PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | Fran Duffy weighs in on what the film said about Jalen Hurts’ Week 1 performance

Episode Date: September 10, 2024

It’s a long week of prep for the Eagles, with a Monday night home opener on the docket against Kirk Cousins. So we settle in with Fran Duffy for a fine-tooth comb on what the Eagle eye in the sky said about the Kellen Moore offense down in São Paolo.Join Fran, Zach Berman and Bo Wulf for a Tuesday tête-à-tête-à-tête. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody, and welcome to the PHLY Eagles podcast, presented by Bet365. Download the Bet365 app and use code PHLY365 when you sign up. Whatever the moment, it's never ordinary at Bet365, and it's never ordinary when we have the great Fran Duffy joining us as he will be doing every Tuesday and Thursday. We've also got the great Zach Berman and the mediocre bow wolf at the helm here. How's everybody doing? Happy Tuesday. Happy Tuesday. That's what Jonathan Gannon used to say. And it's always a happy Tuesday when I get to review the film with Fran. Or when you get to just think of Jonathan Gannon.

Or that. Fran, how are you? I'm doing great, guys. I'm excited to dive a little deeper into the film with you and just kind of share a sharing I saw on Saturday and on Sunday morning. So excited to kind of empty the notebook here. All right. Well, let's get right to it because there's plenty to get to. Now you have written two stories on all p.hly.com for the diehards going over both the defense and the offense.

But let's do this, you know, first time doing it this way. Let's just go straight, position by position, work our way through, take some big takeaways. And that means we can start right away at the quarterback position with Jalen Hertz. Zach and I talked about this a little bit yesterday, how the number, bearing out that he, relative to the rest of the league, gets a little bit worse, the longer that he's holding on to the ball. That was sort of the case in this game as well. But what were your general takeaways from Jill and Hertz?

And I guess my big question for you, Fran, is how often were there times when he wasn't thrown to somebody who was in his progression who looked open? The only one that I thought that was like a brutal one, but was like, I wrote down like, oh, he should have stood taller in and liver. was the sack late in the second quarter right before half with Kishon Nixon. That was one where I thought a receiver was breaking open where if he had stood in and stayed true to the progression that it was there for him. I think overall, if you were going to kind of grade this performance,

it would probably be like an above average performance. It wasn't his best day. The two interceptions were bad. And I agree with you with what you said on the show yesterday, but a great show yesterday with you guys, by the way. I was in the chat for a good chunk of it. the chat. Yeah, I had to interact with the sickos as best I could. But I think when, you know, you look at Jalen's day, you take those those interceptions, which were bad decisions, going back and

watching the film, I understand what he was seeing. I thought he was a little late getting there on the Devante Smith play on the opening drive. Couldn't step all the way into the throw because Landon Dickerson was right there in his lap as he couldn't get his cleats in the ground. After that, I think Landon kind of changed his footwear up. But I think when you look at, The first interception, I thought that was a little bit late. The second one, I understand what he was doing, but that's, again, a cardinal sin of playing quarterback is he don't throw late across the middle of the field. He chose to do that because he saw A.J. Brown wide open.

We've seen Jalen make those plays in the past. And so it stands to reason why he would try and make that play again here and try and ice the game. But in that situation, a field goal puts the debate about this Friday in the post game show with Vinny Curry with Jamie Lynch. If you're in that situation, that's just a tough interception to swallow. I want to ask follow-up questions for everything you say, but I also kind of want to keep this moving as well. So I'll spend some time on Jailin. No, no, no.

I'm saying I have another Jalen question here, which is this. Throughout the summer, it was, you know, the talk of motion was almost like Mike Zimmer with the double A gap lits, right? Everything was telling more is bringing motion, tell more springing motion. You watched the film, as you noted in your film report that the Eagles played, had their most motions since 2020. What did you see from Jaylen Hertz in motion specifically? And when they weren't in motion, how did that affect him? You know, the way I'm kind of looking at this and the way that this offense is going to be

orchestrated this year, it's almost like you take the whole mental load for Jalen Hertz to split it up. You split the cake up into two parts and you say, okay, we've got the pre-snap phase and the post-nap phase. And as we've talked about, Jalen Hertz is taking on so much more in the pre-snap phase. So what can we do to remove some of the mental load from him after the snap of the football? And I think that's where things like motion, the stacks and punches, the, you know, just finding space for his playmakers. Yes, in a way that that is is simplifying the offense, right?

And you would say, oh, well, why are you doing this? If you're paying Jalen Hertz off money, why are you making it easier for him? First of all, that's what you should be doing. You know, in all NFL offenses. Like, that's what Andy Reid does for Patrick Mahomes and Patrick Mahomes is the best league, right? So you always want to be able to find easy buttons for your quarterback. But to me, just watching the offense, it was that the progressions were very, very clean and very easy to decipher for Jalen Hertz in this game. And the play that we talked about on Friday and it kind of showed up on film was that Seekoine Barkley touchdown catch, the first touchdown of the season for the Eagles where, you know, even if that first read isn't there, if Sequin Barclay was taken away on that play, you had Dallas got her coming across the formation right in his field of vision, Jalen.

And so it's not like he had to drop back. And if Sequin's not there, he had to get his eyes all the way over to the other side of the field. He was able to really quickly get from one to two and then to three, right? And so I think ultimately that's what you want for your quarterback, especially, you know, a guy that still trying to take on more of that mental load pre-snap. Again, just make it a little bit easier for him after the snap of the ball. What about if we want to be positive about Jail Hart's performance? What were the things that were, you know, the best things he did in this game?

certainly the blitz i mean dealing with pressure understanding where the answers were and that was something that you know i didn't want to write about it uh in the in the preview piece last week bow because you know honestly honestly without seeing preston we don't know exactly what the answers would be and it's going to change on every and any given play and any given game plan and so i wanted that was one of my big questions going into it was all right what were the answers going to be how is jalen going to respond to pressure uh and when we saw the numbers on friday after they came out after next Gen stats put those numbers. Okay, that's a good sign.

