PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | Is Nick Sirianni being set up for success with the Philadelphia Eagles’ new coaching staff?

Episode Date: February 7, 2024

Live from radio row at the Super Bowl in Las Vegas, the conversation turns to Nick Sirianni and the dynamics at play with Vic Fangio and Kellen Moore coming in to run their respective sides of the ball. Can Nick Sirianni manage the egos involved and still hold the respect of the players? Super Bowl-winning head coach Brian Billick shares his opinion and reflects on a few what-ifs with the Eagles from over the years.Then, Bo Wulf and Zach Berman are joined by more guests, including an interview with an important person in show history who will finally set the record straight. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

From Super Bowl Radio Row, we welcome you to the PHLY Eagles podcast presented by Factor Meal kits. Head to FactorMeals.com slash Eagles 50 and use code Eagles 50 to get 50% off. I am Bo Wolf. That is Zach Berman. And we've got to settle in, Zach, because this is a big, big day. On the PHLY Eagles podcast, we've got some guests to come. We've got Brian Billick, who's going to talk about sort of the coaching dynamics at play. in this organization now that the Eagles have imported some guys from the outside.

I think we're going to have a little peek from some other stuff we talked to on Super Bowl Media Night. Darrell Tap, our old friend. We'll see if there are any other special guests along the way. But at the end of the show, Zach, we have, dare I say, the most important guest since you and I have been doing podcasts together. I'm happy to have the people in the chat. Give us your guesses. I have not seen anybody correctly guess who it is yet, but it is a doozy. And we cannot wait to share that with you.

Until then, Zach, how are you? Doing well. Excited for the show. We're three days in here. Looking around, this is really starting to build up. I saw Fletcher Cox, our P-H-L-Y teammate, if you will. I saw him over there. Saw Tori Smith.

Tori Smith. Saw Pook and Akua. I'm like, can I ask you about Britain Covey? Come on and talk about Britain Covey, your childhoods. friend saw cam newton um you know i saw cam hayward there's a number of people there's i know what i would ask cam heyward about what would you ask cam heyward about what was it like getting just absolutely dominated in the playoffs by michael dun he's panicking you in a big stage how did that feel he probably was not prepped for that question yeah uh so yeah so yeah so this is that this is

the day when i think players start to get in the town i know players and play us Speaking of yourself right there, huh? What is that supposed to mean? You're like a big shot here at these parts. I don't think, no, that's not a playa. It's like a womanizer. Oh, no, not. You're a happily married man.

You're goddamn right. I'm not suggesting that. So this is fun. This is fun. You feel the energy. You feel the buzz and excited for the show. How was your evening last night? You know, we did the Philly Special podcast with our old friend, Shilkapadia.

People should listen to that. fun conversation. We then we played a little blackjack before the media party. That was fun, maybe not as for you. But you were very well

self-disciplined. Good job by you. We went to the media party at the F1 setup. Yeah, that was impressive. What did you think of that setup? It was cool. You an F-1 guy?

No. Okay. I'm not like anti-F-1. It's never gotten its tendrils into me. Yeah, it's really catching steam. I've read a lot about this track.

I was interested to see what it was like. What do you say you've read a lot about it? How many different pieces of content have you read about the track? Four or five, I would say. Yeah. Your thirst for knowledge is insatiable. Well, there was a lot of anticipation about how it would do. It was a heavily anticipated opening.

I mean, I don't want to speak out of turn. I'm not sure it got like the... I remember seeing just something about how the track itself was not up to the standards of... It didn't catch on, I think, the way that they wanted. But I'll tell you what, if you're here and you go to that, it's an impressive facility, and you see the sphere. I've read a lot about the sphere. How many articles have you read about the sphere?

I would say a dozen or so about the sphere. Yeah. I mean, the sphere is a big deal. It's changing entertainment. That's actually, that's thematically appropriate. You go 12 around for the sphere. You go like around the whole clock. Well, somewhat like that, yeah.

you disagree that 12 could be a circle on a clock no but a sphere is not a circle well sure that's what I mean okay when I think of a clock I don't think of a sphere but no I see you're a two-dimensional kind of guy I yeah the sphere is

fascinating to see in person I wish we were like catching a show there I read someone say that they saw YouTube I'm sorry YouTube not YouTube this past week and it was it was like mesmerizing. I know LeBron James went to the sphere a few weeks ago.

So, yeah, I'm fascinated by that. But it's really cool to see. They had the Eagles Super Bowl ring up there on the sphere. You know, they were showing the rings of all the Super Bowl winners. So they had the Eagle Super Bowl on there. So it's neat. It's part of the charm of Vegas is, you know, the bright lights, the innovation. There's something for everybody here.

It's awesome. Love Vegas. What is there for the Amish in Vegas? What is there for the Amish in Vegas? I mean, what would the Amish like to do? I imagine, if you think about your Amish friends, how would they spend their day? I don't know. I mean churning butter, but I don't know.

I imagine there's a place to churn butter here. There's a theme for every hotel. Yeah, yeah. You, I'm not as much of a Vegas guy as you. I think that's obvious. But I mean, like, I don't think the hook of Vegas is that there's something for everybody here. I think the hook of Vegas is what you said before, the glitz and the glam, the bright lights, the live it up. I do think there's something for everybody here, right?

I mean, look at if you want to go to Paris and you want to go to New York and you want to go to Excalber, you want to go to the pyramids in Egypt, you want to go to. You are ridiculous. It's cool. I've never been to Paris. I've been to Paris, Paris here. You know what? They're actually the exact same thing. It's got the Eiffel Tower, right?

You don't need to go to Paris. I would like to go to Paris at some point. There's Michael Pennix Jr. over there. Left-handed quarterback, similar to Kellen Moore. Last name, almost penis. There's a lot of graces. How is that not what anybody talks about? It's so close. That's the first thing you think about with Michael Penix Jr.

