PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | How does the Philadelphia Eagles’ coaching trio of Nick Sirianni, Vic Fangio & Kellen Moore stack up?

Episode Date: June 19, 2024

We’re ranking the coaching staffs around the NFL on today’s show to set the expectations for the Frankensteined Eagles. How Nick Sirianni will work with Vic Fangio and Kellen Moore remains to be seen, but the upside seems high. Is it a top-10 group? Top five? Zach Berman and Bo Wulf make their cases for the best coaching staffs in the league. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody, and welcome to the P.H.L.Y. Eagles podcast on a high noon Wednesday, Bo Wolf, Zach Berman, here to talk about the coaching staffs in the NFL. Zach, how you doing? Doing well. excited for the show. Boom. Let's get it going. Yeah, I did want to ask you. We mentioned it out there. I always like to get right into the show. But I did think when I saw the, when I saw the Willie May's news, his passing, I wanted to know. know, your memories growing up, not of Willie Mays. Well, I'm not that old. But please let me finish, Bo. You grew up in a household that has an appreciation for baseball and baseball history. What was the role of Willie Mays in the Wolf family?

He was my godfather. I think that's an asinine question. No, I mean, we had a nice back and forth on the family text thread last night. There you go. You could just answer that before the backfoss. You asked, what was his role in my household? He was the babysitter? I don't know.

I want to tell you. Yeah, I think there's one of a kind. What else can you say by Willie Mays? You know my favorite Willie Mays stat? Let's hear. Before he was called up, when he was in AAA, I think as a 20, 21-year-old in 1951. He had about 150 at bats. You know what he was hitting?

You've said it before. 477. That's like Bow-Wolf territory. That's insane. Yeah, what'd you back in high school? In high school, probably somewhere just a little bit above 300. Yeah. Highland base percentage, though, good eye.

Willing to take a walk. That's solid. Just like Willie. Yeah. 667 for me. That's nice. Yeah. I think we could probably work out the math there.

Yeah, okay. Yeah, no, I mean, and all the great stories. What more is there to say? And also, like, you know, a year and a half, if it's a lot of, prime you subtract that from the total best player of all time what else is there to say agree best player of all time he was always the guy growing up who like the name willie maize was uh the thing that came to mind is the best best the best baseball player of all time the same way when you say basketball it's michael jordan right hockey wing gretzky growing up it was always

willie maize the best baseball player of all time and who was it in football for you zach when i was growing up was Jerry Rice. Now it's Tom Brady. We don't need to go down that rabbit hole, but nonetheless, Willie Mays, the best baseball player of all time. And what was the role that he played in your household? My household, so honestly, you know, I love Ken Griffey Jr. as a kid, right? And so you want to know, like, the history of 24. And so then you learn about Willie Mays and you and I are the same age. I couldn't go down like YouTube private holes back then, right? True.

And so I remember specifically the ESPN Sports Century and I loved the all those ESPN sports centuries. But the, the Willa Maze one in particular was when I had the most exposure to watching and play and just like how gracefully is. And the stories that always lingered with me because I read all those. baseball books growing up, like any type of baseball book I read is him playing stickball outside his apartment. Yeah. I could just imagine that building still stands. That must be like the coolest thing in the world to have the best baseball player playing stickball with you.

Yeah. Yeah. I miss stickball. You miss stickball? Yeah, stickball was fun. Okay. Okay. Were you good? I imagine you're good stickball. You have good hand-eye coordination. I do have good hand-eye coordination, just like Willie Mays. Yeah, we didn't play a lot of stickball, but I like a stick ball. Do you ever play stickball? Variations of it, yes. Okay. All right.

Well. Now you're going to say that's our show, everybody. That's your Bob Costas joke for the show, yes. Yeah, that's about right. All right, Zach, our exercise today, now that all the people who don't like to listen to non-Eaglestok can complain and turn off the video. Yeah, they did not want to hear about your softball yesterday. That one.

That one guy didn't, but everybody came to the... But everyone came to your defense. sent his minions out. I didn't send anybody out. Is there a group text for that, by the way? When all those people like to fend you at once, you say, you say, go after them. No, because I don't talk to the people like you do.

You say they're like a badge of honor. Just, you know, the minions are the minions. They don't need me to tell them what to do. Fair enough. What else would you like to do to wheylay things today? Oh, I'm the one who does that. Okay. Ask you about the passing of the best baseball player of all time.

First show ever, you want to get right into the coaching staff. All right, let's do it. Let's do it. I'm excited for this conversation. All right. So on Monday, we did the NFL weapon rankings, right? The entire rosters of the wide receivers, tight ends, and running backs across the

league. We both had the Eagles about fourth. And by the way, I do think we should circle back on like the rumors that the Niners are trying to trade Brandon Ayyuk, like how much that would change. Quite a bit. It's quite a bit. I would say. We probably move the Eagles up a spot.

I don't think Ricky Pearsall is the same one of those as Brandon Ayuk right now. I agree with that. So today we want to do the full staff. And, you know, the Eagles have Frankenstein this staff together. They have kept Nick Siriani as the figurehead, the CEO, if you will, imported Vic Fangio and Kellan Moore and a few of their acolytes while also keeping some Seriani guys around the building. You've still got Jeff Stoutland. That's impressive.

How would that group rank? how does that group rank in our minds with the rest of the league, the rest of the league's coaching staffs? And I think this one is fun. I imagine we're going to have the same number one, but I think we'll probably have a little bit of maybe more variance from two to ten than we did the other day. How did you go about this exercise? What was your operating procedure? So the challenge here was what weight do you place on the head coach for a few reasons. First off, head coach is the one who like the wins and losses are. on him, right? The offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, position coaches, you're not

looking at you, you don't have that tangible record. You can look at offensive rankings and defensive rankings, but someone like Mike Tomlin or John Harbaugh or Mike, I'm sorry, Kyle Shanahan, right? There's a track record there. And then oftentimes, because you're successful as a head coach, you are replacing your staff, right? So someone like Kyle Shanahan, replaces his staff. Someone like John Harbaal replaces his staff. So if they're not replacing it with the big name, that's

not always the case. You know, I was you know, it's not always the case that person has the great reputation, but the person they promote or the person they hire might be the next Joe Mazzua, right? So that's, come on. Come on.

