PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | Examining Gabe Hall, Anim Dankwah and the Philadelphia Eagles’ undrafted rookie class

Episode Date: May 1, 2024

The Eagles have a long history of undrafted rookies making the roster and going on to become key players. This year’s class is smaller than usual for Howie Roseman, but there are still several players worth knowing ahead of minicamp and eventually training camp. Zach Berman and Bo Wulf go deep on the new guys for the sickos, plus a review of the three draft games. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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be able to look back at some of our pre-draft games. How you doing? Looking sharp. Thank you. Doing well. Exciting night last night. That was fun. Give us, we want to know. Give us, we want to know. Give us Reed's reaction to the Maxi shot. He was saying on the top of his lungs, let's go. He was so pumped. Just like Maxi. So, well, he didn't use the F word. Yeah. But ever drop an F-bomb? Has read. No, but if he ever hears me do it, he'll say, that's a bad word. Okay, he knows. That's good. Oh, yeah, he's aware. He's aware. He has YouTube on his iPad. Just watching F-bomb videos?

It's actually a good question. I don't know how he knows. Maybe the school bus. That's kind of how I found out things growing up was the school bus. Sure. Younger siblings. Yeah. Friends who are younger siblings, I mean. Okay, yeah. He sits next to a fourth grader on the bus. I don't know if that's what it is. Big Flex. We'll have assigned seats.

Okay. I don't know that. What? I didn't know that. Well, that, that'd be an odd thing for you to know. Yeah, but I didn't know that there was a thing that they do now, assigned seats on the bus. I don't know. Is that like to prevent, like, bullying? What is that?

Honestly, I haven't gotten too deep. I know probably so, right? Probably so, or maybe, I don't have a good answer for you. Hope he's got a good fourth grader. Yeah, oh, he's, they're friends, nice guy. Okay. Or I imagine, I haven't met him, actually. I don't know if I'm calling a guy yet.

He's still in fourth grade. I'm not on the bus, right? I mean, I waved him as it gets on. Yeah. But no, that was an awesome game. It actually, the feeling I felt watching just like as an observer was similar to the heat spurs game six. Now, that was the finals, of course, but when Ray Allen, you know, and when what Duncan missed a free throw, and then Ray Allen hits that improbable shot. Like the four-point play is amazing, right?

I get that. But the three from the logo. Yeah, that was cool. For sure. And you see Tibbs on the sideline screaming foul foul and Miles McBride, you know, he doesn't go over the screen, he goes around it. That's why he pulls up where he does. And then Maxey pulls up and right there, look, I don't want to get ahead of myself here. That's like a series changing, it could be a playoff changing play there.

You get that hope. It's kind of like. It's the hope that kills you. I mean, they're going to lose. Don't say that. It's nice if you think that they're not. It's like you talk to Redstock. Yankees fans in 2008, and when Dave Roberts stole second, it changed everything. It changed everything.

Because right there, once that door cracks open, you push it through. I mean, the Sixers are like plus two in the series. Yeah. Every game's been close. You go home. Now, going home didn't help them last game. But they got Embed Stinker out, right? And I don't know. Maybe it's just, I tend to me an optimistic person in general. True. Right? But I can see, I can see a path. I think Austin Flynn's prediction is correct. The Sixers are going to win game six and then lose by 25 in game seven.

Kind of like, yeah, I've seen that. I've seen that movie before. I've seen that movie before. I don't know. I'm just, I got a feeling. I got a feeling. Listen, yeah. And look.

You had a film before the draft. Maybe you're on a heater. You don't want to look too far ahead. and the Bucks did win last night. You really aren't going. You're really going after it. You don't want to win. Look, I know the Bucks won last night. But once I saw that Porzinga's injury

pop on my phone yesterday, I'm like, you know what? This is kind of shaping up. This is stacking up. This is how it's happening. This is preposterous. They're not going to win the series. Every story needs that.

needs that arc, needs that dramatic arc, right? If you're covering, if you're writing a book about the 2017 Eagles, you have Carson Wentz getting hurt against the Rams, right? Every story needs that arc. That Falcons game, that play before halftime. The neon-uneal. So there's always something. And so this could be it.

But what I'm pushing back on, and this isn't to you specifically. It's my brothers. They're not at work right now. I don't know what they're watching. Let's take some shots at the Berman boys. But like, the great thing about sports is that now you have another. You got 48 hours. Yeah, absolutely.

You've got a day and a half of hope here. I agree with that. Right? It's like, I can't imagine going through life. The long darkness of the offseason. I can't imagine going to life being like, ah, they're going to lose. It's going to suck, right? Like, no.

The, the, the, the, you can have both. The joy. You can be excited about the prospect and the possibility of a win. while also knowing they're going to lose. The joy, the joy of sports is that is the idea of tomorrow. It's the idea that you wake up, the joy coming within the morning, right? Like, that's a shout out to Tony Bennett. Good for joy.

Anyways. Good start to the day for Julio Jones. Doing well. And I'm excited for the show. Me too. Yes. All right. We're going to talk about the Eagles' undrafted class here, Zach.

Now, as you talked about, a bit of a roster crunch, only seven spots and only six reported signings for the Eagles so far. They've got the rookie minicamp or the rookie camp this weekend. Maybe they'll end up giving one of those guys a roster spot. And Harry Roseman talked about this. You asked them about it, actually, in the post-draft press conference, that because this year's draft class was considered to be a little bit shallower than most, they... More than a little, I would say. But yeah. Okay.

They loaded up on late-round picks at the expense of undrafted guys, whereas if it was deeper, they don't necessarily care. There's not a big difference between those picks this year. They did think there was. And we'll look at this. It's actually a pretty interesting class, these six guys. And I think all of them, you can make a case, have an actual real shot to make the roster. We can start with, I would say, the guy who's.

