G-

Very good, yes. All right, nice. What was yours, Zach? Oh, I think you've told us yours before. It was Philly Boy six. Philly Boy? Because at the time, yeah, there was, and we made it. So we didn't have like separate screen names.

We had one here. Yeah. Oh, I feel like that set up. with some chicanery. It was before my, oh, well, yeah, we had one computer and we, like, all took turns. Yeah, but there must have been times when you guys were posing as each other. No, we wouldn't have to be disingenuous, but the, no, but so my, definitely happened. My mom was pregnant with the sixth kid at the time.

We created the screen name, and we didn't know, we just assumed it was going to be a boy because she had five already. Right, of course. So that's why I wasn't like Philly Boy 5 plus the girl, right? It was Foley Boy 6. And then you know. Yeah. I love too much.

Should have been Philly Boys. What's that? Philly Boys, six. With a Z. Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, we weren't in, yeah. We weren't into Z's.

I guess not. No, it's just Philly Boys. All right. Next up, over the course of human events. From now through Sunday, will the Eagles make a trade involving a veteran, either coming or going? It's just a straight yes or no.

I'm going to go with an 81 on yes and a 19 unknown. You have a veteran in mind. No, this is more of a coming that I sort of imagine is sending a pick for whether it's a backup tight end or a cornerback.

Yeah. The talent Parham watch remains. Well, they signed CJ. A fire. They signed Azuma, so it takes away at the Parham watch. That's true. Yeah.

I think I went too high here, but it's what I wrote down. So I have to I have 55 on yes yes and 41 and 45 for no because how I mean howie wall is so before or close to the draft so we're not doing after the draft and that kind of complicates it. But you see similar to the swift trade last year, I'm sorry last year say they don't hit on a corner in round one round two. And then howie says, all right, we need to take care of this position. The free agent markets bear there was another team that took a corner. to what the Lions did last year when they took Gibbs and then Swift was available. And you say, all right, we'll trade you our 2026 fourth for this corner that is now the third guy on your depth chart.

And then Howie Bills it is getting good value similar to Swift last year. Yeah. That makes a lot of sense to me. Yeah, I think he does that. He likes to it's action. He likes to stay involved. Right. If you could factor in like the week or two after the draft as part of the draft,

Certainly I would probably go all in for that, but I'll go maybe 60 on yes there. Okay. I think that's a howie thing to do, certainly. All right. Next time. Also, I see this in the chat, and this question came up last week. And I just want to be, look, maybe if I'm wrong here, quote this, put this out, and find the Eagles are not trading AJ Brown.

Okay? The Eagles move the mountains to get A.J. Brown. The offense this year is built around having A.J. Brown, Devonte Smith, Dallas, Goddard. The Devante Smith contract is structured in a way that allows them to have A.J. Brown and Devante Smith this year. I look, everyone has a job to do. I respect everyone that everyone has a job to do. I think that it's very easy to kind of create content by saying, should they trade them, react to this, and then react to the reaction and then react to A.J.'s reaction.

Right. And, no, the Eagles are not looking to trade A.J. Brown. Bottom line. I just don't know what the I mean, you're right. I see it in the chat. Well, you don't know. But also like what is the, what would be the point of trading A.J. Brown at this point. I have no idea. Exactly.

You want to trade him next off season. I can be, you can convince me. But I do think sometimes we can be like, look, this is ridiculous. Why are we having the conversation? But if fans are having the conversation, we should at least address the conversation. That's always been a big dilemma for me because so many of these are ridiculous. And I come from an era where, you know, I spent much of my career before the Internet, before we had to, you know, indulge these ridiculous ideas.

I actually don't necessarily agree that you need to address everything if it's on its face ridiculous. But I think this is worth addressing. But I think there is a like, you know, also if it is, if it's crossing the line of like decency, I don't know, then that doesn't. Well, wasn't the rumor last week they were going to trade him for the third overall pick? I mean, that's ridiculous. AJ Brown put a Tom Brady thing up on his Instagram.

And then all of a sudden, it's like he's going to. You couldn't get the third overall pick for A.J. Brown. First of all, it's just ridiculous. It's silly. Yeah, it's, they're not trading AJ. Yeah. I'll put that out there. There you go.

All right. Next up, you get to go first, Zach. This is, will the Eagles draft a wide receiver in the first three rounds of this draft? So before round four, yes or no? I went yes. 75, no 25. And good for you. You're sticking on your guns on this.