Joe Mazzua is a, is an NBA winning head coach. And you're giving me a, come on. Yeah, that's a Brad Stevens team. Joe Mazzaa is not that good of a coach. Oh, come on. Okay. His team was by far the bad. What did he do?

He coached them. He didn't do anything. Tell me you haven't watched the Boston Celtics without telling me you haven't watched the Boston Celtics. That's fine. Right there. I think they could have won the title with you. Their level of, well, I'd be a pretty good coach. But their level of preparedness, the attitude you get from Joe Mazua, the person out.

Like, Joe Missoula is awesome. Didn't he, wasn't he like laughed out of the league last year for how much he was outcoached in the finals? Believe it or not, you can get better. Okay. And it wasn't the NBA finals last year. He lost it. Yeah, in the Eastern Conference finals. Yeah, the Spolstra.

Yeah. But no, Missou was, I think Missouille was done awesome this year. And I have great respect for him. I covered him a bit when he was at West Virginia. Back-to-back NCAA tournaments. And I was actually looking it up the other day in my Gmail. a number of Joe Mazzul's stories there. So he filled it up there.

So no wonder you like him. That's the fuller picture. Thank you. No, I, I binged on Joe Mazzul interviews during like the past 36 hours and really impressed by him. What a life you live.

Okay. I binged on Joe Mazzula interviews. Yeah. Nonetheless. You're really taking advantage of this lull in the NFL calendar. I mean, you should get better or you should or you can stand still like if you're standing still let's have a catch

hold on if you're standing still i'm listening to this joe mazula press conference from january 19th my kids do go to sleep right so when they go to sleep what am i supposed to go to sleep or uh i'll go deep on on joe mizabeth okay so let's let's actually unpack this oh god you if you're not if you're not if you're standing still you're getting better what made you better about the 36 hours of joe mazula content you binged. Learning a lot about him, honestly, learning about his coaching philosophy, his background, his personality,

the people with whom he consults. Yeah, there's value on that. If you're trying... So for your Joe Missoula book that you're working on. No, not... Okay, leadership's leadership. Coaching's coaching, right? No, I've read about, you know,

different soccer coaches to learn about their styles. I've read about hockey coaches. I've read it. Yeah, coaching, yeah, leaders are leaders. You can learn,

if you're closed-minded toward learning, then you're not going to learn. If you're open, like, you can learn from everywhere. I, if, if the best custodian comes in here,

I want to see what the best custodian is doing, so I can learn. I'm not going to back away from that. Yeah, but that's not the, that's not really the point. So, there are probably lots of other,

if you're just looking to learn, there are probably many more, there are definitely many more interesting things to learn from than Joe Missoula interviews. If I'm trying to learn, I mean, I don't have an audience with Joe Missoula right now. So the next best thing is the interviews that he has and the articles about it. Yeah, but stop treating Joe Missoula like he's like Bill Belichick. He just won a champion. Why are we going on this rival?

I gave a reference that you can promote. So you have Missoula in your top five. No, you can promote from within. So my point is, so my point is that Dan pitcher, the Cincinnati, Natty offensive coordinator might be like Joe Mazzul, right? Okay. Even though he has not been an offensive coordinator. So you really sidetrack that.

So when I look at like the Washington commanders coaching staff, okay, a staff that I will talk about here, Cliff Kingsbury, he comes with a certain cachet as an offensive coordinator. What's to say that Dan pitcher won't be in a king's bear? You're going to have the commanders in your top ten? Yes, I will. No way. Are you serious?

Oh my God, I can't believe that. All right. Wow. Oh, we are, this is going to get spicy. How about we start with our number one? Top ten, they're in my like bottom five. How about we start with our number one? Arizona Cardinals.

That's good. That was a joke. No, I think we should still work our way back. Yeah, okay. Wow. That's fascinating to me. me. Okay. Do you want to talk about, I guess we can, uh, I'm fascinated. I'm fascinated that, that, that's such a controversial take. I mean, I mean, that you even said, you had a hard time

after one deciding. Yeah. So I, yeah, I've got like a two through 15 that I found difficult. Then I've got like, uh, the ones that were clearly like not bad, maybe like the 16 to 22 range. And then I have about 10 teams that are just Xed out, no thought, like, like absolutely not. And Washington is absolutely one of those teams. Well, there is a little bit of Carolina Panthers from last year where they thought they had this like dream team staff and then it discombobulated. So perhaps it's that I don't feel strongly about the commanders. We'll get to it. Whenever it is, you have the commanders.

I don't know, like top four, whatever it is. but number two all right you want to start with you are number 10 people are killing me on I honestly it may be the worst take in the history of the show I did the first take of the history of the show okay

all right do you want to go with your number 10 well hold on let me just say my the way that I was going about it obviously offense is king right okay you always okay yeah well yeah I'm trying to win a Super Bowl I'm trying to have a good team

offense matters more and so if I have a predictably good offense that's the most important thing that I can have. Obviously, that's, that's overweighting other stuff. If there are a couple, you know, position coaches around the league who make a little bit of a difference, but there are not too many of those. And, you know, to your point about like, like the replaceability of the coordinators, like John Harbaugh has done a good job replacing his coordinators over the years in the past. And so you can sort of rely on that a little bit. But yeah, I mean, offense,

offense is king. So let me ask you this then. Okay, because I'm serious. One of the teams I had a hard time with here was the Los Angeles Rams. Mm-hmm. They have, in my mind, an elite head coach. Mm-hmm. Okay. Their defensive coordinator, Chris Scho, we're still learning it, like, we don't know much about him.

Their offensive coordinator, Michael Lefleur, we were, he's still like, so, so I'm saying, so if I didn't want to make, the point is I didn't want to make this a head coaching ranking, right? And so if I'm just making a head coaching ranking, I'm not putting the commanders in there. If I'm just making like, I don't have the Rams in here. I mean, I think it's very, it's very clearly to me, would you trade the entire Eagles coaching staff or the entire coaching staff of the other team? Yeah, well, I mean, I would trade. So then the head coach obviously matters. So then so literally the way this conversation started was I said I had a hard time with how to weigh the head coach. Yeah.

