PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | From Super Bowl radio row: What are the Philadelphia Eagles’ offseason plans?

Episode Date: February 5, 2024

Live from radio row at the Super Bowl in Las Vegas, it’s time to think through what the Eagles’ top priorities will be roster-wise in the offseason ahead. Does James Bradberry need upgrading? Nicholas Morrow sure does. What about weapons on offense?Join Bo Wulf and live vicariously through Zach Berman enjoying his favorite place on Earth. E.J. Smith from The Inquirer joins the show to discuss the plan for fixing the secondary and his passion for guitars. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Super Bowl rate to the P.HLY Eagles podcast presented by Factor Meal Kits. Head to Factor Meals.com slash Eagles 50 and use code Eagles 50 to get 50% off. Bow Wolf and Zach Berman here. Welcome to Vegas, Zach, your favorite place in the world. It's one of them. Love being here. Feel the energy. I feel the excitement.

Excited for a week of shows. Super Bowl and Vegas together. This is like a Zach Berman fever dream. among, yeah, among those two things. And being one of the first shows live today. I mean, on early morning, Las Vegas Super Bowl, I can't imagine anything else that, I mean, unless Topanga goes walking by behind us,

then all of a sudden. No, this is great. This is great. I can say that I'm a fan of West Coast time, right? Up at 4.30 this morning, it felt natural, right? 7.30 back home. And as you're at a Super Bowl, and it's still Monday, but you start to feel the end.

energy build up, build up, right? By Wednesday here, it's going to be buzzing. Exactly. And as we go along this week, shows Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday at noon. We'll start a little bit late today, but that's okay. Yeah, I got to get the setup going. Nixiriani time, as long as I like to call it. Yeah, that's exactly right.

There was a snowstorm a couple of months ago. That's why we're 20 minutes late today. We've got lots of guests lined up. We're going to hear from E.J. Smith in a little bit to talk about what are the top priorities for this Eagle season. But as the week goes on, we'll try to sort of pull people in. Tonight is Media Night, Zach.

You're going to get a chance to talk to. You're going to try to talk to Andy Reid? Who are your top priorities for Media Night tonight? Well, there's so many people I'm looking forward to speaking to. But on the Kansas City side, certainly Andy Reid. If you think about it, so it's 2024, as we all know, breaking news, right? And 1999 was when Andy Reid was hired. So 25 years, a good number there.

Good time to reflect on the past. sort of half a quarter decade of eagle's history if you were in or quarter century or something like that yeah yeah quarter century quarter century that's what I meant quarter decade he was actually in the championship games within a quarter decade but certainly not winning super bowls like this but yeah looking forward to speaking the hand looking forward to catching up with jvonne hardgrave either tonight or this week there's a few up yeah i mean prince take a winogo matt prior kett flageal phage we talked to flage last year yes so a lot of people i'm looking forward to catching up with some people in the chiefs organization who you know I've gotten to know over the

years and then the Niners don't know the Niners as well but looking forward to to that so that will be tonight and then we'll keep having some more guests as the week goes on and start speaking to players on different teams we'll have bow on the street which is one of my favorite features is not a feature that has ever existed before so an odd thing for you to say I just mean like You put Bo in the wild to do interviews. Bo knows. Eagles esoterica, the wolf stand, however you want to frame it. You have Bo asking interesting questions, interesting people.

Let's not build it up too much. Hey, I can't wait. Okay, maybe you can do it. I can't do it as well as you can. Okay. We'll get into a little bit more of the Vegas of it all, the interesting things that happened on our flight with E.J., who was on our flight. But let's quickly get into some of the little E.J.,

Eagles news that has trickled out since we last spoke on Friday. Do you want to do a Stone Cold Newsman? Give us the updated info on the Eagles coaching staff. According to ESPN, the Eagles are adding Doug Nussmeyer as their quarterbacks coach. Now, Doug Musmire, as we discussed on the emergency show, a week ago last Sunday. Thank you. I can hear you better now. At the beginning of the show, there's so many shows going on here, so I didn't know

it was talking about you. We're talking to hockey. Anyways, Doug Nussmeier, who has a background with Kellan Moore, worked with him in Dallas, worked with him with the Chargers, but has offensive coordinator experience, too. He called plays with Florida, with Washington. That's the Washington Huskies. Steve Belichick is with the Washington Huskies now, not the Washington commanders. He was with the... Good cutoff for a reference to nobody else knows anything about.

Which is right up your alley, right? Sort of. The University of Michigan. Usually it's an in-joke with the sickos. The University of Michigan, Alabama. So certainly a credentialed quarterback's coach. He has a lot of experience here. He'll be working closely.

The Dream Team staff continues. He'll be working closely with Joan Hertz and then obviously with Kellyn Moore. Elsewhere, it was reported by Bruce Feldman of the Athletic that D.K. McDonald is going to the University of Kansas. So we expected there to be changes across the defensive coaching staff. and McDonald, we didn't expect to be back in the same capacity. We thought the Eagles would add a defensive backs coach. That's a position that we figured Vic Fangio would bring in his own coach.

D.K. McDonald, though, has a long history with Nick Siriani. They worked together at the Indiana University of Pennsylvania. They were actually roommates together there, and they were in each other's weddings. And McDonald started as like an assistant D. Bax coach, worked his way up with the Eagles, was part of the original staff and was the deep backs coach last year. So that's a notable change for the Eagles, and we'll see who they add.

Do you make of that that this is like a continued clipping of Siriani's wings, or was this sort of, I mean, it felt like the writing was on the wall there anyway. Yeah, I really thought that coaching staff and personnel-wise, that defensive staff or that defense was going to be overturned. So you can't obviously get rid of all these players, but I figured they would have a new secondaries coach. I didn't know if it will be a reassignment of D.K. McDonald's sometime you see that. But look, he gets to go to Kansas.

