PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | NFL Draft, Day 3: Eagles add six players, including Jeremiah Trotter Jr. and five players on offense

Episode Date: April 27, 2024

It's Day 3 of the NFL Draft, and the Eagles are active as always!From Clemson running back Will Shipley, to wide receivers Ainias Smith and Johnny Wilson, to offensive linemen Trevor Keegan and Dylan McMahon, the Eagles fortified some depth on offense. And, they made waves with the addition of Jeremiah Trotter Jr.Join Zach Berman and Bo Wulf, plus special guest Les Bowen and Fran Duffy, for a comfy five hours of Draft coverage you won't get anywhere else. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Volvo, Zach Berman here to take you through all the action on the day for the sickos. And of course, it's all presented by our friends at ButcherBox. Butcher Box is offering our listeners an amazing deal where new users can get free meat, plus $20 off your first box. Join today using our link at butcherbox.com slash p.hly. And use code PHLY to receive this exclusive offer today. before time runs out. All right, let's set the scene,

Zach Berman. Yesterday, the Eagles, trading up for Cooper DeGine, trading down for Jalix Hunt. That's in addition to Quinion Mitchell. And today, they enter the big day with four, or seven, I'm sorry, seven picks, three in the fourth,

120, 123, and 132. Three in the fifth, 152, 171 and 172, and one in the sixth. I would say, uh, my expectation, and tell me if you agree, is that they will not be making seven picks today.

No, I do not anticipate them making seven picks. Now, I think that they'll be creative in moving up, moving down. I think they'll try to get some 20, 25 value back. As I said, they don't have DeAndre Swift next year. They don't have a fourth round pick next year because of DeAndre Swift trade, so they could try to get that value back. But I would see them being aggressive. and I don't think like getting seventh round picks is the path they're going to go.

I think if they have someone that they like in the fourth round, they'll be aggressive. But I would imagine they come out of this draft with 70 guys. Yeah, and I think there's just you look at the roster. There's not space for that many rookies. I don't think they want quite that many draft picks. I would imagine if you look at all the trade charts, basically any combination of their three fourth round picks and their middle of the round, fifth round pick, any of those combinations. gets them up to the top of the fourth round.

You know, Howie Roseman talked yesterday at his press conference about how before the draft today, they have this meeting at 10 o'clock where everybody's talking about the players they're passionate about. The passion meeting. The passion meeting,

which, you know, from a process standpoint, is that, does that make a lot of sense to reorganize your board right before the draft? I know things have happened and you've made picks and things change,

but isn't that what the whole pre-draft process is for stacking these guys? correctly it's not reorganizing the board okay and he actually made that clear that like geoffrey you're not allowed to change grades you can't shift things based on needs it's basically um i don't want to frame it this way but the first two days of the draft it's like the GM and the coaches i can are you know i'm not saying it's their draft sure but there's kind of a this this feeling that day three is the scouts day right day three are the people who are on the road you know it's those picks. It's free agency. And so you want to know because, look, a lot of the guys,

the first two days, everyone kind of knows about, right? This is the chance for your, the guy your area scout is really passionate about. When you hear the expression, pound the table, today is a pound the table day as far as the scouts go. Joe Douglas used to tell me about, like, a similar type meeting. I don't know if you call it a passion type meeting, but basically where you go around the room and you say, all right, who's the guy that you feel very strongly about? Like, speak now. Speak now. And we'll see what can be done.

And sometimes it can't be done, right? Sometimes, like how it just goes with. And then you wonder, like, are you overweighing the person who's a better, like, public speaker? Like, whether they're not a better scout or not. Yeah. You know, they make a better case, but that doesn't mean it's the better pick. Yeah. I know what that's like being on the show sometimes, right?

Like, you have a good argument. You've been crushing it. No, historically on this show, you're a very good arguer. You have, you know, you have a whole skit plan. You're wrong. You're a better arguer. You have a whole skit plan. You know, I think about the Siriani-Lauri meeting where I'm trying to make points that I think,

I mean, Siriani would make and you're down by the interview. Yeah. So in any event, yeah, no, that is fair. But look, they have these meetings before. But the general point of it is that they, because they're all revved up now and there are guys who they're feeling good about, I would be very surprised if like we don't see them trading up in the next like, you know, five to six picks, basically, knowing what they want to do. Now, Jatavian Sanders is the first player selected on day three of the draft, a tight end from Texas,

who you and I were talking about like the two guys who stood out like a sore thumb entering this day were Troy Franklin, the wide receiver from Oregon and Jatavian Sanders, the tight end from Texas. and it's at the point where it's like they've fallen so far relative to pre-draft consensus that you wonder like what are we missing here but what are your expectations for like position-wise where you see the Eagles focusing today well as as bow put on the headline of today's show it was an all-defense draft the first three days or the first two days first three picks they'll hit on the offense today they'll hit the offensive line we've talked about this for a few weeks. They had three offensive linemen out the door from the active roster last year. Jason Kelsey,

of course, Jack Driscoll, Sue Opetta. They've only added Matt Hennessy. It's not going to be a situation where this is just undrafted guys or rookie free or I'm sorry, futures contract guys. There are going to be draft picks, a draft pick or maybe two who make this team. And so I would pay attention to the offensive line. I think wide receiver is a spot where the Eagles are going to continue to address here as we see the Broncos traded up with the Seahawks. So those are two spots in particular. We mentioned tight end. There's there's some depth there.

I think there's some good running back still on the board. Sure. At running back, I think going into it, the Eagles didn't feel they needed to come out of this draft with the back. Now it's certainly a spot where you can argue. But you look at what they did in signing CJ Usama and we had the question of where are they more likely to add running back or tight end? like they're okay depth-wise at tight end right now they're not really okay at running back depth like

they've got kenny gainwell for one more year sure and then tyrian davis price and lou nichols like they'll know they will add somebody in undrafted but i would not be surprised if if you know in round five we see a running back no i certainly would it would not be surprised especially because it's not a position now the tight end and running back are two positions that haven't really been hit hard there are only four running backs taken uh on the first two days of the draft players that we talked like Jalen Wright. And there goes Troy Franklin. So it's interesting.

The two players. And you and I talked about it before the show started, that it felt a little bit like Kili Ringo from last year, and that seems like that's exactly what happened. Exactly. And Troy Franklin L,

pairing up with Bo Nix. Ah. What? No, that's interesting. Oh, okay. I thought the Eagles made a move. No, no. So yeah, so those were the two guys

that jumped out to me. I have a piece in all p.hly.com right now where I kind of give my thoughts and notes from the J-O-X Hunt pick. And I said, all right, well, if I'm going to be critical of it, what would my alternative be, like the Bow Wolf Shadow Draft? And I said, Joe or Troy Franklin and Josh Sanders would have been the two guys in consideration for me there. I hopped out quickly yesterday, so I'll just say this on the hunt pick. Yeah, let's talk about it.

I have no objection to like the type or to the pick. It's more this. The, if I'm taking that upside swing, if I'm taking the swing, I'm taking the swing, I'm a small school player without elite production. I prefer that to be a day three swing. Now, Howie Roseman said, first off, in terms of the backstory here, this is someone who's been on their radar since actually last summer. That's when the scouts first introduced him to Howie.

They've monitored him closely. They obviously brought him in for a 30 visit. Vic Fangio, as the broadcast said yesterday, he was one of Vic Fangio's favorite players in the draft. Howie didn't deny that. What a gift for Howie from a narrative standpoint. Like he's the one who picked him. If he fails, like, oh, well.

Yeah, no, this is someone who. I got Vic his guy. I think the freaky tools was the expression that was used. The argument for for Hunt. And so if you juxtapose it to some other, or I should say, compare it to some other edge rushers on the board, the Eagles weren't looking for just like a rotation. guy, right? Because, you know, they don't think there's an immediate need there.

They're happy with the group they have. Right. Timeline-wise, for a developmental player, it is, it fits perfectly. Exactly. Because they don't need a guy this year, but they certainly need a guy next year. And that's, that's really the swing there. And how he said, someone in the draft room said, just think what this guy could be like two years from now, three years from now. And that's, I think that's the thinking here is that there are tools that can be developed, you know, 6, 4, 250, 35, 35, four inch arms,

ran well, converted safety. Like there's, there's tools that they think, unique tools that you don't usually see.

It's a position that they obviously prioritize. So of course, Eagles fans will remember Brian Smith was a third round pick out of McNeese State

in 2008. And he didn't last one year with the Eagles, right? That was kind of wild. Brian Smith, yeah. Yeah,

it's a third round pick. Yeah. So they've gone at, you know, Curtis Marsh was a third round pick from you. Tall State at corner. That was what, 2011, I believe, 2010, 2011.

He did not pan out. They've taken these swings in the third round before that have not always worked, but they're taking a clear swing here. They would rather try to get that small school edge rusher with tools, who you bring him into the NFL building, you develop him, and he can, he has the upside of a double-digit sack guy, than someone who's just kind of going to be your fourth pass rusher. Yeah, I mean, it's, you can,

by the development story. Like, maybe there's a comparison to be made between like the, the basketball player who grows up being a guard and then hits this gross spurt

and all of a sudden he's always jealous of that person. All of a sudden he's a center size, but he's still got the ball handling chops. If you're thinking about Jalek's Hunt as a guy who can be a play in space like rushing a linebacker, he's got the coverage instincts

and stuff already. So you're not teaching him that. And if you can teach him the pass rush refinement, then you can buy that. And this is like, what is believable about like getting better? And if it's just like, oh, well, if it's Nolan Smith, like, you know,

he's going to really put on some weight. But like Nolan Smith was in the Georgia weight room and program for a long time. Like they were probably trying to put weight on. And it's not just that like Cornell and Houston Christian might not have had weight rooms. but like he has gone through this recent grosser. Like this body is new to him.

He hasn't been working on this body quite as long. He's a little bit older. Like he's already 23. So it's not a total like ball of clay. But like from a timeline standpoint, from a position standpoint, I can buy it. Like in my shadow draft, I would have had a different pick. Yeah. But that's fine.

I think it's a fine gamble to take. But I also think you have to be. realistic about the expectations that the chances are he's probably never going to be an impact player sure yeah and and so i started a great phone call did you see that i did not see it i i want to watch it i i saw him say big pimping yeah how he calls him he goes what up big pimping that's what howie said no that's what that's what jellick said oh that's a jellx okay yeah all right um good for jellics yeah right cornell smart guy um so yeah i had him in my seven round mock draft i was debating between fourth and fifth round.

You said, you've been all over it. No, no, no, but I frame it as a way of saying, like, third round is a little early for that type of player for me. You could be splitting hairs now. You could say, all right, they got it and they had two fourth round picks attached to it because they traded back twice and were still able to land him. It certainly seemed based on the way the Eagles were talking that they did not think he was going to last much longer.

Howie Roseman gave the anecdote that on the screen in front of him was Daniel Jeremiah's, you know, best of elbow and Hunt kept being up. up there. This was one like, you know, if you looked at some of the draft prognosticators or the big time draft analysts, Hunt was gaining steam, was expected to be like a third round, fourth round pick. So you understand it there. I just, I typically in the third round one, a little better bet, but I don't necessarily fault them for that. And I have to acknowledge, too, like I am biased probably toward people I watched. I never watched Houston Christian.

I said on the show a few weeks ago that when Hunt came on my radar from talking to somebody, you know, I looked up on on YouTube and I saw grainy footage. There's not much there. Yeah. There's some senior bowl like pass rush clips. I can't decipher much from that. So obviously I would lean more toward Troy Franklin, who I watched quite a bit or Josh Sanders, who I watch quite a bit, then

other than J.OX Hunt. This is also why the Eagle Scouting staffs paid, right? Like, they're paid to find guys like J.OX Hunt. Now, from a process standpoint of how it netted out in terms of the moving up and then the moving back in the second round, how do you view

Cooper DeGine and J-Lex Hunt and some fourth-round picks versus Mike Sanristrill and call it Michael Hall or something like or Patrick Paul even. So I like it because I really like the gene. From a process perspective,

I would much rather have two second round picks. Like I'd rather have 50 and 53 than what, 40, a late third rounder and extra fourth rounders. Like the 50 and 53, you're getting two of your top 50 guys, right? Right there. So typically. But is it better to have a first round pick and then two top 50 guys or two guys who were in your top 25?

Well, yeah, so that was my next sentence here. So, but in this case, I really like it because I really like the gene. I asked Howie Roseman specifically yesterday when you did those scenarios last week, did the gene come up for 22? And he said, yes. Like, this was, now it could be a convenient. And then the Jeffrey Lurie part of the phone call to Cooper, DeGine, like, we went to bed last night, you know, figuring out how to try to get you. Like, it tells you that, like, you know, in a different situation, he might have been the pick at 22. So that's why it's, it's, it's always.

always easy. Every GM goes up there and says, we couldn't believe this guy was still on the board, right? Or, you know, he was... Yonder's a frohold, friend of the duns. Yeah, we had a high grade on this player. I believe, Howie, when he says, there were scenarios where 22 would have been Cooper de Gene. Like, the stick and pick scenarios could have been Cooper de Gene.

They did a lot of work on him. They really liked him. And that was clear in the Jeffrey Lurie phone call. And it was clear, too, by the way, We always talk in the past about how Howie Rosamne needs to win every trade. And like he acknowledged there are trade charts online that would not have favored that Eagles deal. But this was a player that when you have an opportunity to get a guy like this, you have to be aggressive. And so we talk all the time on the show about tears.

That tier was dropping off. If you had X amount of first round grades and Cooper the Gene has a first round grade, by all means, go up and get them. Because I would rather have two guys in my top 20 than three guys. guys in my top 50. I think that's totally defensible. I think that's totally

reasonable. Yeah, and I think it worked out all right for them. Dadey and Taylor Demerson, the Devin Jackson favorite going off the board to the Arizona Cardinals there at 104. Before we talk about some

possibilities here for the Eagles, Zach, I think the one major takeaway roster-wise, I think there are two, but there's one major one from the way that the first three rounds has played out is maybe the Eagles feel

a little bit better about Tyler Steen than we were led to believe? I don't think so. You don't think so? No, I just think it's the way the board fell, right? I don't think they were going to, when Cooper the Gene was there, I don't think they were going to force it, right? I do think that first round pick could have been an offensive lineman in a different situation.

Sorry, I was starting to drink the coffee and then I, I'll go back to that one. Totally fine. When you're speaking. No. And so I think that I don't think their opinion changed. I certainly think this has helped Tyler Steen's stock, right? It's helped his case. If you're investing...

It's got the locker. Yeah, if you're investing in Tyler Steen, you feel a little better now. But I don't think this was a sign of confidence about Tyler Steen as much as the Eagles kind of playing the board, right? And the board, you know, the board came to them in the first round. They were aggressive going after the Gene because he was an outlier there. I don't think there was any guard tackle there, especially at the hunt pick, who I would have said, like, you need to take this guy.

because when I looked at that board today, it was relatively barren in terms of, like, guys that I would really feel strongly about. I mean, Zach Zinter was someone who would have interested me if they didn't keep trading back. But I think that this Helpsstein's case, but I don't think this is a sign of what they think of steam. And if you look at the offensive lineman taken after Dijin,

if you were going to do it that way, it's Jackson Powers Johnson, Zach Frazier, Patrick Paul. Like, I think they made the right choice there, it feels like. Yeah, I would agree. Okay. So, working towards the Eagles being on the clock,

and I also think they had the PHIs there. That's your metric. Yeah, we finally got the PHI on the scroll there, but I also think good chance they're going to bump up here, potentially. Some players to just, you know, throw some names around for if it's going to be running back, as Justin A. Boeweebe goes off the board. I believe you had him as. I had him going to the Eagles.

Yeah, great. I mean, I should say great story. He's a player who in the Alabama program, they feel very strongly about. He's dealt with a lot of personal adversity between an injury, between death and his family. But a real versatile player, I think he had seven sacks last year. He can play different techniques along the line. Jim Harbaugh knows what he's doing. And Jim Harbaugh is adding a good player right there.

I like this from Rich Bobby. Somebody had a tweet about how. Jalix Hunt is like the name of somebody when you buy a Jalen Hunt's jersey from Fanatics. It's pretty good. You got Air Fanatics Diggin, huh? Yeah. I mean, Jalox Hunt's a great Madden name, right? Like if Jalox Hunt's coming up in your drafting.

I mean, it's a great, like, a Mortal Kombat name or something like that. I wasn't a Mortal Kombat guy. But I'm saying, but you're in like, you know, 20, 31 of a franchise and JLX Hunt's there. And you're like, ooh, you got to take JalX Hunt. Absolutely. This guy sounds fun. So running back, Jalen Wright from Tennessee,

Braylon Allen, your boy from Wisconsin, Aldrich Estime from Notre Dame, some possibilities there. Wide receiver with Troy Franklin off the board. There are three guys

who I really like. Okay. Malik Washington is one. Yeah, my brother loves Malik Washington. Which one? Matt. I'm like,

all right, Matt, you got chill with Malik Washington. I really like Malik Washington. I think you see a guy in Malik Washington who who understands the space around him really well.

He has a speed of vision about the field that really jumps out to me. Really like Milliege Washington. Jvonne Baker, who you and I famously had a nasty argument about. I don't mind you. I don't mind him. And he would be a, he would be a Quess Watkins replacement, essentially. Big play. A guy had over 20 yards of catch last year at UCF, has some speed.

credited Stavante Smith as someone who's real helpful for him. There you go. And yes, they were teammates for a year. And then the other guy a little bit further down the board, Jacob Cowing from Arizona, who is a slot player undersized, a little bit older, but fast and also sort of sees the field around him pretty well. Yeah, Thrived with Howie Roseman's high college roommate,

Jetfish, at Arizona. On that wide receiver list, Tess Walker is the player who would jump out to me. I like the height, speed, combination. I thought that when he entered Carolina's lineup last year, there was, he was late getting eligibility. The NCAA was kind of holding it up when he finally got in there. I thought Carolina got a lot better. I saw him make, you know, so he was the only guy, I think, who beat Nate Wiggins downfield last year. I like Tess Walker. Tiler Dunn did a great story on Anthony

Gold. I don't really like Anthony Gold that much. I kind of like Anthony Gold, but yeah, not in the fourth round. And the other player worth mentioning the Eagles brought in for a pre-draft visit is Aeneas Smith. Yes. And I talked about Ania Smith as someone who I think, like from a multi-use perspective, makes sense to me. I saw in the beast he was compared to Elijah Moore. I mean, that would that'll be a decent outcome. The one other guy I would mention is Brendan Rice. Brendan Rice, who if you're talking about like, you want that ex-receiver. You want the backup to take over for Devante Parker. behind AJ Brown.

Brendan Rice gives you that. I mean, he's got good size. 6-2-208. He ran a 4-5-40. He was Caleb Williams' top receiver at USC last year. So Brendan Rice would fit in there. Tight end. My expectation is that they wouldn't do that here.

But Theo Johnson, the athletic, Uber athletic Canadian from Penn State. Jared Wiley from TCU, Kade Stover, former linebacker from Ohio State. At tackle, slim pickings. Slim Pickens. Christian Jones. Some people like him from Texas. Javon Foster from Missouri.

Garrett Greenfield is a really good athlete from a smaller school, but on the older side. On the interior, we talked about Christian Mahogany. We both like Tanner Bordellini, and I'm actually a little bit surprised that he hasn't gone off the board. Me too, with that testing. With that testing, yes. Bo Limer from Arkansas, Hunter Norzad,

who our friend, Brandon Thorne really liked as a player. Cornell guy, right? Originally, yes. What if they took two Cornell transfers? Corner in the Ivy League market. Would that count as two players from the same school? No, it would not. Okay, that's too bad.

And then Dylan McMahon is the guy who I like late from NC State. Yeah, you're big on Dylan McMahon. On the edge. Like, I liked Austin Booker better than Jailix Hunt. Okay. From a profile perspective. And I liked what I saw from him at the Senior Bowl, but the measurables are not there like they are with Jalick's Hunt.

I would be surprised if they add a, Another edge rusher defensive tackle. You got Brandon Dorliss from Oregon, Mackay Wingo, Trey's son from LSU, DeWain Carter from Duke, you know, slim pickings there as well. Leonard Taylor from Miami. He's a name to store away. He was, he's early.

Leonard Taylor, the third. Yeah, he's an early entry. But if you're looking at, you know, it's funny. There's a, there is a, there is a, just a handful of like day three early entry. Exactly. Yeah. And it's,

it's because there was a good story. recently in the athletic about this is is that with NIL now if you were like a day three guy you can actually make more sometimes staying in college than what your bonus is going to be and now your salary is going to be higher but what your bonus is going to be in the NFL like if you're not guaranteed a roster spot in the NFL then you can actually make more playing in college than you would

in the league well I was about to go to linebacker and the guy who I probably like the most was just selected by the Tennessee Titans. That's Cedra Gray from the U.N.C. Really like his profile, a lot of starting experience and not too old, tested well. But Jeremiah Trotter now all of a sudden is standing out like a sore thumb at linebacker. You've got to wonder if they would be interested. And then also Tommy Eichenberg from Ohio State, Jordan McGee, who we have talked about from Temple.

And then a few other players deeper than that, like J.T. Bertrand from Notre Dame, Darius Muwisouisau from UCLA. Like, tell me, do you really believe that the Eagles have, like, not taking Trotter off the board, but, like, they are skittish about it, even though how I was talking about they would view that as a positive? Well, it gets to a point where value is value, right? And I think that there might have been a sentiment that, like, why would you do this to the guy? You know, why would you have that, that type of pressure and expectations on him? I was, I do feel like the further it goes. Exactly. That's the point. And you hope that your fan base has like a degree of nuance and sophistication to understand that this is not, this is not the father, right?

Now, I was driving in this morning, listening to actually, I was listening to Jimmy Kemski on with Glenn Mack now and Mike Sealski on WIP. And one point that Jimmy made it, and it's an interesting one, the player that I've compared Trotter to is Nicopa Dean. and Jimmy said he said they already have a player like Trotter in Nacobo Bedeen and he doesn't think they would kind of want to duplicate that. My personal opinion is that you don't let it can't stay healthy. Well, if you like a player, you don't let Nacobie keep you from drafting a player. But when you're talking about like from a type perspective, maybe they want a more toolsy type player.

I on my on the, there's not a lot there. Yeah. And on the my guys list that we had yesterday, Jeremiah Trotter Jr. was the linebacker that I had. because he just made plays consistently at Clemson. And that's what stood up to me. At this point, I mean, I would think there would be a totally good pick. Sure.

Sure. Just, I think he stands out as the best linebacker available right now. I would just tell the fans, like, don't say all this, you know, they got their father. Get Mike Kafka off my screen. Wow, you really don't like Mike Kafka. Just hold a grudge, that's all. You hold a grudge with the best of them. Also, at linebacker.

Curtis Jacobs and Nathaniel Watson, two other guys. Curtis Jacobs was a former big recruit at Penn State. So there are tools there, but it wasn't consistent for the Nittany Lions. Now, this is one small rejoinder to the Eagles going corner corner. The position that I think is the deepest right now of guys still, you know, good value is probably cornerback. Sure. They're obviously not going to draft a corner now. but if they had gone a different position at one of those picks,

then you could have backfilled here with a Kalin Carson type, a T.J. Tampa, a Jarvis Brownlee, a few guys who I do like. So just the way that the draft has played out is interesting. And then, I mean, do you think that safety would even be on the radar? I feel like it would be kind of wild at this point. But Jaden Hicks does sort of stand out as a good value here. No, you're right.

That would, I would not roll that out. Now, if you went corner, you could, in theory, say you're looking at Cooper DeGine as like an all over-the-field type guy, but I still, I think they're good with numbers there. Kyrie Jackson goes off the board, the corner from Oregon to... He's an old, but he is tall and long, that's for sure. Transfer from Alabama. Alabama has some good players transfer out of that program, including Javon Baker and Kyrie Jackson. And, yeah. Do you like any of these safeties?

So you and I spoke about Kitan Aladipo, who I liked him a bit. Your boy from Wake Forest, Malik Mustafa, yeah. That is someone there. Actually, Evan Williams is probably my favorite of these day three safeties. If Chris was here, he would want us to mention Bow Braid. Yes, Chris loves Bo Braid. He talks about it last night after he left. Okay, yeah.

Now, he messaged. He had to add one Maryland guy. He would be Bo Baudet. Over Glaze. Yeah, does not love Delmarie. glaze. Okay. I do agree though that Delmar glaze sounds like a nice finish to a piece of piece of ham or something like that. Nice Delmar glaze. Yeah, put a little Delmar glaze on. Yes. You're eating good. It's made in Delmar, New Jersey, right? Um, how...

The food city. Delmar? Yeah. Yeah. You know, you're a fan. I don't know where Delmar is. I'm sorry. I know where Belmar is. Maybe I'm conflating Belmar and Delmar or turn, not conflating, but turning Belmar into Del Mar. I wouldn't surprise me. I got four hours on the dot last night. Oh, that's pretty good for you. Yeah. Yeah.

So I'm at seven hours and 48 minutes over the past two days. But, I mean, full of energy right now. Your performance yesterday, Zach. It's nice to say. No, no, no. You can deflect if you want. Here, let me just finish this thought here. Go ahead.

Because I said a style of linebacker that the Eagles have liked in the past is the converted safety to safety turn linebackers. There are three players who would fit that description for this year, at least from how I did my research. James Williams already being labeled as a linebacker. He was a five-star recruit safety. He's someone who he's the guy you love and Madden. You know, he's like 6-5, 2.35 can run.

Change his age. Yeah. But then two other guys is Texas Texx, Tyler Owens and Missouri's Jayon Carly's would be two other. I like Jayling Carly. Yeah, safeties who you could see as like what they tried to do with Jacoby Stevens. What they tried to do is Nate Gary, what they tried to do with Keenan Clayton. What is interesting is that Nate Gary and Jacoby Stevens, college safeties who, when the Eagles drafted them, they already announced them as linebackers.

Like that wasn't, we'll bring him in the camp and we'll see what he is. That was we're evaluating this guy specifically as a linebacker. Brandon Dorliss, the defensive tackle from Oregon going off the board to the Atlanta Hawkins. So they didn't need a, they didn't need a defensive player in the first round. They got Pennix and now they got Brandon Dorless. Very funny text from E.J., shout out to E.J., our dear friend. He shares a screenshot of he was asking his wife, which of these names do you think is real Delmar Glaze or Christiana Kruller? She went for Christiana, and he pulled a Delmar Glaze on her.

Pretty good. is there a delmar in New Jersey now Delmar there is there is a Belmar New Jersey I'm sorry about that in Monmouth County named for beautiful sea

in the Italian language oh yeah how about that? Yes is it I don't believe it's on the sea though no but it's named after that that's kind of false advertising

I guess it's like maybe you can't name your your town beautiful sea If it's inland. No, it is on the ocean. Okay. It's on the shoreline in. Oh, okay.

Well, that's different. But it's like Jersey Shore, Pennsylvania. Which is not Jersey Shore, which, which, by the way, we never actually talked about that during Super Bowl. You wanted to mention that. And you did not on the show when I saw Robbie Gold. Yeah, that's right. I forgot about that. And you thought it was like, I was like, hey, Jersey Shore, Pennsylvania.

Yeah. And you thought it was like, you just walked, like, you just saw him walking. I think he was going on the CHGO show. Yeah, we introduced ourselves. Like, hey, Jersey Shore, Pennsylvania. Yes. Yeah, one of the weirdest interactions I've ever been a part of. Yes.

Yeah, I suppose if, yeah, that could be weird, but if, he's probably telling that story. How weird it out. But the Super Bowl and someone knows from Jersey Shore, right? Javan Bay, the Patriots got two of my guys, Javon Baker and Jail and Polk. Okay. There you go. Elliot Wolf knows what he's doing. You and Elliot.

Yeah. I guess I'm a Pat's guy now. By the way, that reminds me, did you say? see the clip of Russell Wilson taking batting practice? I did not, but... Oh, my God. What? He didn't look good? He looked so good.

Oh, yeah. Oh, okay. He looked... Oh, like, I turned me into a Russell Wilson guy. I mean, he played minorly baseball. I know he did. But the swing was beautiful. Yeah, but you would expect that. He can be as corny and weird as he wants to be now. I'm a Russell Wilson guy. Like, he was... Those swings were...

awesome. Oh, so yeah, I mean. Talk about moving the needle. Well, here's a little background there, okay? Because I was covering the ACC at the time. And Russell Wilson was a polarizing figure or not a polarizing figure. It was like he was something that, he was a name that kept coming up in my coverage. He's from Richmond, Virginia.

Okay. And UVA did not recruit him or, or I'm sorry, they did not take him. They, howie long really wanted them to take Russell. Russell Wilson played baseball with Kyle Long. I think I told the story on Birds with Friends. And Howie Long was trying to tell them to take him. There were like three really good quarterbacks that year in the state of Virginia. Tyra Tower, Peter Lalik, and Russell Wilson.

Virginia Tech took Tyra Tower. UVA took Peter Lalik, who was like your, you know, 6-5-215-pound, like dropback tag. He was from Northern Virginia. And so Russell Wilson went to NC State, okay? Now, Peter Laleck did not work out at UVA. Tyra Tower worked out at Votech. But Russell Wilson was awesome at NC State. But this is the thing.

Russell wanted to play baseball every summer for the Colorado Rockies in their farm. He was in their farm system. And Tom O'Brien, the coach at NC State, did not love the fact that his quarterback was going to play baseball every summer. Right? And he had this big-time recruit also from the state of Virginia, Mike Lennon coming in. All right? And so it was kind of like the line in the sand. Like, all right, you keep playing baseball.

We're going to play. We're going to play Mike Lennon. So Russell Wilson transfers to Wisconsin, wins that or he brings them to the Rose Bowl, right? He's awesome there. But yeah, I mean, Russell Wilson's story when he was in high school was one that I was following very closely because I was covering UVA at the time. There you go. I'm actually I'm a little surprised

Eagles haven't moved up already we're at 111 on the board the Eagles approaching they're at 120 if you look at some of the charts I'm using the Rich Hill chart you know if they if they if how do you know what chart to use

I think the Rich Hill one's a little bit more accurate these days but there is no there is no uniform chart but if you look at that I mean at this point they could even go from 120 up here using one of their late fifth round picks

if they wanted to. So curious. Unless they just want to take a lot of swings. Well, it's interesting. Like I don't think that they want to use all these picks, but I mean, there are a lot of spots where they could use some depth help. Like, you know, just go through it on the roster.