Wait, I just want to chime in there because I'm glad you. brought it up. I just kind of want to outline the why, like you mentioned, 58 underclassmen in this draft attributed to NIL, and it's the lowest number since 2011, right? As recently as two years ago, there were over 100. So you're thinking 40, 50 fewer draft bill prospects in this draft. So that's why the Eagles have the smallest class one draft rookies like Boe mentioned. The other, I should say like you mentioned, I'm not talking to the audience, talking to you. You can call me by my name. Yeah, the other thing is, and we talked about this during the draft,

this is why the Eagles saw it 20, 25 picks and trades. They got a third, fourth, and fifth. Next year's class is expected to be deeper. And then it's also why they wanted, like you just mentioned there, why they wanted a cluster of day three picks, recognizing that there was a drop off, that it's not the same depth in the undrafted class. In other words, the player you're getting in the sixth round this year

is not comparable to the player you're getting in the undrafted market for the most part. And I think in other years, they probably see it's fairly comparable. And then we should also just say, before we get into these specific players, the importance of these players, you know, every year somebody surprises in training camp, makes the Seagos roster, turns into something of an impact player. I think last year, Eli Ricks was the only one who made the roster and became, you know, a player to watch the year before, Reed Blankenship.

All of a sudden, he is now a key member of the team, a starter, Britain Covey as well in the same class. and you can go down and down and down the line. Like the Eagles have a long history of these guys making impacts. Yeah, this is how they're selling it. And Corey Clement, you know, had the, he led the Eagles in receiving yards in the Super Bowl. Undraft the rookie makes the roster. They also have a, oh, sorry, go ahead.

You've outlined it well. They have an aggressive strategy with this. That's what I was going to ask you about. And you can get to the strategy before. I just want to add one other thing to kind of how the Eagles plan for this. They say they were more aggressive. signing guys off other practice squads to futures deals this year. Yeah, that was interesting.

So they gave out big guarantees to guys like Davis Price to running back, join O'Quara, players that they were more... Yeah, they were more aggressive on the futures market, recognize, or from their belief, and we'll see if it bears itself out, that that player has a better pathway to the team this year than maybe an undrafted guy. Yeah, I thought that was interesting. And I wonder if that is one where it's like, I don't know, confirmation bias is the right thing, but like you're so convinced that this draft class is

shallower that you're changing your general operating procedure. I don't know if that is going to turn out to be the right thing to do. Like will, does Tyrion Davis-Price really have a better shot of making the team than whatever? You know, we can get to Kendall Millen in a second like that. But kind of curious. But yes, the thing that the Eagles had started doing a few years ago before the rest of the league started doing it. And now it's sort of been caught up as they would be guaranteeing these signing bonuses to these guys larger than most, but with offsets, so that as long as they landed on somebody's practice squad, they weren't on the hook for all of that money.

Exactly. So you're only in trouble if it's Carson Strong, right? And the guy comes in. And even then, you're not in trouble. Yeah. But it turned out to be a bad deal. You give the guy a bonus money. He's not good.

He doesn't end up anywhere. You're on the hook, right? But otherwise, yeah, you're just getting the offset. So you're doing a down payment on his career, essentially. You're giving him the bonus, but that bonus is offset against future deals. Or I shouldn't say bonus. You're giving him the guaranteed money because he's going to get that salary as long as he's on a deal. I hope we can get another summer rookie cooking competition video because that made it very obvious that Carson Strong was not going to be here for long.

Hopefully we got one this year. You judged the cooking skills. I judged his as a quarter. and a leader of the team to not be able to convince 23-year-olds to make cheesy bread. Come on. I would imagine 23-year-olds, like cheesy bread. Exactly. It should be an easy lift.

Oh, okay, yes. And he couldn't get it done. What draft pick do you think, boy, or, I mean, we don't know the undrafted guys. Which draft pick do you think is best in the kitchen? Run them through. Quinion Mitchell, Cooper Tishine. No, no, he's not seasoning anything. Jay Lex Hunt, same for Will Shipley, Johnny Wilson,

maybe too long, he's got to stand too far away from the stuff, so he doesn't want to do it as much. I mean, probably Dylan McMahon, just because he's the best part of the team. Okay, okay. I think Dylan McMahon, I trust with a smoker. I bet he can smoke some meat. Why aren't Cooper DeGene and Will Shipley seasoning anything?

Well, they're putting raisins in their chicken salad. Come on. What's that reference? Come on, don't act, don't act naive. I didn't know I was being naive there. Okay. Let's talk about, let's start with Gabe Hall, the Baylor defensive tackle. And this is the player who, by Dane Bruegler's grade,

was the highest graded player for the Eagles of their signings, a fourth round grade for Dane Bruegler. At the Senior Bowl, flashed a little bit. Now, I will say, if you had to be, to use one word to describe the overarching connectivity between the six-player undrafted class, it would be old. A bunch old guys, but that's okay.

You're not using draft capital. That's totally fine. Reed Blankenship was an old, and look how well that turned out. Gabe Hall at defensive tackle, a bit of a different body type than the Eagles have there. 6-6-294, so a little bit wiry for a defensive tackle, had 12 and a half sacks over his Baylor career, including six in 2021,

four and a half in 2022, dropped a little bit in production last year with just two. This is an interesting player, and I would say, given that he is a bit of a different body type, a real path to potentially making this roster because you look at the defensive tackle depth chart that didn't add anybody in the draft,

Jordan Davis, Jalen Carter, Milton Williams, and then you're talking about Morrow Ojimo, Marlon Tui Polotu. There's an opening there for somebody who can maybe be a little bit more of a a bit of a slasher inside. Yeah, I am with you there. Gabe Hall surprised me that he went undrafted.

Anecdotally, last week at this time, I'm doing my seven-round Eagles mock draft, and I was trying to slot in a detackle on, like, late day three. And Gabe Paul was the guy that I wanted to put in there, but I'm like, this isn't realistic for Gabe Hall to be there in the sixth round.

