PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | Kool-Aid McKinstry, Cooper DeJean and the Philadelphia Eagles’ cornerback options in the draft

Episode Date: April 19, 2024

Our final position preview lands on one of the most important for the Eagles. At No. 22, cornerback seems like a realistic option, whether that’s a surprising fall for Terrion Arnold or sticking put for Kool-Aid McKinstry or Cooper DeJean. And if not in the first, rest assured the Eagles will add a cornerback somehow to compete with Darius Slay, Kelee Ringo and, perhaps, James Bradberry. Zach Berman and Bo Wulf welcome Dane Brugler of The Athletic to discuss cornerback and what’s coming as the draft approaches. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

P.H.O. Yagles podcast, Bo Wolf, Zach Berman. Yesterday was Thursday. Today it is Friday. We, we, we, we so excited. We're going to have a ball today. Tomorrow was Saturday. And Sunday comes afterwards, Zach, I don't want this weekend to end. How you doing? I'm doing great. I'm excited for the show. Countdown is on less than a week until the NFL draft. There's so much I still want to talk about. So much I still on our right. Time is winding down. Excited. We're going to talk about the cornerback position on this episode. We're going to talk to

Dane Bruegler coming up about 1.30. He of the beast, he of the athletic. Excited to do that. But let's get into it. Zach, cornerback, a position that very well could be the position the Eagles dropped in the first round. And I think that the way that we frame the free agency conversation about like this is when the Eagles have to tell the truth. I think there is some connectivity there to cornerback for the Eagles in this draft because we have talked about, well, you know, they could have drafted Patrick Serthan and they could have drafted Sauce Gardner or traded up for Derek Stingley. Christian Gonzalez.

Yeah, all these guys. And I think those things are true. But with three picks in the first two rounds and a long-term cornerback need and a short-term cornerback want, we're going to find out if that has all been circumstantial or if there's, they come out of this draft without a corner in the first two rounds, I think we will be able to say that for whatever reason, not that they don't value the position, but for whatever reason, they are a little bit skittish about it. At the top of the draft, they don't think that it is the best investment of their resources. So you're putting first two rounds there. I was going to say first three picks.

Does that mean? You just want to start with a semantic disagreement in case they trade down from the second? That's my point. Yeah. If they trade back from the second to the early third and they take one in the early third. I still think it's important in them. It'd be their biggest investment in a corner in the draft since Sidney Jones in 2017. Not if it's the trade down in the third round, which you are now putting on the table,

throwing a wrench into the entire conversation. Well, what? No, so, yeah, but I agree with the premise of what you're saying. If they wait until like day three this year

or something of that nature, then, then it is one of those things. Don't listen to what they say. Watch what they do. And it could be a situation where they don't trust their evaluation there to make a high leverage pick in the position. I think this is a decent, well, I think it's a good corner draft. I think they'll find good corners within the top 90 to 100 picks.

So I would expect the first three rounds. And the reason I said first three rounds is because I can see a scenario when they're trading up in round one. if they move back from round two to round three, and then they take one early round three, something of that nature, mid-round three. But still, the top hundred pick on a corner would be an investment

given the way they've spent the draft picks in recent years. Now, how specifically do you want to do recent years? Because if we're just going to break everything down into semantics, maybe we should start here. Did I offend you with that? I just don't know why we had to. Like, well, I mean, what did you really mean? First three picks?

Like, sure. Fine. Yeah, well, I just mean because there's a chance they could trade back out of round two in their own three. So that's, that's my point. I mean, round four has kind of been the sweet spot for them drafting corners. Yes. As you've pointed out in the past, I think that they should take one earlier than round four this year. And I can certainly see that happening this season.

I expect that to happen this season. I actually find having gone through the corners for this exercise and gone through the, you know, all the player profiles for the piece that's on all phtly.com now. Make sure you read that. Like I think there's a nice little, you know, top five guys who will be available, you know, back end of the first round and we will get to some of these guys, Koolet McKinstree, Cooper DeGine, these guys. But I find the, a little bit underwhelming, like, rounds two through four or five or whatever.

And this is one where the, you know, the ages come into play. Some of the testing results are not super great. I'm sure that there are, like, there are going to be guys in this class who turn out to be really good corners, of course, because volume-wise, it's the biggest of all the positions. Some of these guys are going to pop, but I don't find myself super excited about that many guys beyond, like, the top five. I see your point, and certainly when you get to those guys you're talking about, you're not expecting day one contributions. And this is a position where, like, if there's any spot where the Eagles can have a pay. path to a day one contributor it's probably corner and right guard right i mean i mean maybe linebacker if they take one early but live receiver yeah okay okay that's that's the third absolutely brock bowers

yeah i'm i'm just saying like uh linebacker on i just mentioned defensive tackle no not defensive edge yeah no no um but as as as far as like a major d1 contributor a major day one contributor i could see, you know, if they take a corner in the first round, that guy's the front runner to start the season, right? So. Yeah, I mean, that guy's starting this season. Sure, exactly. So that's my point is that if you're waiting to round four, waiting to round five, it's a, it's,

what Zach McPherson was, is his, his rookie year. I mean, it's what Keely Ringo was at the start of last year. It's your, there's, there's patience required there. All right. You mentioned how he's draft history. He has taken, obviously, several corners, although not as many as you might think, even how many drafts he has been a part of. There have been several years where they've just not drafted the corner,

which is somewhat odd. You got Travard Lindley, Curtis Marsh, Brandon Boykin, Jordan Poir, Jalen Watkins, Jalen Mills, Sydney Jones, Rassul Douglas, Avante Maddox, Zach McPherson, Keely Ringo. And, you know, you mentioned the fourth round there, but it's notable that, you know,

Sidney Jones is a second round pick and nobody else before the third round. If you're looking for trends here, not a ton, I would say that he does not go searching for arm length that is, you know, Chip Kelly be damned. None of these guys, you know, Trevard Lindley had long arms, but everybody else here, 80th percentile or lower, and most of them

really more towards sub-50. And he hasn't really sought out elite athletes, per se, except for Zach McPherson. And I think we could argue about how well that worked out. And so this is not a position where it's been like, go find me the crazy athlete, and we

believe in our player development. It has been more searching for and oftentimes like undersized guys who are as how he might describe guys who could just play ball. Yeah, and that's certainly what Avanti Maddox was. I mean, he's someone who. Boykin, Maddox, Jaylon Mills. Yeah. The Keely Ringgo profile last year when I was looking at this, like, it's amazing that a guy like that dropped just from the profile.