Yes. The first thing you think about. Yes. It's an interesting name. That's not the first thing I think of. The first thing I think about is the type of quarterback he is, the type of leader he was at Washington, the way he's overcome these injuries now to become an impressive quarterback prospect in the NFL. It doesn't even cross your mind?

I mean, not until you said it, no. Come on. P-E-N-I-X? No, I mean, look, I... What if his last name was Vajy-N-Gy-I-N-E-Gy. I heard Robert Griffin III during... Maybe it was the Heisman celebration, say, like, make sure you say that quickly, or slowly, rather. You know, Michael Pennix.

You don't want to, yeah. So I'm aware that exists. He's a member of the Penn Nine Club in Roman numerals, as opposed to the Penn 15 Club, the Penn Nine. Yes. Yeah. It's thematically, the Super Bowl, Roman Numbers. How do you feel about the Roman numerals? Not a big fan of the Roman numerals.

I mean, look, it doesn't like. It's good for you. This is the most anti-NFL stance you've ever taken. It doesn't, well, there's other anti-Nepil stances I have, but it doesn't bother me the Roman normal rules. It's just it overcomplicates it. And like when they were at the point when, you know, you were at XXII, right? Like 22 or something. Sure. All right.

That's fine. Now when you get past 50, I'm not so crazy about, you know, you start to get the L's. Plus they did. Didn't they? Super Bowl 50, they just did 50. 50, right? So, like, that felt like the gig is up here. Yeah.

My favorite one was Super Bowl XL. I think that was the one in Detroit. Steelers. Steelers versus who? I should know this. But Steelers were in that Super Bowl. Okay. Super Bowl XL.

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Yeah, build upon that. Really like what? Ceaselessly optimistic. Okay. I appreciate that. Unquenchable. both thirst for knowledge. Okay.

You're flattering me here, Bo. These are all characteristics that I enjoy. Very strong, firm handshake when you first meet him. As, yeah, I appreciate that. And he will be interested in you if you talk to him. Yes.

Thank you. I appreciate that. That's nice you to say. Those are all true. Thank you. Joy, yeah, Joy, nods affirmingly. Joy, how are you over there? I'm doing great.

Good. Yeah. Okay, good. Time of my drop in Julia. We got some guesses for the final video, by the way. Oh, has anybody gotten it? One person. One person got it.

Okay, all right. That's interesting. All right, somebody has gotten it. All right. Let's talk a little bit about the Eagles coaching staff. I know that we have talked about this throughout the course of the week, but it's the conversation that we have with Brian Billick. So what is your antenna level for how quickly things could make,

turn with the coaching staff in this like Frankenstein group? I mean, certainly something I'm watching when you bring in a lot of new coaches who don't necessarily have a background together. It is, I don't want to say it's combustible, but you just don't know, right? I'm not in favor of only working with people you know. But for instance, when the PHLY show started, I felt more confidence doing the show with you than if there was like someone who is real talented, but I don't have that background with,

and you've got to kind of create that as you go. So, yeah, I mean, it's something I'm watching. These are all good coaches. I would rather, like, I would rather them hire Kellyn Moore than... Kellynne less. Than, like, Jim Bob Cooter, just because he's worked with Jim Bob Cooter, and he knows he's going to work with Jim Bob Cooter, right?

Speaking of which, there were reports last night that Alex Taney's going to Indianapolis as the quarterback's coach. With potentially a bump. as like passing game coordinator. Nice. Interesting. Now, Alex Taney, of course, has a background with Shane Steichen, so found a good lifeboat, if you will, there. But, yeah, I'm curious to see. I do think, though, that the staff needed an upgrade,

and I think they have a lot of credentialed, like, skilled coaches. Now, how well they work together, how well they work with the personnel, how well they implement the scheme. I'm curious to see that. You know, I'm curious to see how, how, Nick does in if he has the type of hands-off role on the offense that he says. Now I don't think, look, if you're

the head coach, you're still involved. So I don't think it's going to be, you know, like if you ask Nick sometimes about like special teams, he might not have the level of insight that he has on offense. I don't think it's going to be like that. I think he'll still be very privy to the offense. But it's not his scheme, right? It's going to be killing more schemes. So, yeah,

I'm watching it, but I wouldn't say that it's something that I I'm predicting will occur. Okay. And just for the record, what are the open spots in the coaching staff that have not yet been reported or filled? Well, the thing is this. The Eagles don't announce defections or dismissals, right? So we don't know, for instance, if there's going to be a change at wide receivers coach, right?

We don't know if there's going to be a change at, you know, there's still spots to figure out. Now, defensive backs coach, if that's Christian Parker, for instance, then he takes over for for D.K. McDonald. They still need to figure out linebackers coach. Joe Barry's going to Miami. And so there was talks of it potentially being Joe Barry. Mike Caldwell is still out there. Perhaps they hire Mike Caldwell.

You do wonder if Fangio has someone that he wants to bring in, right? I would imagine Jeremiah Washburn could still be back, you know, as the edge rusher coach. And he's had this kind of dual role working in the front office, too, in the past. So there's versatility there. you know, offensive line coach is staying the same. Wide receivers coach will see if they make a change there. Jason Michael at tight ends coach.

We haven't heard anything there. Jamal Singleton at running backs coach. I imagine he's, you know, we haven't heard a change. So really on the offensive side, it's quarterback's coach, which we know. It's going from Alex Danny to Doug Nuxmire. But those are really, unless there are further defections here, it's just it's not something, you know, the Eagles kind of like it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, almost like George Costanza said he was just going to, you know, show up one day and, like,

pretend that he didn't get fired. Sure. Deals kind of do the inverse. They just, like, hope that, like, you just notice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, oh, what happened to this guy? Oh, he left two months ago. We just didn't tell you, right?