And sure enough, I probably would have, I wished I slotted him in there just because, excuse me, that frame is hard to find. You know, 6-6-291, like you mentioned, 34-5-inch arms. And I think that type of player, if you're looking for a Milton Williams replacement, Gabe Hall strikes me there. He's like a bigger version of Logan Hall coming out of Houston, right? And so I actually liked, I did watch some Gabe Hall coming into this. I liked him in the draft.

I tend to like some of the Matt Rule recruits as it is when he was at Baller. He was a Matt Roll recruit. And I think this is the undrafted player with the best path of making the 53. Interesting. I ran a 503 40-yard dash. That's 66th percentile, a 31.5 inch vertical jump. That's 76th percentile. excuse me, 765 three cone drill in the 50th percentile.

You look at the athletic comparisons just on the body type. One guy who jumps out to me is Brent Urban, who has been in the league for a long time. I covered my UVA. Out of Virginia. I bet you did. Canadian. And also an old at the time that he was drafted. One thing that sort of makes me think about is Gabe Hall potentially, if you're thinking of the scheme flexibility here,

if you're going to be in those sort of three, four looks, maybe he is more of a three, four, defensive end for them and can play that role if they're trying to, you know, move things around. Yeah, I mean, if you think he can play in like a five technique spot, then certainly, and that's a body type that they need. How about I'll just read you the Dane Bruegler strengths, weaknesses in summary. How's that sound?

The strengths. Aces the eye test with his tall, sturdy frame and outstanding length, flashes the upfield power to knock back blockers and generate a bull rush as the linear burst and flexible torso to win with a slithery arm over, swim move. Swipes are quick and help clear the extension of blockers, uses his long arms to reach, press out blocks, slice gaps, and make stops from the backside. Able to drop and redirect his weight in pursuit to chase the ball,

throws his weight behind his strikes, to jar ball carrier as a contact, uses large mitts to find passing lanes and bat down the football also had a blocked field goal at Baylor, experienced up and down the line and has yet to play his best football. Weaknesses can bend, but his coordination breaks down

because of his high hips and taller stature. Can be moved by angle blocks when his base narrows, awareness versus the run, is inconsistent, which often leads to him losing sight of the football. Spends too much time attached to blocks on tape, mostly because of his tardy play diagnosis, needs to broaden his arsenal of pass-rush maneuvers,

shows the ability to reach his second rush option but is often forced to sacrifice his positioning to do so below average backfield production and his pressures dropped from 34 in 2021 to 26 in 2022 to 21 and 2021 and 23 as his role changed managed only eight solo tackles in 2003 and his effort can waver throughout the course of the game summary a three-year starter at bailer hall lined up primarily as a three-technique defensive tackle in head coach dave aranda's hybrid fronts there are two many peaks in on his tape, which is reflected on the stat sheet, but the highlights leave a lasting impression, including his performance during senior bowl practices. With his quickness and length,

Hall can win off the snap and penetrate gaps or overwhelm blockers when he stays on schedule to pop, separate, and close. However, consistency is often absent from his tape because of underdeveloped awareness and streaky reactions to the blocking scheme. Overall, Hall boasts disruptive traits, explosive and his power length, that jump off the screen, but he is too much of a flash player and needs further development to better impact the game on a down-to-down basis. He projects as a rotational three- or five technique with starting upside if he finds better consistency with NFL coaching. I hope Dane gets some royalties for that.

I mean, we are leaning so hard on Dane. I mean, I hope that he gets paid by subscriber that he brings in to the athletic. And I hope it's a hefty fee because he deserves it. I'm going to stay out of that, but I, I, Are you afraid of upsetting management? By saying Dane Bruehler should get paid more? I think Dane's amazing. I've been on record saying that.

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I'm giving Joya a shoutout. I could say Julia and I went to high school, but I want to... It's so weird. I have a friend of ours from high school who's brought it up and I'm like, why does that go I say where you went to high school? The way that you said it is specifically like you went, she went to somewhere else. Abby? Abby. Abby? I appreciate Abby listening.

What's up, Abby? And her husband and Eli listens all the time. Eli, you're the man. Thank you so much. You've said that before. What? Eli, you're the man. Oh, referring to Eli Manning?

Yeah. Okay, yeah. Yeah, where Julia and I went to high school. I just try to, I want to make sure that we're including Julia in the show. That it's not just you and me on camera, but that joy, I mean, really, it's the three of us to show. It's not the, yeah, but I got to, we got to pull back the curtain a little bit here because we just, we had a, we had a lovely meeting today with the people from True Mark. Yes. We're going to get to know them, really nice and like learn a little bit more about the brand.

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Don't, let's not go there. That's also, yes, you can call me out. K-1-1 says, Julia, do you know the other Bermans? I don't want to speak for Julia, but Julia does know the other Bermans. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Okay.

As I know the other Hoffs as well. When you think of undrafted defensive tackles for the Eagles, who do you think of? Undrafted detackles for the Eagles. Damien Square. That's a good one. That comes to mind. Who else? Cedric Thornton?

Yes. Antonio Dixon? Yes. And of course, the great Anthony Dixon was before my time. The great Anthony Rush. Okay. Yep. Anthony Rush, big guy.

Um, Tedric Thornton, good guy. I'm actually friends with him on, on, um, uh, social media forum that they can feel free to. On a social media forum. Yeah. I'm sure I say what, which, which, which, which, which one it is? Only fans? I don't know. Oh, it's so weird.

I don't want Facebook. Um, like, like people don't know what Facebook. No, I'm saying, well, I'm saying they can advertise, right? Yeah, I don't think that's going to happen. So I see what's going on in Sedd's life. But Cedric Thornton had a great, actually, so he was represented at the time by Jimmy Sexton, who was Bill Parcells' agent. But Bill Parcells found out about Cedric Thornton. Scouting Cedric Thornton actually called his agent and said, you should represent this guy.

