PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | Jalen Hurts and the Philadelphia Eagles report for Training Camp: What matters this week?

Episode Date: July 23, 2024

It’s report day for Jalen Hurts and the Philadelphia Eagles (but not for Haason Reddick with the New York Jets lmao). As a roster with Super Bowl aspirations gets to work with a new pair of coordinators and a reworked secondary, what are the things that will matter most over the first week of camp or so? Does it still all come down to how the quarterback plays?Zach Berman and Bo Wulf are here to get you primed for the best month of the football season, when everything is still possible. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody and welcome the PHY Eagles podcast on a Tuesday, Hi to Bo Wolf, Zach Berman. It's report day. Zach, how you feeling? I'm feeling great. I'm doing well. I'm excited for the show, excited for the next six, maybe seven months, excited for what's thereafter. But I will say to the audience, you know, when we started this job,

one of the things I said is we have five shows a week year round. So what's the offseason going to be like? And we brainstormed. And I remember once OTAs, or I'm sorry, once mini camp ended, we sat down and we mapped out six plus weeks of shows. What this show is going to be like, what that show is going to be like. We did the same thing during draft. We did the same thing during free agency. And you know what?

The non-playing season. The NPO is complete. Tomorrow begins football for us. Storylines, they go in to the deck. You shuffle the deck. Um, you get going to the pot, whatever analogy you want to use. But I am excited for training camp to begin. So am I.

And we will get to see them on the practice field tomorrow. We'll get that clickety clack that we've been looking forward to. This is also bow time. Like you are, as I've long said. Oh, here we go. And as a student observer. Training camp observer. Yeah, you're, you've said, you, you love training camp.

Of course. I love training camp. This is when we get to see. more than we get to see all season long. We get to make, you know, reads with our own eyes. It's also the time when I think we are of best service to the audience because we see things

that they do not see. It's not like we're talking about a game that we all watched on TV. You know, going into the locker room and watching Training Camp, where we're like, that's when you can take people to a place that they are not able to go to, right? So, yeah, I mean, I take training camp seriously.

You got to watch as much as it can. Well said. Agree with you there. And this is the other time, too, not to say that the organization or teams or organizations or teams mislead or lie. But this is a time when like we see the same thing they'd see. Now I know they're watching film, right, after practice. And there's a lot that goes on that they obviously have more context and more understanding. But ostensibly, they can't, you know, what's the expression?

They can't pee on us to say it's raining. Is that the expression? Is it? I didn't screw that up, right? Well, you can use different. Okay. Yeah. synonyms for P, but whatever you want.

Whatever you want to say. So basically, if there's a player who looks horrible out there, they can't say this guy looks great. Like we can say it. Well, you know what I mean. And there are times too. Well, you get the, you get the, oh, read Blankenships having a good first week. And then it's like, oh, no, nobody talk about reflection.

And then it's like, well, now it's become inevitable. He's going to make the team. But also, I think back to 2022, Jalen looked really good that summer. And you said, all right, this, this, this. type's real. You think back to 2020, Carson did not look good that summer. And it's like, maybe there's reason for concern here, right? So this is all away. Now, you can't be misled at the end of training camp last year. I was like, DeAndre Swift, they're going to throw a ball to him all the time, right? But this is the time of year when, yeah, things aren't happening

behind closed doors, where we are permitted to be at every single practice from now through the second preseason game. Yeah, I'm very much looking forward to it. All of these theoretical things that we've been talking about over the course of the past couple months. We're going to get to see it in action over the next month or so. And so on this show, Zach, we're going to talk a little bit about the things that are going to be the most important for us to learn just in the magnifying glass of the next week. Like what actually matters in the first week of training camp. So we're going to talk a little bit about that. We've got the quarterback position to talk about to wrap things up as our training camp preview and then a little bit of news to get to. So let's start

with if you want to go start. cold newsman on me. What's going on with the ex eagle who has not gone to Jets training camp? Hassan Reddick is holding out from New York Jets training camp. Would you ever consider a holdout? Would I consider a holdout? Like you sit on the show but you don't say a word. You know what? I don't think I have the same leverage. I like the thing I'm good at my job. We got all of a sudden like Philadelphia websites taking pictures of you in Camona. all over the city. I think my mom.

I wouldn't wear a kimono. I can't pull that off. Nothing to do with what's what latent masculinity or something or toxic masculinity, whatever you say. No, I mean, honestly, you know, I think Hassan Reddy can hold out because he is, he's an elite pass rusher. And he wants to be paid like an elite pass rusher. Now, this is the mystifying thing, is that New York Jets made this trade knowing Hassan Reddick wanted more money.

Now I see these reports out of Florin Park, but, you know, the Jets reporters, they're doing their job, and they're saying Jets sources say they offered him a new deal before the trade, right, to kind of rework his contract, but to get the contract that he wants, he has to report and, like, earn it. This is my issue with that is that the Eagles operated under the same role. Like, the Eagles understood this. The Eagles traded him, and I'm not saying the Eagles made the right decision by trading him, because you can make an argument, Hassan Rex worth $28 million or $29 million. But the reason Eagles moved on from him was because they knew this was going to happen.

They knew Hassan Reddick was not going to play under his current deal or even like a slightly revised deal, right? I mean, they recognized this was going to be an issue. So unless the Jets were either operating under the assumption that Hassan Reddick wanted out of Philly and would just play under a slightly revised deal and maybe they got information or that like his gripe was with the Eagles. not the contract. I don't know why you make a trade without having firm resolution on this. It doesn't make any sense. It's kind of like day one GM stuff, right? Like why you wouldn't make this trade unless this thing was rectified. Like it's very bizarre. Very bizarre. And it's and it's, it doesn't really change the way that I feel about the deal from the Eagles perspective as

and I think, you know, handsome rich tweeted this. It's it's not like oh, all of a sudden how he got one over on him. It's more just like what are they what is Joe Douglas doing? exactly very weird and yeah i agree i don't think this is like a howley masterclass i think howie correctly projected what was going to happen with redick i don't he may he now if how he goes a press conference tomorrow before a training camp which he usually does he may begin it with calling out who was it who was it uh yeah i was a day of it was dave you were i'm just gonna start his pointing fingers out why i like to trade now dave no it's a fair like the eagles didn't get better by trading Hassan Reddick. Now,

what Howie's point was, and I understand it, is that you can't evaluate that trade in a vacuum. It's, you have to look at what the contract would have been for Reddick, the difference in salary between what they saved and with cash and cap by trading Reddick, how

they reallocated that money. The direct pick compensation wasn't what I thought it should have been, given the talent, but this is partly why, because it was trade and then resign. Yeah, and so what the Eagles did was they signed Bryce Huff to 17 plus million. Then they reallocated that money.