Because if I'm doing just the top 10 head coaches, Sean McVe is really high on my. list. If I'm doing the coaching staff, I am, I probably didn't put enough weight on the head coach then. Okay. Because what I'm doing here. We'll see how it plays out there. Yeah. So that's where my, I, I, when you talk about the methodology, I looked at the coordinators. I looked at their experience as, uh, coordinators. I looked at the style of play that they have. Uh, I, I looked at, like you said, other notable coaches on their staff coaches who have, if you have a quarterback's coach who has coordinator, experience, that jumps out to me. If you have, you know, a linebacker's coach who has significant coordinators experience, that jumps out to me. Like on the Eagles staff,

I like the fact that Clint Hurt, who's been a defensive coordinator in this league, has had success overseeing defensive lines. Now, he's their defensive line coach, right? So I rank the Eagles really high because of like the overall competition of their staff, whereas I wouldn't put Nick Siriani over Sean McVeigh. So that's where I'm saying the challenge for me in assembling this list was what weight do you put on the head coach particularly? Okay. I think we will find out that I probably put a little bit more weight on. And so honestly, so after the show on Monday, the offensive skills, I went back after the conversation.

I said, I would do this differently. That's what's great about the show is that you talk about it, you think about it. And part of it's like leaders, you change your ideas with. more information. I imagine after the show, as I hear your point, I say, that's a good point. I don't buy that point as much. I'm going to reconfigure my list. Okay. Yeah. Who's your number 10? The Washington commanders. The Washington commanders. Is it really? Yes. Oh, I thought they were even higher than that. No, no, no, number 10. All right. Sell me on the Washington commanders at number 10 because, uh, woof. Yeah. Okay. Dan Quinn. They're like eighth choice.

Okay. I mean, you know that, you know what? I might have been my wife's a choice. It's unfair because, you know, Doug Peterson was not the eagle's top choice. Yeah, that's fine. That's fair. Yeah, I mean, come on. Come on. I know for a fact, I've had jobs where I wasn't the first choice, right? So, like, you know, it's not whether you're the top choice, it's where you get the right choice.

And Dan Quinn, I liked him when he was the Falcons, a coach. It got stale at the end, as most things do. It's very seldom that a head coach leaves on like a high note. but he had a real good run there he's very well respected within the league strong organizational skills um i've spoken to players who've played for him they speak highly of him i thought the work he did in dallas was outstanding there's a reason why he was hotly pursued the last two cycles because he has a good reputation i mean he wasn't that hotly pursued this cycle he interviewed a few places didn't he only got one offer and it was as

He's the backup, to the backup, to the backup. Okay. Yeah, so I think Dan Quinn, if you're talking about head coaches who've brought their teams to the Super Bowl, who brought their teams to multiple playoff appearances, it's a very small, it's a very narrow list. Dan Quinn's one of those coaches.

Is he not? Like, if you talk about... Yeah, but, I mean, are we just stacking resumes? Is that how you just look at everything? No, like having a little foresight. Okay, yeah. Cliff Kingsbury, I thought, was overmatch. at the end as a head coach.

I think as an offensive play caller, he's an experienced play caller, okay? There's a reason, like the Eagles really like Cliff Kingsbury. The Eagles were very interested in hiring Cliff Kingsbury. Joe Witt, Jr., someone who I've heard great things about, okay? And then you look at the coaching staff. Brian Johnson has been a quarterback's coach for, you know, he was inconsistent last year as a play caller.

But I like Brian Johnson on that staff. Ken Norton, Jr. has been a defensive coordinator in this league, right? So I think that's a solid D.C. I'm not, like, pounding the table for the Washington commanders. I'm saying that if I made a spreadsheet of head coaches, offensive coordinators, defensive coordinators, notable coaches, the amount of, like, the experience that they had,

the reputation that Joe Witt brings, the fact that he's working with Dan Quinn. Dan Quinn brought him over from the Cowboys. I know the way, the Eagles defensive coordinator spoke about, or I'm sorry, the Eagles coaching staff spoke about that Cowboys defense in the past. So as I say this, there are other, like, I would rather have the Rams coaching staff because of Sean McVeigh.

If I could trade the entire commander. So you don't have the Rams in the top. This is the waiting of the head coach. Yeah, it's the waiting of the head coach. Because I didn't know how to properly wait, Chris Shaw. I didn't know how to properly wait of Michael Lefleur. but as I'm saying this out loud, I would change that. If the way I'm doing this is would you trade this coaching staff for that coaching staff, then yeah, I would take Sean McVeigh over about seven of these.

Okay. But that's the exercise. But then we're just doing head coaching rankings essentially. No, because there are ties to break. Okay. Yeah. I mean, it's like. So then, yeah.

So if I came back tomorrow. If you're just like accumulating how many player or how many coaches on the staff have been Peter principal. and have been like demoted back to the role that they should be in. Yeah. That's like that's a, but the role you should be in. Like I, I remember speaking to Jeff Stoutland about this the summer of 2016, 17.

And I asked him if he, you know, if he has aspirations of like being a higher coach than, now and then an offensive line coach. And first off, he said he's done it before, which is true. But he said like you, you look at like where you excel, where you can like affect people where, you know, if you frame it as far as the Peter Principle like it's a negative thing if you have a defense of the defensive line coach from the 49ers Chris Cassoord

he's had a lot of success in that role you don't have to convince me that he needs to be a defensive coordinator when he's had a lot of success in that role so Peter Principal might not like if I always say own your role excel in your role and if Ken Norton Jr. is a great linebacker's coach then if Brian Johnson's

great quarterbacks coach, right? And, yeah. If Cliff Kingsbury is a great offense coordinator, which he hasn't been. He's never been. No, he's never been. He hasn't been an offense coordinator. He's never had, he was at four years as a head coach.

Yeah, since he was at Texas A&M. Yeah, he hasn't been no state since he was at Texas A&M. Right. But, uh, I think you're vastly overrating Cliff Kingsbury. Fair. I don't feel strongly about the commanders one. I feel strongly hear about my top.

