PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | How did Philadelphia Eagles GM Howie Roseman’s offseason moves compare to a projection?

Episode Date: July 8, 2024

In March, Zach Berman outlined how he would approach the Eagles' offseason. But Howie Roseman's decisions are the only ones that matter. How did they compare? A look at what overlapped (much, including C.J. Gardner-Johnson) and where they differed (Saquon Barkley, WR3). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Good afternoon and welcome to a Monday edition of the P.HLY Eagle Show. I'm Zach Berman here with Rich Hoffman. And we were on screen on Friday, but we're back here for a fresh week. The Eagles are, as we'll discuss tomorrow, two weeks away from training camp. So quickly approaching, we're in that quiet period of off-season content. But clearly, we have much to discuss. Rich, how was your weekend? Zach, it was great.

It was pretty hot, I got to say. so I didn't really do a lot I kind of hung inside watched some soccer you're not that big in a soccer are you? U.S. soccer not as much the euros right now.

The U.S. is out so yeah. Yeah, you can't have that right now. The one thing I will say about soccer right now, and this is kind of my American take which is maybe my uncultured take. The penalty kicks when they stop and start on the penalty

kicks, have you seen this? stop and start on the penalty Like they run up Oh yeah Okay yes yes Like the stutter Yeah Not a full stop

But a stutter Enough of that That shouldn't be a rule You gotta run up And kick that thing As hard as you can Or it's soft doesn't matter But I don't like that level of deceit

That's my one thing I like strategy right You're trying to I think they're cheating though Like I think they are actually stopping sometimes You know Which I don't think is fair

But I don't know Enough about penalties of kicks, but all's fair in trying to score that goal. I spent the weekend, or at least a part of it, reviewing my offseason projections. And what I mean by that is each March, what I do before the offseason is I take all the Eagles' resources. I take the Eagles' draft picks.

I take the Eagles' money, figuratively, of course, not literally. And the players who are free agents, the players on the roster. and I say, this is what I would do if I were Hallie Roseman. And this is obviously what I do doesn't matter, or I should say what I would do doesn't matter. It's Howie's actions that matter. But two things, this is a helpful exercise because it allows you to be realistic in your actions, right? You can't just say I would go sign player X, Y, and Z.

There's no money left. I would go, I would draft this player. It does not work that way. You're doing it before you know how money spent, how the draft would fall, right? So, of course, there's an old quote that, you know, that planning is essential and plans are useless because, you know, once you, you know, you can do all the planning, but then you have to react on the fly. And then the other part too is it allows me to hold myself accountable. I can do what we're doing on today's show, which is go back and say, all right, I, I, I'm going. I kind of was on the same wavelength as Howie here.

Howie outsmarted me here, or I shouldn't say, Howie did something here that I should have thought of, or maybe Howie should have thought of this. And I've done this now for about five years. And in the past few years, there's actually been a decent amount of overlap between kind of what I did or in my projections and then what Howley ended up doing,

which probably means that I'm thinking too much like Howley. You're Halley- It is not a good sign. But that's kind of what we're doing today is we're going to hold me accountable. We're going to review those projections. And we're going to see how what I thought compared and contrasted to how he did. Yeah. And that's going to be fun.

We're going to hold you accountable. Everybody in the chat is going to hold you very accountable. I did have one question for you. Because you read and you kind of keep up with everything around the league and the Eagles. I think as much as anybody I know. What is like the off-season reading schedule for you? Do you have like a time during this dead period, this relatively dead period, where you're just like, you know, I got to get to this.

Or do you have a specific routine where you're reading a certain preview or whatever? Or is this kind of when you unplug a little bit? What's the move on? Yeah, that's true. That was a stupid question. I probably should. I should unplug more. I mean, no.

the offsees so I'll say this I have a lot more time for this reason because you know I'm about like 545 each each morning I go to the inquires app I go to the athletics app I go to NBC Sports Philly and I go to all all the people who who cover the Eagles right and but this time of year there's there's there's not as much content so it doesn't it doesn't take as much time so I'm able to read kind of more outside but I I do have a morning routine of of of what I I read through some things I miss, like Callais Campbell being signed, unfortunately. I missed that for the draft that we did last Tuesday here. And then I try to listen and watch as much as I can too. So I listen when I'm in the car, when I'm taking a walk. I watch on YouTube quite a bit. And so, yeah, but this time of year, there's less substantial content to consume. There's a lot of recycled content.

I say that on a day when I'm recycling a story for March. But that's just the honest truth. Do you ever have a bunch of reading just pile up? Or is it like whatever your morning routine is, when the morning's over, that day's over. And you're not going to get to it? Or do you have stuff on kind of backlog? No, I have a lot backlogged right now because actually, I mean, I don't mean to make this about me. But I do, I'm in the final week of teaching a class at college.

Colorado State and the final projects are due. And I empathize with all teachers out there because like it is, it is daunting when you see. I mean, I imagine it's daunting that do the project, but I didn't fully appreciate back when I was in school that I just have to do one, but then the teacher has to read and watch all of them, right? So this is going to take a good chunk of time this week. Yeah. What's the, you're a tough grader? What's the, what's the deal there? I think I'm an easier grader than I was my first year. Okay. I think I read all the reviews, surprise, surprise from, are you going to rate my professor? No, the students submit at the end of the year feedback. Oh, okay. And I read the reviews and I tried to make adjustments. I

trying to make adjustments accordingly. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, this kind of ties into what you're saying. One of the pieces of feedback was that I assigned too much reading. Surprise, surprise there, right? Wait a minute. So the reviews are just too much reading and my grades aren't good enough?

