PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | Emergency pod: Philadelphia Eagles land Kellen Moore as new offensive coordinator

Episode Date: January 29, 2024

Are you ready for Moore motion? While you were sleeping Saturday night, the Eagles reeled in former Dallas Cowboys and Los Angeles Chargers offensive coordinator Kellen Moore as their replacement for Brian Johnson. For an offense that Nick Sirianni admitted got “stale” down the stretch of the 2023 season, Moore will be charged with sprucing things up.What does this mean for Jalen Hurts? What does it tell us about Sirianni’s involvement in the offensive structure? Zach Berman and Bo Wulf break it down. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

And welcome to a Sunday morning emergency pod on the PHOI Eagles podcast from my basement. I am Bo Wolf from his office. That is Zach Berman. And we are here to talk about the Eagles filling their vacant offensive coordinator position with Kellyn Moore, the former Cowboys and Chargers offensive coordinator. We did not get the reports of the Eagles bringing in 20 different people and picking all their brains. It felt like Kellan Moore made a lot of sense. I think you could make the case that he is, you know,

not Vic Fangio in terms of experience, but in terms of the most plug and play option, whether I guess we could debate Eric B. Enemy, but Kellan Moore, you know, the P.HO.I. Eagles podcast, if you go back over the past week, for the defensive coordinator episode, we put Vic Fangio on the thumbnail. For the offensive coordinator episode,

we put Kellyn Moore on the thumbnail. What a call by Julia getting it. done. Zach Berman, how are you? I'm doing well. Excited to see you. I appreciate you guys doing this this morning. We perhaps could have done it last night if I was more attentive, but regardless, we'll get to that later. We will get to that. Yeah. We don't have to start the show with that. Exactly. Yeah. Let's start the show with this reality that I'm not saying Kellyn Moore fixes everything. I'm not saying Kellyn Moore is the second coming of Bill Walsh. What I'm saying is that if you're committing to bringing in fresh ideas.

This isn't paying lip servers to it. This is doing it. This is an offense that looks different than what the Eagles have run, more so in the passing game than anything else. And we'll, I think this- Motion rate, right? Lots of middle of the league and under center plays. A couple of things that I've been missing from the Eagles offense, Kellynmore can import.

Yeah, the intermediate passing game, you'll see a lot of that. And it's someone who, frankly, he's been on. the Eagles radar now. They interviewed him for the head coaching job in 2021 when Nick Siriani got it. And he's he's an established experienced play caller. So I did like the idea of looking at kind of an up-and-coming guy. But we said like given the situation that the Eagles were in, they were probably going to prioritize experience on both sides of the ball because there are in a situation where they need to maximize next year. And they kind of need to need to. to know what they're getting.

And you know what you're getting, at least schematically and structurally, with Kellynne Moore. Yeah. To me, the most interesting thing here. And I agree that both of these hires are, they sort of signal win now at all cost attitudes, right? And I think we can factor that into what we think they're going to do this offseason. But the most interesting thing to me here is, you know, we talked about after the press

conference on Wednesday. we had to wait and see who they were going to hire at offensive coordinator to see what we really thought the Nick Siriani allowing somebody else to be the head coach of the offense was going to be like. Now, I'm still not sure that Kellyn Moore is that, but there's no doubt, like as opposed to a Gerard Johnson, who had worked with Nick Siriani before and would be sort of building off of what already existed in the offense. I think it's fair to say that this is an absolute indication, that Nick is going to be more hands-off with the offense than he ever has before. And I read it as a full clipping of his wings by Jeffrey Lurie.

That's what came out of those postseason meetings was you are going to be just focusing on your job as the head coach. We are going to bring in people who are going to run the other sides of the ball. And Nick Seriani is obviously going to be involved in crafting the offense and putting the structure together. but like I don't think that this is going to be a case where you know Jalen Hertz doesn't know who's making the play calls on the headset like they're bringing in Kellamore because as you said like he has six or five years now of play calling experience he has a pretty good track record I think this is an interesting situation now for Siriani and it this goes back to like the you know the brutal Tim McMahon's question what would you say you do here now it's going to be interesting now to see how this all plays out. Yeah, I would say that the passing game in particular is where it seems Jeffrey Lurie thought the Eagles needed to upgrade, needed that they were too stale there because the passing concepts here are what interests you with Kellan Moore. I think the running game, it certainly wasn't there with the Chargers last year. And he's not a quote-unquote run the ball coach, if you will. I don't think the Eagles want that.

