PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | Mailbag: Should the Philadelphia Eagles find Dallas Goedert’s eventual replacement?

Episode Date: February 23, 2024

We’re opening up the mailbag, with questions that include whether the Eagles should be in the tight end market, which second-year and third-year player is set for a breakout, and more on Nick Sirianni’s future. Plus, there are coaching staff updates. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

And welcome to a Friday edition of the P-H-L-Y Eagles podcast. I'm Zach Berman here in studio with Rich Hoffman. Bo Wolf is not here today, so in Bo's honor, we get to do a mailbag, something that Bo does not always enjoy doing, or it's not his favorite type of show, but we want to give the people what they want today. And that's a mailback. Before we start, Rich, could be back with you again. How you doing?

Zach, I'm good. You're looking rested from your vacation. I'm rested. I was sitting there watching you and Bo for three shows. I had a full, I had a notes app full of notes. I enjoyed it. Bo took it a little easier on you than he does on me sometimes. But I especially appreciated the conversation about the pickup basketball.

Sure. And I'm thrilled that we have a good shooter right here at the desk as you made player. Absolutely. We're trying to get you better, man. How many games left in the season? Are you done? No, we have about. six, seven weeks to go.

Oh, man. This is a long season. Long season, yeah. I'm missing Monday's game for the Combine. That's next week. We'll have more on that. I'm missing one for the owner's meetings, but I'll be there for the postseason.

That's what matters. You got to load, man. This is like too many games, man. Yeah, well, you build it up. You get to team chemistry, and then you've got a peak at the right time. Probably similar to the Sixers, right? Sure.

Now, before we get going on the mailbag, some news this morning, the first being that the Eagles finally finalized their coaching staff. We've been waiting for it here. And I won't give you the entire staff. You can see it on our social media accounts. We'll have something on PHLY. The new coaches, Vic Fangio Kellan Moore,

offensive and defensive or I should say defensive and offensive coordinators, respectively, then Christian Parker, passing game coordinator slash defensive backs coach, Clint Hurd, who we've discussed, defensive line and senior defensive assistant. Roy Anderson, cornerbacks coach, Joe Casper, Safety's coach. He's a former Eagles assistant who comes back. Bobby King, the inside linebackers coach, Doug Nussmeyer, the quarterback's coach,

and Kyle Valero, the offensive assistant. Returning coaches with new titles, T.J. Pagnetti, the run game specialist slash assistant offensive line coach takes over for Roy Svan. Ronnell Williams, he's assistant linebacker's coach and defensive quality control moves over from the Nichols back coach. Tyler Scudders, now defensive quality control, and Tyler Yelk, now head coach quality control. And then the returning coaches, there are a number of them. We don't need to get

in all of them. Most of the offensive staff remains, notably Aaron Moorhead still the wide receivers coach. And the only coach back on the defensive side of the ball in the same role is Jeremiah Wasburn, who's the DN slash outside linebackers coach. So I have a few quick thoughts, but at the top, what jumps out to you about this new staff? Well, we're going to lean on you for more of this because I'm not as into the weeds on this. So, yeah, it's like you said, on offense, there's more continuity. So it's kind of like Kellyn Moore is perhaps running things, but I guess maybe they kept some of the infrastructure to keep Nick maybe feeling, you know,

a little bit at home. And then on the defense, it's like you said, Jeremiah Washburn is the only name that I remembered, like looking at that group. It seems like Vic has his guys there. That seems like the big theme. You downplayed your understanding of the situation because you hit it on the head there. The big takeaway here is that they really didn't make many offensive changes here.

They gave Callan Moore a quarterbacks coach and an offensive assistant. That's it, basically. The rest, it's not just holdovers. It's people who've been with Siriani since he became the head coach. So that goes to show you that they didn't necessarily think the offense needed major overhaul there. And it's the opposite on defense. They have changes at all three levels here.

Waspurn is the only one back. And what jumps out here on the defensive staff to me is that you have people with legitimate NFL position coaching and even coordinator experience. And given the timing of the coaching changes last year, the Eagles had a college-heavy staff. They had a linebacker's coach and a deep backs coach who had not been position coaches at the NFL level. Most of their experience was at the college level.

And even Tracy Rocker and experienced defensive line coach had not been a coordinator before at the NFL level. Now you have coaches at all three levels who have steep NFL experience. Clinton Hurt has coordinator experience. Christian Parker is someone who's worked with Vic Fangio.

So I think the reimagined defensive staff is the headline here. And we'll see how it goes. But this clearly, it's the biggest staff shakeup they've had during Siriani's time. Yeah, I mean, they probably like Ronnell Williams a little bit to keep him around in a different role. I know

he's like a local guy. This is one of your one of your favorites. Okay, two more questions on this. Because Bo and I talked about this, I think on Monday when the news was announced, are you surprised that Aaron Moorhead is back? Slightly surprised. I thought that was a position where they

might turn it over similar to what they did with the quarterback's coach. Aaron Moorhead, who, I mean, look, A.J. Brown, Devante Smith, have had outstanding seasons under him, and you can say, well, those are talented players. He's still the receivers coach. But typically, when you bring in a new offensive philosophy, you're looking at quarterback's coach and wide receivers coach and potentially a line coach, but they're not going to change Jeff Stalind. And actually, there are whispers that was part of maybe the hang up when they were talking to Cliff Kingsbury. what's Jeff Stoutland's role. Jeff Stoutland cemented as the online's coach. So when you look at where they could make changes on the offensive coaching staff,

I did think wide receiver was a spot where they might turn it over and Kellan Moore would bring in someone he has a background with. Clearly, that's not the case. Yeah, I mean, it's like you said, especially because the wide receivers should be doing something different this year.