They could use a running back. They could use probably two receivers. They could use a tight end. They could use two or three offensive linemen. You use a defensive tackle. I probably don't need another edge at this point. Could use two linebackers. could use another safety.

Like there's a lot of spots there. Now, obviously they're going to add guys in undrafted, but there are jobs to be won on the like the second level. For sure. And that's, look, when you have a lot of high-priced players, which the Eagles have, one thing you're thinking about is how can you get as many, like quality reserves on rookie contracts?

What you don't want to be in a situation is where you end up having to pay a guy like, four and a half, five million just to be like a placeholder for you, right? Yes. You would rather have that pipeline. You want the discrepancy. I don't want to say you want to eliminate the middle class, but you want like the blue chip guys and you want the guys on rookie contracts.

And you want fewer of what like Devin White is right now where you have like that one year, five million dollar contract. So which of the three of us should go get less at the door? Oh, you don't have to? I believe he's here, yes. Wait, is he at the door here, or is he walking toward his door at home? Well, I imagine he's walking toward the door here. Oh, okay.

Was he 1 o'clock for us? No, he says while I was driving in. Oh, okay. Sorry, I didn't see the text while I was driving. Yeah, so I think he's going to be outside on a minute, yes. Okay. So Les Bowen, going to be joining us shortly. We're also going to have Fran Duffy later this afternoon.

Probably we'll wait until the Eagles have made a few picks, and he can tell us the inside scoop on some. some of those guys as the Green Bay Packers prepare to make a selection. The Daniel Haynebridge, the international fan of the year getting ready. You're good. As the Packers take, make the pick, man. Sorry. Nothing I'd be sorry about.

I'm having some coffee. I'm kind of envious of the Celsius. Celsius does better for me than the coffee. Yeah? Yeah. Yeah, I couldn't. I could not. Oh, they're taking my guy, Heaven Williams.

Kevin Williams. Wow. Yeah, I could not go back to the latte well after last night. I don't know what it was. I mean, that was a very weird ceiling. Must be the soy. Feeling for me. I don't think I've ever, I don't know that I've ever experienced such a thing. It's like about an hour of the night where I just, I was totally out of it.

Yep, you know what? You came back really strong. I don't know if it was over caffeination, if it was something that I ate. It's over stimulation. Yeah, over stimulation. Yeah, we were on for a long time. Like I went to the Eagles facility and I was telling the other reporters about what we were doing. And they were like, what?

Why? And I'm like, this is the gig, man. This is the gig. But they're like, are there breaks? And I was like, no breaks. The lack of the brakes is the thing that builds up. But maybe we'll get nice and loopy later today. But I got to say, I am so grateful for the audience.

Like we see these numbers, man. and I'm not trying to give ourselves a pat on the back, but look, we're a nine-month-old operation here. And to see... We're almost fully gestated. But to see the interest, to see the following, it is rewarding. We do this for you. Just think about how much bigger the audience would grow if you give them the full Monty. No, the audience will grow.

If we continue to do good prospective work and we're viewed as the place to find entertaining and formative content on the Eagles. and I think that's what we're providing in abundance this weekend. And not for nothing, Zach. You cut me off when I was trying to say it before. But you are on a heater, my friend. And it's not just the brakes, which have been really fun and added to the value of the show. But your antenna has been all over it this entire draft season. Well, thank you.

I mean, I'll say this, is that I'm going into year 13 covering the Eagles. I said the other day when we were kind of talking about like our board versus the team board, I've kind of gotten to a point sometimes where I can't really separate those two. Like I trained myself to almost think about like think like I'm the Eagles, right? And you become very impressionable sometimes about the things that they're saying and you're hearing about them. And so you like to, if in year 13 on this beat, I don't kind of have a pulse on the way that I think they're going to think and the way that I think they're going to operate. it going on the chat. No.

So that's kind of what it is. I mean, I wish it was as simple as like they tell me they're going to do X, right? But no, it's... That would be interesting. I see what you just stood there. Okay. But it's more, all right. There goes Tess Walker to Baltimore.

And DeKamarian Richardson went to pick before. But you're hearing X, Y, and Z. And you try to piece that you say, all right, this does that up. this doesn't add up like like the talk for instance of the Eagles trading up for a wide receiver I was like all right that's not that's not

that's not going to happen I mean more specifically like trading up for Cooper DeGine yesterday you talked about Jalek's hunt a lot like now those guys they brought those guys in for visits they drafted all three guys so they brought in for visits like they are not like trying to fool people with those so that's part of it I think the thing with the gene

and like I'm not talking about myself here I'm talking about the Eagles here is it gets so where where I think the surface level analysis might be, well, they took a corner yesterday. They're not going to take a corner today. And if you cover the Eagles long enough or you have a sense of that, like, that's not how they're thinking.

That's not how they're operating, right? And we use the 2002 Eagles as an example, but they're making bets on players at positions that are important. They're looking beyond this season at midterm or long-term needs. So when you have someone that you know they like and he's sticking out, and it just happens in that case, it was a player that I really liked. And so I was probably a little more aggressive there. Like I had Troy Falano going to the Eagles.

Troy Falano was not, I was on record there. He was not a personal favorite of mine. I thought he was a player that the Eagles would like. There were things in that profile that did not appeal to me. All right, that's, we don't need to talk about, you know, let's, let's get back to the board. The Eagles are coming up here. They sure are. Jacksonville is their picks.

Now, Baltimore is taking Eric all. Oh, I'm sorry, Cincinnati's taking Eric all. Let me take a breath here. The Jacksonville pick must already be in. Yeah, Jacksonville, 116, Indianapolis, 117, Seattle 118, Pittsburgh 119, and Philadelphia 120. So we know Eric, oh, no, this is going to be Javon 5. Foster from Missouri first to the Jags and then I recall.

So that will leave it with only five picks to go before the Eagles are on the board. What do you think? What do I think here? Sorry. I think it's going to be trot. You think it's going to be trot? I mean, that'd be a great storyline part of this year, for sure. Let's see what this O line group looks like right now.

Yeah, it's so underwhelming. I mean, they could go Bordolini, they could go Christian Mahogany, Mason McCormick, you know. I don't know that any of those guys are moving the needle. I do think, like, they're going to go offense at some point here, but they've got three fourth-round picks if Trots the guy. They do need a linebacker. You know, I guess they could take Tommy Eichenberg, but wide receiver. We have talked about Malik Washington and Jacob Cowling are the two guys who I really like. The one guy we didn't mention is Johnny Wilson, who they had in on a 30 visit.

Yeah, that would disappoint me. Because of the players, sure. And we should mention that the players, that the all three players that the Eagles drafted came in on 30 visits. And this is something that they have a tendency of doing. So in that group, Christian Mahogany is someone that they brought in. Now, I just want to give some background on these 30 visits. Sometimes you're doing it with injured type play, with players who are injured because you're not allowed. to work them out there when they come, but you're allowed to meet with them.

And I believe your doctors are allowed to meet with them, too. Is that correct, right? So Christian Mahogany is someone who he's had injury. He had a knee concern in the past, missed the 2020 season because of an ACL injury. Both guard positions, left guard, right guard. Yep. He is older. He turns 24 in October.

6-4-314. at guard 24 is not is not terrible yeah 33 and a half inch of arms right so he's not he's not like an alligator or a dinosaur armed guy carna torus yeah okay um so he uh dain bruegler has him as the number 99th overall player a third fourth round grade on him so i would probably lean toward christian mahogany as i said they lost sua opetta right they they brought in matt hennessee who i think they view more as a backup center he can play multiple spots but his best production has come as a center or his best play has come as a center. So Mahogany, I tend to lean toward guard tackle versatility, but if you're, they don't really have a backup guard right now.

And so Jordan Jefferson, the defensive tackle from LSU going off the board here to the Jags, which will leave it with only four picks to go before the Eagles. Yeah, I mean, Mahogany, it's, they did bring him in. And church would. That's what are those pews made of. Aaron Wyden says, personally, I do not like Zach breaking the pick. It doesn't really matter, but like the guy only gets drafted once.

I'm not breaking it to the player. Yeah. Like the player found out long before I did. Come on. Yeah. I got to tell you, this is not like when the player gets a chance to announce where he's committed to,

you know, where he's committing and someone scoops him. Like, no, the, the, the, so I just want to tell you, uh,

when a team makes a pick, the league finds out, like the NFL, all 32 teams find out before the public finds out right so the player already knows so no I'm not I'm not breaking into the player at all I'm just informing the fans the the argument is do the fans watching want to see the name come up on the screen if they're watching this show so my point is yeah so I think they want to know as soon as possible yeah I mean if they want no spoilers they can watch so yeah I look the customer's always

right I just want to clarify though In that case, I'm not breaking it to the, I would love to break it to the player. Like, I would love if I could call up Cooper to Gene and be like, hey, the Eagles are picking you here. I don't know at that point. I'm excited. I'm excited to get a pick here.

Christian Mahogany. Christian Mahogany would be one of my son's favorite players because it says here in The Beast, great job, Dean Bruegler, didn't play a snap on the offensive line until his junior year of high school, and he used the maddened video game to try and emulate Trent Williams and others. Reed comes up to me this morning and says, Dad, I won the Super Bowl.

And I said, did you play the regular season? And he said, no. And I said, then I don't care if you want the Super Bowl. Wow. You don't care? No. He's coming to you. He's got an achievement.

You can't skip steps, right? Come on. Jeez. No. That's tough. That's harsh. He simulates all the way through and then he plays the Super Bowl. I mean, come on.

That's, I told him that. I was like, you know, you have to enjoy the process that gets to the Super Bowl. The Super Bowl is just a game. This is wild. No. What's wild about that? He wants to celebrate with you.

Yeah, I mean, but to me, brow beating him for, not brow beating him. He didn't. Maybe he wants to get to the off season. Maybe he likes that stuff too. He does like that stuff. He does like that stuff.

The games are time consuming. Yeah, he's, like, he's, how he was, would love him. Wow. He's a quarterback factory guy. He always tries to get, like, big name backup quarterback. I'm like,

why do you need the backup quarterback? And he doesn't pay enough attention to the offensive line. But his teams are really good because they're going bean dad. Very funny. What does that mean? Bean dad.

That's in what, you know, a recent, not that recent, but just internet meme. What was the game? What was? The guy's getting all,

he's like only feeding his kids beans or something like me. Like he's just like, someone did that. Tough love, dad. Yeah. Okay. How dare you?

How dare you not play every game of the regular season? I don't care, Reed. I didn't say I don't care. Or yeah, no, I said, I don't care. I said, it doesn't matter. Yeah, I think that's what I said. I don't say, I don't care. I think this is wild.

It doesn't matter because you didn't, because you didn't play the regular season. And then he wanted me to explain to Sloan what franchise mode is because Sloan was upset that Travis Kelsey lost. And Sloan loves Taylor Swift. And so I was like, Let's save the franchise mode talk for Monday. Okay, I want to know how.

Wow. Well, I'm not willing to mansplain a franchise mode to read. DeSloan? No, I wanted to talk about, you know, I didn't get to see them when they got home from school yesterday. Yeah. I didn't get to talk about last night. So I wanted to hear that. More than anything else.

Well, Reed, if you're watching, we here are proud of you for winning that super. For winning. No, don't be proud of it. He didn't do anything to win the Super Bowl. He simuling it. The game, he played that game. He won a player is injured all a game. What if a player was injured all year long, but finally fought their way back to play in the Super Bowl and won that game?

And you would say, you'd go up to them, walk up to him right face to face in the Super Bowl winning locker room and say, I don't care. You didn't do that. You didn't go through all the steps. That is totally different. That is totally different. Oh, it's the Bean Dad made his kid learn how to use the can opener to eat the beans. Oh, yeah. You should learn how to use the can opener and eat the beans.

But he wouldn't open it for him. It's like the whole thing is like they were starving and he just made them open it with their own figuring it out figuring it out. I respect the resourcefulness there, don't you? No. Am I wrong here? It's like borderline child abuse. Is borderline child abuse to make someone learn how to open a can? You can teach them.

You can teach them. Well, yeah, you can teach them. Yeah, you should teach them. But they should learn how to do it. Yeah. So if you keep opening, if you keep. okay sorry

Kyle Newbeck's with with you he says a sim to the end stinks thank you Kyle yeah Kyle's a gamer he understands you appreciate yeah 10 I don't mind simulating to get to the off season right like oh

no but you can't just sim to the Super Bowl was my point if you're gonna so or you can't get credit for winning the Super Bowl what if he simmed the Super Bowl and won the Super Bowl and like he just he built the roster yeah that's fine because if your only intention is to build a roster, then I'm okay with it.

Did he play any of the playoff games or just the Super Bowl? I think he, I think he just, I didn't realize he was in the Super Bowl already. Well, I think that's, maybe that's, that's it. He, he built the roster to get the team to the Super Bowl. And then when you get to the Super Bowl, it's okay to play a game. Like, you want to win that game. I would have done that as, as I was going through seasons. Wait, I want to say, someone says, we got to read, even if your dad is a miserable.

I'm not a miserable SOB at all. I got to tell you, I'm actually like, the most like I'm bouncing off walls, I'm effervescent. I mean, I'm energetic. I'm excited. I just want him to earn,

you know, that's the expression, like a penny earns better and dollar given, right? Like you, you, but I think if you're viewing it from the prism of he's the GM and not the coach,

he's, he's built the roster. That's fine. That's fine. He was kind of, he wanted credit for winning this, this Super Bowl. That's what he did.

He built the team that got there and then he played the, and then he played the big game. The Eagles are three picks away. Let's let's, let's, let's, on that I don't know I think this is I think we could do another couple hours on this Tyrese night going to the Seahawks which leaves it two picks away from the Eagles I'm

impressed that they've been able to stay patient here yeah now what if they trade back I think that way I think that would that would piss less off I'm fine with that because we got a long way to go I think that would piss less off the most though less one than then make a pick last night yeah so I'm I'm guessing Christian mahogany okay Who were you guessing? You're guessing Trot? Yeah, I kind of feel like, I feel like if Howie takes Trot,

he knows that people are going to be happy. Okay. Well, that is true. The player I would take here is Tanner Bordalini. I like Tanner Bordalini. I'm a Bordalini guy. Now, Cedric Van Pran is still there. Hunter Norzad, like you said.

I like Portolini's versatility. I like the athleticism. I mean, it's 64-303 pounds, right? 494.4. 40, 16, 9, 10 yards split. Yeah, I like Bordellini. On my shadow draft board here, you know, Jaden Hicks is the only guy who has a second round value who's still available,

but having taken two corners, I probably wouldn't do that. And so it's trot, it's Austin Booker, it's Christian Mahogany, and it's Malik Washington, plus the running backs, who are. sticking out a little bit. Jaylon. Yeah, Joan Wright, who was someone who I had liked.

Then I saw the Josh Norse stats for yards before contact. Now from a... Oh, Tanner Borderlaney goes... Two picks about that. Wait. I said I would have taken him.

We already talked about. He got picked. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that's okay. Okay. I'm sorry. From a round value standpoint, the positions that are typically a little bit more fruitful in the fourth round, edge, safety, and wide receiver.

Now they've already got their edge, hard pressed to believe they'd go safety. So wide receivers want to keep in mind potentially. I think for my shadow draft, I would go Austin Booker here. Okay. Another edge. Interesting. Oh, yeah, that's right. That's right. Okay.

But for the Eagles, I think my pick would be. I think probably Malik Washington. Okay. You like the slot type, huh? I like Malik Washington, yeah. I'm not as eager to replace Devante Parker as you are. Yeah, fair enough. Although Trot.

I actually think Trot is the right pick here. Yeah, I mean, the players that I, like my personal players that I like here, I like Trot, I like Jell and Wright, I like Braylin Allen. So those are the players that jump out to me, the wide receiver board has thinned a bit outside of the slot types like you mentioned the offensive line you know i keep looking at offensive line i know they want to come out of this draft with offensive line are on the clock eagles are on the clock okay here we go uh eagles are on the clock what's that that's a zack zack no no no come on i actually don't know if day three is going to be like that um Let me see here. So do you want to flash up the people they brought in for visits again?

If you don't mind, Julia. Christian Mahogany is on there. If they're going to go four for four on the pre-draft visits. Yeah, I'm saying Mahogany here. The Eagles are trading this pick. Ah, the Eagles are trading the pick. So there goes, Kailen Carson, Travis Glover, Brendan Rice, and Ea Smith, and Johnny Wilson.

All right. I wonder if it's for a future... They are trading it to Miami. for a 2025 third round pick. Wow. What a steal. Yep. Nicely done. Good business with the two picks coming up. All right.

So this is big news for the Eagles. We said that the Eagles want to get, we said the Eagles want to get a future pick here. I said at the top of the show, they traded DeAndre Swift for the fourth, or they acquired DeAndre Swift for their fourth rounder next year. They did even, I thought they would want to get a fourth rounder back. They get a third round pick next year.

This is big for the Eagles. This is good processing for the Eagles, right? They trade back in the third round yesterday, twice. They add extra fourth round picks and they get into a position where they are able to still have two fourth round picks and get an extra third rounder next year. I like this process. I like this trade. The Eagles, like we say,

always value future picks, maybe more so than other teams did. And then we said that last year, and then they end up trading their future picks. So this is essentially the Keeley-Ringo trade. Last year, they traded their 20-24 third to move to the top of the third-of-the-fourth rounder. The take Ringo.

This year, they trade a fourth, they get a third-rounder back next year. I mean, this is also the 20th pick of the round. Like, that's great value. And who knows who used to do. I have available program All right, everybody,

welcome to the stage, the set, the show. Les Bowen. Les, how you doing? I'm doing great, Boe.

Great to see you. Thanks for coming in on a Saturday. Yes, it's a nice, lustry Saturday out there. It's good to be in here with you guys. So the Eagles are still very much approaching another pick

because they're 1.23. So we're being led to believe. So they may. If they actually make a pick, we'll have to. So we'll have to. We'll see what they do, but what do you make of what you have seen from the Eagles so far or less. Well, obviously, the first two picks, nobody can take any quibble with, make any quibble.

Trading up to 40 to get Cooper dejean, I guess he pronounced. Dejean. At somewhere, there's a French ancestor, like his head. Coupe de Haute. Just because you move to Iowa doesn't mean it's Dejean. But Jean. Anyway, yeah, that's amazing. I mean, we don't know how it's going to work out, but you can't, you couldn't have done

any more to help your secondary, I don't think. After that, I know all you cool kids are all excited about the guy from Houston Christian, which apparently is Houston Baptist, which I have heard of. That's where Bailey Zappi or whatever his name is played there before he went to Western Kentucky. So, you know, I just, schools shouldn't be allowed to change their names. I agree with that. The world is confusing enough to, without colleges changing their names. They wanted to spread to all forms of Christianity.

Like Louisiana Lafayette changed it to just Louisiana? Right. Come on. I mean, that's a little bold. Like, you think you just take, you just all of a sudden take the whole state? Really? But anyway, you know, I know everybody loves, you know, this guy's potential. Those years that he was a safe.

at Cornell, where was all that potential then? I mean, was he lighting up the Ivy League? Well, he grew. Yeah, I mean, I'm envious to that. He had a growth spurt. He added height and weight and turned into an edge direction. You know, he might turn out to be a wonderful prospect. And, you know, I don't want to say anything that can be thrown up in my face in the future if he turns out to be the greatest third round pick in the history of football. I throw up in the face. But we've been through this so many times with the Eagles. I feel like Davion Taylor, Curtis Marsh. If I can ask you about Brian Smith, their edge rusher, a third round pick from McNeese State in 2008,

what do you recall about that? Was this a similar type of profile? What I recall is they had a defensive line coach. His first name was Pete. Pete Jenkins. He was from LSU. Thank you. Yes.

And I ran into Pete at the Combine. And I asked him what, this was back when you could actually run into guys and no PR people would tase you or anything. I asked him what he thought of the. edge rushers in this draft because I knew they were kind of looking for an edge rusher. He said, the hands on these fellas are as soft as pond water. And I didn't quite knew what that meant. But they ended up with Brian Smith, who was terrible. And I think Pete must have liked him.

Maybe he had strong hands. I don't know. But he didn't make any kind of impression at all. it's one thing when a draft pick can't get on the field at his position as a rookie, that's not, you know, that's not a big deal. When they draft a guy who's an athlete. Sure. Who can't play special teams for you.

That is always a very big red flag in my book. So, yeah, we just seen the whole athlete thing play out so many times, and I have a healthy skepticism. I think the skepticism is warranted. If I was. And I might be in. entirely wrong. And I generally lean toward your skepticism

and share it with you. I think the case for Jalick's Hunt here is like, at linebacker, I have no interest in the athlete who has not played at the position because it's a position that is all about instincts. And I'd rather have a four, six guy who knows what's going on, than a four, three, five guy

who has no idea what you see. He and Clayton. Yeah. Right. On the edge, you can make a case that it's a little bit different. It's a one-on-one position. Right. If you guy, if you believe that this guy can be taught the tools and he hasn't been, you know, it's not like we talk about the weight room stuff, but it's not like the Houston Christian defensive line coach was necessarily, uh, you know, telling him all the secrets of the trade. But they couldn't teach Marcus Smith the tool. Sure. I agree with that. They had Tray Thomas out there

trying to teach him pass rush that he had seen used against him. Uh, and then you get to the position valuation where like similarly linebacker is one thing. Like if, if you can turn Daveon Taylor into an okay linebacker. Yeah. It's also not changing your team that much, whereas if you can turn Jalick's Hunt into a contributing pass rusher, the fourth guy in the rotation who plays 20 snaps a game, that is much more valuable. That is valuable.

I project at third round, though, I just don't, philosophically, you could have stayed where you were. I know you wouldn't have all these wonderful picks to get the third rounder next year and all that, but Roman Wilson. Yeah. I have a pretty good idea that he can play. play football. I didn't, you know, the

dolphins taking Tennessee's jail and right. Yeah, that's what I was about to say. The player they were willing to trade next year's third for was Tennessee running back jail and right. Okay. So, yeah, so you would have taken Roman Wilson? I would have, yes. Or, you know, there were a couple other guys there.

Edisa Isaac. I liked him enough. I don't know. I mean, I'm not a scout, but. Yeah, so I think, and we talked about this earlier with Hunt relative to the other edge rushers. Like it's different when you talk about Roman Wilson, but I think they view their edge rushing group right now

as all right, they can go play tomorrow with the group that they have. Yes. What they're thinking with Hunt is what's your best swing at a top of the rotation starting caliber player? I don't think they wanted to come out of the third round or fourth round with a rotational pass rusher. I think they're willing to take a home run swing.

Okay. And look, after this year, They're right. After this year, the two edge rushers who are under contract are Bryce off and Nolan Smith. Josh sweats, a free agent. Brandon Graham's going to retire.

Zach Bond's end, he's on a one-year deal. So I think they're saying, all right, what does this pick look like in 2025 and 2026, not necessarily in 2024? Now, it's a different question when you're talking about wide receiver.

They could take a punter in the fourth round. Bears take a punter. Okay. And they just dirt the picks as it is, right? That's interesting. So that means the egos are going to be on the board in a sec. Yeah.

Yes. I saw, by the way, I'm not going to pick on like draft animals. I saw someone say the other day, like, the bears were acing this draft. Like, they're the number one pick. They took Caleb Williams. Yeah, I guess Roma Densee. But like, I don't say, oh, man, the bears are like the model here. But no, to get to the point there is that like Zach Zinter was a player or is a player who I think could be a starting right guard for you.

Right. He went to, he went one pick before. One pick before the second trade. Yeah, yeah. So he and Wilson both went right there. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

So I think they could have found a starting caliber player. But I think after trading up what they did to get the gene, I do think they wanted some more draft inventory here. I know getting a draft pick for next year was something that they wanted. They had a dearth of picks. I think they only had four or five picks next year. And there's, they're probably not going to get compensatory picks. Nope.

And there's a thought that next year's draft will be a better, or a deeper draft, right? Because this is the year that's most affected by NIL. Next year is when it kind of gets back to normal. But this is the year when there's guys who would have gone who stayed. And then next year it's like, it's just a normal cycle. So do you think the passion meeting at 10 a.m. this morning was everybody saying, nobody. Next year.

The passion meeting is, you tell me you your passion about. I'm telling you why we're not picking them. them, right? So, yeah. So the Eagles are on the clock a little bit ahead of the broadcast, if it is that the punter goes to the Chicago Bears. And there's another trade, according to Tom Pelliserra. You're kidding, as you would expect, less. Houston now on the clock at 123.

Dexon's trade, yeah. So it looks like that's a four-spot move down if it is 127 that is being used. Eagles trade, yep, number one. 127. No, and they get a 2025 fifth round pick. back. Jeez. Yep.

So they moved down and they add. Boom. And so here you go for one, so for 127 and a 2025 third. No, fifth. Oh, yeah, I'm sorry, fit, 2025, fifth. Well, there you go. Nicely done. Nicely done by Howie.

Now this is a nice, you know what? If you take Trotter here, like, you know, we traded down twice and got up. These expectations that we're worried about. Who cares? Is he, can he really? I don't want him the fans to be Well, that's Sacks' point. Really over the moon and expecting things.

But that's why, like, if you're taking him in the fourth round and you've traded down twice, maybe you're lowering expectations enough that it makes it okay. I think people, and you guys have probably covered this, people see the name and they know that he was a good player at Clemson. He made some splashy plays, but he doesn't have his father's frame at all. And it's a very different game than it was 20 years.

ago. I don't know that even Jeremiah Trotter might be an edge rusher in today's NFL. You know, I mean, I don't think he'd be covering any tight ends, today's tight ends. He was a downhill 260 pound plus listed, I think, conservatively at 260 by the Eagles, linebacker, and they don't have those anymore in the NFL. Yeah, no, that's a good point. And Schrad Jr. said as much at the combine, right? like a different game. I don't want to suggest that WIP callers are like the barometer to use, nor is it like entirely,

is a representative of the entire fan base. But he's a player who seemingly every time you turn on the radio, someone's calling a fan's calling in and saying, yeah, we need Jeremiah Trotter Jr., right? Like he's going to bring that, that passion back to the defense. And I bring this up because I was talking to someone

inside the Eagles building at one point who was saying, like, there'd be a lot of pressure. Like, fans would need to understand. This is not. And it's silly. I mean, it's not like the, you know, it's not like the monarchy. You know, you don't just inherit all these traits. It's, you know, Jeremiah Trotter grew up in rural Texas chopping wood and stuff.

You know, his son didn't, oddly enough. You know, he's a good, you know, I think he'd be a very good special teams player probably. Yeah, and that's the thing. If you can accept, like, all right, here's a backup linebacker who might take two or three years to kind of push for playing time. He's going to help you on special teams. If that's an acceptable outcome, then, yeah, that's a good pick. But if the expectation is that everyone goes to the pro shop or to Dick's sporting goods and gets their 54 Trotter jerseys. Like, get a free plug for Dicks, right?

Or fanatics.com or something like that. way. Thank you, Les. But I do think they need to draft a linebacker someday. Cade Stover is the pick here for the Texans. Tight end from Ohio State. I have a son who's an Ohio State grad who was not excited about Kate Stover. Really?

And he's usually excited about his buck guys. I think that's important signal. Yeah. Who do, yeah, the Ohio State son and the LSU son, who are they most excited about? Well, that's the same guy. Oh, that's right. Grad school at LSU. Okay, okay.

He paved the way for Joe Burrow. He was there before. And he actually, when he was in grad school and working in the athletic department, he actually bumped into Joe Burrow one day. And he had a perfect opportunity to tell him, you know. Same guy. And he just froze and said, hi. That's okay.

But now he's working at Duke. And he really liked that guy that went at the end of the third round. Duane Carr? Yeah. Great guy, apparently. Set up a charity, you know. Almost won the academic heisman. Yeah.

Cambo Award. Good guy. You don't care. I didn't win it. That's not it at all. I respect any Campbell Award finalists. But, yeah, I like that guy a lot, by the way. But, okay.

So it goes. The Eagles don't draft, you know, guys from big schools anymore. Yeah, Howie said the thing last night about, like, this is not a trend, you know. Yeah. We'll see. Yeah. It's interesting because they did go nuts with the SEC. stuff. It just got to be hilarious

after a while. Is there anybody in Georgia that they can't draft? And now it's totally different. And he said this, he said these were two exceptions, right? And I, I would, I would be able to. Look at how handsome he is. Bo has an infatuation with

Tomiko Ryan's. Great guy. He was one of my favorite Eagles to talk to. During a difficult period. Yeah. Look at. Always accountable. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Nice. Good. Yeah. I like it, D'Amico, from Bessemer, Alabama, hometown of Bo Jackson.

Bo Jackson. That's what Bessamer's famous for. Yep. Eagles are four picks away. 127 is coming up. For now. For now. Yeah, I also have 127.

Yeah, I'm still going with Christian Mahogany. Christian Mahogany. What would the daily news headline be for Christian Lajon? Or the door of the back page if they took Christian Mahogany. Right church, right pew. Right, church, right few. I like that. They didn't go with Holy Toledo after Quinnian Martin Mitchell.

No, no, that, yeah. But it was in the all-P-H-L-Y column. Make sure you're reading all less is columns in all-P-H-L-Y.com. I'm going to write something tomorrow when they wrap up. Yeah, after we're done with all this. I'm sure everyone will be just waiting with. And by the way, you know, the people saying they've been enjoying the shows over the past couple of days. Zach has just been on fire.

He's killing it. If you want to thank Zach and actually, you know, put your money where your mouth is, become a diehard. Because you're getting less. You're getting Zach. You're getting Newbeck. You're getting Bonner. You're getting Charlie. You're getting all this good stuff.