But I bring this up as a way of saying that what Nick said on Wednesday was that they're going to blend some of what they've done with the fresh ideas of the new coach. And I think what you can see them blending here are the running concepts, which I mean, we're strongly assuming. And I think it's fair to say Jeff Stoutland's back, right? Jeff Stoutland is a big deal in that building. Jeff Stoutland's the run game coordinator. So Jeff Stoutland continues to kind of bring what he believes in the running game and what Nick Siriani and Eagles have used in the running game. And you blend that with a lot of the concepts that Kellan Moore has in the passing game.

And you're absolutely correct that there is no question. I don't believe Telling Moore takes this job if he's running Nick Siriani's offense. Kellynne Moore is someone who would have options. He's, what, 35 years old? He has a reputation. I just don't want to overstate that a little. little bit only because there are only so many jobs left. And like every person who gets hired or interviewed anywhere, the reporters say, well, like,

this guy's an unbelievable candidate and he's going to have options. Like, let's, let's walk it back just a little bit. But yes, he's highly thought of. Sure. I just don't think he's, he's jumping at any offensive coordinator job he can get, right? I think there's, I think he comes here to call the plays to be the, the, yeah, but he also, he also gets to work with really good talents. that's going to make him look at him theory, right?

Like if it was, I don't think it's like this is only Kellyn Moore's offense. I feel like this is, he's here to be the main stir and the drink, but there are going to be lots of different components. No, I agree, but I don't think he takes this job like to learn from Nixiriani's offense, right? I think he takes this job to call the plays to be the guy. So this is not just a different face and name in the title. I think this is a different offensive approach. I think so too.

There are a few things that are not missing but unproven about his, like, he hasn't worked with a running quarterback per se. So I'm interested to see how that all plays out. And we've talked about. And Herbert can move too. Yeah, but then I'm basing the offense. It's on a major part of the offense. Of course, they can move.

You can't play quarterback in the NFL now without being able to move. but I think that I don't even know where I was going to where I was going to go. I'm off track now. I apologize for interrupting there. You were talking about how he hasn't worked with a quarterback like Jalen Hertz before. Well, yes. And so we talked about like the most important thing of this off season. And the whole reason that they're like restructuring things is to get the most out of Jalen Hertz.

And so I'm, you know, that's that has to be the way that they are approaching this. And so, you know, Kellamore is bringing some interesting background. What do you make of the, you know, the Eagles have said in the past that they have, like, learned their lesson about bringing in cowboys, like, ex-Cowboys because, like, those guys come in and they get looked at weird in the locker room and it's just never a good fit? What do you feel about the, the Cowboys aspect of this? I don't put much onto it. I mean, first off, he's a year removed. and I think it's more kind of the the up-and-coming coordinator part of it

than the Cowboys part of it. But I see what you. And I also think it's a little different with coaches. I mean, do Eagles fan? And those in the chat chime in. When you think of Kellynne Moore, do you think of like Dallas Cowboys? I mean, do you think like you're...

I think of the Statue of Liberty Play and then I think of the Dallas Cowboys. I am curious, though, speaking of the Cowboys, how much you thought you put into this. And this is something we talked about the other day when we first discussed Kellynne Moore was that the the Cowboys got better after he left statistically. And the Chargers didn't have the season they were hoping for. Now, Justin Herbert was out the last four games.

Mike Williams goes down early in the season. I mean, Aquina Allen dealing with injury. So he did not get the Arsenal offensively that he expected with the Chargers. nonetheless, sometimes you've got a raise to play of everyone else. Like the, the Cowboys. I was talking, I think I can, it's okay to say I was exchanging some messages with Fran Duffy about this. The, like the Cowboys offense getting better this year is a little bit of a red herring because they were not good in the beginning of the season. And Mike McCarthy sort of went back to the things that they had been doing under Kellyn Moore.

And that's when they started to get better. And so, like, it's his structure that was still existing in that offense. That's a good answer there. And then when you just kind of look at the way he plays, obviously the Eagles have terrific personnel with AJ Brown, Devante Smith, J.O.N. Hertz. But he does, you know, utilize that third receiver more than what the Eagles have used in the past, right? So if you're just looking at what they need to do this offseason, I think upgrading that number three spot. Because this, look, if they went Cliff Kingsbury, Cliff Kingsbury, he's known not to use the tight end as much. So you're like, all right, personnel-wise, how does this kind of work?

Certainly, I think with Kellan Moore, that number three wide out needs to be a dynamic part of the offense. And it can't just be AJ and Devante all the time. But it can't be Dallas Goddard. Oh, sure. It can. But I'm saying in terms of the way he utilized. is 11 personnel uses, you know, spreads the field in terms of the target distribution. Now that said, you have a great combination here.

