PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | NFL Draft, Night 2: Philadelphia Eagles trade up for Iowa CB Cooper DeJean, add HCU Edge Jalyx Hunt in round 3

Episode Date: April 27, 2024

The Eagles entered night 2 with two 2nd-round picks, and ended up making several trades to move up and down the board. Cooper DeJean now joins Quinyon Mitchell in a new-look secondary. And after moving down the board, Howie Roseman added a developmental pass rusher, Jalyx Hunt, who played safety at Cornell.Join Rich Hofmann and Bo Wulf as Zach Berman takes over and runs the show. ZACH! ZACH! ZACH! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

2004 NFL draft. Bowulf, Zach Berman here for the PHLY draft day show presented by our good friends, Zach at Butcher Box. You know all about Butcher Box. Butcher Box is hooking you up with free meat. What could possibly be better than free meat with the promo code, butcherbox.com slash P-H-L-Y. Zach, how you doing? I'm doing well.

I'm excited for night too. It's been a busy day. There are those in the chat who are saying I'm a fast driver. That's not the case. I left Novacare complex. I was there waiting for Quinnian Mitchell. It got to my cutoff time. I wanted to get here for the start of the show.

I know we have a loyal audience here. I came in. I was so pumped to see our team. Everyone did a great job last night. I was speaking to you and I was totally oblivious to this decoration. you put up. What is that? I appreciate the sentiment.

I don't quite understand why we're making such a big deal about it. I should know that this is Bo being Bo. You get gifted a moment. You take advantage of the moment. No, no, no, no. Like I said, you like Barry Sanders, hand the ball back to the ref, act like you've been there before and have a great show on night too, which all of us will have.

Well, the audio listeners will have to tune into the YouTube feed to see. Are we able to take it down now? Absolutely not. Definitely not. By the way, I skipped over it before. It's not just free meat. There's also $20 off your first box on butcherbox.com slash p.hly, which you can take advantage of today. Now, Zach, so much to talk about here. The Eagles have two picks, 50 and 53 in the second round.

We haven't spoken to you since you spoke to Harry Roseman and Nick Siriani last night. I know you were watching the Quignan-Mitchell press conference and the reaction from him last night. We've got a lot to talk about, a lot expected. Let's start with your expectations for tonight first. Yeah, so really, the Eagles, this sounds obvious. They're in the driver's seat. They can be aggressive if they would like at 50 and 53. Now, we were going to do bold predictions tonight.

I was working on them. I got three of them. I couldn't really get five, so I didn't send them over. But my first bold prediction was that the Eagles don't draft at 50 or 53. Okay. I think that they'll try to be aggressive trading up, and I could see them doing a trade-up, trade-down situation, right? Combining those two, going back, falling back to the third round,

trying to get up into the top 10 of the second round, right? I imagine there were a few guys there who they still might have first-round grades on or near first-round grades on. Who do you think that would be for? Well, if you're looking at it, the three guys, so I had a piece up of 17 players. to keep your eye on. But as far as like the first round grades, Cooper de Gene is a player I would watch. Now, you might say the Eagles took a corner last night.

There's no need for Cooper to Gene. Two counter arguments there. First off, if the, if one of the appeals of Cooper DeGine is the versatility, the fact that you can play corner, slot, safety, he's going to have, he can help on special teams. He's going to have a role on your team. The second thing, and you and Les Bowen were texting today, and I brought this up, and and less said it's it's like 2002 and that's that's true in that 2002 they took lito shepherd and they took sheldon brown the second round they took michael lewis in the second round and i know for a fact the organization's very proud of that draft uh so the eagles have have gone with kind of free agency and trades and trying to put the secondary together over

the past decade plus here if you have foundational pieces a first round pick a high second round pick and you can kind of work that in, you know, and and figure out how how they all mesh, that could be a good outcome. Now, I think the jeans can be off the board fairly quickly. Then I think A.D. Mitchell is a clear, like there's a clear drop off or there is a drop off after him at wide receiver. I think he's a first round caliber wide receiver. Do you worry about the signal of him getting passed over for Ricky Piersall and Xavier Legette? That's a good question.

It sounds like San Francisco loved Pearsall, right? So sometimes teams just fall in love with a player. Leggett, yeah, I mean, Liget physically is, he's a 225 pound receiver. You don't see that very often. It's almost like the A.J. Brown comp you hear. But no, that's a fair point.

Maybe I doubt AD Mitchell's a trade-up for them because there's other wide receivers on the board. the other player and you've been ahead of me and talking about defensive tackle but Johnny Newton I think is the clear like there's a clear drop off after him after him you get into that kind of Chris Jenkins rookie O'Horo-Horo territory

and Michael Jr. Yeah exactly Michael Jr., but Johnny Newton could be a first round caliber player for them so the reason for trading up would be if there's a player who you either have a first round grade on where there's a drop off in the tier. And then the other thing I'll just mention quickly, I saw this from Daniel Jeremiah,

who said in this draft, there were about, like, about 50 players or thereabouts, that there was kind of like a consensus. These were the guys. And then after that, you might see players taken in the late second round who other teams have sixth round grades on. So it could be a situation where the Eagles feel like the board drops off and they want to jump and get that before that drop off.

I think beyond the first round, when there are really tiered grades of players, I think the opportunity to move up for Harry Roseman and for smart general managers is when value meets need. And so, like, you go up and get a guy. So, like, trading up for another guy in the secondary or a wide receiver, which is not the most pressing need, would be a little bit unlikely to me. You didn't mention offensive line. You know, if there is a guy who they would have had on the back end of their first round grades, whether that's a Kingsley Sue of Montailla or, you know, Patrick Paul or somebody like that, that's one where, you know, If they want to get the guy before there is a drop off at a position of need,

you could sort of see that too. Remind me here when you did interior offensive line work, did you think Jackson Powers Johnson could play guard? Yeah, I mean, he's big enough to play guard, no doubt. The knock on Jackson Powers Johnson is just not that much starting experience. For a guy of his size and athleticism, it's a little bit curious. Yeah, he really had that one year was the Remington Trophy Award winner in that season, but does not have that type of experience.

he has played guard in the past. I actually think he has half as many snaps at guard as he has at center. But it's not a significant amount at either position. I just can see, I think the Eagles are going to try to get into the third round in some point, right? So if that's trading back, if that's using the 53rd pick to, let's say they draft that at 50. And my prediction is wrong. But instead of going 50 and 53, they trade back in the third round. They add another pick.

they had a future pick. There's different possibilities they can do. Just as a reminder to the listeners to the viewers, the Eagles don't have a fourth round pick next season. They traded that in the DeAndre Swift deal. So if the Eagles kind of wanted to recuperate some draft inventory, trading back is an easy way to do it. Yeah, and just to generally set it right now,

the Eagles are set with two second round picks, a fourth, three-fifths, and a six. So that's their general what they have for the weekend. And the other one position to think about significantly, I think, Zach, is linebacker. Yep. And, you know, if we went through the Eagles depth chart, there's no doubt that linebacker is the weakest right now, right? Like quarterback. In terms of the overall depth.

Yeah. I mean, quarterback is set. Running back, you could use a third guy because right now you've just got Kenny Gainwell behind Sequin Barkley. A wide receiver, you've got some options beyond the top two in Paris Campbell. I know you hate Devonte Parker. You want to like, throw like rotten bananas. is Adam or something like that. Britain Covey.

They need somebody there. They're going to add somebody there at least one over the course of the weekend. Tight end, you could use, obviously, somebody beyond Calcutera and C.J. Uzama and Albert O. they certainly need offensive line depth, probably somebody to compete with Tyler

Steen at Red Guard. Hennessy is involved there, but you need something there. On the edge, you could certainly use something. It's not a great edge. It's not a great edge class. And I think that's one where,

like, if they're going to, if they're going to force a pick, second round could be the spot where like there's nobody else we even like at all this could be an area for them to go to but at linebacker i mean nicoby dean and devon white is what they have and oran burke and they've got oren berks nicoby dean has been okay when healthy he hasn't proven that he can stay healthy devon white is signed to a one year deal and is a flawed player if they love junior colson if they love edgar and cooper if they love trevin walker i think the second round would make a lot Trevor and Weiss.

Yeah. Trevor Wiles. And the other player to put in there is Peyton Wilson, who's older and injured and has and is injury prone. But from a film perspective, we heard Baldy when he was on our set, thought he was like one of the top players just based on what he saw on film. So yeah, that's that's a good point there. Are you sour on Mike the, I'm Mike Cooper, the gene idea?

Like, do you think that's a luxury? I'm not sour on it, but I mean, for them to trade up, which would mean, mean, you know, probably giving up like a second and a fourth or a second and a future something. I don't love that. What if it's giving up? What if it's giving up both twos moving up in the second and getting a late third back if a team has two thirds or even an early fourth back? I mean, you don't make these moves for the short term. You make them for the long term.

And so if you love Cooper DeGine, I guess I could be talked into it. But in the short term, where is you playing? slot slot day one like him Sidney Brown CJ Gardner Johnson and Reed Blanketship

can they they all except for Reed kind of give you versatility in that in that secondary we don't know

how much longer Dary Slay is going to be here so you have a needed outside corner opposite you know like opposite Mitchell

beyond this season so yeah I think would actually be a very plausible pick to make. I wouldn't make a pick just for how the guy fits in this year, but I would imagine giving to Gene's versatility that you can find a role for him. Now, perhaps Buffalo takes him. Buffalo does have a need in the secondary.

Well, Buffalo is actually taking Keon Coleman, the Big Wider Center from Florida State to kick off things in round two. They have their new version in Buffalo of Kelvin Benjamin. There you go. scouting the helmet, scouting the size. But Keon Coleman, look.

I like Keon Coleman. Yeah, we had the foremost wide receivers expert in college football, which is Coach Flynn, shout out to Coach Flynn, who said for the early portion of the year, Keon Coleman was the best receiver in college football during those first few weeks. Now, this is one that I did get wrong, Zach, in my final mock draft. I had the Eagles taken Keon Coleman. Ah, okay, so you missed that.

I got round one right, but I did not get the first pick of round two. You got round one right. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I think that value-wise... By the way, it is so weird for me to look at the screen and seeing that behind. I would love to take that down.

Well, the way that the sausage is made here that people need to know is that, you know, you didn't get here until about 10 minutes before showtime because you were waiting for Quinnian Mitchell at the Novacare Complex. And you walked in here, and it took you like five minutes to notice that that thing was on the wall. It was wild. We're all, we're having a nice conversation, and everybody in the back is like biting their lips. Like, when is Zach going to notice this huge thing that's just right in front of him? Yeah, I mean, it's, people have told me in the past that your commitments to bits never ends.

And I suppose this is evidence of it. I figured we would see it. Everyone will get a good chuckle. We will take it down. But is there any way we can take that down at some point? Like, the show is not about that. I mean, I feel like next week is okay. No, no, no.

No, I mean, like the next. 10 minutes. Like in, I don't. I mean, Julia is the executive producer here. I think she gets to make the final call. Julia, come on. She's shaking her head.

We've known each other for 20 years, Julia. It's making the, it's making the chat. How about we let the chat way in? You're all about doing what the people want. If the people want the banner to stay up, let us know. And if you don't want the banner to stay up, don't type anything. I can make a poll. Okay.

Where do you even get a sign like that? Staples. I mean, I guess I shouldn't, I shouldn't give a free advertisement, but. A big box store. Same day delivery. Yeah. Pretty good stuff. The show ended at like 1 a.m. last night.

I didn't put in this submission to like 1.30 p.m. Geez. They're fast there. Yeah. They did a very good job. Yeah. No free advertisement. By the way, shout out to Les Bowen.

Our, you know, our contributor here at P.H.O.I. Sports. He has a column last night. Les texted me last night. I had not left Novocare yet at that point. It was past midnight at 154 a.m. I texted him that column. And yeah, I appreciate Les doing that. You can check that out on all pH-L-Y.

I think, given the way that the board lays out, Sack, I think it might, like I kind of would want the egos to just stay at 50-53. I think they're going to get really good value there. So the Patriots are trading up here. They're trading up with the Chargers. The Patriots, or I'm sorry, the Chargers are trading up. The Chargers are getting picked 34 and 137.

The Patriots are getting 37 and 110. To move down three spots, they get a 27 spot jump. So the Chargers may be coming up for a wide receiver since they got their tackle yesterday? Yeah, perhaps. Now, this is going to be interesting. If you recall with Chip Kelly, there used to be the old Oregon bias. Now, Oregon wasn't the national. Roman Wilson.

But is because I keep seeing like Blake Quorum at some points, like the ideal running back. Does he go Roman Wilson here? Or does he go with your A.D. Mitchell or something like that nature? Troy Franklin. Troy Franklin. Ladd-McConkie, perhaps. There's a handful of players in the mix. But now is it Jesus-Zodberg or is it Jesus-Z? or is it Jesus-Z?

I'm going to let you decide. Well, Jay-Z tells us Ladd-Mas-E-Z. So does Gene DeAngelo. So does Corey Katz. So I imagine it is Ladd McCongy here. All right. Well, there you go. All right, Zach.

Oh, look. Reed. Thank you, buddy. I love you too, man. Love it. Yeah. All right. Shout out to Reed.

He must have been very happy once you saw him this morning about the Sixers game last night. Oh, yes. Yeah. And I told him the Eagles took Quinnion Mitchell and he just wanted to make sure Darius Lay still on the team. And I assured him, Darius Lay still on the team. So he was happy about that. And also, I mean, I mean, his work to, like, play out the game on NBA 2K, got it done.

It worked out well. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Okay. Let's now backtrack a little bit in case the Eagles are going to move up anytime soon here. And by the way, in 10 minutes, we're going to hear from Fran Duffy, who's going to join us to talk a little bit about Quinnion Mitchell and some of the options here in round two. So before we do that, Zach, let me, let's talk about Howie Roseman and Nick Siriani last night and play a little bit of sleuthing on how the night went for the.

Eagles last night. I found Howie uncharacteristically subdued. Do you think that's a fair? Like is, is he normally on day one a little bit more energetic? Yes, he is normally a little more bubbly. Knowing Howie, I imagine it was probably intentional. He probably, I don't know if it was like, you know, watching film or something like that, but perhaps this this was kind of the approach that they wanted to take this year and not overstayed it.