They gave Devante Smith the contract extension. They gave Jordan Mila out. It's not like a one for one thing, but this is all part of it. And then they had, they get draft inventory in 2026. From the Eagles perspective, though, because I do see there's a lot. There's Eagles fans doing like Victory Labs for Howie. Their pass rush is not better from my estimation right now with Hassan Redick than it would have been, you know, with Bryce Huff, then it would have been with this on Reddit.

So you're really putting a lot of faith in Bryce Huff getting better or in Bryce Huff emerging with more opportunity and Nolan Smith getting better. Otherwise, you could say like, yeah, you did all this. Give me the guy who has four straight double-digit sack seasons and is the best pass rusher they've had in, you know, a decade plus. Yeah, probably so. Speaking of the other New York or New Jersey football team, Zach, the Sequin Barkley interview on the Marissa Morris podcast, the Marissa Dunn podcast. What were your takeaways from the interview with Diana Rossini and Seiquot? Yeah, I thought Sequan was honest about the departure with the Giants. And I thought he put it well. And it's similar to what our takeaway was when we were discussing Hard Knocks last week is that it didn't seem like the Giants wanted him back. And it seemed like the Giants were surprised that he was getting paid. what he got paid right uh as sayquan said it seemed like the giants wanted him to sign for for nine million and then sayquan hit free agency and it kind of what happened was what he had

hoped and expected to happen is that teams were actually interested in him and like the but if the giants wanted him back the giants would have wanted him back it's like if you if you get an offer from a different employer and like the employer's offering x and your place is offering why it's like well that place values you more than your current place right and that's that's kind of what it was here with the giants and the eagles like the eagles valued saquan barkley more than the giants did i imagine the texans and the bears a similar thing they valued him more than what the giants did um the giants and look that's that's the giant's prerogative but the giants can act like sayquan left them if if yeah so ridiculous i thought i thought i thought saiquan was honest number one

And I thought that also Hard Knocks is like fact check this. We've seen it play out in real time. I didn't find like, you know, there's not much he can really say about the Eagles right now. He was honest. Like there's so much unknown about this, how this offense is going to look. I liked his anecdote about Nick Siriani that like when Siriani was on the other side. He couldn't stand the guy. And then like he gets to meet him.

He's like, oh, this is all real. Like this energy, this enthusiasm. So yeah, look, I thought he came off pretty likable on there. I've always found SACON in public comments to be likable. He said... And even, like, self-reflective, like, regretting the way that he initially ceded out the message saying that he thought that he was maybe a little bit immature about that. I think that was a good perspective, yeah.

The Eagles have their media guide out today. I might ask you about this. Congratulations. And this is one of your favorite days of the year. Yeah, John Gnode from the Eagles PR department does an outstanding job. The whole Eagles PR staff, you know, it's... And you find good tidbits anyways in the Saekwan. bio when he talks about what he would do if he wasn't playing football, he said he would be a television host talking about sports and, um, and like in life.

So I bring that up as a way of saying, I think he, he knows how to be charming on camera, but, um, yeah, he comes up. He comes up to her. I would love that. Saquant, if you're watching, which I imagine you are, I don't know, but, um, you have an open invitation. You can, I would love to actually someone sat right here between us, um, but you can sit in this seat, Seyquan. Yeah, I don't want to monopolize the conversation. What were your big takeaways from it? No, I think you hit it well.

That was good perspective and good conversation. On the topic of the... And well produced. And very well produced. On the topic of the media guide, Zach, I want to ask you a very important question. Yes. Any changes to Jeffrey Lurie's bio you have talked in the past about the addition or subtraction of favorite movies or favorite restaurants in the city? Yeah.

So the backstory for some of our new listeners and viewers is that they snuck in. in like four new restaurants last year. And I messaged somebody in the organization about this. And I think they thought it was pretty creepy that I had memorized Jeffrey Lord's favorite restaurants. But yeah, they snuck in four new restaurants last year. Because it's nice because you give Emily a list of these are the only places that we're allowed to go out to dinner.

And so it was nice for you to have more options. Yeah. That's actually a good point there. No, actually some of the places on there are some of my favorite restaurants as well. yeah um in no i well jeffreys page i briefly scanned i was on anthony's show this morning uh and he was doing an ad read when that came out and i jumped to jeffrethry's page i read through jeff jeffreys page i read through jeffes page quickly so i haven't matched it up yeah and then i jump to the pages of the new players saquan bryce huff quinyon michael cooper de jean um and quickly

read through there for some story i doven white and i actually have some interesting story ideas that I don't want to put them all out here so in case our competition's watching it but I have some good angles that I want to throw out there. Wow, how about that? Yeah. All right.

So you don't yet know if the restaurants have remained static or not. Unless they, I don't believe they added one. So unless they subtracted one, yeah, I don't believe that. That would be funny though. What a tough thing.

You know what? The place has gone downhill. I can't put my name. I stand up on that one. And then, yeah, his, I did not look at the movies. He's constantly updating the movies, but I actually kind of respect that like Jeffrey

cares enough about media guys. Me too, yeah. I love that. He's like, by the way, it's a great year trekking. I saw this. I saw this movie. Please add this on. Well, I noticed that Coda is on there. Was Cota on there last year?

Good point. I got to look that up. Okay. Yeah. All right. Does he still have Slumdog Millionaire on there? No. I don't think I don't think I saw a slumdog millionaire.