You have to coach to your personnel. But I would anticipate the Eagles upgrading that number three spot this offseason. Yeah, I think judging from the outside without having all of the information, if they were not going to be curious about a college type coach who was going to really bring like fresh, fresh ideas. Like Kellyn Moore's ideas are fresh to the Eagles offense, but they're well known around the league, right? Like he's been coordinating an offense for five years now.

If they weren't willing to do that to play that patiently on offense, I think that he would have been one of the two people who was a very good hire from just judging from the outside along with Eric Bienemy. And we don't know what the deal is with him if he is not allowed to interview elsewhere because the commanders have not filled that job. But like, you know, I think this is better than like an Arthur Smith or something like that. I do think that like the three head coaches in the building might have been a little bit of a weird personality dynamic.

And so, yeah, I mean, on paper, I think. you got to be pretty happy about this from the Eagles perspective. And it also sort of feels like we were talking about the Eagles hiring of Vic Fangio was like to bring in the time machine. Like if they could just go back in time to last off season and had hired Vic Fangio instead, I think there's a little bit of that here where like if they had been able to start the job market from scratch last year after Kellynmore was hired, they might have hired Kellynmore over Brian Johnson, right?

And then they think in their minds if we had had just two, competent good coordinators, maybe our season would not have gone off the rails so much. And so let's see how that plays out this year. I disagree with that last point because I don't think there was this type of commitment to fresh ideas to use the buzz term from the press conference. And they did not want to lose Brian Johnson a year ago. And if it wasn't Brian Johnson, it would have been Kevin Patoa. I think they were committed last year to taking.

what their offensive structure and kind of perfecting it, you know, bringing it to the next level this offseason. I think they were humbled offensively, especially late in the season, and that's where the idea of fresh ideas came. I don't think they would have said last year, let's bring, let's bring a Kellen Moore to run the Nick Siriani offense. I am speaking of from Jeffrey's perspective, not Nick's perspective. Obviously Nick, I mean, and Nick had the juice last off season. He's the one who took them to the Super Bowl. So yeah, he's not going to bring in somebody who's not going to run his offense. But I think Jeffrey canvassing the league would have considered Kellynne Moore,

like the top offensive coordinator on the market at that time. Yeah, I think when the Eagles look at the passing game, you know, the term stale. How does that apply? Okay. I think they, I think their view was that there was a lack of creativity. So that's where you bring in things like pre-snap motion, which the Eagles were less than the league in, and in which Callen Moore, that numbers out there. Seth Walder from ESPN showed all the data that their eighth in the, the charges were eighth in the league in pre-snap motion.

You talk about the Eagles answers against the Blitz. You had the number in your piece the other day that the Cowboys two years ago were number one in success rate against the Blitz. Okay. I think when the Eagles look at the stale offense, one thing they viewed is that it was too reliant on explosive plays. You look at how Kellyn Moore attacks defenses, they're going to utilize the short and the intermediate game. They need to with more success than what the Eagles had this past year. They won't just be reliant on throwing down field. So I think that the fresh ideas part of this, when I say it's a big hire,

I'm not saying that Kellyn Moore is the answer to everything. What I'm saying is that he brings in different ideas than what they've used. and when you talk about modernizing the offense, and I don't like, I don't mean to say they did not have a modern offense, but some of these concepts that you're seeing are in vogue around the league. Kellyn Moore is proven that he uses that in his system. Now, if you talk about some of the downsides, I apologize because I don't remember who sent it along,

but somebody sent over the piece that Bob Stern wrote for the athletic after Kellyn Moore had been let go by the Cowboys about some of the things that did go wrong. And one of the points was that what often happened to them in those seasons was they came out hot. And then as the season went on, it felt like they had been solved and they didn't have a second plan. Like they didn't have a plan B, which is exactly what happened to the Eagles over the course of the last two years. Right. And so Steve Clef, thank you to Steve Clef.

So, I mean, that's just one person's opinion. And that's like just a piece of information. Yeah, that would be not ideal. And also in terms of, excuse me, like the Jonathan Gannon, the Jonathan Gannon criticism on the offensive side, and Bob Stern had it on that piece, is they light up the scoreboard against, like, bad defenses, but they're more susceptible against good defenses.

And then when the Eagles defense say, you say, well, of course, the, you know, the top quarterbacks always do that to opposing defenses. But, you know, if you just look at their playoff exits under Kellyn Moore, one thing that you heard is, and Bob Stern wrote this, is being vulnerable to those good defenses. Moa Culpa. Corey tells me that it was Jared Zabransky, who was the Boise State quarterback. It was. You didn't want to correct me? I did not want to correct you there.