My top seven. And then after that, I had a hard time after seven. There are seven staffs that I really liked. Okay. Who was your number 10? My number 10 is, and you know, this one's tough because it's a striking hard balance of this head coach brings a lot of energy, going to make the team better. The offensive coordinator did a really good job with a rookie quarterback last year, but it's distracting to have such a handsome head coach. Are you going to be able to be able to be able to?

to focus on the task at hand over the course of 17 games with D'emiko Ryan staring you in the face. I might get distracted. But, yeah, I... I had the Texans on my list, but they didn't make my 10. Yeah, and this is one where like 10, 11, 12,

I was really debating back and forth. And I think the team that ended up 11, I think you will have in your top 10. But this is also... This is one where the depth of the staff made a difference to me. You know, your boy, Corey Unlin, is the defensive pass game coordinator.

Gerard Johnson was getting interviews for an offensive coordinator job. Seems like on the up and up. I didn't realize quite how many ex-Eagles were just on this staff. Phil Davis. From Matt Burke to Bill Laser, Billy Davis, Dino Vaso. That was interesting. Sometimes you hire people you know. Yeah, I guess so.

And so, D'Amico is not like the most in-game, fourth-down aggressive coach in the league last year. That matters to me a little bit. but from a like a defensive game planning perspective, from an energy perspective, I'm giving them the number 10 spot. And I thought that, you know, Slowick, given what he had at his disposal last year, did some interesting things.

Yeah. I won't kill you there. I mean, that's a sensible thing. I had that staff in my other receiving votes. Okay. Before we get to your number nine, Zach, let's talk about our friends, specifically our friend,

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What do you got at number nine, my friend? Number nine, the Arizona Cardinals. The Minnesota Vikings. And I have the Minnesota Vikings here. Again, Kevin O'Connell in two years has had success. Not the playoff runs, but has had success. I really like Brian Flores as a defense coordinator. I feel like his units are always kind of competent, well prepared.

We saw last year they gave Jell and Hertz some trouble. West Phillips still kind of learning more about him as no C's. He has been there for two years, but that's Kevin O'Connell's show. They get Josh McCown on that staff. They have Mike Petton on that staff. So they have some recognizable names there. Petten has head coach. Kenna McArdle.

Keenne McArdle, your boy with the Jaguars growing up, well regarded. as a wide receivers coach. So, yeah, so this is one where the, I would like if the head coach had a little more success, again, to use the argument, I would probably trade the Vikings for the Rams. But when I look at the overall staff, I think Brian Flores is what really pushes this for me.

I like the Vikings, rather. I did not have them in my top 10 or my top 12, but they were in that sort of like 15 range. I think you made good points. I don't begrudge you on that one. Certainly nowhere near the Washington Command. Yeah, I don't feel, I will back off the commanders by the end of this. I'm very curious to see how the offense looks this year with whoever the quarterback is.

What do you think it's going to be? Do you think it's going to be Sam Darnold or J.J. McCarthy? I think it'll probably be Sam Darnall for the first four games and then it'll be J.J. McCarthy. They'll probably do that old song and dance. What about you? I think it's going to be Darnel too, but I, I'm of the opinion with the quarterback. back, just put them out. Like, unless you're going to sit them for the year, like Patrick Mahomes did, put him out there.

Well, McCarthy's so inexperienced as a thrower. I would like him to get those reps. Sure. Fair enough. But, yeah, I don't know. Number nine for me is the Baltimore Ravens. Okay, I had the Ravens much higher. I think we're going to have a different top five. This is interesting.

Okay. Now they lost Mike McDonald. Otherwise, they would be much higher. But John Harbaugh has done an excellent job. backfilling the staff over the years in some of the ways that you were talking about. I was looking up the last five seasons, teams who have been top 10 in DVOA

in all three phases. This has happened 10 times over the course of the past 10 seasons. The Ravens have done it three different times more than any other team and they've done it with three separate sets of coordinators. Great, now get right there. Over that time.

So I trust in Harbaugh in terms of a game manager. He does, although he has backslid just a little bit, but he does the things that I would care about. He's aggressive on fourth down. I'm probably not quite as high on Todd Munkin after last year as some people are, but I would say I trust in the stewardship of John Harbaugh enough

to even with some questions about the rest of the staff, put them at number nine. Yeah, the Ravens are number five. I liked what Todd Munkin did last year. I thought their offense opened up quite a bit. And I've heard terrific things in the league about Zach Orr, who was a real good linebacker from them, got injured. He's kind of worked his way up to coaching staff. I know people have played for him.

I know people have worked with him. And people I trust, and they say this guy's a rising star in the coaching business. And I will also say that John Harbaugh's had just a keen eye for defensive coordinators during his time there. like identified Mike McDaniel, I'm sorry, Mike McDonald to come back. You know, Rex Ryan, he inherited Rex Ryan. Rex Ryan had success there. He's had, you know, a wink Martindale had a lot of success there. I think that John Hardball seal of approval is there in Zach Orr when he was a player,

like future head coach. And they had part of the problem, right, is that if you're talking about the whole staff, not only did they lose Mike McDonald, but they also lost Donard Wilson and they lost Anthony Weaver to coordinator. He drives elsewhere. And so the full picture of the defensive coaching staff, even if Zach Gore is a rising star, has taken a hit. True.

Chuck Smith has a great reputation with pass rushers. He used to be a private pass rush coach. T. Martin's kind of worked his way up in the Ravens system. After being in college for a while, George Godsey has experience as a play caller in the NFL. So that's why I have the Ravens 5. Okay. Who do you got number 8?

My number 8 is Miami Dolphins. I also have the Miami Dolphins. offense at number eight. How about that? Wow. A little shake of a hand. Yeah. Finally, I agree with brilliance here. Mike McDonnell, I'm sorry, Mike McDaniel, I think he's acquitted himself well during the past two years. Frank Smith, someone who I thought might be get a head coaching job. But then it might just be that I talk to people in Baltimore sometimes. Anthony Weaver is another guy. I've heard really good things about. Yeah, I mean, offense is king for me. Mike McDaniel,

second in offensive TV way last year, sixth the year before that. That sixth in his one year as an offensive coordinator for the Niners. It's basically that easy. Now, he's had a lot of talents in both stops, but I think that's enough to push him over the contenders who I would have at like 11, 12, 13. So there you go. In 2015, I wrote an article on the Inquirer on Jonathan Krause, who is now an assistant there, Jonathan Krause, former Eagles receiver, went to Vanderbilt. There you go. I'll jump in.