Like they should be doing the thing where you like run behind the quarterback parallel to the line. Should do that every once in a while. They should do the thing where they like stand next to each other sometimes confuses the defense. So yeah, I would like to see that. The other thing that stood out, and this is probably just a stupid question, what is head coach quality control?

Isn't that big Dom's job? No, all right, good question, because actually people ask this on social media. So quality control is basically you're doing kind of the grunt work, and you typically have offensive and defensive quality controls. So it's a lot of logging plays and different. trends and you're basically, yeah, you're doing the grunt work on the offensive and defensive side. My presumption, and I haven't spoken to anyone in the building about this yet, but the head coach quality control is a lot of the game management decisions. He's putting this together for,

he's putting the data and digging things up for Nick Siriani. So he's basically getting the information for Nick Seriani. That would be my presumption. Quality control coach, are how a lot of coaches come up in the business. Now, you could frame it in different ways. You often hear it termed as like head coach assistant, right? Which, interestingly, is how Sean McDermott started here and how Brett Veach started here when Andy Reed was the coach. So they've had different people in that role, including the Tyler's, Tyler Scudder, Tyler Yelk.

A lot of Tyler's. Yeah, so to call it the head coach quality control, that is. my guess for how they're approaching this. So you think he could be like the Pagnetty version on this on this team? I don't know if it's the game management as much as kind of putting the data together.

He still might have someone in the booth doing that, but it's a good question. I don't have a strong answer for that. It's something I'll dig in more when we're in indie next week. Zach, I need a hipster name to yell out when other people are yelling at Siriani for a bad time out or you know, I

need to hold somebody accountable. So I I hope it's Tyler Yolk. Well, in Sirianni's first year, that was Jim Bob Cooter. And I imagine Jim Bob Cooter is probably a more fun name to call out than Tyler Yolk. But I will get to the bottom of that for you. Also, one other piece of information that came out last night. And for those who watched Flew World Order last week and are keeping stats, this is a big development for Bull Wolf. And perhaps it's a big development for the Eagles, too.

Albert O is back. Albert, I hope I'm pronouncing this correctly. You deserve to have your name pronounced. Albert Oku-Agg-Banam. If I butcher that, I am sorry. I've been working on it. Actually, Andrew, our producer today, might have heard me listening to the Google pronunciation

that tried to get it down. Oh, I heard you. I was across the room. Okay, yeah. I played it, played it, played it, but I played it at about 11.30. We're at 1210 right now, and Okulbebam... I'm sorry. I saw like this is, I'm giving love to Bill Simmons here.

I grew up listening to the BS report and then the Bill Simmons podcast. Just butchered names. And I, yeah, and he was always butchering names. And I'm doing the same thing now that I have my show here. So, uh, but Alberto O is back when you first saw that. And this is actually a question in the mailbag, so it's a little tease. But what was your initial reaction? Well, first off, I want to address the inability to pronounce because remember Big V was the last guy.

but because he became such an integral part of these Eagles, everybody eventually knew, holo Plovati, right? That's how you say it. Well done. Albert, oh, look, exactly. And I'm going to steal, I think this is another Bill Simmons thing, too. Anytime you can resign somebody who had one target all season, despite being on the roster all season,

and despite the starter at his position missing significant time, you just have to do it. this was one of the more curious years that an eagle has had not in in this perspective so he had a great final preseason game with the Broncos then it comes out that the Broncos are are going to are are going to waive him right the Eagles are on the bottom of the waiver wire and they don't want him to go to waivers so they trade and they make like a a minimal trade but they trade in in order to get him so you bring him in you give up a pick you by doing that you're you're you're making sure that, all right, he's on your roster.

So seemingly you have plans for him, right? Then they bury him as the fourth tight end. They keep him there. He was, by the way, 1130. He's on that inactive list. Yes, a lot. Yeah. And then like you mentioned, Goddard goes down.

And you have people like me saying, watch out for Albert O, pass catching tight end. They throw to the ball to them one time. It was like a garbage time play against the Niners. Okay. then they need a roster spot in like early December. Christian Ellis, they wave Christian Ellis keeping Alberto. But then they still don't play Alberto. Right?

And so then finally they put Alberto on Phantom IR. And I imagine there was a real injury. This was actually the last week or second last week of the season to bring Avanti Manix back up. So you figure, given all of this, Alberto finally has this chance. the hit free agency. He'll go to a place where, all right, maybe he'll have more of a role in the offense. But no, Albert O, the Eagles make it a February priority to keep Albert O, and Alberto O wants to sign. So clearly, the Eagles like him enough to want him to see him in training camp. And Alberto thinks there's going to be enough of an opportunity.

And we'll get to it actually a few times during the mailbag, but the Eagles are going to be playing, you know, 12 personnel, and they do need to upgrade that second tight end. It's just odd to me that he was in the building and you didn't want to see him last year, but now you want to see him during camp this year. Especially when your offense was, I mean, look, as we know, it wasn't bad, but it was underperforming relative to the talent level. You might as well try something different. I thought De Niz said something funny on Twitter. He said it's hard not to respect the bit here.