But he was. I appreciate that. He was more successful. He was at Boise State. His teams were incredible, right? They kind of took up a notch. I see what you did there. Yes.

Yeah. You're in for a long year of more puns, I'm afraid. I can't wait. I don't know if Kahn Moore would have been like my top guy at the start of this. Again, I do think that what you kept emphasizing is how I would have done this. I would have spoken to a lot of different people. I wouldn't know. I think you made the call.

From all we know, they've only, only three interviews have been reported. But I think that if there's someone that you like, you can't wait on them. these seats are starting to get filled, right? So you have to act quickly if he's the guy you like. But I did like what you said that on the offensive side of the ball, talk to as many people as you can. Don't be in a rush. I think you even said that if they had to hire this weekend,

you wouldn't be particularly enthralled by that. And so if you're talking to Cliff Kingsbury, Gerard Johnson, and Kellyn Moore, and you decide that's sufficient, then I think you could have expanded that search more. The flip side of that is if you went into the search with Kellynne Moore as your top target, and you had to wait for the Chargers situation to get settled out or to get sorted out, because someone said, for instance, like the Chargers didn't keep him. Well, they hired Jim Harbaugh.

Jim Harbaugh was bringing in his own staff, right? So Hardball hired this week. Kelmore becomes available. I don't think Callen Moore was available to interview elsewhere, like, two weeks ago. I think that the chief situation had to get sorted out first. I think I sort of read this at like the the eagerness to go out and just lock in, Kevin Moore. It's a little bit similar to the Fangio where you are, in theory, building in a high floor, right?

Like this shouldn't be a disaster. I don't think they were willing to invite that low variance. And I don't know that I agree with that. but the way that I sort of read it is the roster is king, right? I think that is how the Eagles view this. We have talked about like they don't view the head coach as the most important piece of the puzzle. You know, you can, to some degree, the head coach is fungible. And what they want is somebody to get what like should be gotten out of the roster that they have.

And that is probably at least on offense, not what happens. happened at the end of last season. I think that's what they are they are sort of searching for here is a tier above competency that's going to get out what needs to be gotten out of it. And it's like the thing we talked about on the flip side in the locker room. Like if the players, if part of what collapsed at the end of the season was the players no longer believed that the coaches could put them in position to succeed, I think they want to just make sure that they are clearing that bar at the most basic level.

You're right. And, you know, I think to build upon that, they particularly want to maximize these wide receivers. Now, you can counter A.J. Brown had the best season of his career, right? Devante Smith could have had a better season, should have had a better season, but still had, you know, a thousand plus yards. But I think when they look at A.J. at at A.J. Brown at Devante Smith at J. it hurts, they're saying, and when I say they, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, you know, Jeffrey, Lori, Howie Roseman? How do you maximize these past catching weapons that they have? You've documented this well. Jeffrey Lorry views, Jeffrey, uh, Jeffrey, uh, through the spectrum, through the prism of the passing game. He wants a dynamic passing offense, okay, um, um, Kellan Moore has brought dynamic passing offenses. The Eagles have made major organizational investments to get a, Brown to get Devante Smith. Dallas Goddard is entering a critical year

here, age 29. Okay. J. Owen Hertz, they paid him $255 million to be their franchise quarterback. Okay, what they want is this passing offense to be maximized. And that is the type of offense you get with Kellyn Moore. And there is also, like this is not a total

marriage of like opposite philosophy. It's like there's connectivity between what the Eagles have done on offense and what Kellermore does. Like, there's, you know, Kellynmore can be RPO heavy as well. So I don't think it's a crazy melding, but it's,

it's going to take a lot of work this off season. And then they have, you know, the good news about getting eliminated early is they have more time to do it than they did, than they did last year. Does the run game stuff bother you? Does the run game stuff concern you?

No. Okay. The thing that I'm curious about is the jail in of it all. Okay. And we didn't really get an. answer on that at the at the end of the season like is that still supposed to be a big part of this offense you know we didn't pay him more to do less well that's not exactly how it played out over the course of the season whether that was injury related or not um i'm curious if that remains

a major part of the offense but in terms of like run past balance stuff and he didn't run the ball that often that doesn't bother me at all and it's just no well it uh i i I go back to what I said at the top of this, that I think they view their offensive infrastructure, the run game infrastructure they already have as sufficient. And in particular, Jeff Stoughtland, the offensive line, presumably without Kelsey next year, but still with major investments across, you know, from left to right on the offensive line. They've proven over the past few years that they think they can just add a running back. And my guess is that's what they do again.

and that you have J.1 Hertz is a factor in the running game too. But I do think they're viewing this like Jeff Stoutland and the running game, you can bring those run game concepts and melt them, blend them with the Kellynmore passing game concepts, and Kelmore's play calling. And it's play design. So I think that, and, you know, Nick Siriani's made this point in the past, and it's probably as pronounced more too here, because, there's a difference between the playbook and the play calling, right?