So it's... We fixed the glitch, yeah. Yeah, so that's, that, and so we need to see how that part of it shakes out. All right, well, let's talk to Brian Billick, a man who has put staffs together, coached a Super Bowl, and also interviewed with Jeffrey Lurie for the head coach position with the Philadelphia Eagles. We'll talk a little bit about that. Let's talk to Brian Billick right now. All right.

We are here with Super Bowl winning head coach, Brian Billick. Brian, first of all, you have been like making the rounds radio row since early morning. I saw you here early morning. How are you feeling? I'm ready to be done. I'm worn out. I've said about everything I could say. But it's great.

I enjoy it. It's great to feel the energy and to enter up. interact with everybody. It's amazing this setting where everybody's so focused on this great game, got a great matchup, a lot of energy about it. It's going to be a great game, so it's great. And I feel like maybe for you getting through this day, Signal Relief, does that come into in handy? That's the place to go. People need to check this out. I get a lot of people approach me about a lot of things. Signal Relief, this is an amazing product. You know, pro players, college, everybody, you're going to a pro training room. There's hundreds of thousands of

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You put it between the pain and the brain. That allows you then to get that extra work, to work the muscles in the joints, get you back in the game. It's a real deal. I can tell that you've been working through this all day long. It's the real deal. It really is. All right, I'm going to talk to you about some sort of coach dynamics, because the Eagles going through some staff turnover.

It has gone from like Nick Siriani's staff, the guys that he sort of came up with in the business, to now sort of like an arranged marriage, right? You're bringing in Vic Fangio and his crew on defense. You're bringing Kehl and Moore on offense, who he has not worked with. In your history, both as a coordinator and as a head coach, how does that work and what are the complicated dynamics of that

when it is not just sort of your guys in the building? Well, and you go through that change all the time, both on a positive negative way. You get a coordinator that gets a head coaching job, so now you've got to fill in and make that change. Which happened to them last year. It can be very energizing. It can be a fresh start for the team.

It can be very positive. Fick Vangio worked with me in Baltimore. Great coach. He'll do a great job. The key is in the transition is you have to make sure and the players have to understand that this is great and this is what we're going to do, but this is the guy still in charge.

If that dynamic changes at all, if they question that at all, then you got no chance. And so it's very important to Coach Chiriani that at the end of the day, management, the staff, the players understand. This is great. This can make us better, but this is the guy still in charge.

And I think that that is a worry from the outside looking in because there's a question asked to him at the end of the season press conference. If you're not in charge of the offense, you're hiring a defensive coordinator, what would you say you do here, basically? What are, like, as the manager, what are sort of his number one priorities

in terms of making sure that everybody understands? Well, I've always said if I were ever to go back into coaching, I would do a couple things. First, I put together the best staff I could, and I was pretty good at that. Eight of my guys went on to become head coaches. Put in a good structure, which is important. But at the end of the day, everybody's doing the same thing. Number one job, ceaseless every day, push my players toward the direction of the coaches. Now, you've got to make sure the coaches are unified in where they're going, that unified vision,

structure of what you're doing, working together. But it really is as the head coach, and it's a daily process of pushing your players toward the leadership of your coaches. And then how important for a head coach is the job of managing the relationship upwards with the owner? It's an important part of the dynamic. If it's something you really have to manage, you've got a problem. Okay. Because you look at the organizations that are consistently successful, ownership, general manager, head coach, or all on the same page.

Doesn't mean they always agree. Doesn't mean you can't scrimmaging around a little bit, and dog cusses each other a little bit. That's how it works. Sure, that's healthy. But at the end of the day, yeah, it's Philly. How else are you going to operate?

But at the end of the day, it's got to be a shared, unified vision for what it is we want to be and how we're going to do that. And if there's any disconnect that way, then you minds will make the changes now because you've got no chance. Now, let me take it through a couple of what-ifs

from history. Now, 99. The Eagles hire Andy Reid. And the report's at the time. time were that maybe they wanted to talk to you, but you were still there. You were still playing. Do you think, is that one that in your mind is like, oh, if we had lost, could I have to live? And visiting with Mr. Lurie, he had told me about that, and it was that part, which would have been great. It would have been great to work with him and go to Philly. It worked out great.

Obviously, Andy, a phenomenal coach. And now he's here, yeah. Yeah. But you're right. It's amazing how things twist and turn like that. And then 2013, you interviewed with the team. What was that like? Yeah, that was a little bit different. That one was portrayed. a little bit differently than it actually went down. I think they had already decided what they wanted to do, and were looking to me to kind of validate that. Okay. But that's fine.

They end up going with Chip Kelly, and that only turned out a certain way. But, you know, that's life in the NFL. That's how it works. And now, obviously, Howie and Mr. Lurie have to decide that where they're going right now. They've been very successful up to this point. But it is their job now to make sure that they have that relationship,

like they had with Andy, and they've had with Coach Peterson, obviously. And they've got to reestablish that if they want to kind of work their way out of it. So what were those conversations like then if they wanted you to sort of validate what they were looking for? Well, it was that. It was just my perspective on it. And I think they'd already made their mind up, you know, which was fine. I was happy to give whatever input I could. And then they went that direction, and obviously it turned out the way it did.

And then as somebody who has, you know, talked to other coaches around the league, how do you feel like Jeffrey is viewed as an owner? I think he's great on it. I think he's passionate about it, what he's doing. He's going to give you the resources you need. And you've got to just, you know, you got to make sure that you understand what that relationship going is and going in with Howie and Mr. Lurie and how that's going to be because that relationship's going to be sustained. Well, speaking of resources that you need, Signal Relief has you covered. Brian Billick.

Thank you so much. Sounds good. Hello, everybody. A little behind the scenes here. Here's what's happening. So we have that canned interview with Brian Billick from yesterday. That gives us six minutes to scramble and run around ready a row, try to get somebody to come on the set.