No, no, no. There was other, there was, I have guest interviews for each course. They loved hearing the perspective of others. The students were great. But, yeah, no, there was certain things that I can be a little more lenient. and I think I'm an evolving professor. Well, trial and error. I shouldn't say about professor, evolving visiting faculty member.

There was a viewer who corrected me one day. Rate my visiting faculty. Yeah, right my visiting faculty member. Okay, so the students were holding you accountable. Yes. Let's do. Hold me accountable here. Let's go.

So back in March, I did a 15-step off-season guide, how I would approach the season if I were Howie Roseman. obviously the offseason happened most these moves occurred and now I went back you can read this now on all p hely.com you're a diehard member where I have an excerpt of what I wrote and then kind of looking back at it so so let's do by the way by the way great idea for content you called it recycled but it's hard to come up with content at this time of the year perfect I appreciate that yeah great idea and in in the past when I've done this actually it's it's it's it's it's going over well with readers because you know you always like to kind of go back and and say what would you

have have done. Bow does a great job with his shadow draft. Yeah. And I like that because the one thing I think is kind of, I don't want to say hypocritical, but is incomplete is when reporters say, oh, I would have done this. Well, yeah, you say that after the fact when you know what this guy signed for, right? Like, you know, teams are saying, I would have signed Caleb Martin for four years 32. well yeah if you knew that's what the price was going to be right so it's much it's much better to do it ahead of time and so the first one i said is i said i would find a a resolution with his son reddick um i said if a three year 65 million dollar contract would keep him in philly i try to make it work if the average annual salary he will fetch on the market

is pushing upwards of 25 million i consider what a trade delivers so what happened well clearly he wanted more than three year 65 that was not a realistic number The Eagles traded him to the Jets. They get a 2026 pick. With the Jets right now, Hassan Redick has not signed a new deal. He sat out, mandatory minicam. Clearly, there's a contract in, there's contract negotiations or contract disagreements going on. How do you think Howie Brosman approached the Hassan Reddick situation?

I'm still unsure. So let me ask you, do you feel any better or I guess, Not as a fan. Do you look more favorably on the Eagles decision how they handle the Reddick situation? Now that the Jets, like, I don't know what they're doing right now. Like he clearly is not happy. The idea that's like, oh, no, no, we traded for him. There was like a report that was like, no, there was an understanding that maybe he'll get paid after the season. It's like, no, that's the reason the Eagles treated him to you, you dummies.

But that said, from the Eagle standpoint, like, would you, you know, there is the incentive element to this too. and you want Reddick to play a bunch of snaps, right? Because then you get a second round pick instead of the first round pick. So I don't know where I land on this from the Eagles perspective. I think the Jets have a bad situation on their hands. Like if they just thought, okay, yeah, he'll just be a happy camper and he'll come in and kill it in the same exact situation he would have had in Philly, probably a worse situation because he's not home and he's not, you know, near Camden and all of those things.

But I don't know about the Eagles. What do you think? Yeah, so it's a good point. Well, first off, I look at it and say they're not a better team without Hassan wreck than they were with him. Hassan Reddick's an elite player. Don't take any spin that he's like a one-trick point. Like if the one trick is sacking the quarterback, that's a really important trick. It's a good trick.

Yeah. He's an elite player. That said, when you talk about what the contract ranges is going to be, I think he wants. more than 25 million. I think when you look at what some of the top edge rushers got on the open market, you look at the Brian Burns deal, you look at some of the top pass rushers in the league, then Hassan Reddick's within his rights, if you're, he's obviously within his rights. He's within reason to want that type of deal.

So I get the Eagles moving on from him. I don't think the Eagles are better off, but I think they reallocated that money in a good way, in a productive way, and we'll kind of get into that. that. I thought they would fetch more than what they did. Me too. And so that that's the part of this that surprised me was a 2026 third rounder that can become a second rounder. So I don't know if Howie could have gotten more earlier in the offseason. I don't know like by holding on to him, by doing a post-free agency. I don't know if maybe it would have made sense to hold him until after the draft. I don't mind that 2026 pick so much. But what I, I,

I thought Hassan Reddick was a better player than what he got in the trade market. Yeah, it feels like there is at least a chance. It's a lose-lose if on the other end of this, the Bryce Huff end doesn't work out. Like the Eagles don't, we don't know that they have that premium pass rush. I know Bryce Huff on a per snap basis suggests that he can be that guy, but we haven't seen it yet. And it was funny. I think cousin Grace pointed this out in the chat. Like Hassan Redick during Jets minic was just walking around Japan.

Just love the night. It's good work. Look, I've always said there's this, no, the mandatory minicamp is mandatory, right? But like voluntary workouts, there's this like idea, you know, and we in the media are kind of like, why weren't you there? Well, I mean, it's voluntary. If you don't have to be there. If you're a premium player, you can do what you want, right? You've got to be there if you're pushing for a spot on the team.

But if you're Hassan Redick, operate with your leverage, right? You know, it's like going to a new student orientation when, you know, you're like, yeah, I don't need to do that. You know, he's fine. What do you think about the money, though? Like what, because you mentioned in your piece that if it got near $25 million, then you might have decided to move on. And you look at some of the contracts. You mentioned Burns, but, you know, there's also, DeNeil Hunter did it. What was he?

Two years, like $48, $49 million. It was something like that. Jonathan Greenard signed. I don't know if I'm saying that correctly. He signed, I think it was a four-year, $75 million deal, something like that. What do you think the number would have been that Redick would have been happy with? Do you think I actually don't think it would have been under the $25 million? No, I agree.