Yeah, I've been saying all offseason that wide receiver is a position where the Eagles are going to look to upgrade. That third spot, we've talked about the short-term need for a wide receiver three, the importance of having help if Devonté or AJ go to town. We also happen in week 17 in the playoffs last year. And then also eventually AJ's contracts swells to like 40 million in 2026 in terms of the cap hit. So there is a long-term potential need here too. I understand this is a deep wide receiver class. I think if the Eagles don't trade one of their second-round picks, they're going to be in a position at 50 or 53 where the best players in their tier

is a wide receiver, more so than another spot. And so then the Eagles have a decision, do they trade back from that spot? Or do they take a wide receiver who, based on how I think the board is going to be, is going to be much better than any other position that will be there. And I think wide receiver could be round two or even a slight trade back to round. Plus, I mean, if they trade AJ Brown, they're going to need a receiver. That too, yes, yes. Okay.

How about you, Les? What numbers you have here? I think it depends entirely on how the board goes. I don't think they're going to go into this thinking we should probably try to get a wide receiver in the first or second round. But because it is such a good wide receiver draft, there is a decent chance that at 53 or something you're going to look at. say, you know what, there's a better wide receiver here than any other position. But if I had my druthers, it would be more of a fourth or fifth round thing. I just don't think that's, you're right about the long term, but I,

they have short, their needs are, their structural needs. And we're going to get into this with the next questions, but their needs for offensive line, for a corner, for edge rush are so linebacker are so acute that I would do it reluctantly, I guess. So I'm going to say 50 that they do do it because there's a good chance that the board just breaks that way, but I don't really want them to do it, I guess, and 50 that they don't because I think they have a lot of bigger needs. All right, well, let's get into that first pick then. We've split this one up into four buckets. The first pick for the Eagles will be an offensive lineman, a cornerback, an edge player, or other.

Anything else? You can split those four however you want. Well, for the 70th year in a row, I predict a corner with the first round. I have a long record of thinking the Eagles are finally going to take a corner with their first pick. And I don't want to break that, you know, that tradition, especially in a year where it might actually have. Sure. I just, I think they have been playing with fire for years,

trying to sign guys and trade for guys and not ending up with disasters or things that aren't what they hoped they would be. So I have to split this up into various categories. Okay. Corner 50, offensive line 25. What are I got? Edge Rush and other.

The field, basically. Edge 20 and field five. Okay. Zach, you get to apportion your turkey's next. Yeah, so I went O-Line Corner, 45-45. I think O-Line. That's how I'm knowing how we, knowing the way they think. I'm expecting.

You can't just go 46-44 then? I'm expecting O'Line. But look, I think there's a run on O-Line in more than corners. So I would imagine, I think if Deagle stuck at 22 or even traded back a few spots, you can get a Coyd McKinstree, Nate Wiggins, someone like that. I don't think you're, I think you're going to have a harder time getting Troy Falano or J.C. Latham at 22. So that's kind of why I hedged. I went edge at 10. I would be really surprised. I keep seeing reports like Lato or Jared Verst like that. That would surprise me. I really think it's a line

corner and I don't think there's another position. Do you not like those players as much or do you just not think that they're looking Yeah, so I don't think this is an especially good edge rusher class, number one. Like you think two years ago, there were three edge rushers in the top five at that I think it was. If you're getting the second best edge rusher in the class at 22, I don't think he's probably that good of an edge rusher. I also think that need is overstated because of the Hassan Redick trade.

I think the Eagles view Bryce Huff for Hassan Redick is like a one-for-one swap there. Yeah. And they're expecting Nolan Smith to step up. It is something that they do want to add to their edge rushing mix. But I think, you know, Nolan Smith was a first round pick last year. They just paid Huff a lot of money. I don't think that's as huge a need as it's being described. I agree.

I agree. I actually went heavier on offensive line here. I have 55 on offensive line, 36 on corner, two on edge and seven on other. That's your Brian Thomas possibility. The other? Or your Byron Murphy possibility? Yes. Or your Brock Bowers, your boy.

Ah, I didn't think about that. Yeah. Well, I was thinking about Murphy this morning. I just, how many defensive tackles do you need? I mean, how many can you possibly grab? I mean, it would be very funny to go three in a row. Yeah. That's defensive tackle.