But my read on it, my overall, like, big takeaway was they were proud that they didn't jump, that they let the board come to them, which is uncharacteristic of how it. I think that's good process. Yeah, I agree. And that they were kind of looking at it. and I think they saw a collection of players and they were able to do the math, right? X picks to go, X players on the board, you're going to get one of them. And you've talked about this, and Shield Capadia has talked about this, that sometimes, for as much as we say, have conviction in a player,

you don't want to overstay, like, you don't want to be overly convicted that you're so honed in on a single player that you kind of lose your process or, or, or you do things that perhaps are irresponsible. And so for them, you know, I used this expression last year with Jalen Carter. I feel guilty using it again, but I've ended up using it last year. I said if you told me at the start of this draft process that they would get Jalen Carter, I would have said what pick, you know, what future pick would they have to give up? Well, if you had told me at the beginning of that night that they would get Quignon Mitchell, I would have said did they have to give up their second round pick to do it.

And so the fact that they were able to do it at 22, I thought was really good. The question that I asked Howie, and he really didn't give a firm answer on this, was what you, I'd listen back to the show, what you brought up in the moment, and I think it's a pertinent question, is what set Mitchell over Arnold? Because I don't want to say it's Justin Jefferson, Jelen Rager. In that case, there was a consensus. Like, Jefferson was better. The Eagles were going against consensus. There was not a consensus here. But they are going to be linked.

And they are in the same conference, like with rivals here. Arnold went two picks later. And it's kind of fun that they had to declare who they actually think is better. Like they had the pick and they made their choice. Yeah. It's kind of much easier sometimes when there's two guys, one's taken. And you're like, all right, well, this is that 21, one of them had gone off the board and they took the other 22. It would have been very neat.

Exactly. You know, we stayed and got one of the top guys. Exactly. They had to declare who they think is better. So they were forced to pick. And Howie said, you know, both good players. This is what makes it hard. There's no insurance on this.

They just had to kind of go with the person and the player that they felt comfortable with. One other thing, Howie said, that really jumped out to me. And I give you credit again on this. You've identified the trend of, you know, the Eagles not going after smaller school players. Or Howie acknowledged that. had success with big school players. And for them to take someone from the Mac, it has to mean that they really think he's special.

He's acknowledging like that's, that's a red flag almost in the scouting report. And I don't think that it is necessarily as cut and dry as this. But if you just look at their profiles, a coaches type versus a scouts type. Yep. Like, you know, given Siriani's connection to that Toledo staff, given that Quinion Mitchell is a little bit more pro-ready, I guess, like a little bit ready to step in.

There's a larger bank of snaps. He went to the Senior Bowl and did all that stuff, whereas Terry and Arnold is a little bit younger. He only had one full year of playing experience. It's a little bit more of a projection. It sort of sets up that way. And listen, it's part of, you know, the buck stops with Howie Roseman. He is responsible for every pick.

But in the building, he has a lot of different constituents. And so like if Vic Fangio is in his ear saying I really prefer this guy again, this is all pure speculation. Or you know, if Sierra is like, you know, my guys tell me this is the best kid they've ever had and all this stuff. Like, you know, it's for him to then look them in the face and say I'd rather have this guy sort of could create an awkward situation. Fair point. And Vic Fangio has more clout than other defensive coordinators have had or at least Sean Nassia's had, right? and Jim Schwartz used to have heavy clout perhaps that's the way it is with Vic Fangio as far as the MAC part of this

and by the way the pick is in Atlanta traded up to Arizona's spot Arizona moved down I think the 43 Falcons are taking Clemson defensive tackle your boy Rook Aurora Oro okay there you go so just this is kind of known from stories

but interesting over Johnny Newton maybe there is a medical issue with Johnny Newton yeah he did not have a pre-trial track process because of an injury. Eagles fans, though, might not not know this. Quignan Mitchell was, he, so he was recruited early by Toledo. Schools, some bigger schools were interested. His grades were, so he decommitted, his grades were bad, or he, I shouldn't say, he had trouble with that grade, some schools came off him. Toledo stayed on him. He went to Toledo. He was loyal

to Toledo. He was really productive at Toledo. Last year, we're in the college, we're in the portal era of college football. Teams were extraordinarily interested. Nick Sabin, I believe, went on record yesterday saying that... I know, it was funny. We were poking fun at the Sabin as a measure of

talent yesterday about Drake May, but this one's a real one. Yeah, Sabin said he was their top guy. Like, they were waiting for him to go on the portal, and there would have been money waiting for Quignan Mitchell, right? He was their top guy. and Quignon Mitchell did not go in the portal. And he said he wanted to be loyal to the people who are loyal to him.

And, you know, there's, so that that kind of speak, that's something that the Eagles pointed out, that he had the chance to transfer. He went back to Toledo. He played real well at Toledo. And something that the Eagles saw because Howie Rosen acknowledged, he played a lot, he played mostly off coverage. And in the senior bowl, you were there with, you know,

on, in the stands watching this, that they saw him in man coverage. And they saw him in press coverage. And that showed them that he can handle it. Now you don't want to overweight what you see at the senior bowl. But it is because last year, by the way, Tyler Steen plays guard at the senior ball. That was their first exposure to it.

And then he wasn't ready for that. But that seemed to be the one knock on Mitchell was you don't really see him in press coverage relative to Terry and Arnold. All right. Well, if you want to talk about Quinyon Mitchell and somebody who knows a little, little something about corners has a very good track record on cornerbacks and maybe had a chance to

you know share the hallways with quinionette mitchell today that would be our dear friend fran duffy who joins us right now fran how you doing bozac i'm doing great it's my favorite weekend of the year you guys know that so uh we are in the thick of things around two is underway i'm excited orange tide does that does that preface a jonathan brooks uh jaylyn wright for the Eagles in the second round here. Well, I figured with us celebrating Zach, I had to go with the Syracuse love. So I went with the orange there.

That's beautiful. That's perfect. Fran, I know that you love Quignan Mitchell. Tell us, tell us why. Yeah, I mean, he's a player that I first watched back last summer. And one of the things that I loved most about Quinyon Mitchell, right off the bat is you saw the height, weight, speed, element. And to me, when I'm watching corners, one of the first things you're looking at and trying to determine,

And, you know, what level of corner is this is, okay, can he play man from press coverage? Can he play man from off coverage? Can he play zone from off coverage? Can he basically do everything that is required to be a top flight outside zone corner? So you do all that from a schematic standpoint. And then you say, okay, is he athletic enough to be able to hang in man? Is he competitive enough to hang in man? And can he find and play the football?

And after watching Quignon Mitchell for like two games, I said, Yeah, like this guy checks all of the boxes. Now, the big question you had was, you know, can he play up consistently in press man coverage? He was not asked to do that much at all in at Toledo. It was under 6% of his snaps, I believe, was the final number over the course of his career was up in press coverage. And so you go down to the senior bowl and one of the first things I wanted to see. All right, Quinnia Mitchell's down here. Let's see him in press man.

And he played almost entirely press coverage. All the one-on-one reps were in press coverage. And he passed that test with flying colors. Now, what's important about it is, again, because Zach just mentioned, you don't want to overweight that small sample size, right? So you're banking on the traits that he showed in college, and then you say, okay, let's transition that over. It's not about what a guy can or can't do. It's what was he asked to do or asked not to do, right? So I think when you saw everything, the whole body of work with Quinyan Mitchell in college at Toledo,

and then you transition to the Senior Bowl, and you go to the combine, he runs four, three at six foot tall. to me he just checked all the boxes along the way. He was a top 15 player for me coming into the season. And we came out of the season. He was a top 15 player for me. So very, very exciting addition, certainly to the Seagull's defense. When you talk about the ball skills for Quinnion Mitchell, you know, 25 past deflections two years ago, 19 a year ago. It does seem kind of wild considering like he's the best player on the field and the Mac.

You would imagine that teams are not throwing at him very often. and yet when they do, he's still getting his hands on the ball. Where do his ball skills rank in the like the pantheon of guys that you have studied? I mean, it's certainly up there. I'm not going to say that it's the best I've ever seen, but it's certainly up there. I mean, definitely meets the threshold of, oh, this guy knows how to be able to finish on the football. And what I love most about it too is that there are lots of different ways to be able to make plays on the football. And most of what he did was, you know, think Asante Samuel sitting in from depth, jumping routes,

and exploding on the football. He really trusts his speed to be able to close on the catch point and make plays on the football. That's where he did most of his work. But that said, I mean, there were examples where he had to turn and run and carry a vertical route and find the football downfield. And that's where, you know, those are the plays that really make you kind of like sit up in your chair and say, okay, like you're cooking with gas here because there aren't a lot of corners that have that ability at that size to be able to turn, run, and find the football

down the field. And so that's what really got me excited about Quignon is. that, again, he can play the football in a number of different ways from a number of different techniques. I hope I'm not beating the dead horse of Quignan Mitchell against Terry and Arnold. But I bring this up because the Eagles clearly had a choice there. So from your perspective, what is the difference between the two? What kind of – I don't want to say what sets Mitchell apart from Arnold, but why would a team

have a preference with Mitchell? relative to Arnold. To me, the one big difference that, and without like looking at my notes on both guys to do a full comparison, I would say the big thing that stands out to me were Quinnian Mitchell's instincts over the course of the route. And so, you know, one thing I love to be able to watch with corners. And again, this can be a little bit tricky because these routes are our tough to find is when they are in single coverage, one-on-one, you know, whether it's man or cover three or quarters, whether they're outside the numbers, they're one-on-one, and they have to face an

intermediate route. So we'll say a route that breaks at a depth of between eight and 15 yards. So you're talking your dig routes, your comebacks, your deep curls, right? So those kind of routes, do they have the ability to match that kind of a route? Stay in the receiver's hip pocket at that depth. It's not just, hey, you know what that's a quick slant and he saw it quickly and jumped it. But it's that ability when you see that dig route to be able to, as soon as the receiver is putting his foot in the ground to break inside, immediately like stick that back foot in the ground and trigger on the throw. To me, Quinyon Mitchell had that ability to stay in the hip pocket of the receiver consistently. And that was something with Arnold. Again,

just because he was kind of new to the position, he was a safety in high school and was still kind of making that transition to corner. He would let up a little bit more separation than you would like, despite the fact that he was a pretty good athlete would give up more of that separation. So I would say that would probably be the biggest separating factor for me between those two guys. I think also Quinyan was just a little bit better at finding the football down the field. Now, I know that the production was really there for Arnold this year. And obviously, that was a big reason why he ended up going in the first round. And I do think he's a good player.

But I think that Quinyan was just a little bit more natural and a little bit more expansive in terms of how he was able to find the football and finish on it. Just for the record, the commanders at 36, taking Johnny Newton, who we just talked about, the penetrating defensive tackle from Illinois matching your orange tie, Rand. And then the Patriots after that taking your boy, Jeline Polk. Really? Yes. Interesting. My guy going early. Wow, good for that.

All your receivers going off the board early because I know it started off. We had Keon Coleman go to Buffalo and then Ladd. Mconkey go to the Chargers. So the receiver is going off early. Yeah. Everybody turning their heads away from A.D. Mitchell. Seriously? And Troy Franklin.

Let's talk about how things set up here in the second round, Fran. And let's start at offensive line. You know, the perception that there was this like really great top of the class, especially on the outside, a tackle. And there's a bit of a drop off after that. Who are some of the guys that you do like on day two? I guess I'd tackle to start with. Sure.

I think that, you know, there's a handful of guys that I think are going to be really interesting. And my guess is they're going to come off the board within the next, you know, 15 picks or so. And I think that when you're looking at Roger Rosengarten from Washington, you can, can go into Patrick Paul from Houston, Kingsley Suo Mataya from BYU. I think there are a handful of players. Brandon Coleman from TCU, Kieran Amagaji, from Yale. I don't know if he'll be round two, but maybe we get into round three.

There are a bunch of really talented players still available at that position. I would say that it's kind of like what we were, we talked about this when I came into the studio a couple weeks ago was that the talent, the influx of talent is right there in the top 20. When you get to this point, it's all the same guys you typically would see. These are all day two talents here. So some of them are going to have, they're going to have holes in their game, but a lot of reasons to be excited. But those are probably the names that first come to mind when I think of some of the tackles still available. We saw last night the Eagles had their choice of any cornerback. They could very well have their choice of any linebacker tonight. Do you view these

linebackers as second round caliber players? Any of these guys? I think that you certainly can make the make the case for Junior Colson from Michigan, just a really well-rounded player. And he doesn't have any huge holes in his game. The ball production and coverage wasn't great, but that's kind of down on the pecking order in terms of what you're really looking for at that position.

I think this is a player that sees things really well. He's got NFL size. He's strong, can take on blocks and play through contact. His ability to defeat those blocks one-on-one was impressive for a guy that, really hasn't been playing football all that long. But he's a fun player to be able to study. I think probably one of the more well-rounded linebackers in this group.

You get into Peyton Wilson from NC State. To me, maybe the most gifted of these linebackers. But obviously the big thing with him is going to be that injury history and how much he gets dinged for that. The history of the shoulders, I think he had a knee going back to high school as well. So, you know, I think you look at those two players. Edron Cooper is a player. Yeah, right.

Edron Cooper as well from Texas A&M has also been a player that has gotten a lot of buzz, really, really athletic and explosive and rangy. It doesn't play through contact as well as those other two guys that I mentioned, but he's a guy that's played a ton of special teams, and he's got that sideline to sideline range that a lot of people are looking for. I want to ask you about the defensive line because we know that the Eagles obviously value the defensive line. And if you're looking for somebody who can really contribute, the second round is a good place to find them.

I'm looking at, you know, who's available on the edge and who's available at tackle with a couple guys just having gone. Mike Hall Jr. from Ohio State. Chris Jenkins from Michigan. And then on the outside, you know, my guy, Jonah Ellis. And you got Marsha Neeland. And it seems like that's, you know, there's sort of a drop off after that. Maybe Adisa Isaac, if you're a big nitty line guy. But anybody there that sort of pops to you. Yeah, to me, Jonah Ellis is a player that I really enjoyed studying on film. He's extremely active. He's not. quite as skilled as Laetu Latu, who went in the top 15 to Indianapolis last night. He's got time. It cut from a similar cloth. I think when you're looking at like the skill set, the motor is outstanding with Jonah Ellis.

So he's a player that I enjoyed studying on film. You know, Christian Braswell is another player that, you know, he was getting some first round love coming into the season. A former big time recruit. He was a five-star kid, a four-star kid coming into Alabama. Just never really kind of like took that next step. Still, you know, he finished his career with two starts to his name. So, you know, this is a guy that I think the, you're hoping the arrow is pointing up, that he'd be a more productive pro player than he was a collegian, but the tools are absolutely there.