We had a really good defense last year. But we still don't know the identity of the new secondary coach. No, we don't. And, you know, that will probably sort it out in the next few days, especially now that all the NFL staffs are filled. And I imagine these position coaches, those. the musical chairs, if you will, will start to settle. I feel like if this staff continues a pace and they hire a secondaries coach

who has been a defensive coordinator before or something like that, it really does create an odd dynamic where like aside from the holdovers, Nick Siriani is going to be the only person who hasn't been in a bigger job somewhere else. You know, like everybody else is downgraded a level from the biggest job they've had. Which is the opposite of how last year staff was, frankly.

You know, last year staff was a lot of elevation There's a lot of promotions. So that doesn't surprise me, and it's probably a good thing you get an experienced staff. The thing with that is... Well, a wise man avoids all extremes. Wise, I don't know if that's an extreme per se. But certainly, the way you look at that is big personalities, you know, a lot of experience. If you're a defensive coordinator and you're going to be a defensive lines coach

or a defensive coordinator and you're going to be a defensive backs coach or a defensive coordinator, you're going to be a linebacker's coach, then you bring a certain amount of garage. to the room that I don't know if the Eagles had last year when they were either promoting or hiring from the college level. So I think that is a notable difference. And considering the way the defense played last year and some of the things that we're hearing from that unit, it's probably a welcome change. I agree.

I just, I do think that it isn't a recipe for ego clashing. Like if every single person is like, well, you know, I could do that job better in their mind. I don't know how, I don't know how, like, combustible. that might be. Such a cynical way to view of the world that everyone has an ego that they're bringing that thinks they can do it better. What about being part of a team?

How about leaning into the fact that you've covered this league for a decade and you know how this works? That is true. Yeah, it certainly depends on the person, depends on the role, but also, people want jobs. And if you're a defense coordinator who is getting replaced somewhere else,

then typically that is you're not going to get another de-coordinated job, so you have to go down a level. And so it makes sense. Now, I would be more worried about it from the Eagle clashing perspective, if you will, if the Eagles had a first-time defensive coordinator, right? Like if they were promoting a linebacker's coach, the de-coordinator, and then they brought in all these former de-coordinators be position coaches,

then that's where you say similar to probably Matt Patricia and Sean DeSy this past year, right, like someone's looking over your shoulder. But Vic Fangio, he comes in, he has that gravitas as it is. I don't think he's necessarily has to be worried about someone trying to take his role. I think you're right about the defense, but I said this before. It does sort of set up to me

like a defense versus offense type deal where we've seen that before. That's a famous trope in Eagles history. It's something that's on my radar. Sure. And it's going to be incumbent upon Nick Seriani to make sure that does not occur.

To coach the coaches, if you will. The last thing that happened is this weekend, I don't know if you caught any of the Pro Bowl yesterday. Did you catch that? I did not. Okay, so Jayland Hertz ran a little Philly Special type play on the six-year anniversary of the Philly Special. Where could we read about that? Underdogs, Philadelphia goes, Emotional Road, Super Bowl victory, which you can find anywhere books are sold. And shout out to listener, reader in Germany, who got the book. V-told. I love that. I, yeah, I hope the shipping costs were okay. Actually, don't think that was V-told. I think it was a different, German.

German listener. Also, it is... We have so many German listeners. It was pretty humbling to see, by the way. I was on eBay. Johannes? I was on eBay, and I saw a copy of that book, a signed copy of the book. It was on sale for like 970-something-something.

But the funny part about it is you see who I personalized the copy to me. Oh, no. So it's like... Oh, who was it? I can actually pull it up and tell you. Oh, no. Yeah, let me pull that up. Oh, that's depressing.

That was funny to see. But yeah, so Jalen Hertz did not catch. He looked more like Tom Brady than Nick Folls out there. Oh, I missed this. Yeah. And Malcolm Jenkins ran on the field and slapped him on the butt and said, come on Jalen. No, it wasn't a great pass from CD Lamb. But that was an Eagles-related note in the Pro Bowl.

Jason Kelsey, as you would imagine, was like the man about town there, right? Camera loved him. RG3, you know, I loved talking about him during the... I was watching the Pro Bowl. with my son. He was loving it. And it wasn't a great event for, like, you know, Landon Dickerson or, you know, the flight football doesn't really fit to it. Yeah.

But it was cool to see. It was cool to watch. As you go on eBay, I do think the sickos are going to want to know what was the resolution to the Stanley auction that was supposed to close on Sunday. It did. It's old. Right at 60 or did anybody coming over the top? 61.

61. Wow. Look here. D.D. D.D. Hope this book brings back good memories. Thank you for reading. Enjoy then my signature.

So, D.D. Now, do you think that that was for D.D.? Or a gift for D.D. from someone else? Good question. You don't remember D.D. I don't remember. I don't remember. I mean, this is my typical signature for it.

I hope this brings back on memories. I've got to tell you, very good handwriting, because your handwriting when you're taking notes is not legible. That's beautiful. Oh, thank you. Yeah. So, yeah, so this is $9.95, so you can buy it. All caps, that's cool.

Yeah, Joan Rose writes in all caps as well. Is that why you do it? It's not why it, though, but makes me feel good about doing it. Okay. Last thing before we get to ad breaks and bring on E.J. Smith, commanders made their higher-risk coordinators. What did you make of those? Cliff Kingsbury and Joe Whit Jr., by the way, a friend of Jonathan Gannons.

They work together with the Falcons, I believe. I just want to mention that. Do you just, like, you fire off a text at J.G. Every time a person gets tired, are you friends with him or her? No, not necessarily, but, you know, I know the names that Jonathan Gannon's mentioned over the years. Okay. You have a database of Gannon references, if you will. Okay.