But still, what does it look like? I was very surprised that Green Bay wasn't a little bit more aggressive. I was expecting double-digit pressures. I was expecting for zero looks from Green Bay. Not a single big blitz. What's insane? Yeah. That was very, very surprising for me.

But I do think ultimately when you look at Alyn and how he was able to operate against pressure, that's probably the biggest positive sign you could take away from this game. Fran to kind of take the audience behind the scenes, Fran sends Bow and me his film notes. And I got to say, like, Fran can be entrepreneurial and sell these notes on the black market. These are incredible. Like, I'm digging it. In addition to the big picture takeaway. That's exact to think that you're making a mistake by not being entrepreneurial enough.

That's not class exact. I was complimenting him by saying these notes from a standalone perspective, are incredibly valuable. But you have, you break it down by play here. And to kind of follow up on what you just said, there are a few plays here where you say, Hertz's answer for pressure, eyes in the right spot.

You have one here. It was a play to Calcutara. Answer versus Blitz. Big difference from 2023. That was a really good play. Yeah. So I bring these up as a way of saying, which plays from your perspective really highly.

what you're discussing here. I would say the two were the ones that I included in the breakdown would be AJ Brown 20-yarder early in the game where he had a nickel pressure coming off his side. And basically with that play, you had six defenders on the line of scrimmage from Bay. And this would be both of the best example of them trying to be aggressive, even though they didn't send six, you got a six-man front up front. So that's the five offensive linemen and running back, Seekwan Barkley.

They have to account for those six. And the protection can't change after the snap of the ball. So if anybody outside of those six defenders come, that's on Jalen Hertz. He has got to be able to beat that defender. And so as it turns out, they dropped two defenders out and the nickel corner came. And so he's coming off of the side, off Lane Johnson side. Lane Johnson can't block him. So Jalen has to beat that either with his arm or with his legs.

He threw with anticipation to E.J. Brown on the opposite side of the field, knowing where the answer was in that progression. I thought that was probably the best throw in terms of just like understanding. where the answer was against the blitz. And then also that Grand Calcutera one was a good example as well, because that was not a pressure look. That was your typical four-down, you know, nickel package. Linebacker came from the second level.

And when the linebacker's coming from the left, another linebacker that was on the right, he's going over to the left to replace that linebacker that was blitzing. And so Jalen immediately went, all right, if that linebacker is rotating, I'm going to go where that linebacker just left. And that's where Grant Calcutera was. So just a great understanding of where to go against the blitz.

So it was big time from Jalen Hertz in that scenario. Matt Lafleur is going to tell his defensive coordinator, I mean, my guy, we're not getting anywhere if you're going to be Jeff Halfley. I need you to be Jeff fully, you know, don't, not, none of this tiptoeing, send your whole body in there. Come on. I'm not selling that one. Jeff Hathley is better than Jeff Quarterly, though. Well, yeah.

That's one I will sell. Look at that. Oh, that one you'll sell? Yes, that one I will sell. That was a good one. Okay. How about your takeaway, Fran, on the, you know, the discussion that Zach and I were having a little bit about just, you know, the athleticism levels that we're seeing from Jaila Hertz. Does he look any different to you? And on some of those reads in this game, those QB reads, there was one especially, I think it was like second and two when, I mean, it felt like just give that ball to Sequin. I don't know what his keys are on that, but what did you make of his decision making on that front? Yeah, I think the, you know, the zone read and the RPO games were just a little bit messy, schematic.

and from the execution standpoint. And there were some things where it looked like, this might be a busted play, where guys weren't looking, you know, when Jalen looked like he wanted to throw the ball. So I think overall the operation was a little bit messy from that standpoint. And I do think that that's one of the,

if you're going to incorporate more motion into the offense, and if you're going to be practicing some new things, then some of the other staples that you've, that you've had as part of the offense, you're not spending as much time on those. And so there are some things that will have to get buttoned up and, or just get rid of one of the other altogether. right. And so there's only so much time that the guys can spend from a practice standpoint.

So that's why I wasn't expecting the offense to come out like this well-oiled machine in week one, especially given the fact that there was no preseason reps for these guys. And so that was understandable. As far as the first part of the question, though, Bo, I think, yeah, I don't think that he's got that same level of juice that we saw a couple of years ago. Now maybe part of that was the playing surface. And he wasn't as bad by like AJ Brown had the fastest time he that he's had in however long, right, on that 67. our touchdown. So I do think the surface impacted every individual a little bit differently. But we were saying the same thing last year with the injury. And so I don't think like raw speed

has never been Jalen's strength as a rar. It's more like he's just he's so powerful. And he is a glider. And once he gets to the open field, but he's not like explosive in that short area. So, you know, I think maybe if we see him try and break off some of those long ones, maybe he'll look more like the vintage Jalen Hertz we've seen from a couple years ago. on the topic of Jalen Hertz runs, so to speak, and this might be an offensive line question, but Nick Siriani was asked yesterday about the brotherly shove. He didn't want to get into the specifics of these circumstances, but he said... He's close to the vest. God forbid you know what our secrets are.