Like, this guy's really good. And I did a big piece, actually. It was one of the more fun stories I did when I was at the inquiry. or said Thornton, Benny Logan, and Fletcher Cox were the starting defensive line in the 3-4. And I sat with the three of them and just did like, what's it like? It was about the relationship of the three of them. But what's it kind of, you know, tell me your jokes. And it was just them talking.

It was dialogue. And it was great. And I heard about the old, you know, the olfactory sensations of the D-Line meeting room and what they say when someone falls down and things like. like that. So it was a fun story to report. And I remember, yeah, I remember Fletch. I remember Fletch, Benny, and Cedric being great guys to speak with. All right. Let's move on now to the signing that I am the most excited about. And this is a player that we talked about in the pre-draft show for offensive linemen. Eagles did not draft a tackle. We know that they signed Mackay Becknett. But they signed a big old boy in a Neme Danqua from Howard, who is...

six, seven, and three quarters, 349 pounds. He will turn 24 in October. And if you're talking about a long-term project to get for Jeff Stoutland, I think a Niem Danqua is an exciting one. Now, he only started 25 games at Howard, had a few injuries affect both of the 2021-2020 season,

played exclusively at left tackle. You're talking about arm length over 35 inches, about 10-inch hands, big wingspan around a 5-4-440 so this is not like a the world's best athlete at that size but boy is this a a sun shielder good job sunshelder like that uh i admit i i i did not watch howard film leading up to the draft i have been a green stadium in washington dc on howard's campus um but i uh if i just look at the profile yeah that's jumps out to me, right? That's the kind of guy you want to develop a Canadian, so that he's got

that in the plus column. Yeah, I think whenever you have someone with that size, what's that? Went to Taft. He went to Taft? For a year, yeah, last year of high school. Ah, okay. I know someone went to Taft. Played Taft and Squash in high school. You played squash? I did. Really? Yes. Wow. Okay. I can actually see that. Pretty good. How are you? I don't know anything about squash. How do you play squash?

Like, he's like a... With a ball and a racket. Okay. I sometimes maybe conflate squashing cricket. Squash and racket ball, you're probably confused. Yeah, okay. So you're just hitting against the wall and that's that squash, right? Well, there is another player you're playing against.

Yeah, but you're not hitting it to the other team. Right? You're not... But it's like, it's like, uh, ten. tennis in a box. Okay. And you're standing next to the other person. Gotcha.

Okay. If I wanted to play squash, where would I go? Like, how would I... Squash court, probably. But where do you find? There's no squash courts to look like that. Pennsylvania. Philadelphia is a big squash place.

I know Penn's a great squash program. Shout out with the Penn. But I never, like, I don't think I've seen a squash game in person before, ever. I'm sorry. So I'm saying where... Did your high school have a school? Squash court? We did.

Okay. Yes. I didn't start playing until like eighth grade. I needed to, you know, I liked basketball, but I wasn't going to be playing like four years of varsity basketball. So. So I got to get me in good shape for baseball season. Oh, there you go. And soccer.

Yeah. Yeah. At my high school, we had a winter track, which like if, you know, I would, which would just kind of run around outside and get ready for baseball season. There you go. Yeah. Anyway, I named Dan Gwa. You want to give you the brood? Yeah, let's hear.

Shout out the Dane. Dane should be paid more, and I'm brave enough to say. Strengths, massive size. You don't need his jersey number to spot him on tape. Good line. Broad-shouldered and comfortably carries 350-plus pounds. It moves lighter than expected with the lateral quickness to mirror edge rushers, gains ground quickly in past slides and works hard to maintain knee bend,

wears the number 77 jersey because of Tyron Smith. Able to eat up bull rushers and spit them out. I love that. Steers defenders in the run game once he gets his hands on him. Creates wide lanes and downblocks and churns his feet on playside runs, described as self-aware and upbeat, and has a good handle on what he knows and what he doesn't, according to an NFL scout.

Started all 12 games in 2003 after battling injuries as an underclassman. Weaknesses. Upright and plays top-heavy, maintaining a steady, weight needs to be a priority for his pro career, can do a better job maximizing his length to keep defenders at his fingertips with better timing and recoil, gets in trouble when he oversets, lacking ideal redirect skills for natural recoveries, needs to improve his efficiency, anticipating and reacting to twists and games, struggles to control himself out in space and in the screen game, his field vision and instincts are still a work in progress, which is expected, considering

his relative inexperience, missed chunks of the 2021 and 22 season because of injuries, doesn't have large sample size against high-level competition. Summary, a three-year starter at Howard, Danquah, lined up at left tackle in the Bison's zone-based run scheme after splitting the first 18 years of his life between Ghana and Canada. He committed himself to football and showed incremental improvement each season in college, helping Howard win back-to-back Miak titles in his junior and Caesar's senior seasons. There is a major difference between his 2021 tape versus Maryland and his 2023 tape against northwestern. With his towering size and super long arms, Danqua often makes first meaningful contact

and forces rushers to take elongated paths around him. However, he tends to be overly reliant on his length and upper body control, leaving his feet stagnant and out of sync with his hands. Overall, Danqua is a work in progress as he learns how to maximize his gifts and compensate for his tall center of gravity, but his promising movements and God-given size are the foundation of something an NFL coaching staff can mold in several ways he reminds me of an FCS version of DeWond Jones. Okay, I like DeWan Jones coming out.

Basketball player. Indianapolis, Ohio State, yep. Great drop. Thank you. Yeah. Look, I'm just saying, I just read all that. I need give me like 10 seconds. Okay, yeah, I'll give you more than 10 seconds. Look, when you have 35 and 1 8th inch arms,

and you're 68, 349, it's a good project. And when you're at Howard, you're not facing the same type of competition that obviously if you went to, you know, UVA or VALTAC, just to or Maryland that pick schools from that region. But you can't teach size, don't I know it? So, Dankwa is certainly worth it for that reason. Frankly, it's a frame when you just hear those numbers. That's comparable to Jordan Milata. Now, Dunk was 23. You know, Jordan was 20, 21 when the Eagles.

drafted him. And certainly a better athlete as well. Yeah. Testing. Yeah. Yeah. But this is the type of player that you bring him in, you hope you can get him on practice squad.