But I, but, you know, you just know what they care about, what they value. And I think there is a, a scenario in which they can't look at their board the way that it's graded and not take him. Like, let's say, let's say, Johnny. Newton goes ahead of him, right, for whatever reason, and all the tackles and corners they like are off the board, and he's sticking out like a sore thumb. That's one where I think they could absolutely talk themselves into it. What if you drafted him and then looked at what you had there and thought, I wonder what somebody would give me for Milton Williams. Oh, yeah. There you go. Then you can make that veteran trade. I have a quick Rock Bowers thing, but I can bring it up with Shield tomorrow, but I'll just, I'm not dismissing any of the history. Like I get the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the into history. I'm not ignoring that. No, but history can be twisted in a lot of, like, in a lot of different ways in this sense. Okay. Do you know the leading receiver on every national champion over the last 10 years? Because I can give you the list. Okay. You're looking at, in addition to Brock Bowers, okay, you're looking at Devante Smith. You're looking at Calvin,

at Justin Jefferson. Jamar Chase led him receivers in, in receiving yards. Justin Jefferson lead in receptions, okay? You're looking at Calvin Ridley. You're looking at Mike Williams. You're looking at T. Higgins. And you're looking at, there's one other that I'm missing there. Anyways, all of these guys went on to be pro-ball caliber, like big time second contract players.

So there is a history that suggests if you're the best past catching option on the best team in college football, that you must be a really good pass catcher, even though, like, and I'm not suggesting, like, you could say that has more credence to it than what happened with Bubba Franks, right, 20 years ago, and with the number 14 pick in the draft. Yeah, that I don't think, yeah, you're right. That has no relevance. And the fact that Travis Kelsey had like a very strange college career and didn't get drafted where he should have been drafted doesn't mean you can't draft a really good tight end in the first round. It just means that teams that year.

you know, made the wrong choice. Yeah. Yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's true. And I think, like, I get the Kyle Pitts and the Eric Ebron conversation and OJ. Howard, like, like Tyler Eifert. There's a lot of guys here that haven't gone on to, but, you know, we can disagree about about Kyle Pitts. He had a thousand yards season.

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as turkeys to the Drab Kingdom rolls on. We've got five different groups this time. It's offensive line. Cornerback, edge, wide receiver, and other. Now, this is a little bit different because it says second round pick, not necessarily the first second round pick. So there could be two different

point opportunities here. And because of that, I am going 35 on corner. 30 on other I think Howie could throw us a curveball here 25 on wide receiver 9 on offensive line and only one on edge

Wow Zach So this is the second round pick This is the second round pick I have 20 for O line Because I think that the O line group I was drinking water The O line group top heavy

And some of the guys you're talking about The second round are more project types, right? You're not necessarily looking. Well, I should say you have plug-and-play guards. You can take a plug-and-play guard, but your tackles are more project types. Corner, I have 30 at corner

because I think they can come back there. Edge, I'm going with 20. There's more of a chance that they take an edge rusher in the second round. They like to draft those. Yeah. And then wide receiver, I went 30, just because I think there's a lot of value.

our wide receiver draft where I'm sorry our wide receivers show with coach Flynn we talked for you know 30 minutes about second round receivers who I think could be first rounders in different years or you might have like late first round grades on so I'm going there I went zero for other I suppose tight end could sneak in I suppose linebacker could sneak in but I still think the Eagles they're built with O line corner edge and wide receiver in mind all right how about you less oh boy Well, I'm going to go about 40 for offensive line. I think one of those two spots is going to be an offensive lineman. After that, I have no idea, but I'm going to go other for about 30 because I really do think there could be a linebacker or maybe even a safety.

It isn't a great class. Who knows what they think? So I've got 30 left, maybe 20 edge and 10 wide receiver. Okay. Nothing on corner. you're going on the first round. I'm assuming this works out the way that I planned it. I like that. All right. Next up. The highest 2025 pick acquired by Howie Roseman over the course of draft weekend. Will it be

round three or higher, rounds four or five, or rounds six, seven, or nothing at all? Yeah. So I have round three or higher at 10 because I think if you, if you, if you you're if you're getting a pick round three or higher, you're probably trading a third or fourth rounder this year, right? And I don't think we'll do that. Round four or five, that's the sweet spot. I'm going 50. I can see like you trade a fifth rounder this year. You get a fourth rounder back next year. And then round six, I'm going 40. Okay. Less. I'm going about 10 for a higher than three round or higher. I just don't see that as a very likely possibility. I'm going to one there.