Like you understand there were questions from him from a playing perspective, but 6207 with the 43640 and a starting starting experience at Georgia, you would expect, you know. Straight line speed though, right? He did not test well in the jumps and the agility stuff. So I think that matched some of the scouting perception of him that they would say that he did not have loose hips. He had stiff hips. And so that sort of tracked a little bit there. Yeah. You need to loosen up your hips?

We got chubs in here? Get what? Chubs. What's that? It's all in the hips. It's all in the hip. I'm not familiar with that. How are you not familiar with that?

What do you mean how I'm not familiar with that? There's a lot of things I'm familiar with that you are not familiar with. I am not familiar with that. You are not familiar with Happy Gilmore? Oh, I am familiar with Happy. I mean, I don't recall that specific scene. But. Jeez.

You think you know a guy. It's been quite some time. You know, I did have people like, they thought you were lying about Welcome to Atlanta yesterday. And I said, I tell you, I played the song for him after the show yesterday. Not even like a glimmer of recognition in his eye. I mean, look, I don't know what to tell you. You know, can you name the new head coach at BYU?

Yeah, the guy from the sons. Yeah, Kevin Young, okay. Kevin Young, the former Pirates First Baseman? No, no, not that. I mean, can you tell me the... Pete Thammell. I don't know. We don't need to do this exercise.

My point is there's a lot of things that I'm interested in that you're not interested in. There's things you're interested in that I'm not interested in. That's what's such a joy. But these are like we grew up at the same time. Like, how do you not have like Happy Gilmore as a cultural reference? Yeah, I remember how the price is wrong, Bob, right? I mean, I remember that. But there's other parts I don't remember as well.

Look, I won't know. Bob is the one who says it, and then, you know, it's not, it's a different B word, but it's okay. I'm sorry. Yeah, I have, I mean, I can probably give you like 30 seconds right now on 300 draft prospects. And I got this book at my head. I got the, there's a lot going on in the world right now that I'm paying attention to. You want to talk about that? No.

And my point is, welcome to Atlanta's not at the forefront of my mind. All right. Give me 30 seconds on Johnny Dixon from Penn State. Johnny Dixon from Penn State. What is he? Six foot 190. Did I get that right? Close.

510 and a half 190. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I mean, a five-year guy, correct? Nice. Yeah, five-year guy opposite of Kaelin King, correct? Yep.

youngest of 10 children What's that? The youngest of 10 children? Okay. Yeah, watched them a bit. Like Kael and King more of those guys at Penn State. Okay. Yeah.

It was good. That wasn't great. I would say Johnny Dixon's not one who I am. I could probably give you 15 seconds on it. You said 300 guys. Yeah, that was a point. Anyways. All right, let's get back to the regular schedule.

get back to the regular schedule program. You know what? It's the end of the week. Yes. We're a little bit punched drunk. My war ring is not very favorable. This week, we, uh, emmy and I talked about that this morning. Like a stern talking to? Like you had to go to the principal?

Not a stern talking to, just like comparing the sleeps and, yeah, hasn't been, haven't really seen five as the first number and, uh, in a few days. So. What are we at? 4.36. Okay. Yeah. Quality of sleep?

Quality sleep's great. Like it has like your latency, like how quickly you fall asleep. I was like seven minutes last night, which means that like once I got in there, I was down. That's pretty good. Yeah. All right. Let's talk about this. Six days away, Zach.

How do you feel? Like, do you think you have a sense of what's going to happen for the Eagles at 22? Well, so Monday I have a piece coming out on all PHLY, which is like 25 thoughts. about the draft. And because I have just things ruminating that I've been keeping in my notes tab. Sure, you have no other way to disseminate that information. That's just true. We do a show every day.

I think they're going to try to trade up. And look, I think that the target will frankly be more tackle guard than Corner. I could see them trading up for Corner. I stand by what I said the other day, though, that I think Cooper the jeans the most likely. I think offensive tackles slash guards the most likely position. The player I'd be watching is J.C. Latham is if he can, if he slips into the teens, then I think that's a player they could try to trade up for.

I think Seattle's a team to watch out for. Seattle doesn't have a second round pick, I believe, right? They traded the Giants in the Leonard Williams deals. And so if, you know, John Schneider's now running the draft in Seattle, he's a guy who likes to accumulate picks if that's a team that's that's that's going to that can trade back to 22 if you can package 22 and 53 go up gets for 16 in a third that's something that would jump out to me if a guy like j c later down in the third

though i don't know yeah i don't know if i love that you don't love that okay i don't think that i love that yeah especially for a tackle when there is going to be other tackle options. You're going to give up extra resources to take this deep position? I don't know. I don't know that I love that. I mean, I think I've just really gotten into J.C.

Latham during the past two weeks and think that's the one that makes a lot of sense. Does he know this? The trench game? He just crawled right up in there. I think he's a player who makes a lot. you off like a flea? Like,

like a low leverage pass rusher, right? Yeah. So that's anyways, I can see them doing that. I think you get to a point where in the 20s, where they have to decide someone like a Marius Mim, someone like Tyler Gytton, how patient you'll be. I think Mims is more likely than Geyton among those tackles. I think the upside there jumps out, especially.

but I can see them moving up. Howie, in recent, you know, Howie's someone who studies his habits. And I think if there's someone that he wants, he goes and he gets that guy. And he's more willing to be flexible. We've talked about this, trades up in the first round,

trades back thereafter, right? I think he believes in volume later. I think he believes in targeted approach early. Maybe it's the corner. Maybe he views a drop off. I keep seeing. Well, we do the semantic thing. And we've already had this, but I don't think that it is because he's targeting a player.

I think it's because he's targeting a drop-off. Absolutely, yeah. You brought this up back at the Senior Bowl, Quinean Mitchell, and we'll get to him today. For as much as he gets the draft hype doesn't seem like the Eagles type as far as the type of player they would trade up for. Because if you're trading up for it, if you're trading up for someone, you want it to be a good bet. Like you're not just trading up for the player, but you're trading up for the profile. And the profile is a little different than what they would typically go for, right? I think Terry and Arnold maybe more so, but I don't, I don't, you know, when we've talked about them trading up for Stingley or Sartan or Horn, you're trading up for like a no doubt top 10 corner.