I'll give you my number seven. And I feel like this is one that you will probably not have in your top 10. And this is on the strength of the head coach, who I think is underrated as a head coach.

Now they've got a new defensive coordinator in Jeff Halfley from Boston College. Adam Stenevich is the OC, but this is Matt LaFleur's offense. What he did last year, post Aaron Rogers, with a quarterback playing

for the first time, full time, with all of those young parts on offense, I thought was really impressive. Sixth and offensive DVA last year, with all of those new spots. Yes, he had Aaron Rogers, but never outside of the top 12 in offensive DVA

over the course of his tenure as a head coach, four of the five in the top quartile. His only time running an offense that was the bottom third of the league was the one year he was in Tennessee that predated his time in Green Bay. Poor Mariota. And so I trust in Matt LaFleur,

I think that he is probably a little bit underrated because of the Rogers connection, what he did last year meant a lot to me. Yeah, point. If I was going just with the head coach ranking, I would have him up there. As I said, or as you referenced, some questions about the staff. Although Jeff Hathley, he was on CHIP's staff in San Francisco. And I remember hearing back then, like this guy sharp. I might not to bump him down. This guy sharp. Ohio State. Then Boston College was, did a decent job recruited in New Jersey when he

was with Boston College. Got out at the right time, I imagine. But yeah, I, I, don't have them in my top 10 again I won't fight you on that one I just think that. Yeah, I think this is the difference of the way that we went about it. Yeah. Okay, who do you have a number seven? My number seven is the Los Angeles Chargers. Okay, I do not have the charges in my

10. They were my 11. Okay, I like this Chargers staff. First off, Harbaugh, has had a lot of... Who's got it better than them? Nobody! Six of their staffs, according to you. Jim Harbaugh has been successful literally wherever he's coached.

University of San Diego. Stanford, San Francisco 49ers, University of Michigan, and the Los Angeles Chargers are going to be successful with Jim Harbaugh. I think they will too. He is an elite, elite coach. He's similar to Dan Quinn. He's brought his team to the Super Bowl. He's brought his team to championship games.

It's won a national championship. Okay. Greg Roman is someone who I think is a high level OC. I thought he kind of reached his, he reached the stale point, if we'll call it that. the expiration date with Baltimore. I was fine with that change, but I like Greg Roman as an O.C. It's also from that way.

He's from South Jersey. Atlantic City area? Yeah. Yep. Jesse Minter is what we talked about during the coaching search. Real creative DC. I think they have a decent staff behind him. Mike Elston has a good reputation as a D-Line coach.

Mark Tresman's coached in the NFL before, coached in Canada before. I can go on down the list. But yeah, I was actually thinking of putting the chargers a little bit higher here. I'm not I don't really disagree with any of that I think I'm a little bit I don't love the Greg Roman offense okay which is which is part of it's a weird fit for Justin Herbert it is right yes and it's it doesn't seem as a plug and play for every team

right if you're just like I'm starting a franchise this is my staff like it you need a little bit more specificity with Greg Roman and it is a weird fit with Herbert but this is a good staff and I do think that like the risk with Harbaugh is that like over time he wears on people a little bit, right? But certainly for a couple seasons, you would, you would probably sign up for that. So I don't, I don't disagree with that. They were my 11. Okay. All right.

You want my number six? Yes. My number six, Zach is the Philadelphia Eagles. Interesting. Okay. You and I disagree on the Eagles. You want to save this conversation for the end or do you want to get into the Eagles now? We can talk about it now.

Do you want to say where you have them? I have the Eagles, too. Really? I have the Eagles too. Yep. Huh. I'm surprised. I think that the risk with the Eagle staff is that it looks really good on paper, but the parts may not all fit together.

Okay. Like these are. But literally what we're doing now is judging parts, aren't we? I mean, I'm judging the staff. Okay. And like the Fangio track record we can get to. We can get to it when we talk about the Cleveland Browns. But like the the Fangio track record is not as good as like the reputation necessarily

because everybody has copied him, but the results do not speak the same language. Now I actually like I thought about putting them even lower, but I think Stout makes a big difference here. And like just to have the best offensive line coach in the league makes a big difference. I mean, I don't know. The offense was super stale last year. Kellan Moore's offense in LA last year was not that great. I'm not 100% convinced that the offense is going to be great. Now, what also matters to me a lot is Nick's willingness to go forward on fourth down.

That's why they're this high for me. But I think there is a risk that all of the parts do not work together very well here. And that's why I'm unsh. Like, for instance, I'm going to have the Rams next because of Sean McVeigh. Like I'm pretty confident of what I'm going to get from the Rams coaching staff next year, even though I don't know what their defense is going to look like. I don't know. There's a degree of mystery about what this coaching staff is going to do this year.

Yeah, I would actually argue that there's more mystery about coaches who haven't done it yet than like Vic Fangio has, like, two and a half decade resume of overseeing defense of teams. Here's his resume over the past nine years, 19th in DVOA, 20th. 21st in DVOA, 15th in DVOA, 11th, 14th, 24th, 30th, 5th. That's an average of like 16, basically. Okay. Middle of the road. Nine years, two top 10, two bottom, or two top eight, two bottom eight. Like, that's a long track record of solid.

That's not like moving the needle. Compare it to Jim Schwartz over that time. Second, 18th, 15th, 12th, third. sixth, fourth in seven seasons instead of nine seasons for top eight, no worse than 18th. Like, Jim Schwartz is a, by the record, a much better defensive coordinator. You don't have to sell me on Jim Schwartz. Yeah, I mean, I think, I think Kellan Morris had success as an OC in this league. When you look at it and you say, so if you take the head coach out of it, I know you can't

take the head coach out of it. But would you rather Kellan Moore and Vic Fangio or would you rather Michael Fleur and Chris Schua? I would probably rather But you're also saying the track record We've never seen Nick Siriani do this This role Well no wait so then

But so then I look at Nick Siriani's track record as a head coach And I think Nick gets underrated in three years As a head coach he's he's brought his team to the playoffs three years All three years to Super Bowl wants us that the head double digit wins in two of those seasons His down year His down year was like 11 and 6 Now they collapsed right But I mean there are

are coaches who get extensions after 11 and 6, right? That's that's Nixiriani's down year. And then I look at the coaching staff. I see much more experience at the position coach level than they had in the past. I mean, like I said, Clinton hurt. He has, you know, he's, he's obviously done it before. Doug Nussmeyer has been an established quarterback's coach. I'm not saying, again, I'm not saying it's like the right hire. I don't know that. But there's more of a track record to go off of with Doug Nussmeyer than there is Alex Taney. So I think the staff overall, there's success at the head coach level,

there's experience at the coordinator level and the position coach level. That's why they're number two. When I was ranking this, I did, yeah, I did lend more credence, if you will, to establish success. Because I can't look at, I can't say Chris Scholler,

is going to have success as the Rams defense corner. I just don't know that yet. Okay. Who is your number six? My number six is the Detroit Lions. Interesting. They're my number three. Then you're number three.