Bo, we got to see him down in Mobile at the Senior Bowl. Eric Watts is another guy that I think when you get into like the third round range. I think he's going to start getting some love, the kid from Yukon. He's a kind of a D&D tackle hybrid, similar in ways to Darius Robinson, who went in the first round last night to Arizona. So if you're trying to find comparisons there, That's kind of a prototype that I would imagine sort of appeals to the Eagles right now because if you're looking for like, you know, I love Joan Ellis, but if you're talking about him or like an Austin Booker type, it's a little bit duplicative with Nolan Smith, whereas if you get that guy who can be a little bit more like a Milton Williams, you're sort of filling two spots. Yeah, and that's the thing that I think everybody has to remember is that when you get to really the entire draft, but certainly when you get into day two and you get into the middle rounds, it really is all about what you're looking for specifically at all of these different skills.

And so, you know, yes, you might have similar grades on Jalick's Hunt, who's, you know, what is he, 6,5, 240 versus an Eric Watts, who's in the 270 range. Well, they are completely different players, even though they might be listed as, you know, as an edge, you know, in all of our rankings with our favorite website. I think when you're looking at these guys as football players, they are very different in terms of what they bring to the table. And so with all of these positions, it's really going to come down to, you know, what exactly you need for your team and for your scheme. Just to update you quickly, Fran, the defensive tackle run continues. The Titans taking Tavondre Sweat, the big fellow from Texas. Wow. Well, there go.

So he was, I mean, obviously, look, the, you know, the unfortunate of the arrest a couple weeks ago, kind of made people think he might go a little bit further. So he ends up in Tennessee, a little bit of a surprise there. Your previous answer was a natural transition to a question I wanted to ask you. Daniel Jeremiah from the NFL network said earlier today, most of the league agrees on the 40 to 50 top players in this class. After that, it becomes a flavor draft. From your perspective, where or what range is that drop off where it goes from,

all right, these are like the clear top guys to this is more of the eye of the beholder. So I'm a tough person to ask that question to, Zach, only because I view that basically with like every part of the draft. Because to me, like I look at, I look at all. all these players and I say, okay, you know, obviously I'm looking at a team and scheme agnostic, right? I'm always going to have an eye towards the Eagles, obviously, but the way I'm evaluating these guys is just projecting them forward to the NFL. And to me, there are only, you know, a couple guys at each position on a typical year, average, that are like scheme and position,

like agnostic. You know what? Like this guy can fit anybody. No matter what, he'll go in and be awesome. But that's why we start having conversations. Oh, well, you know, JC lay them. He might go a little bit earlier than you think. You know, those kind of conversations happen because to me, I look at it and I say, yeah, like Joe Alt is a great fit for this team, but Fawanga would be a better fit for that team, right? And you start getting into those kind of conversations. I think there are so very few players that are truly, you know, that kind of scheme versatile. And so I do think that certainly there's going to be a drop off, you know, every tier of the draft. But I think right now is like where we're looking at and say, okay, like this all,

this comes down to what a team wants and needs and then also the profile too. And that's why, you know, I was having a conversation with some people in the space about the receivers that are going to come off the board here early in the round. And we were talking about the Buffalo Bills. And you say, all right, well, you know, what are some of the guys that kind of fit them? And you could point to all of these places. You lose Stefan Diggs and Gabe Davis. You kind of like clean the slate and say, okay, they can go any type of way here. But when I look at Buffalo's drafts history under Brandon Bean and since Sean McDermott has been there,

you say, all right, well, you look at the players that they've selected in the first round, second round, third round. they've taken a lot of players that were more known for their play speed and not necessarily for the way they were athletic testers. And those guys typically, they typically fell to them, quote unquote. And it's like, okay, that's because they valued them a little bit more than everybody else. And so I was like, I don't know, I kind of feel like they might go Keon Coleman here. And lo and behold, it ended up being Keon Coleman to Buffalo. And that's, well, that's kind of how I view it, though. It's like, you know, when you get into these tiers, it's those little tiny differentiators, those little tiny tiebreakers that can say, oh, this guy's the pick versus he is not.

You can only pick one of these guys. And so to me, those tiers and those drop-offs, they happen throughout the course of the entire draft. And it starts in the middle of round one every single year. We didn't get a chance to ask you about the interior offensive lineman, Fran, Zach Frazier, Jackson Powers Johnson, Cooper Beebe, Christian Haynes, a bunch of guys who the Eagles did bring in for visits. If you're looking for someone who can, you know, compete at right guard right away, who pops there for you. I would say because Zach Frazier's been a starter at center only at West Virginia if memory serves. And I think when you look at Powers Johnson, he had a little bit more flexibility in terms of how he was used at Oregon. He was a guard until this past season when he started at center.

So I think that you look at JPJ, Jackson Powers Johnson, you say, he probably has a little bit more guard flexibility there. Christian Haynes from Yukon, a guard that I've been always high on going back to the fall when I first studied him, really, really athletic. and has some outstanding blocks on the move, one of my favorite players to watch in space in this draft. And so those would be a couple guys that come up to the top of my mind when I talk about guards. Go ahead and. I'm good.

Nothing else to do that. No, no, no, I have a lot. I thought we were at our time. I think Fran said he could stay for a little bit longer. I can hang out with you guys for a little bit. Okay. Tell us, first of all, what people can watch from you on Philadelphia Eagles.com. What do we got?

Yeah, so I would say like right now I'm doing articles every night in terms of covering each pick. So, you know, we had last night I was able to catch up with Charles Walls, the Eagles director of player personnel, caught up with him for a little bit. And, you know, just got some of his notes on Quinyan Mitchell and put some of my notes in there, some stats that stood out to me about Quinyan. And I'll kind of follow that template here over the next couple of days in terms of every single draft pick, catch up with somebody up in the draft room and then come back and write off of that. So, you know, I'm going to do that here for the next couple days. have a long film breakdown of the entire rookie class, hopefully to drop on the Eagles YouTube page in the middle of next week. So the viewers can obviously check out that article, but can you kind of give a sense of

how Charles Wells felt after that pick and what stood out to him about Quinn Young Mitchell? Yeah, I mean, the big thing is, again, kind of the total picture, right? And the entire body of work, that was something that Charles had mentioned was just, you know, this is a player that every step along the way, you felt good about it. you loved what you saw from him at Toledo and this is a guy that didn't back down from a challenge when they went up against Ohio State and Illinois and you know but dominated the level of competition that he was at and that's the thing is you know I was talking with somebody in the office actually just a little bit ago

ago it's like how small because they're not like a big college football fan Toledo like do they put like NFL players in I'm like well I mean the Mac has put some good players into the NFL in recent years I mean Cleal Mac was the third overall pick Eric Fisher was the number one pick Antonio Brown Ben Rathleth or Randy Moss came out of the Mac. I mean, there's some great players that come from that conference. So, you know, I think when you look at Quinion Mitchell, going back to what Charles was saying, the senior bowl was great to be able to just go down and say, like, okay, like,

seeing him against the level of competition and seeing him go up against those guys and dominate the way he did. I mean, Bo, you and I watch it. He was the best player on the field when he was out there. And so seeing him dominate in that way, that made you feel better about the, about the projection moving forward to the NFL. I have the very specific memory. talked about last night of that the interception he made.

I think it was in team drills. And then he sort of takes it all the way like 100 yards back to the house and just the like the speed that he showed and the like the competitive zeal as as Zach might say. It sort of was on display like last night in the the phone call with Nick Siriani and Harry Roseman and Jeffrey Lurie and then even talking today. Like this is a guy who who sort of comes across as like meaning meaning serious business. Yeah. he's definitely one of those you know it's this is a business to him and he takes it very very seriously

and you can see that just by the way that honestly you can see a lot of that through film and it may seem silly but a lot of times you can see the guys that really take their stuff seriously when it comes to the way that they play whether it's you know the high motor plays necessarily or necessarily also

the way they see things and you know I think when you watch Quinyan the way that he breaks on throws there was a play that I'm hoping to be able to break down for that segment that I referenced. They were playing bowling green this past season. And it was a one point game, less than a minute left. It was fourth and 14 around the middle of the field. And they called a what we call a dagger concept where you have a bunch of vertical routes inside. You're running a deep in cut in the middle of the field. They're hoping to get the first down. It's fourth and fourth and 14.

Quinnian read it the entire way, jumped the route, got the pass break up. He tried to make like a really acrobatic like catch like behind the, you behind his body and ended up falling incomplete. but balls on the ground, game over, the team goes nuts. And again, that's kind of what you're, you want your guys to be able to step up and make big plays when their numbers called in a crunch time moment to see Quinnian come through with that. That was a play that kind of stands out in terms of his ability to understand, hey, this is what the offense is likely to call in this situation. They know what coverage were in.

What are they likely to call here? Once I see this route break, I know this is what the play is. And so often he was basically like beating receivers to the catch point. There was an interception he had in 2022 against Eastern Michigan on a quick hit route where he read it so fast, where he was essentially standing there at the catch point. The ball hit him in the chest because he beat the ball there so quickly. And that's where that four three speed shows up as well. Well, we have some news here as Mike Garifalo has just broken. So the Rams traded up to take Braden Fiskey.

And now the Eagles have moved up. They are on the clock at 40. Can you stay with us, Fran, to find out who this is going to be for? Yeah, let's do it. Let's see who this is. I'm excited. They're on the clock at 40. Now, there has been this huge run of defensive tackles.

If they are trying to get involved in the defensive tackle run, Mike Hall and Chris Jenkins, both still on the board. If it's a wide receiver, Troy Franklin and A.D. Mitchell are available. Roman Wilson as well. If it's the running back, Jonathan Brooks, basically pick your running back. They could do what they did at corner. They can do the same thing at linebacker. And I think that would be really interesting if they're moving up here for Junior Colson

or Edgeron Cooper. or somebody else. If it's an edge, we talked about it already. Jonah Ellis is a possibility. Marshawn Neeland, all of the offensive linemen are still available. And Zach talked about it.

It could be for Cooper DeGine. You think they could play together, Fran, would there be a spot for Cooper DeGine on this team? Well, and that's the thing with Cooper DeGine is that sometimes he has been viewed by, differently by some people. Some viewed him as a slot corner or as a safety moving forward to the NFL.

And so depending on how you view him, yeah, you might be able to say, those guys can play together at the same time. And so he's a player of Zach, kind of what we were referencing earlier. It just comes down to what you need for your particular roster and for your scheme that you're deploying.

It's going to be the gene. I'm not reporting. That's out there from Jordan Schultz from Jonathan Jones. That the Eagles are going to go with Cooper DeGene. So we will see what the pick is in. Wow. Here we go. It is Cooper DeGine. Zach. Nice job.

I know you didn't break this one. but you called it at the start of the round. You said if they're going to move up, it's going to be for Cooper de Jean. To me, that requires a Zach. Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, stop, please stop. This is even more, maybe even more impressive. The night of Zach, the weekend of Zach continues.

Wow, they, this is the echoes. Eagles are taking Cooper to Jean. The echo of Lido Shepherd, Sheldon Brown, Michael Lewis. They're going Cooper DeGine. What do you make of it, France? Yeah, I mean, Cooper DeGine is one of my favorite players to watch on film guys. He was right there, you know, with Quigionne Mitchell for me. And what I love about Cooper Dijian is that there are a lot of ways that he can find NFL success. And I do think that he can play corner in the NFL, but I also think he can be a really successful inside player as well. And so I'm interested to hear from, from Howie Roseman and from the coaching staff and see how they're viewed. But I think when you look at Cooper Dijian, one of the best run defenders, certainly in terms of his ability, to come downhill and play extremely competitive, really instinctive, outstanding ball skills.

And again, that's kind of a lot of things we talked about with Quignan. I think you mentioned here with Dijin, his ability to make plays on the football, playing in man, playing in zone. They were obviously a heavy zone defense. But the other big thing with him is that he's a big play to happen whenever the ball is in his hand. So a lot to be excited about certainly with Cooper DeGine. This is very, very interesting. What do you think, Zach?

So I, for full disclosure, I sent a text earlier today to Bowen-Less, and I say, I'd be aggressive trying to get the gene and have a second, and have a second building block in the secondary. My view on this is a few things here. And I said this at the top of the show. Focus on the value, not on the position. If Cooper the gene, if part of the appeal to him is the versatility,

the fact that he can play corner, slot, and safety, the fact that he can help you in the return game, then he should have value for you right away. But also, the Eagles have a long-term need at cornerback. I mentioned this organization takes great pride in the 2002 draft when they took Lido Shepard, Sheldon Brown, and Michael Lewis, when Lido Shepard and Sheldon Brown did not have starting spots. And then a few years later, they're in the Super Bowl and who's starting for them? Lido Shepard and Sheldon Brown, okay, because you go with value, you look ahead. If Cooper, Dejean is the player that I think he is, that, you know, many people evaluating the draft

think he is, then to get him at the number 40 overall pick makes a lot of sense to me. It doesn't matter that you took a corner yesterday because he's a versatile player who's going to help you. And if you have good football players, that's how you win. What you're trying to find is a pathway to blue chip players. And if Cooper de Gene can be a blue chip player, and that makes all the sense to me. And just to clean this up, the trade up is 50 and 53 plus one of their three fifth round picks in exchange for 40, where they took Dijin and a mid third round pick number 78. So what they have done is they have taken their two seconds, jumped up about 10, 11 spots,

and then free fall back from 53 to 78 and given up one of three fifth round picks. And the fifth round pick, there's a good chance they're going to be recouping that value at some point over the course of draft weekend. So it's an interesting gambit. I would imagine that this means that, you know, Dijin was someone who had a, a borderline first round grade on their board and it, and it sort of stood out for them.

Yeah. Typically, you would hear that when any general manager is going to make a trade like that at the top of the second round, it's typically because, hey, this guy held a high grade for us. And so that would be my expectation as well. I guess the only other thing to talk about is the concern that we had over the course of the last month or so. I mean, there has not been a team in the NFL that made the Super Bowl with two white players and they're starting secondary.

So does this mean the end of the line for Reed Blankenship? That sounds like a conversation for another day for you. Friend, thank you so much. You've got work to do. I feel like this is a happy time for you, two of your favorite guys in the class. Yeah, so two guys that I thought were top 20 players in the class. So very, very exciting, certainly. And look, this is a defense that is getting younger.

