PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | National reporter James Palmer discusses Vic Fangio’s fit with the Philadelphia Eagles

Episode Date: June 12, 2024

James Palmer has covered Vic Fangio up close and has plenty of deep connections inside the Eagles’ building. What does he think of the pairing of Fangio with Nick Sirianni? What’s his insight on Howie Roseman as a league power player?Palmer joins Zach Berman and Bo Wulf to deliver his perspective. Join them! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Zach Berman here to talk about the Philadelphia Eagles. And let's get right to it because we are thrilled to be joined to the top of the show by national reporter James Palmer out in Denver. James, how you doing? I'm good, guys. It feels like home a little bit right now. I like this. This feels good. This is a nice, it's a nice proxy for you. We will get to your Philly Roots. Zach. How are you doing, by the way? I'm doing great. I didn't want to let James stir in the waiting room before brought him on. I'm pumped James is on. And I'm always happy when we speak to.

people from the area who since moved elsewhere, but they keep the area code because you know it's, it's a part of them. So I won't give James his number out on the show, but it's like the first seven digits, but he maintains the area code. And as someone who, who moved and came back, I would not give up that phone number no matter where I went. No, sticking 610 forever. Come on. Love that. All right. So we got a lot to talk to you about, James, because you know a lot of the new players here very well. You also have deep connections to this team. So we want to get to all of that. I guess we should start with Vic Fangio.

You were up close and personal with him as a head coach. What should Eagles fans expect, I guess, schematically, personality-wise. How do you see this whole thing fitting? Personality-wise. That's a good one, though. Vic is, and he'll admit it, he's oozing with personality to showcase to everyone. I can't remember how many times we saw him on Hard Knocks with Miami. Was it like one?

It's zero. That was by design. One of those ones written, like the closed captioning would have just said like grumble. I think it's right. I think it's right, actually. He is not one to put himself out of there.

But I mean, in all, I see, what they're getting. I mean, this is used, this scheme and what he's developed is used through most of the NFL, like a good chunk of it in one capacity and it's morphed into different ways. It's changed how offenses are played.

What I think is kind of misunderstood with Vic a little bit, is that it's going to be his way or the highway. There's no bending. There's no breaking. That's not really accurate. It's not his opinion on what you run and what the Eagles will run defensively. It's really what you show him you can do and what you show him you can't do.

And then he'll mold the defense to that, if that makes sense. If you're a linebacker that wants to blitz and he doesn't see you beat a running back picking you up repeatedly, you're just not going to blitz. If you continue to beat him, he'll blitz mercilessly. He'll just keep coming. Like, if that's what you show him. So what players need to do is they need to show him what they can and can't do, and then the defense will be molded to that. I think the ability that it's Vicks way or the highway is a little bit misunderstood in a sense.

Players care about two things, winning and making as much money as possible, right? I mean, that's pretty evident. I think it falls on the assistance a little bit with Vic, though, in terms of massaging this going, if you do this, look at what Justin Simmons did at the safety position and the number of picks that he was able to go out and have because he played it the way Vic wanted it to be played, and Vic played to his strengths. That's kind of on the assistance that work with Vic a little bit and massaging it, but Vic will do exactly and show you exactly what he wants, but you have to show him that you can do it, and then he'll move things around.

And so to build on that, you mentioned the assistance. Vic really got to pick his staff, which Sean DeSai really didn't get the chance to do that per se. The coaches that Vic brought in, I know you know some of them, you've been around some of them. What's going to be the big differences with them under Vic? I think, I think, Zach, the biggest thing is relaying that message, right? They know what Vic wants out there. Like I said, Vic isn't going to sit there. And like the way it was described me once by, by somebody on his staff back in the day was kind of like, well, how does Vic get that message across? How does he convince players to do that?

And he's like, Vince doesn't, Vic doesn't worry about convincing anybody. Like he doesn't worry about convincing anybody at all. Now, he's just going to, like I said, show you how it should be done. You show him what you can do. Now it's up to the assistance. Like, you know, Christian Parker running the backside of that group who knows Vic really, really well. And I think it's one of the better teachers in this league from the buzz I hear about him around the. league. That's somebody that Vic would lean on of like, hey, I've coached, you want to know how this is done right? Like, I've coached Pat Sertan. He uses these exact same techniques, and that's how it works. They kind of relay that message, Zach, for Vic. And I think that's why it's important that he was able to pick kind of his guys and have a say that was a big part of Vic coming to Philadelphia. Obviously, it's coming home for him and huge Phillies fan rock on, they're rock solid. But it was, it was a big deal for that to happen. So it can be done the way that it works at it.

highest level, if that makes sense for Vic and his group. So as we think about Vick's like gruffness, right? And you heard the reports out of Miami last year that he did not get along well with some of those guys, especially in the secondary. That was maybe an awkward fit with Mike McDaniel. Nick Siriani has never worked with a coach of like this gravitas as one of his coordinators. It has always been guys who were sort of on the come up like him, teachers by trade, right?

what do you expect from that fit between those two guys that frankly was probably a little bit Frankenstein in at like Howie Roseman and Jeffrey Lurie's behest. Yeah, that's a really good point. And I don't know why I was thinking about this and thinking about Kansas City a little bit, Beau, while you were saying that. But it's like, I wonder if there'll be a little bit of an approach with Spags where it's like, just let him run inside. Like kind of just let him do his thing. There's a track record with both guys in terms of, what they've done. And I'm curious to see how much Nick wants to be like, maybe if we just let Vic be Vic on his side of the ball, like that might be what's best for us. And it might be, honestly. Now, I think sometimes when you have a guy that has, Gravitas was a good word, or has, you know, kind of the machismo that Vic kind of has on one side of the ball, like, I think you

can hurt yourself by meddling sometimes. I think you might have to pick your spots because I think the track record is so deep that if if he does do it is the right way it is going to have success i do think that the unit talent wise is above and beyond what it was a year ago and now you coaching wise are above and beyond what you were a year ago i know that when a lot of these coaches were coming in nick was very honest with them about what happened on that side of the ball about the blame that he took uh for some of the decisions that were made by him on that side of the ball and that meant a lot to a lot of guys including Vic that were coming in on that side. So that gave me a little bit of a thought that maybe you let Vic go be Vic on that side