I think that you cited in Daniel Hunter. I think that's a good reference point. So he signs two for 49. That's 24 and a half a year, right? I thought, I mean, the reason I put 25 in there is kind of, that's the number I was hearing, right? And so, yeah, I think that's hefty because the Eagles were able to then turn and pay Landon Dickerson. Well, they were going to pay Devante Smith. They were going to do some of these other moves that they did.

And if you're getting a fraction of that production from Bryce Huff, and then so they sign, we'll get to Bryce Huff. They signed Bryce Huff for $17 million a year. Right. So there's an $8 million a dollar delta there, and you can reallocate that. money elsewhere, then I'm fine with that. But I, I'm surprised, or I thought Hassan Redick would want north of 25. And I don't think Eagles were ever going to go north of 25. Yeah. So it's basically one of those situations where I'm still not crazy about the compensation that the youth got back. Because like, let's say he leaves the Jets. There's a chance, right, that it could be a third round

comp. Like, it's not that much of a difference. But considering how unhappy is and considering how much of a plan they didn't seem to have and how unprepared the Jets were for, hey, we're not going to pay you this year, but are you going to react differently to us? I definitely feel worse about it for them than initially. When that trade compensation came out, I was like, Casson Redick is a really good player.

I think that is pretty light for him to get him back in return. Seeing how things have gone, I'm not as crazy about it from the Jets standpoint, but I'm also still a little skeptical from the Eagles. Yeah, I'm going to stay in my Eagles. Well, I was doing this thing where I was saying I'm going to stay in my Eagles lane and then I leave my Eagles lane. I'm going to kind of have like. How many lands are there?

I'm going to have Daryl Morris back here. Like there's this, you know, I kept hearing in all these various trade negotiations, whether it was Ben Simmons, whether it was James Harden, like they should do this deal. They should do that deal. A GM like Darry, a GM like Howie Grossman. I don't think they're like not exhausting the marketplace, right? Like I think Howie Roseman had an idea what what he was going to be able to get when he made the trade. I think he wanted more. I think he took the best deal he was able to get at the time.

And so I was surprised Hassan didn't get more, but I don't think that was on Howie. I think the fact that they held on to him until really it was I think it was March 31st when they made the deal. I think that shows they were trying as much as they could to exhaust that marketplace. Yeah, it's like the thing, I think you and Bo have made light of this that all these reports that Howie is making calls. Like, it's not that impressive for a GM to be doing that. I mean, it's impressive for me. I hate making calls.

Like, I could never be. Oh, getting somebody on the phone. I don't mind that, really? No, I don't. That's why you could be a GM. That's why you are holding you accountable and not me. Yes. I couldn't do it.

Yeah. But yeah, I agree with you. He clearly was, and is somebody who definitely pitches trades around the league and takes the temperature. You hear that from other people around the league. So this is almost assuredly the best deal he could have gotten. I also think what the Giants gave up for Brian Burns is instructive too, right? Sure. They didn't get a ton either.

Because it's the player plus the money. That's what you have to factor into it. So the second part here is if Redik has traded, think big about his replacement. I said if you can't get Brian Burns, at least you took a swing. I then look for an emerging pass rusher in free agency. My target would be Bryce Huff, a rotational pass rusher with the Jets coming off a 10-sac season. If his salary is in the mid-teens, that would be a good direction. I'm not trying to pat myself on the back.

Howie Berman over here. Wow. But yeah, I can't knock. I said this sitting in this seat right here, pounding the table, when the Eagles signed Bryce Huff that day, I was like, I can't rip on this move because it's, It's literally the move I said I would do. How do you think the Eagles pivoted from the Hassan Redick situation? I don't know.

You know, obviously, we know the gamble that Huff is, right? Like, he is the guy who did not have a full-time role but really flashed over the past year. We'll see if it works out. But I will say I am more skeptical of the Eagles pass rush than I have been heading into the season over the past few years. Now, in fairness, like the pass rush was terrible at the end of the last season. completely non-existent. So, so maybe that's a good thing. So I know, we'll see. Well, said, we'll get much more in the Bryce off as camp approaches. I will say before we get to the ad on the phone call thing, I just want to, I don't mind being on the phone. What I don't like is letting the phone call

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Yeah, yeah. Like, what's the max you're doing? Oh, I'm thinking like five minutes like well like after the actual substance because there's times you're you have to flesh something out for for 15 20 minutes right but when you're at a point like afterwards two minutes like I would say two to five minutes post like when everything's wrapped up you can't go much beyond that you don't need to the whole purpose of the call is to achieve so like is to have that so you talk you yeah you had the conversation you don't need to keep going on and on and on well said But before we keep going, let me tell everybody about rocket money.

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Let's go to the secondary. Sign a starting safety. This is number three. Sign a starting safety with the profile of Malcolm Jenkins and Ronnie McLeod. As I read this, I'm not trying to flex, okay? I'm just reading what I wrote in March. Look at you. You and Howie.

Sympotico. I will look at history as a guide and Chanowell what worked with Malcolm Jenkins and Rodney McLeod, a mid-20s player who's not coming off a career season, but could emerge as a better player in his second contract than his first. I mentioned a handful of players in there, but then I said, C.J. Gardner Johnson would interest me if bygarns are bygones. The Eagles missed his personality on defense last season. And he's a ball hawk with safety slot cornerback versatility.