These guys aren't no doubt top 10 corners. Yeah, I agree with that. And so that's what makes me, you know, is the drop-up? off, and I suppose I can ask you this question, we can probably ask Dana it as well, is the drop off from Arnold and Mitchell to the Gene, Wiggins, McKinster, like, is it that significant that you're willing to part with a pick? I don't think so, and that's what I don't think. I mean, now, I like Arnold a lot.

If Arnold fell, you know, to 16 or whatever, I would be tempted, but I don't, I don't think that I would be willing to give up a second round pick for anybody in this class, to Anybody in this class? In this corner class? No. In this class overall? Yeah. Okay.

Given where they stand. Like, you know, Dallas Turner, sure. Like if Dallas Turner for some reasons, somebody takes, you know, Leatu, Latu first, and then Turner's on the board at like 15. Yeah, maybe then I'm interested. But realistically, I don't think, I don't think trading a second round pick to move up is going to be good business for them. Well, they don't have a third, right?

They traded their third in the picket deal. If you're going to go up meaningful spots, not your two-spot jump, but if you're trying to get into the teens, if you're trying to get past the Steelers at 20, right, then what are you attaching there? Your fourths aren't doing it, right? And so it needs to be you give up one of your seconds and you get a third back. That's how you're thinking. Maybe, but yeah, I'm not willing to do that for the, you know, you talk about. about the delta, the delta between J.C. Latham and Amarius Mims, that's going to be worth it for you? I don't think so. You don't think so? No, definitely not. I also, my friend Sam was making a good point about, like, we talk about, like, Amarius Mims and Tyler Guiden, like, they could never play guard.

I'm not, I'm not, I'm, like, they have to be, like, I don't know, you know, Brandon Brooks is a pretty big dude. Sure. Like, I think it's more the height. Halapulavati Vita, Vita, played guard. Like, I think the, I think this. if they drafted Ameris Mims in the first round, they might just try to make him a guard year one. Why not? I mean, yeah.

Why not? Right? I agree. I've been discussing Mims going back to the college season, right? I am a hot bullish on Mims. I think Latham can be a high-level guard from day one. And I don't, I'm not, I'm not drafting a guy in the first round because I think he can be a better guard right, like, quicker.

This is, like, this is about finding the guy who is the best long-term Yeah, I still think still thing long-term Latham can be that type of prospect. I think it just makes a lot of sense for them. Okay. But look, that's kind of how I'm fueling six days out. Stick and pick, I would say the gene or Mims would be my stick-and-pick guys. All right. So Amarius Mims, J.C. Latham, that's all you need to know about the cornerback class of 2024.

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And we know we've got moments coming up. There's the draft next week. You can put a little hooch on that. You got the Sixers. Game one at the Garden, the Mecca on Sunday. Who you got? Who you got, Zach? I mean, Sixers.

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we've talked enough, I think, about Terry and Arnold and Quinion Mitchell. I've sort of covered Cooper DeGine. Where do you stand, though? Tell me, let's say you're on the board of 22. Both DeGine and Kool-Aid McKinthry are available. Who do you take? Assuming you're taking a corner. Who do you like that?

I like them both. I'm probably higher on McKinstree than some others are. But I would lean toward DeGene. I think DeGine has, first off, high-level athletic traits that jump out. The ball skills really jump out to me. the versatility, as Baldi mentioned yesterday. The knock on him, and I asked Baldi about this yesterday, was like the lack of press coverage.

The same thing was said about Trent McDuffey, right? I think sometimes that if you believe in the player and you believe in the technique and you believe in the traits, then it says as Shield Capati wrote an outstanding piece on the ringer yesterday, right? Like the college coaches are there to try to win the game, that they have a system in place to win their games. They're not trying to just be a feeder system for you. So you have to project how a player will do with certain things.

It's not as if Cooper, if you feel Cooper DeGine can play press man coverage, then just because he didn't do it doesn't mean he won't do it. So I think the gene has high-level traits. I think the ball skills are innate. I think there are 10. you're on one today, huh? I agree with that. So, yeah, Cooper DeGine really jumps out to me, and I think he'd be a good pick at 22.

How about Nate Wiggins? Where does he fit in this for you? Yeah, Nate Wiggins, look, I'll raise my hand. I liked Emmanuel Forbes last year. You did not. Emmanuel Forbes was frail, and he struggled as a rookie in a big way, right? Nate Wiggins, to me, I feel like he has a high competitive spirit. He plays hard.

He's thin. I get that. It's funny because you said that he's thin as if it was part of the selling point. No, no, no. He keeps going to. It's like the playing weight. Now, it's not as if these guys can't put on muscle at some point in their lives, right? When you're 21, you can be stronger by 24.

you can be stronger by 28. Yeah, but I think the point that, like, he's already in a Clemson weight room and a weight program. Like, if he could put on weight, they would have, yeah, he would have had Clemson, right? Fair.

And I defended Troy Franklin the other day. I actually think the frame, the strength matters more corner than a wide receiver. It could be wrong there, but that's, that's... I don't disagree with that necessarily. So that's not concerned about, like, how you're going to fit the run necessarily, but are you going to get thrown around by opposing receivers a little bit?

Yeah, that matters. And I think the Eagles did see that with Forbes last year, that like, man, you know, I mean, physically, you can push him around. And I actually think that was part of their game plan against him last year was to push him around. So that does concern me, but I'd like the- 4-28.

Yeah. He's the youngest corner in this class. There's a lot to like about Nicky. Exactly. He's a good player. I don't he doesn't strike me as a fig fanio guy for those reasons like the slightness and tell me why because I don't know enough about fanio is the guy who who seems the most fangio like because he's probably the most comfortable in zone because he can be sort of a movable chest piece by the way movable chest piece why do we have to say movable all chess pieces are movable well I think they're just referring to the queen right because every chess piece can move yeah but every other piece is restricted in terms of its movement. The queen,

they should say it's like a queen on a chessboard, more than a movable chess piece. But I don't think that's what they're saying either. I mean, the queen is the... Well, that doesn't do you any good. I mean, if you're a pawn, like, I'm not complimented to say this guy's a pawn out there. I agree.

He's just moving... I mean, if you're not the queen, what do you want to be? I guess a knight would be pretty good? Yeah, but it'd be tough to defend nine routes if you can only go two yards up and then one yard to the left. It's true. So it's only a compliment

if you call it McQueen. All the other pieces are pretty restricted in their movements. Yeah, but I don't think that's like the idea that it's a movable chest piece is like they're not saying

like this is the queen because it's the best thing on the board. It's like because you can move it around and plug in different spots. Yeah, that and that's what the queen is. The queen can do different things for you. I don't think. I did all this cornerback prep

and we're talking about the chess board. Yeah. Yeah, Wiggins. So are you down on, On Wiggins, you liked him. I'm not down on. I think you texted me one day. You liked him more than you thought you would.