until you have to see a reason or a time that you've got to come in and step in. It's funny to think about because like if Nick is not as involved in the offense, but he's not going to be doing stuff with Vic, like what's he doing? Chief he's the Chief Morrell officer, right? But no, no, we've talked for the past three years, honestly, that the Eagles have chased this scheme, right? And now they get the originator. They, they don't get, obviously, Sean Desai was the pupil. It's, it's seen, Jonathan Gannon was using elements of that scheme. But what types of players, whether it's on the Eagles roster or, uh, players that he's had in the past, particularly

thrive in this scheme? I think versatile players. I do, specifically on the back end. Like, I'm really curious to see what they do with Cooper DeGene because I think that type of of player. Now, they don't really know where he's going to play. I know that there's a thought that he can even line up some at safety from some people in that building. They do think, and they're not alone in this during the draft, it was like, how do you use him? Is he a Kyle Hamilton type of piece? Is he, you know, a guy that plays inside? Because a lot of teams, and the Eagles weren't alone in this, thought that, and I'm going on tangent in a second on Cooper, but I got to do this, is like in terms of spatial awareness, vision, field vision, all of these things,

he was kind of the best of the corner group. Is he the best corner? No. But in those traits, enough people around the league thought that he was maybe the top of the class in those traits. To me, those are valued in Vic's scheme. I really do. I know outside corners can play outside and lock and do things out there. But when you have the other pieces that can mix things up and move guys around, I think that is important for the way that Vic plays.

I brought up Justin once. I know probably everybody in Philly is curious about Justin's right. We put out of the tweet that you're coming on. We're getting like, ask him about Justin Simmons. Ask him about Justin Simmons. Yeah, I mean, we can talk about it. He's a really perfect example. I mean, he's a guy that can play in the box.

He's a guy that can play deep. Since he came in the league, nobody has more interceptions than him, not safeties, players. And that's a lot because of Vic and how Vic used him and how he was able to be disguised and moved around. Like I said, if you can do a lot of things, Vic will have you do a lot of things. You just need to show him that.

And I think that's why versatility, specifically on that back end, is extremely important. Because there are also our players. And I know, like, Draymont Jones. Were DeRamont Jones? Who was with the Broncos? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And now Seattle, he got really frustrated playing in this scheme. It wasn't like, I can't attack. I can't go downfield as an interior pass rusher. That's not what he wants me to do. And he would get frustrated. Well, back to what I'm saying, I'm kind of curious, too, like, well, maybe he didn't think you could get downfield. Like maybe that's why he didn't have you go that, you know, go after the,

quarterback. I think Draymond has a little bit more talent to go after the quarterback than maybe he was used. It's my personal opinion, but I'm not going to say, I know more football in Vic, right? But like, I think that's kind of the two sides that you see. They're going to be players that get frustrated because they think they can do more than what they're being used for. But players that show him all these different ways they can be used, those will be showcased. But that's an interesting thing to bookmark for Jalen Carter, I feel like that. Exactly. Yeah. The whole point was it on Carter is to get to the quarterback. Right. Exactly. Now, that's a thing. I do think, like the example I used in the beginning,

though, like is, if Jaylon Carter is going to show that he's winning repeatedly on the inside, they're going to set it up on the defensive front to make sure that continues. And Devin White actually talked about this last week, about how, like, he's heard that he's going to have to prove to Vic that he can be effective as a blitzer if he wants to blitz, and he hasn't had a chance to show that yet. And he's sort of getting in his ear like he wants to have a chance to show that. So at least that that message has been a message.

But it sounds accurate, right? Like, it sounds like that's what you should have to do as a place. Like, you know, man, I feel like I got to really show this. Well, yeah, you do. How about the Justin Simmons follow-up? What's going on there? I don't, from my understanding, I don't see anything happening anytime soon. I think from what I've gathered, he knows his market.

He knows the pay is not going to be what he has made in the past. And he's made plenty in the past. I think that's why you're seeing him be patient because it's not going to change between now and the, you know, closer to camp at all, right? The market's not going to shift and he's going to get some ridiculous, you know, payday. He knows that. So he knows he can be patient. He knows he can look around.

He can know he can look for the best fit. There have been offers out there. Obviously, there have been teams that have tried to go after him. But I think he is kind of trying to pick that spot with, I don't want to speak for Justin, but like the dude's gone through a lot of losing and a lot of coaching changes. And I think that is playing a part. in this about where he lands. And I know the lines of communication are still open with a lot of places that we're

interested the first time around. But I think he's being smart with it. And my thought and belief right now is nothing happens in the immediate future right now because nothing's going to change in terms of the landscape of the market. I'm always curious when I speak to someone like you who covers the whole league that, you know, one thing is you'll be in Philly and then you might be in Denver the next day. and people in Denver will want to know, all right, what's going on in Philly, right? And it's kind of the cool thing about national reporters.

So what's kind of the buzz on the Eagles organization right now elsewhere in the league? We're so locked in on what people in Philly think. What do people elsewhere think about the Eagles right now? I don't know if people know this the way the front office is thought about of Zach, because like there really are two schools of thought in the NFL, right? There's like the front office that's really scout driven and it's film, film, film, and it's a scouting background and that's what they do. And then we need to see what's on tape and that's the way we go.

And then there's that analytic Harvard Yale style that we're seeing around the league where it's the numbers tell us this and we're going to play the probabilities and we're put it all in the machine that's going to fire out what we're looking at. And this is what we're going to do. The Eagles, in a lot of people around the league's opinion is they're like the one team that does both almost like 50-50. Like I would say the way Howie is thought of is most GMs are one of the two that I just described. I'm not saying how he's looking at film like some of these scouts look at it. But I would say he looks at a lot and he studies a lot. Yet he still has the other side and the numbers side. And I think what makes them stand apart.