Oh, every now and then. You're getting Jim Salisbury. You're getting Jim Salisbury. Yep. I mean, no-brainer. Plus you get, you also get like just as a throw-in, the discounts on the merch, the discounts on the events and stuff like that. We do have a watch-along party tomorrow for game four. For the Sixers game at Wicked Wolf, you can join along.

But yeah, become a diehard. Join the crew. Absolutely. I've had three thoughts columns up after each of the picks this weekend, but those are only accessible to the diehard subscribers. So make sure you check that out. Bucky Irving, the Oregon running back going to the Tampa Bay Bucks. I like a Bucky Irving as a piece in the backfield.

A little bit of Wigle. Bucky the Buck. That's good. They haven't taken that, the corner named Tampa, though. They have not. That seemed like a pretty obvious move to me. A little slow. And he's been Daniel Jeremiah's best player available for like the last two days.

So somebody, there must be a medical thing or something that's going on there. Because Jeremiah is not that far off. No, that's, that's true. You know, and he's not a speed guy, but certainly tall and long. In the, in the NBA draft, there's this bit. I don't even know if it's a bit. There's actually another fifth round pick.

That's there. John Hollinger does this thing where so he does the player. He would have draft for the athletic. And all so there was a year when he had a guy ranked like nine and the guy went in the 20s and every one of the picks from like nine to 22. He just said it should have been this guy. His shadow draft was for every team. That's right.

Yeah. And it actually. worked out well it's uh he he was on the right side of history on that one well you know that reminds me of uh i'm not worried about the fact that quinyon mitchell was supposed to go so much higher than because that's just we all understand this was not one guy slipping sure this was six quarterbacks exactly in the first 12 pushing everything down yep and teams just not needing corners because none were drafted i have gone leery as i am of the athlete without a position. I have grown leery of the guy who just slips. Yeah. And you're like,

oh my God, we never thought he would be here. Because I was in Nashville for Andre Dillard. And, you know, and the whole thing about Stout, you know, giving one phone call with Stout. The day before, right. The only work that they had done on this guy. And yeah, you can, you can really get bit in the butt by grabbing the guy that, oh, how could he have possibly slid down all these spots? I totally agree. And I do, I do think there's a distinction between the Dillard situation, when they didn't do the work on him. Right. Where like Quinny Mitchell, they did, they brought in for a visit.

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely they did. Yeah, I'm just saying it is very different. Yeah. My guy, Malik Mustafa, Go Deeks, going off the board to the San Francisco 49ers. Oh, hard physical guy on the Niners. Got to love that. Yes.

Yes. And so the Eagles then, quickly coming up, Tampa Bay, Detroit, and Philadelphia. MJN with the super sat, the super chat, says, first running back, now defense. How he's zinging while the NFL Zagging, to the extreme. Yes, so what is interesting, I was going to bring this up later in the show,

and we can wait to talk about it after the pick, but just... University of British Columbia offensive tackle, Giovanni Manu. Okay, so this one's actually the Jordan Milata prospect here. Yes, he goes to the Detroit Lions. He's like 6-8-3-350. Yeah, so there's this school of thought

that after Jordan Milaada, everyone's trying to find the next Jordan Milata, right? And so this would be a player who qualifies in that department. something to just just think about is if you remember when they took dillard it was considered like a historic or a really good defense of line defensive tackle class the eagles if this is a great wide receiver offensive tackle class and eagles don't come away with a wide receiver offensive tackle it makes you wonder like you know yeah were you so excited about the top corner that you missed out on like a great group of players at a different position the eagles quickly that's my roman wilson argument yeah So if that's renewed to the lions, that means the Eagles will be on the board or on the clock at the moment. Remember the year that they had, there was a great running back class and they ended up with Don El Palmford. Exactly.

Because they didn't anticipate people getting those running backs quite as soon as they did. Yes, yeah, and that's the classic pump. You get the guy at the back end. Would you rather have the eighth tackle in a historic tackle draft or the number one corner who happens to fall because of that? It's an interesting theoretical, although it turned out to be not theoretical. That's what the Eagles chose. But with the Eagles and corners, you just have to like the idea of them getting a really talented young corner. They've been living for 15 years off of free agency and trade.

The Eagles are on the clock. You guys are on the clock. And I think it's an interesting flip of Howie's explanation for the Darius Slate trade a couple years ago was, you know, when you miss on the draft picks, You got to sort of make up for it. The Eagles are taking Will Shipley with this pick. Okay. Oh, my word. Another player from my mock draft.

Will Shipley is the running back with receiving capability. Yeah, so I like this pick a lot. 510, 206, ran a 4-4-5. Ran for over 1,000 yards two years ago, only 827 last year. Um, this is an interesting one from a, how did he compare to his teammates perspective, like yards per carry versus his teammates. No difference at all. 5.2 for him, 5.2 for his teammates.

So, but that's a big figure though. But it's, that is a, that is a red flag to me. Yeah. Everybody else in this draft class is, is above that significantly. Um, so as a runner, I'm a little bit underwhelmed by Will Shipley. But as a receiver, you know, he had 38 catches two years ago, 31 catches last year. I would imagine this is they view as their Kenny Gainwell replacement with Gainwell on the final year. Yeah, 21 years old.

Yeah. Hold on. I pulled this up. I'm going to pull up what I wrote in the, I had him going to the Eagles in the fifth round where I said. I talked about the receiving ability, former five-star recruit, really good athlete. I think similar to Cooper the Gene, not race-related. You said it not me. They're tempting fate.

They're tempting fate. No, no, no. A white corner and a white running back. Let me finish this. Similar to Cooper the Gene, I think not testing at the Combine hurt him during this. He's someone who's a good athlete here who, here you go, who I think hurt himself by not, yeah, by not having the standardized testing. Well, that whole race thing is, it's there. I mean, it's silly for people to act like you can't possibly mention that.

Thank you. It's there. I mean, people know that. There hasn't been a good starting corner in the NFL who was a white guy since Jason Seahorn. Yes. And that was a long, long time ago. Now, I think the reason is, and you can disabuse me of this if you'd like, I think people get typecast, just like in basketball, the Euro white guys play a different game than most U.S. big guys, white guys.

I think a lot of guys play wide receiver. A lot of white guys play wide receiver. Like Ladd McConkey. Tell me what Ladd McConkey couldn't do as a corner. That's a fair point. With his speed and his size. But are they going to make Ladd McConkey a corner? No, you know, because he's a white guy.

You know, and I just think that happens. I really do. Did you break that sack? Yeah. Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, stop, let's talk about Wolf Shipley. I don't know, I'm not keeping track.

And you had him in your mock draft. Yeah. And your final mock draft? You've my final mock draft. Yeah. So I got two for two or I got two guys right now. Two guys. Now you both had his fifth round picks.

Yeah, it's true. But true. I mean, you're nailing it. What a, this is unbelievable. Does he get to take. the banner home after the draft? I think we're going to hang that bad way in the Rafters forever. I like Shipley.

I'm saying that. I like Shipley. I liked him. Yeah, but you love Breland Allen, and he's still on the board. True, true, true. Different type of player. Different type of player.

Shipley from a past catching perspective, I like that. The athleticism, young, you know, that's one of the things I liked about Breitland Allen. I think five-star running backs is a good pedigree, as opposed to some other positions. And he was really productive.

Now, Bo had the stats of him compared to other players. He did deal with some injury at Clemson. I believe he was a standout lacrosse player at one point as well. Shocker. I think his... You rarely see white guys being well. Yeah. Ever since Jim Brown, yes.

Les, it's great you're here because Bo, there's a lot of these jokes that Beau says. that make me uncomfortable. And I think this is, this is a perfect audience, right? I don't think he's a real, they say he's a real gym rat. Yeah, I mean, it's, um, yeah.

Yeah, so actually, he's a real overachiever. Uh, his, his, his brother played lacrosse at Penn. His older brother James Jr. played football and lacrosse at Penn. Or he played lacrosse at Penn, played football in high school. But, but, but are, uh, or less would appreciate the fact that he's a Charlotte guy or a Carolina guy. He's from Weddington, North Carolina. Weddington is a suburb, I'm sure.

South. 20 miles south of downtown Charlotte. Yeah. So he probably went to South Mecklenburg High. Bobby Jones out. He went to Weddington High. There's a Weddington High. There is a wedding.

I don't keep up. I've been gone a while. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, Weddington is near Matthews in case you were wondering. Okay. He was the number two recruit in the state of North Carolina after Drake May, who's also a Charlotte guy, went to Myers Park.

And whose father, Mark May was a hell of a quarterback. Is that? Okay. Just as I was leaving Charlotte. like early 80s, but he messed, he had an arm or shoulder injury. I guess he went to Chapel Hill and didn't really become, he was like one of the big national quarterback guys. And of course, all of his kids that played basketball and football.

And, you know, it's been a heck of a family, the Mays. Yeah, we've talked about how Luke May hit that, hit the three to beat Kentucky. Yeah. Zach, and Duck, Duck, Duke, you are shutting me out still. Huh. Two corners, an edge and a running back. I have nothing.

This could be the second year in a row. I got shut out and duck, duck juice. At some point, they're going to another position here. You think they'll go, no, I just want to say. So Shipley did not participate at the combine, like I said, at those pro-day Clemsonza around a 445, 38 and a half inch vertical on a 511, 206 pound frame. That's a good frame.

Yeah. I like that. Yeah. So, you know, there is, there is. There was a, the, the past catching is what really jumps out with him. He was also, he was first team all ECC as a kick returner as well. I spoke about Cooper the Gene with the new kickoff rules, but here's someone else who could theoretically be in that mix.

Right. Wow. So what do you think this means, by the way, for Kenny Gainwell? Do you think Kenny Gainwell's number two back? Or do you think Nal Shippley takes over as the number two back? I think Gainwell is still the number two. Okay. Yeah.

I think they'll try to find a role for Shipley, but yeah, it's still a fourth round. Yeah, fourth round guy has to go out and do it. You know, I mean, if he looks better than Gainwell, you know, but until he does that, and they've really stuck with Gainwell for quite a while. I mean, they must like him because they keep running him out there, you know. Let's watch a little Will Shipley here in the areas.

Yeah, he looks like a wide receiver. Positionless football. That's what the Eagles are going for. Will they be throwing to the backs more now? I mean, there was a lot of talk about that with Barclay coming in. Yeah, I mean, I don't think anyone's getting the ball except those four guys. Yeah. I think AJ Devante, Dallas, and Sequin are the guys getting the ball.

But Sequin's not going to be out there every now, though. That's fair. Look at that. Siriani's excited. I miss Tom Donahoe. Good to see Matt Leo in the back there. All right. well wild stuff will shipley like a like a character like a character and a bad uh like moby dick ripoff

novel will shipley um and so the eagles by the way are are still coming up here right yes they are right yeah at 132 san francisco is on the clock now um by the way one pick after will shipley was ray davis who started his college career at Temple. Oh, I forgot that. Yeah. Went to high school with less. Yeah, yeah. Inspiring story.

So that was Bo Nix. Yeah, true. But yeah, so the Eagles, there's still a chance to add to the offensive line, I think. And Trott Jr., still hanging around there. What if they made this is a Clemson round? They could hit. We'd hit the turkeys to the draft kingdom, two guys from the same school. Will Shipley.

Wow. So I'll just update the pre-draft games, Zach, if you don't mind. The Allie No Draft with You Mean Sheal when we drafted the specific players that Eagles would draft. You have Cooper DeGine and Jalick's Hunt. You also have Aenea Smith still on the board. Sheal has Joni Wilson, Miles Hardin, and Jordan McGee still available. I have Kalen Carson, DeChamerian Richardson, Austin Booker, Kalin DeLoch, and Dylan McMahon still available.

but she'll and I both shut out so looking good for you there. Turkeys to the draft kingdom, the three of us. The Eagles first pick of the draft will be at 22. I had a little bit of an edge there, 25 turkeys to 15 for less and 10 for Zach. Thanks to DeNiz for compiling all of these. The Eagles second pick of the draft will be before 50. Again, I had a little bit of an edge here, 33 to 25 for less, 10 for Zach. How many total picks will the Eagles make in the draft?

Obviously, this one still up in the air. I would say it's leaning towards fewer than eight, in which case, Les would take the cake with 60. Will the Eagles make a trade involving a veteran coming or going before the close of the draft? I may be losing some turkeys here because I went 81 on yes. You guys went 16 and 55. Will the Eagles draft a wide receiver in the first three rounds? The answer is no.

Les coming out ahead here with 50. I had 41. Zach had 25. The Eagles first pick will be from the following. position. Les got the plurality of the turkeys here at 50. Zach for 45, 36 for me. The Eagle's second round pick will be from the following position. Cornerback, unfortunately, Les, you didn't anticipate the back-to-back corners. No, I did not. So you got no turkeys there. I had 35. Zach had 30. The highest 2025 draft pick acquired by the Eagles will be.

And it's a round one through three. So that's a nice one for you two. You each had 10. I only had one on a third round pick coming. On which side of the ball will the Eagles make more? picks. If it does indeed turn out to be defense, that'll be less coming away with 50 to 46 for me and 35 for Zach. Which of these positions will be drafted first by the Eagles? Turns out to be running back. Zach had tight end. So he only gets 40. I've got 50. Less has 49. Will the Eagles draft a pair of college teammates? That one that were all sort of clumped together. Hasn't happened yet. And then how many players will the Eagles draft from Alabama, Georgia, Michigan, and Washington combined? We all took the over of one and a half.

but it's leaning towards the under at this point, which would be good news for Zach, who was the closest split on those. So I may get to be four-time champs on turkeys to the draft kingdom, back to back to back to back, but there's no doubt that this is still the week of Zach. I want to answer a question here from Philly 52. Does Zach still think this draft is not a vote of confidence in Tyler Steen?

Yes, I still think that. I think this draft helps Tyler Steen's case for being the starter. I don't think this is an endorsement of Tyler Steen as the guard because I think this was a matter of circumstance the way the board fell. Oh, okay. And you were putting a lot of credence in Nick forgetting to mention him. No, no, no, not as much that.

Just the way. That was pretty funny. Yeah, yeah. But as Bo pointed out last year, like they played Sue Opeta over him when they didn't necessarily have to. Right. You know, there was, the Eagles were trying to talk up, Steen.

but the fact that they went back to Lopeta again when there was a Jergens injury said something there and so I think it's more that and it's hard you know we had Brandon Thornearn and he said it's hard to go from left tackle to right guard right that's that's a transition and really

the only evidence the Eagles had of it was the Senior Bowl Senior Bowl is one week of practices right and so it could be a situation now I also say Isaac Sayamale when he started his career here there was a school of thought kind of behind the scenes that maybe he's best as kind of like a jack of all trades player um but he eventually developed he developed into a reliable guard but he struggled he wasn't on the field he lost his job exactly he lost his job yeah wild uh so the eagles quickly coming up here yeah but you know a year ago when they took tyler steen the third round everybody was like oh wow yeah they got there look at this guy well they took him ahead of their red star player. They took him one pick ahead of Sidney Brown.

Yes. So, I mean, I would say, it's fair to say that he's certainly the favorite to start at right guard, but I don't know. So, yeah. Maybe that's where the veteran trade comes from. It could be. That's a good point. Bo mentioned, or I'm sorry, less mentioned earlier, the Donnell Pumfrey year.

And it's not just the players drafted before Pumphrey, but one thing we talked about was the players drafted after Pumphley Day, after Pumfrey, one of them being Marlon Mac, right? There were a few guys there. So the Will Shipley, I bring that up because there's Vince's guy, Isaac Carrero. Yeah, there's a run on running backs here. Will Shipley, then Ray Davis, then Isaac Arendo. Yeah, but there's still Breland Allen. There's still Andragestim.

There's still Tyrone Tracy who brings a lot of the exact same things as Will Shipley. He's a little bit older. So that's a bit of a flag. But Will Shipley, relative to the other running backs available, does not strike me as like value you can't pass up. Well, in Shipley's case, relative to Allen, who I really like, and estimate who you really like brings more juice, right? Brings more speed athleticism to the position.

Braylon Allen, you're getting, well, certainly in Estimate, you're getting like a big physical running back. Braylon Allen's built that way. He didn't run. We don't have time speed for him. That's not that he doesn't play like Derek Henry, even though he might be built like Derek Henry.

But Will Shipley, when you watch him play, you see the elusiveness. I think that's something that stands out here. The audience doesn't really seem to like Will Shipley, though. Really? Kansas City's on the clock, so the Eagles are the next pick. And there's Bo, I'm sorry, there's Lessa's guy. T.J. Tampa.

It's going to be in Baltimore. And when Baltimore takes you, I tend to like your... As a secondary guy, for sure. Updating my board here. I mean, I don't know what to... Are there any... Eagles are trading. Of course.

Eagles have traded their next pick to the Detroit Lions. who are not on the screen. What do they get? That I'm working on. Some Wonderbread with a can of mayonnaise? That I'm working on here. I don't know. Okay.

So they entered the day with three fourth round picks. They're leaving with one. Yeah. I mean, for their case, you would want this to be a, here's the trade, by the way. The Eagles are trading 132 and two. 10 for 164, 201, and a 2025 fourth round pick. So the Eagles have now added a third, fourth, and fifth next year.

I'm so sorry, Julia. Yeah. Yeah. The Eagles are trading number 132 and number two. I mean, it is really funny to imagine that passion meeting. Nobody must have made a good argument for anybody. Actually, Jimmy made that point on Twitter. Yeah, that's a good one.

Like. everybody's up there no there's no table being pounded like I guess I kind of like this guy so the Eagles have now added then meanwhile there's one scout who's just fibrally we need the white running back

yeah the only one with any kind of respectfully is there ever a point where Will Shepley won't be referred to you by or referred to by you as the white running back like is there is there a world in which

you view Will Shepley I would be concerned if he was doing something to make that, not the case. Like the content of his character, you know, could that be the overall judge, like, summation of Will Shipley? Sure. Yeah. I mean, I just think, like, you know how many times Will Shipley and Cooper DeGene have probably been described as the white running back and the white cornerback over the years? Okay, so they're used to it. Sure, true, true.

Okay. All right. There's one scout in the corner holding a tiki tour. and he's the only one to get to listen to oh god so 152 now is what we're waiting for right yes the eagles are traded number 132 and number 210 for number 164 number 201 number 201 and then a 2025 fourth round pick so when is their next pick 152 right their next pick in the fourth round they're going all the way down one to fifty I'm sorry

164 yeah then 171 and 172 right geez Tyler Tyler Zooley in the house Tyler how do you feel about having three fourth round picks and exiting with none no one yeah although argue argue arguably none trade back enough time you'll have all the drag thanks yeah what what is the the one they got back sack I'm sorry

164 164 okay they so they got 152 164 171 171 172 and 201 102 and 201 so they have four picks now in the fifth round one pick in the sixth round uh i do wonder if there's a veteran that they can trade for yeah at tight end although they signed cj azuma yeah on the interior offensive line i think that's got to be offensive line or or a linebacker or a linebacker perhaps yep but certainly something to think about there. Now, tell us, Zach, there is the, you already said it, but the characterization that next year's draft will be deeper. Sure. Yes. I have heard this.

And so when I said this before, someone says to me, well, every year just, just, just let's know. So here, this is the way, so I'll explain it two ways. First being, this is the first year that the underclassmen are really affected by NIL. Like I mentioned earlier, a player who would be drafted on day three, Their signing bonus might not be more than what they're getting to be a player in college football. It's a, there's a dearth of underclassman prospects relative to previous years, okay? And so the thought is that now it's going to correct itself going forward, right?

So you have next year's class as guys who came back this year and the regular amount of underclassmen prospects, right? So there was a year in the NBA when the age limit had just been, had just been, had just, been put in place. And so you had a class where high school guys went and then you had a class where, you know, so then high school guys weren't able to go. So then everyone went to college. So there was that one year when it was kind of like, it was, there were just fewer good players. And then you had the year when now you have the freshman who came out and guys who had to go to college that year. So, so it was a loaded class. So I think next year's class is expected to be better just in terms of the overall volume of talent

because you'll have the normal amount of underclassmen and you'll have the guys who came back this year. Okay. Is that a good way of framing it? Makes sense to me. Yeah, I think you explained it well. I think some of that stuff is a little bit overstated sometimes. Sure.

It's like saying this is a good draft at this or that, but there's at least a reason behind it. Sure. That's true. Okay. But it is, by the way. So the players that they have missed out on, Jared Wiley goes to the Chiefs.

It's not like they're like missing out on difference makers at this point. And you understand the urge to get better value by moving forward. But it's also like now Braylon Allen goes to the Jets here, Zach, your boy. There's also just a little bit of a fizzle here. Yeah, no, I agree. It's anti-climatic, it's anti-climatic, offensive line heavy. The one thing I want to like, I get it. you don't know what next year's draft's going to be like.

Similar how this year was a big year for offensive tackles, and you knew that last year. Next year is expected to be a big year for edge rushers. And I'll give just this example. Ohio State, we talked about Ohio State. They basically have like a pro team right now. They had all this NIL money after Michigan won the National Championship. They kept guys who were supposed to go out.

They're two edge rushers. J.T. Real Muto. Yep. No, it's, it's, it's, let me pull the name up exactly. Oh, Sullivan. No, it's a Samoan name, but I, um, a JT, Tuamaleo and then Jack Sawyer. Okay, they're two starting edge rushers.

JT would have been a first round pick like this year. It was considered like a first round caliber player this year. He goes back. Jack Sawyer is going to be in that mix too. He goes back. There's a handful of other players who went back. Um, and so next year's class could be like this year's, tackle class where you see six or seven edge rushers.

And this is, this was a bad edge rusher class in the first round. There were four that went, right? The first one that went was Latu at 15. Next year you might see three in the top 10. So it's a different. So I think next year the strength of that class is going to be edge rushers. Cool. That might not be pertinent information, but for the show, but we are on for five hours.

I think that's totally a reason. I like, apologize. We got, yeah, we got a long way to go. friend we're not even through round four um less from the small school houston christian perspective what did you make of quinine mitchell being a Toledo guy that does bother me a little bit uh i understand his story you know that he had a hard time even getting to Toledo and then he had plenty of chances to leave right and would you do them differently if even nick sabin was saying yeah gee we really wanted him to go to Alabama this year um it bothers

be just about level of competition. Senior Bowl, I know he did great senior bowl week, but I've gotten, when I first started covering the Eagles, I was really into that. They would say, oh, so-and-so had a great senior bowl week, and I would say, oh, okay, that makes sense. You know, he plays against the best competition for you. But you're not really playing games at the senior bowl. You're doing drills. And, you know, Danny Watkins had a great senior bowl week. A lot of guys have a great senior bowl week who don't turn out to be very good players. And so, you know. Perry on Winchrey my guy. If you look at all of his measurables, they're just so good.

Yes. And he seems to have the want to and all that. You know, it just doesn't seem, the fact that he went to Toledo doesn't seem like a big deal. But we'll see. And Terry on Arnold would have been probably a little safer from that perspective, maybe. I don't know. Yeah, I think it's a little more down the middle. Now, he did run a four or five, so there's a little bit more Arnold that is.

So, you know, would you go slow? or young, pedigreed and slow or fast and a little bit older. I like fast. You know, I do like fast for a corner. That's a good thing to be. Yeah, we'll see how it plays out. And it is interesting just to, you know, as we talked about yesterday, that the Eagles had to make the choice.

It wasn't just, you know, we'll take the best corner available. They had to declare who they think is going to be better between these two guys. Right. And maybe even three if you want to count Dijin. And it'll be something that is obviously, you know, following Quinnian Mitchell for the rest of his car. is how does he compare to Terry and Arnold? Yes.

And they'll be in the same conference, you know, Detroit. True. And Detroit will be a contender, I think. There's your guy, Braylon Allen. Yeah. Yep. And Joe Douglas, he knows talent. And I like Braylon Allen.

I really do. I thought... Is there anyone you would say doesn't know talent? Yeah, Mickey Blumen. Yeah. All right. Love that. Yeah. The Saints roster is so odd to me right now.

Yeah, it is. That's pretty good. So here's the thing with Raylon Allen. You see this, this footage here. I imagine this is from last year. And the reason I bring that up is because Braylon Allen's first two years, he played a different type of offense. They bring in Luke Fickle.

They're more of a shotgun. It didn't seem to fit Braywin Allen's running style well. So perhaps Brown Allen wasn't a great fit for the Eagles in that regard. I think Brayleon Allen, though, he has more explosiveness than someone his size you would typically think I was real impressed with him for the first two years

Beau made the joke that I remember I remember where it was when I first watched Bray one out on play and that was at a burrito restaurant in Denver before the Eagles Broncos game in 2021 he came on the screen and I was who is that? Like what is that running the ball? That is just like I mean

And they asked you to leave? No no I got to tell you in Denver, I think like there's people were like kind of chilled out. I think my energy itself was a little, what's what's going on here, you know? Yeah. Yeah. To them. To them.

Yes. Yeah. Who's this peppy guy? I'm trying to be in my high right over here. Yeah. Fair enough. Okay. Yep.

Well, that's all right. So my other son lives in Denver and it's snowing there today, by the way. Is it? He's a bit chock. He's not happy with that. Sorry to hear that. Yeah. late April

yeah that is tough what's he doing Denver he is an IT manager you know it's he's he's doing pretty well he's a good guy I'm happy to hear

he has an art degree but he's an IT manager okay yeah that's a nice that's a nice little balance there's an art show going on right now at the art museum that Malcolm Jenkins is a part of

actually oh really yeah Malcolm Jenkins I think is speaking today or tomorrow at the art museum did not know that yeah credit to Malcolm Yes, it was illegal Pete Shay. The Niners taking Jacob Cowing, another one of my guys.

Arizona. So as I'm looking, I mean, it's getting slim pickings. I'm trying to look at depth charts here to see if there's a guard or tackle. Interesting. Well, I would say look at who drafted a guard or tackle early. That's what you're doing. Exactly. Yeah, that's what I'm doing.

Who's been displaced. Yep. Jacob Cowan going off the board to the Niners. Like a Jacob Cowing, a little bit on the older side. not too old and speed that plays I believe a little bit undersized too but I think a good playable slot option so there's that guy from Texas Christian Jones the tackle yes Christian Jones still available if you're looking at tackles Nathan Thomas Christian Mahogany's still there Christian mahogany is still there Travis Glover who they brought in if you think they're just going to go chock and chalk and chalk

and chalk with guys they brought in for pre-jraft visits my guy anem danquah the enormous guy from Howard, Bo Limmer, if you're going inside. My guy, Dylan McMahon, Hunter Norzad, your guy, Cedric Van Pran Granger, Sataoa Laumea. Great job with the pronunciations.

Bo is, Bo kills me with pronunciations. Christian Mahogany sounds like something you make a baptismal thought out of. Yes. What are the pews made out of? Well, these are Christian Mahogany. Christian Mahogany is someone who I think,

Eagles fans can get behind. He's got that fiery New Jersey. I hope so. He's an offensive lineman. You got to lead the way for somebody. I'm saying he's he's got that like New Jersey personality from what I understand.

Okay. Right. Does that mean like a cuts you off in traffic, flips you the bird or? I mean, I don't think he's your, you know, wallflower type.

I think he's, what a big pimping? I think he's got a little personality to him, Christian Mahogany. Okay. Yeah. Tommy Eichenberg? Does your son like a Tommy Eichenberg

with the Ohio State background? Yeah, I think he does. I haven't discussed it with him as a draft prospect, but I think he kind of liked Eichenberg as a buck guy. Jordan McGee from Temple. I like a Darius Muazau. J.D. Bertrand, a little bit older, short arms, but a lot of experience.

I got to get Marist Leiafow crossed out here he was picked earlier do you think the eagles trade for a veteran today i'm starting to think it's less likely but yeah in the fifth round they did that the last time they did that this late was marquis goodwin do you remember that in 2020 yes and i never played and they got the pick back yep yeah that was covid stuff that was yeah he set out he set out the

covid here but they they added four receivers in that draft jellan rager was walkins john hightower and marquis goodwin maybe that's what they're going to do at corner they're just going to add two more corners you keep out in corners yeah uh let me see NFL depth charts I had that the point that I was this is the point I was making earlier when you had the the breaking news on the the pick being traded the the framing of you got to trade pay the premium for Darius lay because as a as a penance for having missed on sure Sydney Jones and rassoule douglas you could frame it that way that the penance for signing the James Bradbury contract

that did not work out well is having to overvalue corners in this draft and doubling down on Cooper DeGine after taking Quignan Mitchell because if James Bradbury had a really good year last year, I don't think they're doubling down on court even though those guys are

older. That's fair. You're looking to replace them both eventually, but I think those two are certainly connected. Well, with DeJane, positional versatility is nice, but I think when there's positional uncertainty. A high draft pick is a little, you know, if he can't play corner,

then would you have drafted him as a safety at 40th overall? Right. I think that's reasonable. And this is, Zach and I disagree about this. This is like the Isaiah Simmons discussion. Like you're taking a guy in the top 10, but you don't know, you don't have a position for him. Right. I always think that from a scouting versus coaching standpoint, the position uncertain.

is something that oftentimes becomes a negative because you're going week to week on the game plan. It's not like you have you have time to design a new role for him every week. Right. Right. You got to have a scheme. He has to function within the scheme and it has to be predictable. Yes. That's a good point.

Yeah. I mean, look, you do draft to compensate for your previous mistakes. That is a fair point to make. as I look at the depth charts here so I'm going to float this out here this isn't a guard but if you're looking for a backup tackle option okay okay Fred Johnson is not good enough for you

I know Tyler Steen if he's you know Tyler Steen can be this theoretically but if Tyler Steen's your right guard yeah yeah if you're looking for another if you're looking for another tackle so the Ravens drafted Roger Rosengarten in the second round okay Daniel fought a leilae

your boy yeah Jordan Milata another Australia 6 foot 9 Australian yeah right He was their fourth round pick in 2022. He was thought to be like kind of in position to maybe take over a starting job here. They take Rosengarten in the second round. So something to be mindful of there.