Yeah, I did. I liked him a lot more than I thought I would. I'm not down on Wiggins. The profile is a little bit tough at 22. But I don't, like, I would actually be, like, if they traded down a couple spots, I would be totally fine with Nate Wiggins. Okay. Yeah, I mean, me too. And I think there's actually a drop off after Wiggins.

Yeah, that's how, well, you know, Dane has it Wiggins than Dijin, then McIntyne. I believe there's a real drop-off after those top five. I agree with that, exactly. And so if you're gaming out, you know, Woodpecker you rather have, call it J.C. Latham and Max Melton, or Cooper DeGine and Kingsley, Sue and Matea, now Sue Mattae may not be available, but like all of those two things, or call it Roger Rosengarten. I don't know. I might rather have the corner in the first. Yeah, you're a big Rosengarten fan, probably from working at the year, right? Yeah, that's right.

So, look, I'm not actually going to push back on that. If you told me Kingsley would be there at 50 or a slight trade-up from 50, then I would be totally on board with pairing Kingsley in a corner. Because I like those five that you mentioned. By the way, history would tell you that it's much better to take the tackle in the first corner on day, too. As Fran outlined last Monday. Man, that seems like a year ago. So the McKinstree point, and before we get the Dane,

I want to emphasize this. Like, McKinstree was a day one starter, was like a true freshman starter for Nick Saban. That says something, okay? He was the top corner last year over Terry and Arnold. Now, Taryn Arnold was dynamic. Teams weren't throwing to McKinster's side as much. McKinthry went into the year with the thought that he was the top corner in this year's draft. McKinthry doesn't test, or he did not test great.

Like, he doesn't have the, maybe the, outstanding traits, but I think in terms of the college performance, I think the competitive makeup, there's a lot to like there with Coy McKinster. And I think Coy McIntyre would be a worthy pick in the first round for the Eagles. All right. I hear that lovely ding, that little jingle, and I know that that means we have our man, the man from Copenhagen himself, the Dane, Dane Brugler, our hero. I mean, he's a beast. There's no, there's no, there's a, There's no to Dan Bruegler after producing another just outdoing himself with the beast. Dane, how are you, my friend?

I'm good. How are you guys? We're very, it's so good to see you. It's good to see you guys too. We've, uh, I guess, I thought you with the senior bowl, but, uh, you know, we didn't get a chance of chat for too long. So, yeah, it's been a while. Now, now, you got the beast out. Then this week, I imagine, has been like nonstop interview.

you've got to be at the end of the line. How you're feeling? How's the energy level? A lot of cough drops, a lot of, try to keep the throat going. Okay. But yeah,

it's been, but you know what? I love it because once that guide comes out, it's, you know, the feedback is so much fun to, you know, people love it.

People have a question about, why have this player ranked here or whatever. I mean, I love talking the process of, you know, where I came with my ranking. and my evaluations, how other people feel about these players,

you know, all the background stuff, all the pro day testing. So, yeah, it's been fun to chat about it here over the last week. We'll go.

Before we get to the questions, two things. I just wanted to add, Dane, it's good to see you. I appreciate, there's one guy I wanted to make sure it was in the Beast,

and he's in there, and that's Diago Hunter from Talzin, who's 5'3 and 161 pounds. and I said, Dane, you're the best evaluator out there, but you got to give love to the short guys. And I was thrilled to see that he came in as your 136th running back. That meant a lot to me on behalf of the short guy community. And then the second thing is just another compliment to you.

There was a period of like a few weeks when I kept saying to Bo, Bo, we got to start our position previews. We got to start our position previews. And Bo was like, we need to wait for the beast to come out. there are certain positions where we need the beast for all the, you know, for all the standardized data. So that's, that shows you our show in a certain respect was built around your workload. We appreciate that.

Well, it's also like the, the beast is amazing on so many different levels. I mean, the accumulation of the data is one, you know, your expertise in how you view these guys. And then also obviously like all of the, all of the background that you've done. And I wonder if you, do you ever cluster guys because. you like the connectivity because there's a there's a back to back section of the corners that is probably my favorite in terms of information you've got elijah jones the cornerback from boston college super athlete a little bit older and we start here with eliza jones his father

is a hip-hop artist known as dj alamo who is in the group brand newbian and his mother is a model who was the first black model at lorreal paris what an unbelievable story and then you go to the next Dwight McClothern from Arkansas, and his nickname is Nudy. Yeah. Where else are you going to find that information except the beast? Yeah, no, I take a lot of pride in digging up all these little factoid and, you know, it's just fun because it's my favorite part of this whole thing is learning about the journey of these guys

and where they came from, you know, every, because everyone's different. Everyone has their own journey to get to this point in the process, the NFL, doorstep. And it's some of these guys, it's so unique, whether they, you know, they were basketball focused athlete most of their lives, you know, their family situations, you know, all of them have a story to tell. And being able to give some type of summary about each one of these guys' background is, you know, hopefully I do a lot of these guys justice in terms of some of the factoid and stuff. But yeah, it's been in the last 18 months really collecting all that data, all that info.

And so it takes a long time. But yeah, the end product is so worth it. Go ahead. I have a corner question, but I'm going to pair it with another question I have to make it more effective for your time and also for the listeners here. And that's you have a seven-round mock draft that came out in addition to the Beast.

And you have the Eagles taking Amarius Mims at 22. And the cornerback part of this is that the very next pick is Cooper the Gene. And then two picks after that or thereabouts is Nate Wiggins. So you have a scenario. here where Ameris Mims is on the board and then Cooper the Gene and Nate Wiggins are on the board. And there are Eagles fans who are saying like they need a corner, they need a corner, they need a guy who can play day one. We've been saying their trend shows you that they always valued the line of scrimmage.