He said there are circumstances that I'm trying not to give too much away. There are circumstances that go into that play being successful. And then he said, and some of the things that we were challenged with on Friday night made it a little bit more challenging to be successful on that play. I don't know. I might be putting you on the spot here, but like, were you able to decipher what the issues were on the brotherly shove? Was it Juergen snapping? Was it any footing? Was anything that nature? Yeah, what were the challenges that challenged them? Well, I mean, putting the ball on the ground is never good. That's going to be a challenge, no matter what. So that's one

of the two. I think the other one, you know, I was talking with a couple people over the weekend in terms of like the playing surface and just like, in my mind, how can that happen, right? How can you, especially for the team to go and do the walk through the day before at the stadium. And all the reports, I know Sal Powell and Sal Palo was saying, you know, that everything looked good. Everybody was excited about the playing surface. You know, all systems go. And then you get out on the field and everybody's slipping left and right.

So how does that happen? And so talking with some people, it's like, all right, well, you can't replicate game speed. And I said, all right, well, yeah, the soccer players are on this every single day. They're out there. They're playing for years on that field. And they said, well, the difference in, first of all the size of the athlete, but then also the violence that occurs when in terms of how the players interact with the turf.

Soccer players are you're kind of gliding for long distance. It's not as violent as football where it's a lot of explosive short area bursts over and over with 260 pound athletes. You just don't have that with soccer. And so the playing surface did not work out as well for those guys. And again, for some players, it was an issue throughout the entire night. Avanti Maddox struggled to stay on his feet the entire night. Jordan Love struggled to balance the entire night for others.

Like Sequin Barclay, I think made a change after that first play where he fell. And then we didn't really see an issue for him the rest of the night. So again, it affected some guys more than others. But I do think that that was probably something that he may have been referring to is how they asked those offensive linemen to fire off the ball. And that's what we typically have seen like Jordan Milata and Landon Dickerson creating such a surge off the snap on that play. And that wasn't really that guy.

I'd have to go back and watch them now. I'm thinking about it from that standpoint. point, but I don't remember seeing that level of surge from that side of the line, for sure. I just want to say that soccer players buy Miller Light and Zibiotics, too, so they're not getting any shade from me. Okay. I do think that the cleats and the slipping coming into play again, I feel pretty confident in saying that Howie Roseman was MF and somebody in the building about this happening again. like how do we not have this fixed how could this happen again yeah and that's what like even in the

broadcast that early on they're like oh like green bay they feel like they feel right at home but i'm watching when i was watching the film like green bay was just as affected by i said jordan love every single time he dropped back watch his right foot when he hits the top of his drop and it slides every single time malik willis did the same thing is sliding at the top of his drop every time and there were guys in the front seven offensive line they had guys falling and slipping left and right as well so um it did a affect both sides. But I agree. That's why I was bewildered Friday night, Saturday as I'm watching the film. Like how could this possibly happen again after what happened a couple years ago? All right. Let's move to the running back. And obviously what a debut it was for Sequin and Barclay.

We've talked about that. You wrote about it a little bit. So we don't have to harp on it too much. But what are the, you know, the big takeaways from you not having had a chance to see Sequin in, you know, the preseason seeing him in this offense. What jumped out to you? To me, the decisiveness was the one thing I was most excited to see. I've always known about Sequin, obviously, his physical tools, his height, weight speed, his explosiveness, his power, all of that stuff is evident anytime you watch him play. But my big knock on him, and we talked about this last week was, you know, you didn't always see a guy that was willing to play within the structure of the offense. And he would be too quick to try and bounce outside or cut back against the grain. And at times, he was able to get away with that because of his physical tools.

But that would often result in, you know, one yard, one. yard, one yard or minus one, zero yard and then 60 yards, right? And so that to me is just a tough way to live. And I personally just don't like running backs with that style. But with Seekwon in this scheme, I thought he was consistently able to stay downhill. I thought that he trusted the scheme more than I've really ever seen from him. And then also just running behind his pads consistently because while Sequan Barkley has always been like naturally powerful and you look at his lower half and the way he's built and the way he moves and you say, man, like this is a powerful human being. He didn't always run. that way. And I think that in this game, I thought that he did a really good job of creating yards for himself after contact. And what was missing from this offense year ago over the last couple of years is running backs that can create their own yardage more than what the offensive line and the ecosystem creates for them. The great stat from you here is in, it's a Barclays 24 carries. 16 came against a light box where he total 92 yards more than he had in any game with the Giants last season. So it's safe to say that you,

saw the benefits of playing within this offense in his debut. Yeah, that was courtesy next gen. And it was one that honestly, it kind of like personified. That's not the right word, but it really encapsulated everything that we had talked about. Yeah, yeah, exemplified. There we go. Thank you. Everything we had talked about after the Sequin Barkley edition was all right.

Well, he goes from being the top dog for the New York Giants where he is the focal point of every defensive coordinator's game plan to now he's just a piece of the puzzle. here with this Eagles offense. And I thought special notable, Zach, because the book on Jeff Halfley was they're going to be a single high safety team. And that means that you're going to have that safety rotated down. It should be more locked in that way. But because of the way Green Bay chose to really kind of spread things out and defend the Eagles from a past game standpoint, that really opened things up for Sequin Barkley. And so I do think that defensive coordinators are going to have to choose their poison when it comes to defending the Eagles. You're going to try and load up against the run

game or take your chances there on the outside with a j brown and devante smith just looking quickly at some of the numbers on um you know after contact how he did and it was you know it was like a 85th percentile game for him in his career in terms of just yards after contact because i was that is one of the things that that jumped out to me is that he was breaking more tackles than than had been the book on him and the the thing too is that a lot of his the yard after contact in years would be he gets hit behind the line of scrimmage or he gets hit at the line and he shrugs that off and he goes for 30 yards right and so one play might carry a lot of that in this game it wasn't necessarily as much that it was i think of like the uh those red zone carries that i included in the piece