And the play calling, you could argue needed to work for the Eagles last year. But I think the Eagles viewed the playbook, the philosophy, the scheme needed to change. And that's where Callen Moore brings a different element is that philosophically, structurally, it looks different. And I agree with that, don't you? Like the menu was the problem. Exactly. Not the sequencing, not the ordering. Yes, agree. And that's why when we talk about that Brian Johnson, I don't know if scapegoated is the term, but like Brian Johnson got a tough deal. Brian Johnson was calling from the menu provided to him. And like the big picture Eagles perspective here, and it goes into the big question going into keeping Nick Siriani, is he surrendering the offense?

He already surrendered the play calling. He didn't surrender the offense. I think this is surrendering the offense. I think so, too. What do you make of what this? means for the rest of the offensive staff. Yeah, so we already saw, it's been reported in a few places, Alex Taney, free to look elsewhere. So a new quarterback's coach. I can see potentially a new wide receivers coach, right? And I mean, I think Jeff Stoutland's back.

I think Kevin Patuo's back. I don't have a strong feeling on how this might affect Jason Michael or how this might affect Jamel Singleton. But I would assume that the quarterback coach and the wide receiver coach, there's some changes there. At quarterback's coach, Doug Nussmeyer, someone who's worked with Kellan Moore in Dallas and in and with the Chargers. He was a play caller in college, worked at Washington, worked at Alabama, worked at Michigan, right? It was a big deal when Michigan hired him away from Alabama. He worked at Florida. So he's someone who, who has, you know, coordinator experience if they do bring him in as the quarterback's coach.

Now, I, on one hand, I do think a coordinator should have say, and who's kind of working for him because he's in charge of the offensive staff. On the other hand, I don't like the idea of just hiring a bunch of guys you've worked with before or doing that. I think you have a chance, especially at, like, positions like quarterbacks coach, where you identify someone up and coming. And similar to what the Eagles did with Brian Johnson. And we talked about this with Denise the other day. I wrote about this. There's not an offensive coordinator in place now who was in place during the 2021 season. So if Kellynne Moore is good with the Eagles, chances are he's interviewing somewhere else to be a head coach this time next year.

And chances are the Eagles must replace him. And I know the internal pipeline doesn't always work, right? But that's where the pipeline of like quarterbacks coach could be beneficial. And that's why I'm saying don't just hire someone. the offense coordinator is comfortable with, hire someone you think has trajectory in his career and as someone who can help maximize J.1. Yeah, I'm curious, like,

are they going to try to do, like if they're going to hire Mike Caldwell or Joe Barry as linebackers coach, right? Would they do the same thing and try to really have this, like loaded staff? Like, would Byron left which one, to be a quarterback's coach for a year? Is that too many cooks in the kitchen?

is that too many like big personalities, I don't know. But I'm curious to see how they try to fill it. Yeah, and that's kind of the next piece of this equation. Pass White was on the staff. That would be fun. Yeah, look at that. Yeah, you put the wild clad in. Get all these good former college quarterbacks.

And it also tracks with what Nick said in that press conference about the coordinator is going to be working with the quarterback, right? Sure. And it tracks, too, with what the Eagles have historically liked to do, which is hire someone at offensive coordinator who has the quarterback background. And I keep saying, like, Brian Johnson fit that criteria as well. I don't want this to come off as, like, you know, the Eagles viewing Brian Johnson as the problem last year. I think you framed it well, that the menu was the problem. And so you bring in someone who has experience putting that menu together and calling plays from it. Super chat here from Michael Bennett's dad buys double burger and fries. Am I the only one who thinks these hires are out of character for this team? Retreads are the antithesis of Jeff's historical model.

I will let me Lurie Historian take. Yeah, I actually disagree. I mean, at the head coach level, yeah, but not at the coordinator level. A matter of fact, their best coordinators have been, you know, former coordinators elsewhere. Frank Reich was an offensive coordinator elsewhere. Shane Steichen, actually both of them came from the Chargers, coincidentally enough, right? Just like Helen Morris. Shane Stike and Frank Reich were offensive coordinators elsewhere.