Yeah. You develop him for a year. You develop him for a year. And, you know, maybe you have a king done lap type. Oh. Who do you think of as undrafted tackles? Because offensive line, you got your sui. You got your Nate Herbic.

Yeah. Well, Matt Tobin was a tackle when he started with Eagles. He kind of played some guard, but that's the tackle that probably jumps to mind. That's a good one. Okay. What about you? Yeah, I guess Tobin. I'm trying to think, yeah.

I think they've mostly been interior guys. Yes. Yeah, I mean, you got your Casey Tucker, but. Oh, I was thinking guys who made the team. Yeah, so was I. Okay, yeah. I don't think there are a ton. Gotcha.

Okay. Oh, Austin Howard. Okay, before my time. I remember Austin Howard. Okay. All right, let's stick on the offensive line. and another player who started at a smaller school, but then ended up, he got to Maryland for his final year,

and that is Gottlieb Ayedj, is the pronunciation of Gottlieb Ayedj, 64308 last year at Maryland, already 24 years old, started his career four years at Frostburg State, and over the course of five seasons in college, 47 starts in 48 games was a left tackle at Frostburg State, a right tackle at Maryland, and also played one game at right guard. so willing to kick inside.

Yeah, so he was on my radar when Dane put him in his seven-round mock draft for the Eagles a week and a half ago. And so it's like, all right, well, this is a guy I need to look at. The tackle guard versatility jumps out. Certainly that frame just screams, you know, guard more than tackle. So. Guard more than tackle! Okay.

But yeah, and we should also say that Chris, our ace social media guy, our social media director, I should say. You can call him an ace. No, I call him social media guy. There's a better way of framing it than that. But he was high on Gottlieb. High on that Dancua. So certainly that's someone who follows Maryland, and that jumps out. Yeah, I mean, we know the quality of offensive linemen you can get from Maryland.

That's for sure. What offensive tackle jumps out to you from Maryland? Who is that guy who was like a really good athletic test? Anthony Davis? No, he went to Rutgers, Anthony Davis. I don't know. I don't know. Okay.

I mean, Michael Dunn is the only offensive lineman I care about. Oh, there you go. Okay. Well, if Michael Dunn's watching, he'll appreciate this name. I had to do like a diary entry on, um, Maryland offense line when I was at the Washington Post, or multiple-dire entries leading up to the draft, and the players, the player's still in my phone book or like still in my contact thing. I'm not going to delete that. You never know when I come in here. So Bruce Campbell. Bruce Campbell, yeah. Bruce Campbell, yeah. So that's a good one. That's the one that jumps out.

Okay. Now, just in terms of the specifications, I had Jay, not, you know, arms, not as long as Danco, 33-inch arms. about 10-inch hands, but not quite the same physical specimen if you're just looking on a guy to dream upon, but probably a more polished player if you're just comparing the two of them. And I do think there is a spot here for a developmental tackle to make this roster.

You want me to do that? No, no, no, I think we're good. How about just the summary? Yeah, the summary is a good way. Do you're already at 1237. A one-year starter at Maryland. IYEDJ played predominantly right tackle in offensive coordinator of Josh Gattis' Godeeks,

RPO Heavy, Multiple Runs, Despite only playing football for six years, one year of high school, four in Division 2 and one season in the Big Ten. He played well with the Terps and several NFL teams bumped his draft grade between the summer and the end of the 2023 season. Although he can use improved hip role in the run game to create displacement, Ayyed Jay is efficient out of his stance and on the move, staying patient and past protection to mirror rushers in smaller spaces. He started only one game at guard in 2003, but it came against Illinois, and he more than held his own against potential first rounder Johnny Newton. Overall, IEJ doesn't have overwhelming size and needs to prove himself against NFL power, but he plays with control and several baseline traits that will translate well. He projects as a developmental guard who can play tackle in a pinch.

You going to follow up with that? I thought Danes summarized it very well. He's a tackle who can play guard at a pinch. I just need an exhale after reading. You got to give you something. Yeah, Johnny Newton played well against Johnny Newton. That jumps out. I think what scouts would call those Sunday reps.

That's the term. Like if you're sitting in the draft room and you're watching, you know, your draft pick against the guy who got drafted somewhere else, you would call those Sunday reps, right? Saturday reps are like a guy who's not going to play in the NFL. So whenever you see him hold his own against Johnny Newton, you say, all right, that guy did well on Sunday reps. Gottlie by Eiji, Anim Danko, those are guys with a lot of meat to them, you know?

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Oh. And then that made me think of the classic Alfred Blue, the ball carrier. Okay. And that's what made me laugh. Gotcha. Okay. So I was... Alfred Blue, the ball carrier.

Okay. You have such a... That's not allowed? That's got to be a flag. I mean, I... You get them down however you can. I see. You know what?

By any means necessary. Oh. You're sophomore humor, man. Seriously. Yeah. You want some highbrow humor? Yeah, let's hear. Let's talk about McCallon Castles.

Okay. The Tennessee tight end, who is far as a movable chest piece. pretty straight line can really only move forward back and side to side unenthused by McCallel by by castles

went back you didn't get my joke oh because he's a castle like a Rookin in chess yeah I'm familiar with yeah can't go diagonal I'm familiar with

with chess did not play them in the I did not play the TAF school in chess but I certainly have played a game or two of chess

in my lifetime we should do that for a show in June Just one hour of you and me playing Chessie against each other. Oh, you would wipe me clean. I see you playing on your phone. It's been a while, but yeah.

You're like Kasparov. Yeah, me, just like Kasparov. Searching for Bobby Fisher. It's Bo Wolf, right? That joke didn't land. What else you got? That wasn't a joke. Yeah.