And it's funny, I was talking to somebody in a front office in the NFC like a couple days ago. And he was like, I was trying to describe because they're always, every front office is looking at every other front office, to steal and figure out how they do it. And he was like, I was describing to the guys in the room what Philly does. And it was like, they're not scared to make mistakes. And they have a plan if the mistake happens, how they're going to correct it. And there's so much fear, he said in this league, right, of like, well, if I picked the wrong guy, admitting that I picked the wrong guy to ownership is just like telling my boss, I effed up.

Like, nobody in the NFL loves to say, you know what, every GM is telling them. owner. He's going to come around. He's going to come around. This is going to work. It's very refreshing in some people around the leagues or maybe envious around the league of how Howie and company will say, nah, it didn't work. Let's move on and we're going to fix it by doing this. And I think that's what makes Philly a little bit different than some of these other places. And I think to me, talking to people in front offices around the league, if you do it the same as everybody else, you got a pretty damn good chance of just staying in the middle. Like, you know, Dallas, for instance, doesn't take a whole lot of chances,

like a whole lot of risks. They never bottom out, really, but they haven't been able to get to here. And maybe there's a safety net in just staying in there, and Jerry makes a gazillion dollars and being relevant all the time. But, like, Philly has an ability to find ways to try things that are outside the box. And there's no fear of trying them. And I think that's what makes them different. than a lot of teams in this league.

Yeah, it's interesting because it's almost like once you get good enough, you know, Howie has the luxury of knowing that Jeffrey has his back. And so he has the force to make those mistakes, right? It's like once you just sort of cross that threshold, then you get that freedom. The other thing I want to ask you about with Howie is something that we have talked about on the show is just like, from a national reporter perspective, there is the information marketplace in the league, right? you know, GMs and reporters talking to each other, sharing information, and Howie has been at this so long. It is a great strength of his. Can you talk to that at all about, like, how important that

is to him? Because he says the thing that keeps him up at night is like the idea that he might not know that someone is available, right? Like, that he might miss something. So how important is that to his success, do you think? I think it's everything. I think it's part of their draft process, too. what's like a little bit of an offshoot of that is like one of the things, and this came back to me talking about them with you bringing that up, I was like they never write players off. Like in the draft process, they never do that. And that happens in a lot of buildings. Like the initial couple reports come in and it's like, this guy isn't for us. They circle back all the time and go, let's double check and make sure maybe he is for us.

Maybe this, you know, this scattering report is a little bit different than a couple of the other ones that come in and how he always circles back to make sure. And it's in the same vein of being like, I don't want to make sure that I don't miss. that this guy's available. I don't want to, I don't want to eliminate a lot of guys off my board too early. I want to make sure that they're all available. So they circle back a lot. And he circles back a lot in the national landscape of players being available.

I don't think anybody calls more probably than Howie Roseman. I don't know how you guys do it actually in the market. I want to ask you because like it's got to be, do you report every time like Harry Roseman called about so and so? Because like he calls about everybody. Like it's, it's kind of the, do you report all that? Yeah, that's, that's kind of. a big joke we have is that

like the easiest headline leading into the draft is that how he's looking to move up because all he goes is move up like if if you say breaking news how he's just going to stay where he is he's not trying to trade like that would be the headline more so than how he's working

the phones well it's like this year they end up staying at the pick but like obviously he had called like every pick to see what it would take and talk to the team's behind like of course he wants to know what the cost is going to be in every situation Yeah, and I do know talking to other teams Like he is a master poker player in

Like I know Atlanta thought a little bit that they were interested in Beijon And I and I think everybody in Philly was probably like I mean like Howard bet his life on it or something right like I think everybody in Philly's kind of like he doesn't do that But like he somehow made Atlanta believe that he was interested in Bejohn Like he plays the game really really well and I think if you work as hard as how he doesn't and make as many phone calls as he does it's pretty easy to cover your tracks because you call it on everybody. So like how do you give a couple of breadcrumbs that you're headed in this direction when you called everything? So I think it's kind of the better way to work.

It was like I'm sitting here in Denver and we mentioned it like if John Elway showed up somewhere, it was like, well, John ain't going on the plane just to go on the plane. It's not John Elway. So you were like, we should read into this a little bit. Like how he's going to call everybody? Phil Eagles are going to be everywhere. And I think that's probably to blanket the league the best way to go about it because there are plenty of teams to think how he's doing one thing and he ends up doing something else. Go ahead.

Yeah, as a follow-up to that, the offseason that they had now, this is my first chance catching up with you about this. Because I last saw you at the Combine, adding Sequin. Obviously, we expected them to kind of move off of Hassan Reddick or potentially do that. But then bringing in Bryce Huff, bringing back to. CJ Gardner Johnson, some of these other moves they made acting early on the contract extensions. What jumped out to you about the offseason that they just had? I think the Seekwan deal, Zach, is number one to me in all honesty.

Just because it was an outside of the box thought for how Howie works. But really, if you know Howie and I know you guys do, it's what does my coaching staff want? What does my OC want? And I'll try to get him that. to me, that was him really listening to Kellan and really understanding what Kellyn wants and making that happen. And going maybe away from what some people believe are his tendencies,

but listening to his offensive coordinator and going, well, he really thinks if we have this piece, we're a different offense, and he can do all the things, Callan can do all the things that he wants to do with this group. I'm going to make that happen. To me, how he listening to Kellan in that sense of what would make this offense work stood out big time.