So the way I'm going to frame the question is, is this. Where is that drop off after Mitchell and Arnold, after Quinnian Mitchell and Terry and Arnold, that you think the Eagles wouldn't push the cornerback spot, that it would. wouldn't beat the gene, that it wouldn't beat Wiggins when there's an attractive offensive tackle on the board. Yeah, and I think the answer to that is different for every team because you, after those top two guys, you're looking at, you know, a guy like Nate Wiggins who is super talented. You love the speed, you love the athleticism, but he is, he's rail thin, the lack of play strength is really a problem for some teams. So that is something that you worry about with Wiggins. With Cooper

Jeanne, it's a different set of issues where it's, okay, I feel great about him. being a corner, being a safety, being a nickel, being this versatile player. He's a big time athlete. But can he, if I want only an outside corner, is he worthy of the, you know, 22nd pick? And the answer to that is, it's different for a lot of teams. You know, they look at it very differently. So I would not, I haven't started working on my final mock draft yet.

There's a decent shot that Cooper DeGine could be in there at 22 to the Eagles. It certainly makes sense. But to your point, this is a team that likes to build in the trenches, and they are not afraid to draft for the future, draft a year ahead of time. And instead of waiting until we have the need, we're going to invest in the position. So when that need pops up, okay, we've got a guy ready to hit the ground running. And that certainly could be, especially if they have a high grade on Amerius Mims. Mims is the most fascinating player of this draft. You can talk about eight starts, but a guy that's the traits are off the charts, it's going to be looked at.

very differently by each team because it's again do you want the body of work absolutely but at a certain point in the first round i think every team is going to be like okay enough's enough let's pull the trigger on this amarius mims because he had three years from now he could be the best tackle from this class so where is that spot for the eagles and if he makes it to 22 it might be tough for them to pass on him regardless of those the rest of those corners that are available the way that we were sort of framing this a few minutes before you join us in was like let's just just presume that you want a tackle and a corner and you're looking at what's a better pairing, you know, would you rather, would pecker you rather, as we like to say, have, call it,

you know, Ameris Mims and Max Melton or Cooper DeGine and Roger Rosengarten? And that is a really smart way to look at it because this offense a tackle class, I think it drops off. I get why people say it's a strong position because it's top heavy. I don't think it's a deep position. And there's a lot of teams that need tackles. And so there's where they pick them, what, 50 in the second round? 15. Like there's, yeah, there's no guarantee that Rosengarten or Patrick Paul or Kingsley Sue and

Mattia, Blake Fisher, like that next tier of tackles who are more developmental guys. But there's no guarantee they make it that far just because so many teams do need tackles. And they're going to get pushed up because if you don't get your tackle early, you're not going to love your options, you know, in rounds two, rounds three, rounds four. So there is a realistic possibility that the Eagles get to their second round pick. And, you know, obviously they've got ammo. They could trade up what they want. But you'd rather not do that.

Corner will stretch. It is a deep position this year. And so I think that ideally you want to draft your highest rated player in the first round, regardless of how the rest of the draft plays out. It's why you do all the scouting. It's why you stick to your board. But you can't help it look towards the second, round, third round, and beyond as you try to map it out.

And I think that could play a part because, again, I think tackle does fall off. We discussed tiers quite a bit on this show. Are Terry and Arnold and Quinn and Mitchell in a tier of their own at the cornerback spot? In my opinion, they are. Terry and Arnold, you want corners who compete and are really sticky cover guys. He has that. Now, you ran a 4-50-yard dash at the combine.

That's going to be an issue for some teams that really value stopwatch speed at that position. And there are several teams that do. But I also talked to a scout who is at his pro day and said it was one of the best cornerback pro days he ever saw. Just in terms of the positional drills. So, yeah, the 40-yard dash might not look great for a player you're going to draft in the top 15, top 20. but the positional stuff was so good that I think you're willing to overlook the lack of the deep speed

because you can throw on the tape and here and there maybe he will lose a rep vertically, but it doesn't happen a lot. But what does happen is he is able to stay connected on underneath routes. He's able to, it won't play press, you want to play off,

the compete level skills are off the charts. And so with Terry and Arnold, I just think, yeah, he's actually my corner one and I'm sticking with it, even though I love Quignan Mitchell, he's been kind of my guy since the summer, and he's just kind of up, up, up, his draft arrow is just nonstop upward trajectory. With him, it's just kind of check all the boxes, right? I mean, athleticism, size, strength, the tape, the ball production.

It's like, what, 46 passes defended the last two years. Crazy production. And, okay, he played in the math, but then you watch the go watch him at the senior ball, and he's clearly the best player on the field. So it's like, okay, goes to the combine, looks great, test great. We're just checking all the boxes with Quignan Mitchell. So, yeah, I think both these guys belong in that top tier. How about on day two you talk about cornerback stretching?

Who are your favorite guys at corner on day two? Yeah, you mentioned Max Melton. He's definitely on that list. Mikey Sainer still from Michigan, who will be dinged with his undersized, 5-9, 185 pounds. Former wide receiver who made the move to corners. been playing corner two years. He played in high school, but at the college level only played the past two years in the secondary. But he is a such a smart football player. The football instincts,

the anticipation, he understands what the offense is trying to do, and then he stops it. He makes a play consistently over and over and over. And at some point, it's just like, okay, the coincidences are just, it's a lot of coincidence that he's always in the right spot at the right time. So Mikey Sanris still, even if he is a nickel only. He's one of my guys in the second round. And then, you know, Andrew Phillips, too, Kentucky, another guy that some teams will view as maybe a nickel only. I think he has inside outside versatility.

Not the biggest guy, 511, 190. And he's a little bit of the opposite of Strasnville because he doesn't have that ball production. He didn't have an interception in college. And those smaller guys without ball production are usually tough for me. I have a tough time getting past those guys. But with Phillips, his tape was so good with the movements, with the way he covers, and it was the same thing at the senior bowl, where he just, receivers had a hard time getting away from him. So I think both those guys, somewhere in round two, they're both going to come off the board.

And I think they're, you know, we can talk about length all day. Let's just give me the good football players. And I think both Stainerstil and Andrew Phillips, they definitely qualify. We're going to have, Zach and I are going to have a little hashtag on Mikey Stamrestill in a little bit. But go ahead. I mean, this is great on corners. If I can pivot back while we have your attention here. Yeah, we don't get data for too.

Yeah, we don't get dating because we were talking about tackles a few moments ago. And something that comes up quite a bit is tackles with guard versatility. You talked about corners who can play inside. Who are the tackles that you think could profile as day, you know, as as starting guards from the jump and then could potentially move over to right tackle when Lane Johnson retires? Yeah, I think if you're looking with that the first round pick, you know, J.C. Latham from Alabama, he was a right tackle only, but I think it's not a stretch to say he could move inside to guard in. Who knows, that might be his best position. Same thing with Talisa Fawaga. There are some teams that have him on the board as a guard around the league. I think more teams have him on the board as a right tackle, but there are several teams that believe he is a guard. That's his best position at the next level. And so it's not that he can't play tackle. It's just, They believe that his strengths best suited inside a guard. But I do think that he can hold up on, especially on the right side where he's just more comfortable. That one makes a ton of sense.