Okay. I mean, we've seen what Dan Campbell's done with the lions here. Ben Johnson turned down head coaching jobs or opportunities. Aaron Glenn very well regarded in the league that the numbers aren't great. But then you look at like the NFLPA survey. He was, I think, the defense coordinator, most players wanted to play. for. I think there's value in that. And then I'd like

some of the members of the staff, Dave FIPP, I've seen a firsthand success that he has. Scotty Montgomery has, you know, he's a former college head coach. So yeah. This is one where I would not sign up for the lines for like their coaching staff for five years.

And I think they're maybe getting a little too big for their britches at the moment. But in a one year sample size, I like having the head coach who is aggressive on fourth down and I think Ben Johnson is a very good offensive coordinator

so I'm signing up for that just for one year. Okay, fair enough. Yeah, okay. Who do you got at number five? Number five, I have the Baltimore Ravens like we said. Okay, oh yeah, and I have the Rams here.

Okay. We'll talk about the Rams a few times. Yeah, I'll tell you I've got the Niners at four. And like the Shanahan versus McVeigh, it's very tight. I would probably rather have McVeigh, although Shanahan is a little bit more aggressive in game management than McVey is.

We talk about how frustrating it is that both of these guys are these like offensive mavens but don't trust their offense when it matters. But this is where like the tie to me was broken by the rest of the staff because of guys like Kukurik. And I mean, actually that's basically it

because. Brennan Staley. Yeah, that doesn't mean much to me. Brandon Staley's been a high level, you know, if you're giving Chris Schua credit for the Rams, you got to buy. I'm not giving Chris Schuil credit. You're just going to head coaching right now.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I mean, Brent Staley was, was an accomplished defensive coordinator with the Rams. He brought the chargers to the postseason, collapsed like here. They had terrible defenses. Yeah, well, as like, what is he now, the assistant head coach, senior advisor, or something like that. Yeah, Nick Sorensen is the defensive coordinator. Exactly.

Yeah. Yeah. That's fine. I had the Niners five. Okay. So then who was your four? My four is the Cleveland Browns. Okay.

They're my number two. They're your number two. Okay. Yeah, I mean, this is one. I actually thought I was going to be higher on them than you were. I think Kevin's the fanci is an outstanding coach. I think he's outstanding play caller. He's had success with different quarterbacks.

I think Jim Schwartz, I just said it before, is as good a defense coordinator as you'll find in the league. Ken Dorsey, I mean, the bills got better when Ken Dorsey left last year. But he has had success as an OC. so but it really is Defansky's offense I like this Brown staff yeah to me it's like

Jim Schwartz is the defensive coordinator that I trust the most in the league and then I think Stefansky does good stuff on offense and he has had when his quarterbacks have been not Deshawn Watson

a very good offensive track record I'm with you that Dorsey is not super exciting but I'm just I'm pounding the table for Schwartz yeah okay yeah I like shorts

I feel as if you have this extensive spreadsheet and just comes down to, does the head coach go for it on fourth down? Do I like the offensive play caller? Well, I mean, a lot of that stuff is what matters to me. Okay. I mean, it's not just the go for it. Yeah, no, I was being simplistic.

Yeah, how good is the offense? How reliably good is the offense? Yeah, absolutely. That's the most important thing. Okay. And did you just time travel forward 50 years and not know that that's how the NFL works these days? Well, I think leadership matters. I think demonstrate.

success matters, right? Like, you know, I think you'd see like Mike Tomlin in the winner circle, but you'll say, what about this coach who lost in the first round who had the number three DVOA, right? Like, you know. What winner circle has Mike Tomlin been in? He has held a Lombardi trophy, has he not? Yeah, a long time ago. Okay. I mean, you don't have them in your top ten? Yeah, dude, the Steelers? We're going to get to the Steelers? Yes, really? Oh, wow. All right. Well, everybody's going to need to maybe get some pharmaceuticals

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My lions. Okay. My lions are three and the browns are two. Okay. Make the case. Did you say you're four? San Francisco. Okay.

Make the case for the Pittsburgh Seahors. At number three. And number three. Okay. Mike Tomlin has never had a losing season as a head coach. Okay. I think from a leadership perspective, from an organizational structure perspective, he is elite. Okay. He gets his players ready to play every week.

I think his shortcoming in recent years has been his offensive coordinator. I think they've had a poor offensive coordinator in Matt Canada. I don't think they've had great quarterback play either. I think Arthur Smith is a major up. grade at offensive coordinator, which you should appreciate, okay? People say he's your doppelganger. I will walk off this set right now, you'll say it again. Okay.

Okay. Arthur Smith, if you just look at his offenses in Tennessee, they were efficient, okay? They were successful. Those teams were successful. I like the Arthur Smith higher in Pittsburgh. I was underwhelmed by his offense in Atlanta, which he did oversee. Okay. But I think as an OC, he's a major upgrade over Matt Canada.

This is a team that's never had a losing season. Terrell Austin's been a four-time defensive coordinator in this league, right? He has experience in that role. And yeah, I think that there's so the reason I'm going for here is there's a demonstrate a record of success. The high watermark has led to Lombardi trophies. The low watermark never finishes with a losing record. I think that they upgraded their Achilles heel.