So what do I make of it? Cliff Kingsbury, he's a polarizing figure in the football world. I mean, his offenses in Arizona were productive at times, unimaginative. at times. The connecting the dots that you see is that he worked at USC last year with Caleb Williams. Caleb Williams is a DC native. I mean, that would be like a slam dunk for Washington, but they have to get from two to one to do it probably. And I imagine that's a significant trade to get up from two to one.

So it certainly adds a wrinkle to the draft. We have a super chat, by the way. Oh, do we? Yes, super chat. How about I read this this time? Okay. Once I get this off of my screen. Would you say Jason Kelsey being on the winning NFC snap team during Pro Bowl weekend counts as an eagle wins something for the purposes of swooper?

I don't know. Did we have that as a swooper? We didn't. I don't think we did. We didn't do a swooper for the football. I think we will do a swooper on Friday for the Super Bowl, though. I love that. We need a third person, though.

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They have us here in Vegas. The P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast in Vegas brought to you by Factor Meal Kitts, E.J. Smith, the man, the myth, the legend. We hung out in Mobile a couple days ago. Now we're here in Vegas. We're just world traveling together. And not only that, you had the pleasure of being on the same flight as us out here. The H.O.I Charter, right? That's right. That was a good line. How are you? I'm doing great. You know, I want to say first time, long time. You know, I have you guys on my television a lot. My wife and my dogs, you know, they're very familiar with your voices and

the cadence of the show. So, no, I appreciate you guys having me. Is your dog offended by how much Bo teases me? I don't think so. I think that my dogs are probably a little bit team Bo here. You know, it's good for the show. It's comedy. Okay. It's all love. Love in Vegas, right? I mean, I guess. I don't know. This is not a tease. Okay. But you, you were there. I think we both witnessed what felt like sort of an existential borderline breakdown from Zach on the plane when the Wi-Fi was not working. Now, like, the entertainment was working. This is like an 8 o'clock flight, five-hour flight to Vegas. So, you know, you could try to sleep, but tough decision. Obviously, Zach's going to want to be working. And I saw the drink

card coming through, and I know I could see, because you were one row ahead of me and one row behind DJ and I could see you like you're you don't want to bother anybody I know that you don't want to impose but you also you're got you got some work that you want to get done you're like uh is is there any chance I going to fix the Wi-Fi? I didn't say it like that I said excuse me will the Wi-Fi be operational on this flight and she explained to me that the Wi-Fi is not available but all the entertainment is but the entertainment doesn't write stories for me right so yeah I I'd like to on flights. I find it inefficient if I'm not. And so I did watch a good Barry Sanders documentary. I like that. I like that doc. I had some books I wanted to get to, but I said, you know what,

I can catch some sleep. And so I put on the office, fell asleep for a bit. But no, I did miss that Wi-Fi. And I know E.J. did too, because E.J. had a good story in the inquire today. Yeah, I felt a little bad. I mentioned that on our way to the hotel. Like, oh, yeah, I got something coming up at 5 a.m. I just saw Zach's face drop. Like, oh, I got beat to the punch on that one. If you were in Houston with Jay-Hurts, I mean, my face would drop all the way to the ground, right? Which you've done very well in the past, too. So it's cool having E.J. on, although you said first time in a long time, it's your first time on set with us. Yeah.

But you were, you did have a great spot last week from Mobile with Bo. Yes. And Olivia. And Olivia. You got those pretzels. Yeah. Olivia talking about the pretzels. So that was like your...

These pretzels are making me thirsty. That was like your orientation. That was your slow tease into the... the sicko community here at PHLY. So anyways, it's awesome to have you here. It's great to be here. And we have a lot to pick your brain about. I do.

I have one other thing to get to, speaking of Mobile before we get to the Eagle stuff. Yeah. I do want to get on the record this interaction that I witnessed when we were at dinner together. And Ben Solac, great guy, came over to say hi. And he, like, I had to introduce the two of you to each other. He didn't know who you were. You've covered him on that show. I just have not know who you are.

I'm like moonlit Ben. Like, you know, if Ben's not there, I kind of stand in for him. And I think we had met one time, so I'm not going to lie. Like, heard my ego a little bit. I wasn't offended at all now. We met at, like, the Super Bowl last year kind of very quickly. He's a busy guy. He's got a lot of people to meet.

I try not to ever, like, insult someone by being like, hi, my name is E. If, like, they, you know, if I've met them before because then they think I didn't remember the time we met. Sure. But you also want to give them the out. of if they don't remember your name, you want to give them the name. Yeah. Like, I know we've met before.

I'm Bo. Yeah. No, so the solution here is you never say, nice to meet you. Always say nice to see you. Yeah. Yeah, that's the key. That's a good tip right there. Yeah.

Yeah. Just substitute meet for C. Yeah. And then you're in the clear. Because it is offensive when it's like, it's nice to meet you. It's like, actually we met before. Yeah. So, what if it is definitely the first time, would you still,

if you know for sure that, Yeah, okay. Yeah, it's always nice to, you know, nice to see you always works. Hey, Zach, nice to see you, right? How much longer until you have a self-help book for these types of things? I mean, you are, like, such a resource for, like, professional development and, like, handling these types of situations. I would love to.

I think I know your next one. I'd love to read, like, 101 sayings to live your life by, by Zach Berman. I mean, I can get you to a thousand and one, honestly. I mean, I'm trying to, I'm trying to save you the work, but. Never be afraid of work. Yeah, but say, Zach's not afraid of work. Okay. Yeah, just like Jim Harbaugh.

Do you see he wants to live in the RV next to the team facility? How lovely for his wife. I'm envious of that. That's awesome, right? Get right to work. It's more efficient that way. You guys got something wrong with you. But it's nice. All right, AJ.