Yes. They're just completely doubling down. And I mean, you know, maybe a Rashad Penny extension is coming next to, you know. That would be the funniest part. because actually in my notes from the World Order, next to Rashad Penny, I wrote, wouldn't this be funny? And if Alberto's the opening act for Rashad Penny,

then I would just say, Howie, you stump me, man. Good for you. Good for you. And before we transition to the mailbag, two quick housekeeping items here, make sure you are reading Rich Hoffman's daily newsletter. It's the best newsletter in Philly Sports. I read it every day,

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We talked about tight end. That's a good transition to the mailbag. Our first mailbag question. has to do with tight down. And I should ask you real quick. Thoughts on a mailbag? Are you a fan of it? Do you think it's a tired form? Love it. Come on. I mean, you're interacting with the audience, right? You are, I get it. They're doing half the work there coming up with show topics. But hey, we do a show every day. I think it's okay to have one of these once in a while. What is Bo's objection to it? Do you think it's lazy? So I far be it from you to ever put words in Bo's mouth because if I do it, I would never hear at the end of it. I will let Bo defend his. view on mailbags on Monday. My presumption is Bo who, and I'm saying this, is amazing

host and amazing creating like different ways of content. I think he likes the creative. I think he wants to think a step beyond. Like if everyone else is doing mailbags, Bo wants to put his own spin on it.

So that's my presumption is it's not unique enough but I wrote this in the mailbag we had on all PHLY the other day. I grew up reading Bill Simmons' mailbag. Second Bill Simmons shout out today, right? And I want to know what's on the mind of the audience. So it's like reading the comment section, which I always do.

So that's the background for my affinity for mailbags. It's a good Friday topic. And look, again, I don't want to put words in Bow's mouth either, although I probably won't get the pushback that you would. But yeah, I think he's just kind of a perfectionist, right? He wants to get creative and, you know, figure out other ways to do it, which I can respect. But for us who are a little lazier in terms of just, you know, just give us the questions. I think Friday mailbag is really good.

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So what's the plan for Indy? The plan for Indy is we're there Monday through Thursday. We're going to talk to Howie Roseman and Nick Siriani on Tuesday. We're doing live shows there Tuesday and Wednesday, talking to a number of other coaches. On Wednesday, we'll talk to some defensive players. Looking forward to speaking to Jeremiah Trotter,

your fellow St. Joe's prep alum. And yes, we're not just going to have live shows there. I think we might have some emergency pods as well. So I look forward to the combine. This is my 12th combine because they did not have one during COVID, or the year after COVID. the 2021 season, but yeah, pumped to be out there. Let me ask you, what is the setup or what's the kind of environment like when Howie and

Nick take those questions? It feels like they're kind of up on a very awkward podium. There's just a group of people around them, not like in the auditorium at NovaCare, not sitting down. It's almost like a concert type setting, and it's only what, like 10, 15 minutes? Yeah, it's 15 minutes each. It's similar to what you described about Mount Jenkins's press conference the other day, where there's no flow to these. So one question is, is like, let's say someone asks about this D-Gun report. You know, do you need Big Dom there? And then the next question is from a fantasy football person, like, who's your third running back going to be next year? And then you have a report.

Yeah. So there's not as much flow to those, but it's the first time that they're speaking since that end of season press conference. It's always anticipated in the, that regard. Some teams, the Eagles have done this in the past, and hopefully they do this this year. You get a chance to speak to the guys on the side, too, the beat writers do. And you, so you're kind of getting some of the questions that are different than those 15 minutes. But a big part of the combine, in addition to those press conferences, you're just seeing people from around the league. And it's really the unofficial start of free agency. I know the league has, like, the legal tampering period. The tampering period really begins at the Combine.

That's when agents are there. Everyone in the NFL is there. It's a big convention. And you start to get a sense of which free agents are coming back, which free agents aren't, who's available via trade, who isn't. You get some intel on the draft prospects. So it really is the start of the NFL offseason. How many of these have you been to? Yeah, so this is 12. Oh, wow. So do you have a whole like, I mean, you know the way of the land. I've spent a lot of time in Indy. And when I was at the Inquirer, I used to do like six, seven days at the combine. Oh, man.

And now at PHY, we're going for three days, still a good enough time to get. That's plenty. Well, yeah, I mean, if you want to talk to all the prospects, you've got to stay through the weekend. But we're going to be there for a good amount to have all the info for our listeners. Good. So, yeah, so let's get right into the mailback. I put out the call yesterday afternoon. Got a bunch of questions.

We appreciate all of them. Some of them we're not getting to. but let's start with the one on the tight ends. Here we go. Dallas Goddert's past the age Zach Ertz was when he himself was drafted. Should we expect how he to try to find a trade for him and draft a tight end? And some context here, and we mentioned this on the show yesterday, like Yishmeister said, I hope I'm pronouncing that correct Yishmeister, that not just is Dallas Gowder older than when he was drafted. He's older than Brent Selwick was when the Eagles drafted Zachert.

So the Eagles are thinking of succession plans at this position. How do you see tight end working out? So some context, too. I know in the long history of this podcast, the word resources has been a buzzword. And I think if you go back all the way to 2018 when Dallas Goddard was drafted, it was a controversial pick in these corners of Eagles media at the time. I don't think it was as controversial to just, you know, WIP or just like, the mainstream outlets or whatever.

But resource allocation media, yes. They just drafted a tight end in the second round. So the first thing I would say about that is I am a little worried about how Dallas Goddard is going to age. Like even more than just looking at his age, Zach, for like such a physical player and somebody who had a down year this year as well, I finally starting to worry a little bit. That said, I also don't think tight end should be like their first or second priority here. So I'm curious where you kind of land on this one.

Yeah, so this is a position I would watch closely for the reasons that were outlined there. I don't think the Eagles did a good enough job utilizing Dallas Goddard last year. That's fair. But when you look at Dallas Goddard's contract, when you look at the age trajectory, this is a position that you're looking at 2025, 26. This could be your starting tight end. And in addition to that, Kellan Moore likes to play two tight-end sets. So I would certainly watch out for it. I think it's a decent tight end draft class.