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You win. You bet, bet parks. So I have the 2020 media guide up here, and they don't even have, they don't have the, anything for, for,

so did they take a year off in 22 and then bring it back in 23? For Jeffrey? For Jeffrey? There's no, there's no box in 2020. Maybe that was why you were so excited last year? Maybe so. Yeah.

Okay. This is all kind of blended together. This is, the most important part of training camp. All right. Let's talk about the quarterback position, Zach. Yes. All of the many things that we spend our time talking about really pale in comparison to the most important question about the season and the most important thing that's going to affect how good this team is. And that is the play of the quarterback. So with all eyes on Jalen Hertz and his relationship with Nick Siriani and having to learn a new offense, however new it is,

between 10% to 95% dealing with a new offensive line. What are your expectations for Jalen Hertz? How important is training camp for him? Just give me your vibe check on the man who, as you said, always in photographs looks so cool. Yeah, this is all the conversation about Jalen Hertz going into camp is not unfounded. It's not overdramatic. He is the biggest story.

in training camp in a, a few minutes or so after the show, I'm going to have a primer up on all p.hly.com for our diehards. And I kind of go through five of the storylines of camp. And Jalen's number one, because they need Jalen to be an MVP caliber player this year. Number one, number two, they made considerable offseason moves on the coaching staff, in particular, to try to maximize Jalen Hertz. and we don't know how Jalen's going to be in this offense. You've made the point a number of times, and it's a good one,

that Jalen's best year, it's not a coincidence, it was 21 to 22 when there was continuity from the play caller from the offensive coordinator first. And he even said it that summer. First time that's been the case since he was in high school. So now you don't just have a new play caller, but you have a new offensive scheme in place. Jalen did not look particularly good this spring.

I'm not making too big a deal about that. That's just what our eyes showed. Like I said, it's like a rough draft of an article. It's what matters is how he looks in September. But you do want him to play real well this summer. I think if he plays poorly this summer, that is concerning. I think that there's the way he played toward the latter half of last year was a part of their collapse. J. Allen did not play well enough.

He turned the ball over too much. He was not efficient enough. He was outplayed. He was the less productive quarterback on the field in multiple games late in the year. And he needs to play better. Now, to answer the question, I think he can. I think he will. I think Jaylen is an outstanding quarterback.

He's shown it. I know sometimes, like, if I can be self-critical on this show, I sometimes fall for what I've seen. but I've seen it not too long ago, him playing as an MVP caliber player. So what I want to see in particular from him this summer is I want to see efficiency. I want him to get the ball out quickly when he's throwing it. I want to see how he moves. I'm not as focused right now in like the leadership camaraderie part of it. I'm more concerned about that, like when they go into hard times, you know,

that's when that will reveal itself. how does Jalen kind of emote and express himself in times when they're struggling. But this summer in particular, what I'm looking forward to seeing is the way he is, is how he functions within the offense. I want to see him run. You know, I want to make, I want to see if he's unhindered by injury post-Rams game last year. And Yul and Baldy were on top of that right away. He was not running as effectively, even though he was not on the injury reporter came out that

he had a bone bruise or deep bone bruise. So all of all this is, is the way of saying that J Allen's daily progress is a huge story. And in my opinion, the dominant story in training camp. Would you like to hear the restaurant changes? You know, I knew I kind of had the filibuster because in the corner of my eye, I saw you had a media guide up there. The restaurant changes this year?

The restaurant changes from a year ago? From last year to this year. Oh, there are changes. There's one in, one out. Oh, okay. Okay, so remaining in the list. Yes. Barkley Prime.

Okay. Estia. Okay. Pizzeria Badiah. Yeah. Sagami. Yeah, okay. You go to South Jersey for sushi.

I respect it. Soraya. Oh, okay. Now, this is important. Last year's media guide had Soraya spelled incorrectly. This year's has corrected that. Good. Cool.

Okay, so they've done a good job there. Tequila's. Yep. Vernick. Yeah, my favorite in the city. And Vietnam. Can't be Vietnam. We've been there for lunch a few times this summer.

Now there have been two. that have been exercised, excised, rather. Not exercised, excised from the list. Nomad, which no longer exists. Okay, that makes sense. They did a good job, keep that up to date. And Tinto. Oh, Tinto getting the boot.

Tinto, getting the boot. Okay. And what gets added? In, and you know what I was hoping that the inn would be like a new place that was like, you know, fresh on the scene. It's actually a mainstay of the Philadelphia restaurant scene, but for some reason, maybe they've got juice again, Amata. Interesting. Okay.

Yeah. Maybe he had a better meal at a matta than you. Yeah. Does it still have his favorite breakfast spots? It does. Okay. It remains the same. Honey sit and eat.

Honey sit and eat. Is Sabrina's on there or was it? No, it's just honey sit and eat. Okay. We'll go through the movies later in the show. Stay tuned for that. Okay. All right.

Yes. Tinto. Tinto. We got to call them up for comment. That's our general to see. Yeah. What did you put in Jeffrey's food that night? That could be a good reporting tip, actually.

Maybe they had a bad experience. There's a story there. Maybe so. I didn't find out. I thought there was a few others in the past that have changed. Okay. I'm going to look that off. I thought the social club was on there one time.

I could be wrong. We'll see. Anyways, did you listen to anything I said about the other. I listened to most of it. Yeah. I thought you did a good job. Thank you. It was a good soliloquy.

Yeah. Do you want to talk about the restaurants real quick? Which one is your favorite one on that list? Oh, I don't need to talk about them, but. of the ones on the list. Probably Soraya. Okay. Is my favorite.

Okay. I like Vietnam and I like Vernick. Yeah. Markley Prime is like, you know, I just, Steakhouse, the ceiling's only so high. It's just, I don't need a steakhouse. Yeah. I mean, I love pizza.

So I'm cool with Badaia being on the list. And then, yeah, Vernix is my favorite restaurant in the city. Okay. Yeah, shout out the Greg. on GV. Yeah. All right. What are your, you talked about like what you, what matters to you with Jail?