And I talked to Tori Smith's handler. He's pretty booked up. He probably doesn't have time, but they love the egos. They're going to try to get them on. But I didn't have my phone with me. She said, take my number down. And then my phone. So I said, tell me the number, and I will just try to remember it.

And I'm just walking across. 202, 701. Don't take the number allowed. Well, that's why I didn't finish it. So I hope this is the number. I don't know. If I got it right, I'm guessing he's not coming on the show. But if he does, what a play I have made.

That is impressive. Look at this Dan Marino's walking by here. Yeah, it's doing a good job trying to get people to come. I've said this. I say this on air yesterday. Do you know what our table number is? 26. So I'm sorry, I said this on air yesterday.

Bo in these interviews, it is a treat. That's not to say Bo is not good all the time, but you're seeing an element of Bo. I wrote this. Let me be light. Yeah. I wrote this on social yesterday that for all these years, we've read the Wolfstead, and it's made listeners laugh out loud on their way to work at their computer. Maybe they're reading in the stall, they're laughing out loud. Now they get to see it.

They get to see it in person or see it on the, on the computer. screen. It's a sight to behold. So that's been a cool thing here at PHY and at the Super Bowl specifically seeing Bo in that role. And you're going to see it in essence later today. All right. Before we move on, it's time to talk about our friends. Our dear friends are day one friends from Game Time. Game time is the fast and easy way to buy tickets for all the sports, music, comedy, and theater near you. And right now, all users get $100 off when they buy.

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not compartmentalize it and just sit and play? No, I have a, I'm going to phrase this. Well, here, we can talk about it after. No, this is a part of it. the conversation. So I have, I'm going to phrase this in a way that you can't make fun of me, a no reach back in policy, okay, meaning that. How would you have phrased it for me to make fun of you?

I thought if I said like a no reach back or something like that, you could, yeah. Reach around. Okay, yeah, something of that nature. So a no reach back in, meaning that whatever my initial deposit is, and that could vary based, you know, whatever, if you have cash, if you have to go to the ATM. Anyways, I'm not chasing my losses. So that's the most that I'm willing to lose. For that night.

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By the way, we didn't spend enough time talking about. about the fact that the Demon Deacons just absolutely wiped the floor with the Syracuse Orange on Saturday night. Yeah. Did it again to Georgia Tech last night. Let's go Deeks up to 25 and Ken Pop. Credit to Steve Forbes is a great coach. Credit to him. Need to bump the resume up a little bit.

Still on the bubble right now outside looking. I need a couple more wins. Did you see Damien Stademeyer's opening remarks again? Got our Bucke's hand to us. So you did see that. Good for you. I like that. Yeah, I followed one team.

Okay. So anyways, it's actually not that funny of the story, but Syracuse had a kicker named Patrick Shadle. This is probably the only show here on radio talking about Patrick Shadle. Pat, if you're watching, shout out to you. Anyways. Patrick Shaddle.com over there.

Patrick Shadle was from Morgantown, West Virginia, and was the same class as Pat McAfee, who grew up like the Pittsburgh area. West Virginia took McAfee. Shadle came to Syracuse. They were in the same conference. at the time. They were both in the Big East, and there was like this, I don't want to say it was like

rivalry per se, but like, you know, Shadle was really good. Pat Kickers hated each other. I did a big feature on Shadle and one of the things was like, you know, juxtaposing or comparing rather, Shadle to McAfee. So before Pat McAfee was the Coltsponder and this media sensation, like, I've known him as like the West Virginia kicker who was at West Virginia seemingly over Patrick Shaddle.

Shocking amount of Pat Shaddle talk from Radio Row. How do you spell Shadle? S-H-A-D-L-E. Good guy. I like writing a story about him. Pat Shadle. If this is the same guy, he's a settlement coordinator now for Sun Life Financial. Shout out to Pat Shaddle.

And he was real helpful with that story. Pat Shaddle better than Shat Patel. Yeah, yeah. I suppose so. Zach, you dropped a story on all-P-H-L-Y. com this morning. Tell us about it. Yeah, so, you know, I do better writing in the mornings, was up writing that story this morning.

I teased it yesterday, spoke to J. Vaughn Hargrave the other night about this past year, about this week. You know, it's interesting. I was talking about what's different this week compared to last year this time. And he frankly said that, like last year, he had no idea what to expect. And this was all, whether it was the hoopla, whether it was like the lead up to the game. It was all new to him, right? And this year, he, like, he knows exactly what to expect. He made the joke that, you know, my hometown paper is not writing any stories about me being here anymore, right?

This is kind of like the standard, if you will. But you are, baby. But he said, and I was like, how else are you preparing for it? He's like, he's like, well, or how else is your preparation different? I'm staying in my room. Not to say he wasn't staying in his room last year, but he's basically staying in his room when he's not doing practice. this are media stuff and then he's like I got you know my my extra cleats ready you know that's a reference to the turf last year and I was like but the turf's not going to be as bad as last year he's

you never know that's why I'm getting them broken in now so he's going to have that second pair of cleats ready so the I know the Eagles like skeptic can say that he's already getting his um the 49ers already getting their excuses ready right the the field condition wasn't ideal the other day. But no, it was good talking to Jayvon. A big adjustment he's making is to the even front. You know, he was a different type of front when he was under Jonathan Gannon. It was more like a hybrid odd front, but he played a lot of nose if you remember under Gannon. So that's been adjustment. I spoke to Daryl. A good euphemism for picking your nose. Playing a lot of nose. Playing a lot of nose, yeah. He spoke to Daryl Tap about it.

He's really focusing on his zero technique. We spoke about his comments about the Eagles, like we spoke about on yesterday's show, spoke about kind of how he's been a late bloomer throughout his career. You think about it. He didn't make the Pro Bowl until year 6. He didn't have double-digit sacks until year 7. It's rare that a guy's third contract is like higher than their second contract. But it's kind of been how he's – there's Cam Newton right there.