The contract could be discounted relative to last season's ask. Nailed it. So I will say the one guy that I was a little bit bummed that they did not sign this here. And it sounded like it was close was Xavier McKinney. That he just had the profile to me of the kind of new Malcolm. Jenkins where, frankly, he probably improved a little bit more at the time of the Eagle signing him. You know, honestly, I think we don't talk about the Malcolm Jenkins signing enough,

like the initial one in 2014. Do you remember, like, on Sports Talk Radio, they were talking about J.Ris Byrd for... I remember well. I mean, T.J. Ward? Yeah. Was that like a month worth of J. Jersbird? It was, oh, man, Chip Kelly was there when he was there at Oregon, and he's the main

signing. and then the Saints just who I didn't really think had the room to sign him kind of did some crazy salary cap gymnastics to sign him. And then here comes Malcolm Jenkins for three years. 15. And not only is he a better player than those guys, but he's the leader of your Super Bowl team. I mean, just absolute home run. Agree. Yeah, I mean, you don't need to convince me on Malcolm Jenkins.

Shrewd move by the Eagles. At the time, I was like Jerry's Byrds the perfect fit. you know him right uh there was a clear need at safety the eagle scouted that well malcolm jenkins was perfect for philly uh one of the great free agent signings and one of the great book forward writers uh as well um yeah so look i i i hear what you're saying about a xavier mcanny so i in this blurb i mentioned him as the guy i would target and i think he's the guy the eagles would have liked he signed a four year 67 million dollar contract i don't think the eagles were and go that high at safety.

The player who I said they could look for as a cheaper alternative was Jordan Ford. He was leaving the Rams. I liked him as like a Malcolm Jenkins type player. He signed a one-year $3.25 million deal in Carolina. I do like Jordan 4. I think C.J. Garner Johnson is a better player. The Eagles signed C.J. Garner Johnson to a deal that could be a one-year deal, basically, if it doesn't work out.

could be longer. CJ Garner's Johnson's of the age profile and the playing profile that I think really benefits the Eagles. We saw it two years ago. He's a real talented player. He's an ideal fit for what they want to do. I like that signing quite a bit.

I also mention his competitive zeal because I do think the Eagles were missing that. And Hallie Roseman said as much back in March that the Eagles were missing that type of player. And, wait. Okay, well, I'm sorry, I should be looking at the screen. We'll get to that. So anyways, I look at CJ Gordon-Johnson as the ideal place to turn from a cost perspective and a playing perspective.

Obviously, I'd rather Xavier McKinney, but at the cost, they signed TJ, I thought it was a good move. Versatility, attitude, and you know what you were getting with him, right? Like, there is a familiarity, and frankly, he's played with some of the guys who are here. I think it's a very, very good signing. I would have wanted Xavier McKinney. That's the home run pick, but he also would have cost a lot more money. And I think CJ is a middle option between him and Jordan Fuller. Nothing wrong with that.

Well said. By the way, here, I DM Zach, a quality show idea in May, and he big time. Hey, Chris, I promise you, I did not big time you. Get off the phone, Chris. Chris, if the idea was the cap show, I promise you, I put work in the trying to get the ideal guest forward. I'm still putting work into that. If it's not the cap show, follow up with me on DM. If it's either Twitter or Instagram, I promise you, I will write back to you,

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signing a starting linebacker with the biggest financial investment in the position since Nigel Bradham. And I wrote, I'm not suggesting the Eagles getting to the Patrick Queen market, but I said the $5 to $8 million range is a more likely option. I wouldn't treat this like last season when they waited until August 4 veterans on low-cost deals. The Eagles signed Devin White to, it was reported that at the time they signed him as one year 7.5 million. It was really one year four million, right? I did not put Devin White in my write-up. Good job, Hallie Roseman did not follow my guide there, because I think Devin White was a better outcome than what I was suggesting.

What do you think about the Devin White signing? I mean, they still went pretty light. It wasn't a huge investment in the linebacker position. Do you think after OTAs, it is fair to say that you are most confident Devin White is going to be a starter among the linebackers? Yeah, I think Devin White's their number one linebacker. It would surprise me if he's not. I can't tell you Nicobotene's going to start.

I can't tell you Zach Bond's going to start. I can tell you I feel fairly confident. Devin White's going to start. So, I mean, they went linebacker. We will see if it turns out as well as Nigel Bratham, who was awesome for a couple years, awesome, versatile player. I don't know. You know, Devin White coming off the rough year.

Did Fangio have anything to say about him? Yeah, Vic Fangio, they're hoping that he gets back to kind of what he was in Tampa Bay. Now, Devin White, and when I say earlier on in his career in Tampa Bay, because he had a down year last year, he says he's trying to show Vic Fangio that he can blitz. He's but he's an effective blitzer. He said Vic Fangio is going to use you to maximize your skill set. So, I mean, Devin White, the athleticism has never been a question, right? he's made plays on the ball.

He's made plays as a blitzer. He was just really inconsistent last year. I still think this is a bigger investment than what the Eagles have made in recent years. When you look at it, you know, Zach Cunningham, Miles Jack last year, this is a bigger investment than that. Some of the other signings that they've had that were kind of ill-fated, whether it was like Zach Brown or. Now, the Kaiser White signing worked out. That was one year three million. But this does represent a bigger investment than they take.

typically make at linebacker. And from an age profile, I actually think he's a player that if he's good, similar to Nigel Bradham, they can give him another contract to stay in Philly. The next one here is let the market come to you at running back with a D'Andre Swift return and option. I don't need to read the whole thing here, but I'm going to say I wrote this as like two free agent classes in one at running back with three players who were tagged last year, available this year.