It's going to be fun to see how it all shakes out. Follow Fran on Twitter at Eagles XOs. And check out all he's got coming on Philadelphia Eagles.com. Thank you, Fran. Thanks, guys. Talk to you soon. Looking sharp. Thank you, Fran.

Zach, a nice call. Well, yeah, I mean, look, I don't want to be in the tank for the organization here. Look at Brandon Graham, by the way. Brandon Graham announcing this in his hometown. But this is the move that I said I would make if I were. Wait a second. Does that mean that Brandon Graham is missing football tonight too? Yes.

Yes. Yeah, that is true. Do we have an update on your game? We do. I got a text from my fellow coach here. Yeah? We lost. But we had two real good completions and two touchdowns.

So a respectable into the season. Oh, that was the last game? Oh, I'm sorry. No problem. So Cooper to Jean. Okay. six feet, 202 pounds,

21 years old. I think he got dinged a bit in the pre-draft process because he was battling an injury. You did not have the standardized testing for him.

I said in our Combine podcast that if he was participating that week, then I think his stock would have shot up. He was on Bruce Feldman's freak list.

He has great ball skills. He can play around the formation. The more I watched him during this, the more I liked him. I think that he could be your day one starter in the slide. I think he can help you at safety. The reason I said the Eagles should be aggressive doing this is because I thought this was a first round caliber player

that you can get in the second round. To get that at 40, it strikes me as tremendous value. I acknowledge you should not overrate your evaluation, right? The league spoke here. 39 picks went off the board. Cooper de Gene was not one of them. But sometimes when a player's dealing with an injury in the pre-draft process,

And you saw this with Landon Dickerson. It was a little different. But when the team doesn't have the, when teams don't have the full body of information, they can ding a player there. And I look here, the comparison being Malcolm Jenkins, Malcolm Jenkins, an outside corner at Ohio State who moved the safety and was one of the best players in Eagles history. So I really like this pick. I really like the player.

It would be hypocritical of me to rip on it, given that this is, this is exactly. at what I said I would do if I were Hallie Roseman. Very interesting. What do you make of the double dip in the secondary? And sort of tell us about the idea that the Eagles are very proud of that Lido Sheldon draft. Yeah, because, well, first off, one thing the Eagles like is to laugh last. Okay? I can tell you that.

I mean, and they love to point out that how critical, how much that draft was criticized at the time. You have Bobby Taylor. You have Troy Vincent. why are you taking two corners here? Well, both those guys were older players, and the Eagles looked ahead, and they liked the value there. And those guys played a little bit early on, but they eventually took over,

and they were the best cornerback duo that the Eagles had probably in the past 25 years. So that's why they're proud of it, because they stuck us to an organizational thought. They were not operating. I say this, don't operate with the next five months in mind, operate with the next five years in mind. And that's what this does.

If you have, if it, we could be doing this show week one of the 20, 25 season and Cooper the Gene on one side and, and Quinnion Mitchell on the other. We could be doing a show at some point, too, where Cooper the Gene is your starting safety, where he's interchangeable in the slot. There's, there's so many different combinations here. And by the way, I've quoted Joe Douglas a number of times. And this goes back to the Lido Sheldon question two, where what's a love, luxury pick today is a necessity tomorrow.

Ozzie Newsom told him that. And I bring that up because Darius Lake could be out for six weeks at some point, right? Who's stepping in? Is it Keeley Ringo? Is it Eli Ricks? I'm not sure James Bradbury's on the team this year. It could very well be Cooper. I think he's probably not at this point.

Yeah, it could very well be Cooper to Gene. So I like the pick. And again, I stand by this. If he had athletic testing, I think he would have been higher up on boards. Well, he tested his pro. He had a pro day and he had a good pro day. He had a very good pro day. Yes.

It's funny now because Koolaid McKinstree from Alabama goes the next pick to the New Orleans Saints. And would you rather have Quinead, Mitchell, and Cooper, Dijin, or just recreate the Alabama secondary and have Terry and Arnold and Koolaid McKinstree. I would rather have Mitchell and DeGine because of the G. If you're taking two, I want one to be able to play all over. Well, I think Arnold can play all over. Okay. Fair enough.

Okay. So, look, I tend to trust. It's just interesting, yeah. I tend to dress for big schools, but there's a reason why in those 27 notes I put up, I said I thought the most likely player for them was Cooper DeGine because I thought Cooper DeGine makes sense. I heard things before the draft that he's someone they liked. Clearly they didn't like him enough to take him in the first round, although perhaps

if the board fell differently, they would have. They liked him enough to be aggressive. And when I talked about those bold predictions that I had, the trade details like you mentioned, the Eagles give up 50, 53 and 161, you get 40, 78, and 152. I said I could see them trading up in the first round and then trading big. back to the third. I'm sorry, trading up in the second and back to the third. And that's what you saw them do here. I believe this is a huge swing for you in duck, duck juice. It might be even, it might be at a range now. I might be dormy. I mean, because I think you have safety as well

in two corners. So whatever position he plays. Very interesting. Very interesting. We're going to have a lot of work to do on nicknames for Cooper DeGine of the Reed Blankenship variety. You're so fixated on the on that part of it. Well, I mean, how could you not note that there have not been any, like, white cornerbacks of note for over a decade? That's a real thing. Riley Moss catching shade, huh?

Yeah. Yeah, I don't think Riley Moss is trotting out there in the Super Bowl. Cooper Sharp DeGine. I don't know. I mean, it's like a white cheese. Does that work? I don't know.

Maybe. I mean, Riley Cooper dejean is the obvious one, but we don't want to put that on. Rich thinks here. Yeah, we'll bring in Rich. Handsome Rich pretty soon. very interesting now kamar lasseter going off the board the corner from Georgia to the houston texan so this is nice we got a nice little uh we can buckle in we're

going to be here all night yes we are we we know that because now they'll be drafting in the in the third round we were going to be doing the third round anyway we know that come on no but i'm saying i will be here i'm not going to rush over we know how yours was yeah i mean Zach Zach Zach this is all right you uh would you like to would you like to flash up our our guys which we we didn't get to sure the draft we have our guys at each position position. So let's do Zach first. It's it's Zach Day. That's not Zach Day. At quarterback. You take it. You take us through. Okay. Yeah. So at quarterback here, and the reason I'm looking to my left is because the TV's on the left here, Michael Panix Jr., who clearly was Terry Fontinette's

quarterback as well, but also there were, there were that a few other teams were interested in trading up, including the Saints for him. Braylon Allen is the running back that I really love. I talked about him, the youngest player in this draft, big physical back, probably doesn't run with the same power that, or the power you would like to see for someone his size. But I also think that I liked his first two years at Wisconsin. They had a coaching change last year, ran a little differently, more out of the shotgun. Now, he would run out of the shotgun here. But I think if you're just looking at talent, I really like Brayland Allen. Troy Franklin, I've gone on record about Troy Franklin.

He checks a lot of boxes for me in terms of size, speed production. The knock on him is that he's on the slighter side, but he had, he had, what, 18 catches, or I'm sorry, eight catches of 40 plus yards last year. I saw him running past people at 178 pounds. Jared Wiley, who I think is an underrated tight end here, I think he can be a part of a, he can push to be a starting tight end places

and can certainly be a good number two tight end. TCU transferred from Texas. Blake Fisher. I've been all over the Blake Fisher trained throughout this pre-draft process. Blake Fisher was a day one starter at Notre Dame at left tackle. He got hurt. Joe Alt took over. They moved him the right tackle.

Every Blake Fisher evaluation seems to be including Joel in there. If you just look at him from an isolated perspective, 6'4.6, 310, he's got good feet. I think there's a player there that you can mold. He's on the younger side. He's been consistent at right tackle.

I think that could be a steal. Tanner Bordellini, Tanner Bordellini, just from an athletic perspective, really like him, can play three spots on the offensive line. I don't want to compare

anyone to Jason Kelsey, but when you see him move in space, it's rare for that size, or it's rare for that position. Muhammad Kamara, Boa would call him an old. You know what I would call him? Tough as nails, okay?

This guy's from Newark, New Jersey. He gets after it. Good food city. Yeah, Hobbies Deli, actually. Really like Hobby's Deli. He had great meals there with Andy McCullough. and Matt Gell, a number of times.

So, yeah, shout out the Hobbies Dowie and Mark Corrig and Mike Garifolo and Jenny Vrentas, Connor Moore, so many people from the Star-Ledger. We had a loaded staff back then. I don't want to leave anyone out. Mike Vorkenov, there's so many good people back then. Yeah, so Mohammed Kamara can absolutely get after the quarterback. And he's going to be 24, 25 this year. But if you're looking at it from a four-year deal, it's a situational pass.

rusher, you can do a lot worse as your fourth edge rusher. Mason Smith. Mason Smith's kind of on the other end of the spectrum. Mason Smith is all tools. Six, six, six, three, ten, I think. I think I said that for Blake Fisher, but Mason Smith is around that. I think you had like five or six D-line coaches in his time at LSU. Never really had consistency. Was a big time recruit, was it was real productive as a freshman, got hurt as a sophomore. Going into the year, if you look at Dame Bruegler's early mock drafts, that comes out after the draft was expected to be a first-round pick. I think he has tools that can be developed there.

Linebacker, Jeremiah Trotter, Jr., what more do I need to say? St. Joe's prep. That way. Okay? Yes. And I just think he has instincts. He reminds me a lot of Nikobi Dean, and I like Nikobo Dien coming out of Georgia. He doesn't have the size, doesn't have the speed, but he can flat out play.

My favorite guy in the draft is the cornerback on this list. Mike Sanders still. or Mikey Santer Still, I should say. You win with players like Mike or Santerstil. He just makes winning plays. He did it for the national champions. He was the best defensive player on the national... What are you laughing at?

You're on such a heater. He was the best defensive player on the national championship team. Okay? He's getting knocked for his size. He's played this position for like two or three years, and the instincts are off the charts. The toughness is off the charts. Like, you win with guys like him.

I would, I'm putting, I'm pounding the table for Mikey Sanders Joe. Okay. Kalen Bullock at safety. Camel Mollick plays like a cornerback. I think I said on the show, we had Devin Jackson in here sitting right where Rich is. And I said, you know what? If you like Andre Waters, if you like Wes Hopkins, you will not like Kalam Bullock. But if you like the way football was played in 2024 where you want a safety who has range,

this guy can run sideline and the sideline. He covers like a corner, okay, 6-3-190. He makes plays on the ball. So, yeah, you hear the energy in my voice because these are guys that I would pound the table for, okay? That's why they are back's guys. Yes. Wow. Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, let's get in the chat.

Welcome to the show, handsome Rich. How are you doing? I'm doing great. Zach, that was unbelievable. I mean, I know we've been chanting your name for about 24 hours now, but that was, wow, that was a monologue in a hand. Sorry. That was too much. Okay.

And a nice comment in the chat from, I believe, the FIL who says that the best thing about Zach is among all of this on three hours of sleep, he's going to Sloan's early morning program this morning. Oh, yeah. I wouldn't miss that. Says you the best. Well, who said that? Is my father, I'm on the chat? He said, oh, thank you, David. I appreciate that.

Yeah, that was, that was. Emily said to me the other day someone had something at school, I always take care of it. Fridays and they had a program and Emily said you don't have to be there and I said don't have to I want to be there this is like the joy of my life to be there so yeah we had a great uh coffee date she gets a cake pop I you know I I coffee we talk about the week in the weekend then I went to her school is the highlight of my day to be frank with you I love this show I love seeing everyone here but that's those 30 minutes with stolen with the highlight of my day how sweet is that yeah it's awesome there must be a lot of seats at that hobby's deli like they got some big table

We didn't all go together. But that was the spot that was right by the Star Ledger office. There's also Dinosaur barbecue there in Newark, New Jersey. So, I mean, it's not the best food city. But I mean, you can find good meals wherever you look. We don't need to go down this rabbit hole again. Your boy, Max Melton, going off the board to your boy, Johnny Gans. So a good match bed in heaven there.

I wonder if the Eagles were trying to jump the Cardinals because there was a school of thought that the Cardinals. Several corners went in a row after the Eagles took Dijin. It went McKinstree, then Lasseter, then Max Melton. So the Eagles, to their credit, did get a jump on that run. Yep. What do you make of the Cooper Dijian edition? It's 2002 all over again, man. Right?

Get your blackberries out. Maybe some iPods. Yep. You know. I'm going to stay away from the rest of the things ever going on in 2002. Go ahead. Sure. Get some foreign policy on there.

So I guess one of these guys has to be good, right? Yeah, exactly. You know, throw two and hope you get one. It's exciting. I mean, I think one of the stories of this draft, though, Bo, and I think it's something we've seen with both Eagles picks so far, is that like the defensive backs have dropped from where a lot of the mock drafts had them going, right? You know, the Eagles able to get Quinnian Mitchell,

who frankly, a lot of people did not even think was a possibility unless they traded up at their original pick. And then, you know, they trade up, what, 10 spots in the second round and get Cooper DeGine, who I think a lot of people thought was the stick and pick guy. And so, you know, I do think like when you look at this, it broke where the defensive backs just kept dropping and dropping and dropping. And, you know, I just looked at Dane Bruegler's top available list. They get two guys in the top 25, 26. I forget where DeGine is. He's right around there. It's pretty good.

Pro football focus had him as like a top 15 player. So. Okay. Well, the guy I talked to on the street. he had him as a, you know, bottom 40 player. Okay. Just giving context, but... I'm just saying, those two things are not the same. Take a Dean Bruegler.

Let's not throw the other stuff in there. I will say, too, when NFL Network cut to Malcolm Jenkins is the cop, I was in right away. Well, right, exactly. White Malcolm, like... Sure. You know, I don't know that we need to put that on him. It's like the Kvon Wallace is Brian Dawkins all of a sudden, but... Yeah, I think...

I mean, I think from a, from a process standpoint, this is all pretty interesting. And it goes to like the, you know, you talked about the Eagles like to laugh last, Zach. Yep. Like they're a little bit rabid-eared at times. And so like the perception that now they don't care about the secondary for them to go out and double down here. I think it I think it probably matches their board. I don't think they're doing something they shouldn't be doing necessarily. But it's a nice little narrative for them to spin.