Jim Schwartz, the Eagles won a championship with him. He was a defensive coordinator and a head coach elsewhere. You know, Jim Johnson isn't, well, he wasn't like the young up-and-coming defense coordinator. And I think he did have an experience as a defensive coordinator when the Eagles hired him. So, no, I think at the coordinator level, this actually, fits what Jeffrey has looked for. He hasn't looked for that at the head coaching level, but definitely at the coordinator level

because one thing that he wants is to have that, that, I mean, when I say dynamic coaching staff, it sounds kind of like, you know, they're, like their buzzwords there. But he wants a strong coaching staff. And typically one way to have a strong coaching staff is to have people who maybe we're a level up elsewhere or at that level elsewhere.

and needed to change of scenery or need to come down a level. And that's where they've had a lot of success in that role. Greg Olson possibility, not the tight end announcer, the Seahawks quarterback's coach. But Pep Hamilton? I like a Pep Hamilton. Yeah. Although, you know what? That'll be a good one.

Like, I always dig these Joe Persons stories in Carolina. and you see kind of like how a mess that Carolina situation was last year. McCown. Josh McCall is someone who's like really well thought of inside that Eagles building, right? They've talked to him about coaching on their staff before. Perhaps he's someone you identify as a quarterback's coach because I know it didn't work out in Carolina last year, but you say that was a weird situation. Or they could just, you know, stash him on the practice squad and let him coach from there.

They've done that before. haven't they? Yeah. Here's my, here's my Kellynne Moore take. I'm afraid to say this. I think he looks more like me than Arthur Smith does. I disagree. I think he looks like, you know, Joe Dolan? Yeah. I think he looks like the love child of me and Joe Dolan who never grew up

because he's still got the doughy face, but. If you want to run with that, Sure. Sure. I mean, I don't want to run with it. I don't like it. I mean, I'm more attractive. There's no doubt about that. No, Zach Robinson, but. You see, you keep misconstruing this. You keep saying that I thought that Zach Robinson was handsome. And I'm not against saying that he's handsome. But the story is that he was the talk of the building because everybody else was talking about how handsome was, not me. Yeah. So that's, yeah, that's the old reporter trick. People say, you know, you go up to the press conference. People say you're off. Listen, do I have a... I'm not saying it, but...

Do I have an issue? In your experience, do I have an issue saying when a man is attractive? D'emico Ryan's, his restraining order against you would suggest that's not... Exactly. And so this is not me skirting responsibility on calling him attractive. Yeah. No, I hear what you're saying. But in terms of Zach Robinson, like, I do think that's kind of why...

I think Zach Robinson getting hired is an example of why you might want to ask swiftly if you think you have your guy because these seats are starting to fill. And look, there are only two head coaching jobs still out there. Actually, no, yeah, you know, the Seattle job. These seats are filling quickly and telling more, someone who, if he has, if he wanted to be in a no-see next year and he had options, those, you know, he's not going to wait around too often. And so that's what I, that's why I, that's my read on the timing of it. But I still like the idea of talking to a bunch of different coaches. Yeah, I do think that my general takeaway is that we, we can infer from the way that they

ran this process, that the goal on offense was not to bring in the freshest, like, looking offense around and like really, really infuse all of these brand new ideas and chase, you know, really high upside. I think the plan was, let's get. get to a high floor. Let's get the best known quantity out there. And let's just get it done. Yeah.

And, you know, he's, look, the, the Cowboys part of it, I kind of dismissed the question earlier. But one thing I do look at with the Cowboys part of it is that he's,

he's dealt with big personalities. He's dealt with really talented players. Okay. He's dealt with like top of the league guys. You know, he's, you kind of reference like the baby face, if you will.

But he's commanded or, a room with like bona fide all pros and guys who who have big personalities and big presences and he has handled that decently. So that's where I say like the experience part of this matters. And a matter of fact, I saw a clip on social a few days ago of, it was like Des Bryant's tirade in the locker room. I don't know if you saw this. I think I did do this.

Yeah. And like Jason Whitten was in a scrum. and left the scrum to the figure. But anyways, in the in the background, it was Kellynne Moore's locker because Kelmour was the backup quarterback at the time. And his locker was like next to Des Bryant, right? So he has been around top players ever since he got into the NFL. And I go back in my archives.

And the archives are just like every coordinator coach transcript that the Eagles have had. So it's not as if I got the national archives here, right? And, you know, I type in Kellynne Moore. And it comes up, Jim Schwartz press conference talking about when Kellynne Moore was his backup quarterback with the Lions. And I bring that up because, look, he was behind Matthew Stafford. He was with Calvin Johnson. Okay. So you're talking about someone who ever since he's been in the NFL has been around, like, not just good players, top elite players.

and that can certainly help when you're calling an offense that has two of the 10 best receivers in the NFL on it with a guy in Jalen Hertz who was number two in the MVP voting two years ago. I do think that's beneficial as well when you're talking about commanding the room challenging the guys around you. To answer the Peck Nest migrate from Corey, D'Amico Ryan's Zach Robinson, Cliff Kingsbury. I mean, the nest is easy. Obviously, you're nesting to Miko. That's, I mean, what a silly question. And then I think you care more about the migrate here than the peck. I would say, I would say I'm migrating Kingsbury and I'll peck Zach Robinson.