Tell me about the joke construct as a fan of comedy of searching for Bobby Fisher, it's Bo Wolf. searching for him, it's you. Right? Yeah. I was listening to a podcast yesterday on my way home with Jerry Seinfeld. It was the NPR hour, or I'm sorry, it was the New Yorker hour with, it was David

Rebnik interviewing Jerry Seinfeld, and he was saying that like, you know, anyone could tell jokes. It's the writing, that's the craft, like the writings, the bullets. And like, if you don't write, if you're not coming. committed to the writing, then like the jokes land flat. And so I know he's talking about joke writing, but like I appreciated that he viewed himself, he viewed himself as a writer, like as, you know, as like a craftsman. And I respected that sentiment.

I'm actually looking forward to watching that movie this weekend. What movie is that? Frosted. We're unfrosted. Yeah, it's the movie on it. It's about the Pop-Tart, the Jerry Seinfeld directed. Okay. Yeah, that's on my list of entertainment this weekend.

What else is on the list? Well, game seven, you know, when the Sixers win. Okay. Okay. Probably watch the Giants are coming to town, I believe, Philly's Giants games, right? NBA playoffs. I'm back. I haven't coached Reed in baseball in a week and a half.

I'm back on the field this weekend, so some of that. Yeah, I'm celebrating my niece's birthday. So, yeah, there's a handful of things. So nothing else on the list of entertainment then. Well, how much time, though? I'm not sitting in front of the TV. But you said you put it on your list of entertainment, and you didn't name anything else on the list of entertainment.

I did. The things I'll be watching on TV this weekend are Game 7 and unfrosted. All right, let's talk McAllen Castle from Tennessee, but a bit of a varied journey throughout his college career. This is a six-year college player who was already 24, will be 25 in December. Two years at California, three years at UC Davis, where he was pretty productive, and then one year at Tennessee where he was not a starter, but still had 22 catches for 283 yards and five touchdowns.

This is a 64248, a former basketball player. So this is not of the Jack Stoll variety. This is a little bit more of the Trey Burton, if you're just talking about a guy who, in theory, if he hits, is bringing something to the table as a receiver, probably not as a block first guy. and if you talk about this roster, they signed CJ Usoma

probably to draft proof the position because they didn't need to force it and I think he's probably still the number two tight end. You've also got Crane Calcutera there, Alberto O, and so they don't really, like Uzama is the only real blocking guy, but I think there's an opportunity for Castles if he surprises.

Yeah, and he's about the same age as Usama as well, right? I think Uzama's older, but yeah, you're right. I was using your line here. It's probably about as old as Calcatera. Yeah, this is, This is a six-year guy in college. Okay. Cal, then UC Davis, then Tennessee.

He has a master's degree in agriculture leadership. Got to love that. Yeah. Honestly, I was unimpressed with... Agriculture leadership? Yes. What do you think that means? It means he's leading agriculture.

He has... You, over there. Plow that. You, over there, you ho! he's planning he's going to barking orders and farmers

yeah he's he could start he could start a landscape and company he can start a yeah

I don't know yeah he's he's he's he's very familiar with agriculture he's he's working

you might call him a leader in the agriculture field a leader in the agriculture industry yes

yeah I mean he look he's he's he's from South Lake Tahoe okay um

so so so so what? I was saying Soutley Let's compose ourselves here So when I I did watch McCown castles

And I guys say I was It's from South Lake Tos Oh we're so punched drunk All right Please please please His high school is SLT So I didn't think like Slut

This is This is ridiculous Be a professional Yes Come on I mean Journalism Let's come on.

This is not. This is, all right. So I went back and I watched McCallin Castle's play. And I was, I was unenthused, to be honest with you. There were other players on Tennessee that jumped out to me more. I mean, he's undrafted. Yeah, he's an undrafted player. I don't actually think there is, look, I could be wrong.

He could come in and be really good. I would rather Calcutera. I would rather Alberto. than McAllen Castle's, but we'll see. He did have some impressive pro-day testing numbers, 4, 6, 7, 40, and also jumped very well, 37.5 inch for 10 feet, 6 inches broad. So in terms of roll the dice on a undrafted tight end,

that's a guy who has some powerful tools in his body at least. Yes. Okay. Plus, it's from South Lake Tahoe. I was going to say South Lake Tahoe, South Lake Tahoe is probably a fertile ground for agriculture, is what I was trying to say. That's what I was trying to get across. All right, two left. Let's talk Kendall Milton, Milton, rather, from Georgia, 6.1.5 to 22, 25, 22 years old.

This was a player who was part of the Georgia backfield rotation, but never necessarily grabbed the job. by the horns, but two starts last year in which he ran for 790 yards on 121 carries, 14 touchdowns the year before, 592 yards on 7 yards per carry with 8 touchdowns, so a bit of a touchdown maker. One thing you can say, not a lot of experience as a receiver, only 12 total catches in four years in Georgia, four last year, five the year before that. So this is not, this is the opposite of a Will Shipley in terms of the body type, more of a between the tackles guy, around a 4-6-2 at the combine, 35 and a half inch vert,

10 and 4 inches on the broad jump. I was a little, you know, I'm not going to say underwhelmed like you were with McKellon Castles, but I didn't see like a ton of like make you missability, stuff like that from Kendall Milton, just from watching him, but adding to the backfield where they don't have a number three running back until it became Will Shipley. I actually liked some Kendall Milton. Really? Yeah.

And I didn't think much of him leading into the draft because of the time testing, right? You don't want to – we see a 4-6-2 running back. It certainly isn't impressive there. But when you watched Georgia last year, so their top running back was DeWan Edwards, right? But late in the year, late in the year, Kendall Milton really came on. And Kennell Milton was a decent recruiter. I remember him. I think he was out of – I don't have him in front of me, but Fresno, California,

which I don't know much about their agriculture. But Kendall Milton, you know, he signs with Georgia, and he kind of waited his turn. Georgia typically uses a rotation backfield. But I thought later in the year, he actually came on decently, and you like the size. He is a, you know, he is a big physical back. So he's competing with, you know, Lou Nichols and Davis Price for some of those death spots. And, yeah, I seem to like him more than you did. A bruising back, says Dan Bruegler.