I mean, you've been all over it all weekend. Who am I doubt you? Let's get the Falte-Li-Li call. I don't know that. The, so the Titans, their backup right tax. So they took J.C. Leatham, who's going to play left tackle for them. They have dealing redundant. Duns and the right tackle.

Their backup right tackle is Nicholas Petit for a free. Nicola Petit player. Yeah, yes. He's not from Iowa. He's not from Iowa. So I don't know what the situation is there. The chiefs took Kingsley, Sue Mattaia. Yes.

He could have, he could sit on the bench, but he's behind right now, Wanya Morris and Lucas Nayan. What about Prince Tango? Let's get him back. Yeah, there you go. go there you go. Oh, is he still there? I believe so.

Really? Okay. You're not going to trade with the cowboys or the commanders, but the, let's see here. Outside of that, the Bears drafted Kieran on Madaghi in the third round. So the Saints, you could trade for Trevor Penning. Yeah, I mean, that would honestly be like a Howie thing. He might be, yeah, exactly. And how I officially wins that deal.

Yeah, I know that's really insult to injury. Yes. Yeah. So those were some from the players who were drafted. Now let me tell you. We got the Eagles on the crawl now. Okay. You know, we can see it.

There's still a corner from Wake Forest. I see. Cahler Carson. I like a Cailon Carson. I think he visited. I believe he did. Yes. So the.

Nehemiah Pritchett and Tar Hebe Still, still, the last two players off the board. a cornerback. Is he, is he still Tar Hebe? Oh yeah, he's Tar Heap still. See what you mean there. See what you did there.

Very good, I mean, is that good? So the Packers, the Packers have Jordan Morgan now as they're starting right guard. Okay. They're back. He takes over for John Running Jr. Their backup right guard,

Sean Ryan was a third round pick in 2022 out of UCLA. So there's a player there. The, The Niners took Dominic Pune in the third round. I imagine he will sit behind Aaron Banks, or he could take over for John Feliciano, but Aaron Banks, second round pick there. The Seahawks, Christian Haynes, third round pick.

Their backup right guard is Anthony Bradford, who was a fourth round pick last year. So there's not really a huge option, I would say, at this point. The Eagles is probably going to take Brendan Rice. Will Shepley's meeting with the media right now. I can stay on the show. It's up to you. Do you want to leave to talk to Will Shipley?

I mean, yeah. Go ahead. I got Les here. All right. I'll be all right. I'm going to jump out for five minutes. Ask him some good lacrosse questions for us. I wonder what the Charlotte lacrosse scenes like, right?

Ask him if he puts raisins in his chicken salad. Okay. So here we are, yes. Here we are, Les. And we're discussing deep draft picks, which is certainly my area of expertise. Well, you know what? Instead of that, let's... No, no, I want to talk about your takeaways from having watched Howie's press conferences

the last couple nights. Anything jump out to as interesting? Ah, let's see. I liked the first night very much. Last night, I was kind of surprised that there wasn't more talk about the third round guy. A lot of it was about Dijin, and I kind of, you know, knew what he was going to say there. I didn't doubt for a minute. When they traded up to 40 and got to Jean, I'm thinking, well, this is a guy that they probably would have taken at 22 if the draft had broken another way,

you know, without the six quarterbacks. So I wasn't surprised by anything he said there, but I wanted to know more about the, you know, hunt. It just seemed, maybe the question could have been a little more in depth about that. For my time, pace, since I don't get to sit there and ask questions anymore. But I think he did all right. I'm always interested in Nick with these things. Nick was there the first night, and he didn't have a whole lot. You know, he wasn't asked a whole lot. Nick going with sort of a busier haircut. I was going to say, I know a good barber in Haddonfield where Nick lives that could help him there because he looked like he was really, you know. I don't necessarily think it's a bad look.

just it's different than his normal look. Quite different. Yeah. He has the full beard now. He often, you know, he'll have the full beard and then it'll be gone. And then another week later, he'll have it again, you know. Yes. It's like Zach, he grows it back very quickly.

Yes. Yes. Yeah, I thought, I thought, I thought Howie's demeanor on the first night was kind of interesting and that it was not celebratory. It was very much like, you know, we just, I kind of wanted to trade up. It sort of felt like, but it didn't, he didn't get the chance to. Yeah. It had to be patient. He had to be patient. He didn't like that. You're right. That was funny. He's made up for it since then.

And I think he knows that part of it is like in declaring their intention that Quinnian Mitchell is the best of this class. Like that's something that's sort of following them. And I think it's fair to read that those guys had extremely similar grades on their board. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I hadn't thought much about that until you brought it up today. But that is that is a very good point that they're going to have to, you know, this is a weight. that he's bearing here as the flagship of the cornerback class. And he's got to live up to that. And it's going to be real interesting. And one thing people said last night about Hunt that got me a little,

I wouldn't say fired up, but people keep telling me, Daniel Jerm Wright, says Vic Fangio loves this guy. Right. Well, Vic Fangio has been the Eagles defensive coordinator for how long now, three months, right? Do we have the slightest freaking idea what Vic Fangio thinks about anything? Has anybody talked to Vic Fangio? We honestly haven't heard a word from the man. Yeah, this is just ridiculous.

It is a little bit silly. You hire a defensive coordinator or an offensive coordinator. You have a press conference, for the love of God. I mean, I agree with you. It's wild. The NFL is just becoming, there's sometimes when I'm glad I'm semi-retired, because the NFL has just become such a pain in the butt to deal with in so many levels. It's also just silly.

Like the framing would be like, well, we don't want to have to have them answer questions about like the draft. Well, like if you do it right away, no one's going to care about the draft. Like now all of a sudden it's going to be a bigger deal when it takes so long. He's a grown man who's been answering questions for. Yeah, exactly. This is not a business. Yeah, this is not some new hire. He can just say, hey, yeah, draft.

I'm kind of, you know, keeping those thoughts to myself or something. Yeah. Yeah. It's bizarre. And it keeps you from being able to formulate. You know, maybe you would get some idea of what he likes or what he wants. Do you think that's what they're afraid of? Do you think that's why they don't want him out there is because it would signal something? I get so tired of that. I mean, there was a time when Tom Heckert would kind of tell you off the record what he thought of a guy, you know, before the draft.

I mean, it just isn't, it's not Dr. Strangelove. They're going to see the big board. You know, I liked it when Jerry Jones the other day said he liked that running back. I don't care, you know. Did they really want that guy or not? Maybe they didn't. Yeah. You know, so what, you know.

Yeah. Now, you also know, having covered Howie for so long, as Jordan McGee, the linebacker from Temple, goes off the board to Washington, that the like oh this is Vic Van Joe's favorite guy is so perfect for him because he gets credit for the pick if he works out but if not it's like well you know I gave Vic his guy that's not really my fault well remember and then the other thing about coaches liking guys Doug Peterson like Jalen Rager that was why you have Jalen Rager right

so perfect coaches aren't scouts yeah yeah interesting um okay we're still waiting to see eagles are crawling ever ever closer about 10 or so picks away with theoretically off the word theoretically yeah they'll probably trade down and at this point it does like good for them for getting future value they've gotten what they need they got a third and a fourth and a fifth for next year it's kind of time to get some guys how many 2029 picks do they have so

far good question yeah there's not no nothing pushed out to 2026 just 2025 so next year they're going to have to recoup the Hassan Redick pick, so they're going to be trading forward again. Good point. Yeah. All right. And what about, did you watch the Quignan Mitchell Press Conference? Oh, thank you very much.

I did. You know, he says he— A serious young man. Well, he says he patterns his game after Darius Slay, but he clearly doesn't pattern his public persona after Darius. Yes, that's true. Slay's a lot of fun as a reporter. And Quinn Young doesn't look like, the thing that as a reporter would have frustrated me is they start asking him about the Toledo coach, who's Nick's best buddy.

He played with Nick at Mount Union. And you're looking for like a really good anecdote. Yeah, I heard they were good friends. Yeah. That's about all I know about it. Did you ask your coach anything about Nick or the, no, no, didn't do that. Okay, then. We'll just write a story off of nothing here then.

This is kind of inside baseball, but we're kind of killing time here. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, for the younger guy, he doesn't know that he needs to give you a quote. Exactly. You grab me that water bottle over there on your way in. But yeah, I'm with you. You give a little more color. But it seems like there's a bit of a, I've seen the comparison to Devante Smith. He sort of seems like a similar personality to Yvante Smith.

Thank you very much. Absolutely. All right, Zach, what can you tell us about, young Mr. Shipley. So you'd be happy to know, or nice to know, the Shipley family, they don't believe in specialization.

You play every sport in the Shipley family. Yep. I got on a few minutes late. From lacrosse to polo. Golf. Basketball, football, I mean, lacrosse.

I got him to ask him about his time in Philadelphia because his brother went to Penn. But I texted other reporters like to find out, has this come up? when he said his brother played a pen. I didn't want to ask a repeat question there.

I asked him why he decided to come out early. Because, look, he's a fifth round pick. He's coming off an injury. And he said, or I'm sorry, fourth round pick. And he said that he graduated this with this winter. This is a lifelong dream. So that's kind of what was the impetus for him deciding to come out. He's getting healthier here.

You know, he missed a pre-draft process. So that was, you know, he said it's a good question there. He's excited for the new kickoff rules in the NFL. He thinks that's a contribution to it. But I think Bo's going to like him. He's a nice guy, Bo. I'm sure I will. I look forward to talking to him.

Yeah. Okay. So there's some of a few highlights. Like, I've got to go through and listen. You know, I'll read through the transcript. It's always tough when you're a few questions in because you know what. You're so afraid of being the guy that asked the exact same. Because that has happened.

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Indeed. So I saw when I was gone, Jordan McGee went off the board, the Temple Linebacker. You guys discussed that? Washington. We mentioned it. Okay. Cam Hart, the cornerback from Notre Dame gone now. So, you know, it's still lingering on the board.

Jeremiah Trotter. Junior. Do you think the Eagles are, as somebody said in the chat, just going to keep trading down until he's been picked? Someone takes him. It's like, yeah, maybe so. Yeah, we just missed him. Ah, you know, he was the next guy on our board.

board event. Yeah, that's, that's kind of what you want to see. Brendan Rice or Jeremiah Trotter Jr. Yeah, either one could be. Malik Washington, still on the board. The wide receiver that I like from Virginia. Brendan Rice, you mentioned. Anthony Gold from Oregon State.

Jalen Coker from Holy Cross. Taj Washington, who was actually a more of a productive player on the outside with Caleb Williams than Brendan Rice was. Jaquan Jackson, the speedster from Tulane. Spencer Rattler is still. Yes. Aeneas Smith, who they brought in. visit.

Spencer Rattler. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Tell us your Spencer Rattler stuff. I'm saying I think Spencer Rattler went to the Mike McCarthy, you know, media tour before the draft because there was a lot of hype about like, oh, Spencer Rattler is the quarterback people. Well, yeah, but Mike McCarthy got hired.

It worked for him. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I'm saying this media tour talking him up, but it didn't work out. Offensive line, the same names that we've sort of been talking about banding around. Christian Jones, Nathan Thomas, Gary Greenfield. Josiah Ezereem, Travis Glover, Bo Limmer, Dylan McMahon, Hunter Norzad, Satoa Laumea,

Cedric Van Praangrenger, Javion, Cohen, Edgewise, my guy Austin Booker still on the board, Adisa Isaac, who they brought in for a visit, linebacker, you got Trotter, you got Tommy Eichenberg, Safety, Catan Oladipo, and Beau Braide. Shout out to C. Fres. Got to get McGee crossed out here on my big board.

All right, fun stuff. Indeed. So you think Professor Selman, I'm sorry, think Professor Selman is watching. Now he listens back. I got to say, Professor, I'm not young anymore, but I'm not old, okay? I'm 38.

I don't have the best guys in the world, okay? But who's supposed to read this one-page print thing that you send out? What size font is this? Can you read that list? Well, how else would you get it all on one page? No, I see not. Or did I do this incorrectly?

Was it supposed to be over two pages with Spide? Maybe it's more for the screen? I don't know. It might be more for the screen. Yeah. There you go. Yeah, how hard time. But, I mean, if the goal is to get it all on one page,

it has to be a certain size. Absolutely. I mean, the volume of players here. You could take a photo with your phone and then blow it up a little bit or something. Well, no, I haven't blown up my computer. I wanted to have the... You're just complaining for, Oh, not complaining.

I was just curious if the problem was my eyes here. He just likes picking fights with our guests. I would never pick fights with Professor Selman. He can walk laps around me intellectually. Well, Coach Flynn, you pick fights with him. You pick fights with him on my behalf. Yes. You hate his school?

I'm a pro pen guy. I believe in Philly schools. So. Okay. Yeah. Who are the locals available on the board right now? Well, Jordan McGee just went. Okay.

He was a local guy. Some of the local Tyke Smith went earlier. He was a local player. The best local quarterback is probably Devin Leary. I don't think he's going to get drafted. He's from Lesz's Neck of the Woods in South Jersey. I can tell you exactly where Devin Leary is from. Delmar.

That's a good call back to the year or all year episode. Devin Leary, who has a fifth, sixth round grade from Dame Bruegler is from Sicklerville, went to Timber Creek High School. Okay, yeah. How far is that from you? Good ways. He was born in Voorhees. Oh, okay.

That's much closer. Yep. He started his career at NC State. Then he went to Kentucky last year. I had 25 touchdowns, 12 interceptions there. As far as some of the other local guys, I mean, and I said, this guy's not a local guy, but he's a player I like and his local connection. Olivia Reiner did a great piece on him this week in the Inquirer.

And that's Walter Rouse, who speaking of Penn. Penn worked at the hospital. The hospital is University of Pennsylvania, or at Penn Hospital, I should say. And a really smart guy, went to Stanford, finished his career at Oklahoma. I like him as no alignment. Wouldn't be the worst player for the Eagles to take.

Take a look through these super chats, which Julia has flashed up here. Benjamin says, saw Zach at the gym the other day. He power cleaned 405 for reps and then gave me a thousand yards stare. I kept my head down and kept on walking. I don't blame you.

That did not happen, Benjamin. Idiot Sandwich. It was actually 3.85, so that's why. Yeah. Idiot Sandwich asks, Zach, does Reed have to play every preseason game and mock cut guys in training camp? No, he doesn't have to play every game. And he can even just don't tell me you won the Super Bowl if you didn't earn the Super Bowl.

He's just trying to make covers. He wants, he's excited. He accomplished something. He wants a little power back. The Super Bowl is what I'm saying. That's my only point. Well, I missed something here. Go ahead.

My son plays Madden, the video game. Yeah, yeah. And he told me today that he won the Super Bowl. And I said to him, did you play the regular season? And he said, no. And I said, well, that doesn't count. You didn't earn the Super Bowl bid, right? And how old is you?

You said, I don't care. No, okay. I didn't say I don't. I forget specifically what I said. I was in the middle of writing a jail. My face. I was in the middle of, no, not say that. I was in the middle of writing a jail.

Hunt story. Okay. And he came running in to tell me about... He's excited. Yeah. But he won the Super Bowl. I mean, he didn't... He did.

Okay. We don't need to... You're making it seem as if I did some, like, bad form of parenting here. I'm not judging your parenting. I actually stand by the idea that you want to earn something, right? That you want to... But he did. He built the roster.

You want to feel the satisfaction. It's like... It's like we read at night. Would it have been more impressive if he was playing on the easiest mode possible and just won every game and won the Super Bowl? No. He built the roster. I did not expect this. If anything, the simulation is a better judge of the team that he's built.

Well, yeah, I give him credit for his roster building, although he changes the age of this starting center. Yeah, we do. We can debate about that, yes. Yeah, so you can change the age, and he doesn't want Jason Kelsey to retire. So he made Jason Kelsey younger. Hmm. Yeah, it's a good strategy. The Eagles can make him too much younger.

You get to the point where he wasn't that good yet. That's true. Yeah. The Eagles wish they could do that. Anthony Gould going off the board to the Indianapolis Colts. Another super chat from Mbudda-But-da-F says, Bo, are you feeling better, bud? And I am.

Thank you for asking. Roger wants to know. Has the chat made a decision on how long the Zach Banner stays up? Hopefully not longer. Julia, you're the executive producer. What do you think? Well, by the chat, by the poll. Yesterday's poll.

Well, that was yesterday, yeah. Okay. So forever, as the age? Yeah. No, no, no. Yeah. What do you think, what do you think Cuzz's reaction will be on Monday morning if this is sitting behind him? Let's see that.

Let's see that. That's make sure that comes down. Okay. What do you think about like the ceiling of the Berman bedroom? Oh, I like that. Yeah. I like that. That's pretty good.

I don't think we need to put it there. It's going to be tough to get it up there. Yeah. You need a ladder. But, yeah, I like that. It's a height joke? Well, I just imagine you have high ceilings. Yeah.

It's tough to hang anything up on this. Every ceiling's high to me. So. Every ceiling is high. Yeah. No, I'm saying, you know, it's, you know. Yeah. Sealing by definition is higher for me than it is for you.

So. Well, any ceiling by definition is higher for me than it is for you. Well, it's not higher for you. It's just more out of reach for you. It seems higher to me. Okay. It is for you. Okay.

Yes. If, if we went on a small airplane. okay and you said these ceilings are so low and I would say not to me they're not right but they would still the height I know the same for everybody I know the height's the same I'm saying the perspective I see but isn't high a not to get theoretical here but isn't high a matter of perspective no less is the same height to both of us no my point is the but yeah if I consider a ceiling high or further away yeah so

All right. Let's talk football. I wish Howie would trade up. He's on the screen here. I think we should send the banner to Howie. He would say, what is Zach Kurtz doing? Sending that to me. I saw another super chat who says that, oh, if Reed, all Reed has to do is become a five-star recruit from Philly, then Zach will love him. Listen, I'll take this one.

Zach, there's no one in the world that Zach loves more than Reed. Thank you. I'm not debating that. Thank you, very much. Thank you. But you might treat him with a little more respect, yeah. No. Tough love.

I wanted them to feel the, when you earn something, it feels better than when you're, when something happens to you, right? You want to earn it. He'll be telling this to his therapist in 20 years. Yeah, so Christian Mahogany is still hanging around, huh? Love that pew. Love that pew. Yeah, Eagles within range. one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten.

A picks away. Probably more like eight if we're catching up on Twitter. Let's see who else is coming off the board here. And nobody else that I can see. Christian Mahogany. Is that going to be your guess here, Zach? That is my guess here. That was my guest.

Last one, I will stick to it. And who would you pick? That's a good question. Let me give you my award pick here and pull up the available options. Vince says that the banner will be cut up and signed each piece and sent to random dieharts.

Oh, wow. Vince, you're cutting this thing up over my dead body. Sort of like pieces of the shroud, you know. Yes. The Holy Grail. This is so embarrassing this thing. Like the, like the hardwood at the Boston Garden or something like that. Everybody gets a square. How did you come up with the color combos? Good question. So the

the like the little flags that's just part of the template I actually think that the the light blue is or whatever that is I'm going to go with the teal there kind of an aqua but I have to say it like the

clarity of the big font on this screen is really really sharp it's really a nice job and I do I did I thought it was important to get four on a line because I feel like Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach,

you've got to get the four. Yes. And act like you've been there before. Hand the ball back to the official. Act like you've been there before. Yeah, but also, don't you want a team to, the team that celebrates together wins together. That's the whole story of the 2022 Eagles.

Yeah, but don't mistake activity for achievement, right? So anyways, to answer your question. You work hard all year long to get into the end zone. You better celebrate when you get there. Christian Jones Have some fun Christian Jones 6, 35305 34 and a half inch arms

left tackle right tackle experience athletically did not do a broad jump of 50440 which is good for a 305 pound athlete the summation

in the beast is overall Jones is high cut with signs of stiffness and its movements but he's strong at contact and maintains his feel on first and second level

blocks allowing him to finish his man with punishing hands he projects best as an NFL swing tackle on a team's third or third offensive tackle. So that's Christian Jones. Christian Mahogany, though, is still the guy who I would probably go Christian Mahogany at this point. Like we've said, the age, you don't love the age part of it, but really good player.

Actually, I remember, I think it was Pete Thammell did a good piece on him two years ago. Mahogany decided to stay in school, but, you know, he had some injury issues, but good player, good player. From Elmwood Park, New Jersey, went to Paramus. I think we went to Paramus Catholic. It says Paramus here, I believe Paramus Catholic. Wow, you think you're calling out Dan?

No, I'm just, I believe, I remember him as a recruit, and it says here, he enrolled up Paramus Catholic. It just says, it set up top Paramas. Got it. And is there a regular Paramus? There might be. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. But he was, you know, first team all last year.

Oh, the Bears, Austin Booker. They're killing his draft. There you go. Good, good callback. Good callback. Yeah, Christian Mahogany is someone who I like. What do you like about Christian Mahog? I think he first off the versatility.

I watched him more three years ago than this past year. He missed two years ago. He was a big-time guard then. And then I didn't watch as much Boston College this past year. But he was the best offensive lineman on a good offensive line group. His old line coach, I believe, was Matt Applebaum, who's the former offensive line coach for the Miami Dolphins. Brother of Benita. Benita Applebaum?

Got it going on. I'm not familiar with that. But yeah, he's, and then I like the fact that they learn how to play from watching Madden or from playing Madden with Trent Williams. or read or read yes and maybe they played it on the line here you go he uh

he had the chance to earn significant NIL money okay as a transfer because as I said a few years ago he was like one of the top guards in the country

and he said why would I leave just to be a six month rental when I can build something special here he's not built something special at Boston College but he had that type of loyalty yeah to me it's a flag that he chose to sign up to play for Steve Adazio at Boston College. He was originally part of the Steve Adazio recruiting class.

Not Jeff Hathley? No, he was assigned to be part of the Adizio recruiting class. Okay. And to commit as a young man to play for Steve Adazio, I'm got to say it's off my board. One of the worst guys in coaching, a true scum of the earth, human being. Bad judge of character. Yeah. He heard from Alabama, Georgia, and Notre Dame.

He had 15 offers. And he chose to play for... He considered... I don't know if Georgia and Alabama offered him, but Pitt and Ruckers did. And he decided to go to Boston College. One of that good Jesuit education in Chessna Hill, Massachusetts.

Okay. Yeah. Philly 52 says, Zach, do you know who any of the Eagles Red Star? players are this year. Good question. I don't know the answer to that. I'll try to find out. Yeah, what will your questions be for, for Howie today? We need to see how... Probably a last chance to talk to Howie until the cut day. Until cut day, yeah. I don't know, good questions. What would you want to ask, ask, ask, uh, last I have some specific,

you know, draft questions for him, but you try, you try to get some big picture ones in as well. You know you're not going to get an answer to, you know, what were you hoping to get out of this weekend that you didn't get, which is really the pertinent question, but you won't answer it. So, you know, you might as well ask it. Are there areas where you think, as we go through the spring, that you really want to keep adding on to? That might be a way of asking that question that could get an answer, probably won't. he'll say every area you know blah blah blah you know the the player acquisition season never ends just because we're done now doesn't mean we're done

this is not our week one roster yeah I might ask him who those red star if they took a red star player this year yeah yeah did you take a red star player because he won't tell you who the red star players are from other teams right he's not going to do that but did you take a red star player this year yeah before we get to what's coming up with the eagle here. Les, I got to ask you, because everybody loved your

Embed take from the other day. How are you feeling about the Sixers heading into tomorrow? Oh, I'm apprehensive, but I'm always apprehensive. It's just the way I look at things. You don't say. I just losing game two to me was a terrible, terrible

thing. And it's great that they came back in one game three. The Knicks have complained so bitterly about Embed that he's probably going to have four fouls by the end of the first quarter tomorrow or tomorrow. I would love to see the Sixers win this series.

I think they might be the better team, but I just feel like they didn't get Embed back in time to really put the pieces together the right way, and they're just not ready to gel as a group and really, you know, do what they need to do this spring. But from the perspective of if he's going to like either be yourself or don't play, him putting up 50 on Thursday night. Oh, that was amazing. Good for him. You know, I mean, I tend to defend him, B, you know, more than I criticize him.

But that was something that really needed to happen for him, you know, that dominant. performance in a big win after he had said that he that they would win the series uh but he's got a big load to carry uh with tobias playing like tobias is playing and with you know they've benched buddy healed now uh i just don't know i don't know we'll have to see how he feels that well i want to ask this and then i'll get to how i'm feeling unless it's time covering the eagles He was the best on the beat in terms of injury, information and explanation, right? He was great at getting information, but also when there was an injury, he could contextualize what the injury was. And you've seen, on the Flyers and the Eagles, a wide array of injuries.

Bell's palsy. I have never seen, I know what it is, but I never does it really affect. I mean, I know it affects your facial muscles. Yeah. But does it affect your performance at all? Does it affect anything? I mean, it's a pretty, I mean, your. Is your eyesight compromised?

Right? Your face is like paralyzed. Yeah. But are you using your face for, you know, I mean. Yeah. Have you had any exposure covering sports to Bells Balls? No. Yeah, that was a new one.

That was a new one. I had not seen that. But that guy, what else could happen to him? You know, I mean, it's just unbelievable. How are you feeling? So how am I feeling? Look, I think when you have the best player in the series, then you have a good chance of winning it.

Okay. I thought the Sixers outplayed the Nixon in game two. They did. They obviously didn't win. I didn't get to watch game three. I was here. Yeah. But my presumption is they outplayed them in game three.

I thought they put up a good fight in game one. I think these Sixers are going to win this series still. I hope you're right. As long as M. B doesn't get hurt. I think the Sixers win the series. and I think the Sixers win the next series. Really? Yeah.

Now, Janice could come back and that changes things up. But Indiana and Milwaukee, they're going back and forth. I think the Sixers can beat either one of those teams. And Boston, I don't think the Sixers can beat Boston. But the thing is, there's injury variance the later you get into a series or the later you get into the playoffs. There's a number of things that could happen. Winning that game against Miami was huge because it put the Sixers on the other end of the bracket. I don't think the Knicks can can stop and beat.

Number one, I think that what was real encouraging about game three, even though I didn't watch it, just looking at the box score, is I kept saying this, what worries me about the Sixers is Joe and Brunson hasn't gone off yet. They were down 02. And at some point, so he went off, and they still won.

Oh, the Knicks will still watch. Yeah, that the Sixers won. Yeah. So I was waiting because there's a, because there's always a game in a series where Brunson can win it for you. And the fact that that didn't happen, I think it's an encouraging sign. I'm still going, I'm going sixers and seven now. But, yeah, I have the six years winning the series.

Well, that I hope you're right. A really nice tease for the fact that if you want to watch that Sixers game with us tomorrow, us being P.H.O.I. You can come watch the game at Wicked Wolf. It's a 12 o'clock game. Is it the afternoon game? Is it at 12? No, it's one.

It's a 1 o'clock game. So it starts at 12 and then. free game show at 1230, and then the watch-along, and then the post-game show with the guys at Wicked Wolf. So, uh, join, join them. Exciting, exciting, exciting times. All right, Zach, we're closing in. And now we're about five picks away. Les, you want to hang with us until the Eagles make a pick?

Oh, sure. Absolutely. That sounds good. Uh, and then in a little bit, we'll, uh, we'll hear from Fran Duffy too. So hopefully, hopefully they'll make a pick and we have somebody to talk about. Have you been watching any of the, uh, well, you guys are usually doing this, but watching the different channels at home that the draft is on. I am not, yeah.

Well, the Sabin thing is really interesting. Yeah, how is he on it? He is great. I'm not surprised. He has wonderful insights on all these guys that Alabama never played, you know, but he likes every player. And you kind of know that they aren't all going to be great players, but he actually does, he'll bring up, you know,

this guy reminds me when I was with the Browns, which was a long time ago, you know. We had a guy just like this. He had this kind of injury. You know, I mean, I was impressed. I don't know Saban at all. You know, I've been around him maybe twice. But very, not a, you know, coach so-and-so kind of yucky.

You know, he's a very intellectual fellow. Yeah. I mean, I feel like this would have been tough for you, Zach, if you were not on this show because to have Sabin and Belich. Yeah, exactly. Simon and Belichick. What would you have chosen? Well, so here's the thing.

I mean, Belichick. Because Belichick's on with McAfee, that thing's clipped all over the place. So I've been able to see some. Yeah. I haven't watched this because I hate McAfee and that whole. Yeah. I mean,

it's a very funny like. But the thing is they clip it. McAfee's like Gibbons on the set. Yeah. Well, that's the thing. Belchick's in full suit. You know,

you got McAfee and like a denim get up. It's an interesting, it's an interesting arrangement there. Andrecestime going off the board to the Denver Broncos. Yeah. I heard. his breakdown of Quinyan Mitchell, Belichick's, and I thought it was a real good one. Yeah.

Right? And yeah, Saban, we'll love to hear Savin. I mean, the two of them together would be the ideal. Yeah, I don't know how you feel about that. I would not change the channel, that's for sure. Shut the doors, turn off the lights. Po, bow, bow, bow, oh, come on. It's inappropriate.

One thing I'll say about Sabin golf over here, since we're kind of killing time here with Sabin, this is something I'm always acutely aware of. Sabin's got his hair dyed like really dark brown and it looks. It's dyed. It's not natural? He's 72 years old. And it's a very different color from the color it was during the season.

And I know, you know, I experimented with this. When I was in my early 30s, I had gray hair. You know, the thing I learned is women can get all this professional hair dye stuff. You know, they go to these places and they put the stuff in. and it looks great for weeks and weeks. Women have it so easy. Yeah, that's what I always say, yes. God, I hope my wife isn't it?

But with men, you buy this stuff at the drugstore, and it sucks. It's just, it lasts for about three days, and your hair is green. You can go to the... You can like Joyani at the Four Seasons, right? The thing, it's coming down to see it. Yeah, exactly, yeah. So, you know, I'm an advocate for just letting your hair look like. But there is a downside to that.

when we had our second kid, I think I was 38. Uh-oh. And I was on Daily News Live back then, so people would. So I went to a Phillies game. I guess Dan was maybe two years old. So I would have been 40. And the guy says, oh, Lesh, you're out with your grandson. Ah, no.