you know he's putting his he's putting his shoulder pads down and he's picking up an extra four yards five yards six yards after the first tackler gets there and it's like the dirty yardage that's what we hadn't really seen from sayquan barkley in my opinion in years past just so seeing that decisiveness and that trust in the scheme and his and his ability is i think that's a good sign and then as a receiver obviously he had the touchdown and you've talked about that play extensively um i mean only one other catch do you expect that uh that will sort of be the usage like maybe one or two shot plays per game and otherwise he's sort of staying into protect i think so and then also just he'll be there as a checkdown uh you know and there are going to be

times where he is the answer for against the blitz and he's the where he's going to be the hot for jalen hertz at times and again that just depends on each play and that's where it comes back to jalen just understanding like all right on this play call in this week's game plan we're going to get all five out into the route and so if there is a if there is a blitz and one of our five offensive linemen can't pick them up then i have to get over to sayquan so we saw a lot of that in the pre-serie in the summer and training camp obviously did not see it in the preseason but we saw a lot of it in practice was Sequin underneath, Sequin underneath. My guess is watching it from field we couldn't confirm, but watching it from field level, it felt like a lot of that was more like,

all right, checking it down, understanding like there's pressure or those first reads are taken by, building that rapport. And I think that's probably more of what we'll likely see. I don't think we're going to see multiple wheel routes a game from Sequin Barkley. The other thing quickly on the receiving game, we saw a handful of those 21 personnel snaps. We've talked about that in the past. what jumped out to you from those. Yeah, they went into that package and they kind of went into hurry up mode. They ran it three or four times in a row and just kind of using those, you know, using a Will Shipley as my candy in the backfield. He was able that that was who they brought in motion on that Devante Smith fake bubble screen.

And so to me, like that's, that's been the hallmark of a more offense is not necessarily like the usage of 21 personnel, but it's just mixing up your groupings and finding different ways to, you know, to create. space for your best players. And that's what it kind of goes hand in hand with what the Eagles have done in the past where, hey, everything is going to be funneled to A.J. Brown, Devante Smith, Dallas got a very tight funnel there from the past game. But now you're doing it in a way where it's not just we're going to let those guys make a play because they're superhuman and they're better than the guy across from them. We're going to create space for them to make things easier for them at the catch point. So guys, we have some breaking news. Yeah, I think I see.

We have some breaking news. And I think the nice week of the Eagles feeling good about their victory down the drain. The season is over. The Los Angeles Rams have signed Dylan McMahon to their active roster off the Eagles practice squad. Very too hill-esque. Howie, pack your knives and leave. Jeffrey Lurie needs to find a new general manager. well I want to go

The Gambit Yeah but this is the The idea that you can get them on the practice squad This is this is what happened to Casey 2 Hill And Well it's not what happened to Casey 2il Because Casey 2il was on the active roster And then they waived him

Yeah okay but Similar type of thing Yeah similar type of thing Okay A draft pick who Was on the practice squad But yeah now You you wonder if they should have carried him

As a deaf guy on the 53 because here he is. He's now going to the Rams. The Rams are a smart organization. I think Steve Avilia got banged up in that game on Sunday night. So Dylan McMahon goes to the Rams. Tough loss for the Eagles who were developing this backup center. Or is a depth center.

This is bad process. We have Fran's breaking down the film. We don't need to spend 15 minutes on it. But yeah, I agree with you. I agree with you. I agree. I mean, Fran, let's, let's, let's, spend a little bit of a minute on Dylan McMahon. What did you think of Dylan McMahon this summer?

I thought that he was solid. It wasn't anything. To me, like, you had to be okay with this outcome to take this risk, obviously, right? And so I think that from what they saw of Dylan McMahon, they did not feel strong enough to put him on the 53 to keep this from happening. So would they have liked to keep him on the practice squad all year? I'm sure they would have. But, you know, it's one of those things. You knew the risk going into it. And, you know, offensive line. Those injuries are going to pile up around the NFL and teams are always looking for good ones. And another practice that a lot of teams utilize is, all right, who are the best, we'll say offensive lines in football? All right. When they make their final cuts, who are the guys that don't make it? Because they have a great offensive line. There's a good chance that they have some young talent that couldn't make the cut. But we might have value in.

And so it was only a matter of time, in my opinion, before someone came sniffing around Dylan, the Eagles just did not have a roster spot to be able to save for him right now. like as we sit here in week two to say, all right, we're going to try and keep you here on the 53. Well, I do wonder the process here in the sense that, you know, when Sue Opeta back in 2019, the Eagles promoted him to the 53 or because the dolphins were trying to sign him. Sometimes teams go to or the player goes to the team.

I wonder if the Eagles would have put Devin White on IR or would have put Isaiah Rogers on IR or something like that to try, you know, just to buy that of the open up that roster spot because there are ways you can do so. Well, you're absolutely right that this is an outcome that they were amenable to because there were many ways to avoid this. We talked that cut down about, you know, the wasted injured reserve spot on Alberto Kewabunom that could have been used for Trevor Kagan or somebody else. We've talked, I mean, last week they promote Orrin Burks from the active roster. Now, I guess he needed to play special teams last week because of Devin White and you needed

to elevate Nick Gates and E.J. Jenkins, but there were ways around that as well. Also, the guys that they did keep. I mean, we can talk about one of the funniest snaps. The funniest snap from the game the other day was when Tristan McCollum had to actually play safety. And, like, they carried him on the roster and sort of what already looks like a Mario Goodrich redo

from last year. Listen, is Dylan McMahon, Jason, Kelsey? Probably not. Who's to say? I mean, and yes, he only plays one position. He's not offering you game day versatile backup. But like, you're drafting him in the sixth round because of the traits, and I think he had a good summer.