Milton is a one-cut runner with good vision to key the block that can spring a chunk gain. 32.5% of his carry has resulted in 10 yards or more over his final three games of 2023 once he was healthy. He runs hard with quality pace but lacks creativity and doesn't have dynamic moves. He'll need to hit quick closing NFL lanes. Overall, Milton is a good-sized hammerback who runs with balance and offers blocking upside, although his injury history, soft tissue left knee, poses concerning durability questions. He will need to make his mark on special teams

to warrant a roster spot. Yeah, so he found the touchdown. Oh, I'm sorry, he found the end zone on basically, you know, 11, 12% of his carries, 14 touchdowns on 121 carries. I talked about him coming on last year, the Ole Miss game. He had nine carries, 127 yards, two touchdowns. He had a 51-yard score in that game. Georgia Tech game. He had 18 carries, 156 yards, two touchdowns, against Florida State in their bowl game.

They win 63 to 3, but he has 9 carries, 104 yards, two touchdowns, a 43-yard touchdown, right? Florida State was missing most of their guys that game. But still, I think there's something to be developed there. Let's count to three and name an undrafted Eagles running back. Ready? One, two, three. Reno Mahe. I thought it was implicit we would do someone from our shared time together. Okay, so then Corey Clement. Corey Clement, yeah.

Okay, good. All right. Last one. Close this out. Our friend Andre Sam from LSU by way of Marshall, by way of McNeese State. Yes. Seven years in college for Andre Sam, who is 25 and will turn 26 in February. Walked on originally to McNeese State, five, just under six foot.

193. This is a safety and profiles more like a maybe a box linebacker, but really like a special team's upside player, went to Marshall for one year after his career at McNeese State, where he started 10 games out of 12, and then last year at LSU started all 13 games, led the team with three interceptions,

ran a 459 40-yard dash, 36 inch vertical jump, 10 feet, 3 inches in the broad jump. Pretty good athlete. Because of the age, you're not thinking about a long-term player at safety, but a guy who actually think has a real chance to, like if the egos are going to put a little bit of an extra value on special teams this year, because of the new kickoff rules and the roster construction, a player who has a chance to maybe sneak onto the roster. Because of the numbers overall at safety or just because of the importance of. Special teams.

Both. I think he has a chance to, I mean, he profiles as a really good special teams player. Okay. Yeah. And look, that's a pathway for some of these undrafts guys. Frankly, when Reblankenship made the team, I think that was part of it. Now, he showed some defensive juice, but certainly his ability to help on special teams was a big part of it. And that's kind of how I think you would want to see that from Andre Sam.

It wasn't. And by the way, it is Andre Sam. It is not Sam Andre. No, you've been wondering that. No, I was not understanding. There's also an apostrophe after the E on Andre. That's my favorite way to spell Andre. Why is that?

Because the apostrophe makes the E and A. So, Andre, yeah. No, that's if it's an accent on top of the E. This is an apostrophe after the E. Okay, so I interpreted it all. We're not talking accent, agueu. Accent Aigu, yeah, Jadour, right? But in any event.

I was going away by him. I didn't think negatively of him. Second Eagles rookie from Iowa. Okay. Yeah, after Cooper the Gene. He's from Iowa, Louisiana, though. Okay. Yeah, I was kind of wondering how I did not know his hometown. Okay. Interesting. Favorite undrafted eagle safety? Elijah Riley. I mean, I can't say Quentin Michael. You can say Quentin Michael. I thought it's implicit that it's a player that we covered.

I mean, read Blankett chip. Nice, yeah, that's a good one. Like Reed. Do you remember, we should have talked about this with Gabe Hall, seeing as he's from Baylor, but do you remember when Harry Roseman was making the post draft rounds a couple years ago and was really talking up Grayland Arnold? How could I forget?

Yeah, Grayland Arnold, who, was he with the Texans this past year? I believe it was. Still in the league. Like the Grayland Arndon. Nice guy. Yeah. Small hands, I remember, as part of his schedule. It's all relative.

Sure. Yes. But yeah, how he was all gazzed up about that one. Yeah, it didn't work out in Philadelphia. It worked out elsewhere.

Okay. You know, with Howie would say then. Good job at the scouting department. What's up with the coaching staff? Probably so. Yeah. All right.

Zach, before we close things out, we've got to close the books on our three pre-draft games. Okay, you had the duck, duck juice draft, which we did about a month before the draft. That was when we drafted positions. And boy, did you wipe the floor with me here? You took corner with the first overall pick, and I took offensive tackle.

So you got 13 points on cornerback in the first two rounds. This is a game that is given points for the opposite, you know, seven points for the first round, six points for the second round, five points for the third round and on and on down the line. You had cornerback, wide receiver, defensive end, and running back, totaling 27 points. I had interior offensive line and linebacker, totaling eight points, just a donkeywomp.

of the utmost degree. Congratulations to you. Thank you. Just dominated. Nicely done. Broken clocks right twice a day, right? Okay. Next up, we had turkeys to the kingdom.

This was with you, me, and less, where we allocated our turkeys over several different things. And I was the reigning, defending three-time champion of turkeys to the kingdom. Could I possibly extend that to four straight.

We had a bunch of different things here. The Eagles first pick of the draft will be the Eagles second draft at 22, before 22 or after 22. You know, where will the second round pick be? Where will the position will the first round pick be? What position will they take in the second round? How many draft picks will they acquire? How many will they draft a pair of college teammates? They ended up doing that.