You have an elite tight end available in the first round. That's Brock Bowers. The thought is Brock Bowers wouldn't fall to the Eagles in the 20s. Now, I mentioned him a few weeks ago as a potential trade-up candidate. It would surprise me if you give up assets to trade up for a tight end. But Brock Bowers is, you know, it's similar to the Kyle Pitts conversation from a few years ago that you're looking at a player based on talent is a top 10 player in this draft.

But you probably don't want to allocate those types of resources to a tight end, and you wonder if the Falcons would have done it differently. But Brock Bowers, if you look at him as just like a pass-catching wideout, man, he's really good in that regard. I know Boas talked about maybe getting a number three wide receiver, and that could kind of be the de facto number three receiver. Exactly.

If you frame it like that, then, it could make sense if he falls into those middle-late teens. Now, in the, my, I don't want to be one of those guys who's like mock draft 1.0, right? I do these different mock drafts as an exercise to kind of show different combinations of what the Eagles would do. It's not necessarily predictive at this, at this stage, as much as it is, a thought exercise, right? What do you mean by that? You don't like the 1.0? You don't like 1.8?

No, no, no. I mean, I don't like when some reporters are like, I had this in my mock draft and you do like nine different mock draft. Oh, yeah. Because then like you have at that point, you know, if they have three picks in the first two rounds, you have 27 guys that you said they could draft in the first year rounds. Yeah, of course you might have projected this, okay? So. Is that what reporters do? Like you noticed like after April big, I had him in one of my momtracks.

You had 10 mock drafts. You listed everybody that could have drafted. Probably times two. Exactly. And so I will not do it. I'm going to start doing that. I do a call back to my final mock draft because that's the predictive one. That's not the exercise.

But the one I had back last month, which is the first one I did, I put Jatavian Sanders from Texas as a second round pick. And I say that because I think Jotavian Sanders is a really good player. I actually like all three of the Texas pass catchers in this draft, Xavier Worthy, Adonai, Mitchell. and then Jatavian Sanders. But I think Jatavian Sanders, he's one of the younger players in the draft. He's explosive. It's good size. If that's your second round pick and you develop him and you have a role for him in year one

and he can become your God of replacement, I would watch out for that. Yeah, that sounds better to me. We talked about Bowers and resources. I would prefer them not to take Bowers in the first round. I'm just, I'm more of a premium position type of person. The old Howie Roseman draft a pass rush or a tackle receiver. even a corner, like those type of things. I would prefer that over Brock Bowers.

Although, look, I've watched him. He's terrific, you know? But I think that also would put a ton of pressure on, if you draft him, that guy better be, like, really good. Yeah, exactly. Say the thing, too, about, as you mentioned, like, the financial difference between, like, a premium tight end does not get paid as much money

as a, you know, a premium corner or a premium pass rusher. Like, if you land on one of those players, like you were saying before the show, if you land on Jalen Carter, it's more of a team-building advantage, right? Exactly. And this is, I'm glad you brought that up. This is a point that the NFL networks Daniel Jeremiah made recently, and it's something I've been speaking about if you've been reading my coverage and watching the PHLY show and Birds with Friends for a few years now,

that Hallie Rosebid, one of the things that they look at is the delta between what, top of the league player is at that position. So you can see that by looking at the franchise player values and what the rookie contract is. And simply said, if you hit on a tight end in the first round of the draft, he's not making that much less percentage-wise than if you hit on an offensive tackle,

an edge rusher, a defense tackle, a quarterback, a wide receiver, right? So that difference there, when you talk about positional value, there's a reason why running backs, linebackers, safeties, you find them in middle rounds of the draft, you find them on the free agent market, and I would put tight ends in that group, whereas you don't necessarily find left tackles or premium edge rushers.

And I made that point on yesterday's show with Les Bowen, I hope everyone checks out. Les was an awesome guest, that the reason why edge rushers and tackles and quarterbacks and receivers go so high, in the draft, and those other positions don't. It's not just because they're important positions, it's because in order to land these premium players,

you need to do it high, number one, and when you have one and he's on that fixed rookie contract, it's such a pronounced difference compared to some of these other positions. Yeah, and I usually thought of that in the context of the quarterback. That's like the only way I had really thought about it, but it makes sense that there are other positions where, okay, yeah, you're not getting that much surplus value as you are from a quarterback on a rookie contract. The Jaylon Hertz is the Brock.

purities right now. But like if you land on a tackle, like that, that'll really help you for three or four years here. Exactly. If they take, let's say, Amarius Mims or Tyler Gighton, and that guy becomes Lane Johnson's replacement. And I'm not saying he's as good as Lane Johnson, but there's, you know, a $18, $20 million delta in what you're paying relative to if you took a linebacker or a tight end. Well, but then we get into the conversation about the tackle. If you don't play him in the first year, then you actually are not getting that value. Similar to Andre Diller. Yep, exactly.

That's a good point. Next one up here is, and this is a fun one, and this is actually going to be a topic for an article later this offseason, but which second or third year player on the Eagles do you expect to make the biggest jump this coming season? I'll let you go first. I mean, I think it's probably Jalen Carter, just, and really for me, it's not really the jump in terms of, like, his best plays. I was blown away by his, like, seven or eight best plays this year,

just completely, you know, you know, game-wrecking ability, bursting through the line, throwing guys, spin moves. He really felt like kind of a more advanced pass rusher than a lot of people thought earlier in the year. My thing is he's just got to do that in December. Yep. Late November, December. It felt like he very much hit the rookie wall. And I expect, you know, in year two, year three, that he will continue to progress and maybe, you know, spread out that dominance.