Some of the other ones were things at the combine. You mentioned that I had kind of heard. I heard Huff was like pretty much, you know, going to happen. Redick, that type of situation with those guys. I mean, I know they looked around at a lot of other guys. I know it was close with Justin Simmons and C.J. Gardner Johnson, like at the safety spot. I know age played a part in that decision. Because when you're trying to change your identity and nothing against justice,

it's kind of like the Justin Simmons podcast, but like nothing against Justin's one of my favorite people in the league and one of the best human beings on the planet. And still, I think, a great safety. You don't tell everybody you want to get younger and faster as a defense. And then one of the first moves you make is a 30-year-old safety. Like, that just kind of goes against what you're trying to put out there. I think that did really play a part in kind of the decision between the two. But Sequin was the one that really jumped out at me because of everything that went with

that move. That is also interesting, the Justin Simmons angle to keep the Justin's Simons thing's going just from the, like, you would, you would think that if Vic had like pounded the table and been like, this is the guy that I want to leave my defense, that Howie would have followed suit, right? So it's interesting that Vic was at least open to. I know there was a lot, and I know that kind of happened, but there was a lot of different things that went into play on how you were picking some of these pieces. And at that time, I don't, I mean, now this part, I don't even know. Like, I mean, how different was the money, how different was every aspect that you're looking to do? You know

what I mean. So there are a variety of, of, I guess, boxes that were being checked on both sides between everybody. I'm a little just blown away by like the professionalism from James. I mean, the backdrop is so fantastic. I talked about the painting, you know, the audio quality, the shot this. I mean, what a pro. Yeah. Guys, how many people come on here? Like full I have B. Like thrown in. Full eye. No AirPods. Yeah. The pinned mic. I mean, you got all going on. Guys, come on. This is a professional setup here. I'm not going to. sit here and willy-nilly this thing in with you guys. This is a big deal for me.

Absolutely. Are we still hitting on the Eagles? Do you want to talk Philly? Go ahead. Can we talk Philly? Okay. Let's go. Anything else on the Eagles?

Because I love talking to Philly with people. Well, oh, anything. I think the one thing on the team that I'm really most fascinated about is we kind of touched on Cooper, but like how the competition at Corner really plays out. And I think that they're waiting for camp to my understanding to see these things play out. And it could be a variety of things of who loses out on the second corner spot might be who plays nickel. Honestly, like it could be that. And somebody else, you know, there's the competition and then somebody else shines in nickel.

Somebody else plays safe. You know, Bradbury's been back there at safety for a long time, which is kind of funny. But just nobody in the media has seen it just because for one reason or another, he wasn't, you know, at practice for the, what did you guys get three OTAs? We got two OTAs and then three days a military. Yeah. Yeah. And then he gets the groin injury, right? and he can't participate in minicamp.

So, like, it was established pretty early, like, that he was going to go back there. Just no media had seen it and nobody really knew about it. That's interesting. That's a good nugget. Yeah. And so, you know, him back there, and Avanti may be playing some safety and then moving these different guys around. I think back the back end and how it shakes out is going to be my favorite part of training camp. And hopefully I can get there for some days to kind of see how it all goes.

Well, and it's interesting also because somebody sort of touched on this. in the chat. I don't think that this is necessarily intentional from Howie, but for so long, the defense has been built front to back. And right now, the structure of it, just where the investments are, I mean, they've still got Jalen Carter, they still paid Josh Huff,

a lot of money. They've still got Josh Schwett, Jordan Davis, first round picks. But talent-wise, it feels like at least the focus is right now back to front as opposed to the traditional highway structure. Exactly. And I think those guys up front, I mean, like, there's a lot on them like a lot. They're not as deep as they've been in years past. I think there's there's a lot on that group up front that needs to need to perform. So when we've had people like, you know, whether it's

Colin Wolfe, Andy McCull, different guests who grew up here and then go elsewhere, the thing I'm fascinated about and you grew up steeped in kind of the Philly media culture as well is what's different as as a sports consumer, as just a person when you're used to. You're used to. to the way it is here, and then you go to Houston and you go to Denver. Like, like, is it as pronounced as it seems or am I making too much of it? Like, are we in Philly that much different? Oh, yeah, it's different. It is, it is definitely different.

My comps to some extent would be Chicago and Boston in terms of just the 24-hour local sports talk. like nobody in Philly's listening to a schlub like me, like a national like show in their car. Like they're not. They're listening to what happens in Philly. Like that's the way all of Philadelphia works. Like I truly believe two of my best buddies that are cops in Philly could be on WIP.

Like like from our conversations. I'm like, this is all you guys think about. You sit in your cruiser all day and you just, you know, you want to, and you listen to sports talk radio and you listen to everything that's getting put out there. There's a different, I think, uh, fandom. I think there's a different education to the fan. There's a different, I don't want to say criticalness, but there's a, I expect this from you as a player in our city to do this. And if you do do it, like you will be rewarded. I think it was, while I was like pulling my hair out and dying with the Sixers in the postseason, which is just a

terrible, terrible run, in my opinion, just a frustrating team to watch. Like, JJ Redick said, I think on the broadcast, he's like, there's no better place to play that I, and he played a lot of places. Like, he's like, there's no better place I've ever played. There's also like no worse place I've ever played. Like, I mean, like, and it's kind of true, but like he did say, like, you know, if, if you do things the right way, you're rewarded. And I think the fan, it's because the fans are somewhat, I mean, they probably drive you

guys nuts sometimes, but like, they're educated. They know more, I think, that some of these fans. and not to down the rest of the country, but there's a different commitment, I want to say, time commitment from the fan in Philly. So is the rest of the house joining you in the Philly fandom, or is it Denver? So we had to make decisions like on this.

So like my wife is from California and Denver, like back and forth. So she's a huge, her dad was a huge Broncos fan. So she's Broncos. And then she told our son, like you can, you can be everything. else dad does, but football, you're with the Broncos. So like I got, I know, so I got Ohio State and I got the Phillies and I got like, we went to the series here in Denver, went to two of the three games. We go to the two games they lost.

Bryce Harbour gets thrown out in the first. My son's like devastated. Like he's like crushed. We're sitting there in the stands. He's like, well, this is my favorite player. That I get to see him once a year. This stinks. And so he got, he's Philly on everything, but she told him like, this is my one team, Broncos.

We're going Broncos. But I think the last few years, he's probably like eyeing the Eagles, like quite a bit with what's going on in Denver and the shuffling going on in this city. What was 13-year-old James Palmer like as a Philly sports fan? I was an I was a loon for the Phillies, number one. I loved basketball. I mean, Philadelphia is such a great basketball town. I got my ass kicked by, like, ridiculous players in high school, like really, really good players. Like my first start in high school at Upper Merriam, my sophomore.

was against Matt Carroll. And I thought I did a good job. And then he dropped like 32. I think he missed like two shots. Haber Oorsham. Yeah, Haprow Horsham. Yeah, that's Colleen Wolf. Yeah.