He showed everything you expected him to show. They're going to regret this. He's going to be in the league for eight years or whatever it is. Just for, I hear what you're saying, the one thing that's kind of been made clear to me, and you can roll your eyes when I say this, but that Trevor Kagan's not injured. So that they, like, you can't say he was injured,

but like there's certain, you can't just stash a guy on IR if he's not getting treated for an injury. And my understanding is that Trevor Kagan is not injured. The thing that had kept him out in the preseason was a very minor thing. And Albert O is, like, actually injured. Well, yeah, God forbid. I'm saying they can't just like say Trevor Kee,

we're putting you on IR to keep the old McMahon. He was injured at the time. They could have done that. Yeah. I'm just saying what's been explained to me here. That's all. I think the Eagles are going to miss the playoffs. And you can bet on that if you want.

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The second one, you can just debate, that that's on Jalen Hertz or not when you get into the QB Center Exchange under center. But I think ultimately, when you look at Jurgens in this game, we expected him to do well in the move. We saw all those little fold blocks where he's pulling in between the guard and the tackle and getting up to the second level. So we saw that. And then also him at the point of attack, you know, that that, that Sequin and Barclay touchdown run, the first one where he makes that cut in the hole. It was a seven or eight yard run. They had a great double team at the point of attack between he and Beckin.

And I thought Jurgens made that double team. You know, Beckton's playing a little bit high and he's got the guy that initial contact. But then Jurgens comes in and he plays with such natural leverage. And he's able to uproot the defensive tackle and get him off his spot. And that's what creates that room for Barclay to be able to get downhill and find the top of the, find the end zone there. Cam Jurgens looked really good at the point of attack. I thought the past game stuff looked fine. I think the line of scrimmage guys for the most part, as we mentioned, you know,

were most affected by the surface. But I didn't notice anything with Cam Juergens that would make me think, hey, this guy is going to have some trouble out of the gate. I thought he looked really natural early on. How about the player next to Cam Jurgens, Mackay Beckton, because he's the one who's getting a lot of love right now on social media. First start at right guard. Nick Siriani said yesterday that you could see like the length that he had just in terms of keeping players

off of Jay Allen. What did you see there? I thought he was solid. I think it's probably the, like, the hype for him. You see the octave level raised a little bit there, the octave level raised. And so I'm inferring just from that tone that you thought it was good, but we're getting over the, you were more, Juergens was the, was the bigger takeaway than Bechted. For me personally, yes. I think if I were to rank like the five offensive linemen with how they perform just solely on,

on Friday, I would have it where Bechton was probably the. fifth out of those five. You know, I think, you know, Lane Johnson was excellent. I think George Milata, landed Dickerson, you're expecting that standard. Cam Juergens, I thought, was just, just did a little bit more for me in the game than Bechton, but it's not like Bechton was bad. I think that he just plays a little bit high. Yeah, exactly. It's just, I think that overall, the hype around Bechton, I think it's just, it's a great story for a top 10 pick. He's sliding inside the guard. He had a couple highlight block the second level where he's mashing a 230 pound linebacker. like that's great.

You want to see that. You'd rather see that than not. But to me, I thought Juergens just the, the place where he did well was a little bit more functional, a little bit more sticky and more important than I think that some of the highlights that are going around on Bechtin. So what then would have been the negatives? Yeah, I don't think it was the negatives on Bechton.

I think that it's more, hey, when he's one-on-one, he plays a little bit too high too consistently. And so that, when you're when you're an offensive lineman, and you're going to play high. Honestly, that's why some people don't like their guards to be that big. Look, you can struggle to get the leverage to be able to move a guy off his spot. That's what made Brandon Brooks so good is that he was so big, but he was also able to play with such consistently good leverage. He was just a big, strong, powerful man and had the ability to move those guys off their spot. And I think when you look at Beckton, just continuing to try and play with better technique

on a more consistent basis, I think that is what will kind of take him over to the next level. Go ahead, Zach. Do we want to stay on the O'Line or do we want to get to the defense at this point? Well, quickly, Fran, anything on the wide receivers and tight ends? I think the big thing would be like looking at Devante Smith's usage. You talked about that yesterday, Beau, in terms of playing more slot reps than they've seen him in the past. And, you know, I don't think that I think we're going to see all of these guys moved around more than what we've seen. Certainly we've seen that with Devante.

We'll see J continue to move around. but the bigger one for me is just like those guys, and we talked about the motion, just seeing them on the move and creating some of those scenarios for AJ Brown, his long touchdown, that was him in motion. And the big thing is that, you know,

the motion wasn't long. It was three yards difference. He was lined up number two, and he lined up and he ended up moving like six yards to the right to line up as the number one receiver. But it just adds another layer of communication. And all of those guys, all the DPs, all the guys in the back seven,

on a whiteboard, like they know everything they've got to do on every single play. Hey, here are my rules in this coverage. If the wide receiver runs this concept, this is what they like to do from a down and distance tendency standpoint. But we've all played,

I'll show my age a little bit here. I don't know if all of our viewers played the game Simon when we were younger. At some point, like your memory stops working and you're going to, you're going to bust. You're going to lose the game, right? And so just adding another layer to that in terms of, you know,

just making those guys communicate. Did you play some type of? I didn't own Simon, but I was one where if somebody whose house I was going over to had it, then I would try it. Then I would try it out. Gotcha. All right. I didn't know if he was talking about like Miles Simon or former linebacker John Simon. I can keep on going down the list. You know, the LSU cornerback, Therald Simon. But yeah, those are the Simons I know. Wow. I mean, there's nothing effeminate about the game Simon. Why do you make everything about masculinity and feminine? He was nothing to do with that. I was only Simon I know.