Yeah. Do you think he's going to answer the call? Like if you had to guess later, do you think he's going to have a top five season? And do you think that how he plays this summer is going to lead you in one way or the other? Do you think it matters? So a few things there. First off, the ingredients are there. Like, if he's healthy, and this isn't even about Kellynne Moore,

next year he's, in my opinion. He's throwing the ball, the A.J. Brown, Devante Smith, Dallas Goddard, Sequin Barclay. If the offensive line gives him time and his bookend tackles might be the best bookends in the league. So this wide receiver court might be the best wide receiver core in the league. So, yeah, it's all there for him to be exceptional. Now, I'm not saying he's going to be at the Mahomes, Josh Allen level, and he doesn't need to be. The way the Eagles are constructed right now, they have so much talent. And he doesn't necessarily need to be like, you know, he's, I think that as long as he can stay healthy,

then he'll be really good. The thing is he needs to run the ball well. I don't think they should curtail the running. Part of what makes Jaylen special is that he's dynamic on the ground. And I want to see him dynamic on the ground this year. So I think that's a big point. We're not paying more to do less. Exactly.

Exactly. What do you think? I don't know. I don't know. my expectations are. And I don't want to overvalue what I see in the summer, but it is true that the best summer I've ever seen him have was that led to the best season I've ever seen him have. So all of that is to say, I'm very curious. I think the, I think the variance for what Jalen Hertz does this season is pretty wide. Well, well, yeah, but I, I, it needs to be a high floor.

If it's not a high floor, that's concerning to me, just because there's so much talent on offense. Like if he's if he's a middling quarterback with a.J. Brown, Devante Smith, Dallas, Goddard, Seekle, and Barclay, and those tackles that, to me, is a concern. Sure. I mean, also there are things that are due to regress positively. Like I think his turnovers are going to likely regress in a positive direction. Even though it's a new offense and it might take some time, I cannot imagine that he's going to be less prepared. Sure. To have answers offensively than he was. was in the second half of last season. As long as the guys on the outside say healthy,

I do, I think there's a pretty high floor. Yeah, the wide receivers are key here. Injuries to them, it changes the complexion of the offense, for sure. Now, to your other part of the question about how he looks, I'll mention other shows here. Like I said, I was listening to Shiocapati and Jim Kemski over the weekend, and I thought they framed it well, and I would agree with their framing here, is that based on my experience covering camp,

and I think I can speak for you, your experience government camp. A bad summer from a quarterback is concerning. Like, I don't think a great summer from a quarterback necessarily tells you that he's going to be great that year. But a quarterback that, you know, when we think back to like Carson's bad year, even Jalen, I didn't think Jalen was particularly good in 2021 in camp. And he wasn't got that good during the season as a pastor. So that's a way of saying that if Jowen looks this. summer the way he looked in the spring i will be concerned um but if if jellans lights out this this

summer i think it's a good sign i don't necessarily think that means he's going to be lights out throughout throughout the year yeah i think that's well said i also think that the competition of him against a vic fangio defense is a little bit interesting yeah um and you know no shade to your boy but in 2022 that like that defense turned out to be awesome but I don't know that it was presenting complicated things for him to read necessarily over the course of the summer, right? Like there were a lot of difficult plays because James Bradbury and Darius Lay were super sticky on the outside against those guys, right? But I think I think Vic might take that competition a little bit more seriously. True.

And to build on that, 2021, they were a bad defense, right? And he did not take advantage of against a bad defense. that probably tells you something. This is the first year in the past few years where we're not going to see them have multiple open practices. They only have one, or I'm sorry, joint practices rather. They've one joint practice against the Patriots. Typically, you know, two years ago when they practiced against the Browns and the dolphins, it was three sessions came away.

No, and they practiced against the Jets. They practiced against the Jets that year, too? Or two years ago? was that was yeah okay that was um it's all kind of coming together yeah but what's that welcome to getting old yeah um but in any event that gives you no they they did practice against the jets two years ago yeah two years ago yeah and they practiced against so they had joint practices against the jets the browns and the dolphins does that sound right i thought wasn't the browns last year yeah but they were in the browns came to philly last year yeah you're right yeah you're right yeah browns the colts came to philly

last year. Or were the Jets, the Jets were Nick's first year. Is that what it was? Because remember there was a sit-down with, with Sariani and Sala, before practice, because they were both first-time head coaches.

There was an interview. Oh, that's true, yep. Right. That's a good point. I think that's what it was. Okay. So it was Brown's Dolphins two years ago. Yeah.

Jets three years ago. Yep. Okay. Sorry to. No. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, it was Patriots and Jets two years, or I'm sorry, three years ago. Browns Dolphins two years ago.

Yeah. There you go. I did while you were talking scan the rest of the Lurie bio. No other changes. The movies and TVs all remain the same. So the only thing that has been updated is. I respect that. Tinto.

I got to say, I respected that. Jeffrey's sitting on the Cape or wherever during the summer. It's like, by the way, when this media guide comes out, make sure Tinto is not in there. Oh, wait, Tinto is permanently closed. Oh, so there you go. that's what okay so okay all right so he's he's he's he's just trying he's the fact-checking yeah they're maintaining it they're maintaining it i respect that even more it's it's it's it's it's it's a good copy we do need to find out about this amount of me yeah i'm going to a wedding um i'm going to a wedding

next month and the uh the the um the person who is having the wedding he was my former copy he was a copy editor when i was at syracuse and uh the options at the wedding are our chicken and salmon. And so for my dish and Emily's dish, we put chicken and salmon, right? And so then he, he messaged me and he said, which one's chicken and which one's salmon. And I was like, I respect how detailed you are. I was like, I'll take the chicken and we will take the salmon. And he's like, he said, that's the copy editor. I need to make sure it's accurate. Right. Well, he didn't know that you, maybe you were both trying to order both. Oh, no, no, no. He just, he wanted to make sure that it gets presented to the right person, I guess. Yeah.

There you go. What would you have gone with? I don't know. Okay. Probably the, I mean, chicken can be gross. Like if it's a bad, if it's a bad chicken, I don't know. It depends on how fancy the wedding is going to be. I'm just excited to see my friends from, I don't know how many people I'm going to know with the wedding.

We'll see. It's been, you know, 20 years or so. What's going to be your opener? Did you get the chicken or the salmon? What's going to be my opener? When you're meeting new people, yeah. Oh, no, that's not going to be my opener. Yeah, yeah.