I got, I did not get a hand his face. Like six foot, 150 pound James Palmer to not get a hand in Matt Carroll's face. But like all the like Jemir Nelson, all those guys, they destroyed me in high school. But like I, even younger than 13, Zach, like, I would wear my full hockey like pads to a flyers game at like nine years old. Like, what kid walks in?

with like a helmet, a Flyers, a Dave Pool in Jersey, and like their gloves and like their elbow pads. Like I thought they were like, we need him, you know, on the fourth line. You know what I mean? Like, I wasn't going to play, but I would come in all of my pets. But you definitely weren't going to play if you weren't suited up. I mean. Yeah, exactly.

They weren't even going to look at me if I didn't have the gear on. So I was always kind of like, you know, hey, this guy's over here. He's got a CCM dog, gloves, I'm just ready to roll. But it was, it was like Philly Sports everything. It was going to St. Joe's basketball camp, John Cheney basketball camp. Like it was, hoops was a big deal for me at like that age. Then I realized, you know, after getting waxed in high school all the time, like, it was, it was the end of it. But hoops and baseball were the two that I really, really like was everything to me.

And that's why, like, the vet and getting a chance to play at the vet as a high school kid was like the coolest thing in the world just because I worship that place. So, yeah, it was basketball and baseball were like the top, the top. for me like everything. I thought Von Hayes was a god. Him and Darren Dalton. And so when work brings you back to Philly, what are the spots you need to hit? Well, my parents live like out in Wayne,

King of Prussia area. So I got to like, I don't go to the mall, but I got to go out and see the parents. And then I'll see a lot of my buddies that live in like, you know, the conchia area and stuff.

And, you know, I got one of my best friends from, that I played all three sports with, actually coming out here with him and his family next week. So like, I would, I stay like at the notary. like right downtown by by city hall and try to like hit up a bunch of different like local

spots that i love like little hole in the wall joints and then and usually it's with like the same it's the buddies wives that don't mind like it's the same three that i know i can call right every time then i'm like hey i'm in town we're going out and like the other ones are like nah man i got like four kids it ain't happening like and that call just doesn't happen anymore i know my crew from home growing up with that can that can roll with me each night on back home All right. The comment in the chat right now is this guy gets it. So, yeah.

You're speaking to your people right now. Well, these are my, listen, these are my people. These are my, these are my best friends. These are, this is everybody. You know how many like group chats I am on about the Phillies? Like that I don't see every game, but I'm like, I know everything that's happening from like four different group chats about everything that's happening with Ramoso and everything that's happening.

I mean, a lot of love for stub. guys. A lot of us for stubby coming in there from all of my boys. There's a bit of a risk of over exposure now over the next month, but we'll see how that goes. I think there is. I don't know. Jake, he's been getting beat up lately, though. He needs a, I mean, I know the knee aside,

but man, he's been taking some shots lately. He needs a little break. Well, James, thank you so much for the insight. We'll let you get going to Broncos mini camp, but we really appreciate all the insight. Guys, I'm going to tell you, like, just talking the players we just talked about, and we didn't even talk about like AJ Brown and Dallas Goddard and Devante Smith and Lane Johnson and Jordan Myelotta and all of these like there is a

talent drop off to the practice I'm about to go with time. I'm serious like this is what do you before I go real quick like where do you guys put this roster talent wise in the league like it's top three I would say top five for sure but yeah I think that's I think there are more questions on the lines of scrimmage than they've had in the past if if they are what they think they can be on the defensive line, and if at center and right guard, they're where they want to be, then I think they can be really good.

But usually you say, all right, they're set on the lines. Let's see how they are on the back end, or let's see how they are as some of these other spots. They have more questions on the lines of scrimmaged than they've had in the past. And I would just say like it was still a top five roster in December and January and it didn't necessarily work out well.

So they still have some work to do in terms of proving it. Yeah, it didn't go great. I think I was at that last one against the Giants. Yeah, I think I was with you guys, right? I think Week 18. Yes. Yeah, that was another. Yeah, that was.

Yikes, that was brutal. All right, guys, this was a blast. This was wonderful. Thank you. You have an open invitation. I don't like the Penn State. I don't like the Penn State. Penn State back there being a buck guy, but I'll let it side.

You know, a little inside baseball. We'd like to get that one replaced as well. But that's okay. Not my wife. He's a Penn Stateer, but in place. What would you put up in place? We had a Brian Dawkins one there before. But yeah, I mean, there's some love for temple.

People want temple there. I don't know. We don't have to curry favor, but just a picture of Zach's face is what I would like. Or a polestra just to please everybody. That's perfect. That's what I would want, the plaster. That's what I would do. Yeah.

All right. Thank you so much. Take easy. Thank you. Hope we'll talk to you again soon. Sounds good. Oh, come on. Let's do it.

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It's for 35% off. We've got to add. We've got to adjust this copy. There's a small typo there. We're going to fix that. But yeah, I think it's fair to say that James is pretty bullish on this team, don't you think? Yeah. And it's the perspective that is always good to get from people outside the market because you can sometimes forget that it's not the norm to have A.J. Brown, Devonte, Smith, that wide receiver.

And Jordan Mila and Lane Johnson as your offensive. tackles, right? And that if one of your questions is how's this edge rusher who had double digit sacks last year going to do in a full-time role this year, or can this other edge rusher who's 27 years old and has been like a two-time pro bowler or can he rebound this year? And can your top 10 defensive tackle emerge into one of the top defensive tackles in the league? Like, oh, and by the way, you just signed a running back who might be. one of the top five players in his position in the in the league right this is a roundabout way of saying is that there's a lot of talent here and there are a lot of teams that are either rebuilding

or they're in that constant state of like trying to get to the top half of the league and the eagles are one of those teams that they've been in the top half of the league and now you're trying to get into the top you know five of of the league it's a it's a it's a good situation when you I understand expectations are high in Philly, but if you put this team in like Jacksonville right now or Denver right now, I mean, those fans would say, man,

I didn't know we have it this good. Fair enough. They would say the out was right. I know that Les said this when he was on with us last month, but it is kind of funny that it's like all of these things. What if, what if, what if,

what if Jalen Hertz just, like it's really comes, so much comes down to just jail and hurts. Yeah, that's that's that's always the analysis. Like I say that a lot of years. We can't do a show every single day. I just say, but if your quarterback's good. Well, it's all depending on Geelong Hertz.