And yeah, I mean, I'm not like saying that Pittsburgh Steelers are amazing, but I will die on the Mike Tomlin Hill if I have to. Okay. Well, I mean, you can make the argument that Mike Lombin is not a top 10 coach. I will. I actually think Mike Tomlin is a top 10 coach. I think Mike Tomlin's a very good head coach. there's a little bit of inconsistency, it feels like,

with your overweighing the head coach here and not doing it with the rest of your list. No, because his staff, I think Arthur Smith, in the O.C job, is established, is successful, as demonstrates success as an O.C. Terrell Austin has demonstrated success as a defense coordinator. I mean, you're reaching back a long time for the Tomlin Lombardi

to, like, really hoist that up. Yeah, this was like a thing on. on the on the on the on the on the on the on the on the on the on the on the on the on the discord um you know do you have sean payton on your list i don't have sean patent on my list okay um um but i i do have have to have um mike tom on here i think this is i mean i think that three is a wild take while okay i mean look reasonable minds can disagree you might think i'm an unreasonable mind here i don't think it like here let's look at so mike tom ones last five seasons, okay, 10 and 7, 9 and 8, 9, 7, and 1, 7, and 1, 7, and 1, 7, and 1,000, 2,000, 1,000, 10 times, he said, he said, double digit 1,000, 10 times, he's been to the championship game, 1, 2, what, 4 times, like, Super Bowl champs here, lost, lost this championship, so three times in the championship game, okay?

And once, he has not want to play off. the last nine years. He has not won a playoff game since, since 2016. I did think actually Tomlin, like Carolina should have gone after him as like a change of scenery coach, like similar to what Andy Reid did at the end where, but yeah, I think Mike Tomlin is elite and having his teams, you know, already to play at his team's competitive. There's a reason, like I see the mocking never had a losing season. I mean, there are coaches who you ranked who have had multiple losing seasons.

Mike Tomlin is not, and I think he upgraded his staff this offseason by adding Arthur Smith. So if I did this exercise last year, I probably would have had the Steelers down at like eight or nine. I think Arthur Smith gives him a big bump at OC. I'm just, I'm so flabbergasted. I don't even know what to say. You're flabbergasted. Yeah, I am flabbergasted. At three.

Yeah. So you're all in on Sean McVeigh, but not on Mike Tomlin. I would rather have Sean McVeer than Mike Tomlin, yes. You folk to the hipsters are going to love you. No, the people who know that scoring points is a thing that matters in the NFL. Scoring points does matter. So does winning games. And Mike Thomas.

I'm pretty sure that Sean McVeigh has won more games over the past five years than Mike Tomlin has, even with a non-winning season. I'm not like trust. He certainly won more playoff games. I love Sean McVeigh. I think Sean McVeigh is an outstanding coach. I wish. I hate being painted into being the Sean McVeigh defender. This is not what I want to be.

Your argument here is anti- Mike Tomlin. So be it. I like Mike Tomlin. I think Mike Tomlin's maybe the best leader of men of the head coaches in the NFL. That's great. But he knows a lot about football too. He has this guy's ready to play. Yeah.

I think he's, yeah. I think his willingness to keep Matt Canada as long as he did is probably a strike against him. Sure. But he, He doesn't have him there now, right? So I'm not going to give him a strike that Matt Canada was his offensive coordinator last year. I actually give him a boost because he improved at the O.C. level.

Number three. I mean, are people as shocked as I am? Yes. Okay. That's good to know. Yeah, I mean. Just an interesting peek into your brain. Yeah.

It's nice that you still find a way to surprise me. You're still spicing things like. It's like, like anyone who disagree. Like I, I don't feel. I was expecting to have some differences on this one. This is fun. I don't feel like I'm not going to defend my commander's pick, right? They're a better pitch there.

Okay. I will defend my time. That is, I don't know. It's hard to decide which is more wild. The commanders at 10? Yeah. I think probably the commanders at 10 is crazier. Yeah.

I mean, I like, I like Mike Tomlin. Guilty is charged. Guilty is charged. Okay. Okay. I like Mike Tomlin. And now you have the, you have the Eagles of two? Yeah, you're two. Cleveland.

Cleveland. Okay. Which actually feels too high for me. Okay. Because I don't think that Stefansky has done quite enough to be held in that esteem. But like two through seven for me is all very close together. Okay. I think we obviously have the same number one. The Arizona Cardinals.

Jonathan Gannon, Drew Petzing, Nick Rallis. Yeah, the Kansas City Chiefs, number one. Kansas City Chiefs number one. And there's a big chasm between number one and the next one. A huge chasm. Can I, here's an area. Or a big goal, I should say.

Here's an Andy Reed stat for you. Okay. 1999 was his first year as head coach, right? That year, the Eagles, the year where the Eagles were 31st in offensive DBOA. In the 25 seasons since, or not I guess 24 season since. How many times has Andy Reid's offense ranked in the bottom half of the league below 16th in 24 years? How many times? I would say two.

Two? 2005 and 2012. Yeah. That's it. Yep. And he was playing 22 of 24. And there's like 16 of them are in the top 10. He's insane.

He's insane. He's insane. Both times. Yeah. That's unbelievable. I mean, you got, you know, Spags has plenty of his, own merit, right? There's a bunch of guys who you will like as like demoted positions throughout the coaching staff, starting with Matt Nagy. But I mean, even if you are thinking that Patrick

Mahomes is responsible for, you know, 80% of that over the past six years, I mean, the Nd-Reed track record is just, it's just unbelievable. I agree. You don't have to sell me on an Nanderead. Best coach in the NFL, best staff in the NFL, with Spaggs, says, done there is terrific. Your boy at special teams coordinator, Dave Talb. That's the other thing. Yeah.

As just a cherry on top, they have the best special teams coordinator in the history of the NFL. Yeah. Again, I don't like how this show has kind of turned me into anti-McVeigh because I think like Sean McVeigh is awesome coach, awesome mind.

But it's always befuddled to me that like every coach higher has to be from the McVeigh tree. whereas the reed tree to me is awesome and like that that should be picked on more.

Maybe not as much as the Tomlin tree, but actually one of the shortcomings one of the shortcomings of Tomlin I would say is that his staff hasn't gone on like to become great head coaches. Maybe that shows how elite of a head coach he is. Was there anybody else you consider it on the outside

that you'd like to? The Rams. The Rams, I would certainly put in. I have a speculative bet on the Seattle Seahawks. I'm a big Mike McDonald's guy and Ryan Grubb, you know, from Coach Flynn just saying, like, this is the most fun offense to watching college football. I would agree there. I had him at 12, just purely speculation. Plus, they've got Leslie Frazier in the building.