Absolutely. And, you know, they are sticking to their board for sure. Sorry, Vince is texting me. Am I allowed to read Vince's because Vince and I were texting earlier today. And I said to him, I'd package 50 and 53 to move up and round two, down to round two, three, try to get the G. Okay. And Vince loves the wheel and deal. Yeah. He loves it. Oh, that's what he said or what you said. That's what I said. That's what you said. Okay. So what is Vince texting you about? So he said it was the trade that we talked about. He's so happy. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Shout out to Viz. I'm sorry. That's why I was looking at my phone. So Vince is texting you and you're just reading the text that you sent this afternoon. All right. Let's, let's keep going on the conversation. Well, I thought Vince was bringing something to the table here. No, I wanted to tell you why I was looking at my, I'm sorry.

I'm trying to do a show, tweet to the audience, respond to text here. Yeah. The tweet, you know, we can we can talk about how necessary that is. But, you know, I mean. yourself a banner. What's that? Banners, banner fly forever. Keep going. I also would say, too, as somebody who has watched a decent amount of Iowa football,

I like anybody that played defense for them, because the pressure that you have, not just to hold the other team to a shutout, but actually to score some points yourself, too, is unmatched, right? And you would hope somebody who's now playing with Jalen Hertz and A.J. Brown and DeVante Smith and all these guys, I mean, he might, it might be a whole new world for him honestly. I can give up a catch every once in a while. Why were you watching so much Iowa football? Yeah, I was curious about that too. You'd love Phil Parker? Yeah. Good for you.

Great defense coordinator. They're always the 12 o'clock game. That's true. They're always like the bad 12 o'clock. But they're so unexciting. Like, they're playing 12. I love the like Caitlin Clark scored more points than the Iowa football team. Sure, I love those sweetweets. And that became like a very popular thing on Twitter. All the college football people loved pointing out.

Wasn't there a, uh, it was Kirk Ferrence's son needed to score a certain Yeah, Brian Farron's, yeah. They need to score a certain amount of points for him to keep his job, and they failed. They failed, yeah. They're a tough watch. All right. Before we keep going, let's talk about our friends at Butcher Box who are making so much of this happen for us this weekend.

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Did you guys see the Jerry Jones press conference from my side? I did. Yes. Do you think that was a leverage play? Or do you think that was... I do not think that was somebody operating at a another level. I think that was somebody operating at a lower level. Okay.

You saw where they had them. We had them high, high, high. Yeah. Very funny. Well, they missed out on Jonathan Brooks. Do you think he was the best running back in the draft? I had him at the top. But I didn't feel super strongly about it.

Giants are taking Tyler Nubin. Ooh, Tyler Nubin, the safety, who is more of a center fielder, less of a tackler, but good ball skills for Minnesota. Interesting. So, Zach, where do you think this leaves the Eagles now as we wait about 30 picks or so before their next selection? Where do you think they're eye in? Well, it depends just on the poor. Position-wise.

Not a long. Yeah. Yeah, I would imagine an offensive line. That would be my guess. I think you can find a good interior offensive line at that spot. Maybe a developmental tackle if one drops. So were you off the wide receiver? Yeah.

Yeah, I'm off the wide. I'm going to miss that prediction there. I'm off the wide receiver. You know, maybe, look, they go with Paris Campbell. Maybe they think there's depth in this class that they can get one in round four, perhaps. But, yeah, I would imagine offensive line is going to be a priority here. So we have a super chat from threat level midnight who wanted us to do a depth chart of the secondary. So do we have that graphic from today of the players on the roster at cornerback and safety?

We could pull that up and sort of go through that because, boy, we were prepared. Brennan knocked this out of the park. So she knew this was coming. Here are the cornerbacks on the Eagles roster. Darius Slay, Quinion Mitchell, James Bradbury, Keeley Ringo, Avanti Maddox, Eli-Ricks, Tyler Hall, Josh Joe, Isaiah Rogers, Taiwan-Mullen, Zach McPherson, and Mario Goodrich. And then at safety, you've got C.J. Gardner, John. Johnson, Reed Blankenship, Sidney Brown working his way back from injury, and then Tristan

McCollum and maybe one other guy. Well, I'm forgetting. I'm thinking, first of all, shocking that the Eagles would go corner, corner with Isaiah Rogers back. I thought that was going to take corner off their board at the top of the draft. But I would expect that James Bradbury's time with Eagles is over. Yes. Yes.

I think they're probably going to just June 1st. Poor James Brett. This always happens post-draft with him. I know. I feel bad. Great guy. Yeah. From my interactions.

I don't think that anybody's given anything up for him necessarily unless the Eagles are taken on like all of the money. So that's the most likely scenario. I think week one you're probably looking at Quinnian Mitchell on the outside with Darius Slay. I don't know if they're doing like Dijian week one inside if Avanti Maddox is here. Now, if Fonten Maddox may not make the team now, it's possible. if the gene shows that he's ready for prime time. And then at safety, I still imagine that it would be Garner Johnson and Blankenship, week one.

Yes. With Sidney Brown working his way back. So I agree with you on safety. What's going to be interesting and we'll hear from Hallie Roseman later tonight. And we'll talk about that on tomorrow's show as well. But regarding Quignon Mitchell last night, he said they just wanted him to focus on the outside. They didn't want to put too much on his plate early, right? I'm curious if they take the same approach with the gene or because of his experience around the formation,

they try him in a handful of spots. Like, I don't think you're maximizing Cooper DeGine if he's your number three, number four corner on the outside, right? If him and Keely Ringo are competing to be the top backup behind Slay. I think you're maximizing DeGine this year if he's competing to be your slot, if he's helping out of safety, and you know that he can play on the outside. But I would use him at all three spots.

I wouldn't be afraid of putting too much on his plate early because this is part of the value of getting Cooper to Jean. If the value in getting Quignon Mitchell is that he can be a day one starter on the outside, I think the value in getting the Gene is that he can play multiple spots. Well, and if you're just thinking long-term big picture, like having DeGine and C.J. Garner Johnson on the field at the same time, when you can disguise who's doing one, two guys, you can both do everything in the secondary.

Obviously, that's going to be helpful to Vic Van Gogh. It just seems like a lot of guys who we thought were going to figure into the secondary might find themselves kind of on the outside looking at least a start. I mean, Sidney Brown when he returns is, you know, is he going to play a ton of Avanti? Like Kili Ringo, obviously, was somebody who before the draft was the other corner probably outside of Darius Lay. Like that guy's probably not getting on the field if everybody here is healthy.

So it's a crazy room. I mean, they have some depth and they have a couple of guys in Gardner Johnson and Dijin they can play multiple positions too. So, you know, if Vic Fangio can like disguise, and that is his thing, right? It's show the offense the same picture before. And then post-knit motion afterwards, seems like he's got a lot of tools

in the secondary to do that. So I'm thrilled to have Rich on this set for many reasons. He's awesome to have here, but also because he won't roll my eyes when he won't roll his eyes when I use this term, positionless football. And I say because Rich has covered the NBA,

Rich knows, Rich has seen Eric Spolster in action. Okay, he knows heat culture. He's seen the positionless basketball. He's rolling his eyes. No, no, no, no. And so what you want there is the Eagles can have four guys in the middle of their defense.

And you don't know on a given snap, who's playing safety or who's playing slot, okay? You have these versatile chess pieces. You can disguise. You can have some guys dropping, you know, a play, play deep. You can have some guys cover the slot receiver. You're going to cause this quarterback headaches because you have positionless players. No, they don't, they have positions.

When I say positionless, I mean, positionless doesn't mean they don't have, I guess, by definition it means they don't have position. What it is is that you're not so. You're talking just about versatility. Yeah. You're talking about in the NBA, you can guard one through five, right? That's what they say, positionless players. Okay, you can guard one through five.

when Eric's Postra, everything changed to Miami when they stopped announcing positions in the starting lineup. And they just said, they just said, LeBron and Bosch and Wade, right? And Chalmers and Shane Badiere. And these guys were playing all,

you know, they were switching everything. It didn't matter who was taking up the ball. Sometimes it'd be LeBron, sometimes be Wade, sometimes it'd be Chalmers, sometimes be Bosch, right? Yeah,

That's what you can have. So the Eagles basketball team is going to be very good. That's what you can have with these safeties and slots. That's my point. If you're the quarterback, all right, before the snap, you don't know who's the slot, who's the safety. They can all mix around. That's positionless football.

I mean, go ahead, Rich. I mean, I think the August shows that you guys do from training camp, this is going to be the biggest story, though. That's kind of who is playing where. You can have the positionless argument a little bit more. I'm going to refrain from that. I mean, Zach gave a very good history of the big three and kind of, you know, that second season, Shane Badiere,

moving him to the four, big deal. Chris Bosch, very underrated player, his versatility. I don't know. I don't know who is that, who's the Bosch and this element. Maybe it's DeGine. I don't know. But I do think there is a chance that the secondary becomes like one of the biggest stories of this season

in that number one, it's who's playing. That's kind of the training camp, the offseason story. and then when the season actually starts, kind of what Zach was talking about, how is Vic Fangio deploying these guys? So I am excited for that. It's certainly, you know, I was kind of hoping for a linebacker today

as just kind of like, that is the biggest hole on the roster. But in terms of potentially like adding an exciting player, adding an exciting element to your team, I can't really argue with this. I wouldn't be opposed to putting the gene as like a dime linebacker. It's a good tackler, right? As a dime linebacker.

So you have no linebackers the field. Well, he would take that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, he can, he has, he can play and run fits, right? Um, he can cover tight ends. Yeah. Wouldn't be the worst idea in the world. Well, I think you would be more likely to do that as like a nickel. Okay. So there's another linebacker on the field, but yeah. Okay. Yeah. Well, have you looked at this linebacker debt. Who's, uh, uh, typecasting on race now, put the white guy at linebacker. How was that type? casting on race that is talking about his versatility has nothing that has nothing that has nothing to do with race at all that car already made him nick gary i do think the other the other like the other

the other uh serious consideration here long term is like you know darius sleigh probably has one year left yeah yes as a starting caliber player and there's a chance that he goes over the edge quickly or is unable to stay healthy, in which case you can just play Cooper DeGine on the outside or maybe you play Keylet Ringgo on the outside. But like, I think the Eagles are part of the reason they're willing to do this is because they're clear-headed about Darius Lay's future.

Going into the draft, what did you think of the gene? Because it was me doing more than the did, of the gene talking in our conversations. I liked him. I didn't love him. Okay. And why not? Because the, Like, versatility as the main selling point is something that always makes my antenna come up a little bit. Like, I'd rather have somebody who's great at something than someone who's good at a lot of things.

And when we watched him with Coach Flynn, like, I didn't see the man-to-man like mirroring skills. He seems like a very good, like, aware zone player. But just to my eye was not a guy who was worth a first round pick. Interesting. Okay. So you disagreed with the consensus there. Well, he didn't go in the first round, so I didn't disagree with the NFL's consensus. No, sure.

I was lower. I was lower on him than pre-draft consensus, yes. Okay. Okay. One other element, because we talked about this on a pod, that having players who are good with the ball in their hands for kickoffs, this could be somebody who figures in, right? Well, said, dynamic returner at Iowa, like absolutely dynamic. and we talked about the different styles in the return game without knowing him well,

I think he could potentially fit as the as the kickoff returner. Like the comment that you're making him the next Nate Gary and then somebody said, Nate Gary was a positionless player just not in the way that you want. Nick Gary, catch a strays. In the chat. I don't know if Nick Gary was a positionist players. They changed his position,

but they didn't use him as a versatile chess piece. No, no, that's her point. Okay. In the comment is that he didn't have a position because he couldn't play a position. Okay. Just a shot? Yeah. Just.

Okay. He didn't get him. Just a shot. Yeah. Just. Nate Gary, you're watching in South Dakota. By the way, he was, actually, according to his Wikipedia, he was born in Louisiana, Cooper DeGene.

but I think for a period of time he was in South Dakota. But I bring him Nate Gary's South Dakota High School exploits were once covered by Bowulf. Were they? Or maybe middle school. I don't know. Nate Garry's? I don't know. That's actually not true.

Sorry. I'll tell you all fair. Are you thinking about Goddard? No, no, no, no. Sammer still. There we go. Look at that. Man, the Eagles don't have a thing.

I mean, Paris Campbell is going to have a nice. Nightmares gone against Mike Sanders stuff. I don't know that Paris came. I mean, Paris Camel might be having nightmares, but I don't know that it's going to be because of Mike Santer still. I mean, look at this guy. Just for everybody who is not watching the draft, he's going number 50 to the Washington command.

So at the Eagles pick, interestingly enough. Yes. Look at the way, look at the tackling in an alley. Okay. I mean, this is him as a wide receiver in Michigan before the position change. Natural hands. You see where those ball skills come. Here he is in coverage here.

Spotlighted. stride for stride making a play on the ball right there. I mean, the instincts for a guy who's only played the position two years, look at that, the physicality, the toughness, the body adjustment to make the interception there. That's against TCU, I believe it was. Yeah, no wonder Washington's happy. That was a great pick.

Okay. How about I give you the full Dan Bruegler, Cooper DeGene background? Let's hear. Let's do it. Cooper deGene. Yeah. Yeah, and yeah, the highlights of him as a basketball player are fun. Although, although like...

The competition. Can somebody stop the ball? Like, come on, man. It looks like he is the tallest player on the court in those. I don't know. What is that? South Dakota basketball. I don't know.

It looks like it's Iowa, but I think it looks like it. I mean, he's playing against, like, guys like me. Like, nobody can even compare. I mean, it's them athletically. It's very funny. He's still throwing down some really nice dunks. But, yeah, like, if he was playing in the Philadelphia Catholic League, I'm not sure he's getting all the way to cup on those.

on those places. Oh, shots fired. Yeah. Hey, look, you got to, I know. Now,

this is interesting. The pronunciation here from Dan Brewer is Dijin. Ooh. Not Cooper Dijin. Cooper Dijin. Okay.

Dijin. Yeah. I didn't know that. No, Cooper Dijin. Dijin. The oldest of three boys was born in Sioux Falls,

South Dakota. I grew up in Oldebolt, a small town, population of less than a thousand in western Iowa, 70 miles from the Nebraska border. He competed in multiple sports throughout childhood, mainly baseball, basketball, and football. Basketball was his first love, and he quickly became one of the best AAU players in the state.