I'm 40. But, you know, Anthony Gargano said the other day that I haven't changed a bit. It's a compliment. It's because I looked old when I was young. Yeah. But so it goes. You don't look old. You keep young.

Yeah, right. Keep saying that. I like that. Yeah. Someone said to me, Zach looks like you have a few more grays in there. I said, well, I do five shows a week with Bo.

Yeah, that's right. I think, I think the chatters can agree that this is three stone cold sex symbols up here right now. Indeed. Yeah. No doubt about that. Tommy Eikenberg going off the board, the linebacker from Ohio State.

So really, the Eagles may have no choice but to take Jeremiah. Fraud. He's the longer this goes. He's the last draft. How he starts throwing stuff around the room. Like, God, damn it, I gotta do it. Yeah.

It gets to a point where, like I said, the value is the value, right? Well, also, I mean, he said the thing to you in the pre-draft press conference about, like, we view that as a positive. In the fifth round, either you were lying or... I mean, look, you, if you just did, you know, in college basketball, they did the blonde, the, I'm not the blonde, the blind resume, the blind resume resume. That's a different thing. The blind resume test. That's the blind resume test. Right?

The blind resume test. school Aver, school B, right? If you take the name off here and I say, all right, I'm telling you a 21-year-old linebacker who was first team all-ecc last year, second team all-American the year before, had five and a half sacks last year, six and a half sacks the year before, has 26 career starts, you know, six foot, two 28, you know, he's... He's not old? Yeah, like, he's been really productive. Athletically, it might not be where you want him to be, but, you know, the comp that Dane Bruehler had was T.J. Edwards, right? T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. Jedward should have been drafted.

Yeah. The comp I've used is Nikobi Dean. Like it gets to a point where you say, all right, let's take out the last name. Let's take out the pressure. I would think any reasonable person would say he's your fifth round pick. He's not, the expectation should not be his father. It gets to a point where just the football value is too high. I do think that there were, there are and probably were some nuanced, complicated

evaluations here that go beyond a typical player just because of the burden that could come with it. But you get to a point where it is, uh, it's just too much. Um, like the, the value jumps out. The blood, the, yeah, blind profile. I know what you're saying. jumps out. And, and you can't worry about, I don't want to say arbitrary things, but like, tangential. Yeah, tangential. Yeah, tangential. Yeah, exactly. When you went, to the matter, when the value is pretty clear. Yeah. I think that's probably fair. And, and also like, not for nothing, the rest of the linebackers are. That's what I'm saying.

Yeah, he stands out. Yeah. What seemed to. Like they've had fifth round picks so they don't keep, you know? So it's not at this point. Are there any injury issues with Trotter? Unlike his dad who had a terrible knee when he was drafted.

Yeah, he played through a hamstring injury last year, but he did not miss time. Okay. Jeremiah Sr., I wasn't carving the team when he was drafted, but he was a third round pick out of Stephen Austin, which doesn't happen a whole lot. And he would have gone higher, except he had a knee that was really bad. And a lot of doctors didn't think he'd have a long career.

And then when he became a free agent, when the Eagles, one of the first things I covered as an Eagles Pete Rider is the Eagles franchised him, and he took great umbrage at this, and they ended up releasing him. And he signed with Washington and didn't have a good year there, and then he's back on the market again. And the problem was he couldn't pass a physical. I mean, his knee was so bad. but he came back here and played and was in the Super Bowl, you know.

And he had a quote. It was something like, you know, if you're worried about my knee, my knee hasn't passed a physical in 10 years. Yeah, he told, I think he told Cincinnati that was in your book. Yeah. He told Cincinnati that. Yeah, it was a good book. Make sure you check that out.

But yeah, so I know from that draft process, there was a defensive coordinator, I believe the defense coordinator, you know better than me, Willie Shaw. And Willie Shaw was pounding the table. table for Jeremiah Trotter. Okay. Was saying like, you know, and they were in the third round and they really liked the player.

There was the injury concern. They just thought the player was too good by that point. Willie Shaw was vouching for it. Yeah. But the medical things, you know, that's something that I don't think, well, we don't know enough about it because it's very opaque. But that's a huge thing in the draft. You know, I've talked to doctors and they go to Indianapolis and they just, they'll

tell who was that running back Polk? The Eagles had? Chris Pol. Chris Pol. The shoulder? The deal was, yeah. His agent told him the doctors say you're going to play a few years. You know, and you're done at that point.

Now, and it's interesting how it sucks out. He's taking Spencer Rattler, by the way, go ahead. Because Josh Sweat, like, you kept hearing that, you kept hearing that and gets a point now where people ask Josh Swett about his knee and he gets like infuriated. He's like, I don't miss games. I don't miss practice.

Can you stop asking about my knee? But he does kind of. limp a little bit? Yeah, yeah, he does. But he, yeah, his knee, by the time he got out of college, his knee, he hadn't had any trouble with it in a long time, but it was such a devastating injury that the question was, will he ever recover the burst that he had as the top prospect in the country in high school? Yep. And eventually he kind of did, but you still wonder if he, what he would have been without that knee injury. Yeah, I think so. And, and I, I think, probably part of the, like, calculus for the Eagles

and looking to maybe trade him, right? And not extending him beyond this year. Yeah. Another guy was Jay Ajai, who had a knee. And when he came out, you know. That was a similar to Polk. He was like, you got four years, buddy. Yeah, like, yeah, he's only going to play a few years.

He might be good, but not going to play very long. Cornelius Inger, remember him? Of course, yeah. He had won, his second year, a really good training camp. Well, he came, the problem was, at Florida he had an ACL graph and it was a bad and they discovered at the combine that the graft hadn't been done right

it was poorly placed which apparently is something that can happen with athletes and these ACL graphs and it wasn't done like by the by the best right right and basically once they do that wrong you can get it fixed but for some reason it doesn't work as well and you're not the same same guy. That seems weird to me. I mean, it seems like you just go in and you do it right. You know, but that was not the case with him.

They could not get it back to where it was. Yeah. Really nice guy. Very nice guy. Colts are on the clock right now. The Eagles are next. Christian Mahogany's still there? Jeremiah Trotter Jr. is still there. Johnny Wilson still there. Yeah, Malik Washington is still there.

DeLishton, my man? Mm-hmm. Bo Limmer? like the like this this is a good spelling of bow B-E-A-U-X the Cajun bow Walter Rouse is still there you think Christian Mahogany Zach you're going to go there again I keep sticking with it I keep going at some point I'm going to be right

well I don't know that actually that could be he could not take him so yeah Mickey Loomis knows ball Spencer Rattler Spencer Rattler he sees all the stories yeah the Eagles are on the clock now stop please stop please come on.

Please stop, please stop, please stop. Trot. Make it happen, Howie. Julia, Julia wants it.

You want Trotter? Here we go. Here we go. Yeah, I missed that little song you did when they were on the clock last night. Could it be?

Okay. Yeah, could it be, Bolemer, could it be Miles Hardin, could it be Kailen Carson, could it be

Jeremiah Trotter Jr. Could it be Tanner McLaughlin? Could it be Jalen Coker? Could it be Brendan Rice? Could it be Malik Washington? So Colts have taken Jalon Carleys. Oh, Jaylon Carleys.

Yes, who might be more of a box safety. I like a Jailen Carleys. Had I actually had him as the Eagles' sixth round pick, I think, in my pre-direct, mock draft. Jaylon Carleys. DJ James, Darius, Moisau, Game Hall, Christian Boyd, Boyd, Mohamed, Kamara, Brayden McGregor, Cedric Johnson,

Dylan McMahon, do it, do it, do it. What's it going to be? Who do they going to be? Who do you think it's going to be? Please stop that. We don't need to do that. I'm pessimistic on this. At least how he hasn't traded the pick yet.

Yeah, it's true. How many Zaks are in the draft? Zach McCarion Mathis, Zach Peterson, Zach Heinz. Zach's got a Heinz. I'm always interested if they're a C.H. Zach or a CK.

Yeah, C.H is better. Zach Frazier? It's like the Starbellied Sneaches and the Steeches. That's how I feel about the B-E-A-Us. Now, B-A-U-X, I like, but B-E-A-U, we do not, we do not get along. That's, it's on site with those guys. I'm with that with the Leslie's.

Aeneas Smith. The Eagles are taking Aeneas Smith. The wide receiver from Texas A&M. They're just taking the pre-draft visit guys. How about a little creativity? Unbelievable. All right. Want-want-want-wan.

Not exciting. So running back in a wide receiver, still no linebackers or offensive linemen for the Eagles. So Anaya Smith who. Ania Smith. Yeah. Is 23 years old. 59 190. Anayas.

Nyes Smith was born and raised in Missouri City just outside Houston, played five seasons at Texas A&M. Best season was last year, 53 catches for 795 yards, 15 yards per catch, two touchdowns and a drop. Again, undersized. So you're looking at a slot slash potential special teams contributor, ran a 4-5-5. So not exactly the world's fastest man.

The bottom line from Dan Bruegler. Overall, Smith doesn't have ideal size or catch radius, but he is an instinctive athlete with the twitchy gear change and competitive toughness to be productive with the ball in his hands. He can be a team's top punt returner as a rookie, and his offensive skill set shows similarities to, as Zach said earlier, Elijah Moore. Hmm.

And that, yeah. So I liked him just because, of the short area quickness, right? Like that's the term you hear with him. He's different than some of the receivers that they had. You mentioned Jacob Cowling. He didn't have the volume that Jacob Cowling did, but I thought he had a little more explosiveness there.

Certainly special. He's way slower, but. Yeah, I'm telling you based on what I watched. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, based on what I watched, I think he can be that dynamic with the ball in his hands. He's a different type of athlete. He's a shiftier athlete.

Yes. So I, so I, maybe explosives not well no I think I would rather have Moly Washington but yes okay okay 29 inch arm huh yeah twitchy is what you hear with him I think you like him because the name of his high school was Dulles okay well Dulles is in northern Virginia more than D.C but okay but I mean the views you get there when you're coming in that

no that's that's more Reagan well you get some views now you actually don't get any views of Dulles yeah so you hate Dulles I don't hate Dulles I don't just like um first team always C C C C C C C last year as a return specialist yeah yeah not as a receiver I think that's an important distinction but yes

okay well they've added you know this is not your Devante Parker replacement I'm sorry to say Zach but Ania Smith is on the board boy those pre-draft visits they're just banging those out

but they take him over Christian mahogany which is interesting yeah that is interesting that they've gone this long without an offensive lineman right now they could still they could they could still grab one here uh but yeah i i i see the dynamic explosive ability i mean it looks to me like you broke this one too chat baby let's hear it well can we oh bow bow you're here to do a job we're here to do a job yeah let's please stop that come on

yeah come on um you're crushing it what a weekend all right let's all right let's what do you make of it well i if for a wide receiver here's my question here's my question i guess how surprised are you given howie rosemary rosters building philosophy that he has not taken an offensive lineman yet pretty surprised given that they lost a lot at offensive line you know a lot of depth kelsey opetta driscoll gone replaced only by mad hennyson clearly they don't see and I heard this from some people going to the draft that there was a lot of, there were offensive tackles high in the draft

that were very, very good, but that there wasn't great offensive line depth in this draft. And clearly how he believes that. I don't think he just doesn't like these guys. I mean, they would take one if he did. Yeah, so I think that offensive line, and this was brought up to us,

I'm sorry, was it, was it Dane? I think Dane said this the other day, that there's a drop-off, right? There's a really good group at the top, but it doesn't have the same depth as other positions. Right. And I think you're seeing that. Yeah.

As much as Eagles like Quinnian Mitchell, I don't think that was their top choice there. Like, I think they wanted an offensive lineman early in the draft for the reasons that we said. Yeah, offensive tackle was, you know, even though the six quarterbacks did push things down, it didn't really push the offensive tackles down. They went.

Well, yeah, I mean, well, Mims went a little higher than, I think some people thought. Falun was the one they probably could have traded up. Latham went seventh overall, right? Yeah. Layth was top ten picks. Yeah. Yeah.

So I think that was the part of this that was kind of complicated was I think they would like to tackle early. I don't think teams were moving off tackles because they saw the drop off too. But at the same time, it's not like they're in a crisis here. I mean, as long as Lane Johnson's healthy, they're not in a crisis. But Lane, yeah, but the framing that you always talk about, about Zach, the way that they talk about things, how the only, the only seasons that have really gone wrong for them have been disaster offensive line seasons when they've had injuries.

They are not protected against that right now. Fred Johnson is their top backup. Fred Johnson and Matt Hennessy, presuming that Tyler Steen is your right guard. But as you were saying, we were talking about how he's going to say after the draft, there is, you do have several months here to get players. But it is harder to find, like, quality depth, along the offensive line from May through September

than it is to find quality guys in the secondary or quality wide receiver options or quality running back options. I mean there will be some, but offensive line, like everybody's looking for offensive linemen. Yeah. Those guys do not get squeezed out

like they do at other positions. And listen, the last several drafts, they have focused on defensive tackle and offensive line. They have put their money where they're mouth is on building the team on the line of scrimmage. But in this draft, they've made five picks and only one of them is even arguably a line player. That's Jalick's Hunt, who is more of a guy in

space anyway. So if you're going to tell us this is how you build the team, they have not done that this draft at least. You're right. And look, I don't think you force things. You got to see how the board goes. This is the flip side of the trading up for Cooper to Jean, more than anything right because if you're drafting a 50 and 53 you're going to get an offensive line yeah you're probably not getting a player as good as the gene but you can probably get if you wanted another corner or like there it's a handful of different options when you went down from 53 to at that point 70 something right you were missing out on your chance in offensive linemen that's just the reality of it now i would defend the move because they got two guys who they had

legit first round grades on, right? But if you're talking about like a placing the bets perspective, what's the smartest bet? Getting two guys in the second round, one of them being an offensive line could have been beneficial, especially when the Eagles have had success drafting, you know, second round offensive linemen, right? I mean, Cam Juergens, and, well,

we'll see about Cam Juergens, Landon Dickerson. Now, that was her always second round. And I'm not saying there was Land of Dickerson in this class. Your boy, Mike G has said the Eagles have now traded up to 155. So there we go. Interesting. What they do here? It could be, I mean, if it's, if we're,

We are just going by everything they have done. Eagles are taking Jeremiah Trotter Jr. Wow, they did it. I thought it was going to be Mahogany finally, but it's Trot Jr. All right. Julia, get back in here to celebrate

because the Eagles have done a Jeremiah Trotter Jr. Very exciting. Some help for the linebackers. Zach breaks it again. Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach. Six foot, 228, 218, 21 years old. You like the profile. file because he's also got two full years of starting experience.

The Eagles got their teammates. Will Shipley and Jeremiah Trotter. That's exciting. Jeremiah Trotter Jr. The bottom line here from Jane Brugler. Overall, Trotter is an instinctive hammer with the pedigree and toughness that will endear him to NFL coaches, although his limitations in space versus NFL athletes could restrict his next level role.

His optimistic projection is that he can be like Chicago Bears linebacker, T.J. Edwards. Yes. So they're given up 164 and 201 here. So they don't have a pick after this round right now. And they still have 171 and 172. And if they want, they can move down from those potentially. Right. Right. No need to necessarily.

Right. What do you think? What do I think? I'm talking to less. Sorry. Oh, it's value. You know, we were just talking about value at that point. at this stage of the draft, you can't argue with the pick, I don't think.

I don't think anybody thinks he's going to be a guy that gets cut in training camp or anything like that. I mean, even if his name was, you know, Jeremiah Wolf, he wouldn't be. That's a good name. I mean, he's a legit player. I mean, he might not be a starter. He might, he's not his father, but you're the fifth round. You're getting a guy that's going to make your.

your team. He's going to be starting a game for the Eagles this year. That's my prediction. Really? Yeah. Okay. Get your tweets out. I mean, no, I have a lot of analysis here. Most popular draft prospect in Philadelphia comes to Philadelphia. A position of, you know, position where there's a need, productive college player who just happens to be the son of one of the great players in Eagles history. And nobody had, you know, it's not like everybody was saying he's a seventh round pick or he's a you know a udFA guy and i this is fact i people thought maybe he'd go a little higher

than this yeah yeah what a fun one for this eagle's fan to get to announce yeah guys got some swag yeah so look what i will go back dom get to announce that's what i want to i will go back to what i said the blind resume test right that's what i was saying yeah a 21 year old or 20 who who has the type of production that he has. It is. Julie's pumped. Yeah. Go ahead, Zach.

The 21-year-old is the type of production that he has at a position where they can use help. Look, that 40-yard dash is not going to oppress anyone there, right? But the ability, like, you've seen it on the field. He can blitz. I've used the Nekobicobe Dean comp. Danes use the T.J. Edwards comp. like it is he plays he knows how to play the position

and when bow and I have talked about this in the past and I assume you will agree with this too less linebacker's a position where you can talk about Davy on Taylor's four four or five speed but if you're a half a second faster or if it takes you a half a second to think about where to go

I would rather have the guy who knows where to go Jeremiah Trotter Jr. knows where to go so that's why I like this this pick I wouldn't have liked it in the second round. I wouldn't have liked it in the third round. Maybe the fourth round you're saying, all right, the pressure's there.

It gets to a point where the value is too strong, and that's how I view this. I want to hear a fun anecdote about Jeremiah Trotter Sr.'s lack of speed. Please. So when he came back to the Eagles after leaving, at first, Jim Johnson was reluctant. He had gotten that linebacker from Atlanta. What the hell was the guy's name? Like Reese? No, the guy that had he had blocked a punt in a playoff game and they thought he was going to be a great player.

He was also, he placed kicked one game. Duke Riley. No, no. This was before Duke Riley. I'll think of it in a minute. But anyway, Jim Johnson didn't want to bench this guy to play Trott. So Trott was playing special teams. He was running down on kickoffs.

Several years in, yeah, he was like 30. Yep. And it wasn't fast. and one day in the locker room Quentin Michael Trott was also known for having one of his attributes of very large rear end and Quentin Michael went running through the locker room with a chair tied to his waist in the back

yelling hold up hold that returner up I'll get there eventually doing a trotter imitations I don't think Trot was real amused but it was funny You did not want to mess with Trot. Mark Simono Mark Simono Yes, that was the linebacker.

Yeah, that, you couldn't bench Mark Seminoe just to play Try. No, of course not. Eventually they did. Remember that? Eventually they did, and they went to the Super Bowl with Tri's playing instead of Mark Simono. I remember then he came back the third time in 2009, like straight off the street, right? They needed a thumper.

Yeah, I like this pick. He was into my guys. I did not think, I'll say this, though. I did not think the Eagles were going to do it. No. For the reasons that I said, I thought they would think. the pressure was too much, the burden was too much. I thought he might go before this, frankly.

Yeah. And they wouldn't have to make the decision. But like both said, it was like, Howley was sitting in there. Somebody take Trotter! And then they traded out for him so they can say that they were excited about him. They wanted him. Yes. I did have him in my mock draft.

That's one. I got one. That's two. I got two. So we both got two. Okay. Okay. I wonder how big his butt is compared to his father's.

That's some question. I don't think it's, he's not. Bill. Not as pretty much. Yeah. That's too bad now. He's no Debo. This is exciting.

Some juice for training camp. Yeah. I've used the, yeah, I mean, he's, look, it's not hyperbole to say. So the Eagles have rookie minicamp, I assume, next week, and they'll bring everyone through. And no disrespect to either of these cornerbacks. Jeremiah Trowder Jr. is going to be the most popular person there. Yeah. Right.

Jeremiah Trouter Jr. is going to be like a podium player. training camp every he's going to be when the tv cameras come i don't think i think i think quinnon mitchell's going to be i think when the tv cameras that look i always do this i call it look there's the channel six test let's call it the channel 10 you know channel 10 channel 3 basically they're looking for the story that the people at home who are watching the six o'clock news right who are not uh they're not breaking down the all 22 but you know what they love they love a good father son's story of a local guy who grew up

at the facility and, you know, everyone knows the name and how Jeremiah, and by the way, number 54 is available, right? I mean, this is, so yeah, there is going to be excitement about this. Oh, you're right. You're right. Yeah, it's exciting. Listen, I think, I think they're like, in terms of the handling the expectations, you know, he gets to go now. as having this fifth round chip on his shoulder. Like, you know, he went later than he was expected to go.

He's going to a place where people are going to, like, be behind him. Yep. I think it sets up as a nice thing for him. And frankly, I think he's got a real significant path to playing time. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I agree. I agree.

Look, he could even take the Niccobertine role. We don't know about it. He might be better than a Kobe Dean. Yeah. Right? or healthier. Yeah. All right.

You guys, I got a head out, but you're in great hands with Tyler. But I just want to say thank you so much to all the viewers and audience. You're amazing. Let's get to go in the chat. Julia. Julia. Thank you. Thank you.

Love you all. Julia. A little amount of joy for you. Julia, you are the best. Thank you so much for everything. that you have done over the past three days. Go enjoy. And everybody, welcome Tyler Zuli to the stage.

Tyler, what's going on? Hey, oh. Tyler, you're a big draft man yourself. You're a sicko. What are you hoping to see happen here over the course of the next couple picks for the Eagles? I guess if I could figure out how to, you know, not choke myself with a microphone court here,

that would be a good start. I think, you know, Charlie O'Connor put out a tweet not too long ago and said sometimes the popular pick is the right pick. And like you guys talked about, at some point the value is there, even if it's not necessarily like, I think you're going to, a lot of people are going to look at this and go, they got Trots kid, this is great. And, you know, and I think you maybe tone that back a step. But at some point, the value outplays, you know, the nominal value of his father. And I think that this is a good pick. It's exciting. It's definitely has some juice.

I mean, how many times have we asked about linebacking, the linebacking Corps and go get a linebacker, go get a linebacker, go get a linebacker. I'm not sure if he steps in and plays, you know, 50 snaps a night. But linebacking depth was super thin to begin with. Yeah, no doubt about it. I mean, they've got two guys and then they've got Oren Berks and then they got Ben Van Sumer. So it is not the deepest position that they have. If I can read some Jeremiah Trotter Jr. quotes from the Combine, I did a story on him. at the combine. It is. Why Jeremiah Trotter Jr. swings the axe like his father and whether he could do it for Philadelphia. Okay. So he said, this is what Jeremiah Trotter Jr. said. Throughout high school, I came in and was known as Jeremiah Trotter's son. As I kept playing and kept showing I can do it too, I have the ability.

God bless me with the ability to separate myself as well, but I also get props to my dad. I've never been the type to shy away from being the son of Jeremiah Trotter. I appreciate him. He's always taught me a lot of the position and really helped me get to the point I am today. He said, I never really thought there was a pressure on me to make it. He was very supportive of me. He always told me and my brother as well. He plays football, but he told us both if we weren't playing football, he'd still love us the same.

He's a great dad, a great father. I really appreciate him. I would also be remiss, by the way, we keep talking about Jeremiah Trotter's father. He's also the son of Tammy. And Tammy, his mother passed away on February 28th last year. if you're a battle with breast cancer. So he's not only the son of the Eagles legend, but yeah, he's, this is, he's,

this has been on the radar of Eagles fans for sure. A couple years, yeah. A standout of St. Joe's Prep. And like, in addition, by the way, he's not like the son of a player who grew up in California either. You know, it's like some guys move elsewhere. Right. You know, if Nick Foles' son goes on and, I mean,

he's. Quite the same thing. Yeah. Like Jeremiah Chowder Jr. grew up in here in South Jersey. He went to St. Joe's Prep. Like this is, this is a home. They got there, San Joe's prep guy back like you wanted. He understands this.

He understands this. Yeah. So you think he's going to get playing time this year? That's your prediction? I mean, there's a real easy path to playing time, don't you think? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I,

I like Dean. I'm rooting for Nicopa Dean to stay healthy, but the odds of him staying healthy for all 16 games history would tell us they're not super great. And I think that he can be better than Warren Berks right away. Yeah.

Yeah. I think it's exciting. I think it's a fun one. Linebacker value in the fifth round, not too bad. So they still have two picks coming up here in the fifth round, which right now are slated to be their final two picks of the draft.

Of the draft. You know, they could always trade in at the end, but I think we'll see if they... Go the men's room real quick. Go right ahead. The little boys' room for his E.B. Who is Miami taking here? Moe Kamara, Zach's guy, Zach leaves, just as his guy, one of his other guys, his pound-the-table players. I know he'll be really...

Mohamed Kamara goes off the board. That's that. Now, Adam Schaefter says, the Eagles are now. out to seven trades in this draft. There hasn't been a new one. He's just kind of catching up. Right. Most in the NFL and tied for their most draft day trades since 1990. And the seven that Philadelphia made last year.

Well, that's funny. I think of the year, what was it, 2011, when Howie had like 11 picks and he just kept trading down. And he had the four-four-d-round picks. They cornered the market on the seventh round. It was the Casey Matthews, Trevard. Farvard Lindley, Keenan Clayton, and Alex Henry, I think, were the fourth round picks. Interesting.

Tyler wants to know if you would have preferred Trot Jr. or Eichenberg? Boy, that's a, that's a, I don't know, you know, I'm not in value. As I would go Trotter, he's a little bit younger. Yeah. But Mount Joy in the chat. Trotter, a Julia Acapella, a poison, soy latte, electric, 10 hours. TV. We love that. And we got a Quinn. We got a Quinn and Quinn Yon Mitchell.

Yeah. What was that? I saw Mount Joy at one of those Connor Barwin things. Oh, a few years ago. Yeah. Nice. That's our guy. It's our tight end expert. Eagles have not taken a tight end yet. So yeah, they're going to have to be calling Matt Quinn for who they want to go after in undrafted for agency. As Hunter Norzad goes off the board to the chiefs of Brandon Thorne favorite, Zach, you missed Mo Kamara getting selected. Yeah, you got drafted. Oh, there you go.

Colorado State. Another one of your guys. One of your pound the tables. Yes. He's one of my guys. I have a few questions for you guys about some of these picks. You did some thinking when you were in the men's room. It was 30 seconds.

Well, I'll get to the Trotter one a bit, but let's, because I was going to ask you this before the trade-up. Anaya Smith, okay? Will Shepley comes. Cooper de Gene comes. What does this mean for Britain Covey? Do you think Britain Covey's rolling? This is a big question. You think Britain Covey's rolling, Phil?

He's in Jeopardy. I brought up last night on Twitter that DeGine, you know, had this great returnability. People were all, what do you, what do you mean? What do you mean? Is he the greatest returner in the history of sport? I mean, he's good, but he'll have to compete for his job. I mean, he doesn't really get on the field as a receiver. We'll see.

I'd be surprised if Smith and Covey are both on the roster. And the new kickoff thing might work against a little tiny guy like Britain Covey. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, we'll just have to see. I mean, it's not, Britain Covey isn't Jalen Hertz or something. You know, I mean, it's, I like the guy. He's a nice guy and he's done a better job than you thought. He was good last year.

Yeah, yeah, he was good last year. But there's no doubt that he is not guaranteed of a roster spot for sure. He's not Devin Hester or anything, you know, I mean, he's, And okay, yeah. So that was the first. What do you think? Well, I think either Smith or Covey's on the team. You know, I mean, a fifth round pick's not guaranteed to be there.

Right. But I don't think they're keeping two, five, nine wide receivers are more, help you more in the return game than in the receiving game. Yeah. When you talk about. They're both going to be at the bottom of the roster. There's a chance you could keep both. But yes.

Yeah. So you have. And they wouldn't keep them in Paris Campbell. Yes. Of course, the, the practice. squad now is like 47 people from ages you know they did you know they did the thing age he didn't make the 53 but he was on the team basically um you know maybe they do that again but i think he has enough tape from last year he might get claimed now exactly so that's all right

that that's that's that's that's that's my first question um my second question is uh i was both of this which i'm especially curious your perspective on on this less uh Jeffrey lorry's in the draft room okay and Jeffrey lorry i've heard in the past there of times like Look, he's not making the picks, but he has a lot of loyalty to, you know, guys who've played here. And sometimes, like, you know, really good stories, right? Do you think, what do you think his input is about the Jeremiah Trotter? Oh, interesting. I hadn't thought about that.

I don't know. I think he would see the complexities of this as we have outlined them, you know, that it's not a no-brainer. but I just don't think he would affect something like this. Do we believe that he affected JJ Arthago Whiteside? That was the story there. I mean, yeah, I think, yes, yes. I think it was even if he says he did not, I think it was a situation where they know who the owner's preference was.

And yeah, I think he might, it's not even that he's like putting a finger on the scale, but I think he does like the narrative of Jeremiah Chartercombe. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. I'll tell you, a JJ Othageo Whiteside anecdote. So the guy gets drafted, you call up his college coach, right? David Shaw, very well-respected Stanford coach at the time. You know, and he's telling me all about J.J. Orthago-Whiteside,

and he's telling me what a great route runner this guy is. And so I'm right, oh, a great route runner, right. And you believe this, because who am I? I mean, David Shaw. Sure, yeah. And then you watch the guy, and he needed ways to get through a, you know. That's a good lie, Les. That's a good lie.

He couldn't run a route to save his life. What the hell was David Shaw talking about? Well, he's gassing his guy up. If I ever see David Shaw, I'm going to ask him. It's on saying. Yeah. Yeah. But it's not just gassing the guy up.

I mean, he could have set a lot of great things about him without speaking up with the ball on his hand. That specific attribute, which he did not possessing the guy up. He did not possess. Yeah. That's fair. Maybe that's why David Shaw famously doesn't like to throw the ball. Yeah. Maybe he doesn't understand it very well.

What were you going to say, Zach? No, no, that's fine. Trying to think if there was a third one that I was. As you were lost in thought. As I was lost in thought. Standing up. Yeah, standing up being. That's what everybody was saying in the chat.

Oh. Steve, we need a poll on that. Are we surprised that they have not drafted an offensive lineman? Yes. Yes. Yes. Extremely so. What's the longest how he's ever gone in a draft?

Without an offensive line. Yeah. I brought my media guy here for a reason. Well, here. Let's go in recent drafts. Last year, third round, the year before that second round, the year before that second round,

the year before that fourth round, the year before that first round. So the answer is 2018. the sixth round pick, Matt Pryor. And he only had five picks that year, right? Yeah. So the year before that, 2017, he did not draft. He did not draft it.