There's going to be more starting caliber supply than demand for. starters as the position, the Eagle Shacked accordingly. If the price is reasonable for Sequin Barclay, make a move for top of the league running back, but don't pay $12 million per year. Howie Roseman did not listen to me. Howie Roseman signed Saquan Barclay to a deal that averages $13 million a year. They set the market at the position. I will turn this over to you because I am having too much usage time if we're going

back to basketball or soccer here. You're a high-usage player. You're a heliocentric podcaster. What did you Do you think Howie made the right move Going with Barclay paying top of the market money Or do you think they should have gone bargain bin at running back? I think here's what I would say

Because we were talking about the Giants and Hard Knocks the other day I think Howie He really deviated from last year When he had three or four super really cheap running backs And you know the Giants they signed Singletary to a $5 million contract So I think the idea that you say all right if we are going to pay for a running back we are going to pay for a top of the market guy who we think is a difference maker i at least understand that idea we will see if in practice sayquan is that game breaking player and if he is worthy of that investment but i understand that i like that there wasn't kind of a half measure we're going to dip our toe into the running back market we're going to go halfway um now the question i have for you though let's say they did go bargain bin let's say they went you know $2 million, $3 million, whatever it would have been.

Where is the main place you would have reallocated that money to? Good point. That's a really good question. So, again, you have to operate with the facts at the time, right? So at the time, I probably would have said that I would pay that money either to a third wide receiver, okay, or to a cornerback. We did not know at the time that they were going to end up. drafting, you know, Aquignon Mitchell and Cooper de Gene with their first two picks.

So that was a spot that they loved. I would have maybe paid a linebacker a little more than they did. At the time, when they made that move, I did not know Devin White was going to get the deal that they got him on. I might have looked more in the Jordan Brooks territory. I thought that they've had success in this system. finding now not league average running backs but they traded for DeAndre Swift

on the last year of his deal right Miles Sanders was on his rookie deal I like running backs on rookie deals I thought maybe you trade for Damien Pierce right that's a player that I mentioned in that article I think there are good running backs you can trade for I'm not saying you have to sign AJ Dylan or J.K. Dobbins two players I said at the time

who were kind of one year you know, low a low cost signings, but I would have surveyed the trade market. That said, and I've said this, I'm consistent with this, I don't mind paying A player's A money. And Seqon Barkley's an A player.

And if you want to make the argument to me that the third running back, I'm sorry, the third receiver, you know, Darnell Mooney is getting the same amount of money as Saquan Barclay. Seqwan Barclay is a better player than Darna Mone. I'm fine with that

argument. I just think this is, an expensive price to pay for it back. To me, just reading through this entire exercise, it's clear because you mentioned, of course, they draft the two cornerbacks that the place you would reallocate that money is another receiver or tight end or whatever. But at least from Howie's standpoint, you can rationalize it by saying, like, look, we're going to throw the ball to Sequin a lot, right? He is going to be our third or fourth option in the passing game,

and that's going to be a huge part of the offense. And if that's the case, it'll work out, right? Well said. You're right. And that is how they're thinking of him. Let's knock the next two out quickly. Be patient with the James Bradbury decision. I said at the time that there's no financial incentive to cut him,

that they can kind of wait, see how he fits in Vic Fangio's defense. What the Eagles did was they haven't cut him. He's on the roster. They're cross-trending at safety for the reason that I said there. There's no financial incentive to cut him. There is an opportunity cost. You know, every snap he gets is a snap that a younger player doesn't get. But I think they're going to hold on to him to see what they have in him right now,

number one. And also maybe there's an injury elsewhere and they can turn and trade him. Do you like what their approach with James Bradbury? Yeah. I mean, I didn't like their, I didn't like watching James Bradbury last year. But yeah, the idea that he could play safety, like, I think he's too slow to play outside corner at this point. Like, I think that's clear. I don't think he's going to magically get his speed back next year.

I guess what are the odds you think? think that he gets traded, would you say? Yeah, I'm always skeptical that they're going to get something for him, right? I mean, I think an expensive player this time of year who's coming off a bad year, I think teams are probably more apt to wait for him to be cut. I think a team's only going to trade for him if they genuinely think the equals are going to keep them. I don't know if the Eagles are going to keep them as a depth corner, depth safety player.

Can't imagine. Yeah. All the depth they have in the secondary now. But again, like, they're guaranteed a salary, so they're paying them that no matter what. So from that perspective, I can see it. I don't mind them giving it a shot, though, right? It's like you said. They've already guaranteed a salary, so you might as well try and see if there's something there.

My guess is there isn't something there, but that's okay. Last one before the break here is turn right guard, or I'm sorry. Devante. I skipped one. Okay, the sixth one here. Exercise Devante. Smith's fifth year option. Work on a contract extension for Smith and Linda Dickerson.

to put this quickly, the Eagles acted quickly with both players. They signed Dickerson on the first day of the league year. Devante Smith, they gave, if they exercised this fifth year option, they gave them a new deal. Most importantly, what they did was they jumped in front of other guards and other wide receivers getting bigger deals, and they kind of got the guy that they wanted on a price that they were happy with. Yeah, I mean, I think the Devante won, as somebody who does not understand every, you know, every idea. of the salary cap and every like, you know, guaranteed money versus, you know, non-guaranteed money versus years and all those things.

It seems like the Devante contract was pretty much a home run, right? Getting out. 100%. Getting out in front of that one. And, you know, when you look at some of the money and you look at, you know, some of the bigger receivers, I think the fact that Devante is not at the elite elite tier probably helped a little bit too, right? Because you have guys like Jamar Chase and CD Lamb, they clearly were waiting out.