Troy Fautanu from Washington, he might have five position versatility. He was a left tackle, but also played guard. He has the movement skills, the length where you can stay outside. But aesthetically, he just, he looks like a tackle. He looks like an interior guy. So Fautano definitely on that short list as well. Where are the chances one of those three guys? falls out of the top 20, I think that's, that's tough.

You know, that's maybe the question mark. Do the Eagles have to trade up if they want to get one of those guys? I think the answer is probably yes. One other position I want to ask you about, Dane, is wide receiver. We sort of expect the Eagles are going to add somebody at some point here. Give me two types, your favorite mid or late round guy who is a downhill speedster and your favorite same area guy who is more of a slot guy because we don't know what the Eagles are going to go for, but it's probably going to be one of those two.

Yeah, and I think so we're talking, you know, third round, fourth round. You know, DeVontes Walker from North Carolina, he's that vertical presence. I mean, how far does he fall? Probably goes somewhere in that third round. But, you know, he's raw because his route, the hands, there's a lot of areas of his game that you kind of worry about. And that might push him to day three. So if he were there in the fourth round, I think that DeVontes Walker makes a ton of sense. Jermaine or Malik Washington from Virginia.

I like everyone. Yeah, and every year somebody gets compared to Steve Smith, right? And it's always ludicrous. But if we're going to do it, okay, if we have to choose someone in this class who is going to fit that profile, it's Malik Washington. You know, 5-8 and a half, 190. So competitive both before the catch and then after the catch. Down the field, his ability to adjust to the football.

And I liked him on tape, but seeing him live at, sweatshryan bowl practices and seeing him and jump these balls. It was like, okay, yeah, I'm not high enough on this guy with the way he is playing. So I believe he should be a top 100 player. Good chance he's still available in the fourth round. But I could see him working both inside and outside where he gives you that vertical presence on the outside but can also work underneath and be a yak player. So this receiver class is pretty deep.

We're going to see these guys go early, three in the top 10. We're going to see two or three more going the first round. and then they're going to start flying off the board in rounds two, rounds three. Even though it's deep, teams are, they want to get their guy. And so we're going to see a lot of receivers drafted over the course of the three days. Last one from me here. I know you're primarily scouting, but you're also forecasting as well when you do this. You know how he likes to trade up.

He's done it these past few years. Who are the teams in the teens that just as you look at it would be interested in trading back or that could be flexible to trade back? Seattle at 16. Yeah, my seven-round mock just came out on the athletic. And originally, I had the Eagles trading up to 16 to get one of those offensive linemen, whether it was Latham or Fulaga or Fautano. Seahawks always love to move back.

That's their MO. And so that one makes a ton of sense. But at the end of the day, I decided if they put, you take MIMS, you know, I think you feel good about what MIMS could be. But if we see them maybe move up a little bit, it wouldn't be surprising because, like you said, we know they like to do that. They're not shy being aggressive for the right player. And so this is a draft where they've got a little bit of ammo.

And if they try to flex a little bit and use it, it wouldn't be too surprising because we're going to see these offensive linemen fly off the board in the top 20. And they might not feel confident about who's going to be left for them at 22. Dan, you've been very generous with your time. I have a one sentence question for you here because we have a super chat about Isaac Garendo. Isaac Garendo or Adrick Estime, who do you like better? I think it depends what you want. I mean, Estimate is a little higher rank in my rankings, but with Estim or with a

garendo, he gives you, I think, a little bit more as a return man. You know, especially with the new kick return rules. He's someone that could play a part. He's a legit four three guy, speedster. So if you're looking for more juice to your offense as a complimentary back, then that's your guy. If you're looking for a little more thunder as opposed to the lightning, then you're looking to Adric Estime, who is just a mini Hulk with how built he is. So an estimate is a little more reliable because he's 20 years old and coming off a career year. Garando played six years in

college and has trouble staying healthy. So I think it just depends on what's your exactly type of role you're looking for and then just how risky you want to be with the pick. I mean, not just like putting all of the information together, but being able to recall it for whoever you're asked about for all of these interviews, it's just, you know, it's hard to beat Dan Brogert. Dane, thank you so much. You guys are too nice. I appreciate it.

All right, check out The Beast on The Athletic and check out Dane at DP Brugler on Twitter. Dane is the man. Thank you so much, Jane. Appreciate it. Take care, guys. All right, before we move on, Zach, let's talk about our friends at Miller Light,

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Let's do you want to talk about Mikey Sanristrill? Yeah, there's two guys that I want to talk about. Sam Ristrill, Max Melton. Who do you want to talk about first? Sanra Still is so fun to watch. Awesome. Yeah. And you watch, you know,

you watch the national championship game. He's all over the place, right? Really, really cool player. For me, in the second round, and I, you know, it's the, I wrote about it on the, on all p.hly.com, the position, like the player profiles,

he is undersized, underweight. He is older than, like, any corner at that level. He has short arms. It's just, it's too many boxes that are unchecked for me to make a second round investment. That's all. The whole, the whole process is about trying to improve your odds of a thing that is a very

difficult thing to begin with. And so if you, if you, if there are that many things that are outliers, I'm just not going to be the one to pull the trigger. I hear you. And that's fair. and I definitely don't want to come off as like anti-data because actually a lot of my friends would say I'm too into the numbers and I'm too into the data there. I think in his case though, there are times when you watch a player and you say like, all right, he's an exception for a reason because he's an exceptional player. He was the best player on the best team in college football.

He was, and this is subjective, he was the best defensive player on the best team of college football last year from my perspective. He changes games. He's like, I don't see a scenario where he's not a contributor on a team. Now, a second round pick is valuable. And that threshold, you might want more upside in round two. You might be thinking, all right, I'm willing to take that bet more in round three or in round four. But I just look at it. He's, we talk about red star players, right?

If I was a GM, he would be my red star player because I am just sold on. But I think that's, I think that's a mischaracterization of the Red Star. The whole point of the Red Star player is it's a guy who checks all the boxes. Who fits your profiles physically and mentally, like all of the things. Wasn't Avanti a Red Star though? Well, I think for a corner, I mean, for a nickel corner, he's not. Yeah, but I mean, I can see him being a nickel. But age-wise, I mean, like.