Simon Cowell. Who the hell is that? How dare you? Wings and nachos. You got something that you're sticking to your craw, because I said nothing like that. I was a friend. We all heard it between the lines. Not at all. I have a love of Farrell football. And so I'm simply mentioning NFL players named Simon, Corey Simon, as they say in the chat.

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Is that fair? Yeah, I mean, he was, I think I put in the piece that in the first two games, so the Thursday game between Kansas City and Baltimore and then the Eagles game on Friday night that of all the players that had at least, I believe it was 19 pass rush snaps. He was the only one that did not have a pressure in those two games. And so, you know, I think that again, with that caveat of the playing surface, you just want to be able to see more. We know that if he's going to reach the ceiling and the expectations of that one pedigree, that he's going to have to turn it up. as a pass rusher and as a disruptor. He consistently does not play low enough. We talked about that with McCaithin.

He consistently plays too high right now, even in the run game, to be like a huge difference maker at the point of attack in the run game as well. And so I think ultimately we're looking for from Jordan Davis is to be more than just that splash player that we've seen in the first couple of years. And he did have one of those on the very first snap of the game in the backfield and creates that TFL. But we just didn't see him or hear from him from that point on. And so I think just continuing to see.

more from him in both phases of the game. It's important for this defense. Yeah. Are you seeing him be a difference maker in the run game? No, I think that right now he is operate. He can hold on, he can hold on to the point of attack, right? He can hold on to a double team. But like for what you paid to get him, you need him to be more than that, right? And so while I'm not saying he's like not a functional player and like a functional

nose tackle in their scheme, but if he's going to reach that expectation, he has to be more. Speaking of not seeing someone, I was critical of Bryce Huff. I talked on yesterday's show about the playing time distribution. When I go through your notes today, the front seven notes, I don't see his name in there. And so that probably speaks to the same thing that I just said, that he wasn't making his presence out. I know it's one game and you're dealing with the turf there. But what did you see, if anything, from Bryce Huff and what does he need to do to be more of a factor? Yeah, not a ton, certainly. I think overall, and this isn't just like a Bryce Huff thing, I think overall in the run game, the guys up front just stuck the blocks for a little bit too long. I thought we saw some good flashes from Brandon Graham. We saw some good flashes from Jalen Carter. We saw some good flashes from Nolan Smith at the attack, not enough from Bryce Huff, not enough, as I mentioned from Jordan Davis. And so I think collectively as a group, you're hoping to just see a little bit better when we get back into the friendly confines of the grass at Lincoln Financial Field. But I

I think the big thing we're hoping for is just more disruption from that group overall. Big snap, big pressure from Morrow Ajama on that third down late in the game. Yeah, which was great to see. I think when you look at him as a player that can kind of be what Milton Williams has been for this team in the last couple of years as like that spot rotational player with, you know, with the hope that he can grow into more. Milton obviously taking on a little bit of a bigger role. I'm interested to see, honestly, in week two guys against Atlanta, if that like the snap discussion if the if the pie is sliced up the same way or if the guys were just rotating more as they were getting used to the footing you know what I mean

because we saw I think saw huff sideline on the broadcast a couple of times like changing shoes right so like uh that was that was how much will that change against the falcon all right it well I just want to make the the quick note here regarding Jalen Carter because we talk about his physical gift so often it stood out to me in your notes the amount of times you you pointed out the effort plays that he had effort on a screen twice uh in in those notes um is is that consistent with what you saw throughout the game no question i and honestly that is like the culture and we talked about this uh in the post game show with with viny right bo that uh that those guys have established in that room over the over the years and so you know brandon graham and fletcher kine carter walks in the room when nolan smith walks in the room as rookies. When Jordan Davis walks in the room as rookies, like, this is the

standard. And if you don't meet the standard, you're not going to play. And now you're hoping that those guys continue to carry that torch. And Brandon Graham obviously is still there to help with that. But it seems like Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith, like that's not going to be a problem with those guys up front is consistently showing that motor to the outside. And it's been the same for Jordan Davis as well. He has made a lot of plays in pursuit. But that has been a hallmark of this defense, no matter the whoever the coaches, the defensive line coach, defensive coordinator, you go back through like Billy Davis back to, you know, to Todd Bowles from last year.

Like those guys always consistently chase the football up front. All right. Let me ask you about the rookie on the outside because this is what you wrote in the, in the pre-show notes. As excited as I was about Quinnian on Friday post game, the tape was better than that. How? Why?

So, you know, he was. targeted a bunch in the game, right? So, and it was one of the, he was targeted as much as anybody over the course of week one. I think he was finished like the top 10 of DB targets. And I think when you look at Mitch, so those were the plays that on the broadcast were able to see. We saw the first third down, the Christian Watson. We saw them go. We talked about that intermediate route that he was able to break up in the second quarter. To me, there were more of those shots that were taken in his direction where he deterred the throw because he was, he saw it coming and was able to jump the route and force the checkdown. And so, uh,

though when you factor in the competitiveness and the speed and the lack of panic and all of those things that we saw on the place where he was targeted and then you factor that in with what we saw on the where he even targeted that's what got me more excited because man like all right it's more than what we even saw on Friday and that's one of the things that's great about being able to go back and just watch a tape from angle is being able to take in some of that stuff that you don't see from the tighter broadcast uh tv angles and so um yeah kunya mitchell i was very very uh it's not not surprised, but excited by what I saw from a guy making his first start. Because honestly, I went back and I watched the film from Sunday night football, the Lions and the Rams, and Terry and Arnold was targeted a bunch by the Rams and by Matthew Stafford. He struggled. He did not have the same quality game that Queen John Mitchell had. And those guys are going to be compared a lot often moving forward

just because they were drafted in the same area. And the Eagles obviously had their choice. And through one week, I would get the initial to Queenian Mitchell. And so then the stay on Mitchell, but to kind of open it up a bit too. Avanti Maddox, I don't want to say, well, the term might be liability, but he did not play well based on my viewing. I'll defer to you.