Ryan Gosling would be so upset. Why? Isn't that who Cliff Kingsbury is compared to, Ryan Gosling? Is he? I believe so. Okay. Don't you see all those memes of it's the from the now who's done on themselves? What movie is it when with Steve Correll and Ryan Gosling?

Oh, yes. And Steve Correll is like the big short. Yeah. No, this one. No, I think it was. I don't know. Steve, yeah. But yeah.

Steve Carrell's in like the baggy, dagg jeans. Yeah. And the oversight shirt. Ryan Gosling looks like Cliff Kingsbury. Okay. All right. I think that I will let you and Rich talk a little bit more about the Kill and More Fit on the show tomorrow. But I do think now that we've gone 35 minutes in, we should talk about what some people want to talk about. Tell us how last night went for you. Yeah, I apologize I did not have this last night.

Will you ever be sleeping again? My wish is probably no, but yeah. Oh, man, all the work that we've been doing, what we've been doing. Yeah, last night was... Emily and I coming on different fronts trying to get you to be rested. It all just backfired. Yeah, last night was a Natville PM night.

No football on for the first time. And since the summer, right, when you talk about college and pro football, there was nothing on this Saturday. I mean, there was a great NBA game I missed. I saw the highlights of it. I had, you know, Emily was out of town yesterday. And so I had a great day with the kids.

But I was pretty... They'll tire you out. Yeah, I was, I was pretty tired. And, you know, I did get a stern, I want to say stern talking to. That's the, I mean, we're, but like a stern, you know, you really need to sleep more comment this week because the Eagles are out of season now. And, you know, there were a few nights when I was either up later or, you know, on, on the iPad and in the middle of the night. And so took Advil PM. And I don't want to be like when.

And Les says every time he works out or every time he went on a run, the Eagles wouldn't make a move. But, you know, these two times I take an Advil PM, and I bring up the Advil PM because once you take it, you're in a trance, right? You're not getting up in the middle of the night to scroll your phone. You are out cold. And so I was out cold. And the last time that happened with major news was when Doug Peterson contracted COVID, right?

So, well, I don't know when he contracted COVID. When he tested positive for COVID. I don't know what he contracted it. So you're saying that it's been three and a half years since you got a good sleep? I'm not saying that. I'm saying that those are two times when I've completely slept through news. Now, one thing, I look, I don't want to mischaracterize this. I do like my sleep.

I do like my sleep. I do like sleep, right? But I'm a light sleeper. So typically when my cell phone's buzzing in the middle of the night, like I will or I just, just like a lot of people do i'll get up at one a m or two a m and look at the phone and then i'll respond there i what's that you pee and then two when you get up in the middle of the night i do i pee yeah i pee in the middle of the night yeah yes just saying so getting older i got to get up in the middle of night to pee okay i i mean i i didn't have to give the full thing but yeah

Plus, we know you're not sitting down. Definitely not doing that. Stand by that, quite literally, actually. But, yeah, definitely not sitting down. Over yourself. But what's that? You got to get over yourself. It's the middle of the night.

You're walking over like a zombie. Just sit down, relax. No. I mean, no, that's, that's, no. I'm, I will stand on, I'm on this hill very proudly. Why are you so proud? about? Why is that something to be proud of? I shouldn't say proud. I'm just saying I'm not going to succumb to the peer pressure of sitting down to pee.

It's not like not not manly to sit to pee. It's not a matter of fact. It's not a matter of being manly. It's just I I don't know why I'm I'm sitting down the pee like I take a load off. In any event, yeah, I slept, I slept through the night, went to bed at like 9.30 when I saw it this morning. Yeah, what was this a, was this like a full heart drop? No, it wasn't like, honestly, I mean, I wished I was up at, you know, 10 o'clock or 10.30 when Howard Eskin put that out. And then, you know, thereafter when some of the national reporters put that out. Yeah, by the way, you got to give credit to Howard because people are, I've seen a couple other like, you know, whoever had it first. Eskin had it first. Yeah, yeah, Howard had it first, for sure.