That's right. I remember remarking about that at the time. That was a year when they took two corners. And Suamalo and Vaitai the year before. Yep. And there was a year before that, 2015, there were no offensive linemen drafted by. by Howley.

In fact, the same was true of 2014 now that I look at it. Of course, 2015 wasn't Howie. Wasn't Howie. I should hasten to add. There should be an asterisk in the media guide. So I'm not messing this up. No Howie, yeah. 2012, he got to the fifth round.

Huh, it's interesting. How long are we going today out of curiosity? Are we going through? Because if they, are we going through just their last pick? Are we going toward the end? Well, the plan was to go through the end of the sixth round. Okay. If they trade, I mean, if they had no sixth round picks, we can play it by ear.

Okay. I think I might bow out when they finish their fifth round, whatever they're doing here. I think that's understandable. That's completely understandable. I'm just kidding. Yeah, I mean, at some point here, we can go, you know, we can go through the other classes. Oh, yeah, that's a good point. That'll be good and little.

Yeah, my son was decrying the fact that, you know, Shane Daniels and Malik neighbors and, you know, they're good players. But that's the draft. I mean, you can't, you know, the other teams, especially if they're really bad, they're going to get good players. They can still screw them up, which they've done many times. What a great line in the chat from Idiot Sandwich. Only Baskin Robbins scoops more than Zach Berman.

Only Baskerrbins has more scoops than Zach Berman. That should be our next banner. Yeah. Stop. Just trying to do my job well. That's all. Well, you're doing it well. Christian Jones, who we talked about,

the tackle from Texas. We did. Goes off the board. Big fella. Again. Super chat from Bob says, Zach, Zach, Zach, Seth, Seth,

stop, stop. Come on. Zach. Zach. That's a super chat. I got to read that. I think the bits grown old. I think the bits grown old.

Well, you know that when the bit grows old, that's only when we double down. I wouldn't use wheat. Wait until you see how big the banner is on Monday. Yes. Number one, for number 155. So somebody there was asking my opinion of the Falcons picks. Okay.

And I have a friend who's a big Falcons fan. At one point, even though he lives in the Charlotte area, he had Falcons season tickets. So I was, did he drive or fly? Drove. Yeah, it's about a four and a half hour. Okay. As you probably know, your vast North Carolina experience. So I just couldn't.

resist, you know, razzing him about the two quarterbacks and the, and he was just, he was very, very upset about that. And he just doesn't have any confidence whatsoever in their front office, which is pretty well, you know, I think he's on to something there. You don't pay Kurt Cousins $100 million guaranteed that you can't get out of for at least a couple of years to draft a 24-year-old quarterback who might not be that good. I mean, I kind of like his arm, but geez, you know, I mean, it's not like he's. Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, it's a real gambit, right?

Like you're passing up on players at other positions that could make an immediate impact. But if you believe in best available player and that's the most important position, like, I get it. But if you love Michael Pennix, why did you give Kirk Cousins $100 million? Yes. Yeah. It's like they discovered that they loved Michael Pennix after they gave Kirk. Yes, it's $100 million, which is not how you want your process. And how quickly has Kirk Cousins gone to ask us speak to the manager about this?

Yeah. Oh, that was right away. His agent, who's a really good guy, Mike McCartney, was that night. It was very public about it. Yeah. What the hell was this? Yeah. Kirk was a little mad happy. Yeah.

And I saw there was a thing about, I think, Jay Gruden and, Colt McCoy were on the underdog draft show with Josh Norris and Hayden Winks. And Jay Gruden's talking about, Kirk is, Kirk is sensitive now. Like, yeah, the guy is very sensitive. Yeah. So that's, yeah. He might have.

E-Train wants to know when we can get a Zach, P.HLY, big billboard. I mean, let's get that going on 95. Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach. Our billboards for Anthony. Les, you've covered a lot of drafts. What's your craziest draft story? Ooh, good question. Well, it's taken on

or really, it's not funny anymore now, but Daniel Teo Nishime, third round pick. Yeah, that was very funny. We get him on the phone. Someone asked him what he's doing. Just lying here on the bed, looking up at the ceiling.

He's talking about just laying in bed looking at the ceiling. He was taking some time away. Yeah. Had no idea he was going to be drafted in the third round. Wasn't too far up about it and tragically died.

years ago. He was coaching high school. Yeah, in Hawaii, where he was from. Yeah, that would be right up there. Another was Lane Johnson. When Lane got drafted, Lane, like, Lane's a bit of a people pleaser.

You know, he wants to be alive. I know where you're going with this, yes. And he gets up there on this stage, and he's talking about, was it a bear that he fought or something like that? Or maybe? I don't know. With his bare hands.

He was fighting some of his bare hands, so we're all really impressed with this. So we go back to the little media room, which used to be actually in the building. And Derek Boyko, then the PR director, comes running in and says, by the way, that story about him fighting the bear, that wasn't really true. He was just trying to make up a good story for you guys. Yeah, he wrestled bears, he said. Yeah. Well, it's a good journalism lesson where, like, just because, you're just because, somebody says something you can't just you can't just write that it happened you're going to say that

they said it yes yeah yeah that's true and in that case the eagles didn't want it even said that he had said it was like no no yeah yeah that was fun i do remember that that was a very good yep yeah okay uh for the record uh steve smith the wide receiver who who uh fashions himself something of a wide receiver expert special teams expert guy knows a little bit he's a big fan of ania smith okay he likes smith's though yeah well he does he says he's a fearless competitive competitor and there's a nice little video about him fighting through contact and what he brings to the table with a ball in his hand so okay one one one supporter for nia i like that endorse i did speak to someone who i i asked him who his sleeper wide receiver was and he

said smith and i said how can a texas a nm wide receiver be a sleeper and the person said that that offense was a mess yeah yeah i was going to say i don't mean they're a big school but their offense wasn't sure yeah yeah but like when i think a sleeper i don't typically think of like someone who's playing in the SEC on Saturdays for a hundred million dollar coach, right? This is like your story of when somebody in the Eagles front office asked you who your favorite was in the draft and who did you tell them? Yeah, so. Caleb Williams.

No, this is the 2014 draft and yeah, I'm an audience with someone important. So, Zach, who do you like? And I say, I'm not a scout, you know, I'm trying. And he's like, we're just talking here. Who do you like? And I said, I said, I got to say, clown is special. And he goes on and becomes the number one pick. And then I said, and you know, I've never seen anyone due to an Alabama defense with Johnny Menzell.

And then I said, and then I said, and I covered Eugene Monroe at Virginia. And Morgan Moses is because he's going to be better than Eugene Monroe. Okay, that one's not as bad. That one's actually, I mean. Try not to be. Yeah, it's sort of true. Yeah. Yeah.

Morgan Moses is still playing. Yeah. Yeah. Eugene Monroe could have been still been playing. He had outside interests that he wanted to pursue. Yeah, he was good when he was healthy. But, yeah. No, I think he liked, he had some outside interest.

Go ahead. Oh, no, not like legal drugs, like recreational drugs, I think, right? Oh, okay. Yeah. I didn't know what the hell you were talking about there. I thought maybe he was a card deal or something. No, no, no, no, no. You're making it sound much sketchier than it is.

I could be wrong. It's not like, you know, running a sex dungeon. NFL, Eugene Monroe. I think that was part of he, I think that was part of why he retired at that time. Because that was still a big deal. Yes, yeah, you were getting tested. What a ridiculous mess.

Yeah. Yep. That's fine. You don't have to talk around it. Yeah. So, yes. So I remember saying those three things.

I told my brother this, though. And my brother's like, wait, you told him clowny? Who you like? Like, maybe this guy. trying to hire you for the front office you know he's he reads yourself he thinks you know football and you ask him and he asks you who you like and you say the number one picking the draft i mean that's like uh that's like the guy should have said marcus smith yeah yeah seriously then i could have gotten hired right is that would that have been your goal what to get hired

you're pull you're pulling a uh remember this was the omar minaya with adam ruben Yeah. Well, Chris, I mean, the late Chris Snow, a wonderful man, but he was the, he was working at the Boston Globe covering the Red Sox. Before that, he was covering the Minnesota Wild. But the Minnesota Wild, they were so impressed with him when he worked there. Or when he covered them that they hired him away to cover or to work for the Wild in their Anna Lakes Department. Nobody's ever going to do that for me, not just because I'm old, but just because I don't do this. Although I don't want to say back in your day. Okay, that's rude to say. But like there was a generation where teams would hire a former sports writer, you know.

Yeah. Ernie of course he's a former sports writer, right? Marty Herney's a former sports writer. Yeah, I was going to say Marty Hurney. Ned Colletti's a former sports writer. Yes. Right? Eddie Reed.

No, but you would go sometimes, you'd be like the sports writer and then you get hired as like the PR director for the team. Yeah. And then there weren't as many layers. So all of a sudden, you would just like make the decisions. So when Ned. Coletti was with the Cubs. Yeah. I was covering the Flyers and I would see Ned Colletti a few times a year because Sean

Dunstan was a huge Flyers fan and Ned would bring him to Flyers practice. Which is something you don't expect because Sean was not from Philly. He was from New York. Oh, that's interesting. How did they become a Flyers fan? I'd have no idea, but he liked less his coverage. Must be it. Yeah, that must be it.

Yeah. All right. So, right, one pick 165. He goes on the board at 171 and 172. Yeah. We will see if they keep these fans. I was looking at the Eagles 2014 draft. I saw your tweet.

Oh, okay. Yeah, no, keep going to repeat that. Jordan Matthews theoretically has a job as a tight end with the Panthers. We'll see if he's on the practice squad or if he actually stays. If he's out of the league, there's nobody the Eagles drafted that year who's in the NFL. Yeah. Well, I also think, and I've said this before, when you hear sometimes in, in, in, uh, around draft time.

There's like, this guy's going to play for 10 years. This guy's going to be a 10 year pro. There aren't that many 10 year pros. Yeah, exactly. So there's like five guys in this draft or in the league in 10 years. If you can make it to six years, that's pretty good. When we were talking about that 2014 draft and the safeties that the Eagles wanted,

the two big safeties that year were prior who went to the Jets and Ha Ha Ha, Clinton Dix. Yes. They were both out of the league within, what, five years? Yeah. Now, Clinton Dix actually made a program a little bit longer. But he wasn't, after that one Pro Bowl, he was like a guy you pick up off the street for the last couple years of his career. And prior had a very short, yeah, in a foreign career.

Yeah. I remember Clinton Dix at the Combine in 2014 and someone said, does anyone ever make any ha-ha jokes about your name? And you know what he said? he said they make Monica Lewinsky jokes yeah wasn't that wasn't less the one I did ask him about that and I think he might have been asked more than once yeah yeah yeah yeah so they make Monica

Lewinsky jokes but he said he didn't know you gotta think about even though this was 10 years ago this guy was like four years old when the Clinton Lewinsky thing happened it's an unbelievable name in so many ways yeah you got the ha ha so he didn't realize until he got the references people would make

And if you say it fast, it sounds like clip index. Yeah. Yeah. Which is a different thing altogether. Yes. I just remember that being a great line. He now works at Alabama, by the way. Okay.

All operation there is some kind of personnel guy. There's always like some stuff on the podium that people say, and they don't realize that it's going to like catch on. And I remember Jerry Judy. Do you remember this? Yes. Jerry Judy were a star of David, like a Jewish star. and someone said, are you Jewish?

She said, no, my name's Judy. So people call me Jew. Oh, my Lord. Yes, we had a lot of fun with that at the time. Yeah, wow. Look, I mean, it's creative, I suppose. Yeah. But in any event, those are some combine press conference memories.

There you go. While we're on hour four of the show. Crank Show legend. in his super chat says, so hyped, Dijeen and Trotter fell. How do you guys feel about the picks? I don't know if I'm sold on Shipley, to be honest. Maybe we get Rice.

There you go. Rice being Brendan Rice. Yes. Go ahead. Zach or less? No, no, less. Because we're going to be here. Yeah.

Yeah, go ahead. Well, I don't know a thing about Brendan Rice under these Jerry Rice's side of the USC. Oh, I thought they want your opinion on the picks. Oh, the picks. Okay. Is that what there is? Yeah.

Yeah. You know, I don't know anything about Shipley either. We had a spirited discussion here of the whole white running back phenomenon. Certainly, you like Dijin, and you like a Trotter in the fifth round. Like I said, I don't think you can go wrong. This is not a guy that's, you know, never played linebacker or he's not some wild swing. It's a guy who's going to play on your team, whether he's going to be a starter or not, but it's a fifth rounder. So, yeah, I'm fine with what they've done.

I still, your guy from Houston Christian, I would rather have him have been Roman Wilson. But, you know, so it goes. And I'm certainly not any kind of expert. I mean, I would agree that Shipley is the pick that I'm least excited about of this class, just in terms of the value. And I think all of this moving around, like they have done a very good job getting stuff for next year. Yes. If you looked at it coming in, they had a one, two, twos, and a fourth,

and they leave with a one, two, three, four. And, you know, the, the Hunt and Shipley duo is a little bit underwhelming relative to what you might have expected from that second, second round pick. But getting to Gene is what really changes, like how it looks. And the truth is that, like, as much as we love all of these guys in the middle of the draft and forecasting their upside, what really matters in the end. is going to be like how the top picks do,

and to get two guys who project as impact players in the secondary where they need short and long-term help, it seems like they have done well at the top, at least. So I'm higher on Shipley than you are. Tyler's asking us, do you guys think Shipley got bumped down the draft board because of defenses were able to stack the box? They had Kate Klublich and DJ. DJ you and Tyler need to have just have just a college football nerd conversation.

So I actually don't. I don't think that's why he got bumped down. I think the injury played a part in it. I heard going into the weekend, fourth, fifth round. I think that's a round where Dane had him to. And so I don't mind that pick. I mean, I like Braylon Allen more. But look, Bo, you're an age guy.

You have a 21-year-old running back who has juice. Like that, he has past catching ability. That's a good value, I think, for that type of player. I don't like, it's the production versus his teammates that bothers me. Fair. Okay. J-Ox Hunt, I don't love that pick because, as I said before you got on, I like the idea of it. I would rather that on day three. That was exactly my point. I think I've come around more on the hunt pick than you guys. I really like obviously the first two picks. The pick I'm least enthused about is Smith right now. I mean, yeah, if the fifth round pick is the one you're least excited about that, that's not bad.

I think the reality is this, though. Like, you talk about the process on day two, and I get that. I like the trade-up for the gene. I really like the process on day three because now you have a third, fourth, and fifth next year. And I thought getting draft inventory next year was important. If they had just gotten a third and a fourth, I would, like, or a third and a fifth. Yeah. I think that's good.

I think once you got the third, I didn't necessarily need to balloon down the second time and only end up with one fourth round pick. but if they didn't love anybody on the board, it's totally, totally reasonable. I, but yeah, I would have liked if that third round pick was an offensive lineman

as opposed to an edge rusher. I understand the point about Huns upside. I don't think this is going to be the last time they're going to have an opportunity to get a development, like an edge rusher, right? No, I mean,

they're probably still going to draft one early next year. Yeah, exactly. They're going to have spots to fill. Sure. I think that I don't like drafting based on need, but I did think there was a clear drop-off on the offensive line, and I thought they, I guess Zinter, but that was the first trade down, but Zinter was the one that

jumps out to me, because I think Zinter can start for you and will just be a real strong player. So that stands out. Like the lack of offensive line help jumps out, not even in terms of the top, in terms of starting lineup, but they need depth. And we always talk about day three being your chance for depth. They lost Jason Kelsey, they lost Isaac Samalu. Oh, I'm sorry, not Isaac Seymal.

They lost Sue Opeta. They did lose him, but it was a while ago now. They lost Jason Kelsey. Also lost Vita. Yeah, it's true. They lost Jason Kelsey, the loss Suo Opeta. They lost Jack Terescal. And they add Matt Hennessy.

And that's the only player they've added so far. I understand they have guys on futures deals. But I would have liked to see a little more reinforcement along the offensive line. And I am worried, you know, Bo mentioned it, and I say it all the time. The Eagles, when they look, at 2020 and they look at 2012, two years when they bottomed out, they were decimated both years because of injuries. They lost that left tackle before both seasons, right? Then they lost their, you know, they lost their right tackle during the year. Lane Johnson during 2020,

Todd Harriman's during 2012. 2012, they lost Jason Kelsey to injury. In 2020, they lose Brandon Brooks injury, right? So this is all a way of saying, like, All right, if Lane, if Lane misses time, if Jordan Mila misses time, if Leonard Dicker's like, who's stepping in here? Right. And you could, there's a school of thought that, well, of course, if your $20 million year players are absent, then your team's going to be worse.

But this is your chance to build depth there. And I thought that in this draft in particular, they could have built depth along the offensive line. That's very well said, yes. I think they've said it well. I think the thing I like about Anaya Smith is it will allow me to make oblique jokes on Twitter about Anas Nen that nobody will get. I don't even get that. Anias Nen was a writer.

Oh, yeah. Okay. Not a real famous one, I guess. Okay. I thought she was, but I guess not. If Bo doesn't know, that way for us to education. Yes. I was under the assumption.

It was a U. So it's going to be a tough one. No, no, there's no A. It's A-I-N-I-A-S. Yeah. and then Smith S-M-I-T-H Yeah, that one tracks

That's important, yes Yeah, Adam Kravitz says I don't understand how we love Stalyn And how he can turn a star And everyone, he can't do that But they draft the lineman third round last year And you're ready to give up on Steen I'm not ready to give up on Steve

Nobody's ready to give up on Steve. And I think Jeff Stalyn's great Like I put it I also don't think like Jeff Dallon can take any offensive lineman And turn him into a start Yeah, that's a fall. I hear that a lot from fans and that you know just because my lot of worked out you know most of these guys are

the eagles have great offensive lines because they draft offensive line high most of the time it's not uh that stout turns these guys into you know lane johnson was a fourth overall pick in the draft you know that dickerson heif second round pick i mean jurgens second round pick um Yeah, Robin has her back. She says Nin is famous. There we go. Okay. I think Stalin.

Noah says Nin was a naughty girl. I don't know what that means. Yeah, she wrote a lot of erotica. Oh, okay. Now we're talking. Stallon does a good job maximizing his players. You never hear of an Eagle offensive lineman who goes elsewhere and all of a sudden like turns his career around.

Right. And you have other guys who come here and they're better players here than they were elsewhere. And in fact, you have guys who leave and are disappointments. Sure. like Dillard. Dillard actually his last year or two with the Eagles, he was a useful. Sure. It'd be good to have a, maybe they can get him back.

No, actually, you had signed with Green Bay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, you know, he was a useful swing player here at least. And then he, with great expectations, he went to Tennessee and just was a disaster. Yeah. And you can even say Big V in Detroit was not what they paid for. What they hoped they were getting when they, yeah, I think Stout does make guys look yeah he gets the most out of them you're right certainly true but he doesn't just create

guys out of nowhere to uh to hailed by many critics is one of the finest writers of female erotica i'm on board yeah you like female erotica i'm in on the ania smith pick now uh uh bow said how his answer is going to be that the roster acquisition period's not over yes uh when we talked about kind of past the first wave of free agency who are players boe mentioned a name that I would, if I was Howie, I would call this week. And that's Mackay Bechton. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Who is unsigned.

He visited Cincinnati at one point. Like, this is where you say that it doesn't cost you anything, right? Bring him in, see if Stout can extract talent from someone who I think he was, what, the 14th pick in the draft. He has starting experience on the left side and the right side. That's the type of move I would make here. It doesn't cost you anything. Bring them the camp.

And I, yeah, so that's, that's, that's something I would do. Lions had- Javon Solomon going off the board, the productive pass-fresser from Troy going to Buffalo. Yeah, we had Tyler telling us, Lions had four first-round picks on the offensive line last year. Three, they drafted. Yeah, that's true. I mean, and we talked about the hit rate of, that's, that's also why we mentioned the value of, first round offensive line in relative to the other positions.

Are you laughing at it? Keep the Nintuck. coming in the chat. I'm really enjoying it. This is right up Bo's Alley. They didn't talk. Closing in on the Eagles picks now. Christian Mahogany is still on the board.

Oh, yeah, yeah. If they want a guy that they have had in for a pre-draft visit and an offensive lineman. My guy Dylan McMahon. Let's go. Bo Limmer from Arkansas. Gottlie Bajetzi, Matt Lee, C.J. Hanson, Travis Glover, who they brought in for a pre-draft visit. Do you think this is going to be a line? I don't know.

I mean, maybe they're never going to draft an offensive alignment again. Gary Greenfield. Awesome names around. So the Saints are on the clock right now. So the Eagles are next. Johnny Wilson's still out there. Johnny Wilson is still out there, true. They're not going to take another way.

Different type of player, yeah. Yeah, I mean, they do need Devonte Parker replacement. Bo loves Devonte Parker. I love how much you ate. I don't hate Devonter. nothing to you and sign for no guaranteed money. I don't hate Tamante Parker. I just,

I was under what, I mean, we did a podcast after every single free agent signing. I have to give a reaction. I'm overwhelmed by the signing and all of a sudden I hate the guy. He had that, keep coming back to the game against the Eagles. Yeah.

I always remember that. It was like, good Lord. Yes. Everybody's saying the offseason plan for Zach is, you got to finally watch Barbie and then maybe we'll do an Neas Nin book club episode. Yeah, yeah.

I'll pass on that. We'll have less. We'll have you in for that. I don't even know that I've ever read much that she's done. I just know who she is. Okay. Eagles are on the clock. All right.

We're back-to-back picks. Nin, nin, nin, nin, nin. You think they're going to make them both? No. But I also think the Eagles haven't been as interested in like, in accumulating seven-th-round picks. Yeah. Yeah, they would rather work the undrafted free agent market at that point.

You can manipulate in terms of, in terms of bonuses. So, yeah, I could actually see them taking both. The, I would take Mahogany. Again, Les made a great point earlier where we were at the biggest information deficit in the draft is with the injury grades or the injury marks. Like, I guess we're at an information deficit in terms of like the scheme and the assignments and that kind of thing. but I would say you never really know about the injury situation. Will it be Brendan Rice, will it be Jahim Bell, will it be Gary, Granfield, Bo, Limber, Nathan Thomas, Matt Lee, C.J. Hansen, Cedric Johnson, Gabe Hall, Curtis, Jacobs. Jets traded up to number 171. There you go.

There you go. Okay. any of those bubby the eagles get 185 and 190 uh oh nice love that but they still have 170 uh 172 yeah they still have 172 bum bum bum bum now what round is 185 in help me out here uh that'll be the sixth okay yes 172 here is the back end yes yes it is the there we go less after this pick you can be off the hook. How about that? 185 and 190 seems like fine business.

Yeah. And the jets are using it to select Jordan Travis. Oh. Is it? It's Jordan Travis. Not Travis Jordan. Are you sure? Yeah.

I feel like we're holding less hostage today. So that's eight trades for Howie in this draft. He sets his new record. Yeah. After a slow start. Yeah. He's getting his fix. Yeah.

Crank Show legend Super Chat wants to know do you think they trade Darius Slay next year Is this the last year of his uh I think it's the last year of guaranteed money Yeah, and so I don't think it's a trade I think he's just released next year Yeah yeah I agree uh but yes I mean that's that's part of the Waterfall effect of doubling down on on corner is that it allows you to be able to move on from from dearest slay next year most likely yeah and are we expecting Bradbury to be a post-June first cut in this point. I am. Yeah, me too. Are you? Yeah, you don't think they'll bring him to camp?

Because that was your, oh yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, no, I actually, I would still bring them. But if you look at the list of corners they have right now, it's a long list. Yeah. I don't see how they can possibly, I mean, it's a long list and there's nobody on there that you're not, other than Avanti Maddox, you know, everybody else is somebody you expect to see on the team. I don't know if like a Job or, you know, or those guys are. Yeah. Yeah.

Even a Ricks, yeah. Yeah. But they're also guys who need reps. And that's part of why I think that they probably will just move on from Bradbury. But you can get to like eight or nine without even getting to Job or Ricks. It was my true. You know, it's unbelievable.

So the one thing with Zay Rogers and even Tyler Hall. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The one thing I would say with the gene is like you can keep one fewer safety, I think, and kind of have him as your backup safety. But no, that's a valid point.

I'm curious with Bradbury. Look, we documented this from the Eagles perspective when the Giants kind of kept him hostage, right? After the draft, the Giants were trying to trade him. They cut him late. It hurt Bradbury's market. Bradbury's in a different situation now than he was then, sure. But the Eagles could, like the Eagles could say,

look, they don't save anything right now by cutting him. they could designate a post June 1st or they could they could you know wait this out see what happens in camp like maybe there's an injuring camp and someone wants to trade a trade or and trade Bradbury maybe Vic Fangio sees him in OTAs and it's like you know what I can work with this right right there's um and there's that weird thing with Bradbury I mean I know he looked like he was done last year but he has this weird thing I'm sure you guys have talked about it where he tends to have a good year and a bad year and a good year Eagles are taking Michigan Guard Travis Keegan finally an offensive lineman Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach. Travis Kagan should run on Travis's right now. Got their, uh, got there, uh, Michigan man. Who's got it better than us, Zach? Nobody!

It's actually Trevor Kagan. Oh, sorry. Trevor Kagan. Oh, okay. The other guy was Travis. Yes, sorry. Uh, 6-5-3-10 Trevor Kegan, who has an older sister. grew up in Crystal Lake, Illinois. will turn 24 in August, started for three full years for the Michigan Wolverines,

mostly at left guard. In fact, 36 of his 37 starts at left guard, but one start at left tackle. And he's got solid hands, 10 inches, short arms, 32, and 3 eighths, ran a 524 40-yard dash. So you would think that he's a bit of a platter. but his jumps are not terrible. 30 and a half inches 811 on the broad jump. The full scouting report, the overall summary from Dean Bruegler says

a three-year starter at Michigan. Keegan was a main stay at left guard in Jim Harbaugh's power spread offense after almost transferring early in his time at Ann Arbor because of a lack of playing time. He was a key cog in the Wolverines' offensive line success and earned all Big Ten honors in each of his three seasons as a starter.

Keegan is an experienced, well-schooled player who has gotten more consistent fitting blocks with experience. Although he works hard to fire off the snap and mirror, he lacks the bend and lower body agility that most teams desire in a future starter. Overall, Keegan is an average athlete and lacks a truly distinguishing trait, but he is a physical blue collar blocker who made steady improvements as a senior that gives scouts optimism.

He will have a chance to earn his keep as a depth piece in the NFL. NFL, a sixth round grade. Okay. Yeah. Look, there's other guys in that Michigan line who got more attention, right? Zinter being among them, right? Kagan is, you know, they had Lerius Henderson, but Kagan, you can't argue with 37 starts for the national champions.

They get their streak alive of drafting guys from national champions. Yeah, you can't argue with 37 starts for the national champions. No, you can't argue the three-year starter. At the first of the fifth, sure. A first team, all-Bit 10 guy in 2022, won the Joe Moore Award. So I think, yeah. You remember what Todd Harriman said about the short arms thing? I don't.

He said, I've never had trouble like feeding myself. Yeah. Yeah, that was Harriman's big knock. He could play. He was an excellent guard. And he could go out. tackle. They could put him at tackle. He got the job done. No doubt about it. Short arms and all. All right. Trevor. Trevor. All right, Les.

Well, I guess I'm done here. Yes. You've done a great job. Thank you so much for taking your time with us. Yeah, this was really intriguing with how he's trade-a-thon. It's confusing. You're absolutely right that he has set himself up well for next year. Yep. And what he's done this year, we'll just have to see. Certainly he has these last few picks check some boxes that we were waiting to see checked with linebacker and an offensive line. And I think the focus of the draft early was where it needed to be. That secondary was horrendous. And they really need to make long-term investments there. They can't just keep finding free agents and stuff like that. So yeah, I think it's an interesting day, a good draft overall, and something they'll give us with the Trotter story. And,

Absolutely. Some other things will just have an awful lot to mull as we get closer to the season. Love that. We look forward to reading what you're going to write tomorrow off of Howie tonight. And we hope to see you again soon. I hope you will. This was great. Thank you.

Look forward to your cones. Zach. Zach. Zach. Zach. Zach. Zach. Zach.

Less, less, less, less, less. All right. Good stuff. Thanks, guys. Thank you very much. Take care. You too. All right, Zach.

So five years in a row now where the Eagles select a player from the national champion. Yes. Candid Walwals. Landed Dickerson. Jordan Davis. N'Cobo Dean. Keeley Ringo. Well, no.

Then Jalen Carter, Keeley Ringo, and now Trevor. Nolan Smith. And Nolan Smith, yep. Yes. That's a lot of them. All right. Well, at some point now, we can move on and. Kim, if I said.

Travis. I meant Trevor. Duffy. Well, did you tweet it right? I corrected myself. I get it. Oh, that's okay. Still. You broke it?

I got the name wrong. Always spell the name correctly. Well, that's for sure. What am I moving? You can move wherever you want to move. I'm trying to figure out what Mike is, which one, because apparently the color coordination isn't enough for me, and I need, like. I had to move it because, yeah.

I think, really, really. all I'm getting out of this is I'm an idiot. No, I don't say that. Continue with what you're doing. We're going to hear from Fran Duffy in a little bit. He's going to call in, Tyler. So he's curious what he thinks of Keegan. Trot?

I think Fran likes a trot, if I remember correctly. Adam Schepter is all over this. Eagles have made eight trades, which is setting a record. He's really blown away. You want to wear? That's good information for Adam to look up. Good stuff. Very specific.

Yes. Okay. Keegan Trevor. Good pick. Yeah. You're going to let me get away with that? What? Keegan Trevor.

Oh, sorry. I can't if I got the name wrong. That's okay. My brain is fried, man. We've been got, this is like, yeah, I understand talk radio. I said this the other day.