Quinion Mitchell, like you said, play really well. As you study this and as you analyze this, do you think Quignan should stay on the outside? Do you think when Isaiah Rogers is back or even Kili Ringo, do you think they should move Quignan to the inside to get the best three out there? how do you see Avanti's performance and Quignan going forward? I think the big thing with a lot of the catches that Avanti gave up, he was slipping and sliding. And the first third down of the game where he was targeting, not the first third down conversion by the Packers, I should say,

where he was targeted on that out route. It was at the bottom of the screen as we were watching on TV. Avanti fell at the top of the break. The pass interference penalty, he's slipping and sliding. And that's why he grabbed. So there were just a handful of plays where, He clearly just did not. And I don't know if he was changing his shoes or not or if he was just trying.

I don't know what changes and adjustments he was making, but they were not working for him. He was struggling to stay with both feet on the ground throughout the course of the night. So he would be a player where I'd say you're expecting that to look a little bit better moving forward. As far as the second part of your question, though, Zach, I think that for me, the long-term plan for Quinnion Mitchell is that he's an outside corner. Vic Fangio said that as they were making the switch to him playing inside during training camp, I think the bigger thing would be how fast are you able to get Cooper de Gene up to speed

and how quickly are you going to be able to insert him to the lineup? Are you chalking Savante Manick's performance up to the playing surface? I don't know how the coaches think about that, obviously, but I think it's more likely that we would see Cooper de Jean elevated as opposed to Quignan shifted inside. I think that makes sense. And we won't get into the Falcons just yet. We'll get deeper into them on Thursday when you're back, Fran. But they played, I think, the second most percentage of 12.

personnel snaps in the league in week one. You know, so you're not going to be in nickel quite as much. They were just under 50%. So I think you can probably allow for one more game, at least, of trying Avanti on the inside, seeing if the footing makes a difference, seeing if they're actually really going out of their way to target him and letting, letting, you know, whether that's Isaiah Rogers rest for another week or Cooper DeGene ramp up for another week. I think that that probably makes sense to me.

Yeah, I would have envisioned. that that's the way they kind of about it. You mentioned the struggles Atlanta had offensively. It's not like you're welcoming in this 11 personnel monster, you know, from a past game standpoint, the link now and day. So I think they can kind of take their chances in terms of just letting this play out for one more week and just seeing what they have with Quignon on the outside. Personally, I would just keep them there, but they might have a better feel for it.

Plus, Avanti has Kirk Cousin's number. The linebackers, we don't need to. to spend too much time because you did write extensively about these guys on all p hl y not common we've talked plenty about zach bonn and nicoby dean but you you were actually um based off of the perceptions from watching live on the tape nicoby dean was was a little bit more rising in in your minds after what you saw right yeah i mean i thought bond was really good uh i thought that he he certainly looked he had a good game and he wasn't bad but i think that that nicobi was a little bit more steady in the run game um i was impressed with both guys playing downhill and how decisive they were. And I think when you look at

the nature of this scheme, they encourage their linebackers to play downhill and shoot gaps and get and make those plays in the backfield. And that's what both guys showed the ability to do. I do think that, again, Ncobie was probably a little bit more decisive on that. There were a couple times where offensive line were able to get up on top of bond. And he, he'd seen it a little bit faster. He may have been able to defeat the block. But he made more plays than he did, if that makes sense. So both guys were able to make plays in the past. And asked a couple times about the drop pick six for Nicobo Dean, which, by the way, that was a good example of a play where the Packers were trying to target on Mitch.

He covered it up and deterred the throw and forced a checkdown. But that's like exactly what Nicoby Dean did in college, right? He was all over those. And sometimes he made those plays and he had to pick six. I think he was against Kentucky and he's going the other way or against Missouri and he's going the other way. So to me, like that is more of a net positive when I see that play, that drop pick six. Of course, he'd love him to make the play. But the fact that he was there and he's playing as loose and as free as he has, we haven't seen that guy in the first two years in the Kobe Dean's career.

So I would take that as a positive sign. And then how about CJ Garner Johnson in the back end? Because he's the high profile signing among the safeties. He's here to upgrade that secondary. What did you see from CJ? I thought we saw some good flashes of playing downhill early. The Packers, we expected that they'd come in offensively and try and establish the run game and try and get that going to really set their play action in terms of just keeping the defense off balance. And that was one of the things we talked about late last week was they have to the Eagles have to stop the run.

I thought the Gardner Johnson showed up early in the game. But then there were some plays later where like the angles weren't ideal or he was just a little bit too overzealous, you know, with playing with overplaying to one side. to me like that 70-yard touchdown for jaden reid to me yeah to me that was on cj gardner johnson now um it's when you have those three-by-one sets they can muddy the responsibilities of a lot of players and so uh you can get the confusion of oh i thought you were going to be there you weren't i weren't you there but basically it started as a two-by-two sets you've got two receivers on each side they've motioned jaden reed from the right side to the left and so jrgarner johnson he's on that offensive of right side. He's following the three-receiver set. And to me, he played too far over the top.