No, it's, I don't know. Actually, I'm just going to say nice to meet you. What kind of dental insurance do you have? No, unless they're wearing the shirt with the dental insurance, I will not ask that. All right. Sticking a quarterback, Zach, before we move on to our conversation of the things that matter the most in the first week of training camp, this battle for the number two spot. Do you believe that there is an honest competition between Kenny Pets?

Pickett and Tanner McKee? No. Are you suggesting there is? Do you think there's anything that Tanner, like, is there a level of play that Tanner McKee can reach where he can displace Kenny Pickett? No. No, I think, unless Kenny Pickett gets injured, I think Kenny Pickett's the guy. I think the Eagles acquired, well, I don't think. The Eagles acquired him to be their backup quarterback, right?

I don't think they acquired. Or to flip him if they can. Or look, yeah, that's the other thing. If Pickett looks really good in the summer. And in preseason. And by the way, like last year's preseason, he looked awesome. You and I saw someone down in Orlando at the owner's meetings who was like preseason Pickett was incredible, right?

You probably don't remember that conversation or maybe you do. It was not unimportant. Wow. Preseason Pickett, yeah. All men count with you, but none too much, right? So, yeah. So I would say that I don't see a scenario unless they flip them. I don't see a scenario where Pickett is the third quarterback.

on the Eagles, put it that way. Do you? I don't think there's a scenario in which they would publicly say that he's the number three quarterback, but I could see a scenario where McKee plays himself to, like, if something actually goes wrong, they might eventually feel more comfortable with McKee. Yeah, I mean, they show you with who their emergency third quarterback is and who their backup quarterback is. But you're saying, if, if Jayhwin was down for six weeks or a season or something. I think there's a, yes, there's a, McKee could play well enough this summer for them to know that if something happens, they have a quick trigger finger on Pickett if he doesn't look good.

Will you try to rebound from the Senior Bowl? Hello to Kenny Pickett. Michael Dunn says hello? Yes. I think it would be funnier if that's the only interaction he and I ever have. I think it'd be funnier if, like, he does a press conference because they do these press conferences and camps. It's not like you're talking to these guys 101 that often, unfortunately. And so he does, his press conferences, he's, you don't ask him a question, but he's, he's walking off and he's, and you tap him on the shoulder.

He said, by the way, Michael Dunn says hello. I actually, now that we're talking about it, I think there could be a very navel-gazy, Wilfston where I just go up to him and apologize for the awkward interaction and see if he remembers it at all. Okay. Or interview about Michael Dunn. About Michael Dunn, yeah. That's true, too. like, you know, about different interactions he might have had with Michael Dunn?

And maybe the chicken vodka wrap. Well, that is, that's worthy. I mean, that's awesome. You know what's like maybe the question to him is, what does he find creepier, the interaction that he and I had, or you going to his hometown and getting the chicken vodka wrap and asking around about him? What he finds creepier? Yeah. To find creepier.

Like, well, what weirds him out more? I would imagine what I did would weird him out more, but I think there's probably, but I wasn't, I was doing it. I'm not saying you were doing anything untoward. You're doing your job. Yeah. But his perspective of it might be interesting. Yeah, but there's like there's a player who I want to, well, there's a handful of players who I want to do features on.

But there's, there's one guy in, in particular where I want to find out his favorite place in his hometown of the E. and just go there because I do think you can learn a lot about someone by their favorite hometown eatery. I mean, welcome to the Jeffrey Lurie Media Guide, my friend. That is true. I got to say, J. Von Hargraves hometown, Fletcher Cox's hometown,

Nick Siriani's hometown. I can keep going on. I went to all their, all their favorite spots. There you go. Yeah. Okay. And I find out what they eat.

The weird. The weird one, and I've said this, was I'll share this story. I don't know if Julia's heard this story. But I went to Carson Wentz's hometown, and I wanted to know where he ate before, the night before. One of the same booth. Yeah, the night before he went to Chicago to be drafted by the Eagles. And then I wanted to know where he sat. And I want to sit in the booth that he sat.

And then I want to know what he ordered. And I think by that point. And by the time they turned around and you were sniffing the seats, they thought, okay, something weird is going on here. I said, I'm a reporter. I mean, you know, this is, I'm trying to get the detail. But I was trying to capture, like, his last night before he was, he was a part of Philadelphia. Like, this was his last meal. You've got, you're taking, like, cotton swabs out.

You're taking samples. You've got a black light and all you're doing this whole thing. Yeah, I mean, I, look, I think you can learn a lot about someone by food. All right. Last question about the quarterbacks, Zach. Now that Tavante Parker is gone from the roster, is it fair to say that Will Greer is your least favorite eagle? The player you hate the most on the roster. First of all, I don't hate anybody on the roster. I didn't hate Devante Parker. No, I remember Will Greer when he was a high school prospect in Charlotte. His brother was a Vine star. I told you that. Okay. But yeah, I kind of respect that Will Greer's hanging on and is in a camp. and I'm not expecting

Coach and training it seems right? Yeah, coach and training. I mean, I will miss my, I will miss the third preseasoning game this year. I imagine that's going to be like a Will Gere special. Okay, there you go. Well, don't sleep on Will Greer. Just like you shouldn't be sleeping poorly

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I'm right here. There's something about me that I don't think you know. I've been getting into the spelling bee, the New York Times game. Oh, my, my mom does this. I was helping her this weekend. Yeah. It doesn't come as easily to me as like the crossword puzzle or the word or the word or something like that. What a flex right there.

Yeah, it's a little bit, it's accessing it a part of my, some days it all comes together and I see the board and, you know, I get to that genius level. But some days I'm stuck on like solid. Okay. Not good. It's a good, good variance. How much time do you devote to brain teasers? Because you are, A, you're good at them, but B, you do a lot of them. Yeah, but I feel like I very, like they come in waves. So like all the ones that I do, I don't do them all the same day. I get into little patterns. So like the spelling bee is the one that I've been, that has, has its tendrils in me over the past month or so. And do you find that it activates your mind?