I understand talk radio hosts you're on all day, every day, but there's breaks in that. right we got no breaks um you just do the same segments every 15 minutes right do you want to do a little spin around the nfc east yeah let's say well do we have time yeah we have we can start and then when frank gets on well we'll we'll we'll we'll pivot let's why don't we start with the uh just the nfl draft the nfl dot com draft checker is just crawling where they don't have enough money to upgrade their servers at the nfl maybe it's all the tabs you have open. It's not. I've diminished

the tabs for this weekend. Okay. You want me to do it? Because my tabs are, here you go. New York Giants. We'll start the New York football Giants. First round. You would start with them. Number six overall, Malik, neighbors. Love him. Terrified.

Okay. Number the second round, number 47 overall, Tyler Nubin, safety, Minnesota. Yeah, I like a Nubin. Not the most physical player, but a good instinct ball skills free safety type like a nubin. Was he the top safety?

For me or for no consensus? Well, oh, drafted, I believe there was one more drafted ahead of him. I could be wrong. Okay. I think Bullock might have gone. Am I wrong about that? No, no. No, Book was one of the most trades.

Yeah. Third round. Rohee wants us to crack open the beers. I mean, listen, sixth rounds might be time. Third round, number 70 overall, Andrew Phillips. You hate Andrew Phillips. I hate Andrew Phillips. You're wearing his colors.

Yeah. Do you like the vest? I got, I got, sorry, nothing. What? What? Let's hear it. You got what?

My shoes are kind of coordinated with the vest today. Oh, you want to show the shoes? You're excited about that? You like that? Yeah, you do look like a Kentucky booster. Kentucky booster? I'm trying to look, you know, look good, feel good play. You've got a more varied vest game than anyone I know.

that I can say. Look good, feel good, play good, right? Although they should say look good, feel good, play well, or feel well, play, play, play, play, play, good. Okay. No, I would like more ball production from Phillips for someone who gets all that. Okay. Number, in the fourth round, Theo Johnson, the Canadian. Very athletic.

Penn State or right here. What do we think of a Theo Johnson, Tyler? So it's kind of funny. I texted a buddy the other day and I said, one team is going to get, Theo Johnson is going to make a team very happy. And I think that Theo Johnson is one of those type of guys that will be a better NFL player than he is a college player. Because I think he was used as more of like, at times as an hback type of-jave-Frank. James Franklin messed up again. Well, I mean, there's nothing new there. But I think he was used as kind of an h-back, a super utility guy. And I think this, he's not a

traditional hand-in-the-turf type of tight end, but he is to me more of like a flex-out wide in the slot type of tight end. And I think his really strong athletic ability is going to carry over into the NFL where he's going to be allowed to be out in space and to make plays. Now, obviously, of course, everybody's faster in the NFL than they are in college. But I think he is a really good athlete who will transition well to becoming an NFL kind of jackknife type of guy. And I think that him being called a tight end is just nominally speaking because he has to have a

position. I think he's more of, you know, use him all over the field type of weapon type of player. That's a good analysis. I like that. We should put you in this seat here. Yeah, there we go. Very athletic. Yeah.

Love some maple syrup. Is it generalization about Canada? Okay. Super nice guy. And then the fifth round, 166 overall they took Tyrone Tracy running back out of Purdue, who was probably more when the team was founded, right? Older guy. Yeah, he's an older guy, but he's an interest.

I'm more interested in him than I am in Ray Davis as the other guys, because he's a wide receiver convert. Gotcha. Who has only spent one year at running back and offers a little bit something different. Honestly, like a Rahim Moster profile. So, interesting guy. As a generalization of that class, I mean, that's a lot of weapons. It's like trying to do a lot of work to help out Daniel Jones.

I don't know that they're going to be happy with the results there, but they're adding the best player in the division, I would say. Interesting. Yeah, I would agree with that. Yeah. I'll agree. By the way, someone says, Zach's missing Cooper's press conference.

Yes, I know. Cooper DeGine has a press conference right now. I am not there. You can't do everything. Can't be everywhere. The nature of this job, my primary responsibility is the show during the season. We were able to navigate times around. You have nothing to apologize to you or even explain.

I mean, I would love. to be there sitting there talking to Cooper the Gine right now. Well, you're doing the show. Doing the show. Yeah. So then, okay. So Washington commanders,

we're going to go geographically, okay? First round, number two overall, Jaden Daniels. Okay? That's their quarterback of the future,

right there. Okay? Three second round picks for the commanders. Number 36 overall, Johnny Newton, who I like. I like Johnny Newton.

quite a bit. Number 18 or I'm sorry, number 50 overall. They have the 50-53. They made the pick the trade with the Eagles, the Cooper de Gene pick. So they have these two picks. Good point.

Good point. Mikey Sanrystill, my favorite player in the draft. Yeah. He's going to be, I mean, good luck to Paris Campbell. Good luck to Anaya Smith.

Good luck to Britain Covey. I mean, good luck because Mikey Sanderson still was going to make your day a living hell. Good luck to my. Nike Sanarstall against Devante Smith. I mean, the Santerstil, he plays,

he plays his butt off. At number 53, your boy, Ben Sinette. Yeah, Ben Sinnet. Love Ben Sinnet, but,

I mean, that's a little rich. Yeah. 53. Third round, 67, Brandon Coleman. Guy Eagles like,

they brought him in here, guard tackle versus Taylor. Yep. 100 overall. Luke McCaffrey, not Christian, Luke McCaffrey. Yeah, reach.

Reach. Number 139, the fourth round. Oh, I'm sorry, in the fifth round. Jordan McGee, Temple linebacker, local band. I don't like a Jordan McGee. Yeah, in that group, he's fine. In the fifth round, also, Dominique Hampton, the safety from Washington. I think they added a lot to make their team better.

I mean, it's a bad roster. But I would also say, if you told me you had the second overall pick and three second round picks, I'm a little bit underwhelmed with what they came away with. I mean, this is a nice deep class that I would feel good about, but I'm not so sure it's like totally overhauling the roster. Yeah. With top end talent. I mean, look, if Daniels is a stud.

Yeah, that's what matters. That's what matters. I think they could have gone. I don't like, as much as I like Mikey Sanders still, I think 15 and 53, they could have navigated that a little different. I don't love spending 50 and 53 on a, on a slot corner and then a tight end who is like to me is like a rotational tight end not at top of the lineup tight end top of the fire now now the cowboys have taken keel and carson my guy

okay so you want to do it sure okay uh Tyler guiding in the first round that 29 Marshawn nieland in the second round who you and i are both kind of sour on Neon. Yes. Cooper Beebe in the third round. Marist Leifau from Notre Dame, the linebacker in round three. And then Kaelin Carson just now, not a ton of picks for the Cowboys, nothing super super high. I think they'll be happy with Guyton. I like Guyton, but I also think that, hey, Tyler, is the is the line open for Fran to call in?

I think he's trying to get on. But I feel like this is an underwhelming class as a whole. Yeah, I would agree with that. there. Excuse me. I thought they were going to take a running back at some point. Not saying they need the force for running back, but I mean, I would have used number 87.

I thought there's some good running backs on the board there. I would have used that pick on a back. Yeah. Instead of like an athletically limited linebacker. I like it, Carson. Here we go. We got Fran. I think we got him whenever you're done talking about the Cowboys.

I would rather hear Fran. about anything. I mean to talk about anything. So let's start. Let's start with Sit to P. You ever sit to pee? Yeah, I'm definitely Team Bo in that conversation. Fran, you thought you're a football guy.

Well, why does being a football guy have to do with it? That's not part of the issue of the conversation. It's so inefficient. It's so inefficient, right? It's like, no, it's not. You can get something on your phone. You're grinding less film. not if you're watching film on your phone

you're watching your phone on your pee sometimes yeah think about how many articles you can be reading what's that you're especially you're a curb guy Zach think of all the time you've wasted in your life how much more stuff

you can get done I mean yeah I'm reading but I mean when I'm when I'm peeing I mean we're not it's not taking that long right I mean you bring it out I don't know

We're spending too much time this conversation. I don't guess dispersions. Okay. Fran, let's talk about this. We've got several picks since we last spoke to you.

We haven't gotten your thoughts on Jalick's Hunt, so we can do that as well. But the day three hall so far, Will Shipley, Ania Smith, Jeremiah Trotter Jr., Trevor Keegan from Michigan. I'm happy to hear your thoughts

on all these guys. But why don't we start with who is like relative to the value, the one that you are most excited that you were most happy to see come off the board. Yeah, I would say the probably, I'm the most exciting one is certainly Jeremiah Trotter Jr. Right.

I mean, this is a guy to me that obviously has been on the radar for a long time, not just here in Philadelphia. He was a big time recruit, you know, coming from St. Joe's Prep and going to Clemson. I remember talking to Clemson linebackers the year after, after Trotter's freshman season and just asking the open-ended question at the combine, just saying like, hey, who's a young guy coming up that you're excited about?

and those guys all saying like, yeah, like Jeremiah Truder is, Jeremiah Trotter is going to be the real deal. And you could see the way that he plays, how fast he sees things, the leadership traits, everything you saw as such a young age, all really kind of came to manifest itself as he continued to age and progress in that Clemson defense. And so, you know, to me, looking at Jeremiah Trotter Jr., he's outstanding playing in the box,

plays downhill at a really high level. He sees things really, really fast. Just a fun player to study. And he could play sideline to sideline. He's a little bit smaller than his dad was, certainly. That prototype of Trotter Senior is not really what you see. And behind. Yeah, he's a little bit different.

But I think when you look at his ability to play downhill, find the football through contact, he's been one of the most productive linebackers in college football over the course of his career, not just in the run game, but in the past game. I got a couple pick sixes to his name. He's been really good at being able to find the football in coverage. So I'm excited. To me, Trotter Jr. was a guy that I had a lot of juice for when the selection was announced. Do you think the Nacobi Dean Comp is fair?

Yeah, I think it's fair. You know, it's similar. Look, Nicobi went in the third round and Trotter went in the fifth round, right? So a little bit different. But I think when you look at the overall skill set, they are similar types of players, you know, just in terms of like the body type. and the skill set. But that's a good thing. You know, both guys, obviously,

that worked well in the college level, and now it's about continuing to transition that here to the league. I wanted to ask about a player they took yesterday, right? I know we're focusing on the players today, but I'd be remiss if I did not ask you about J.OX-Hon. And the reason I do that is I'm being totally transparent. Like, I do a lot of work on this stuff. I don't watch a lot of Houston Christian, right?

And the people who are... It's Christian Houston. It's Houston Christian. unlike Christian Ellis, right? Don't let's know what? Yeah. So I've watched YouTube clips, even those are not very productive for me. You know, you're not getting great camera shots.

I saw some Senior Bowl stuff. This is a long way of saying, what stands out to you about J.OX Hunt? Well, the big thing, right off the bat, you see the athleticism. And, you know, I didn't know a ton about the backstory. when I first went in. He got announced initially for the Shrine Bowl. He was the first announcement for the Shrine Bowl back. And I want to say it was early November, late October,

or something around that range. And I didn't know much about him. And so, all right, let's plug in the Houston Christian film. And watched a couple games. And I said, oh, he's a Cornell transfer. And I know some people over on the Cornell staff and reached out to a couple of them and said, all right, like, well, can you tell me about Jailix Hunt? And he said, oh, well, when he was here, he was actually a safety.

And I was like, well, you know, I had no idea. Because in the bio, I just said, oh, he transferred from Cornell. I said, okay, like this is starting to add up now. You could see the movement skills. And I didn't have exact measurements on him at this point, but you go down to the senior ball and you say, okay, he's just under 6 foot four. He's 252 pounds.

And he's got 34 and a quarter inch arms. So I'm a big fan of the guys that, you know, have outstanding length relative to their height. So he is a guy who is longer than he is tall. And one of the things I like about that is that you've got a smaller strike zone for opposing blockers to get into you. but then you've got the length to be able to kind of keep them at bay as well. Dallas Turner has that similar kind of body type.

There have been a lot of guys that I've been big fans of as they've come out the last few years that have that kind of body type. And so when you look at Jalick's Hunt, the movement skills absolutely stand out. Does he need refinement? Absolutely. I mean, he's only been playing down close to the line of scrimmage for the last couple of years. And so he's going to need some coaching. There's no question.

But when you look at the explosiveness, you look at the lengths, you look at the motor, you look at the violence as a tackler, some huge hits on the, quarterback high motor plays down the field uh everything you hear about him as a kid is just outstanding i know in talking with some people over the course of the pre draft process as well uh the air the training facility where he had been working at he's a guy that all the other players that are there they all kind of gravitate towards him he's like everybody's best friend and you can kind of see that at the combine too um you know when the uh the past rushers were meeting the media you know he's one of the guys and and zach i know that you've been a sucker for these guys in the past they'll jump into the media scrums

and say like, oh, like, you know, pretend they're asking questions with the media and not hijack the presser, but you got a sense of like the personality. And Jalick's Hunt, you know, to me, like just kind of checked a lot of boxes along the way. He's a really fun player. Obviously, a lot of work, a lot of development required, but he's going to be a fun one to track. I try to do that in football drills. It doesn't go as well with the players. That's okay.

Hey, Fran, did Cornell ever consider making him an edge? Well, here's the thing. So I caught up with the Eagles director of scouting Brandon Brown last. and we were talking through, we were talking through Jalix and we say, hey, you know, like, what's the, you know, just the development there. He said, when he was a freshman in high school, he was five foot five. So like you talk about like a late bloomer. He was built like a defensive back when he, when he got to Cornell and was just continued

to grow and to grow and to grow. So he, I think he was like in the six three range when he was there. And basically the way they asked him to play in that defense was you're going to come down. You're going to roll down into the intermediate. part of the field, just go find the football, like just run and find the football. And as he continued to grow, he said, oh, like, I might be able to continue to develop physically. Maybe we'll, you know, see what I can turn into. He entered the portal and ended up going down to Houston Christian, and they turned him into a full-time edge. And so I think it was more just a physical development

thing as he continued. He was very much a late bloomer physically. We spend so much time waiting and talking on the show about the Eagles taking an offensive lineman. And that finally came with their most recent pick, Trevor Keegan. I have watched a lot of Michigan. He was not the headliner on the line of scrimmage for them, but he was a big time starter for them. What's your view on Trevor Keegan? Yeah, this is a guy that started 37 games for them over the last few years. And he's primarily been a left guard, but he did start his career at the left tackle position as well. I know that the feeling with him is that he's got four position flexibility. And while he's been mostly on the left side that in the off season he's been working a little bit more on the

right. This has been a very accomplished, effective player in pass protection. This is the offensive line that he was a starter on that won the Joe Moore Award two straight seasons, 2021 and 2022. And then obviously they win the national title. They were a Joe Moore Award finalist a year ago. And so Trevor Keegan has been a key cog of one of the best offensive lines in football, a pro-style offense where he's going to put his hand in the dirt, he can come off the ball. He's going to execute all of the different blocking schemes that it's going to be required here in the in the eagles offense whether you're talking like gap scheme stuff zone scheme stuff he was asked to do all of it and that position flex is something that is very important not just here in philly with with jeff

stoutland but for most NFL teams you're looking for guys especially at this point in the draft that you know they can they can fill in at guard they can fill in at tackle and that's going to be a ticket to try and make it to the roster the eagles enter the day with three fourth round picks they end up only one of them, and that is on Will Shipley, the Clemson running back. You like that he's young. You wish that maybe there was a little bit more productivity relative to his teammates, but he's offering sort of a versatile skill set. What can you tell us about Mr. Shipley?

Yeah, that offense, Bo kind of fell off a little bit. It's been, you know, he had a true freshman quarterback this past year, inconsistency at the quarterback position in the previous season in 2022. And so that offense just really hasn't got a chance to get humming, really since Trevor Lawrence left in that group, that offense where they were competing for national titles. And so I think that's part of why we've seen Shipley's productivity not really be that level that we were expecting when he first got there because he was a big time recruit. He was a four or five star kid when he first got there.

But to me, the best flashes with him have always come as a receiver. He's an outstanding route runner out of the backfield, one of the best Texas route runners that I've seen at the position in the last couple of years. Really soft hands was used around the formation. The screen game is really good with him. So I think you can be creative with him in the past game. And then in the run game, I mean, excellent on like the, anything where you're kind of giving him a runway and keeping him in space. So all like the draws and some of the perimeter plays,

he's not, he's quicker than fast. He's not like an explosive guy that's always going to get to the corner as fast as possible. But I think when you get him in space, he's got excellent vision. And that was one thing I noted numerous times while watching him is that he's a guy that when you get into the open field, some guys are looking for, right, where's the next defender? I do who I have to make miss. other guys are looking for green grass and he's a guy who has a really good sense of kind of seeing the

forest through the trees looking for green grass as opposed to looking for that first defender it's how do I get into the open field and try and create an explosive play so he also has return chops as well so that that's obviously going to be very important for him moving forward and trying to stick to an NFL roster is just having that skill set in his back in a loaded wide receiver direct class the the wide receiver that the Eagles take is a naius Smith from Texas A&M. You spoke about Shipley and his ability to, you know, be a pass catcher. I know Smith isn't kind of like your traditional ex-receiver.

What stands out about Smith when you watch him? Yeah, I think if you're looking like body typewise, he's built like OZ. He's built like Alameday Zakias when Zakias was coming out at Virginia. I remember Zakeas, he dabbled as a running back receiver there at UVA. And Anais did the, Anias did the same thing at A&M. He played some running back back in the 12. 2020 season. I remember some of the sets that they had with him and Devon A. Chan, who obviously was outstanding from Miami a year ago as a rookie. When you look at Anaya Smith, he has been one of the

most versatile players in college football over the last few years, both as a runner, as a pass catcher. And then also as a return man, he's got a couple punt return touchdowns on his resume. He's also been a starter on kick return. So he offers some value in both of those special teams units. But with the ball in his hands, that's where things are really exciting. He transitions to a runner really quickly. He's extremely competitive, a tough player to get down to the ground. I thought he showed some excellent flashes as a route runner, especially this past season. I thought he really took a jump there.

And, you know, it's funny. I heard Jim Nagy do an interview this offseason, just talking about receivers. And he said, you know, if you want to see a guy that's kind of viewed as a route runner and you say, all right, what can his upside be? One thing you can do is look at him with the ball in his hands. And guys that typically are good yards after catch players have upside as a return. Because you can see them make those same kind of lateral cuts that ability to make you miss. That can transition to, you know, kind of routing a guy up, routing a defender up one on one.

And I think you see that with Anaya Smith. And so you're talking about a guy that's got quickness in and out of breaks. He offers yak ability upside as a route runner. He didn't put the ball on the ground often at all this past season. He was really, really reliable at the catch point. It was used at all three levels of the field. It wasn't just the underneath stuff. He also had the ability to make an impact down the field.

And so, you know, yes, he's a little bit on the smaller side. And I think when he ran 4-5-5 in Indianapolis at the Combine, sorry, that's going to kind of cement him in that day three range. But for in terms of being like a slot receiver, he's got a skill set you're looking for because of that toughness, because of that quickness, the reliability at the catchpoint and the yak stuff, the special teams, like, you just feel, okay, you feel good about wide receiver four, you know, in an offense with the ability to turn into a wide receiver three. That's kind of how I viewed a nice

Smith. Let me ask you something Fran, since we've been talking about the offensive line. It feels like Tyler Steen has been like the guy that we've been focused on. What was your report on Tyler Steen last year? And how do you feel about him moving forward? Yeah, I think that look, when I looked at

Tyler Steen a year ago, if I remember, it was only a couple years as a starter at Alabama. And I liked him. I thought that he could be he had starting potential in the NFL, making the transition to guard, especially for a guy that had been a left tackle to say, okay, well, now we're going to let's see you here at right guard. To see him do that last summer and get a lot of quality reps at right guard, I thought was really

important for him, you know, and I think that you can get growing pains there when you are asked to make that transition. So, you know, we only got a small sample size in game from, from Tyler Steen last year. But I thought especially in the run game, we saw some really good flashes from him through the summer. And so I'm excited to see what he can look like here in year two. Obviously, he's going to be in line to compete there for reps. with Cam Juergen sliding into center. So I'm excited to see what Tyler Steen can bring to the table. Eagles now about four, five picks away.

You want to hang with us for this one, Fran? Yeah, well, let's do it. We did it yesterday. Might as well. Might as well. How do you feel coming away with the double of Quignan Mitchell and Cooper DeGene and how much that can change the shape of the secondary? Yeah, I mean, these are two of my favorite corners in the draft.

Really, my two favorite corners in the draft, to two of my favorite players overall. And so, yeah, very exciting when you see both guys add in. Because, you know, when you have those guys kind of bunched together, naturally, as you're going, you're like, all right, like, who do I like more? And, you know, you found yourself, I found myself kind of having that, that argument with myself, where it was like, all right, like, I kind of like DeGine Moore for this, but I also really like Quignan.

I don't know who I like more. So to just come away with both is outstanding. So I think when you look at Quinyan, we talked about him yesterday, everything that he brings to the table from the competitiveness to ask point, the speed. toughness and instincts. Axiom that Baltimore, the Ravens and Ozzie Newsom, they made famous in scouting. We just want to focus in on speed, toughness, and instincts. That's what both of these guys bring. You know, it's a slightly different package. You know, obviously Dijin is a little bit thicker, a little bit bigger as a corner. But I think when you look at both guys, you're looking

at speed, you're looking at toughness, you're looking at instincts. Dejean offers a little bit more in terms of the versatility aspect. But I love what both players bring to the table. These are two really interesting additions to the secondary. Quantes Stiggers and Darius Muisow going off the board. So the Eagles now two picks away as we wait to see what they do. Is there anybody in your radar who you're like crossing your fingers kind of hoping for? Maybe offensive line, another offensive lineman available or I don't even know what else, what else they would need at this point?

Maybe a defensive tackle. Yeah, there are a few. It's been, honestly, it's been tough for me to track it. Join me on with you guys. So I'm not sure all right. Yeah, McMans. McMan's an athletic guard on the interior. I know who's played some center as well.

He's an interesting name. I'm trying to see who are the more recent guys. I know you just said Quantis Stiggers went off. He's one of the more interesting stories in the class coming from the CFL. I got to believe he's the first CFL player to ever be drafted in the NFL draft. I got to think that would be the case. I feel like there was one. Who was the guy from, it was a safety from a couple years ago.

I feel like I don't know there was some CFL He started at West Virginia And then went to CFOs Yeah Oh Robinson I feel like there was a guy Anyway

Satoa La Maya also went recently If that's Walter Rouse Yeah I mean Fran was sitting right here When I was talking up Walter Rouse Yes Yeah Beau

Bo was anti people who work in hospitals Apparently So Yeah I love people who work in hospitals I'm grateful for them every single day, I think

they should stay in hospitals and not get on the football field. Yeah, because you can't be multi-in. You can't have different interests. You want, you know, this caveman playing football. Do you know how much time it takes to become a doctor or a nurse and all the studying? That's time away from ball, man. You don't love the game.

Sometimes that helps because it's like the Shippley family. The Shippley family, they didn't believe in specialization, right? You played every sport, you know? So he wasn't just on the football field. He's on in the cross field. He was doing all kinds of things. Bo and I have been going at it about Will Shipley.

I think Bo typecasted Will Shipley, if I'm being honest with you. I, that's all the same. I mean, if you follow recruiting, you knew Will Shipley coming up through high school. And I've said this. And I know Fran follows recruiting as I do, that running back, I think, is a position where the recruiting rankings actually carry more validity than some of the other spots. I see that translating to the N. NFL more than other sports. Typically, the five-star running backs tend to be, you know,

good NFL pros. I got to say the least shocking thing I've heard all weekend is the fact that you guys had a Will Shipley discussion and you were Zach were pro Will Shipley and Bo was anti-Wil Shipley. So that is the least shocking thing that I've heard all week. I like that he's young. I like that he's young. He's a nice player. And I think when you look at the impact that he can have and that's the big part is that when you're looking at running backs, especially when you get to day three of draft it's okay like you you want everybody to have three down upside but the reality is that at that

position it's rare that you see guys that are going to come in and and have that that kind of an impact especially you know with that frame but can you come in and be an X factor in one area and I think Shipley has that in terms of what he can do as a pass catcher and then also with what he's done as a return man as well I think that's going to be really valuable for him I asked Nick this yesterday Nick Siriani I'm the stick with the first name thing um you know I'm I hope I'm not be laboring this point, but I think it is this, I think it is relevant this offseason, the new kickoff rules. And Nick said it's one of those things that in the preseason, they're not even going to show anything. Like in the Brazil game, they're going to come out

with stuff that you haven't seen. But the Eagles have added three guys in this draft, Cooper DeGine, Will Shipley, Ania Smith, who are all, we're all prolific returners, right? I mean, Britt and Covey was a real productive returner. I'm not necessarily asking you, like, who the best returner is, but what's the type of returner that you think will be returning kickoffs and how is it compared to what it's been in the past? Well, I've had a lot of fun listening to people that were with the XFL over the course of the last few months because the XFL had those rules in place. So listening to Eric Galco, who's the director of the Shrine Bowl, listening to Randy Mueller over at the athletic. He's been a general

manager. He was a general manager in the athlete with the with the XFL. So just seeing people that have been in the Saints draft this year. Yeah, all right. Well, it's been fun, though, to hear like, all right, these are the differences from a roster management standpoint. You're going on the club, by the way. From a skill set standpoint. No, all good. But it seemed like what those guys were pointing to was that smaller bodies on the return unit, but then also as a returner, more of a running back skill set. And so, like, thicker guys, guys that have the ability to run through contact, it's not as much a space play as much as, hey, you know, you're going to, you're going to have to face some traffic. you've got to be able to navigate through some tight creases. That's going to be fun to watch.

We go up to the super chat, Tyler, because we have a specific question for Fran from Vince, who wants to know what you think of Fabian Lovett. And Zach, feel free to jump in if you have the scoop here. He's an old guy. I'll say that. But go on. Yeah, he's been at Florida State for a few years now. And so I think when you look at Lovett, you know, he's 6'4, just a 35 and a half inch arm,

outstanding length, kind of your prototypical nose tackle. The production has not been there. never more than two sacks in a season. But I think when you look at just the skill set there, he's a pure kind of a throwback nose tackle in that way, six four, three hundred sixteen pounds. I mentioned the length. So I think that's the skill set, though.

You're looking at kind of a throwback nose tackle. Malika Washington going to the Dolphins, one of my guys at wide receiver. That'll be interesting. I'm curious to see what they do here. You know, do they go get another offensive line body? Somebody for depth. There you go, Johnny Wilson, a wide receiver tight-end hybrid.

Brendan Rice, the two guys who they also have brought in for visits. Tight ends is the spot that they haven't addressed. What's that board look like? You're not, it's not looking great. It's Tanner McLaughlin, the really old guy from Arizona, who was actually like my favorite guy to watch from like a, just fun, but he's like almost 26. Uh, Jehiel, Dallon Holker, and Brevin Span Ford,

who is a big honking guy from Minnesota, but also an old. An old. Yeah. So, there you go. Uh, on defense. even like there's not much a tackle Cedric Johnson

Eric Watts actually who you talked about yesterday France still on the board I believe yeah it doesn't like completely surprise me that he has not gone yet but I thought that he might get some love in the third round so I mean

I can't imagine it'll be too much longer for him here on the board but we'll see and then what's the defensive tackle board look like? Well that's what I was just saying Watson if you consider him there Gabe Hall

Tyler Davis Christian Boyd pick his in Leonard Taylor you've talked about Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-l. Will it be? Will it be? I don't know if you got predictions or what? They were on the clock here.

What are you? Wilson? Well, Boat likes to sing. Yeah. I'm going to guess. I don't have a guess. I'm going to go. Let's go Dylan McMahon.

Let's get my guy. Come on, Howie. You're watching. Pull the trigger. You think this is on. in the draft room? I know it is. That's why he kept trading down yesterday while I was fighting for my life. Oh, that's that yeah, that's true. You have not missed the pick yet. Yeah, I've missed a few

press conferences, but I've not missed a pick. Bo, what has been the final count so far for 2025 picks? Is it a three, an extra three and an extra four or four and a five? Yeah, I like that by the way. Next year. Yeah, no question. Next year's you're asking better than this year. Who's your favorite guy in the draft next year, Fran? I can tell you. Who do you like in the third that offers some, you know, running back tackle versatility? Yeah, get back.

You know who my favorite guy in the draft is next year who is severely underutilized by LSU is Harold Perkins. Howard Perkins is going to be awesome. And for some reason, they keep playing by Mike Linebacker. Harold Perkins is going to be like Michael Parsons. I was sure you were going to say the tight end from LSU when you said that. No, Harold Perkins is awesome. Yeah. Funny name.

I like that. Harold Perkins. what's taking so long with this pick i don't know eagles come on i don't know i got fran on the hook here i'm sorry to go guys yeah i i don't have it who's it gonna be what's in the box johnny wilson eagles take johnny wilson you hear that excitement in his voice and it's not because he broke the story because you know he did no it's not because it's not because it's another person that the eagles have brought in for a pre-draft visit the reason that you hear that excitement in Zach's voice for the selection of the big wide receiver from Florida State,

Johnny Wilson, is that this is a shot across Devante Parker's bow, and Zach is ready to see him extinguished. I mean, look, when you're talking about Johnny Wilson, this is hard to teach. Well, here, I'll defer to Fran first. Franz X. He's a Fonnie MoMA. Go ahead, Fran. I think he's definitely better than a Fonimo.

We'll be clear on that one. So Johnny Wilson, 6.063, so 6.6 and 3 8th is coming out. Tallest wide receiver we've seen drafted in the last decade. 35 and 3 eighths inch arms, longest arms we've seen from any receiver. Get him with Harold Carmichael tomorrow. 84.5 inch wingspan, longest wingspan of any receiver drafted in the last decade. So this is a big body receiver. And that's why he had gotten a lot of, oh, he's probably got to move to tight end.

He's probably going to have to move to tight end. Well, then he goes to the combine in Indiana. And he runs 452 at 230 pounds, which is an outstanding number for 230. He jumps 128 inches at 37 in the vert. And you say, okay, like this is a guy that has explosive traits that can move. He goes into the position workout. And Bo, you know me. Like when it comes to the combine, yeah, the athletic testing is good.