Let me ask you this question. Open-ended. Now that the coaching staff is mostly settled, what do you think is in Howie Roseman's mind the number one priority heading into the off-season? Well, broad spectrum, I think the defense in general. I think that they've got issues on multiple levels. I think the defensive front is talented enough, but we all know that Howie likes to target those positions, whether it's defensive tackle or edge rusher.

But when you look at it, I honestly feel like the secondary is the thing that they need to rework the most. I think when you look at Vic Fangio's defenses, you know, there's a lot of versatility that's required. There's a lot of, you know, dynamic, dynamic, whatever. Dynamism. Thank you. You've done this before. Yeah. There's a lot, you need these playmakers. You need guys who can kind of money the picture and get to spots. So I do think, I think that the secondary is probably the area that is most pressing in terms of you need a corner, I would imagine, and you need a safety.

At least one safety. So, yeah, I think that that's where I would start. So if I can follow up on the corner thing here, and this is, I imagine, I'm giving you a little sneak peek of a talking point you might hear from the Eagles this offseason. And they're going to say Keely Ringo is our third round pick. They traded a third round pick. They traded their 2024 third round pick to get Kili Ringo, 20 years old when they drafted him. And I imagine what they'll say is if you put Keeley Ringo in this year's draft,

he would go before the third round. Now, he'd be 21 this year. I actually thought, I wasn't impressed during training camp. I said that then. I thought he closed the year well, and he gives them promise. Now, I understand you need more than one young corner. But do you think the discussion of, like, cornerbacks this long-term need?

Do you think it's missing the Keely Ringo factor because they might say Keely Ringo would have had a second round grade if he was in this year's draft? Possibly, but I feel like they need a legitimate playmaker at one of those spots. I think when you look at Vic Fangio's previous stops. So the pick six in the Super Bowl is not in the national championship? Okay. Not quite. Yeah, no. I think if you look at Vic Fangio's previous stops, he's had guys like Jalen Ramsey.

He's had guys like Patrick Sertan. I think that the defense that he runs, listen, I think he's a flexible coach. I don't think that he has to have exactly what he's had at his previous stops, but when you looked at what he's been successful with in the past, it's not been like just guys at those positions. And I think Keely Ringo could be like a competent starter, but I think they maybe should aspire for more than that if they want to run the defense that Fangio has run in the past.

I sort of feel like from a long-term roster building perspective, Keely Ringo is your James Bradbury replacement, and they need to use the draft to find their Darius Lay replacement. Yeah, I think it's a good observation. I think like it wouldn't surprise me. I know that the last few years there have been corners that have been on their, you know, radar. You know, I think they view it as a premium position. They do.

It wouldn't surprise me if their first round pick was a corner this year. I also think, to your point about the secondary, if you say water gun to my belly button right now, what is the position that the Eagle, like, the Eagles biggest spending player in free agency, their biggest outlay is going to be to what position? I think it's safety, and I would put a lot of turkeys on that, I feel like. So I haven't done a ton of, I'm just getting started on the draft stuff, but I know that Zach has to love Cooper DeGine, and I kind of just want to throw him out here. Why?

Because he's like, you know, one of these guys is a playmaker. You know, he feels a little bit, no offense, Zach, he feels a little bit like the esoteric draft nerds, like, you know, type of player. Are you not in on Cooper DeGene? I'm in on, I'm not as crazy about him as I think the draft nerds. close him. I do think Iowa defenders are well coached. Phil Parker's a heck of a defense coordinator.

Well, I just, I like, he intrigues me because this is a guy who could probably play safety. He might be a safety, honestly. But like, get a chess piece and figure out where he fits. You know, you mentioned the Slayer replacement. If Slay's back next year, which I would assume he would be. I think so. Then you can play Cooper to Genet's safety for a year and then see, you know, he's a chess piece. Again, he's not, you know, married to one position.

So I was intrigued by a Cooper to Gene. Again, I'm early in the draft process. I haven't been, you know, pulling up my YouTube, like, you know, all snaps versus one defense or one offense yet. But, yeah, no, I thought he was an intriguing name. I just sort of feel like as they plot it out, you've got, like, they feel good about Sidney Brown long term. You can't count on him necessarily making a big impact this year. We'll see how his rehab goes. Yeah.

You've got Reblankenship as another good young player has had some injury concerns, but you can sort of pencil him in. They need a guy who is like, you know, Kevin Byard from three years ago. It's a pretty good safety. It's a pretty good safety class of free agents. It's a much more guesswork from rookies at that position. I don't think they're going to use a premium pick on a safety and think that this guy is going to come in and be ready right away to be like the guy who Vic Fangio relies on, whereas I think they would do that with a veteran.

Yeah, and I mean, you're right. It's a good class. Xavier McKinney, Cam Carls in that class. Antoine Winfield's in the class, but is he going to make it out of Tampa Bay? I kind of doubt it. So there are a lot of options for sure. And there's some also potential salary cap casualties. Quadra digs could come free from Seattle, a couple other guys.

So that's sort of how I feel about that going. How about you, Zach? Yeah, if I had to use the turkeys on a free agent signing, I would think safety. To your point, I think that's a spot where Howie has kind of trusted free agency more than the draft. Sure. He's talked in the past about the challenge of evaluating safeties coming out. and some of it's based on scheme, some of it's, you know, it's with the college offenses now, that might be a dated way of thinking because college offenses and NFL offenses are somewhat comparable.

But it has been a challenging position for them to evaluate. And like you said, I think it's a deep free agent safety class. And I don't think it's a particularly good safety draft class unless you're moving a corner over to safety like a Cooper de Gene. I also think, and I've been saying this, I like some of these linebackers in this draft class. So I don't think that's a position where I would rush to sign someone, because I think you can find in the second or third round, someone who can be in every down linebacker for you, whether it is Junior Colson, whether it is a Cooper from Texas A&M. I know everyone in Philly watched Jeremiah Trotter Jr. right? But I think there's some decent linebackers in this class, and I would rather sign a safety and draft a linebacker than sign a linebacker and draft a safety. Well, it doesn't have to be either or.