Yeah, well said. The one that jumps out the most is John Carter for the one. that you mentioned. The situational one is Tyler Steen, is that if Jason Kelsey retires and Cam Juergen slides over to center, and Tyler Steen, it's not a given that he would be your starting right guard, but if he is, you're starting right guard in that case, then that's a player who would obviously take a jump simply from playing time alone. The one that they need the most is Nacobie Dean. And you heard Halle Roseman mentioned that they're still counting on Nicopa Dean. You've heard the show the past two days with Les yesterday and Josh Tolentino the day before

when we were breaking down the Nicobi Dean part of it and how they can't necessarily rely on him. And then kind of the hipster one, I don't know if I'm using that correctly, but kind of the one that like when you're having a Miller Light with your friends and this question comes up and you want to really know, I would say Keeley Ringo. Absolutely. And you did a good job discussing this on Monday show. Keele Ringo, from the time he was in training camp to the time he was actually getting starting reps, there was an enormous jump. And I wrote a piece when I talked to different starters. This was in the middle of the year, which, like, practice squad or down their roster player is making you better.

And A.J. Brown said Keele Ringo has a chance to be, like, a top cornerback in the league. And people were reading that, and they always were going off the preseason. and they're like, what are he talking about here? And then he had that first game or the first extended action where he has the penalty on the first drive, and it's like, all right, what's AJ talking about here? I think we saw the tools that Keely Ringgo has. And the thing I can't emphasize enough

is Keely Ringo was the youngest player on the team last year. He's going to be 21 this year. If Keeler Ringo was in this draft, I mean, we're talking about Lassner from Georgia as a second round pick, maybe late first. I mean, I would say Keel Ringo was above him on Georgia's depth chart last year. I think Keelier Ringo, given what he ran, given the way he can play, he'd probably be a late first, second round pick this year.

Now, I know that's like a Howie O's been talking point when they traded a third rounder for him, but I would really pay attention to Keel Ringo pushing for a starting spot. I agree with you. And, you know, when you look back, I remember there was that preseason game where he was a nightmare in that game. But then you fast forward to when they needed him to make a few spot starts, right? He was good. I believe it was the Seattle Monday night game where. where he had some really good reps. They weren't really throwing towards him.

Now, in fairness, it was Drew Locke, who, you know, obviously killed the Eagles at the end of that game. But yeah, it's funny because I did in my newsletter today, I kind of just rounded up a bunch of mock drafts and just saw, like, outside of you, just like, where people projecting the Eagles are going to go right now? Just, you know, it's stupid, but it's also fun. There were a ton of cornerbacks that got listed.

They were different players, too. It was Kool-Aid McKinstree. Great name. There are some great names in this draft. Quinion Mitchell. There were a couple other guys who I'm forgetting. The kid from Missouri, too, I'm blanking on his name. It's Ellis Rankstraw.

Another great name, really. Chop Robinson is not a... Yeah, at Druscher, but yeah. That's another great name. So, yeah, I thought Keely Ringo certainly got a lot better at the end of the year. So he would be somebody who, like, as many needs as this team has, and look, they just need to draft a good point. player in the first round. But, you know, like resource-wise, I think there are probably other

positions that I would target before cornerback because it's like, all right, run it back with Slay. Hopefully Ringo gets the job. You know, as Bo has kind of said, maybe you bring in a Stephen Nelson type, some veteran who applies very weak pressure towards, you know, that job and competing for it. But, you know, he certainly has the tools to be pretty good. Also something Jeremiah said yesterday, he, Daniel Jeremiah has about 14. the 15 corners ranked with grades in the first three rounds. So I think there's depth

in this year's class. The next question here. By the way, speaking of the Kobe Dean, it seems like with how Howie has talked about him, he's already made that jump, you know? Yeah, seriously. Like he's already... They're always singing in practice.

Yeah, exactly. You're only seeing in practice. This is an interesting one from... I'm sorry, Yashke, is it Zoydberg, a long-time listener. It's February 22nd, 2025, Water Gun, Deer Back. Kellan Moore is A, head coach of another team, B, offensive coordinator of the Eagles,

C, out of the job, D, head coach of the Eagles. So let's rank these in order. Yep. Most likely, obviously, we're playing percentages here. So what would be your number one? Number one offensive coordinator of the Eagles. That they don't have a year when everything turned, you know, they have a good year. Siriani's back.

It's not good enough that he's number one on the coaching list, but that he might be the hot candidate going into the following year. So I had that third because I am viewing this as just boom or bust. Okay. And so to me, the idea that, and like, look, there is a certain percentage where you're right. Like they have a decent year. Maybe they make the divisional round. Jalen plays better.

He handles the blitz better. But Kellyn Moore just doesn't get a head coaching job for whatever reason. But for me, I think it's just going to be boom or bust, where the number, and the number one choice for me is out of a job. And that is because Nick Siriani gets fired and, you know, Ben Johnson is the coach next year. And there isn't quite the same need for Kellyn Moore. Now, hey, maybe Bill Belichick would get brought in and he likes Kellynmore, although he'd probably just bring back Matt Patricia around the offense next year.