Justin Jefferson and be like, hey man, you got to set the market for us. Like we're probably not going to get quite as much as you, but we want to get close. And you are the guy. And you need to do that. With Devante, it didn't actually exist that way. So I think that one was pretty easy. I think some people were wondering about the Dickerson contract when it got signed. But there were some big deals handed out the guards and free agency.

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And I said, and this was number eight on my 15-step guy, turn right guard over the Tyler Steen, don't overspend on veteran death. The Eagles did not overspend on veteran death. They are ostensibly turning right-guard over the Tyler. I say this with the asterisk that that we'll see what Mackay Beckton looks like. They signed Matt Hennessy as inexpensive veteran debt. The Eagles were interested in the draft in trading up or they or I should say they were they were interested in drafting an offensive tackle that could potentially play guard

that did not work out that way, of course. There were six guards taken or six tackles rather taken in the first 20 picks. So are you on board with Eagles approach at right guard, or do you think they should have done more this offseason? No, I'm on board. And it's what we talked about, right, in the Landon-Dickerson extension. Like, guards are getting expensive now, right? And if you spend a third-round pick, a high third-round pick on Tyler Steen,

like, you need to give him a shot to play, right? And I know last year was a little bit of a question mark, right, with Suo Peta getting time over him. But no, I would have turned it over to him. Now, the Eagles were kind of, you know, some of their public comments, they kind of turned it over to him. They're like, you know, this guy's here. And he's in that spot. He has traits, yeah.

I guess we'll let him go. I guess we'll let him take a few snaps. But I am on board with it, right? If you believed in him last year, I think you should give him a shot, especially with, you know, I understand that moving Cam Juergens to the center, playing those two guys together. there is a little bit of a question mark there. But look, you still have Lane Johnson, Milana, and Dickerson here, right? Like, you should be able to form a pretty good five-man unit with those guys.

I know Bo has been kind of banging the drum. Excuse me. He's been banging the drum on that for the first time, bang the table, the drum, that this is going to be the first time in a while that we can't pencil in the Eagles offensive line is like a no doubt top three, top four unit, first time in a while, right?

But I'm still on board with that. Like you had holes elsewhere, particularly on the defensive side of the ball. I'm fine with it. I think they are dating scene right now. They're not married to him at right guard. Now, for all the aspiring writers and reporters out there, when you're doing this type of exercise, really go out on a limb, have really bold takes, bold opinions. That's stuff that will go viral on social media, right? Like, really put yourself out there like I did on number nine.

give Brandon Graham his farewell tour. Okay. This was the most obvious one. Brandon Graham wanted to stay in Philly. He didn't want to play elsewhere. He said this was going to be his last season. The Eagles made it easy. They gave Brandon Graham a one-year $5 million deal.

There's no reason to complicate this. There's not much analysis given. I assume you mean, or I assume you think this was the correct action for the Eagles. Franchise legend. Yeah. The biggest play in the history of Philadelphia sports, has just had an incredibly long career that is very rare in this sport, given whatever he wanted. And they did.

Well, said, I wholeheartedly agree there. Number 10, and this is one where Howie and I kind of went on divergent paths, find your number three wide receiver in the draft. I mentioned the free agents, but I said the Eagles will have enough resources tied in to AJ Brown and Devante Smith and can find an upgrade in a loaded receiver draft grass loaded receiver draft class roman wilson keon coleman or troy frankwin in round two i asked jacob cowling or anaya smith in a middle round the eagles will have options uh so the eagles did draft an i smith in a middle round if you consider round five a middle round i don't know if it's kind of a middle round yeah i don't know

if an i smith is the number three receiver is necessarily the way i would um turn uh but uh i thought the eagles could have and should have addressed wide receiver earlier um how do you feel they went with the number three spot. He had a fun highlight tape. I know most highlight tapes are fun, Ania Smith, but for a guy who didn't really blow anybody away from a testing standpoint,

like, he might be a guy that's better once they put the pads on. I can at least dream of that being the case. Usually they say be better once they put the pads on for a guy who doesn't look good when the pads aren't on. Yeah, that's true.

That's true. Did he look bad when the pads were? I didn't love the way he looked this spring, but again, I saw it. I saw him for, for, she was hurt for the beginning of it. I saw him for like three practices. No, he, yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing Anaya Smith this off season or this summer, that's for sure. Well, and just reading your description, I would say the time when the Eagles could have made a bigger investment is in the third round of the draft.

Exactly. You mentioned Troy Franklin in the second round. They could have gotten him even after all those trades they made, right? They could have gotten. And instead, they take Jailix Hunt, who was this. Project pass rusher, which, you know, I understand, but is probably not going to help the team that much this year. Maybe he will on special teams, but I think he's got to learn how to play football a little bit, and that's what Vic Fangio's job is to teach him how to do that.

So, yeah, they really did not fill this hole. But I guess the hope is that it's Sequin Barclay who's doing a lot of the heavy lifting there. Yeah, good point there. Because when you look at the J-Ox hunt pick, and I like the upside of J-Walli, Alex Hunt, but we talked about that being a project-type player, right? And so Luke McCaffrey was

the next wide receiver taken after the Eagles picked Hunt, but then Troy Franklin, and he's someone who, in our draft coverage, I was high on, I think it was a good pick in Denver, and I think that's one they might regret not taken. J. Von Baker was, or I should say

Javon Baker was in the fourth round. Tess Walker, a wide receiver that I liked was also in the fourth round. So you could say that the Eagles, you know, they took a nice Smith in the fifth round and that's someone that they had a decent grade on. He's someone that they identified going into the draft. But I think Troy Franklin in the fourth round is someone who, oh, I'm sorry, in the third round, someone who would have interested me. That said, I think some of the draft plans, I don't want to say

changed or were disrupted, but when Cooper DeGene fell to the second round, the Eagles were aggressive and appropriately, so we will get to that quickly here, or shortly here, rather. But, yeah, I think the Eagles could have and should have done more at wide receiver three. Paris Campbell is the likely player there. They can still make a move. But you can say you have AJ Brown, you have Devonte Smith. We saw last year in the playoffs what happens when AJ Brown's not on the field. We saw in week 18 what happens when AJ Brown and Devonthe Smith aren't on the field.