Exactly. Like, you know, I remember for those two weeks leading up to the Super Bowl. And this was the one two years ago. And we're going through matchup by matchup. And like, you know, how are they going to defend, you know, juju here? And, you know, can you, exploit these safeties or whatever it may be. And it's like, well, if Patrick Mahomes is great, then you're going to have hard time winning.

And Patrick Mahomes was great in the second half of that game. So it's a simplistic way to do it. But it's also, you know, happy Tom Brady Day to all those who celebrate. He's getting honored tonight. Bo keeps a straight face. Everybody gets your HGH injections ready. But there was always those thinking, or there was always that thinking that, that When he's on your side, like you can have all these other questions on your team.

He'll figure out a way. And it's simplistic to put it that way, but the quarterback has such an outsized role in any conversation. A couple interesting things I think are worth pulling apart from what we heard from James. Very good. He did a fantastic job. The actual having some factual reporting that the Eagles were like on the fence about Justin Simonsor's. Jay J. Garner Johnson, and that they were really looking into Justin Simmons, I think is interesting and one to follow. Yeah, that is a good one. And, you know, we had done, or I'm sorry, we did the free agency quacketology.

And what James said there is something we kept going back to, that they want to get younger. They want to get faster. And they've had, I understand some of their best players in the past that have been older players, you know, Kelsey and and Cox and, you know, Brandon Graham and Lane Johnson. But if you just sort their roster by age right now, they don't have a lot of these older guys. And in the past, they've signed some of these 30-plus-year-olds to one-year deals. They haven't done that as much this year besides your boy Devonte Parker.

But for the most part, like they... Your boy, Paris Campbell? But he's what, 26, right? So they have tried to get younger this year. And I imagine that that was a factor there. Okay. people are talking about how we've got a nice contrast white black thing going on here

you know good cop bad cop sort of like man in white man and black a little lost thing going on you're the bad guy you look sharp that that's that's like that's that's that's the Cape Cod look right that's that's that's that's like a Cape Cod look is that like a Cape Cod

that's like I've never been to Cape Cod actually Polo shirt oh okay what makes it a Cape Cod look I think that I associate me you're a Mr. Beach shirt over here don't come at me Beach are you not that one but you are the Mr. Beach shirt. Somebody in the chat said that they wore a similar linen shirt and someone else at their office asked them if they were going to the beach. Oh really?

Yeah, I don't know if you saw that. That's just people who are not up that they don't style. Right? I guess so. Yeah, you got to read the latest issue of GQ magazine. It's a white shirt. No, it's like a compliment. That's like you're going out to eat in Cape Cod.

Why is that a compliment? Is there something wrong with Cape Cod? I don't know. It's not either good nor bad, but why is it a compliment? It means you look nice. You look sharp today. Yeah, you're 38, your day after your birthday. What are you talking about?

Someone says, are you tan? Did you spend more time outside? I know you walked to the office. Yeah, I think I just was outside this weekend. I don't feel not something that I was consciously working on. Cousin Grace says, is that a birthday present shirt? No. Okay.

No, this shirt has been in the rotation. Okay. All right. That shirt's probably, I was going to say top of the pile, but that shirt hangs. This shirt does hang. That's right. Yeah. How about that one?

No, this is a pile shirt. This was top of the pile this morning. Yep. Okay. What kind of drawer situation are we talking about? What do you mean? What kind of drawer situation? What is the top of the pile?

What's the pile like? There's two drawers in the pile. Oh, I'm sorry, two piles in the drawer. I got that inverted. You guys, do you and Emily share a dresser or do you have your own dresser? We have our own dresser. Separate dressers. Yeah.

And I'm not particularly like, you know, clean on my, like, I'll, I'll throw my stuff in to the drawer. Yes. Right. Difference between cleanliness and tidiness. You're untidy. Yeah. Sorry. That that's more.

So that's what I heard. You're not throwing dirty clothes on. No, no. No. No. Thank you. But, like, what are her pet peeves is if you open my drawer, it's not like, folded perfectly in there where if you looked at her drawers it's like

I mean it's it's like if you go to a department store it is like you know nobody got time for that yeah well she does like she's she's very meticulous now your dresser are we talking is it is it a classic uh three levels top level is two smaller ones and then you got two wide ones on level two level three I have two I've I'm short T-shirts, you know, boxers, socks, and then,

yeah, I have two t-shirt drawers, two T-shirts. How many, so how many drawers are we talking about? There's, there's eight drawers. Oh,

eight drawers? Interesting. So four levels, two by four? Yes, yes, yes, exactly. Yeah. Tall one.

I mean, they're not like huge drawers. Okay, so eight drawers. And so on the top level, where you got boxers and one, socks, and the other? Yes. Okay, second level. What do we got?

T-shirts. On both sides? No, T-shirts on this side, and then shorts are on. Yeah. So second from the top, there are two drawers, right? No, so there's six drawers. Then there's two small drawers at the top, like those thin ones. Okay, so there are four levels of the dresser. Yes.

Right? The top level has two different drawers. Has two thin drawers. Okay. The second level and the third level and the fourth level all have one big drawer? We're really getting too hard. There's shorts. There's two drawers are shorts, two drawers with t-shirts, one drawer with boxers, one drawer with socks,

and then one like, these small ones are like there's like, you know, cufflinks. Oh, I see. So it's really like three levels, but then there's like a half level. Yes, exactly. Exactly. Now, do you delineate in the two t-shirt drawers? Is there any difference between... Yeah, yes, yeah.

Actually, there's the T-shirts. So, like, a nice t-shirt drawer. Yeah, there's T-shirts that I would, like, the linen shirt. Okay. T-shirts that I would wear, own a show. Okay. And then there's T-shirts when I'm just kind of, like, play ball with my son. Okay.