Cam Newton, who, by the way, he's a J. Von Hargrave Sack when the Eagles played the Panthers a few years ago. Wow. Actually, is Cam Newton already in? I think Cam Newton was in New England at the time, so I take that back. But, yeah, Jayvon. Yeah, that was Sam Darnold. Yeah, yeah.

Jayvon was discussing these different parts of his game and how he's kind of grown. And we even talked about how he passed that Bojangles during that 0 and 11 season, and now he's doing a lot of winning. And I said, so what's your celebration meal if you win? And that's kind of like the kicker of the story here. And that he's going to have the fried chicken, the mac and cheese, and the cornbread, waiting for him when he gets home. And he's going to indulge.

And who's his position coach, Zach? Well, Daryl Taps, the assistant position coach. Well, we talk to the assistant position coach. Daryl Tapp, our old friend from his time with the Eagles. We talked to him on Media Night. Let's hear from Darrell Tap now as we put off the headsets and try to run to see if Tori Smith can come over. What are your favorite memories from your time from Philly? I don't have no time for that, man.

Nothing. No, it was tons of memories. Honestly, have an opportunity to be around Andy, who was an awesome coach. And I'm always in debt to the coaches to give me an opportunity to play. he brought me in in the, not the Rone of you, but in the CBA lockout. I was one of the few players that actually got traded and actually got paid some money during that time. Got to be around a bunch of awesome coaches. My guy, Coach Washburn, still keeping touch with his day.

Coach Bulls, Mike Caldwell, just a lot of good memories and a lot of good leadership. And then that's the teammates that was around. And I still keep in touch with Fletcher and Brandon Graham and all those guys. So just a lot of good memories. Dom DeS Andro, I talk to him every year on his birthday and just interacting, like, lifelong relationships. We did a lot of good things there, learning a lot of lessons, and I love Philly. Okay. Three things there.

Fletcher and Vigi, what's it been like watching their careers? Awesome. It's surreal because I play with those guys and their puppies and got drafted, and they're still going. Yeah. And not just there, like, they're making a difference. So that part's exciting. The best friend of the defense is, sir. Yeah, by far.

So that part's really good. Can you still, like, close your eyes and imagine BG's laugh? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Well, that's out tap tap. No, he, him and his wife, also amazing, seeing the little ones grow up. Yeah. It's been cool. Okay.

The Andy thing. Yep. I mean, kind of interesting for you to be playing against him in this game. Surreal. Yeah. Ironic. All of the above. I'm excited to go against him.

to see a coach that gave you opportunity to play, and then to go out and try your heart to beat him, it's poetry in motion. Right. Yeah. And then the last one, you mentioned Dom. You're one of, like, three guys who can answer the hypothetical question.

What would have happened if Dom and Dre Greenlaw actually got into it? Who would have won the fight? That'd have been a fight to the death right there. The Greenlaw had the utmost respect for him. I'd also know what Dom was about, too. That was just a bad moment. Dom is not that guy.

And Greenlaw is not that guy either, but you got two realms in the heated situation. It got kind of tense. Well, great memories being around Dom. Like I said, the Green Law, I'm happy he's on my team. Thank you so much, Cheryl. Yes, sir. Good luck on Sunday.

All right, here's the good news. We want the good news or the bad news? Or do you want the mediocreness? I want the bad news first. Bad news is I got the number one digit wrong. I had a 77.55 in my mind. It was 72.55. You just gave way to the letter from? No, I didn't.

That's the bad news. The next piece of news is I went to go find Tori Smith, and I thought, like, oh, wow, this is Vegas. He pulled a Chris Angel on me. He just vanished. Then I found him. The bad news is... I bet. I bet he's excited to see you. No, no, I didn't talk to...

He was doing another show at the moment. I talked to the person who was in charge of shepherding him around. And if we're going to get Tori Smith, it's going to be after the show, probably. But that might mean we get him tomorrow. Or Friday? We also might... No, he's flying out. Yeah, but I'm saying...

Oh, yeah. If we get him, it will not be on today's show. Okay. That's okay. he's not the most important guest we're going to get today. We have somebody better. No, you know, who's coming. The one that's coming, the guest.

Oh, okay, okay, I thought. The guest. I thought you landed somebody else here. No, I got nothing. I only, I mean, that Daryl Tappen interview was only two and a half minutes. How much can I get done in two and a half minutes? What's your few on handlers? I don't know.

They're doing their job. Yeah, no, I respect that they do their job. I'm saying, like, if I'm a player, if I can, speak for myself. I can turn people down on my own. I can accept things on my own. Yeah, but they're not going to... The players are not going to set up their full day's media schedule and reach out to the...

But I think a lot of times, like, the players use that to use the handler, if you will. Yeah, because they don't want to talk to us. To deflect. You know what I'm saying? I'm not... I mean, I'm not at the Bow Wolf level yet. Like, if I'm ever in a position of power,

okay, I always want to answer my own phone. I never want, like, the person who, yeah, call this person to talk to me. No, if you want to talk to me, you can get a hold of me directly. I'm a little backlogged. I'm responding to emails, though, unfortunately. What's your, now, I do know that you are a bit judgy about certain people of levels of fame, having handlers. You're thinking to yourself, oh, that guy's got a handler?

No, all right, let me take that back. It's not that. I don't have an issue. I don't have an issue with handlers. I have an issue. I should even say an issue. I should say an objection with, like, members of the media, okay? Because, like, if you were an athlete, a coach, or something like that, by all means,

that's literally what the, that's what the person's there for, right? Yes. You're a member of the media. Like, this is your whole job. It's why I agree to every interview that, like, I, you know, when these people are reaching out, you will, by nature, you're relying on people helping you out. or four, you should just help out other people, right? Like, that's how I see it.