Yeah. Yeah, look, I, and I, someone says Zeeb needs to reach his piece. Literally, I was talking to Boe out there and I said, I know this is violating Shields first rule, which is the I know ball rule. Right. And I'm not saying. Yeah. But that's exactly it.

Yeah. But at some point. Yeah, but this guy's different. Yeah. But like I get that. It seems like that. I acknowledge that. I acknowledge that.

Like at some point though, if you're going to watch what's like, what's the point of watching it if you're, if, if, if, if you like someone, I'm not saying it's take them number one overall. I'm just saying like I feel strongly about the player that he is. This is a, this is a, this is a, this is a cost thing all the time you've spent watching college football has to have been worth it. I know. Like, like,

Yeah, like you see a guy enough. I remember saying this about Tyron Mathau. Matthew. Walter, Walter's son. Tyron Matthew. Grumpy young man. Oh, man. Yeah.

So, yeah, is that when you watch guy enough and you're like, I'm convinced this guy's going to be a good football player. I think he's going to be a good football player. Second round might be too hot. I don't want to be a Mike Sandler still here. Again, second round might be too high. To me, if you have guys like him on your team, you win games. I mean that's just a platitude that doesn't mean anything.

Okay, it doesn't mean anything. I'm saying, like, he's, to me, he's going to be a contributing player and a good team. And I could be wrong. But, like, this, though, I'm not saying ignore what you see. There's a threshold and you, everything is nuanced. You compare A to B, right? So if there's a player, it's a sliding thing at some point it becomes worth it. Exactly.

If you're comparing it to a player who has these traits, right, or who checks off certain boxes for you and you like what you see as well, you can kind of marry the two. What you want is you want the numbers to be checks and balances. And in this case it is. Like the numbers of the checks and balances and you say, all right, your eyes might be deceiving you. Maybe he's playing this way because he's two years old. than the guys on the other team. Maybe being on the best defense in college football allows you to do things. Yeah, exactly.

Maybe like those instincts aren't exceptional when you're on the field with people who have outstanding instincts, right? Like I understand these mitigating factors. I would not take them in the first round. I probably wouldn't take them over some of these other options at 50 or 53. I'm just saying I really like this player and I feel confident when I watch him play that in the type of player that I think he can become. But Max Melton is kind of on the other end of,

or I shouldn't say the other end of it. Max Melton, to me, checks a lot of those athletic boxes that you're looking for. And I love the way he plays, too. And when you talk about a history, like, there is evidence that you see in the NFL of players from that Rutgers defense, that Greg Shiano defense translated. He's got the player out the helmet. No, I understand that.

But if you're talking about like the way he's used, he's used around the, you know, he's used inside, he's used outside. I'll give an example. When you watch him play against Marvin Harrison Jr., sometimes look at that. How did he play against NFL caliber players? When he played against Marvin Harrison Jr., I thought Max Melton, like, did real well on some Harrison caught two touchdowns, but Melton had some really good reps against him, and that would leave me encouraged.

So in round two, frankly, I would rather take Max Melton than Mike Santer still. Oh, really? Yeah. because I think Max Melton could start for you on the outside. I know the people are projecting him as a slot, but I see a lot of upside with Max Mountain. I like Max Melton. I don't have anything against that.

Sell me on, we heard what Dane said. Tell me on Phillips, because I didn't see it. I mean, I'm not going to be the one to sell you on him. I think he's a fine looking player. There's like he plays with an attitude from what I've seen.

5.10 and a half, 5-10 and 3 quarters, 194-48 is what he ran. He is going to be on the tail end of 28 this year. Slightly small arms. I think the knock is like, and the big question for the Eagles is, would you use a day two pick on a guy who can only play inside? If, yeah, I mean, probably not.

Is my guess? I think time has shown, like, Avanti Maddox, brand boykin, were good picks that they made who were slot-only type players. And those are both round four players. And I think that's... Even Patrick Robinson signed off the scrap heap. Sure.

So my answer is no. And that's probably why I would take Melton over center still. Yeah. Do you have any sort of favorite guys on day three? I mean, Kellen King did not play particularly well this past year. But if you look at like Danes way too early mock draft last year, he was expected to be a first round pick. If you watched the way he played at Penn State two years ago, you saw that this guy has like, high level coverage ability.

And so Kaelin King would jump out to me in that regard on day, on day three. He has slipped. He did not run well, but I think he can be a starting corner in the league. And then the Camry and Richardson from a like height, weight speed perspective, really jumps out there. And, you know, he is. 6-218, ran a 4-34. You know, he's actually tough against the run. like he's a willing tackler.

So Richardson would stand out in that regard. My two guys, not super late. No surprise. Kaelin Carson from West Forest. Go deeks. Six foot, 193, around a four, five, two. I like him more than Mustafa of the Deeks.

I think he was the better player on that defense. Great name. Jarvis Brownlee from Louisville is the guy who I like as a slot option there. Feisty, pretty good. Testing results. just sort of liked what I saw. There you go. All right.

How are we doing? Doing well. This was good, this was a good corner conversation. Oh, I actually like Elijah Jones, even though he's an old. An old,

an older player. Yes. Maybe. Yeah, I liked Dwight McLeathern Jr. until I read your piece today. Yeah, he's way too many things.

Yes. But his name is nudie, so I knew you would like him. Don't know what that means. there's there's people I know who like who like Kyrie Jackson he's an old he's going to be 25 this year yeah um yeah uh but this is a class I I do think the Eagles take a corner in their first two days of the draft and it's going to be interesting because actually we and we've as we've talked about it's not like they need a lot of depth at corner

they've got like a lot of guys who can be in the mix they need a top end guy and so um like if they don't take a guy on the first two days, they don't necessarily need to force it in round four or five. But we're going to find out if they put their resources where their mouth is. Speaking of guys on their roster, just update on the news, five players were reinstated to the NFL yesterday. Isaiah Rogers was not one of them. Now, three of those players were suspended a few months at this time last year, April

last year two of those guys though were suspended at the same time as a jay rogers so uh we'll continue to monitor that rogers is applied for reinstatement we'll see um if and when that occurs but it did not happen yesterday uh Zach speaking of the news we meant to do this at the top of the show yeah i think it's better at the bottom you think it's better at the bottom that's fine uh tell us what's going on with jail and hurts yeah um i'll give a shout out to jellan hertz here credit to jellan hurts Joan Hertz, I don't give a shout out like it's coming from me. It's a big deal. No, credit to Joan Hertz.