It doesn't have to be either or. And I actually sort of disagree about linebacker. I think we have seen that play out enough of we don't need to sign a linebacker in free agency. We'll see how the draft plays out and then we'll address it afterwards. I do not think that they can just say, well, we've got Nicobie Dean. We don't need another linebacker right now. I think they need to sign somebody of the, like, just a little bit above the Kaiser White level, like a three or four million dollar guy. Now, it is not a great class of free agent linebackers, it looks like, so that might be easier said than done.

But also, I don't think they shouldn't spend a second round pick on a linebacker. I think their draft valuation of the position makes sense to me. I think they should use one or two fifth round picks on the position. But I do not think that they can just be like, well, Nacobi, we love the player, we love the person, we're ready to go there. I think that that's a place where they probably do need for Vick's defense, somebody of a higher floor. As much as Howie has talked about, like, you know, the safety position is being hard to evaluate. If you look at his track record drafting linebackers, especially on day two, it's really spotty. I mean, it's Davian Taylor and it's Jacoby Dean in the last few years.

Like, I think he has as much trouble evaluating that position as safety at this point. I hear you. I'm not disagreeing with you. I think linebackers more the valuation than the evaluation because they just don't want to spend those resources on linebackers. And they think that's a position where you could draft and develop where you can find bargain players. And when it works, you get T.J. Edwards and you get Kaiser White. When it doesn't work, you get Zach Brown. Yeah.

To your point, they've used two third round picks on the position. Right, yeah, they have used some resources on it. We don't know if Dean hasn't worked out yet. Sure, yeah, no, you're right. could come back next year healthy and play really well. But at the very least, like the Davion Taylor pick, that is the starting linebacker that this defense is missing in some ways. Exactly.

They have used resources on it. They just haven't been able to really. I guess what I would concede is that it's been both. It's been the evaluation and the valuation. I'm still standing by Jeremy Chin being an eagle next year. Whether it's a safety, whether it's a weak side linebacker type thing, I think Jeremy Chin's going to be an eagle next year. Okay.

Now, just to follow up on the earlier Super Chat, It is in reference to another super chat here. The swooper question was for a super game among friends. They wanted to get the ruling from Bo. And this is the problem with Swoper. If you don't clarify it, you have to do these things in advance. And so, I mean, it feels a little bit cheap to say that an eagle wins something. Is Jason Kelsey being on the winning NFC team count for that?

It feels like that's probably not the spirit of the proposition, but also you can't necessarily argue with that by the letter of the law. If you think about the Bow Wolf legacy in life, where does people playing Swooper independently fall on that list? Because that is impressive that all of a sudden you've created this game that a faction of Eagles fans are playing among friends? Probably at the top. That's a big deal.

And it's a credit to you. That is your game. It took me like two years to understand what the game was. So credit to these, to these, listeners and viewers who picked it up pretty quickly. What else is on your radar for the offices in EJ? I love the draft. I know I'm late to it this year, but the draft is always something that I really try to dive into.

Like, you know, I'm kind of like you guys. Like I take it as a real point of pride if I get, you know, a mock draft pick, right? Or, you know, just like identify somebody, especially the later round guys. Now you have to adjudicate that because he made a noise. You heard that noise. I was ready to say. So have you heard this debate? Have we had it off camera?

No one Smith. No, no, no, no, no. Okay. He predicted Nolan Smith to be the 10th overall pick. Does he get credit for that if he goes 30th? No. I predicted that no one Smith would be the Eagles first round pick. No one Smith was the Eagles first round pick.

No, you predicted he would be the Eagles first round pick. The Eagles didn't draft that number 10. So no one, no one got it right unless you predicted a trade. Sequentially, there were two picks. No, God. You predicted he would be the first one. He went 200% later in the draft than you. predicted him to go.

I said Nolan Smith was going to be a first round pick. Nolan Smith was their first round pick. I mean, Bo, if this was you, it is true. So beneath you. Beneath me, I mean, Bo, it's literal. It's fat. It's your worst argument. That Nolan Smith's going to be a first round pick, and Nolan Smith was the first round pick.

I said they liked Nolan Smith in the first round. I said 10 because I thought Jalen Carter was going to be off the board. But I thought they were going to take Nolan Smith. They took Nolan Smith. Did you ever say that they were going to trade back? I feel like I remember you saying they might trade back. I did. Yeah.

A matter of fact, that's what I said. I said this would be an interesting tradeback candidate. I thought it'd be in the mid-team. Yeah, in the team. So, look, I predicted them taking no-and-smouth in the first round. It's so beneath you. You're just upset that you haven't had the same hit rate. This is what?

I'm not upset. Three years in a row that I've nailed the first-trial? You've just done the popular thing. Yeah, that's fine. I had them taking Jordan Davis. I had them taking Devante Smith. Look, I mean. Yeah, those were correct.

Okay. You got those right. This one you did not get right. But they didn't take any of those players at the spot that I said they were going to take them. Oh, you didn't have the Jordan Davis straight-up? It's so different. I didn't have the trade-up because I don't predict trades for my final mock track. I'm going to take a whiff here.

I have the Jordan Davis trade-out. Yeah, I had it. Okay, that's a good. Now you had the exact trade-up? You had them going to Baltimore? Yeah, I said that they had to lead frog Baltimore to get. Okay. Yeah.

Which hasn't really worked out for them so far. Wait, so you're a draft guy, as you said. Now, I'd like this term. late to the draft because I keep hearing that. Does that mean that you're just not watching college football on Saturday? Does that mean you're just grinding the tape now? Like if I asked you two months ago who Cooper DeGine was, would you have known who he was? No, I'm not a college football sicko like you.