I think so. I don't know. I don't know if it does, but it feels like, It's usually one of the first things I do when I wake up. Well, you have an active mind. So that's good. Yeah. What times do you do it this morning? Well, that's the nice thing about the spelling bee is that you can return to it throughout the day. So, you know, I'll do it.

I'll do it when I wake up and then check it out. See if, see if I see something differently. I've noticed that about you. You'll be at like, you'll be waiting at a press conference and you'll pull up a chess game or something like that on your phone. Yeah, I do the cross your puzzle. Yeah. Make some use of the time. Better than scroll on Twitter, which, you know, I can.

I'm certainly guilty of, but. Yeah, I am definitely guilty. It feels much more, uh, better use of time. Fair enough. Yeah. Okay. Anything new going on in your life that you'd like to share? That I would like to share.

No, all, all good stuff. Excited for camp, had a, had a good, I took my kids out for dinner last night. I took, I took a reach of the barber shop. You going to go see that movie tonight? No, I'm not. So I want, I'm so I'm behind in grading right now. And I'm, I need to get the grading finished. And if any of my listeners, I'm sorry, if any of my students are listening or I know, I know Andrew, my boss of Colorado State, I should say, I should say, a doctor.

I don't want to know if I can say his name or not. But I want to do, like when I teach this class, I'm trying to think maybe I should put multiple choice in instead of. To make it easier to grade. The final project is, the final project is, it's like, I. a 750 to a thousand word article, a podcast, okay, and then a video clip. And they have to incorporate interviews in them. That's a lot of work. And so I go through all the podcasts and listen through to all of them.

How long are they? Well, some of them like 45 minutes, right? And so because solo? So some get, well, because they have to incorporate interviews into these assignments. So in any event, like I don't want to just. grade the first podcast that I listened to because, you know, you need to have some type of like skill level curve in mind here, even though it's, so you go through and you, do you have a curve? Like, will you give the best one an A or if, if none of the podcasts reach what you

view as the A level, will you? I'm being, I don't want to say lenient grader, but I think I'm being a more understanding grader. Like, this isn't, this isn't what they do professionally. If I was grading my podcast, there will be days when like my intro, my outro is not that strong or I stumble over a word here. I don't make a salient point. So what you're kind of trying to ascertain is a command of the subject manner that they're speaking about, some type of command over or some type of presence, you know, in front of the microphone.

And then just like want to, you know, you can tell if someone's mailing it in, you can tell if someone like really cares about the assignment. And so. Is it all sports? Well, yes. Yeah, it's part of the sport management program. at Colorado State. So it's all sports,

but it's a wide spectrum of sports, right? And so I was grading one last night. It's not horse racing. It's like horse presenting. Like, does that make sense? I don't know. Like horseback?

Like dressage? Like what? No. Yeah, like they ride horses but not racing. In. Like dressage? Is that what it is? Is that what it is?

Is that like that? Yeah, dress. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Like dress is, is that what's called Drasages? I thought so. I don't know. I mean, I'm reading it.

Okay. But, yeah. So I was doing that last. So anyways, I was writing a piece last night and I was grading and I was grading. And then I just, I don't have the bandwidth right now to go to the movies. Oh. Okay. So roundabout.

But, yeah, I, if I gave multiple choice, I would save so much time. So much time. But then I feel like the students aren't getting what they could get out of this. Yeah. Yeah. There's probably a happy medium. Yeah. Oh, my performance, my value, my student evaluations again are probably going to say I gave too much work.

So something to think about. That's what the overwhelming response was last year. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That doesn't surprise me, but you are who you are. That's why we love you.

Thank you. All right. Okay, Zach. Let's talk about the things that we think truly matter over the first. first week of training camp in in the in the in the grand scheme of things the first week of camp is is going we're going to look back on it and think that oh it was really silly we were talking so much about how good luke jurega looked right but sometimes stuff matters what a callback i remember making that mistake myself his second year is like oh you know luke churiga's looking pretty good and then like second week

camp is just getting run over like okay uh these these these blips happen but there are things that do matter and we do have you know two new coordinators to evaluate we have a new role for nick seriani to pay attention to obviously the quarterback why don't you start giving me the the first thing that you think truly matters the first week of camp uh well i i will go i mean besides how jalen looks can i use it because we talk about that sure so besides that or include that whatever you want i think i think we both agree that how jillan hurts looks yeah so the first week so if there's like a specific thing about Jalen that you'd like to talk about. Here, how about this?

What Jalen says tomorrow? Okay. I'm curious about that. I think, like I've said this summer, I think some of the intention has been assigned or like with the comment about Nick, some of it's been assigned to him, but he also left it open for interpretation that way. I want to see, and I ask you this, if there's any type of noticeable difference in Jalen's public comments, or if he remains like, I don't want to say defiant, but.

This is who I am. You guys make too big a deal about this. Yeah. I think that's likely to happen, don't you think? Yeah. Okay. I should also say Jayhoun Hurd started or he announced a foundation today. Yeah.

Yeah, he has a foundation and the intentions of it are very good. And I think. Well, I spoke in the summer about the air conditioning in 10 schools in Philadelphia. I thought that was really like in, intentional and what I'm going to read this specifically. J. Owen Hertz launched the J.1. Hertz Foundation, which is, which was founded the strength in communities by serving, mentoring, and advancing youth. There you go. I also think it's table stakes for us to say like that the actual most important thing is nobody gets, suffers a

seasonending injury. Like that's really the most important thing over the course of camp. But aside from that, of the, like the camp battles that we expect and where guys are, lining up. I don't think that where guys are lining up on the outside of cornerback, the first week necessarily matters too much. Like if it's Isaiah Rogers day one or week one, that doesn't mean that Quinion Mitchell or Kelearingo might eventually overtake him. At right guard, I think it's going to be Tyler Steen for the first week. And I still think it's possible that Mackay Beckton overtakes him or somebody else does. But that's not going to happen in the first week. is my expectation.