That's true. A lot of familiar. It already worked, right? Yeah. But that was my first. So my second one is head coach of another team. Okay. Where it's kind of just a boom or bust thing,

where if Jalen has a great season, Kellan Moore becomes kind of a hot head coaching name and, you know, like usually seven or eight coaching availability. Sure. It was eight this year, you're right. You know, I know there were a couple of defensive names that got jobs this year, but ultimately I think offense is kind of a tiebreaker and teams look towards the young play caller

because it's harder to replace that offensive coordinator leaving every year. So those are my top two. I would, I hear your point there. I think status quo, I'm sticking with number one. I think the least likely's head coach of the Eagles. I think that if Siriani's fired, the Eagles are doing a search from ground zero, it's not just promoting Kellen Moore. That would be my guess. That was a good one.

I'm sorry for butchering the name. I know the handle very well, not the pronunciation. The head coach one, the only way I could see that happening is they have just a terrible. start to the season and Nick gets fired and Kellan is the interim coach and then they have like a great year and he has to be the head coach because he's done such a great job but I also think that's the least likely. Yeah and then there's sometimes an argument don't put the offensive coordinator there because he has enough responsibility as it is. You look at like Jamal Singleton who's an assistant head coach or Kevin Patuo who's the associate head coach. I would put Clint Hurt there and just have

him the first guy off. Yeah right. I mean you know I would send him out for the opening coin toss that would be my play I think they should do that. Just in January. I mean, Nick Siriani, I know they said they were bringing them back. Yeah. Clint hurt, just like roaming the sidelines looking tough. I would love that. I think that's like a two-win advantage right there.

Something to think about there. That's advanced analytics. The next one here, and you can see the handle here, wanted the counterpoint you made today regarding trading Hassan Reddick. You said edge rushers options might be thin, so teams could be more willing to trade for Reddick. the same point make the Eagles prefer to keep them, given limited options to replace them. I'll jump on this question first because this is something that I made.

I hear your point. My counter to that is there's different market dynamics at play. There's only so many guys you can pay $25 million contracts to, right? So the Eagles are already paying J.1 Hertz, and they're already paying H.A. Brown. They're going to have to pay Devante Smith. They're already paying Lane Johnson. They have so many, you know, they have Darius Lay on a big deal. they have Jordan Milot on a decent deal.

But point being, I think that if they were going to give Hassan Redick a $23 to $25 million contract, it probably would be done without this go seek a trade. So I think if someone's willing to give that price and trade for Reddick, then it might be a number that the Eagles just simply can't hit, given the way that they're allocating resources. And you say, all right, would you rather pay, Hassan Reddick, $23, $24, $25 million, or let's say get a second and fifth round pick back

and also say sign an edge rusher for $10 to $12 million, draft somebody, you're developing Nolan Smith, you have Josh Sweat. I think that might be the option, just when you look at the market dynamics. So I know it depends on compensation and kind of where they can sign each player to what number, but where are you right now,

just all things being equal on the great Reddick sweat debate of 2024. Well, I think Reddick's the better player. Sweets younger. Sweets bigger. But, and look, anyone who watch this knows, I think Sweets a really good player. I'm not as concerned about Sweets' injury history as maybe some other people who are. He's just, he's been able to say healthy. It's kind of one of those things that's attached to his name.

But if you simply looked at the snaps, the game played, he has. hasn't been hurt. You can say how much time does he have left on those knees? I haven't seen evidence that he's slowing down. Now, he did slow down this year, not health-wise. I just think he took on a big enough workload. But the reality is, when you look at the run that Hassan Reddix had four years now with double-digit sacks each year, he's been one of the elite pass rushers in the league the past two years. Hassan Reddick is simply a better, a better edge rusher. And I know Josh Sweck goes against better tackles, that needs to be pointed out, depending, you know, you look at the side that he's that he's rushing on. But I simply think that Reddick's the better

player. But when you look at age, when you look at contract, when you look at potential compensation, those are all things you need to consider. And you think the Josh Allen's and Brian Burns of the world are probably going to stay in their places. Yeah, I think they'll be tagged. The one that I would watch is Bryce Huff from the Jets if he does not get tagged. But if he's the top guy on the market, I don't know if the Eagles pay up for him. Makes sense. Yeah. Next one here is this is on a scale 1 to 10.

How excited should I be for the Albert O comeback tour? We referenced this earlier in the show. I don't know how long this comeback tour will last. I think you'll get the preseason from Albert O. And then maybe more. But let's tie this into the first question, too. Do you see any pathway where Albert O is like a top two tight end for the Eagles next year? I mean, based on past evidence, no, but based on how much they seem to be valuing him, like, maybe.

I mean, obviously, the Eagle's second and third tight ends are not like star players by any means. Jack Stoll and Grand Calcutra here. Fairly replaceable guys, no offense to them. I guess here's the one positive I can muster. That preseason football is as bad as it has ever been, where they just teams just don't care about it. And that's, you know, that's their prerogative. it's fine, but it does stink. The Eagles, at least in game three, have quite a combination.

Tanner McKee throwing to Albert O. That will get people to watch. Totally. And I mean, Albert O looked like Grunk in the third preseason game for the Broncos last year. That was the big talking point. Man, look at this game this guy's having. They're throwing the ball to him every time he's getting open, but it was the third preseason game.

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I do want, Andrew, can you, the one question I want to get to Before we get to the BS. Kind of a silly question before that, because I prepared this one. Can you pull up the Dawkins question in the mailbag? Oh, I like this. Because I thought that was something I've thought about a lot watching Eagles games. Not just Brian Dawkins. It's kind of the other element of the question.