I'm sorry to hear that. I mean, I try, but it's tough during the season. You know, you got, I don't know how you do it. Like, you've got kids and, like, you know, actual obligations. Like, I just, like, you know, like to spend time with my family or, like, you know, be out of the house on a Saturday. But I wouldn't have a life, yeah. Yeah, I wouldn't have, like, known as much about.

about Cooper to Gene two months ago. So when I say I'm late, like, I haven't, like, I've watched some of these guys on, you know, TV, but I haven't, like, sat down. And I like to watch, like, full games of guys. You know, it's hard to get the All-22 for me, at least. Maybe you guys are plugged in enough to get it. But for me, like, I at least want to watch guys full games

against, you know, some of the better offenses that they play or the defenses that they play before I can really render a legitimate opinion of my. Like, I wouldn't sit here and tell you what Cooper de Gene is good at or bad at yet because I haven't, you know, dove and. of the film. You don't have to have crushed the film. I respect that. Got to crush that.

Yeah, got to eat some film. Yeah, that's what's next for me after the Super Bowl. So we're at the Super Bowl here, okay? And this is your second Super Bowl. You're here last year. Okay, what's like, what do you get most excited for Super Bowl week? What gets your juices flowing Super Bowl week? Media night is interesting.

You know, it's like, it's definitely, like, productive if you can make it productive. So that was, I mean, again, like, this is my second, this is the, beginning of my second time. So I thought Media Night was really great last year, being able to get some people that you maybe otherwise wouldn't have been able to get. And then really, honestly, Zach, it all becomes a blur until the game. And then the game, like, I'll be honest, like last year, like, it's funny,

like Les Bowen, name drop Les Bowen, a mentor of mine, somebody who I appreciate greatly. Shout out to Les. Yeah, he told me before the week started. You know, make sure you take a second to appreciate, like, that you're there. It's nice. You know, just kind of like... More Bowen, I say. Yeah. Yeah, right. You know, so basically,

yeah, like, just take a step back and appreciate it. And, like, it's funny because I didn't do it. You know, he warned me. It's like, it's going to be a blur, and it was. You know, I think when the team you cover is here, you know, you're just so focused on the work and, you know, the competition waking up every morning and seeing what you guys had written. And, you know, Zach's Darius-Lay-Banada pudding story, really,

that felt like the counterpunch for the hurt story you mentioned earlier. That really, that really dug it me because I wanted to do that story. So especially- I thought I didn't do a Super Bowl last year. Yeah, I was happy about that. Yeah, you've been an excellent Super Bowl. Thank you. Yeah, especially as a lifelong fan of banana pudding, it really hurt that you got that story ahead of me.

I'd still take the hurts of Houston story, but okay. Yeah, so it was a blur last year. So honestly, like, I remember Media Night being like a good opportunity, and I remember the game. Like, that was like the one second I got to be like, okay, like, I'm about to cover the Super Bowl. You know, like college version of myself would have really thought that this was a cool opportunity. So my advice there. I'm not my son's like I'm not I'm happy to take someone who had a great Super Bowl last year Someone who got the Darius Slapeonatina putics.

I'm only that down, won't I? I'm sorry. Yeah, I said decent, not great. There are some things I would have liked better. But no, in general, national anthem. Take the national anthem before a preseason game, before a regular season game, before the Super Bowl. Like, use that time, like, man, this is pretty cool, right?

That's the less bowing, like, make sure you take time to appreciate it. Yeah. The national anthem is a good time to take inventory. of like, this is a pretty cool moment. So then I'll get like the Nick Siriani tears, like the pre-Super Bowl. That's exactly what Nick did. I actually find the National Anthem

at the Super Bowl. I found myself getting a little bit emotional because it's like everybody here this is the most important thing. Like this is, there's so much energy in the building at that point. Yeah, and I can't remember the name of the artist who did the National Anthem last year.

Chris Stapleton. Yeah. He's great for you, Zach. Yeah, a big fan of music over here. Yeah, he was awesome. Did you watch the Grammys last night? I did not. He was great. I appreciate his guitar playing as a fellow guitar player. So, yeah, no, it was definitely a good national anthem.

Give us, like, 60 seconds on your guitar. Oh, sick of them. I am a gear nerd, for sure. I'm kind of a recovering gear nerd, getting out of it a little bit because it is a, as my mom would put it, a rabbit trail. You know, you get stuck down the trail and you can't turn around. I've never heard that before. But, yeah, no, I'm a big fan of, like, old guitars. You know, like, I've got, like, a Martin acoustic that, like, is a... from 1959.

That's like my prize possession. Wow. Yeah, I'm a big Jimmy Hendricks fan, big C.V. Ravon fan. I'm kind of like a blues dad. Like, that's an expression in the guitar world. Like, I don't play like... What's that mean?

It means you play, like, blues music that was popular, like, in the 70s. What's the example? That sounds great to me. Honestly, like, just like a... It's called a 12-bar blues. You've heard it before. But I play a lot of Jimmy Hendricks stuff.

And honestly, like, my... I don't know if it's a guilty, like, you know, appreciation, but I really love John Mayer. I know John Mayer's kind of like a polarizing figure. maybe not the person, John Mayer, but the musician, he's awesome. He's, like, the last of a, like, I know I'm over 60 seconds, but you got me going here. John Mayer is, like, the last, like, guitar hero. Like, every other guitar hero is now, like, Instagram famous but not actually famous.

He's, like, the last one that, like, is a household name that is awesome at guitar. How is Jordan Maelot is strong? Oh, I'm sorry. I jumped on you there. Go ahead. Jordan Maelada's guitar playing? Yeah. He's pretty good.