I think the one position where it does matter to see who was installed day one is linebacker. Yeah, I had that on my list here. It's going to be Devin White. And now that Nekobi Dean is theoretically 100% ready to go and can be a full participant, if he is not, you know, the starter opposite Devin White, and it is Zach Bond, I think that does matter. I think it tells you what Vic Fangio thinks of Nikobe Dean, what he's seen on tape, what he evaluates of him in. person and if it is Nikobe Dean then you know maybe it was much ado about nothing in the spring and that's what our expectation will be for week what that's a great point uh because it's no longer as far as i know

about Nikobe Dean's health right like he's had the full off season now he should be healthy going into the summer so if Nicopa dean's not out there if he's rotating with Zach Bond that really shows this is a legit competition okay uh yeah my next one james bradbury uh we did not see james bradbury during the spring. We thought we were going to see him for a mandatory mini camp, and then he got injured during a stretching period. So look, if James Bradbury, if there's like a lingering injury or something,

my guess is that it's really... Who we can roll our eyes about that. Yeah, it's kind of them holding Bradbury back. They'll see about trading him, that kind of thing. But if Bradbury's out there, and we talked about this yesterday, I want to, you know, is he playing safety? Is he second team safety? Is he a corner?

But how does James Bradbury look? Because look, a year ago, James Bradbury was, he went in the camp, one of the most important players on the Eagles. Two years ago, he was a second team all pro. So, yeah, how James Bradbury looks is an important storyline here. From a Jalen Hart's perspective, the specific thing that is interesting to me is, is he throwing to guys other than A.J. Brown, Devante Smith, and Dallas Goddard. Good point.

Maybe that's Sequin Barclay. It would be nice if it was. maybe it's Paris Campbell, maybe it's Johnny Wilson or whoever. But in the flow of the offense is the ball finding guys other than those top three because we know that he can throw the ball to those guys.

And I think that would show a command of the offense that is maybe ahead of schedule. That's a good point. And I think Sequin in particular. Now, I don't want to be misled like I was last year, but the Eagles draft, or I'm sorry, they signed Sequan to be a 300-touch guy, to 275 to 300 touches

and that's not all going to come on the ground, right? It's going to come through the air. So I said on Anthony Schell and I believe this, if Sequant's not involved in the passing game, I don't think it's Kellen Moore's system. I think it's Jalen Hurts not throwing to the backs. Because there is history of Kellen Moore system incorporating the backs, right?

And there is history of Jalen, not throwing it. And like we've said, Nick Siriani, when when Nick Siriani got here, he was candid about like, we're going to throw the ball to the running. in this offense. And then last year, he was saying Sequin Barclay has receiver hands, right? So I think Nick Siriani wants to throw the ball of the running backs, but Gail is the one

who delivers the ball. I think you're right. I'm going to stay on the wide receiver wavelength here because the first week of camp, that's what we're talking about in particular. Well, you, there's no hitting. There's no pads on the first week of camp. So the position, so the linemen, you know, even the linebackers, you can't really tell as much early in camp.

And I shouldn't even say hitting, but there's no pads. on. So it's a little different type of intensity. But you can typically see skill players. And so is there a third receiver who emerges here? Does Paris Campbell look really good? Does John Ross carry momentum into training camp? Does Anaya Smith, someone who I think, like if Smith is good, he has a shot at being the third wide receiver, does he emerge? So I want to see, is there a wide receiver who starts to separate himself during the first week of camp? Okay, well said. For me, very in the weeds on the offensive line,

but to the point of the Tyler Steen Trust, does it continue that Matt Hennessy is only taking his snaps at right guard and not practicing at center? Is Mackay Beckton getting a lot of work at guard, even if it's on the left side? I think the way that the second team offensive line rotates will tell us a little bit about their relative faith in Tyler Steen. I want to ask you,

because we made a bigger deal about Matt Hennessy. Is Trevor Keegan working out there on the right side? We made a bigger deal about Matt Hennessy because of when he signed. We were talking about the additions during free agency. We did not talk much about Max Sharping when they signed Max Sharping. Yeah. Do you view Sharping and Hennessy on the same level? No.

Okay. And why not? Because they signed one guy the first week of free agency and they signed the other guy in June. Okay. Is there anything to the fact that they signed Sharping after seeing Hennessy on the field or seeing these guys on the field? I don't think so. Okay.

Do you? I don't, but it's just something that I've seen out there. So that's why I'm asking. Yeah, I think that's more just getting ahead of depth things. And this is a guy who has a, you know, a baseline level of competence that is still available. Sure.

Yeah. I'm excited to see Seekwon because not to say this is going to be like AJ Brown in 2022 or, or T.O. in 24, I was at that training camp. But you get a high-profile player who comes into your offense. Every time they touch the ball, there's a buzz among the crowd, right?

And it might be a little different for a running back. But Sequin is, he's a star, right? Besides the contract, you know, he's not getting paid more than Bryce off. He's not getting paid. There's a lot of guys, or there's a number of guys the team getting paid more than him, but from like a profile perspective, he's a star. And you want to see how he looks in practice.

We don't get to see much of it during the spring. I want to see more during the summer. Okay. Last one for me is from a like how does Vic Fangio prepare these guys perspective, the versatile guys, the positionless players, if you will. Cooper DeGine, Avanti Maddox, where are they lining up? How many different places are they lining up? Nolan Smith is he doing some interesting stuff.

Even Quinnian Mitchell, who spent a little bit of time in the slot in the spring, is he working at multiple positions? I'm just curious to see how he is putting that puzzle together and evaluating all the different moving parts. I like that. Before the show is over, I did want to ask you a question. And you can't get mad at me asking this. I'm not asking me. I'm not asking you who the camp crush is.

But we're fortunate here. We've, we've, this is our first training camp at PHLY. Okay. We have, and I'm so appreciative of the sickos and the long time listeners. We've also, if we can pat ourselves on the back here, I think we've, we've continued to grow the audience and build the bigger audience. There, there might be audience members who are unfamiliar with the camp crush. So. The BWCC.

It's obvious what it is. But what goes in to finding a camp crush? What's the history of the camp crush? And because we will be referring. to the camp crush throughout these next few weeks, can you give the new audience a sense of the prestige that is the Bow Wolf Camp Crush? Well, it is a storied history.