Yeah. I'll probably go about 40 for the middle version, the fourth, fifth. I've got 42. And I'll go the rest of them all on, because he loves to get those late picks for the net down the road, you know. So I feel strongly about putting about 50 right there. I have 65 there. All right.

Next. By the way, because I felt embarrassed about my pop culture knowledge last week, less his strategy reminds me of one of my favorite. lines and Field of Dreams, which is, I'm field of dreams and kind of dating myself, I suppose, but, you know, when Shulish Joe Jackson's at the plate, they said, you need a catcher, and he says if you throw it over the plate, you, that if you throw it over the plate, you don't need a catcher, right? Les is making these picks based on what he thinks is going to happen, right?

So that's what I respect about Lesser strategy here. You get it, right? Like, he doesn't need the insurance of if they don't take a corner in the first round, because he's doing his second round pick. Well, you have to also. Well, you have to also factor in. That is like one of the biggest stretches that I can. I'm impressed.

I'm very flattered, but you also have to factor in that I put virtually no preparation in this whatsoever. That's the most important thing. Anyway. Two completely different things. Not at all. Unless you get to go first on this one. Side of the ball over the course of draft weekend, will the Eagles draft more players on offense, more players on defense, or

Will it be a tie? It's going to be pretty close, but I'm going to go 50 turkeys on defense, 10 turkeys on tie, and 40 on offense. Nice. I'm going to go 56 on defense, 37 on offense, and what does that leave? 17 for a tie. I went 35 in offense, 35 on defense, 30 for a push. I'm interested in Professor Selman's help here because my concern with the push is that you need to have an even number there.

I'm not expecting to take a specialist, right? And so you have to factor in the odds that they will actually have an even number of picks in addition to whether it's in balance. Very good point. I went 35, 35.30. Okay. We've got three left. One more time around the horn here. First one is running back in tight end.

which of those positions will be drafted first by the Eagles or will it be neither. So it's either running back, tight end, or neither. And I'm going to, this is the one spot where I'm going to pull a Zach. I'm going 50 running back, 50 tight end, zero on neither. Boy, I like that. Because I think they're going to add somebody. They will. I don't want to do the exact same thing you did, so I'll go.

49-49-2? Yeah, let's do that. Yeah, because that's exactly what I was thinking. They'll do one of those, you know. Yes, I think at some point, Zach. I will go 55, 40, and 5. 55 that the tight end is first, 40 that the running back's first, five, that it's neither.

Okay. Second to last one, Zach, our penultimate question on turkeys to the draft kingdom, will the Eagles over the course of draft weekend draft a pair of teammates, which they have done most of the last few drafts, yes or no? I feel like I should be Lee Corso here and take out the Alabama elephant Right And then put that on my head here

And then that's actually the Michigan Wolverine Yeah Yeah I think there's a chance They take Bama guys I don't think two Georgia guys this year But I think two Bama guys Would be my front runner The Sleeper is two Washington guys

Okay And the Ghosts of Sidney Jones passed Ghost of Elii They took Sydney Jones he was getting Elijah Qualls on the same year, if you guys recall, in 2017. So Les could call up Jimmy Lake and knock two birds with one stone there. And Jimmy Lake, of course, was their decorinator at the time, who's now the decontator at the Atlanta Falcons. Okay.

So how about that? Yeah, a little while. So I'm going 60 on no. No. After all that, I'm going 60 on No. After all that. After all that, yes. All right.

Les, how about you? I'm going to go 70 on no and 30 on yes. I feel like these patterns over the last several years, they tend to change. I mean, they're not going to stick with the Alabama, Georgia thing was fun, but I don't really see that defining this draft. And there are a lot of guys that I've looked at in the first couple rounds anyway that aren't from those schools. Sure. Yeah.

I'm going 51 yes, 49, no. Okay. We'll see how it plays out. I don't feel strongly about it, but that's the way I went. Last one, the four schools here, Alabama, Georgia, Michigan, and Washington. Some four sort of blue-blood programs where a lot of guys are coming from in this draft. Over under one-and-a-half players drafted by the Eagles from those four schools less. Oh, dear God.

I have to pick each school. No, no, no, no, no. All combined. Oh, okay. One and a half over the course of draft weekend, who come from all. All of those schools combined. Oh, Alabama, Georgia, Michigan, Washington. I'll go 65 over on that.

Okay. And 35 under. Okay. I'm going 73 over, 27 under. Zach? I have 60 for over and 40 for under. And certainly if I was in Howie Roseman's spot, this would be like 80 and 20. Really?