He also played local and travel football and saw time at multiple positions, mostly running back. Dijin attended Oa B-C-I-G High School, which includes four local towns, Odebolt, Arthur, Battle Creek, and Ida Grove. After seeing minimal varsity action as a freshman, he started as a sophomore wide receiver and earned all state honors with 66 receptions for 100, for 1,0 23 yards, and 12 touchdown. So he has a 60 catch season to his resume, adding an interception at defensive back. As a junior, D. Jean moved to quarterback and led OA, B, CIG to an undefeated 13-0 record in the 2019 2A State Championship, the first state title in school history. He finished that season with 3,546 passing yards, 1292 rushing yards, and 66 offensive touchdowns broken up between 42 passing and 24 rushing.

Plus, 34 tackles and five interceptions, two of them returned for a touchdown on defense and a pair of punt return touchdowns. He earned first team all state and all district honors and was named district MVP. As a senior Dijin led the team to another undefeated record and the 2020 state title, including a legendary performance in the state championship game for his final season, his third season as a captain, he passed for 3,447 yards, rushed for 1,235 yards, and accounted for 59 offensive touchdowns, 35 passing 24 rushing. On defense, Dijin finished with 54 tackles and three interceptions. He again earned first team all state and all district honors and was named Iowa Gatorade player of the year.

Dijin departed OABCIG with numerous school records including career passing yards and career passing touchdowns. His all-purpose yards as a junior and senior ranked second and third respectively in state history. He was a four sports standout in high school and also lettered in baseball, basketball, and track. On the basketball court, he was one of the most productive players in the state and finished his senior year with averages of 25.9 points, 7.9 rebounds, and 7.1 assists per game. D. Jean closed his basketball career with 1,832 total points, 58 points behind T.J. Hawkinson. In track, he won the state championship as a senior in the long jump at 100 meters and finished second in the 200 meters. He posted personal bests of 10.6.

six seconds in the 100 meters 21.92 in the 224 feet, two inches in the long jump. A four-star recruit, Dijin, was the number 26 safety in the 2021 recruiting class, and the number six recruit in Iowa. His first scholarship offer came from Iowa Western and several FCS programs, including North Dakota State. Dijin visited Iowa for junior day in January 2020 and left with his first FBS offer. He committed to the Hawkeyes two months later and shut down his recruitment prior to his senior season. Dijin was the number three recruit in head coach Kirk Ferrence's 2021 class.

Both of his parents were college athletes. His dad, Jason, who was an assistant coach on the high school football team, played basketball at Huron University in South Dakota. His mom, Katie, played softball at Briarcliff and Huron. Dijin's younger brother Beckett finished his freshman season in 2003 as a defensive back at FC. South Dakota. His youngest brother Jacks is a rising sophomore in high school and next up in the family pipeline

to play college football. Dejean elected to skip his senior season and enter a 2024 draft. Now we get to the scouting report. Strengths. Good-sized athlete with above-average speed. He was a member of the Bruce Feldman Freaks list.

Alert, disciplined, and smooth in his movements which allow him to use a variety of techniques from bail, press, and mirror, and on and on down the line. Anticipates well and credits his time as a high school quarterback for developing his feet in coverage. Finds the football and produces receiver-like plays at the catch point. Does fun things with the ball in his hands, return three of his seven career interceptions for touchdowns, and saw a handful of offensive snaps in 2003 and was poised for more before

his injury. Plays physical, regardless of the down and receivers know they're in for a dog fight. reliable run defender and plays with outstanding control and hand strength as a tackler, averaged 13.1 yards per punt return with one touchdown and had another one called back. Also was a gunner on punt coverage, humble and soft-spoken by nature, and deflex praise towards his teammates, served on the team's player council as a sophomore and junior. NFL scouts say he can channel any nerves into a competitive performance, experienced playing multiple positions in the back seven. Weaknesses.

Only average reaction bird. and first step isn't as explosive as his full strides, guilty of taking extra steps at the top of his routes or in his change of direction, giving up initial separation to receivers, not shy about grabbing to recover or getting too handsy and downfield action, suffered a broken fibula in his right leg

while practicing with the offense in November 2023, an injury which required season-ending surgery and sidelined him for most of the draft process until he was medically cleared in March. Summary, thank you for sticking with us here. A two-year starter at Iowa. DeGine was an inside-outside cornerback and defensive coordinator Phil Parker's zone heavy scheme.

He also saw snaps at safety and the Hawkeyes hybrid cash position. After matching the school record with three pick sixes in 2022, he was recognized as the Big Ten's Tatum Woodson defensive back of the year and the Rogers Dwight Return Specialist of the year in 2003, despite his late season leg injury. With his natural anticipation and coverage, Dijin is rarely out of position and uses athletic gifts and top-tier ball. to make plays.

Though he has a steady process to gather and go, his lack of initial suddenness is something he must continue to mask to limit separation at the top of his routes. Overall, Dijin is one of the best tackling defensive backs in the class and shows playmaking skills and coverage because of his athletic instincts and competitive makeup, along with an immediate

special team's role as a returner and gunner, his NFL starter quality skill set fits interchangeably at cornerback, safety, or nickel. first slash second round grade number 25 overall. And there you have it. Two small town corners. Oh, to Bold, Iowa, and Williston, Florida.

Which one's bigger? I believe Williston, Florida is a little bit bigger. Okay. Which is where Quinnian Mitchell is from. And look, man, those two places make Yazoo City, Mississippi look like the Big Apple in comparison. So, you know, maybe they can bond over that. The food city, Yazu City.

Yeah. So I've heard. Yeah. All right. Where did the other guy go? He went to a Zoom of some sort. Did he fall asleep? He's on the Cooper D. Jean conference call.

It slipped out. Nicely done. Is he live tweeting? Wow. We see where his loyalties lie. His Twitter followers over his live video audience. Meanwhile, his boy A.D. Mitchell goes to the Indianapolis

Colts at pick 52, also catching up. Zach Frazier went to the Pittsburgh Steelers at 51, the West Virginia Interior offensive lineman. That means the commander is now back on the clock at 53, which is the Eagles original pick. So, we'll find out, you know,

you're going to compare Cooper D. Jean and whoever the third round pick is to Mike Santer still and whoever the commanders take here. So how surprised were you by that pick? I mean, I wasn't as surprised as I would have been before Zach told me what's going to happen. Shout out to Zach. Over there. Over there.

Oh, and what was the answer? It was pretty hopeful. Should we play? Is now the time to play his reaction? Oh, we can play. Oh. Hold on. I'm going to need a minute.

Julia, dynamite producer that she is, thought it would be smart to have the cameras rolling. for when Zach walked in to see the sign and then did not have his reaction. I don't think he knows yet that he was being recorded. So that's okay. Did you have it rolling for all four minutes of it? I think she did. So if you guys want to do a little peek at Zach in the wild,

Julia's going to pull that together for us. Let us know when it's ready. I mean, this is very exciting stuff. The poll is overwhelmingly keep it. I would imagine I mean 84 and 16 I'm actually surprised

it's that low I think that's Zach was in the chat is basically what that tells me that it was just logging into different accounts yeah pumping it up to 16% yeah yeah uh okay

are you excited for Cooper Dejean yeah I mean it's a little bit of a weird pick I think I don't know I came into today thinking stick and pick and like one of three positions. Linebacker,

offensive line, or receiver. And they did none of those things. So, you know, I leave this thinking, you know, as you said,

when I was listening to you guys earlier, like, I do not feel good about this linebacking core. And if they had made a pick in the second round for linebacker, I would have said, okay,

this is when you are finally getting serious about this position. If it was Junior Colson, you know, somebody who you just knew was a solid player who kind of seems like a very high floor player. And I just have that 49ers game in my head from last year, man, where they're just, you know, not Christian Ellis, of course, but the other linebacker just being put in the blender and how easy it was to throw over the middle, not just in that game, but really for about a

month, really the whole year, honestly, that's not going to get fixed. Maybe it does get fixed at the end of the third round. Do you think they go there? I know Zach said offensive line. I I would probably think it was one of those two positions. I think if they want to add a starting caliber linebacker, the third round is the last chance for them to do so. Now, you know, guys can work their way up, but if it's a thing that they are eager about, but I also would be hard-pressed to believe

how he would go defense, defense, defense, all the way at the start of the draft. Where you've been, buddy? Yeah, I'm sorry. I didn't want to interrupt you. You were in the middle of speaking. That's why I was doing that. I gave you an opportunity to...

Cooper DeGene was speaking to the Philadelphia. reporters. I wanted to meet Cooper virtually. I hear what he had to say. As, as we know, had a 30 visit with the Eagles, was comfortable with them, happy where he landed. He said that he's talking about playing all three spots. And his quote was, well, I'm a football player. You put me on the field. I'm going to go play football. He was asked about, what's that? Trenching. He was, he was, he was asked about the, the lack of white cornerbacks in the NFL and, and whether that's, going to keep teams from putting him on the outside. And he said that he would love to play.

He would love that the opportunity to play on the outside. If that's what they ask him to do. If not, he'll do the best of whatever they ask him to. There was some stuff about his recovery. He says it seemed like a long time. He seems like this has been a long time since he's playing football, but he's feeling well now. He was in touch with Quignan Mitchell last night.

By coincidence, sent him a text. Congratulations now. Crazy to think that they're teammates. I asked him about the production with the ball in his hands, which is not something you typically ask, a defensive player, but, you know, he was, he had, what, three pick sixes.

Two years ago was the top returner in the Big Ten last year. And yeah, he said that that goes back to his days in high school. He loves having the ball in his hands. You don't get a lot in or on defense when he has it. He's always thinking end zone. And I asked him his thoughts on the new kickoff return. And he said, he really likes it. It's almost like a punt return.

You have two guys. out there and you can create lanes to get one-on-one against a uh against the kicker basically and you know and then and then you can go so uh that's just that's just something to be mindful of with him i look forward to getting chance to speak to him more what kind of personality that it seemed like he was bringing um i mean it's it's it's like speed dating you can't really you know tell one ever been on a speed date no i just i saw uh hitch we're seeing hitch i have seen Hitch. I have seen him.

Yeah, great scene. Yeah, great scene. The speed dating. Yeah. So I can't imagine you can really learn much about someone in the speed dating setting. So, um, he's, can I ask you a question? Yes.

Did you watch Hitch because you thought it was about past concepts? No, but, um, I like Will Smith. Yeah. I've seen most Will Smith movies. What? Is that, is there, is, is there, was he canceled or something? So was that something I shouldn't, uh, have said? We did it slap a man on national television.

Okay. Sorry. You looked at me like this. I mean, come on. If you grew up in this area when... Right over there. Yeah. If you grew up in this area when I did,

Fresh Prince of Lair, everyone watched it, right? So, yeah, I mean, I'd like Bull Smith. I can't. I don't know him personally. But he went to the same high school as my grandfather over Brook High School. Yeah. So... Okay.

Yeah. My only thought on Hitch is that might be the all-time ridiculous New York apartment. for the jobs that they have where I think Eva Mendez is a gossip columnist for essentially like the Daily News or the Post and Will Smith I think has set up three people for marriage

one of whom I think does community theater and man they got some great places I don't know, maybe they got a good deal. Yeah. I know people always said that about friends like how did they get that? Well at the end of it they said that rent control that they kind of yeah

tried to gloss over that a little bit. A little wink at the audience. Gotcha. We hear you. Okay. But no, as far as his personality, yeah, he was pretty matter of fact. He was, I had a little more to say than Quignon Mitchell last night, but I wouldn't call him like, you know, effervescent. He wasn't popping off the, you know, he wasn't, he wasn't Malcolm Jenkins in the interview setting.

But I look forward to getting a chance to know him better in the locker room. in Philly in the coming weeks. Well, Zach, the commanders have done an interesting thing here. They have taken someone from your list of guys and someone from my list of guys because at 53 they're taking Ben Sinit, the Kansas State tight end, which is not quite as high as I would have taken him, but that's okay. Does it surprise you that he's the second tight end off the, or has Josh Sanders gone? No, he has not.

So the second tight end off the board, does that surprise you? A little bit, but it doesn't surprise me that he's one of the second or third tight ends off the board. I would have had him third. So the Cleveland Browns on the clock now And I believe they're taking our other friend, Mike Hall, Michael Jr. Michael, Michael, Michael, Michael. Yes. There's Carl Nassad making the pick Carl Nassad from Alvin Prep, which is that way.

Nice. Julia, do you want to show Zach the poll results? We're taking it off, right? I mean, you did last night. Yeah, what? Let's clip that. We're taking it off, right? Should we take down Zan?

Banner. Absolutely not. 84%. Oh, come on. Did you rig the election? No, I did it. I had nothing to do with it. I didn't write that.

All right. Well, I hope you. Listen, you want to do what the people, you are famously wanting to do what the listeners want. So I got to stick with it. Yeah, but, okay. True. This is me we're going to do more mailbags.

You are the one who wants to do what the people want. Oh, okay. Not you. Okay. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. The audience, I always say if you have a pizza shop and people don't eat the pizza, it's not a good pizza shop.

But it doesn't like that analogy when I bring that up. You're right. Yeah. It's an incredibly flawed analogy. How is it? Let's workshop this. How is it a flawed analogy? No, seriously.

Like, customers determine your success. If you have a, if you think you have a great pizza shop, but no one comes to eat your pizza, you're going to go out of business unless you're just like burning cash, right? So my point is that it. behooves you to listen to your customers. But what if one person comes into your pizza shop and says, I want, I want you to make your pizza with nothing but pineapples. And another person comes in and says, I don't want pizza. I want a kebab. And another person comes in and says, I want you to punch yourself in the face every time I get a piece of pizza. Are you going to serve

every customer equally? That's what your Kipling says. All men count with you, but none too much, right? So, I mean, I would probably take, I would take in no account who's, who's saying it, but I wouldn't, I wouldn't be above any, uh, feedback, right? I probably wouldn't punch myself in the face. I don't know how that will help me have a better pizza shop, but I, I think fundamentally you're, that you're, you're, you're there to serve your customers. We're here to serve our audience. If our audience isn't interested in our show, we need to do a better show. So that's, that's kind of the way I think the audience wants nudity. I, well, I can't help them there, but okay. Yeah. Look, I'm,

Look at Mike McDaniel. He's dressed well. You would call that dressed well? Yeah, he's dressed Miami, I would say. He's dressed Miami. I mean, he's just sharp. That's a good, he looks sharp right now. I couldn't pull that off, but he looks sharp right now.

Okay. Yeah. Looks like he's heading to Prime 112 afterwards. Go pick, make a second round pick and hit South Beach afterwards. Yeah. Jesus, as Iuberg says, right here at Kephling's speech. I like that you're going with,

I like that you're going with Jesus. I mean, I don't want to generalize. And Jason says, Nipples Berman. I don't know what that means. You know, avoid that one.