And this one came out. Thanks again to DeNiz for tallying this. Zach, you had 360 turkeys accounted for, less 364 turkeys accounted for, and I had 369 turkeys accounted for. It is four in a row for me in Turkey's to the Kingdom, which many people are saying, now the most prestigious of the pre-draft games, Turkeys to the Kingdom. And then finally, the 2024 Owl You Know draft with Sheal, where we each drafted 10 players who we thought the Eagles were most likely to select.

and this one is scored with a point for the round that they're drafted in. So first round pick is one point, a fifth round pick is five points, and then three points as a bonus, just for getting it correct. And Danes didn't know this, but the rules actually changed this year, where if you selected a player who the Eagles did not bring in for a pre-draft visit, you got double the points because it's just a higher degree of difficulty. So people didn't know that, but that's how it works. Did we announce that ahead of time?

I announced it. Okay. Just, I think, to Julia maybe. Oh, okay, okay. But, yeah, so that's what happened here. So, Shield gets Johnny Wilson. That's nine points. Now they brought him in for a pre-draft visit, so he just gets nine points.

I had Dylan McMahon, of course, which would have been nine points by the old scoring system, double it to 18 because the Eagles did not bring him in for a pre-draft visit. What a call that was. Probably the best singular call of anybody in the pre-draft process. and then Zach, you had Cooper Dejean, Jalick's Hunt, and Ania Smith. So, you know, you went open book tests there, but you racked up the numbers. So you got to 19, which beats my 18. Congratulations to you again, the weekend of Zach stamped in permanent ink.

Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach. Thank you. Thank you, Julia. Work on following it up next year, right? You're only as good as your next draft. So I just want to make one thing clear Because that laughing fit was embarrassing But why you're having fun

According to the Nevada Tahoe Conservation District Okay The NTCD they strive to strengthen the budding Urban Architecture I'm sorry urban agriculture movement In South Lake Tahoe What have you clarified there

That there is that agriculture is a part of the Lake Tahoe, the general Lake Tahoe community. And so if you're... Some might say agriculture is part of any community. Some more than others, right? I mean, if you're in more of an urban area, there's less agriculture, right? Like, for instance, the top, I think, like, the Sacramento-Fresno area actually has a big architecture, agriculture, community. But yes, South Lake Tahoe, I knew they had a budding agriculture community, and that is

why I referenced the fact that he was from South Lake Tahoe. So I just wanted to reference, I just wanted to correct that. And did you find any information on what agricultural leadership is? Well, I imagine someone who leads these, this urban agriculture. I would imagine, yeah. Effort. So, no, I will give you more information there. Thank you. Joy. Joy has pulled us up on screen. Is this from the University of Tennessee? Oh, look at that. Yeah. Okay. I can't read that right now, but, um. Why, you blitzed? What's it? No, I, I, high on the Danqua. It's small type. I can't read that right now. Yeah. All right. Well, I guess that'll do it for this entertaining and informative episode. Wait, can I ask the audience something real quick? Okay, Bo's not going to be in tomorrow.

it's Rich and I are here. The last time we did a mailbag was the last time Bo was absent, which was the end of March, okay? It was actually after the owner's meetings. It was the shows after the owner's meetings. It's May 1st today. It's May 2nd tomorrow, okay?

More than a month has passed since we did a mailback. Appropriately, I thought, all right, it's a good time for a mailbag. Would you the audience like a mailbag, or would you like my plan B and plan C, which I actually thought would be good next week when Bo's here, which is to give our depth chart breakdown on offense and on defense.

I was trying to find a show that would make sense to do when Bo's not here, considering your version to mailbox. I'm open to a mailback. I just think it's convenient that the only time that someone else has to come up with the show idea, we just go to the mailbag again. I got to say, this is actually... Must be tough. Must be tough. Heavy lifting. the creative load, huh?

Jerry Seinfeld said, Jerry Seinfeld said that, you know, it's a big debate in the comedy community. Crowdwork. If you're going to come up with a new hour for every show or if you're going to give the bits that people like. Like when people go to see, you know, the Rolling Stones, they want you to play the hits, right?

Yeah, this is a classic Seinfeld thing. Yeah, exactly. I would like to see, I would rather see Jerry Seinfeld work on a new hour. Okay, so I'm, so I'm, so you want to talk about the craft? I would like to see that craft. Yeah, but I'm saying so so people tuning in, uh, they might want to go back to they might want comfort food. They want, they might want the mailbag. It's been a long time since you did the mailbag. I can tell you when I went to high school with Julia, okay, and Bill Simmons would have his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his mailbags, I would get so excited, right? Like, uh,

Pete Vernon and, and me, we would print them off, um, in the computer lab. We would would go through. Don't get Pete in trouble. We know Mr. Vernon's listening. He would, you know, Bill Simmons would always end it with, yep,

these are my readers, right? Great, great, you know, it was a great kicker to the column. So,

yeah, so I, I think that this, there's nothing wrong with some comfort food, right? You can try to mix up the menu sometimes,

but sometimes you just want the classic veal parm, right? And that's kind of what the mail. It's just like that. and feel the dreams where Ray Leota says as long as you don't as long as you throw it over the plate

you don't need a catcher. Right? It's similar to that. I suppose if you hit it out of the park you're not going to strike out. So what would you guys like? How about this? You can email me at

Zach at all p.hly.com. You can DM me on Twitter, on Instagram. You can Facebook message him if you sign into Cedric Thornton's account. You can Facebook message me, whatever you want to do. Tell me what you want. Or actually, tell me if you're opposed to a mailbag. Otherwise, Rich and I are going to do what I think is actually a wonderful way to construct a show,

which is listen to what the listeners want and the viewers want and give them what they want. Find out what's on their mind and address those questions. Tell them you what's on their mind and address those questions. All right. What an episode. Thanks to everybody for watching and listening. Back tomorrow at noon with Zach and Handsome Rich. Off on Friday and then back next week.

But I do want to say Friday, though, is the Eagles minicamp, or the rookie minicamp. So follow along for any updates, and we'll have stuff on all p.gly.com. Well set. Thank you to Julia for putting this show together. We will be back tomorrow. Thanks to everybody for watching, listening.

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