The best players are on Alabama, Georgia, and Michigan this year. And I'll give Washington a little bit of credit. But Alabama, Georgia, Michigan have the best players this year. Michigan is absolutely loaded. and those guys are ready to play right now. So no Quinyan Mitchell for you, huh? No, you know, and the thing about Quineon Mitchell, and we'll talk about this on our draft shows,

keep this in mind. If you think Nick Siriani has clout in that draft room, Nick Siriani is tight with a lot of guys on that Toledo staff. If you hear the name of Larry Caras, his son, Vince, is the de-coordinator at Toledo. Jason Candle, former teammate of his, is the head coach at Toledo. but I would tell Nick Seriani respectfully.

He grew up a Michigan fan. You saw that Michigan team. Those guys are loaded. Draft Michigan guys. Unsurprising. That's okay. Les, any other sort of big picture thoughts as we approach draft Thursday?

Let's see. You know what? I liked the story that you wrote last week just from watching the press conferences. I thought the perspective on Jalen Hertz was interesting. I wonder if you wanted to unpack that a little. Well, I actually first saw this. I wasn't watching the press conferences live,

but Zach tweeted or X or whatever the hell it is now, a quote from Jalen about leadership and his changes that he wanted to make going forward. And I thought it was very pression. I thought it was it kind of showed that he gets the criticism, but it also addressed, it just seemed like a very nuanced, a response to that question. It wasn't like, yeah, I'm going to go out and pretend to be a real, you know, slapping guys on the butt and yelling all the time guy. It was more like I need to make sure that things are communicated and that people get the right.

Am I interpreting this right? Yeah, you are. Now, the, and I'm sure you and I, Ben Bo can all kind of commissary with this, given the format of that press conference. That was the last question. So you couldn't get, I think the natural follow up to that was, well, who was setting the culture last year? Like, if you feel that you don't want anyone else doing it this year, who was doing it last year that you kind of felt that this was going astray? But, no, I agree. And I think Jalen, Jalen said after the season that the way he acts when they're winning is perceived one way, when they're losing perceived another way.

But I think, I think Jalen has a certain, and to your point, and as you mentioned this, like there's a certain strength of character that he has, that he's. that he's not going to just change because the wind's blowing in a certain direction. Like he's made very intentional with how he does it. And Jeff Lurie at the owner's meeting made that point, which I was very glad to hear him make, is that I don't want this guy pretending to be

some false rah-rah guy just because that's what talk radio. I didn't say this, but what talk radio wants out of him or something, you know, he needs to be who he is and be comfortable in that. And I agree very much. And I think maybe a little bit too much, was made, I think you can't be morose when things are going bad.

You have to be, keep it even keel, but you have to be positive and you have to be thinking about that. You can't, there are times when Jaylon just looked like on the sideline like he was just really disappointed or, you know, you can't quite, unless you're going to get really mad, which people like that. You can't just sit there and sort of look like this, you know, that doesn't work. Yeah, my contribution to that would be if you say you're going to be the thermostat and not the thermometer, you got to take that to heart, right? Yeah.

Because like if you, because you have to realize it is true. If you set the temperature in the room when you look a certain way, even if that's not your intention, okay, there is going to be a perception of that. And people are going to respond to that accordingly. So you always, so if you are, in fact, a thermostat, then you have, then the way you act, the way you operate, people are going to react to that behavior. That's true. Do we have time for one more little? By all means. Okay.

Yeah. I wanted to get your, you guys take on something else I mentioned last week, which was Howie's prickliness at the follow-up Hassan Reddit question, which I thought was extremely valid. and he was a total jerk, you know, claiming he didn't. He pulled a Chip Kelly. That was Chip's thing to, well, someone said something in a slightly non-football jargety way, so therefore I don't understand what you're asking. He understood what was being asked. What was being asked was, you know, why did you make this trade?

What was the thinking behind it? And I just didn't like his answer at all. Yeah, we talked about it a little bit last week. I mean, the defensiveness of it is definitely off-putting, right? I think he is very sensitive to the idea that he didn't get enough for Hassan Reddick. But, I mean, he knew that question was coming. He could have prepared a better answer than that. It was very, it was odd.