This is a fun one here, the Dawkins one. Thanks. I appreciate that, Andrew. You have two options. You can either get hit by Dawkins in the open field or be under the tush push pile. and that's from Joe underscore Connors 81. And I'm curious what the sickos have to say in the comments about this one,

because I thought about this for a few minutes. And Joe, great question. And to me, I think ultimately it ends up being no question. Brian Dawkins, you're allowed to destroy me in the open field. Go ahead. Because I look at the bottom of that tush push pile and Jason Kelsey getting up, and really any sort of pile, like a fumble, loose ball, somebody at the bottom of those.

and I get secondhand claustrophobia, Zach. That seems absolutely miserable. And also all the stories you read about, I guess this wouldn't happen in the tush push pile as much because Jalen has the ball and he's kind of in the middle of it. But just guys fighting for the ball and getting punched and trying to come out first with that football, that seems like one of the most miserable experiences in the world.

That's not to say that getting smoked in the open field by Brian Dawkins would be a good thing, but at least it would happen quickly. Like the idea of being under all those offensive linemen for, you know, 10, 50 in seconds, uh-uh, I'm not doing that. So I'm actually pushing back on this one. So you're taller than me, which isn't saying much. But if you take a penny and from where you are, you drop it on my head, my ding, it won't hurt that much. But if you stand on the top floor of our building here and I'm below us and you drop the penny, that's going to hurt quite a bit. So Brian Dawkins has that running start in the open field.

He's pummeling me to the ground. I would prefer to have a bunch of people jump on me from a short distance than Brian Dawkins with acceleration coming at me and knocking me to the ground. Well, I also guess it depends on what type of hit it is. Okay. If he has like a 15-yard running start. That's what I was interpreting. If you're the running back, you know, getting the screen and he has a free shot at you, then yeah. I'm hoping that Doc has to work his way through a linebacker maybe or, you know,

not a guard or something like that. But I understand it. And I do think I did like the comment. I feel like I owe it to Dawkins to let him blast me after all these years or whatever. So, yeah, neither of those would be good. But I don't know, man, those, the bottom of those piles, just considering that pretty much everybody lying on top of you is 300 pounds as well. I don't know.

I watch football games, and that really freaks me out, honestly. It's maybe I'm a little bit strange, but it just seems tough. Also, I would do what Devante does and just gets as far away from the touch push as I could. Oh, totally, but you don't have the option here. That's true. That's true. That's a good one. I'm sorry, Andrew, we're going to go out of order here.

I appreciate Rich bringing that up because we're already at 1251. We're not going to get all the questions, but there's one I really wanted to hit on. This was a late submission, the A.J. Brown question, which was the last question. And I bring this up because this is in the, the film. I don't want to put too much attention to what's said on social media, but this is a topic of conversation. Had the recent comments from AJ Brown around the media and comments being misconstrued make you feel any kind of way about being on the beaten Philly or feel there's any kind of substance to his claims. And so this is just kind of an entry point to talking about AJ Brown. Look, I want to be honest with our audience here.

We do a show every day, right? we love it it's it's fun but but we need stuff to talk about every day that's just the reality of this format it might be different than in a previous role where you're writing just a few times a week and you can say all right you know i don't need something to write about every day so but there's also a responsibility among those talking to are you reacting to news are you analyzing news or are you creating news. And I just bring that up because there are real issues with the Eagles that are worthy of discussion. There are rumors and innuendo sometimes that are worthy of discussion. And then there's sometimes topics that you say, this is a big name, this is going to get people

to talk about. And I don't want to be dismissive of fans. Like we talked about with Miller Light, you're sitting around the bar. What are you guys talking about? You're probably talking. If AJ Brown says something on social media, you might be talking about it. So look, that's part of the joy of being a fan. But in my opinion, the Eagles don't have an AJ Brown problem. No, I think you laid it out in your tweet, right? Like the, you remember the year 2020, right, when they're throwing to Travis Folgham 13 times per game,

it's much nicer now where I can just complain about them not throwing the ball to AJ Brown enough. Yeah, I mean, and I don't need to read the whole tweet, But like what I'll say is this. If you simply look at the record books, okay, the two best single-season receiving yards, the two best marks for single-season receiving yards are by A.J. Brown in his two years in Philadelphia. He was the best player on the team last year. He is a franchise-changing player.

He was the – he's on a Hall-Fame trajectory. look at the Eagles offense before he arrived. Look at the Titans' offense since he left. Whatever, if you think there's drama, I'm around AJ Brown quite a bit in that locker room. I don't get the sense that there's that much drama. He can be emotional, but the reality is he is an elite blue chip player, and I would do every, if I was Howie, if I was Jeffrey,

if I was Nick, I would do everything I could to keep AJ Brown happy. And because we talk to Eagles fans on the show every day, I would say, count your lucky stars that he's on your team because there aren't that many players in the league like him. So, and I think you making that point is kind of a good segue to, you know, like the general media criticism of like, and I think you put it well, like, are you actually creating a story? And that's not what you want to do as a media member.

I think part of the issue with probably this, past week and some of the stories that have blown up. Zach, there's nothing to talk about right now. And that's probably the Eagles fault, by the way. You're right. Now, this is a slow time in the calendar. It's like one of the very few really slow times in the calendar. But the, I thought

Les Bowen put it well yesterday when you know, he was talking kind of in that, in that vacuum what takes this place? And man, I'm not saying that if the Eagles had you know, a Vic Fangio

or Kellyn Moore available for press conferences yesterday or this week then that's all we or the talk radio stations or the reporters will be writing about. But there is something to be said about this. And I've made this, I'm not speaking out of turn, I've made this point the people in the Eagles building. In this city, people talk about the Eagles every single day. Every day.