Yeah. Just like D-Gun had the Fangio thing first, right? Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, first off, I wish I had it first, right? I wish I had some type of tip on this and then I certainly wouldn't have taken the Advilp.m. But, no, look, the Peterson thing bothered me because we were in like the, the throws of training camp back then. And, you know, this time of year, a Saturday night,

championship games the next day, you would think that, you know, you can sneak in a little bit of sleep. But look, I mean, I'm happy that you were around this morning, and Joy was around this morning to do the show. I'm excited for to talk about this more with Rich Hoffman. I'll have some content on p.hly.com this week about it. But yeah, I certainly wish that if I had any idea this was imminent last night, then I just wouldn't have taken that app at the PM. Good question from Daniel. Do you feel well rested?

Well, yeah, I admit the morning after I take, I feel like I'm giving Advil PM an ad here, right? I mean, you guys should advertise with us for as much as I'm mentioning it. You should have to be. Yeah, I'm usually pretty groggy. the next morning from it. So when I sent out a few of those tweets this morning, still a little groggy. And thus I had return staff instead of returning staff. Wish I used the edit function when I saw that.

But my bad. But then, you know, I went outside for a little. I had a cup of coffee. And I feel great now. And I'm excited, excited for these games today. for our coverage and for your coverage of the senior bowl this week. And what was Emily's reaction this morning? She didn't understand why I was, like, annoyed by this.

She was like, why did they do this on a Saturday night? That was her reaction. Like, she doesn't, and I don't think the Eagles planned for this to get out last night. I just think that's when I think they made their decision and decisions came out. There you go. All right, Zach. Good stuff. How about you?

How was your night? Oh, yeah, this is, I forgot to say this. So the irony here is that last night, I was in your neck of the woods. Oh, yeah? We were having dinner with some friends who were moving out of Philadelphia. We had dinner in Ardmore. I could have just gone over to your house and woken you up. That would have been an experience if you came over and woke me up.

If you were like, Kellan Moore's up. I would be like, wait, A, why are you here? And B, let's standing over you, shaking you away. Yeah, yeah, let's do a show. Yeah. You would have had to get past the guards outside your house. No, no guards have to get. I mean, actually, Emily would be pretty pissed because I'd probably wake up kids.

Yeah, I would imagine she would be pissed if I was in your bedroom shaking you a link. Yeah, she would be pissed about that. Yeah. I said to her, did you hear my phone buzz or anything? But that's okay. Next time. You can ask her if I have permission to break into your house next time something like this happens. be the first thing I'm going to ask her.

Wait, so let's just real quick, because I know we're going to wrap this up, but you go to Mobile tomorrow for all our Senior Bowl coverage. And I will do a show tomorrow with Rich Hoffman, I believe at noon, but I need to run that by Julia first because we might have adjusted that time. But then we're going to have a show together most likely on Tuesday. and then you mentioned you and Fran potentially Wednesday. Rich and I will be back on Thursday and then we'll wrap it up in person, Beau and I on Friday. I'm sorry, 2.30 tomorrow. There it is. Thank you, Julia.

2.30 tomorrow with Rich and myself. Yes, I think the listeners can know that like generally speaking, we are we are pivoting towards eventually we're going to be noon every day. This week is going to be a little bit different. We'll fluctuate a little bit because of the senior bowl travel. next the week after that we will be on the scene at the super bowl from radio row i think most of those shows will be at noon but not set in stone yet and then starting like march one or or by the end of maybe post super bowl we're going to start locking in noon noon every day and last question for you any advice for me last minute advice for uh we're co-host to the show but but being in

the host scene like um you know Now, this is a little different. I see what you did there. You brought it back to the peeing discussion. But, you know, when I've been trying to figure out during the past few days, when the quickly chime, like at what point to start the introduction when, you know, the screen grab comes on, the music stops. Well, Julia will tell you she's those. The mics are hot. Yeah. Well, no, the mics are hot before that. But then you come on right before we are, our picture comes on. Okay.

So right at that moment. And then I'm taking us in and out of breaks. I've been working on structuring the show. So, yeah, looking forward to seeing how good you are at this. You're going to do a great job. We've got nothing to worry about. I'm not worried. I'm just excited.

You got handsome rich next to you, too. There you go. Okay. Well, I look forward to listening. All right. Thanks, everybody, for joining us for this emergency, Kellynne Moore Pod. Once again, Zach and Rich back tomorrow at 2.30. Stay tuned all week for some Senior Bowl coverage for... I'm curious to see what the Eagles footprint will be down at Mobile.

If any of these new coordinators will be on hand, as they are also trying to fill out their staffs. My guess is the coordinators will not be, but something to keep. an eye on. We'll let you know. So for Zach and Julia and Rich and the chinless love child of Joe Dolan and myself, we thank everybody for listening and watching. We will talk to you tomorrow and as always. We love you.