He was a single high safety. The Eagles were playing a single high coverage there, and he cheated too far to that three-receiver side. Jaden Reed's coming from the opposite side run right across the field and back over the other way. And no one runs with them. And the safety's not there in C.J. Gardner-Johnson. He's not there to pick him up. Now, I would say if they were playing a version of cover three, Darius Slay was the quarter to that side. His eyes were. on two receivers in front of him. So I think, you know, you could kind of see the both guys kind of to each other. In my mind, I think that's more on CJ. And he ended up taking a bad angle and missed the tackle. So it's really, it's twofold. It's why was he so wide open? And then CJ definitely

missed the tackle and took a bad angle to the entry point. So the first part, I think is up for debate. And those guys obviously know that better than I do in terms of responsible. I would lean more towards it being CJ. But ultimately, CJ was the one that was the last line of defense, took a bad angle and miss the tackle. And then later in the game, he had a couple other missed tackles as well. I think PFF created or credited him with four missed tackles on the day. And I would say that probably matches up with what I saw. I wasn't charting it. But he definitely a couple misses in the football game. Can we, can we spend a second on that Tristan McCollum snap? The Sendejo snap. Yeah. The Sendejo snap. Yeah. That was wild. Yeah, I mean, he can't, he can't, he came flying out.

You saw the explosiveness that gets excited. A little reckless. Yeah, just took a guy out and missed the, yeah. Yeah, there were just a couple of those explosive plays on the ground. We saw the end around to Jaden Reed that went for a touchdown as well, where either guys came in too far or too fast, too hard, where they couldn't break down or they were just out of control or when they got on blocks, the guys just couldn't get off blocks. And, you know, when you talk to former linebackers for safeties,

you know, I know, I know, our friend, I agree, so Jim Johnson, and used to always preach over and over. You have to win your one-on-ones. You can't let them block you one-on-one. In the moment, as a defender, if you were blocked one-on-one, even if you feel like you knocked the guy to the ground, you lose. That's a win for the offense.

And too often, the Eagles got blocked a hat for a hat on some of those plays. So just very big picture, very general, based on what you thought of the offense a week ago, before they played this game, based on what you thought about the defense a week ago before they played this game, you feel better or worse about both sides of the ball now that you've seen the tape? I feel really good about the offense.

I think structurally, there's a lot to be excited about. I think when you look at Jalen Hertz and his performance, yeah, the interceptions were bad, but I think it stands to reason that's probably more the outlier than what we would expect from him to me a lot to be excited about with the offense. I think defensively, it's, you know, the big question is going to be, what is that front going to look like? week to the Falcons because the Falcons have, I wouldn't say like a top five offensive line, but they've got a pretty good offensive line, certainly an above average

unit at worst. So I think when you look at their performance against that line, how are they able to perform? Are we seeing more of a rush to get after Kirk Cousins where the way that they played offensively, the Falcons, it seems pretty clear that Kirk Cousins is not like the most mobile quarterback. He's not anyway, but like right now the way they're playing, they're trying to keep him in a very confined space. So you know what are going to be like, can those guys get after them. I think that will be a big test. And if they if they can't on Monday, I think that's when we start wondering about these guys. I have a process question if I can sneak this in because this is our first this is our first film Tuesday with you and we'll be doing

this throughout the year. I've heard from I've heard different, I don't know if I call it strategies, but ways that people consume film. Some people watch all third downs, all red zone, right? Some people watch offense and defense. How do you consume, Phil? What's your process? I go all offense, all offense, or depending on the week, all defense and all offense. I do one full side of the ball, try and do that all in one day. And then whether it's later day or the next day, I'll go back and watch certain cuts. So it might be all the third downs or all the rushing attempts, you know, something along those lines just to kind of get a be on, you know, certain aspects of it.

But usually I kind of just watch one side of the ball straight through. Then I'll watch the other side of the ball straight through, take all the notes and get rolling. Zach, what are your what are your keys to victory? Give me a preview for the debate tonight. A preview for the debate. I mean, I just, I don't know how to answer that question. As someone who is a political science major in American History Minor, I, I love, I enjoy watching history. And presidential debates are a matter of history.

I wrote a long paper, my sophomore year of college on presidential debates in like certain moments in presidential debates. Yeah, yeah, I had probably had like 5,000 words in there on the Nixon Kennedy debate. And so, yeah, so I will refrain from any type of political opinion here because that's not my people So soccer players by sneakers, too. Precisely. I want as massive an audience as we can have here. But I'm looking forward to watching.

I'm thrilled that it's happening in Philadelphia because there's no better city to have a presidential debate. My favorite debater, my favorite presidential debate, of course, though, I will say that. And that was President Bartlett against Governor Ritchie, that great debate. when uh oh yes that great debate that big matter of history when when when miss is when when first lady bartlett cut his tie um right before he went on he said game on took josh's tie and went on to have one of the great debates uh of that could ever be documented so i will say there are probably

more truths in that debate than on one side of the debate tonight or that would be my uh oh how about that Zach's going to come after you friend What does that mean? For expressing an opinion. People can express any opinions they want. I am not expressing political opinions. Yes. I see I actually think opinion is a,

I think different opinions is a wonderful thing. I think diversity of thought is so important. And I think learning from other people's perspectives and viewpoints is essential. I think I actually want to hear from more people. Sure. If someone has the opinion that Haitian immigrants are eating pet cats, that's a valid opinion even though it's... Well, something that's factually incorrect is not... I mean, there's difference between opinions and facts.

Like, you can't tell me a fact and say it's accurate, but there's issues where reasonable people can have different opinions. There are, but there aren't many this time around. Again, I'm not getting into that here. My point is to answer the question, I'm looking forward to watching the debate tonight. All right. Will you be watching? I would rather not for my own mental health, but I suppose that I will probably succumb. Okay.

I look forward to hearing your thoughts on it. I probably will not. Just for the same reason. Okay. I'd like that on Tuesday night, though, because there's no football. that it's interfering with. Yeah, but the election is on trade deadline day this year. Yeah, but the trade deadlines earlier in the day,

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