So we're just reading comments. Okay. There we go. All right, we are closing in a little bit, ish. We are about 20 picks away. now from the Eagles going to be on the board at 78 in the third round and you know is it going

quickly tonight it's quick than last it's seven minutes between picks right yeah i feel like they're they're a little bit more on top of things in the broadcast than they were last night as well got you yeah day well a day three is five minutes right the third round seven still is the third round seven or they go to five and think that's right but i'm okay sure the third round i mean the day three should be 30 seconds It should be like a fantasy draft when, you know, you just want to get out of there virtually. Yes. Enough. That's Zach's favorite thing.

Yeah. I mean, I like the end of a draft. Al Groh used to say, he used to have this expression. Be prepared for the end of fantasy drafts. No, he would say, we only play once a week and we only play 12 times a year. Why is everyone trying to speed up the game? Like, let's enjoy this, right? And so fantasy drafts, you're doing it once a week.

a year, right? What's the purpose of speeding it up? Let's enjoy it. You're among friends. You're strategically building the roster. And sometimes those late picks can be good ones. Like Renal Blanco. Yeah. Call back to the loyal listeners who remember the Ronald Blanco. Patrick Paul selected by the Miami Dolphins at 55 overall, the offensive lineman from Houston with the big old long arms. And I mean, gonna just keep it up on the second round graphic what a job dynamic uh all right so are the cowboys can go running back you think hi hi hi hi like like like maybe jerry jove look at that by the way that look at that war room it looks straight out of uh it looks straight up movie it looks like straight up like a spaceship movie see i like this though this is what the war rooms used to look like now

they uh you know now everybody's gassing each other up and pumped up like they're just they're sitting at the desk. Jerry is a traditionalist in this sense. I agree with you though. It does look like the death star on Star Wars or something like that. Yeah. It looks like an evil. Like this is the bad guy henchman room. Also they can have better lighting in there. It's pretty dark. You want to talk through some of the people who are still on the board?

Yeah, I would love to. Do you want to project 20 picks out? Talk about some options? Go ahead. So my boy, Blake Fisher, still on the board. I was going to go position by position. Oh, okay. Sorry. Yeah.

Yeah. Let's go. Running back. Jalen Wright, Breeland Allen, Trey Benson, and Marshaun Lloyd, who the Eagles brought in. From Delaware. Yes. A wide receiver.

Troy Franklin, who we both like a little bit. Still on the boards. I guess surprisingly so, given all the wide receivers who have gone. Roman Wilson. A.D. Mitchell did get picked while you were gone, by the way. Okay. To Indianapolis?

That's all. I believe that's right. At tight end. She's going to like him. J.T. Sanders. I like, you know what, I like this bit. I like the first name bit. It's a good bit. At tackle, Kingsley Sua Mattaea still on the board, as well as Roger Rosengarten and your boy, Blake Fisher, plus Brandon Coleman and Kieran Amagogy.

Ah, Vince's guy. Yes. On the interior, Cooper Beebe, Christian Haynes, Dominic puny, Christian Mahogany, and that old delicious Tanner Bordellini. along the edge my guy Joan Ellis plus Austin Booker and Marshawn Neeland Chris Braswell

and Adisa Isaac NGO X Hunt who's getting some date two buzz interesting yeah a little bit further down my board but that's that's certainly true

and he did take a pre-draft visit with the Eagles defensive tackle not a lot there you'd have to skip down a little bit to get to like the Brandon Doorless Mackay Wingo

Duane Carter level not super exciting, probably not going to be the pick for the Eagles. Nope. Linebacker Jr. Colson's still there. Jeremiah Trotter still there. Peyton Wilson still there. Cedric Gray still there. And Trevin Wallace on the board.

At cornerback. I mean, how it surprised me. I don't think they're going to cornerback again, but some people there. And then at safety, Jaden Hicks, Javon Bullard, Cole Bishop, Malik Mustafa. I don't think they're going safety. I don't think they're going safety either. Yeah. To me, that's it.

sounds like maybe if I could see linebacker, I could see an edge if there's a guy that they really love, but I do think that offensive line seems the most likely answer here. Interior? Or? See, that's a question I have. Like, does this mean that Tyler Steen? You know, I know no Siriani at the combine kind of had a little bit of a weird answer. Was that the owner's meeting one of the two?

Owners meeting. Owners meeting. Do they officially trust him as the right guard? They probably should, you know, just based on where he was drafted last year. But obviously, as you guys have said, like, did not get the reps when Camp Juergens went down. Yeah, my sense on this is that, and we talked about this in the owner's being's pod and the one you and I did in the days after that like it's reasonable that he was tired and he forgot him. But if Steen was front of mind, then he would have been front of mind, right? And I think the Eagles are looking to push Tyler Steen.

Now, whether that is, you know, someone in a middle round or whether that is a Matt Hennessy, we'll see. At this point, I'm expecting Steen to be the starter. But look, you can get a starting guard in the third round. And some of those names, Bo mentioned, can step in and start. You know, like, you know, we spoke about Cooper Beebe, right? who he's, he's what, a two-time All-American, was unanimous All-American last year. Based on the way he plays,

is thought to be like one of the top interior alignment in this draft. The knock on him is the short arms. That's baked into the price now in the third round. Tyler Steen's obviously a bigger guy. That could be a matter of taste. But The Eagles went with the smaller guy last year, right? They went with Juergens there when we spoke about the Steen Juergens thing. and so it very well could be that you know if they think cooper bibi from a technical perspective can handle it

the other guy uh and beau has him in our al you know draft and this might be day three but zack zinter zack zinter who i think is a good enough player to start and discounted price because of the injury but my point is is that these lists of guards you know bo mentioned christian mahogany Bo mentioned Christian Haynes, Brandon Coleman. I don't think there's anyone here who I say, all right, I think this guy's going to be a pro bowl

or $20 million year guard. But I think you would, obviously if you had that, he'd probably go earlier. But I think you have guys here who can definitely push Tyler Steen. So if your objective is to come out of this with someone who can be a starter,

to be a potential starter, I think offensive guard could be a sweet spot here. If you want to come out of this draft with a potential, Lane Johnson, someone to take over for him at some point. And I know Professor Shalman said, there's more than one draft to do that.

The Eagles can do that next year, right? But if you're still looking for that, the guy who I think makes sense there would be Kingsley, Sue Mattaia. Suamataia. I apologize. Putscher that last thing. I'll put you that again here.

Former five-star recruit, transferred from Morgan to BYU, just turned 21, right? Young, I mean, you look at you. Both sides? Yeah. You look at like the physical nature, like the strength that he has, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's for Michael Pennick. So Rosengarten, and his 40 times jumps out,

like that shows the foot speed there, not the issue with Rosengarten, is he doesn't have long arms. So if you have an arm-length threshold, he's not going to hit that. Yeah, and some of those guys they brought in. So we know there's a level of interest. Dominic Pune, Pune, also a possibility there.

Should mention, Zach, that you took Cooper DeGene with the first pick of the Alianno draft in your first round. So a big hit for you. I mean, let's get a little, Zach. No, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, Zach. No, I see people say,

I'm not going to say the name correctly. Now, Marshawn Neeland, going to the Dallas Cowboys, a player who I do not get it with, but it's not, I'd like to see more production from the, from the Mac. In a small school, loading no production, just bizarre.

So his store in the chat says Kingsley won't, won't be there in 20 picks, will he? The one thing I'll say is if you wanted to move up in the third round, right, it's not like the Eagles have some fifth round picks they can play with here. It wouldn't be hard for them to move up at this point. Like moving up 10 spots, 15 spots in the third round. I don't think that's worth it. You don't think it's worth it?

No. If you think there's a drop off at tackle though? I think you've already made the bet on moving up. Okay. I mean, there's so much research to show that moving up generally does not work out. You're not, like, more often than not, you are not correct. Sure. And so to make the second bet on it, I don't know.

I don't like moving up with, you know, picks in rounds two or three or four, right? When you're starting to talk about like a sixth rounder, and I know I mentioned a fifth, but the Eagles have shown over the past few years that they're not looking for volume late in the draft because they feel that they can, hit the undrafted market in a big way. They would rather come out of the draft with guys that they feel strong about than be taking someone in the sixth or seventh round who is comparable to someone

they would sign on the undrafted market. I mean, I'm not saying, I understand trading back is always a good thing, but now there's two arguments for this. You look at the 2011 draft and Eagles had all those picks and you say, well, how many of them panned out? Well, the argument for it is one of those was Jason Kelsey, right?

That if you'd have enough lottery tickets. Right. If you have enough lottery tickets, one hits, and that's all you need. Like, do you care that you missed on Julian Vandervelde or Brian Roll if you got the best center in Eagles history? So that's the argument for having volume late in the draft. Just seeing if somebody else is coming off the board, but no. By the way, there was a super chat. I don't know if you got to it when I was gone from Vince said, do you try to trade for Michael Mayer?

And I want to bring this up because one thing I... This is John's brother, right? No. John Mayer's an artist, right? Yeah, the singer. I'm familiar with him. He's from Connecticut. Paints the most beautiful pictures.

He's a singer. He's from Connecticut. He actually was on the Letterman show and sang a great American pie cover one time. Yeah. Famous lover. I've heard that expression, actually. You heard that expression? No, I think he's saying he's a famous lover.

No, there's an expression that, oh, no, there's an expression he used one time that I saw. I don't need to get into it. Is Napalm the second one? It's about Napalm, yeah. But that's him talking about, that's him talking about. I believe Jessica Simpson. That's him talking about, okay, but. By definition, you're a famous lover, right?

I'm sorry, I did not. I do all this prep work for the draft and we end up talking about John Mayer. Let me get back Michael Mayer Okay So in an earlier He was Jessica Simpson, right? She's the napalm?

Yes, it was, yes Shout out to Jessica Simpson I know she's watching Yeah So when I was talking about the off season One thing I said Is that pay attention At a position like tight end

For a team that Actually in my 12 or my 15 step, Howie Roseman guide, I think, I said, the team that takes Brock Bowers, I mentioned the Tennessee Titans. I said maybe Chig becomes available, okay? And so Michael Mayer, who is a, he was a second round pick last year. I thought he was a real good player for the Raiders. Now it's a different administration.

They took Brock Bowers. It would surprise me for them to. That shot is so good with just the bottom corner of the banner on with Zach. It's so good. It would surprise me if they gave up on Michael Mayer. I think you'd have to give up something material for him. At this point, it's not as if he had a bad year. You can play 12 personnel,

but that is absolutely a call that I would make. Let me ask you this. Would you consider flipping Kili Ringo? Interesting for Michael Mayer. Yeah, I would, actually. And I like Kila Ringo. But, I mean, first off, you're trading your third rounder this year, but your fourth route or last year, right, for a second round pick.

I think there's more of a need for depth tight end right now than depth corner. I liked Rigo as a player. I think there's traits that are hard to find. But I also think Michael Mayer, like, I mean, let's look up Michael Mayer's draft profile. If Michael Mayer was in this draft, I think he'd be the second best tight end, like, without a doubt in this draft. He was in a deep tight end draft class last year. He's young. He's still only 22 years old.

he was an early entry. He's 6.5, 249. He was the fourth pick in the second round last year, right? And there was only 31 picks in the first round last year. So he was the 35th overall pick, okay? Ran a 4-740 and 910 broad jump. He was really productive at Notre Dame. It was actually a surprise that he fell out of the first round.

He had 27 catches for 304 yards and two touchdowns last year. Decent rookie season. You know, they had a lot of quarterback instills. ability there. He turns 23 in July. So he's actually younger than some of the tight ends in this class, including actually most of the tight ends in this class. He's younger then. So Vince, to answer your question, yes. And to, to Bo to answer your question, absolutely. I would try Keillet Ringo for Michael Mayer. I think also just more in general, would you consider flipping Kili Ringo if it was going to bring you back something material at a different position?

Yes, but not just for like, you know, because again, like Slay, we don't know how much longer he's going to be here. Yeah, I think they would like to keep him. Yeah. I think it makes sense to have, in theory, DeGine, Queenie Mitchell and Keeley Ringo as your three corners. Now, can I ask you guys both something to get back to the gene? Oh, I thought you were going to say Jessica Simpson. No. Just as you were talking about it, does it concern you that they took two corners to the knock on them is that these guys haven't played press coverage?

Like I know the thought of the Eagles are going to be a heavy zone team. But is that a concern that both of these guys, like the football scouting report, that's a question mark. Go ahead. I would just say in Mitchell's case, now this is probably pretty stupid, but watching the one-on-one reps at the senior bowl, that looked pretty good to me. The guy that the Niners drafted Ricky Pearsall, like he absolutely bullied that. Who I don't get him, by the way, but go on. Yeah. Yeah, well, I didn't get him in that rep.

Ricky Pearsall. Yeah. And neither. Like, he was in college for six years. He was never productive. Yeah. And I keep reading these things. Like, I saw someone say he's going to have a 90 catch season this year.

I think why wasn't he a 90 catch guy in Florida? He was their top for season. He's a white van Jefferson. I also saw, and again, this was just one tweet, but I saw it floating out there that, like, Kyle Shanahan was really talking up his blocking after last night too. And I'm thinking, like, that's cool. You guys run the football better than anybody. but it sounds like right it sounds like Riley Cooper right now

a little too much on type right yeah uh Javan Bullard Chris Braswell and Blake Fisher the last three players selected your boy Blake Fisher yeah I would say that I am not super concerned about that I think

that stuff is probably a little bit overblown it's not like you're asked to press all the time anyway and so I think Dijin is is you're not really worried about it that much because it's probably not what he's going to be asked do right away. Fair enough. Yeah. Are you? No, it just strikes me as interesting because when we speak about Ringo

and then you speak about the Alabama corners, right? That's not the question with them. Like you've seen them playing that style. But someone pointed out in the chat earlier when we were talking to Fran like the Eagles are his own team or expected to be his own team. So having someone who's good in zone, if you recall when they brought in Gannon, that was a big question. It's like Slays this great man-pressed corner. And now you're going to say Jonathan. Yeah, when they brought in Jonathan, that was a, that was a question. Well, do you think, too, that the Kool-Aid could be like the hindsight pick if he pans out because he was still on the board?

Yeah, that's what I was saying. You've got the, you've got Arnold and Kool-Aid or Quinion and Dijin. It's kind of an interesting hypothetical. Yeah, now the thing is this. And Beau did make a good counter that Arnold can play around the formation, right? So, no, that that is a fair comparison. I think they went with the two better athletes. Yes, right?