Hey, Zach, that meant a lot. Put me aside next time. I heard what you said. Joan Hertz donated $200,000 to the Philadelphia School District for air conditioners in 10 schools in the school district. He was at one of the schools this morning. I was watching the ceremony or the announcement of it. and like awesome gesture, awesome move by J-1-Hertz, but what jumps out to me, we used the word intentional a lot.

And look, it's admirable whenever someone supports a cause, right? And especially supports, you know, young children. But like, that's a very specific. I have a lot of respect when people are very specific and, like, thoughtful about it and deliberate and intentional about it. And that's what jumps out to me about this. And what Jaylen said today when he was speaking to the kids is that he saw it on the news, actually, about the air conditioning problems at the schools.

And during the summer months, actually, schools need to shut down at 10 a.m. Because they don't have adequate air conditioning. And he said, like, he didn't realize this was a problem. And you kind of take for granted sometimes. Like you don't realize people are lacking what you have. And he wanted to do something about it. And I respect the heck out of that. And I thought that that spoke a lot about Jalen.

And it's a great gesture. So yeah, yeah, credit to him. Well said. We can talk about how wild it is that they don't have them in the first place. Yeah, yeah. Totally different conversation. But yeah. Different conversation.

It shouldn't be up to athletes to save the day. No, but absolutely. A very, a very nice gesture. I'll say. A meaningful one, yeah. Yeah. All right. What do you got going on this weekend?

Trash stuff. I mean, I'm serious. I got coaching football tonight and coaching baseball tomorrow. But other than that, yeah, I told my wife that I always say my wife. I told Emily, I talked better enough on the show. She has a name. I told Emily. The old ball and chain.

No, definitely not that. She's amazing. I told Emily, next Sunday morning, like, you have me for, you know, there's like three, four months when I can't keep saying I need to write this, I need to research this, like, I'll still be writing and researching stuff. I think we both know that's a lie. But like I'm not going, you know, like she knows that when she goes to sleep tonight, I will be working for the next three, four hours.

And the same thing tomorrow and Sunday, but up until next weekend. And then the football reporter's life is like a lot different post draft, you know. So post draft, you can kind of take a deal. deep breath for a bit and I'm sure I'll add a few other projects my teaching starts in May so I got that on the plate but yeah this this this this this weekend I have that and I have a hard deadline with some book stuff on Sunday night so that is well but that's my weekend what's your weekend plans about the same good get get the cramming in man yes yeah I I have as I said I want to write this piece I'm like 25 thoughts.

I think that'd be a cool piece to put out there. Just, you think that'd be a cool piece to put out there? Yeah, yeah, things that are ruminating. Don't hold yourself to 25. I mean, what if you only have nine thoughts? What if you have 64 thoughts? Don't hold yourself to the...

Well, now I want to write 64, but I thought 25 would be like a strong number, you know? I think 64 would be a little intimidating to the reader. I think you should... I actually think it's better to have a not round number. I think it should be like 27. Ah, that's the old Jeff Haltrick, yes. We need to say that's the Jeff Houtrich.

Yeah, okay. He's the like 77 things I saw in practice today. Yeah, I mean, write the things that are your thoughts. What if you only have 19 thoughts? No, I'd like 19. That's a good number. But yeah, I'm going to get the 25. Spoken like a man who spends a lot of time at the student union center.

My number growing up in, soccer was 19. Oh, in soccer? What position did you play? Left out. You get the joke. That's good. Joy, you laughed at that.

Poor Julia. We got a long, like 10 days ahead, my friend. Yeah. This has only been an hour show. I think we're going to be doing next Saturday. You know what number I was in baseball? 69. No, five.

Yeah. How come? Joe and Rose wore it. Donald McNabb wore it. And I have five siblings. So that was kind of my explanation. That's nice. Yeah.

What number were you? Seven. Why is that? Mickey Metal. Ah, someone you watched a lot. Yep. Your dad's favorite player? No, my mom's favorite player.

Very nice. I respect that. There you go. Okay. We were all, all the wolves. All the wolves wear seven. Respect that. Well done.

It's like well done. It's like, well done. It's like, it's, it makes it sound empty when you're saying well done about a thing that doesn't need to be well done. Well said. Just a thing. A wonderful sentiment. That's, yes.

All right. Let's finish up with the week here. Strong week. We got next week's going to be awesome. Monday. Do you want to say who's coming in? Can we tease it? Jalen hurts.

That'd be great. Good. You're the one who wants to land the plane. I'm happy to sit here for the next 45 minutes. Well, is it efficient? Is it locked in? Monday's guests? I believe so.

Les Bowen, major contributor for PHLY. He has a piece up now. He had his first piece earlier this week. The role that he's contributing to our website. Man, he's going to be here with us. Pleasure to have Les right on all-H-Ly.com. We're going to have Les on Monday. We'll play Turkey's to the Kingdom with Les.

We'll see how he does. Tuesday, we're going to have Bo's favorite co-host ever. Shield Capati is going to be in here. Shio Capati is going to be in here. We'll be doing which game for that. That one will be the game in which we name the players. We think the Eagles are going to draft that I dominated last year. What's the name of that?

That is Owl you know. Al you know. Yes. Okay. The Eagles will draft. Okay. Wednesday, mock draft Wednesday. We give you our final seven round mock draft.

maybe someone will hit predict the first round pick correctly for the fourth year in a row just saying um uh you're looking at me I'm tempting you uh Thursday we are here Thursday we are here Thursday throughout the entire first round um it's going to be fun of us it's going to be fun it's going to be loopy um but we're looking forward to that got some great graphics We got the best producer in the business helping us out. And Friday, same thing. Saturday.

Saturday's going to be like six hours. Excited for that. And then Sunday I sleep or not sleep, but I'll go to brunch with my family. So basically pretending like he is God. He's framing it as on Sunday he'll rest. But anyways, that's the week ahead next week. All right. Thanks to everybody for listening and watching this episode of PHLY Eagles podcast.

Thank you to Dane Brugler for joining us for Julia and the Lord himself. I am Bo. We thank you for spending time with us. Lots to talk about and get to next week. We are closing in on the draft. Lots of good stuff. So for all of us here at PHY, thank you. We'll talk to you on Monday.

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