So that's one where I would, if I was talking your language, I would buy some stock in the Seahawks coaching staff. Yeah. Did you consider the Jags? I actually did. Ryan Nielsen at D.C. Solid, but minimal track record there. I think press, I'd like press personally. I think there's been like inconsistencies with his offense as a play caller.

Doug has won a Super Bowl. He's been in the winter circle. So that does matter. I did, I did consider the Jags. Ultimately, I obviously did not go with you. And did you consider the Indianapolis Colts? Yeah, I did briefly. Again, it's similar to the Texans for me.

I need to see a little bit more of it. Now, the difference between the Texans and the Colts is that the Texans D.C. has done it longer, right? And Gus Bradley, but I do like Matt Burke. I just think that I just need to see a little bit more of it, right? Like making the playoffs in year one, losing in the first round. Certainly, if we do this list in a year, he could be higher up there. I think for rankings, I need, you know, for rankings of this nature,

I need to go based on accomplishments more than kind of predictive analysis. You don't have to do anything. That's my way of doing it. Like I like Ryan Grubb. Let me ask you, let me frame it this way to close. Now that you, if you had the opportunity, you have the Eagles of two, but reframing it if the opportunity was presented. to you to trade the entire Eagle staff

for the entire other staffs in the league. So you would get the McVeigh or you would get the Kyle Shanahan. Where would you rank the Eagles? Are there teams so you would push ahead of them if you were factoring in the head coach more? Would Mike Tomlin be there? That's a good question because to me it's like you can replace your coordinators much

easier than you've replaced your coach, right? So yeah, I would trade Nixiriani for Sean McVeigh. I would do that. So if you're just doing like, would you trade this staff for that staff, yeah, I would trade for Mike Tom, or I'm sorry, I would trade for Sean. How many would you do? That's a different. So that's basically a head coach ranking.

And well, I think that if you, you would make the case, right, that if it's close, you would, you would take him more than Vic Fangio, right? Exactly. Yeah. Um, I, I would need to look through what to give you an educated answer on it. Let's say if you just took the head coach at or, I, it. I don't have a strong answer for you right now. I know we need to have good taste.

I think it over and give us an answer tomorrow. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Would you, after this conversation, change anything about your list? Um,

no. I mean, I, not necessarily. You remind me of Bob Knight sometimes in this respect. Okay, not, not here.

There's a great Bob, well, I mean, I went through the process, the way that I went through a process. Yeah. You went through it differently. So Bob Knight, I heard this story actually from, I read it, I think, from Rick Riley or Jim Murray.

Or maybe Dick Schap. Sorry. Or maybe John Feinstein? Yeah, Bob Knight's out duck hunting with Woody Hayes, I believe it is. And I've never hunted duck before, but so he shoots it. The duck keeps flying. And he turns and he says, now that's a comment. confident duck, a dead duck flying.

Do you get it? Yeah, I get it. Can you appreciate that the appropriate closing to this show of you comparing me to Bob Knight would be for me to choke you, but I will not do that? I'm not comparing your values to Bob Knight. I'm saying Bob Knight, that's an example of like Bob Knight's Supreme Confidence. We just did it now. It's not about supreme confidence. I went through the process knowing what mattered to me.

and I went through it and did it correctly based on my own assertions. You didn't even know what you were doing. So we couldn't decide what you were evaluating. We just went there is our exercise and I said, you know what? After discussion, that's something I would do differently. That's something I would do differently. I said, is there anything? Yeah.

Anything on your list. I might consider like, I'm good. I'm right. I'm right. Like, yeah. I just show, I think that demonstrates like a difference in. No, do it right the first time. Okay, okay. All right, fair enough.

If you do the work the first time, you don't have to do it again. This isn't matter of doing the work, okay? I'm sorry to say that you did not compel me with your Washington commander's argument and I should have them in the top 10. Okay, fair enough. You know, I'd consider the Chargers, maybe. I might bump up the Ravens like a spot or two. I don't love having the Browns at two, but I don't have a better answer.

answer than that? Okay. I don't know. Fair enough. What did you think that you had convinced me on something? Should I have the Steelers at five? I thought that, yeah, I thought maybe the Ravens will be higher for you. The Steelers, the Chargers will be higher for you.

Yeah, basically, you just want like an offensive head coach. How many defensive head coach? Yeah, welcome to the league. Okay. How many defensive head coaches do you have in your top ten besides the me? You have Domeco 10. I mean, Harbaugh is not an offensive head coach. He's a, yeah.

You know, Dan Campbell is not an offensive head coach, but. Okay. Yeah, I mean, yes. Okay. How many defensive head coaches has Jeffrey Lurie hired? One. Okay. Yeah.

And he fired him after four years. Yeah. Ray Roads. I'm aware. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, no, I think that. Yeah, I'm sorry that that's, I have an operating philosophy of how the

I don't know it works these days. Okay. And I've seen Mike Tomlin and John Harbaugh. So actually those are the only, and I have Dan Quinn in there. These are coaches who've made the Super Bowl, who've had demonstrated success. Now, Dan Quinn had it with Kyle Shanahan and as his offensive coordinator. That might have been the key, right? We'll see about Kingsbury.

But I look at, like, if you show me that you've done it, maybe I am anchored to the two. to that. But it's not just like I'm saying. This is like the Julio Jones debate all over again. It's not like I'm saying Mike Tomlin. But no, it's, it's not because Mike Tomlin's had success as a coach these last five years. Like his low watermark is nine and eight basically. Yeah, I like Mike Tomlin as head coach.

So yes, when I'm looking at this, so I thought Mike Tomlin's biggest deficiency was his offensive coordinator. And I thought he upgraded at offensive coordinator. I don't think that's a controversial take. No, but three is a controversial take. All right. We'll be back tomorrow. for betting prediction.

Let's just keep it live until then. No, no, no. I got places I need to go. But we'll be back tomorrow for over-unders. Back tomorrow at noon? No, no, no, not. Oh, no, I'm sorry. I apologize.

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