Like, I, I've, I can see that. So, yeah, if, if I'm walking by and someone's like, you know, do you have time to come on, yeah, unless I have a show, if I can't, then otherwise, are you free in an hour? Are you free in 90 minutes? But that kind of thing. Yeah, so when there's like a reporter who's like, oh, you got to talk to this person to talk to me. I'm like, no, I'm talking to you, right?

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I'm not working for that, man. I mean, everybody's got a price, but he better... Okay. He better be prepared to pony up. So Roger Goodell is no longer the commissioner Condoleezza Rice takes over. And she appoints you as the... You think I want to work for Condoleezza Rice? Okay.

All right. Who would you like to work for? Let's, so I can get to the question. Which commissioner is acceptable on your eyes? Okay, there you go. Vince Pelgrini is the commissioner of the NFL. And he appoints you as czar of the Super Bowl. Okay?

And he says, look, we have the most popular event in the world. But I don't want to do things just because it's the way it's always been done. Let's workshop this. Let's give me three ways to improve. the Super Bowl festivities to whether it's location, whether it's like the week of, whether it's when the game's played, whether it's how the game's played, whether it's where, you know, all this stuff. What would you do?

My first pitch, two words, all nude. Okay. Shout out to the old ESPN magazine commercial. Yes. Okay. Tastfully done. Yes, okay. Classy, but definitely all nude.

Number two, move the game to Saturday. You're a Saturday guy. Okay, I've seen that argument recently. Yeah, I like that argument. Okay. Because you just figure everyone's going to be watching it. Like traditional Sunday nights the night when you want something on TV because people are home on Sunday nights.

That's why all the awards are going to watch the Super Bowl anyway, and then they don't have to go to work or school the next day. Okay. Number three? I don't know. I don't know that I feel like the Super Bowl is broken. I would say let Bow Wolf and Zach Berman maybe with Shield Capadia called the game.

Okay, that'd be fun. You're a great play by play guy. We did that preseason game against the Browns. That's right. One of the best. Okay, all right. I feel like you have things in mind, so you tell me what you would do in this.

I'm always thinking. I'm always thinking, like, how can you make something better? I mean, as far as the time of the date of the game, I hear that Saturday idea. I like the idea that I gave on like three of this show better, which is. Played in Doha? No, add the extra buy.

to the NFL schedule, pushes the season back, and then the Super Bowl was on the Sunday night before President's Day. That's right, of course. The big President's Day hook that everybody remembers. Look, there's some people who are off on President's Day. Schools are often off on President's Day. I like that idea. It's like a patriotic thing. You know it every year, the Sunday before President's Day, is a great day for that game, okay?

Number one. Number two, location-wise. I think I understand the NFL has a bid, and sometimes it entices cities to build stadiums. I would like to get a general rotation, right? Let's get 10 cities or five cities. You know, let's have New Orleans. I mean, it's already basically 10 cities. Miami, Vegas. Doha.

They've talked about London. I don't think we're going to have a London game there, okay? But then let's just get a steady rotation here. So you always know, oh, next year is in such and such, right? And there's not this bidding process. It's just a, it's just your rotation. Or maybe you have a permanent cipher. I don't know.

Why is that better? Or maybe you have a permanent cipher. Maybe it's always in Vegas. Or... So this whole thing has just been a back-end conversation for you to talk about you want to get to come to Vegas on Company Dime once a year. It's not a matter of Company Dime. It's just Vegas is a destination.

There's hotel rooms. There's things that do. The weather this week is not particularly good, but typically you have decent weather. It's a beautiful facility to have the stadium. Vegas was built for people to come and visit. Why should they get the bump every year? That doesn't seem fair. New Orleans is a good city.

All right. I'm still workshopping this idea. Okay. Why not just played in Bryn Marnar? Then the third thing here is, so remember the famous Alshon Jeffrey, clip of him like sort of no selling the interview yeah and basically like if we had our choice like we we wouldn't have to be here until yeah yeah now I love like the hoopla surrounding and as a member of the media I love the fact that they're here all week and you have all this all this media

attention or whatnot but I am not I'm like not opposed to the to the idea of like the teams coming out on Thursday you do that one big media night you see still you practice in your facility? Yeah, but they don't want to do the media night that close to the game. But you've already, like the hay is almost in the barn at that point, right? You've practiced that week at your facility. I don't know, I'm just workshopping that. It could be wrong.

Yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Okay. But I don't know. Okay. I mean, the rule I would change is that everybody who comes to Radio Row with the handler has to come on this show first. I would love that. My second one is how would you make Vegas better? What would your Vegas change?

just be. Joy is, you see, Joya liked that question. So you can't poo-poo the question. A giant sinkhole. Joy already gave it these. Wow. Oh, you were that anti-Vegas. It looked to me like you've been having fun.

I'm not, I'm not that anti-Vagas. I just, I don't, I'm not like, like, smitten with the idea of Vegas. You seem to be having a good time. You're having a good time this week. Well, you find what you look for, right? Absolutely. I always said the Super Bowl could be in, for my purposes. It could be in Des Moines.

Because. Des Moines continues to take straight. The poor people of Des Moines. I'm here to work, right? So, like, yeah, I mean, I don't really galvan around town that often when I'm covering the Super Bowl. But, yeah, I mean, you're trying to think how Vegas can be improved. I would like there to be more accessibility to off-strip restaurants, right? Okay.