He needs a bigger guitar. I keep telling him, like, you know, A, like, you need a nicer guitar. But B, like, your guitar, like, looks so tiny in your hands. So, but he's a pretty good player. Wish I had that problem. Yeah, I would say, like, Jordan and I might be, I might say I'm a better guitar player than Jordan. Good for you.

I want to take your offensive line history as well. Give me your starting five offensive linemen of guitar players. Oh. Of guitar players? Yes. Just like based on, like, their style. It's left tackle most important? The center is going to be the most cerebral, right?

Yeah, let's do this. The left tackle is the most physically talented. I'm taking Jordan Milana because he's technically a musician, so I'm putting him at left tackle. Okay. I'm going to put B.B. King at center. Cerebral. Oh, love that. Yeah. Cerebral. He's a big guy, so he's not going to get pushed around.

And he can take whatever's coming and go in that direction? Yeah, great innovator. From there, I feel like, can I put at a tight end? Can I put Jimmy Hendrix at tight end just because, like, he's a talented guy. He'll figure it out. And he's like Kelsey. He'll just sort of riff and do whatever he wants in the round. Yeah, he's a creative type. I don't think that the Venn diagram of, like, guitar players who are also big enough to play offensive lines.

Well, sure, but we're talking skill sets. There's a guy named Kingfish who's definitely big enough to play offensive line. He's pretty good. He might be one of my guards. Okay. And then from there, I honestly, I couldn't tell you. Put me in there. I can play right tackle.

Yeah, I could do that. Maybe not at the NFL level, but none of these guys are going to be that good. I like that. Yeah, so that's four out of five for you at least. All right, that's solid. Well, E.J. Smith, thank you so much. Where can our sickos follow you and read you? E.J. Smith, 94, on Twitter.

Was that your high school number? 94? No, that's my birth year. Yeah. Too young. Yeah. And then Inquirer.com slash E.J. Smith. I probably shouldn't say this on air, but they gave me, like, the author page. Like, that's literally just my name. And then they told me that they weren't allowed to do that. So they told me to keep it under wraps. But I feel like every chance I get I tell people that story. So, yeah, Inquirer.com slash E.J. Smith. You can find my work there. E. E.J. is awesome on the Eagles Beat. Make sure you check out everything he writes. Everybody knows that. I appreciate you guys. I really do. Thank you very much, E. E. Good stuff. And before we get.

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E.J. was an awesome guest. Fantastic. He's a pro. The chat loves him. We got to get him on the show more. And E.J. I've known E.J. since he started at the Inquirer, and it's just a great writer, great reporter, great person. So pumped to have E.J. on. What's going on? You see Radio Row starting to fill up a little bit more.

The energy is building. You can see behind me here that these tables are starting to fill. Credit to Allstate. That's our parent company. We have seven shows going while we're here. I see the CHGO show is right next to us. Before that, they had what chaos, our hockey show. I see DNVR over there.

We got the PHX show. So we got. PHNX. Yeah, I'm sorry, Ph.NX. They talk Jonathan Gaddon, so I definitely watch. Yeah, of course. And then we got All-City. And they got a bow.

And they got a bow. Yeah, battle with Boas. Who spells it correctly? The All-City NFL shows here. And I got to say, like, the race from the checkout or the credential check-in to going through this maze of getting to Radio Row and setting all of this stuff up. What a performance by the whole crew. Exactly. So, yeah, it was like a pit change in NASCAR.

Yeah. So, yeah, really impressive. And as I said, we'll be here throughout the week. But we got a lot of shows on the network. And the energy is buzzing. We got media night tonight. There's availability with the players throughout the week that we'll try to sprinkle some stuff in. But our main objective is to get you quality guests here on the Radio Row Media Center aspect.

They don't call Radio Row anymore. They call it the Media Center now. For reasons like this, we're more than radio. We're multimedia. Sure, but I mean, there's only so much you can do to change a name that everybody already knows. It's like you don't have to refer to the stadium by the name that they've sold the rights for. Like, they're not paying you. You can do whatever you want.

What's your first Radio Row experience? I don't know if this is what you're going for, but like my first understanding of Radio Row was the week of shows of Mike and the Mad Dog back in the day. Okay, yeah. Like that's, you know, I was in New York, and it was like such a different feel. Sure. Who's going to pop on with Mike and the Mad Dog? And they had like these Super Bowl trivia questions that Mad Dog was such a sicko for. It was good stuff.

Good. Okay. Now, how about, from your personal experience? From my personal experience? I don't know. I didn't spend much time on Radio Row in 2017. Okay. And so really it was last year.

Just last year. Yeah. How about you? My first year, or my first Super Bowl I covered. Because you covered some Super Bowls that were non-Eagles. Yeah, I covered the New York, New Jersey one. And I remember, I think, was Bruno Mars the he sang then, I think. Anyways, I was waiting for an elevator with him.

This is two music references to you. This is fantastic. I was leaving Radio Row. I think it's Bruno Mars. I apologize if it's not Bruno Mars, but I think it's Bruno Mars. Sorry, Bruno, just in case. Yeah, in case you're watching. And I remember we're at the Sheridan, New Midtown Manhattan.

that's where Radio Row was and I was walking out to go down in the lobby and I was waiting for the elevator and with I think like Bruton Mars and all its people but leaving Radio Row there but it used to be... I've heard that he's short, is that what you're about to say? I was going to say a different word but he's more Bruno Pluto

than Bruno Jupiter. He's normal size to me, Beau. Okay. Okay. Yeah, find a new slant. No, so, but I would say whether it was the Arizona one or the New York one, that's probably the Arizona one, Nick Foals coming through, Chip Kelly did a Tostito's promotion outside of Radio Row in the Phoenix Super Bowl. That's the 2014 season. That was the Seahawks Patriots.