Those guys have been remarkably healthy for the team. Eagles and I just wonder what this offense will look like with one or both injured. I'd also just like to see kind of more of a threat in that spot. Nick would always talk about Cuez Watkins and he'd be like, look, he does things for our offense, which I assume just take the top off. Run deep. Right. Run deep.

And hopefully, you know, that opens up stuff for AJ and Devante. But like, I think we saw how that worked and the answer is like, he also took a ton of things off the table in terms of like, did you really care if Kwez Watkins was running deep? Like I would still focus on A.J. Brown and DeBante Smith. So I would like kind of a more, more dynamic target with the ball in his hand. Somebody who's a little more versatile than that. We'll see if they do it. Yeah. No, that's well said here. Talking about the draft, number 11 here, drafts an offensive tackle in the first two rounds. And I talked about in my blurb having a backup land for Lane Johnson. As I said, going into the draft, he can always have a tackle that slides

over to guard. Now, the Eagles were interested in the top tackles. You saw that with their visits, but six went off the board in the first 20 picks, and that's also why cornerbacks kind of got pushed down the board. So I think if Quinnion Mitchell had gone earlier, then maybe a guy like Troy Faltonu is the Eagles pick or, you know, Ameris Mims. If Cooper the Gene was not an option in the second round. Maybe Kingsley, I'm sorry, Kingsley, Sue and Matea would have been the Eagles picked there. Given how the board fell, I think Hallie Roseman operated fine. There was, there was no offensive tackle that I would have taken over Quinyan Mitchell at number 22. There was no offensive tackle that I would have taken over Cooper to Gene when they took

Cooper to Jean or in terms of them trading up for him. So again, I said at the start of this, one of the things with this exercise is you don't know how the board's going to fall. And I think the Eagles operated well here. You did not know there would be an unprecedented run on offense at the beginning of the first round. You didn't know Michael Pennix was going to get in the, man, what a moment that was in the live show as well. That was just absolutely stunning. Yeah, I mean, it was just a crazy amount of offense in the first half of the first round.

And I like what the Eagles did. It's like you said, like I think Quinnian Mitchell at the time he wrote this, like if you looked in mock drafts, he was being projected as like the. 10th pick, you know, the 11th pick. Like, he was not really making it to the Eagles in a lot of those drafts. And so the Eagles just, they let Quinnian Mitchell fall and then they trade up for Cooper to Jean. I like it, right?

Like, it's not like they went crazy and were drafting a running back. Like, cornerback is, maybe it's not quite as premium of a position as offensive tackle, but it's up there. And it was their biggest need going into the offseason. So I have no problem with what Howie Roseman did. I have no problem with your prediction either, too. You just didn't know what the board was going to look like. Exactly.

And that kind of ties into my next one here, number 12. Draft two cornerbacks, including one in the first three rounds and one who can play in the slot. The Eagles drafted two corners. They drafted one in the first round, one in the second round. And they definitely drafted one who can play in the slot. Cooper the Gene can absolutely play in the slot. This one, if you had told me when I wrote this, that they'd be able to get Mitch on the Gene, I would have said you're nuts. Right.

So for them to land that this is a boon for the Eagles. Great draft. No notes. Well said. Let's go to 13 here, which is a choir, I'm sorry, acquire a 2025 day two pick. And I said that because I said it's the type of down the line thinking that has benefited the Eagles in the past few years when they've had a surplus of picks in, I said the first two rounds. Also, there's an argument that the draft might be deeper next season given the relative dearth of underclassmen this year with the NIL era of college football kicking in.

and that's precisely what the Eagles did. They didn't get a first or second round pick, but they traded back this year in round four, and they were able to trade a fourth round pick for a 2025 third round pick, and Hallie Roseman cited the expected strength of next year's draft. What were your thoughts of this strategy for the Eagles? I think you and Bo talked about it in the show after the draft. like, you know, you don't want to be, you know, too positive.

Like, I think we, by trade, are skeptical people and, you know, maybe this isn't going to work out. But the maneuvering that Howie Roseman did to get that pick, it's hard to argue with it, right? Well said, yeah. You know, it certainly made the draft stream a little bit longer that night. You know, I think Bo was over there and he was passed out because of that day two pick you're talking about in 2025. But, you know, just in terms of value, I like the way he moved around the board. It's good. Yeah, I am, I'm with you there.

You see this sometimes in the NBA where a fan base is like critical of trading for a future pick. But then when that future pick turns into Jason Tatum, right? You know, now that's obviously like the best case scenario situation. But I think that the Eagles did a good job forecasting of what next year's draft might be. Like the numbers were clear. This was the lowest amount of underclassmen or the fewest underclassmen in like two decades, right? And I think it's kind of, it's going to correct itself. It's going to normalize itself similar to that year in the NBA when, you know, they instituted the age limit.

And so there's that one year when like it was kind of like a lapse in talent. Slim pickings. So I think Eagles did a good job there. They also have a 2026 day two pick that they got in. the Hassan Reddick deal. So two more here. I'm mostly interested in number 14 year perspective. I said stack the deck for Tanner McKee to win the number two job.