I'd like it to be a little bit less smoky. Yeah, I'm with you there. I mean, I would say that, like, the best 90 seconds of my... my day, every day so far, is when you go through security and you get fresh air. Okay. It's the only time all day when you get fresh air. Yeah, I mean, well, that is a shout-out to the Philly Special show that we were on yesterday. You and Shield were like cracking up, almost like deridingly so in me, that in hotel rooms,

I care a lot about the smell. And you thought that was so funny. Well, it was so funny. It wasn't so funny that you care about smell. It's just so funny that you, like, how many hotel rooms have you stayed in that just outright stank? Well, it's the alternative. It's the good smelling ones that resonate with you. You know the smell when you walk into a place and it smells like a hotel lobby that has, you know, that they're pumping that aroma through the HVA, you know, the HVAC system?

It is such, it's like, I mean, you're going to make fun of me for this term. It's almost like a hotel aphrodisiac, right? Like, you, you like the hotel. Julius. You like the hotel because of that smell. And there's certain, you know, there's certain distinguishable smells by, like, like, for instance, Weston's sells their scent, you know. There's, there's different. Hotel aphrodisiac.

You're in the right place, mister. Hey, I'm looking for a lady of the night over here. Who's that over there? Is that Roberts? I don't think it's Robert's. I'm trying to think. No, that's just a bald man. Oh, he's being videotaped.

He's not the one being videotaped. He's not the one being videotaped. It's Baker Mayfield, I think. Oh, okay. I thought the guy behind him. Okay. So there's Baker. Baker who beat the Eagles in the postseason game.

We can get him on talk about. Yeah, you could ask him about his aphrodisiacs. What kids are you going, Baker? Oysters. Salviant Blanc. That's an aphrodisiac, right? Maybe in the Berman household. Is that a, well, no, what's the chat?

I don't have my computer up because when I was actually, when I was watching the show back, I realized when my screen was up, it was kind of blocking me on here. So I wanted up to my screen down. Well, you can't be blocking you. Yeah, I mean, that's why I were on video here. No word yet from the chat on whether Sopinian Blanc is a known Ferdesiac. Yeah, I believe it is. I believe it.

Is that right, Julia? Is that accurate? Is what accurate? That Sambian Blanc is an aphrodisiac? I wouldn't consider that. I mean, I guess you could say all wine is, right? I don't know. Okay.

All right. Well, Julie, I'm glad that you chimed in here because it's time now to get everybody ready for the big interview. The one that has been building and building and building since Zach Berman first appeared on Birds with Friends. I'm going to take you back to 2019 when you first joined the show.

But we're going back further than that. We're going back to when Zach and Julia were classmates in high school we are going all the way back to April 15th in the year of our Lord

2003. And it is finally time to go on the record about what happened that day. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the P-H-L-Y Eagles podcast, Mr. Matt Ryan. I need to bring it back quite a ways. My partner here has been talking for a long time about the Germantown Academy over Penn Charter baseball game from your senior year. I want to know how long that's been sticking with you.

I got over it pretty quick, you know. You know, it's all right. We had some battles, though, Germantown Academy, Penn Charter. They had in football, the oldest consecutive high school football rivalry in the country, PCGA Day, which was always fun to play in, which we came out on the right side of my last year, which was always a big deal. Baseball, we were still pretty good, though, in baseball. So I had forgotten about that one.

I've got to be honest with it. I mean, I imagine you had a hose. How fast were you throwing? I didn't throw that hard, to be honest. I wasn't really a pitcher, but we had a couple of guys get hurt my senior year. Like I was our closer, my sophomore and junior year. So I played shortstop, and then I would close, close these games out. And then we had some other guys get hurt.

And so I started pitching every other game. And my technique was probably not that great. It was kind of just like a location guy, you know, trying to be a little Greg Maddoxie, right? You found the box score. You threw like 112 pitches. You got a big career ahead of you. This was different times. The pitch count wasn't a thing back in 2003.

Rick Miller was our baseball coach. Rick wasn't worried about the pitch count. I was going out there. I actually remember throwing a Piscopal one time, a different school in our league. And my dad never said anything. My dad wasn't like a, you know, he wasn't talking to the coaches or anything like this.

But I think I threw like 135 pitches or 140. And I was leaving to go to BC in like three weeks. My dad was like, hey, man, I think we might need to reconsider throwing all these pitches, like, you're going to hurt yourself. But I was a workhorse if nothing else. Does he look like somebody might have struck out? I didn't get hit in that game. I don't know, man.

He looks like he could put the bat on the ball. He'd be just fine. I struck out the following year, I think. Is that right? Yeah, I played against you both. I graduated, 0.4. I played against you, 03. Okay.

Nice. And you said you watched him play all three sports? Every score. I watched him play everything. My brother played against him in basketball. Nice. Very nice. Yeah.

The basketball league was legit. Okay. I mean, we had a stretch of like, I don't know, seven, eight years where it was a lot of NBA players playing in this little interact. And I was not one of them. I was just out there grabbing rebounds, fire, and threes. But we had a pretty good basketball team. It was fun. We got beat up by GA early in my career.

They had Matt Walsh and Ted Scooches, Lee Melchione. They were pretty damn. I'm good. Really good. Thank you very much. Thank you for him. You got it. I can't believe I compliment at GA.

Zach, how was that for you? What a moment. Yeah, so, excuse me, it was, look, I appreciate Matt being a good sport about it. A few things there. Number one, Bo did an awesome job on the interview. I was, I don't like to call attention to myself in those settings, right? And there was a lot of people around, obviously. so, you know, I definitely didn't want to make it like the back and forth.

I think I've concluded that as I've looked back, I think I'm conflating the next year's game. I struck out against his team. He pitched at our, you know, at a home game for us. I struck out at a home game for us against his school. I think it was the next year. Everything he said there is accurate. He was awesome player in every sport, right? It's actually for all the kids watching, you're supposed to say that, like playing not special.

playing three sports is a good thing he was like that he was he was a really good athlete um we did beat him in baseball twice that year um he won in football that year big game tony mcdevitt had a lot of had a huge game rushing uh shout out to tony mcdevitt if he's listening and basketball that year ga was better than the or actually oh three O3, his team was better. I think O2 was the other way around. But in any event, yeah, that was a great interview by you. He was a good sport about it.