And you do keep them separate. Yes, I keep them separate. That's smart. Yeah. Yeah, she actually labeled them. So, okay. Yeah, so I know what the point. Now within, I know you said you're untidy in the drawers.

We were sweating way too much time on this year. But within the, but within the, drawers. Yeah. When you're putting them in, there is the, there is the stackable fold or is there, there is like the, um, this is a newfangled thing where like you fold it and show and it's like facing up and you see the load. No, no, no, stackable.

Stackable fold. Stackable. Yeah. Stackable. Yeah. Less efficient, but easier to, easier to do it. So when I say top shirt on, on the on the pile, I'm not paying attention to like, oh, I wore this last Thursday, right?

I'm, I actually want to, I want to reduce the amount of like decisions that I would be okay. Decision fatigue. If I find like four shirts and then just rotate them and I'd be cool but so anyways

when the shirts on the top of the pile that's what I put on so I decide you're not doing digging through the pile here you're going I don't dig through the pile

that's how it gets untidy honestly if I just stick to the top shirt on the pile it doesn't get untidy anyways let's talk about your drawer hold on the last

the two different shorts drawers any difference in the shorts well yeah it's like the Same thing. There's a nice shorts. Yeah, it's like the sports shorts that you'd wear. And then like, you know, like the, like the, you know, khaki or like they're, I used to call them khaki shorts.

Now they're, they're kind of, it's more like the, it's a different material. Well, what's the, I don't know what the, they're called like that text shorts. Yeah, they're called tech shorts. Yeah. But they, but you, but you would wear it to like a practice. Why do they call it the tech short? I don't know. It's like a Silicon Valley thing.

like it looked like a... Yeah, yeah. If it is, then I'm more into it then, right? Of course. No wonder you want the tech shorts. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, so I have shorts that I would wear to football practice or I went out to dinner in the summer, that kind of thing. And then I have shorts that I would wear if I'm playing ball with my son.

Okay. What's your... I'm working with a... Working with three levels. Top level is two different drawers. You got the boxers in one, socks in the... Yeah, socks in the other. Oh, no.

No, I have... No, actually, I'm wrong. I have socks in a different in the closet. Boxes in one, undershirts, like white undershirts and the other. And second row you got in the shirt. I don't know. You're an undershirt guy? You're an undershirt guy?

Sometimes. Okay. That drawer doesn't get as much, doesn't get as much use in the winter. Yeah. Under, I mean, certainly under like a sweater. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You wear a V-neck undershirt.

Second row is second. Your V-neck guy. That's true. Second. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. wants to see your undershirt. Yeah, no, I know. Yeah. Second row is t-shirts. Third row is shorts and pants. Did not have this. Not like nice pants, like, you know, you know, pajama pants or something like that. Or sweatpants. You're a pajama pants guy. I have a couple pair of pajamas pants for the winter. Yeah. That's not like going to bed like a sash on my head every night, but walking around the house sometimes to wear a, you know, a nice L.L. Bean fleece pant. Yeah. Interesting. Okay. I didn't take you for a pajama. Actually, I could see that as a pajama guy. Leisure at home, absolutely. Oh, yeah. No, I'm, I'm, uh, I'm just wearing shorts or joggers at home. Yeah.

Okay. What if you're cold? Jockers. Yes. Oh, joggers. Okay. I don't have a dedicated pajama pants. Okay. Yeah. All right. This is not pre for this part of the show. This will be our clip for the day. Great. We'll put this up on a nice, nice clothes talk. All right, let's talk before we get to a few leftover questions from yesterday, Zach, our friends at mortgage CS, mortgage CS. Actually, let me figure out which of the mortgage CS reads we're doing. Oh, the competitive one. Today's real estate market is ultra competitive, people. Perspective homebuyers, perhaps just like you, are missing out on opportunities

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But from Bradbury's perspective, if he was expecting to go somewhere else to play corner, would he really be willing to take up all his time in the spring playing safety? Presumably if he's going to play safety, he has to change his body a little bit, right? So he wouldn't do that if he was expecting to go somewhere else to play corner. So from a buy-in standpoint, I think that that's very interesting.

Yeah, that it's not just something that they did for mandatory minicam because he was, he was reporting. We had heard that he had been in Philly at times throughout the offseason program. And so this shows that this is something that they had planned going back a few months. That's a good nugget from James. Really interesting. Yeah. And then also the note on Draymond Jones, you know, not loving that he wasn't getting to rush as much, just something to keep in our.

in our back pocket. All right, I'm going to give you a chance here from a leftover question from yesterday's mailbag episode. Need some water. Zach, for you to plug the book here because Nick Field wants to know who were the most informative interview subjects for your upcoming book, and was there anyone who wouldn't agree to an interview? Well, you know, the thing about this book is that really it's been, you know, 13 years of

interviews, right? And so 13 years covering the team. and as I wrote in the acknowledgement section but there have been some new ones yeah yeah there are no ones as I wrote in the acknowledgement section like I don't want to single out any one executive coach or player because I appreciate everyone's time and like everyone has a story that that I could try to share but I would say and I'll get more into this as the book gets gets closer I spent a good deal of time talking to Jeffrey Lurie for this book and I found his perspective fascinating

Joe Banner was really helpful. I did not cover Joe, and I knew Joe. I've spoken in him for a few stories over the years, and I have respect for really what, he was ahead of his time in a lot of ways. And then I remember, frankly, I was always envious when you and Sheel would talk to him for the Ask Joe Banner column that you guys did on a weekly basis.

But it was, it was great hearing, some of his his memories, his, his perspective, catching up with guys like Brian Westbrook and Trey Tobbos, Malcolm Jenkins, right? There was a lot of good ones. And then, yeah, there are some people I would have liked to speak to for the book that either didn't respond or didn't, you know, they didn't like flat out say, like, Zach, I'm not helping you.