There's all kinds of things you could talk about. He made a sort of offhand reference to, well, we can go through all the complications of rosterability. well at least you don't have to talk for an hour about just say listen you know like you know you can't just view it as this fact right you can't just view it as Hassan Reddick for exactly it's Hassan Reddick yeah or this pick and the other space that we have like now we get to extend Devante Smith it's not just one to one like that but he could have used that 100 yeah it was very bizarre and there was a bit of not to get into like who's asking the questions but it was like his opportunity to sort of punch down a little bit that I thought was part of what was off putting about it yeah I was a surprising to me because usually, I mean, it was a guy from KYW, right? Howley has something against the guy from Kyiw? No, no, yeah. So, like to your point about Chip Kelly, and I think you wrote this in a con, I've read everything you've written over the past 20 years. I'm so sorry.

You wrote like Chip Kelly, who's the son of lawyers, like at his dinner table, they used to have like semantics mattered. And that's why he would pick apart. And Hallie Roseman, who like went to law schools, semantics matter, right? And so if he doesn't want to answer a question, he can take, he can pick apart the semantics of the question. I thought the, I thought what Bo said was the exact point. Like, I think he took umbrage to the way it's characterized as, as the Hassan Reddick trades in a vacuum. And he, he wants to view it in conjunction with, all right, you signed Bryce Huff, you get this pick, you have cash you can allocate it elsewhere. But then say that.

Yeah, you can explain that. Exactly. It's not like somebody's screaming at you or something. And I think the fan base deserves that type of explanation. And I think it's like feel free to, if you're Hallie Roseman, like you don't, feel free to explain yourself, right? Right. Like that's, that's, he's, his, his moves and he's good at explaining why he did a certain

thing. I think the fans deserve that. There was another moment in that press conference where he did a wonderful job. It was the best thing he said in a long time where he was explaining the whole thing about having guys play behind classic players rather than trying to tell them when so-and-so was here

he did it this way. Yes, Nick loved them. That was wonderful. That was a very good that was a great thing for him. There's no reason why he can't explain something. But one more Reddick thing real quick. He doesn't have that contract yet from the Jets. What do you make of that?

Yeah, my understanding is that he wasn't going to play here on the contract he was on. But he's willing to do it there. But, well, I got to imagine that there's, I mean, we'll see what happens there. They have not disrespected him like he feels like. Yeah, could be that too. Right. Yeah, I mean, and especially once the eagle signed Bryce off, it definitely was like he,

Hassan Redick was not going to play here for less money than Bryce off. Okay. But it's interesting. And I think that's part of what is the unsaid prickliness from Howie is that he was put in a box here, I think. Yeah. Hassan Reddick was not coming back. Right. And so he did.

the best that he could with a gun to his head. Yes. And I think that's what he doesn't like that. Yeah, you're absolutely right. And if Reddick does take a deal with the Jets that is not for $25 million a year, then fans will hold that up to Howie. Even though obviously Redick wasn't going to do that deal here, it would be like C.J. Gardner Johnson last year where he left and the deal,

people looked at the deal and they were like, we couldn't have done this. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's very possible. Yeah. All right. Good discussion. Started with Danny Watkins, with Hassan Reddick. A lot of turkeys in the middle.

Yes. Good stuff. Les, thank you so much for joining us with the Ford. Oh, it's great. Reading the next thing we've got on all pHLY.com. And I think you're going to join us on Saturday, day three of the draft. Okay. That's fine with me.

Beautiful. And a fun show coming tomorrow. Tomorrow, Shilkapadia, joining the studio for the Owl You Know draft in which we're going to predict 30 different players less who the Eagles are going to draft. 10 each. Wow. I'm glad I'm not around for that.

You know, we did. We did pick that accurately. You did. And then on Wednesday, our final name 10 players in this draft. And then Thursday, Friday, Saturday. We're here the whole time.

That'll do it for this episode of the P. Wait, I've one quick question for you. Les, if you want to read, if you want some names, you can check out off p.gly.com. Oh, I will.

And so it's going to ask you, your favorite name. I don't know that my favorite But the one that just as a name makes me laugh is the guy whose first name is Loubert. Okay. Loubert is very funny. Okay. And great photo of choice, by the way, finding the smoke photo.

Nash, Fouch is a fun name to say. Okay. It is. Yeah. That's a lot of good ones. You like booby in there? You had that. I know you like booby.

No, that was one of your names in that. You're the one who said it. Booboooooooooooooooooo. Very interesting, very interesting dish. I'm not sure how it's prepared, but I would try it. All right. That's a wrap, everybody. Thanks, everybody for watching and listening.

We will talk to you tomorrow at noon. And as always, we love you. You're all silly like the mayor.