And the Eagles did not take this suggestion. They traded for Kenny Pickett. They wanted the young cost-controlled former first-round pick was starting experience. But I think if they went with McKee, they would have liked it. I thought McKee, and look, I know Bo is the. foremost, you know, he's leading the, not just the church of Ellis, but also the Tanner McKee fan club as well. I thought he was really good in the preseason, right? And, you know, asking him to be the number two quarterback after a year of learning, right? Like, I didn't think

that was a crazy idea, but it's a quarterback factory and they just want to do, uh, to go after Kenny Pickett and his small hands. I, so I have, I have no idea if, uh, you know, like Kenny picket actually would be like a good backup but i i just think tanner mckee showed enough in the preseason that i would have liked to have seen more but they also know a lot more sure uh internally about tanner mckee who did you know marcus marriota didn't even see the field last year so much less tanner mckee so i think that uh you you framed it well there i think they they wanted someone who's played right they they wanted to take out some of the unknown i think the picket decision was made independent of mckee i don't think that was an indication of what they thought of mckee and

as much as I think that Pickett was a guy that they liked coming out of pit. They thought he kind of fit what they were looking for at that spot, in particular, having starting an experience and still on a cost-controlled contract. But if you took the pedigree out of it, I think McKee would have been a sensible option for the Eagles. What do you think the fan-based reaction will be? Because we know Jalen Hertz is probably not going to play at all in the preseason. if Kenny Pickett has a Marcus Marriota level preseason from last year, and McKee does the same exact thing.

I think they'll be pushing for McKee, right? I think there's already been exposure to Pickett. Now, the inverse is like if Pickett looks great, they'll probably be calling for him to be the starting quarterback. But no, I think McKee, I think McKee's like an easy guy to get behind because, like, from a passing camp perspective, he can fling the ball or chucked the ball all over the field. But I think Pickett, I actually think,

think picket's going to have a good preseason he was really good for the Steelers in the preseason last year he's he's kind of one of those gamer type quarterbacks he's a great august player yeah exactly and i think uh loves the humidity and i actually think the trade that they made trading from the third to the fourth uh to get picket um was a fine price to pay for a backup quarterback i just think that if if they had given if they had signed like a journeyman quarterback to a one-year deal i think McKee could have beaten them out. Like, I just, if McKee was, they're essentially their backup quarterback right now,

I don't think I would think much differently of the Eagles roster overall. Sure. The fact that they have Kenny Pickett is not any more assuring to me or, you know, or like more of a downer either too. Like, I just, he's just a guy. Last one here is keep

your eyes on an upgrade at number two tight end, but don't force it and consider the trade market. So what the Eagles did here is they certainly did not force it. They signed CJ Usama as veteran insurance. They're going to give Grant Calcutera and Albert Okuwakbom.

I'm sorry. Albert O. I'm working on that. They gave them... You didn't have much of a chance to the workshop last year. They're going to give them a chance to win the number two job. How do you think the Eagles approach number two tight end this offseason? I just don't think they really value the position that highly.

Interesting. Okay. Yeah. I just think it was slim picking. I think it was a bad draft year. And I mean, they could have gone Jatavian Sanders in the second round. I'm sorry, in the fourth round or the, or I'm sorry, the third round rather. But I didn't think this was a great tight end class. There was no way really to turn in free agency.

I don't think it's not that they don't value the position. I just think that they kind of, they didn't see the market as fruitful. Would you bet that they draft one next year? Yes, good question there. I'm telling you this, when I do my 20-25, you know, if I were Halley-Rosman, this is what I would do, a dress tight end is going to be on that list. And I have a 2025 draft show on Friday. I think I'm happy to say it with, I hope I'm not speaking out of turn saying it now,

but Devin Jackson, the great draft analyst from the Inquirer, is going to be here. year helping me with some of my 20, 25 players to know, maybe with a pronunciation or two as well. But yeah, I think next year there's some tight ends that the Eagles should be looking at. Maybe Oscar Delp from Georgia is someone who will be discussing. There's a few other guys there. But I think that Dallas Goddard, there's no certainty that he's on the team in 2025. That's fair. we're already at the one hour two minute mark here but before we wrap up what's your big picture

takeaway from my approach to what howie roseman did well i think and it's what our show was on friday i think it all hinges on how much money they gave sequelae versus and i think that affects you know do they spend a little more money on a safety whether it's zavier mcanny do they spend more money on tharnel mooney as the as the third option but that is where the biggest divergence is and that is where, you know, I think that certainly affected how they attacked other positions. Yeah. I think that this exercise shows that when my wife says is true, I think about how he was been too much, probably.

You know, what's that, like, there's that meme that I see. Look, I'm kind of hip right now, right? Where it's like, that husband and that wife sitting, or maybe they're not married, that couple sitting in bed. And she's like, I wonder what he's thinking. about Emily's never wondering. I'm thinking about, you know, what moves they're going to make in the 2025 draft. So yeah, I think as I kept doing this exercise, I probably think more and more like Howley, that my opinion has become less original. Nailed it. And you described the meme perfectly

as well. So this was a quick show. This was a fun show. I enjoyed this. But we will be back tomorrow, I shouldn't say, but we will be back tomorrow at noon discussing they are two weeks away from training camp officially tomorrow. They report two weeks from tomorrow. So that's 14 days. So we are going to do a, I mean, Bo is going to be listening to this and saying, how did you think of this number, Zach? We're going to do 14 things. We're going to go back and forth, seven each on what we're looking forward to, what we're excited about with training camp. And, and, and, And let the countdown begin then. So you can watch that at noon tomorrow.

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