He and I chatted afterwards about J.O. and Hurts, not about that game. Well, shout out to Ted Sillery. I think it's Salary. Ted Sillery, rather, who has all of this information. And in just in one sentence, he paints the story of this game. And who are like the two people? I know, who you always talk about from high school, who I'm always hearing about what they think of the show.

Sean Greve, parentheses, five innings. Now, Germantown Academy beats Penn Charter five to three. Sean Greve, five innings outduled Matt Ryan, 121 pitches. And Pete Vernon earned the save by inducing a bases-loaded double-play grounder to end it. What a big moment that was for Pete. Yeah, actually.

Base is loaded. And you know who was batting? Two base hits going to tie the game. And I can tell you this, okay? Sorry, Matt. Sorry, Matt. Look, Matt Ryan, I will be the first one in line telling you about the career that Matt Ryan has had. He's had an awesome career.

Then I went back and looked. Pete and Matt both on the third team, all-filly team that year. So, but that double play, do you know who was that bat? Was it Matt Ryan? Matt Ryan, he grounded into double play. Yeah, good job by Pete. Great lefty. Best pick-off move you will.

Ever see, ever. Now, did Matt Ryan hit righty or lefty? My guess is righty. I forget that. You think Pete will remember that pitch? You think he'll remember what he threw? Should I text him now and ask him? Yeah.

Okay. Fastball alone and outside gets him to roll over. It gets a changeup to roll over. What do we think? I'm texting him now. Is it the 6-4-3? He probably hit it hard if he's going to turn two. We're talking about this on the pod.

We're live. What pitch did you throw to induce a double play? Game ender. Against Matt Ryan, junior year. Excuse me. We'll see if he gets back in time. He's working right now, so. Matt's throwing a lot of pitches.

And, you know, as someone who once led the county innings pitched, I think I can meet him on that level. I mean, but it is wild. think this guy's going to be like, you know, the number one pick in the draft. He's going to play college football, and he's throwing, like, 140 pitches. So his dad's right, like, leave my son alone. So you know what's crazy is he was an awesome, like, awesome football quarterback, but his team didn't pass the ball at all.

And they had this great running back, Tony McDevitt, like I said, who went on to play lacrosse at Duke. And they had Sean Singletary at wide receiver. And Sean Singletary went on to play basketball. Virginia and in the NBA and was a it's like if if this was in 2023 you'd be like why don't you drop back this this this six five quarterback who's got this great arm real cerebral as well throw at the Sean Singletary who has this like decided mismatch on the edge every time but they handed off they were really good that way so when when Matt Ryan went to Boston college

it wasn't as if you know he was this this like no doubt future top pick. But he had such a good career at B.C. He had that great final year. Was the number, what, three pick by the Falcons, makes the playoffs. His first year was an MVP at the league in the Super Bowl. And I actually spoke to Matt yesterday about those years after the Super Bowl, kind of the situation that the Eagles are in now trying to come back from it. But yeah. My regret, my only regret about that interview is I didn't ask Matt if he remembered any players on the other team. I would have liked for him to give the show Grieve, Pete Vernon, shout-out.

My only regret is... But he says he doesn't remember. I mean, if he grounded out to a double play to end the game, I would think that that one would stick with him. Yeah, my... So, when you asked how you think I would do, I was going to say, or if I'm hard to strike out, I would say small strike zone, right?

Yeah, of course. We all know that that's the joke that's coming. But I didn't want to call any attention to myself in that situation. But great job by you. We've finally gone up. Yeah. He was not prep for that one. He was not expecting that.

No. And you know what? Who's our next white whale? Ooh. Well, let's workshop this. Christian Ellis. Coyote. Coyote.

Let's see here. Chip. Chip. What did you think of Chip interviewing? Benny Solac with the breaking news? Yeah, good job. I saw him last night. I told him.

Yeah, I think that, look, it's clear chips looking for, I don't say a route out, but college football has changed. He's kind of in a year now where he needs to win. It certainly would make sense for him to look for an O.C. job in the NFL, especially with a first-year coach like Mike McDonald. I'm curious to see if he does get hired there. Okay. We finally got him.

This is big. Yeah. So, you know what's funny is like, What's going to be the reaction from your text group? Oh, they're going to love this. Go ahead. You say what's funny. So, like, on one hand in my head, I'm like, you know what?

This wasn't our best show. We need to do better tomorrow. On the other hand, you had awesome interviews with Brian Billick, Daryl Tap, Matt Ryan. The three most important people. You know, former MVP on here. Daryl Tap on MVP. Brian Billick was a Super Bowl-winning coach. Yeah, we had to.

Yeah. Ooh, good point in the chat. If we could get D'MICO on to talk about, you know, fashion tips. You know what? If D'Miko was coming through here, I bet we'd be able to get him. Okay. Yeah. I don't know if he's coming through here.

I don't see him anywhere. All right. That'll do it for this historic episode of the P.H.O.Y. Eagles podcast presented by Factor Meal Kits. We thank everybody for listening and watching, especially those of you who were here. here live with us. That'll do it. We are going to be back tomorrow again at noon. Hopefully some guests.

We're going to spend the rest of the day here trying to pick off some people off to the side, get them in the can for tomorrow, and maybe we'll make some magic during the show tomorrow. Tori Smith, who knows? Christian Ellis, who knows? Jeffrey Lurie, who knows? All right. Howie. Who knows?

Pete Vernon. Pete will come on. I think Joya can land this Pete. I mean, Pete's not responding to this text message. He's working right now. Well, you know, you have your priorities together, Pete. That'll do it for this episode of the P.HL. Eagles podcast.

Thanks to everybody here at AllCity. We will talk to you tomorrow. And as always, we love you.