Okay, there is. The idea of the camp crush is as a player who was under the radar, who is popping to some degree. And the mistake I made last year is I waited a little bit too long. Tanner McKee was the guy, was the guy, and I was ahead of that. And then I waited a little bit too long. brought in the full of the core four which we all remember but the idea is um yeah a player who

in my estimation uh is outperforming what the the low ex it has to be a player of low expectations whether that's an undrafted player or a veteran and i i don't know if it was the first one but dandre carter i believe is like the the original and then we're talking dandre carter sua o petta Elijah Riley, Coyote Iwasheka, reblankenship, players who all have very much in the NFL exceeded their expectations going in. And so the history is storied and obvious. I've thought about, like, are there positions that I haven't had a guy before? And now Christian Ellis was a linebacker last year.

So that was part of what intrigued me. about McKee, but, you know, I saw the quick decision making early on. I don't know. I don't want to prejudice it. And that's actually what's nice about it is that oftentimes it has been a player who I would not have expected to be the guy. I think the only guy who was like going into camp was on my radar and turned out to be the guy was probably coyote. Okay. Now, when in camp do you say, all right, I know you have to let it come to the heart.

But when are you like? It's very, it's very romantic. It's very, it's very much like, oh, wait a second. I didn't, I didn't know, I wasn't, I wasn't familiar with your game. Yeah. And then I want to see, I want to see, once the first initial crush happens, I want to see one more day of, okay, that's it. Yeah, he's, I like what they're working on. You want to see one more day, okay.

Yeah. Okay. And so is there, what do you think, it's, it's going to happen by the first preseason game? That's the, the, the, before the first preseason game is the drop, head point but that was my problem last year is i waited too long until then it's i i would i would hope that it happens by the second day of padded practices or something like that okay we'll see what do you think your ratio of seven on sevens to uh to one-on-ones will be i mean i'd hope that it would be a hundred to nothing i would much rather watch the one-on-ones yes okay yeah so this so we'd rather watch

football than flag football true that's my job. So when we do our training camp shows, which will be 2 o'clock every day, we'll come fresh off the practice field. I'll give you an update on the 7-on-7s, Bo, we'll tell you what's going on on the 1-0-1-1. Yeah. That's exactly right. And we'll... Now we're talking O-line, D-Line 1-1. I do like a wide receiver to be one-on-one. Who's going to be the Rita's king, if you will? Who's going to... Who's going to be the... like the guy who's carrying the most Ritas or eating the most Ritas post practice. I mean,

it's probably going to be an offensive line, a rookie offensive line. My lot of likes it. But this is my question. But usually it's going to be someone who's, it's probably going to be Trevor Kagan, like bringing it over to. All right. So this is a better way of phrasing it.

Okay. Jordan Davis was pretty adamant that he's cutting out the, you know, he's cutting out the juices. Okay. If he wants to kind of spoil himself, he has like a low sugar mango juice. from Whole Foods, okay? If you see Jordan Davis with the Rita's,

is it a red flag? Or he earned it. He just worked out in the sun and 300 pounds. I don't have a strong opinion. Good for him, I guess. What about you? Trying to add some fun and levity to the show and you completely, I don't have a strong opinion.

Can I do that next time you say, like, yeah, next time you ask me something that I don't want to venture toward that territory, I can just say, I don't have a strong opinion. Do you have a strong opinion about Jordan Davis, having Rita's post practice? No, I don't. I thought you might have a witty.

I think they should cut him if he does that. I think they should cut him, if not kill him. I thought you might have a witty retort, but I suppose not. Joy, a question for you. Okay. Hot day. Do you want water ice or ice cream? Water ice.

Also, I was going to say that there are a lot of sugar-free options at Ritas now, so he could still be having that. But at the stand at the facility, they don't sometimes have. have the sugar for you. Yeah. No, water ice over ice cream. Thank you.

Joy and I are on the same wavelength here. This is another old training camp debate. Look, I love ice cream, but the analogy I've used is on a hot day, do you want a glass of milk or a glass of water, right? So on a hot day, you want water,

not ice cream. Okay, will you be participating in the Redis? No, I will not. Never? Um, no. Okay. Yeah.

Unprofessional? at one point I thought that but then I was also I'm trying to look I'm in front of a camera every day I'm trying to I'm trying to eat healthy I know what happens every year is I I feel good going in the camp and then by like Thanksgiving I'm just like I'm a mess I've been on the road because you don't sleep I've been on the road I've been sick of it yeah so every year it's like the same thing same thing and And I go at the end of the season. Like, so, yeah, during camp is a time of year when I try to, I try to maintain being healthy.

I still get all my steps in. And then, yeah, come October and November, I mean, there would be, there would definitely be like a three week off that on the show. There's, there's, there's. Can't wait. Yeah, I promise you that's going to happen. But, yeah, I, I usually avoid the, the water ice during camp. We'll see. Maybe. I love readers. Okay. I like to have one ceremonial last day of camp.

Okay. I like that. Just to close it out. I like that. Will you go to, will you have a Saturday where you go to FDR Park for the? Oh, the Southeast Asian food festival? Yeah. That was good. They've got to practice on a Saturday or Sunday. Yeah, why not? Good. I like that. That was good. That's where you and I took a little walk and you debated whether to take this job. And 11 months later, here we are. There you go.

Yep. All right, that'll do it for this episode of the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast. Boy, tomorrow's a good one because we will have the first practice of training camp to talk about. Practices early in the morning. Not early as far as Zach is concerned, mid-morning for him, but that's okay. We're going to be here live at 2 o'clock to talk all about it. And 2 o'clock, what we're hoping in perpetuity for the long run here. Perpetuity.

Practice on Wednesday and Thursday. Can't promise perpetuity. I said what we're hoping is perpetuity. And sound off in the comments about how you think the Eagles should punish Jordan Davis if he

has water ice after practice. Make sure you subscribe and like the video and all that good stuff. Evangelize and get ready. Buckle up because the pads are popping. The clickety clacks are clickety clacking. And we're ready for some football.

So for Julia and Zach, I'm both we thank you for watching we'll talk to you tomorrow and as always we love you