And it's not to drive, right, ratings or traffic, it's because that's, people love the Eagles. People want to talk about the Eagles. And if you are not providing that content, then that content's going to be provided for you. And you, and so, and I've said this last year when the Eagles were, when, when AJ Brown wasn't talking. Like, if you are not creating your own narrative or writing your own narrative, then that narrative is going to be written for you. And in the absence of, your voice, emotions are going to be assigned. So I'm not necessarily sure that's the case here, but to your point, and it's a good one.

This is the, from the Super Bowl to the combine, it's the quietest portion before you get to, like, May and June. Number one, number two, the Eagles have been more quiet than other teams. I follow every team in the league, and teams are introducing their position coaches. They are introducing their coordinators. They're having head coaches and GM speak. There are so many things that the Eagles could do to write the narrative about them right now. They are choosing to stay silent.

And I'm not defending some of the rhetoric that might be out there elsewhere. But I'm saying in the absence of you creating news or you creating content, then news and content could be created for you. Well, and especially it's natural that the news that does get created is negative because guess what? They stunk for the last two months in the year. They really, really stunk. So it's not like it's going to be all sunshine and rainbows there. In general, though, I will say, I do get annoyed at people just lumping the media all in together. Absolutely.

Yeah. You know, like the media. Yeah, there's no committee meetings that. The media hates the Eagles or whatever. No, no, that's not the case, actually. I'm sure. And look, there are times that the media, there are people here that, like you said, they create a story.

And I think, like, come on, like, what's going on here? But the idea that we're all like, you know, putting our heads together and, you know, creating a specific narrative that we're pushing. It doesn't happen. I think for the most part in this crazy media market, and you said it, like Philadelphia, I think it might be the biggest market for football in the entire league. Like maybe Dallas, I know that's more of kind of a national brand, but like compared to the New York teams, that's small market football compared to this because there's two of them and they care about baseball a lot more there. Yeah, you're absolutely right. And I've worked in New York, I would say it gets fragmented because it can be diverted in so many different ways. And I also, by the way, I think it's incumbent upon the listeners, the readers, the viewers, like to discern who do you want, which I don't want to call gatekeepers, but like who are you listening to? Who are you trusting? It's incumbent upon us in the media to be reliance. liable narrators. But in addition to that, the barrier for entry for providing content is lower now than it's ever been, right? I mean, there's just more avenues for it. Social media has allowed

anyone to kind of have an opinion, and that's the world we live in. So it's incumbent upon the consumer to determine who they want to listen to. And that's where, like, I mean, if I can puff our chest out, like, you know, I think this show, Bo and me, and me, and when we have you on it, we're, you know, I would say, you know, I have a 13-year track record of covering the team so the consumer can decide, like, all right, when you think this is important or you think this is not important, you think this is relevant, you think there's something here, you think there's something not. Bo is incredible, in my opinion, at like deciding, all right, there's something here, there's something not here, and we can have reasonable disagreements, but it's incumbent upon the consumer to make that determination as well. Totally.

And one last point, too, like, the idea that the barrier for entry is lower, like, that's been a positive in a lot of ways, too. There are people who kind of break through who do a great job, whether it's like film breakdowns or other things, too, or even just get into more traditional journalism as well. So that's been a good thing, but you also have to be a little bit more discerning now. I just, I lose, I get really frustrated when people say, oh, the entire media is like grow up. Come on. Yeah.

We're almost at time here. Is there anyone that you really wanted to get to here before we sign off? I'm sorry we didn't get to all the questions. Maybe this will be evidence for Bo that we need more mailbags because we got some real good questions. You've got two hours today, man. Exactly. We're some good questions and talking points. There's some of these, like for instance, running backs we'll get into.

There's step out the quarterback, the cornerback depth chart will get into. There's one that I just want to get into here. I'm sorry to put this randomly on you, Andrew, but it's the one that starts with, let's say, the Eagles. And I will read this while it goes on the screen. Let's say the Eagles hadn't signed J. Alan Hertz to a new contract last year. He was still playing on his rookie deal in 2023 with last season. have gone any differently. Is the vibe any different? What sort of contract would he have gotten this offseason? Did they make the right move? And I'll jump on this first in that I think the Eagles

made that move at the right time. You saw after Jalen Hertz signed, there were deals for Lamar Jackson. There were deals for Joe Burrow. And the market rate for quarterbacks are going to continue to go up. I don't necessarily, I do know that new contract, or something you hear, that contract might have pulled Jalen Hertz in different directions. But, I also think that had J.Eleyn been playing for a contract last year, that question of a contract would have always been looming. And actually, it surprises me a bit like with Maxie this year, you know that Max Steel's coming, but it's like it's kind of the undertone of everything. That would have been the subtext, I shouldn't say undertone, subtext for everything that Jalen did this year

is like, you know, is he playing right now because of the, you know, is he playing through an injury because of this. How much is this weighing on his mind? I think if you believe in the quarterback, then it's always better sooner rather than later. Well, and especially too, even if he struggled and took a step back this year, like there are only so many great quarterbacks right now, Zach.

Like I think compared to 10, 15 years ago, like the position is not as deep as it was. So like the idea that Jalen Hertz would not get paid to a pretty large degree, even coming off this last season, I think he would get a lot of money. the open market. And generally, the way these quarterback contracts work is the next guy gets more than the last guy. And you don't want to be in a situation where you have to use the tag and you have

this huge one-year cap obligation. So I think the Eagles acted when they did. But that's a good question. And I appreciate all these questions. I see someone says when the show goes by quickly, it means it's a good show. And this was a fun one. Yeah, I mean, I wonder if Bo is just shaking his head of that where we could have done so many more creative things with it. It's possible. But I'm not sure we're capable of that, Zach. Well, we can count on Bo returning Monday and getting his show notes. I'm curious what he has

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