And I remember I'm waiting to talk to Chip. I'm trying to talk to Chip, right? and did not... Because Chip was the connection there, that's right? That's why they used him. Yes. And didn't you get him at the Fiesta Bowl before he was hired by the Eagles? I did.

I went to the Fiesta Bowl there. He said, is there a lot of interest in the Tostito's Fiesta Bowl at Passinginos? And I said, this week there is. Actually, I think that passage can be that quote. It can be found in a book that's coming out this fall. Wow. Little T's there. The history of Pats and Genos by Zach Berman.

So, no, those are some, no, no, no, 2017. I remember, you know, I remember that Radio Row in the Mall of America and talking to some different people there and doing some different hits there. Last year was fun when we did our show on Radio Row. And we had some great shows with Jeff McLean, with Jimmy Kemsky, with Shield, with Ben Soa. and we're hoping to get some of those guys this week. So, yeah, I like the spontaneity of it, right? Now, our show is awesome every day, if I may say so. But our show is very structured often, right?

Like we know who the guest is on a typical day. We know what the topic is on a typical day. And we're doing prep work before the show. And not to say we're not preparing for this, but a lot of this is someone's, Nick Foles is walking by. Nick, do you want to join us, right? Please. And that kind of thing.

I saw Rodney McLeod on TV. If Rodney McLeod's here, we'll say, Rodney, come on by. Right? So stuff like that. And then I'm excited to see kind of the bow personality shine through in some of these. You're putting too much pressure on me here. You're so good at those interviews. You have a way about you.

You have a way of making that sound like the opposite of a compliment. It's literally, it is a big compliment. You have a way about you. No, it's why those wolf dens are so good because you have a way about you there. Yeah, but I don't know that that's what we're going to do tonight. We haven't decided about that. We'll see how it goes. I might just want to talk to Matt Pryor for 55 minutes.

We could play that on the show. That'd be interesting. Yeah, what do you want to catch up to Matt Pryor about? How close he was to winning a feely. Remember that? He was one game away, and then they played him in Week 17. You see, that's that's Bo on the street right there. That's funny.

Yeah, I don't like the way that you say Bo on the street Okay All right, we'll come up with a new name for it What's your What's your most vivid memory of the 2017 Super Bowl week before game day?

Oh, I mean, talking to Howie At the Media Night because Howie hadn't done Much like reflection about The year off before then Sure. And so getting a chance to talk to Howie then but I mean if I can be honest with you that year I had a one-on-one with Jeffrey Lurie in the team hotel

and it's pretty good yeah and I remember waiting like in the lobby of the team hotel and you know and Dom you know Dom like clearing me to come through and you know going up there and I really enjoyed the the conversation with Jeffrey I was proud of that story that was A1 in the Inquirer How long did you get them for? About an hour. Wow. Yeah, 45 minutes to an hour. What a pull.

Yeah, I remember actually on the flight to two Minneapolis. I was reading something about the architect from the, about the architect of the stadium. Okay. And I tried doing small talk. I brought up like this random reference about the architect of the stadium. He didn't know what you were talking about? No, he was very nice about it. But then I remember like on the elevator down thinking like,

Why did I use that? Of all the things to bring up. You thought it was a rich person type conversation? No, I didn't think it was that. I just thought it was cool information, right? Like, yeah, like something about the way that's, I was making small talk. If you've been to this stadium, you know,

and you give a little piece of information about how the stadium was designed, I thought it was neat, but I remember thinking like he was being polite. He probably didn't care all about that. But no, that, the week of, Love? That was big. Jeffrey Sitdown. That's a good one. That was big because it was like he did something at a median night.

Did you turn that around in one day? Yeah, turned that around in one day. I didn't sleep that night very much. When did that come out on a Thursday? I spoke to Jeffrey on Thursday, I believe. Ooh, a Friday story. And then, no, I spoke to Jeffrey Wednesday night and the story ran Friday. Okay, so you wrote it Thursday. Wrote it Thursday. Yeah.

So that, that jumped out. Now you close your eyes. And then I had some really good meals. On Friday, or no, Saturday night before the game, I went with Jeff McLean and Bob Ford and Greg Bedard to like this whole and all, the Italian place. That was awesome. So that sticks out, too.

Okay. Now you close your eyes and you think back to last year, what's the most, what's the first, most vivid memory you have of the week of Super Bowl, not including the game Oh Uh-oh No, I mean I was real proud of the stories that

Like you're laughing because you don't want to No, I'm laughing because But to your own horn again No I mean if you really want to be honest Yeah I remember like Like working on a book deal

At the same time Oh sure yeah Like in the if the Eagles won Book deal and you know Trying to kind of hammer down some of those details. Oh, yeah, okay.

And, but I had a, I had five stories. Like, I won the write a big feature every day during that Super Bowl. And I did, you know, and, like, I did a Lori story, and I did a Howie story. And then I had the Lane Johnson story. And I had a few others there mixed in that. Banana pudding? Yeah, banana pudding was the second day. Lane Johnson was the first day.

I wrote Lane Johnson actually on the flight from Phoenix. or from Philly to Phoenix. Took a late-night flight again. I remember right in that. So that's why I need the Wi-Fi to work, right? But then just hanging out with, I would honestly answer, hanging out with you and Shield.

Great, we did a great Italian meal last year. We saw Paul McCartney. Oh, that was a good meal. Yeah. And Denise and Ben Harris. Yeah. So that was cool. I really like the meet up,

seeing different fans of the show, Sunset Shaz, shout out to Sunset Shaz. And then, yeah, just covering that game with you. It was a fun week together. It was good bonding, and I was real proud of our work. Well, we've got some more bonding to come this week, my friend. As we proceed from Radio Row for Super Bowl Week for the P H-L-Y Eagles podcast all week presented and brought to you by Factor Meal Kits.

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