That's a, I'm there to watch the position drills. That to me, like, I want to see who are the guys that test really well? And then in that same environment, same turf, same shorts and a T-shirt. you know, the whole deal, does that plate, to that speed carry over into the drills? I thought he was one of the best receivers to go through the position workout. No drops in any of the gauntlet drills. He didn't, I think he put one ball on the ground the entire afternoon there in Indianapolis. I thought he was outstanding.

He did have to leave towards the end. I think it was a, there was an injury like late in the workout, nothing big, but like tweak something. And so he had to leave. But up until that point, I thought he was one of the best receivers on the field in his group. So you're talking about a player with unique size. I thought he graded out well as a blocker as well. The ability to play through contact faced a ton of press coverage. Remember, Keon Coleman was the other receiver there.

Coleman was the guy that they kind of moved around. We're going to try and get him some plays in the screen game and do some stuff. Wilson was consistently, he's the ex-iso receiver. They would move him into the slot at times. But this is a guy that has experience working at all three levels of the field. It was really good at the catch point as well. So a lot to like to get him at this point in the draft. I think it's a really interesting dart throw for sure.

Yeah, I mean, you're looking at 17 yards of catch, right? He's been a big play guy. Like they've been able to get the ball to him downfield. You know, 33 catches of 20 plus yards. That's according to Dane Brueger. So, yeah, I mean, that's one thing that jumps out. And when you watch it, you see him winning in these jump ball situations. Do you see him, friend, as a like an outside guy?

or are we talking like a big slot like a you know devon funchus type i thought that when i watched him on film you know one guy i wrote down the honestly the first name i wrote down was a marcus colston type like that's what you're banking on that's what you're hoping he would turn into right is that end of colston was i believe a seventh round pick right out of out of hosrazac yeah um going to the same i've got a program uh i think when you're looking at colston or when you're looking at uh at wilson this is a player that you're hoping kind of turns into that but again with with that workout in Indianapolis and not, again, not just the testing, but the position drills and the way that he kind of, you know,

went through routes and watching him at the senior bowl as well, because I thought he had some good flashes down there in Mobile. Another senior bowl player as well here added to this group. But when you look at Wilson go through drills in the senior ball, I thought that he showed, you know what, this is a guy that has the ability to line up both inside and outside in the NFL. Let me ask you because that is, you know, when I've asked about him and you've done a lot more work on him than I have.

you keep hearing the tight end possibility. Would you keep them at wide receiver or do you think this is this is someone who turns into a tight end similar to, you know, the Eagles have like that type of player. They move to Keem Butler, the tight end for instance, right? They've tried wide receivers at tight end. They moved MoMA from wide receiver to tight end. Do you think he stays at wide receiver or do you think tight end is in his future? You know, in talking with him a couple times throughout the process, you know, talking with him at the senior bowl and then as well, in Indianapolis.

He had said everybody's talking to him about receiver. And there were a couple teams that had mentioned tight end, but that receiver was what he thought he was and that what most teams felt he was. Honestly, a lot of the tight end chatter stopped after the combine. I feel like then everyone was like, all right, we're going to keep him in the wide receiver bucket at this point. I think this is fun.

I think he's going to be a really fun guy to watch over the course of the summer. You know, there was like talk that he might be like a fourth round pick that did feel rich to me given given the background but in the sixth round absolutely like you're you're adding competition to to this room makes makes sense to me i think it's it's fair to be excited about getting to watch this guy in camp seven 17 yards of catch uh over the course of his career is a really good number for us especially for a guy who's 230 that you usually don't see that for guys that are that big um and again the four five two at uh 230 pounds that is a that's a unique

number uh i'll have to go and look and see like all right how many guys at two 30 have broken that. But there's not many that I would think. Guys that are that big that run as well and jumped as well as Johnny Wilson. I hope Devante Barker's renting. Unbelievable. I'm sorry. Wow.

I wanted to come to Philadelphia. He could have gone to any team in the league. This is how you know it's our 14. He chose the Eagles. four hours 33 minutes oh I had to eat today with scrambled eggs this morning I've had the same bottle of honey grow water we haven't taken a break

I'm sorry DeVante I'm sorry Fran I would like to offer you the chance to leave but there were two picks away from what could be the last pick of the draft for the Eagles so I feel like we have to hold you hostage here just to see if they make this pick and if they trade back then we'll let you leave how about that all right that sounds like a good plan Do you have any thoughts on like teams around the league or your favorite pick that you saw elsewhere?

You know, I've been trying to keep up, you know, just kind of looking around at what other teams are doing. You know, I think that I'm a little surprised. Were you guys talking about Dallas just before I came on? Zach, is that team you mentioned that you were surprised hadn't addressed the running back position? I would agree with you. I'm surprised that they had not addressed running back yet. you know, that'll be, it sounds like there were reports, I think Adam Schaefter had put out this morning that they're going to, they're getting close with Ezekiel Elliott to try and to, you know, finalize a deal there. I guess that would be their plan, you know, kind of going in. I know they've done a good job with the offensive line. You know, they trade back. They took Tyler Geithen around, or in night one. They got Cooper Beebe as a part of that trade back. So it sounds like they're going to play him at center. And that's a position. I don't believe he's ever played, you know, at Kansas State. But I know he'd been working on snapping throughout the course of the, the, the, the off season. And so, you know, I think when you look at the Cowboys, they're trying to

rejuvenate that offensive front that lost pieces this off season. Those would be the two ones that stand out. I think looking at the Giants as well, their first couple picks. I mean, you add Malik neighbors on offense. And then Tyler Nubin, the player I wrote down while watching Tyler Nubin, he was one of my favorite safeties to watch. I wrote down Xavier McKinney. And so him going to the Giants that that mesh as well. Zach, I know that you want to do the Jeremiah Trotter. Yeah. So I have. I have my Zoom on my computer. Go ahead. No, no, no, no. I'll stay here because you never know what soon is, right? When I say soon. So that's the good thing about a virtual call as opposed to the Cooper Gene Press

conference, which I wasn't able to get to. Oh, and here comes Jeremiah Triter Jr. Can you guys stay on? Go ahead. You go ahead. Do Jeremiah Trier Jr. Go see your guy. Ask to see what is what is behind looks like, how prodigious it is. Sack says he promises to ask that. Now, I see a report that the Eagles have maybe traded, but it hasn't come across yet. So if it does come across that they've moved down, Fran, I will. I won't leave you stranded. We'll at least wait until ZB gets back. Oh, what a guy.

What a, what a friend. What non-football stuff can we talk about? Oh, that's a good question. You ever heard of this? Well, here, while Zach is talking to Jeremiah Trow to do, can I share a couple quotes from some of his former teammates? Please. All right.

So March of 2022, so at the Combine, in 2022. I asked then Clemson linebacker, Baylon Specter, who's been, I think he's, he might still be in the league. I think he's bouncing around the bottom of roster still, but I said, you know, who's a young guy coming up that we can expect to see? And I love asking these guys about just to get a heads up

on players coming down the pike. So, Balin Specter, he said, Jeremiah Trotter. He can play football. I remember the exact enunciation that Bailey game. It only took like two weeks watching him in Springball. It's like this kid's got really good instincts. got a nose for the football. I'm really excited for him. Give a shout out to Keith McGuire, too. It's another Philly guy. So Zach missed that one. He could give us the scouting report on Keith McGuire.

Both of them up there, two guys that I think, you know, have that ability, a lot of speed can play the game of football. And then K.J. Henry, who I believe Washington selected right about last year. So this was last spring, KJ. Henry told me, Jeremiah Trotter, really quiet. Doesn't say a ton, but he's going to be a leader with his actions. know that he's going to get to the football, he's going to set the defense up. You could tell that he's his father's son. You could tell that he was a linebacker coming out of the womb, for sure. So that was from K.J. Henry. So a couple of his teammates had been loving up Jeremiah Trotter Jr. for the last couple of years. You were playing the long game on all those questions. It's a fantastic job. The chat wants to know if you've seen Barbie. Yes. Meg and I watched it. We didn't do, we did not do the full Barbenheimer experience.

but actually I have not seen Oppenheimer yet because I was waiting to watch that yeah I haven't seen up inheimer yet but so we did watch Barbary because I keep wanting it to be the right thing like I like have the time to sit down you know watch it on a nice screen and like have the experience but who's got three hours well and it's like the what's the movie that the the killer of the flower moon like it's the same deal it's like I'm going to watch it like I know I'm going to watch it but I need to carve out like three now that the drafts over This is when I felt like I was able to do in pieces. I feel like Oppenheimer, you want to have the uninterrupted.

But I don't know. Yeah. Usually when the season ends, getting up until the draft, that's when I like binge a show because I can watch something in 30 minute or 60 minute chunks. And it's like, all right, I can do that. The movies I usually save until after the draft. So now I get to like May, June, July. And then I feel like I can start, you know, banging some of those out.

And then the other question, we've been talking a little female erotica on the show today. What do you know about, what do you know about Anius Nin? I have nothing there. Nothing. No, no interest in the erotica. Okay. I have nothing there. Eagles are on the clock.

Let's see if they make a pick here. Just some throw out some names that could be of interest at different positions. Like running back, not a lot there. Dylan Johnson, if you wanted to get nasty. Offensive line, there is still Travis Glover, who they brought in. If they're going to just do this entire draft. of like only guys they did the pre-draft visits for Travis Glover would be a possibility. I thought Josiah Ezraim was an interesting stout, like developmental guy.

I already talked about Dylan McMahon. So why are you are you so big on Dylan McMahon? They're doing, really? They took Dylan McMahon. They did it. Look at my guy. Let's go. All right, Dylan McMahon.

This is the. Bo, bow, bow, bow, bow. Bo, Bo, Bo, Bo, Bo, Bo, Bo, Bo, Bo, Bo. Wow. And I think I think this might mean that I'm going to win the, the Owl, you know, draft. I got a late one. Look at that. This is fantastic.

Demack. Now, listen, you want to talk about following the Jason Kelsey lineage, a guy who has fought and played, started as a walk-on, earns himself like all this playing time. great short shuttle, which is the nice indicator for interior offensive lineman. What do you like about Dylan McMahon, Fran? Certainly the athleticism, you know, that stood out. And he was a guy that I think when you, you mentioned the testing aspect of things. But, you know, watching him in that offense.

And that offense, they ask you to do a lot from a schematic standpoint. And he played center, started his career at Guard, like you mentioned. But this is a guy that has the ability to get out in space. He can make any block in the playbook that way. He's played a ton of football. I want to say it was 40 plus starts in the interior there for the Wolfpack. And I'm just, I'm a fan of what they do structurally,

offensively. And so, you know, the way that he was used in that offense, I think it's going to be really fun to kind of project that forward here to Philadelphia. Obviously, he's going to have to compete, you know,

for a spot, you know, being a late round pick. But, you know, to me, this is a guy, especially like you mentioned,

because that short shuttle, test has always been a really good predictor of future NFL success. Those are the kind of guys. You take a gamble. on you Tanner bordellini went off the board just before the Eagles first pick tonight today right um that that way it'll be a player that kind of fit that mold as well McMahon uh the kind of fits that that same kind of template 22 starts at right guard 14 at center eight at left guard and uh you know six three two 99 so it's it's actually kind of fun because it's just like a wide receiver or they took two guys but two completely different body types of opposite 10 polls the huge johnny wilson the little a nea smith they've taken two offensive lineman here on day three of much different body types in Dylan McMahon and Michigan's Keegan Keegan Keegan keegan Trevor Key. Going through my notes just from the combine. And again, not just the testing, but the positional work. I thought he had one of the

best position workouts of the offensive line. And just going through my notes here didn't have any bad reps. He aced the mirror drill. That's a big one for me. He was good in the wave drill. He did a nice job on the pass rush, the pass set drills as well. And those are the ones that Jeff Stoutland runs in Indianapolis at the Combine. One thing, you know, just kind of looking at some numbers, too. One thing I like that that PFF does is that they separate pass rush sets into two different categories, right? So not all pass block snaps are created equal because, you know, you have some play action stuff. You can get a little bit messy there, especially with the RPO game and things like that.

So, okay, let's take all of your pass blocking reps. anything that doesn't have like play action or anything that would kind of, you know, basically just say this is a true past drop. Let's put all of those to the side and see how you did. When you look at McMahon, A, he did it a ton in over the course of his career. They put him in a lot of tough situations. And you saw him get better year after year after year in those situations. So, you know, one thing that's interesting, just kind of looking at these numbers more

the last couple of years. The guys that have played a lot, usually the number profile is usually pretty bad because when you play early on, you're going to kind of take your licks there. So you saw that with McMahon early on at at NC State. But again, he was a player that every single year, the numbers got better and better and better and better. And so, no, he's a, he's a really interesting project from a, all right, look at the athleticism. You have the traits there. You know, played, I believe he played behind Garrett Bradbury when he first got there. So I'm excited to see what this kid can do this spring and summer.

Let me ask you about this line in his scatter report from Dan Brugler. Tell me what you think of this. He started dating his fiance, Emma, as a high school freshman in December 2015 and they became engaged on their college graduation day. Wow.

Look, you talk about the loyalty and the commitment that Quinnon Mitchell showed the University of Toledo. It's a resounding theme here in this draft class. Yeah, this is a guy who knows what he sees. You know, you talk about diagnosing the defense and reading the field. You know, guy, you made the right read, apparently. Also, it's a really good move to propose on a, like a graduation day, like around a big event because, you know, she's not expecting it.

You know, you got your mind elsewhere. That's a, that's a savvy move on his part. And she's not going to say no in front of that many people, right? That's right. You think he did it on stage? That's a good question. Yeah, that's a way we asked Zach. if you can get that question at the presser.

Yeah, after we ask him how big his behind is. All right, I'm excited. You know what? They could have drafted like six 85-year-olds, and I'd still be happy with Dylan McMahon. My guess is Zach will know this when he walks into the room that you, that he already texted. He already texted Dylan McMahon exclamation point, yes.

There we go. All right, I'm excited. Well, that's what is that. Is that it? Are there any other picks? they're done they have no more picks so they could trade a future pick to get in if there's a guy that they really really love but i'm i'm guessing they have sort of filled all of the depth things that they needed to hit i think uh and they'll they'll you know attack undrafted free agency as zach would say with

an enthusiasm unknown to mankind and like i don't know defensive tackle would be nice to have a guy it seems like really the only body, maybe another linebacker, but I think, I think they're okay to sort of sit back at this point. Yeah, I think that, look, this is an organization that puts a huge priority on undrafted free agency. I know it's something that they take very seriously, and they've had a lot of success plucking players after the draft to come in and compete for starting roles. I know, you know, obviously read Blankenship, the most recent example, but you go back over the course of the last five, six, seven, you know, 10, 11, 12 years, whether it's Corey Clement in the Super Bowl, you know,

Trey Burton in the Super Bowl, a bunch of those guys have come in, found roles and played pivotal roles for the, T.J. Edwards, uh, at a former undrafted free agent. So, uh, that is a list that typically will be filled with a handful of guys that have a chance to make the 53 man roster. Can you give us a sense from your understanding of exactly how the mechanics of

undrafted free agency work? Yeah. So right now, like, because where are we out in the draft, uh, pick wise? By the way, Zach, I am not going to win the Alley, no draft, although it is very impressive that between the three of us, Zach, Sheel and I have nailed three of these picks. I've got McMahon, Sheal had Johnny Wilson, and Zach got Ania Smith in addition to his Cooper machine, Jalick's Hunt. Wow.

Although I would say mine was the most impressive because those guys were pre-draft visits. We all, you know, we all saw the answers to the test there. This one's a little bit more creative, nice job, Bo. But go ahead. Give us the undrafted urgency spiel. So basically what happens when you get to like the sixth round, seventh round, teams typically will start calling players and saying, hey, you know, like if you don't get drafted, you know, we really want to talk to you about coming in and signing a deal. And you're making a lot of those calls. Now, what's crazy about it is that it's a very fast process.

And so because after the draft, it's open season. And so all 32 teams are trying to sign their required allotment. of players, but you have to keep in mind, too, that, you know, not every team can sign the same amount and it depends on how big your draft class is. And players are all weighing that as well. So, let's say you're a running back and you're looking at one team that, you know what, they didn't draft anybody at the position and they've got guys in a contract here. They've got some aging vets. This is a place where I can, I feel like I can go in and compete. Well, then you're going to, you're going to weigh that along with the money that you're bidding offer, right? So I think

when you're looking at it from a player and agent standpoint, you're looking at it from a team standpoint, it is the wild, wild west. It is crazy up there during an undrafted free agency. And that is that window. Again, it'll start, it'll start getting really nuts towards the end of the seventh round. And then it's about, I want to say like an hour-ish, like immediately after the draft. I know you guys know, just like everybody's got a phone.

It's like the area scouts on. He's like hands it to the position coach, like talk to this guy, tell him, you know, and it's like, they're just passing everything around. Yeah. And it's tough because you're, you know, if you're a scout and you're talking to a player, you say, look, like, we only have X amount of these. spots available. So I'm making you this offer, but I'm also making this offer to, you know, however many other players, two or three or four other players at the same position. And so,

like, we would really like for you to be able to accept it so we can cross this off the board and keep going. But if you don't and somebody else does, like our hands are kind of tied. And so it can be difficult from that standpoint. I know that there have been some teams that have put some pieces out, you know, when it comes to like the behind the scenes of the undrafted process. It's a, it's a crazy couple hours for sure. I once spent. the undrafted process with an agent. I did a feature story on, it was a local agent,

Ed Wazelouski. And it, it was, it was a fascinating, like two, three hours there because like Fran said, you know, as the drafts going on,

you're, you're getting these calls. But also, you, and Fran hit it on the head. Like, you got to make these decisions on the phone. You know,

it's, it's not like the player can be like, well, you know, see what this team is or, you know, what's the living arrangement like? What's the depth chart like, right? Like they haven't. So it's like, all right, if you don't take this now, they're going to move on to the next guy. So you've got to take this.

And it all happens so quickly. And it's amazing like how the future of, I don't say the future of a franchise, but someone's life has changed like with a split second decision like that. Yeah, absolutely. Well said. All right. All right. And the, honestly, a lot of those calls, sorry, both, a lot of those calls.

have now started like earlier where I know like in you know earlier this week at the end of last week some of those some of those like scouts and coaches are reaching out to players saying look look keep us in mind towards the end if you haven't been drafted like you're kind of laying that groundwork early and obviously you don't have anything concrete in terms of oh this is how many spots we have available because you don't know how many players are going to end up within a draft but those things are going to be split second decisions here coming up and there is also sort of the repeated game if you can sell like you know we're a team where check check our history like undrafted guys make our roster almost every year uh that's that's a thing that's a huge time i would also say the eagles

have as and as nick field puts it in the chat you know the eagles have seven draft picks uh and they've got 77 or nine draft picks 77 on the roster so there's not a lot of spots right now they may you'll probably see them probably releasing a couple guys unfortunately over the next 24 hours because i think it works that the the draft picks are unsigned so they don't count against roster necessary or do they exact do you know how that works what's that do the draft picks count on the 90 man roster not until there's uh right yeah yeah i don't think until they're signed right okay yeah because of yeah i believe that guys now before offering whatever it is but yeah anyway all right uh fran you have done uh you have done the lord's work

the ellis's work thank you so much we appreciate it make sure that you check out all of fran's pieces on philadelphia eagles dot com and read him on twitter on eagles exos what's the what piece did you have up go today? So we had the, the Cooper de Jean pieces and the Gepardagin piece and the Jalix Hunt piece both went live last night.

And so I'll have pieces on all these players that were selected today come later tonight. Can't wait to read it. Thank you so much, Fran. Thank you. Thanks, guys.

Yeah, you always well. Talk to you guys. All right. Zach, how you doing? Your boy. My man. The draft of Boak. D-Mack.

Yeah, look at that. This is still still your week. Oh, we need to, but Bo, Bo, Bo, Bo, Bo. We already did the chance. Oh, okay. Gotcha. Sorry, I was talking to Trott Jr. How to go?

Nice guy. Yeah. Yeah? Yeah. Did he talk about enjoying having been on the Anthony Gargano show last week? Did not ask him that, no. Come on. A little self-referential.

Hoping 54 is available. Okay. Never felt the pressure of being Jeremiah Trotter Jr. son. Pressure is a privilege. That's true. Once to carry on, yeah, wants to carry on the legacy. grew up loving the Eagles, right? Understands Philly's in West Virginia right now,

supporting his brother at the Spring Green. Nice. Yep. So look forward to getting a chance to speak to him and know him more. Would like to find out what Cooper Jean said in his press conference. They also missed the J-Ock Hunt video call. I mean, Zach, you have crushed it. No, no, no.

Non-stop all weekend. You have got to stop beating yourself up. You can't be in different places. trying to learn about these guys. This is your job. You're going to rewatch those press conferences. You'll be fine. You're going to have a lot of time to get to know them.

Yeah. Okay. But no, this has been fun, long, but fun. Eager to hear what Howard Roseman and Nick Siriani have to say after this. And I think it was a good draft for the Eagles, right? But let's run it down. Yeah. In the first round, Quinnian Mitchell.

In the second round, a trade-up for Cooper DeGine. in the third round, trade downs for Jalick's Hunt. In the fourth round, Clemson running back Will Shipley. In round five, a Troika, Texas A&M, wide receiver, return man, Ania Smith, Clemson linebacker Jeremiah Trotter Jr. Michigan, Guard, Trevor Keegan. And in the sixth round, Johnny Wilson, the big fellow on the outside from Florida State, and the pick of the letter, baby.

The thing that's going to take the Eagles over the top at pick one. 190 in the sixth round from NC State, D. Mack himself, the loyal reader of the defense, Dylan McMahon. What are your takeaways? Well, I just want to make a reference here. Dylan McMahon, would you say pick 190? Yes. Jason Kelsey was pick 199 for the Eagles. So this guy's going to be one better than Jason Kelsey.

You can bank on it. Something about. Yeah, look, we've... It doesn't say, actually, usually it says in the profile from Bruegler, whether how many siblings the guy has it doesn't say that he's an only child i don't know how many kids he has but you can bet or siblings he has you can bet that if he does have a brother that brother will one day date the biggest star in the world oh very nice okay yeah um you're referring to teller swift of course i am okay purd of her my daughter likes her yeah uh so yeah

first two days went well for the or i'm sorry we've covered the first two days so let's talk about today. I frankly think the best thing that happened today was getting a third rounder, fourth, round, and fifth rounder next year. Without really exhausting, you know, much draft got, like, they didn't move back in a significant way and able to extract that capital next year. I think it's a very positive sign. And I think that's going to be important. It doesn't seem important now. It'll seem important next spring. So I give Hallie Rosen credit for that. Look, we can quibble about some of these picks. I think they waited long for an offensive lineman. I've said that before.

they took two guys who have good starting experience. You like that, right? You have guys who could, we talked about adding depth, right? I think in both Keegan and McMahon, these are quality depth guys. I still think they need more assurance on the outside. I'm curious what the post signing, I should say a tackle, what the signing is. I like Will Shipley more than you. I think in the receiver combination, the two guys, they have different hype.

right? I think Wilson is something they don't really have on the roster other than Devante Parker and Joseph Angada. So that stands out to me. I think that... I'm still funny. I hope he's renting. I really like the Trot Jr. pick.

I feel bad that I was putting out that information about like, you know, the Eagles are kind of worried about the pressure. although I do think, you know, the value was so good in the fifth round. They clearly didn't want to do it. It was something that was part of their calculation. It had to be on the radar. They had to talk through. Yeah.

But at that point, it made a lot of sense. And I think that could turn out to be the best pick today because pathway to playing time. And I've said this about linebacker. I care quite a bit about the instincts. And I don't care as much about the time speed at linebacker. If T.J. Edwards is the comp like, like, like Dean said, that's a really good outcome for the Eagles, right?

So overall, I think it's a good draft. I think the top of it's a great draft. Those first two picks, nailed it. It was going to be foundation pieces for the Eagles, in my opinion. You would hope that they would have addressed the offensive line a little bit more. We'll see what happens with J.OX Hunt, but I like that they came out of it with a third or fourth and a fifth next year. Yeah, I think if you were zooming out, evaluating the class,

a whole you're probably a little bit surprised that it took this long for them to address offensive line depth i think that like those guys and trevor kegan and dillan mcmann can be functional opetta driscoll replacements right away right uh and so you didn't add the surefire right guard starter but i think they've done a good job uh addressing the depth there you trust statland on that front um i i think i think the hunt shipley back-to-back is going to be an interesting see how that plays out the third and fourth round pick but given the uh the short and long term needs of the roster being able to come away with with mitchell and de jean is a really nice top and i also think i'm like we're a little bit surprised that they made all nine picks i think i'm guessing that

whether he says it in the press conference or not um how i would say that because they view this class as not as deep as some past ones that it made more sense to get picks instead of relying on undrafted for agency because that pool will be a little bit shallower than maybe it would be in other years. I didn't think about that, but that's a great point. You're always thinking ahead. I like that. Yeah, you're probably right. Like, you have a hundred fewer people in this class, right? And so that means the strength of the undraft market's not nearly as strong as it is in other years. What do you want to hear from Howie as we talk to him later today? Well, actually, I'm going to ask, you know, Nick doesn't get a lot of

these questions, but I am going to ask... But we get to talk to Nick all the time. Yeah, so I shouldn't ask Nick about Red Guard? I mean, you can if you want to, but aren't you going to talk to him like next week? I feel bad about Nick's sitting up there and not asking him. That's part of the game they're playing. Oh, okay. They know I'm a soft spot for that.

Yeah. Yeah. This is our only chance to talk to me. I know, but I never want someone to feel unimportant. Right? I don't think you have to worry about him feeling unimportant. It's like if you see someone sitting alone at the lunch table, I always went and sat with them, you know? Yeah, but your responsibility is not to Nick Siriani.

It's to the... Good patrons of all phtly.com with the viewers of this show. Yeah. Yeah, you know, I'm curious. I'm curious about the Red Star thing. I'm actually going to ask that. That was a big end of press conferencing last year, Red Star guys.

Any of these guys are Red Star guys? So I will ask them that. The Trott Jr. thing will cool. I don't want to belabor it. Clearly, they didn't have an issue with it. And they're, you know, on my drive over, I will ruminate a few. questions. I'll listen to what he says. Might have some follow-ups there. But yeah, I'm curious

what more work he has to do. You know, where he thinks that this is the end of, I know, roster acquisition period's not over. No. But this is a big pressure point to pass. You know, kind of where are they now? All right. Well, Zach, it's been exactly five hours of this show on Saturday. I feel like, good stuff. So what did we get? We got about 13 hours total, basically, a little bit over that, I think, over the course of the last three days. Yeah, well, What, yesterday was four? Day one was four. Is that right?

I think that's about right. I think those might have creeped a little bit longer than that. Okay, so 13 plus hours. 13 plus hours. We have stories on all-PHLY.com right now on the first three picks. I probably won't do one each on all these guys. Maybe I'll do a day three, one all together, wrapped in. Looking forward to Lestis column.

Any time, Beau writes, it's a joy to readers. It's a joy to everybody. honestly. Even the people who have no idea that it's happening? Everybody in the world? So that's the way I say. There's so much going on as long as I write some nonsense.

That's what I say can go to all phly.com. I am so grateful for everyone who's signed up. We have access to all the data. Everyone who signed up to be die-heart. We are giving you your money's worth. We're trying to give you your money's worth there. And I will just say that this, I feel like it's,

crack and get open. A few things to say. Suck one back. with the boys. I have two things to say here. First off, Tyler, thank you.

Everyone who's been working behind the scenes to make this possible this weekend. This is taking weeks and planning, months of planning. I'm grateful for everyone

like, like Bo and I have been on the set here, but there's so many people who are a part of this. You know, Julia, Brina, Chris,

appreciate everyone. You know, Vince, everyone at p hely Tyler I said Tyler I said here

but then I also want to say this okay uh we're nine months into this endeavor and I finally given birth yeah I've said all along I've said all along like

yeah you know April or March and April we're actually not nine months are we are we know what we're eight plus you're going into nine months nine months it will be made we're eight months and we're not through eight months yet

right we started we started on September 12th yeah so isn't this it won't maybe 9th October November April is the or December April is the fourth month yeah yeah we're not through eight yet okay we're not through eight okay yeah okay so we're still a little premature we've got we got another we got another month to cook that baby okay okay so so let me just finish this because I was like March yeah free agency owners will carry us April we have no problem with April. And I was like, what's May and June July gonna look like? We're doing shows every day, my man. So, yeah, so

this is gonna be fun here. And we'll be back in about 36 hours to recap the draft. But no, this has been awesome. It's great working with you on here and excited for what's ahead. Thank you to Butcher Box for making this happen for us. over the course of the weekend. Make sure you go to butcherbox.com slash p.hloi to get that

free meat and $20 off. Thank you to Wicked Wolf for hooking us up as well. Miller Light, our good friends. Here's to all of you. And as you said, yes, thank you to all the listeners and the viewers, Julia, Brina, Tyler, and Chris. But I got to say, I know that you don't want this to be about you, Zach. No, it's not. It's about butcher box, actually. But over the course of the past three days. And all of the months preceding, listen, listen,

not only have you flexed your scoop muscles breaking these picks. Your antenna has been spot on about the Eagles intentions on specific players and, you know, big picture philosophy. You have brought the energy despite the sleep. You pounded on the table for your. guys yesterday was, I think, the best piece of content that we had. That was fantastic. You have been a star. We love you. Thank you. And I think there's no other way for us to end this. Then with one final, everybody in the chat, get it going. Tyler joined in. Zach, Zach, Zach,

Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach. That will do it for the PHLY Eagles podcast, draft day live. 13 plus hours in the books. The Eagles make nine picks. Added the secondary. Add some other guys. We're going to talk all about it. We got a long time, as Zach said, to talk about it. But we thank you for joining us over the course of draft weekend.

We will talk to you on Monday at noon for all of us here at PHOI. Thank you so much once again. And as always, we love you. You know,