But, you know, I'm grateful for those that I've spoken. spoken with or I'm grateful for those that I spoke to, but really I can't emphasize this enough. It's it's like 13 years. So, you know, I could, there's, there's transcripts that I found from previous interviews with Nick Foles that were like, that was like really helpful. And it's like, oh, I remember talking to Nick about, you know, you know, it's interesting. I had a conversation with Nick back in 2014. And I asked him, if you were at a dinner table with Donovan McNabb, Ron Jaworski, Randall Cunningham, what would you ask them?

And his answer was like how they dealt with failure or something along those lines. And so fast forward to the day after Nick Foles wins the Super Bowl, what's Nick Foles's his message. Nick Foles's message is about dealing with failure. Wow. His whole thing was about dealing with failure. And so it was fascinating for me. Like this was just, this was a comment that he made like, it was just he and I talking. The thing that clearly it was like something that he thought about a lot. Yeah. And I remember specifically where I was. I was right outside the weight room in the Eagles facility, like the Breezeway from the locker room. And he and I were catching up. I just spoke into, you know, Jorsky. And I asked him, I was, I was,

I thought it was a good question. And so he talked about how they would deal with failure. So the Nick Ful section of the book, a lot of it's about like what he, yeah, a cousin Gray says he sounds stuffy as hell. I don't know why. I'm sorry. But the Nick Foll section leads with the morning after the Super Bowl when in his, in his like pinnacle moment, he chooses to speak about failure and like how failure.

and like how failure has helped shape him. And so then when I go back and I'm reading my transcripts, and I said, wow, like 2014, he brought this up. This is, and so you can kind of link those, those two. So I bring it up as his wife saying, there are different things from over the years that somebody says something at a given time. And then it's like a seed for how it turns out years later.

and there's stuff like, you know, with, whether it's Jason Kelsey or with, you know, Brandon Brooks, like things like, you, Zach Earts, you, you kind of combine different things that you've heard from them in interviews throughout the years. And perhaps it's, it's a rationalization, but I actually think it's true. Sometimes that's better than, like, if you speak to someone 10 years after the fact, and you say because we all you know i i found this out with my super bowl book i i say that it sounds kind of pompous when you put it that way but the way people people remember things looking back sure is a lot different than the way it wasn't in real time so for instance uh if in 2017

if in during the super bowl and i i ended 2018 when i'm writing that book if you ask people like uh you know what'd you think when nick foals took over it's a lot different than like in the moment yeah what it was so something something you're Sometimes the best stuff you get is like the real-time interviews you have in the moment. And that's why I try to keep all my transcripts and, you know, keep us. Yeah. Let's go inside baseball here. How does that work?

You have all your transcripts like on Google Docs? What do we get? Let's for the aspiring journalists. Yeah. Yeah. In my, I'm, I'm, on my computer. Well, I mean, fortunately, the Eagles transcribe all the coach interviews. But what's like really helpful is each year for the past decade outside of the pandemic year,

around the time of like once mini-camps over, you sit down with the head coach, you get them for 30 minutes an hour, whatever it may be, it varies. And those are like really good, those are really good transcripts there. When I was at the Inquirer and even at the athletic, I would try to do a big story. on the quarterback before each each season like taking the temperature of a quarterback and so it's it's transcripts but it's transcripts but you can also go through all those stories so I I went back and I read like you know different Michael Vicks stories or Carson you know I should mention Carson Wentz there's a lot in there on Carson Wentz and you know I was in Bismarck North Dakota and I was in

I was in Fargo North Dakota and then I I spoke to Carson at different stages of his, of his career. And so, and then you, you kind of see, like, the way it ended. So, yeah, so it kind of puts a lot of those things together. Love it. Thank you. The book, Zach. The franchise.

Yep. Comes out September 24th. Let's get those pre-orders in. And I have some, I have cool news about it that I'm, I will break it on this show. Okay. I'll share it on this show. maybe tomorrow or Friday. I think, you know what it is.

But like a, you know, and then I'll put it out on social or after. You're going to go show over social. Good for you. You're growing. But I finally mean something to you. No, but it's, it's a cool thing about, you know, someone who's a part of this book that I'm really excited to share with the audience. And then I will.

And then also, as, as we get closer, I am going to work out a system that if you are interested in a signed copy of the book, Like you can message me and I will send you the signed copy and you can just Venmo me the book. Yes. One of the questions from yesterday from Go Birds was if I buy your new book, can I have an awkward hug that lingers two seconds too long? No, no, no, no, I'm not doing any awkward hugs.

You won't, you won't make a hug for book purchase transaction? I'll do a firm handshake. You got to be very careful this day and age. Like, you know, what does that mean? What? What does that mean? You can't just go hugging people randomly, like, you know. This person is coming.

This is a consensual situation. They're asking for the hug. I prefer a handshake, make a hand shake. Maybe they don't want a hand shake. You know, I can do the wave. I don't know. You got to be careful. I'm sorry.

This is the wave? I just like, this like theater move. You can give him the wave. That was, I don't know what you want me to say. Do you want me to hug people? I'm just trying to. I do. Yeah.

Poor James and ZB doesn't want to get canceled. Definitely. The last thing I'll ever be is canceled. Like I don't speak it into existence. Yeah. I'm trying to be, I try to be very professional. Can't be hugging people. What a take.

Someone says, has been listening to too much, Sebastian. I can never listen to too much Sebastian. Calisco. He's awesome. You a Sebastian fan? No? Brooklyn, it's too much about me. What are you watching these days? Well, the show is over. Okay. No, sorry. So we focus on me and my drawers, but I can't ask you one question.

I told you about my drawers. About what you're watching. Yeah, I need, we need a new thing to watch. We were making our way through season three of hacks. Okay. Top chef, but that's, we need a new thing in the rotation. Okay. Yeah. All right. That'll do it for this episode of the P. I want Eagles podcast. Thank you again to James Palmer for giving us some breaking news,

some deep insight into Vic Fangio and what the Eagles, how the Eagles are viewed around the NFL. We look forward to getting James back at some point. That was a lot of fun. Back tomorrow at noon, Friday at noon as well, for Zach and Bree on the Ones and Twos. We thank everybody for listening and watching.

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