No doubt about that. So that stands out. Yeah, that's fair. Lake Fisher, off the board. Look at that. You see one of your guys? Yes. Yeah, in a big way.

And that was a, that's a really good, I mean, Houston's building a good football club right now. and Nick Casario, D'Amico, D'Miko knows talent when he sees it. And he sees in Blake Fisher, what I see in Blake Fisher. So that's a little bit of projection, but I like that. Okay. Getting a little bit close now within 20 picks. We're not quite at the part of the draft where we can see the PHA on the bottom of the crawl. That's when you know you're really getting close.

but narrowing in a little bit. Thoughts on the new Texans unis? None. Yeah, I'm not a big uniform guy. You got any? I like the red ones. I really like the red helmets. I think the red helmet should be the,

I think the style of the helmet where they have like the horn, similar to how the Eagles and the Vikings have theirs. They just have like the horn from the long horn there. That should be their permanent helmet. More so, I like the horn style much more than just the logo decal. Wasn't there some controversy too about them using

the old oilers colors and the titans were not happy about that yeah now they finally introduced that uh that oilers blue as like a third color as like a second you know i was going to say a secondary color it could still be a secondary color if it's a third color but yeah they're it's they still have navy and red but then they're introducing this light blue and it's it is oilers-esque it's kind of ridiculous that they're just taking full ownership over the color but it is i mean those old those old oilers units were great oh yeah oh yeah Warren Moon, slinging it. And I think we should have more Carolina Blue in sports.

Yeah. It's a great color. I was actually listening to a JJ Reddy podcast with LeBron James, where he was talking about getting recruited by Duke. And he said that, you know, he goes down there in like eighth grade or ninth grade. It meets with Wojo, meets with Coach Kay. And then he's at an AEU tournament with Boo Williams. And he wore like back in the diet. I used to do the same thing.

You wear your shorts under shorts. and he wore North Carolina shorts underneath because he liked the Carolina blue. JJ did. JJ did. And Wojo like rimmed him out at the AAU tournament. Like, what are you doing wearing these Carolina shorts? Slap the floor probably afterwards too.

Yeah. It's a great color. I kind of like the color too. Nothing against the Carolina blue. Julia, should we play the video? There's a video? So there's some audio. from the beginning.

Okay. Yes, there's some video of your reaction to the banner from earlier. Don't I need to be authorized to tape something? You just say you're on air. My shirt's not tucked in? This is Julia's idea. Julia! I've known you for 20 years.

Is this that you treat me? It wasn't my idea to put it on the air right now, okay? And I think what I was doing was complimenting everyone. in the room right here. I feel like I'm betraying you. I'm sorry, that. I think I was telling everyone we did a great job.

Yeah, yeah, it's good. Oh, is the audio playing? I don't think they're not yet right now. You can do us in the box if you want so you can get sex. I can, no, we can hear you guys. Oh, you can hear us right now.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you were saying what a good show we had. Yeah, and how proud I am to be part of this group. And this is how you repay me? I feel violating. Seriously. I mean,

these people go to trial for this stuff, right? They were taped against their will, right? And that was broadcasting to the masses. Don't even sign an authorization form or something. By the way, it's not a white claw. That's something. Come on.

What does Sigma mean? I don't know. Sigma beat right. I mean, I'm looking at the chat here. Maybe it looked like a frat guy. Really? That's that. I don't know what fraternity you guys belong.

That doesn't look like a frat guy. That looks like a reporter going to work. That's where you see. Yeah, I mean, come on. Julia. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Oh, that's good stuff.

I appreciate the sentiment. We don't need that. There's the audio. It's for the people. Do you see how happy the people in the chat were last night? It's not like the first off, breaking it's like a... Yeah, I don't think we need to the audio. I think what I was saying was like Barry Sanders.

Hand the bud. The official act like you've been there before. It almost becomes like parity. You know, this is our job is to... Our job's to report. All I'm doing is my job. You don't get a pat on the back for doing your job. You get reprimanded for not doing your job.

You don't get a pat on your back for doing your job. I mean, that's one management style. Yeah. I think actually people do enjoy being told they're doing a good job. No, you did. You raised the bar. Just like you did when you came in and you said you were talking to them like they did a good job. Okay, yeah.

Right. What if they returned the compliment and threw it back in your face and said, don't do that. okay i was just saying how proud i was of the work that we all collectively did um we don't need if if anything the banner should say p hl y p hl y p hl y p hl why we actually have a lot of p hl why well there you go because that's what we should be recognizing the group effort that we had here the fact that all of us collectively put on a show that we're proud of last night there's nothing to do with me i mean has a lot to do with you i'm just playing my part

That's all. Okay. Okay. Well, I think everybody's very proud of you and I think we can get a little Zach, Zach, Zach. Zach. Let's let's let's let's that. Zach.

Zach. You're a good dancer. Well, when we're chanting Zach on him. You should see Boat dance, man. The first time I saw Boat dance was at Marissa's wedding last year. This guy can cut a rug. I mean, he is awesome. Yeah.

It was two years ago at this point. But yeah, it was, you should see Bo dance. Really not anything special. I mean, come on the dance floor There were like NFL Bonafides here at this wedding And they were looking at how good of a dancer Bo was

Complete fabrication, but That's not a fact Although I don't know if offensive linemen are the best dancers To begin with so Probably Bo Bo Bo Bo Bo Bo Bo Bo No disrespect Mike I actually think Michael would be like a kindred spirit With me there

I don't think Michael I don't think Michael was paying attention to my dancing At his own wedding Oh no but I think there were other people Who probably noticed how good of a dance are you or. I think that's a you thing. I was impressed.

Yeah. Okay. Bo, bow, bow, yes. All right, fair enough.

How much sleep did you get last night, Zach? Not, you want me to tell you the exact number? Sure. Pull up the aura app. See, the thing with the show is like,

usually I know there's a finish line, and I can just roll to the finish line. Last night, I got three hours and 56 minutes. That's more than I thought. Yeah, it's more than I thought, too. I went to bed at 251

and I got up at 717 Good for you Yeah Pounded out of story Last night Yeah Yeah you can find that That was impressive turnaround

Were you just Did you have some of that ready to go? No, I didn't know who they were picking Yeah Yeah no I got back We had the press conference And I just Kind of like stream of consciousness thoughts

Right And then you know Posted Bose Or I'm sorry Posted Les's story So that kind of set me. It actually didn't set me back that much. It doesn't take that long to post the story, put a picture up.

But yeah, and then I wrote it. I didn't do a really thorough editing job. I just kind of read through it once at that point. And then usually I'm like wired. I think the minute I went in the bed, I passed out. Yeah. Yeah, that's good. One of those nights.

Cole Bishop and Ennis Rake Straw, the Missouri, rather, corner, the last two players. off the board. Don't get it with Cole Bishop, do you? I don't all the way get it either, but I also didn't do the world's most work on Cole Bishop, but yeah, I'm a little skeptical as well. People did love, and there's the super chat here from MJ,

enjoyed Zach's tweet being featured in Micah Parsons' viral freakout last night. Yeah, shout out to Adam Lefco. Adam Lefcoe's an old friend of mine, good friend of mine. We went to college together, grew up that way, Adam. New Jersey? No. North, east. Okay.

It's kind of like north, but like Bucks County. Okay. So over here. Yeah. But yeah, Adam's great. And shout out to Adam. He's not watching right now. He's doing a show, I imagine.

But I was, I'll say as a friend, I was so pumped during March Madison seeing Adam on the set there. He did great. Watch every NBA show he does. And I used to listen on Sundays. to Adams radio show in Z89 and to see where he's back at

at Syracuse he was working I think in Hastings Nebraska and I'm back Hello Dinaw walking onto the stand to deliver the Ravens second round back Yeah we had dinner down in Tampa covering the NCAA basketball tournament

I was at the Star Ledger Shout to Star Ledger He was in Louisville at the time But yeah So Adam was on that set there and put that tweet up. I don't know how that tweet got up, but people were pumped about Michael Parsons.

I was pumped about Adam Lefko. I'll put it that way. So that's how Michael Parsons learned that... Yeah. Mitchell was the pick for the Eagles. Yep. That's great. Shout out to Stark for putting it in our slack.

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Zach, this is a pick that you banged. You had it in the first round. It's happening in the second round. Kingsley. Kingsley, Sue Mattaea. Andy Reid, getting a BYU offensive lineman. Yes. I think what I wrote there was a match made in heaven.

Right? Yes. Yeah. shout out to Dallas Reynolds and all the old BYU alignment that he has BYU Lyman going to a former BYU alignment. I liked Kingsley. I liked Kingsley. I thought Kingsley could sneak into the end of the first round. I think good draft from the chiefs to get Xavier Worthy and Kingsley here. I think he can push the start right away, actually. And if they hit on this, man, that that offense is just going to keep getting better. So good job. I actually think Brett Veach deserves a lot of credit. We always talk about Andy Reyes.

Brett Veach has done a real good job drafting, finding players. And I'm impressed with the work that Brett Veach has done in Kansas City and sometimes doesn't fully get the credit that he deserves. Nothing against him, but because Andy's such a strong person that, you know, strong figure there and Patrick Mahomes. But I think Brett Veach continues to have good drafts. Well said. How are you feeling, Rich?

I'm feeling good. I had a question for you guys, just because you guys have a better grasp for kind of the entire NFL and how the drafts have gone over the years. How have the Eagles done on day two, I guess, compared to the rest of the NFL? Because it seems like to me, most of their hits in recent years have been these interior offensive linemen. That's been the guy. Land addiction.

I mean, in fairness, they had the one huge hit with Jalen Hertz as well, too. But like, are they good on this day? Yeah, so I actually think, yeah, so it's interesting to ask that because, you know, one thing that's come up is that there. They haven't been good picking in the 20s, right? And the response to that is, well, obviously it's harder to pick in the 20s in the top 15, top 10. But my counter to that is they're really good picking at the top of the second round, which in theory should be harder than picking in the 20s, right? And they've done a good job.

You know, Zach Ertz was an unruly second round pick. Landon Dickerson was an early second round pick. But then you get in the middle of the second round. I mean, Jan 1st was a good second round pick. I mean, you go back. So? What's that? I would say so.

That was pretty good. Yeah. Atlanta Dickerson was a, well, I said, I said, Land Dickson, you go back to LaShawn McCoy, good second round pick. You know, there are. Deshawn Jackson, good second round pick. I mean, the Eagles have done a real good job, I think, drafting in the second round.

And third round has been a little more inconsistent. It gets harder, but I actually think second round, correct me if I'm wrong here, but second round, it's kind of been a sweet spot for the Eagles. They have generally done well in the second round. I mean, even their misses Yeah. Have been of the like,

Trevor Laws. Okay. Or like, you know, Michael Kendrix who's still got a second contract, right? Like Jordan Matthews was a, you know, I mean,

that was decent production in the second round for you. Yeah. They've done a pretty good job in the second round. Yeah. I mean, yeah, like you said, Kendrix, Curry.

Yeah. You know, Curry gave me decent. JJ. We forgot about JJ. JJ. JJ was, I mean,

Miles Sanders worked out. Okay. But yeah, JJ was a miss for sure. Godert. We haven't. talked about. Goddard was a good second round pick.

Yeah. Pretty good track record. Absolutely. So, yeah, so because I always hear that. Sidney Jones. Somebody brings up. Sydney Jones. Yeah, I actually know how he's really not proud of that.

I mean, for obvious reasons for that, that 2017 class. Which, because, you know, I, he gets a lot of compliments for that 2017 offseason. And it was the best offseason I've ever covered. But his counter that sometimes, like his self-deprecating counter is he wishes he did the draft better that year. I would say that you could make a case that 2022 off-season was a better off-season. Yeah, I mean, AJ Maxwell, oh, I'm sorry, not Maxwell. Bradbury, AJ, Bradbury, and C.J. Garner-Johnson trades. I would go with Alshan.

Nick Foles is the backup quarterback. Chris Long, Patrick Robinson. Trading for Tim Jernigan. Ligarrenig. Ligar Blunt. Their moves on the margins were better in 2017. Their high-profile moves were better in 2020. Yeah.

And you probably win with your high leverage moves more than your moves on the margins. Interesting. Interesting comparison. The Derby trade. Yeah. Kiseer White. Yeah. True.

I don't know. Jordan Davis. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So it seems like they are doing a good job on this day. I was saying the, the, uh, I was talking to someone earlier today about the show and I'm like, you know, I don't want to complain like complain at all. Like, um, you know, because I was saying it's, it's hard to do four hours on, on, on air. And I'm like, there's radio people who do this every day. But the thing is they have like commercial braids. Yeah, I know. Right. I'm actually starting to feel it.

Yeah. That's like. Like I, because the remark I was saying is, I was like, I don't have, I don't have like enough words in me. You know, I think sometimes I try to make a cogent point. And I'm like, where am I going with this? So, yeah. But it is fun. I guess. Oh, I'm a great time.

But yes, I would agree. I'm starting to feel it. Yeah. Were you feeling it last night? I would say by the end of last night a little bit. I felt like my mouth was not catching up to my brain at some point. What's that called? Brain.

Tomorrow's going to be hard. Yeah, tomorrow's going to be long. Yes. I think we're going to need to play a little immaculate grid, tick, tacto at some point. Just to pass the time. We can ask less. And be thoughts that will. We can have a mailbag.

I would love that. I would love that. that you want to know why because if you have a pizza restaurant and the customers don't like the pizza. Renardo Green. Surprised you? Early? Yeah, the Niners continue to have a very weird draft board, huh?

Renardo Green. Yeah, you know how in, on the East Coast, they say they watched the West Coast games and that gives them the advantage? Apparently in California, they watch the Florida game. They watch the games in Florida and that gives them an advantage. They wake up so early. Yeah. Interesting.

Hmm. All right. Well, we have gotten to the point where the Eagles are on the crawl. Ah, the PHA. As the third round begins, about 14, 13 picks away. Junior Colson is still on the board, Zach. What do you make of that? That would be an interest. I'm sorry. What's okay? Go get them. Responding my wife. Better than responding to someone else's wife. Yeah, I suppose so.

but yeah I would say junior Colson does surprise me he's floating there I mean that's that's an interesting name I think he's he's someone who I know Jimmy Kemsky had a mocked in the second round to the Eagles I know Les Bowen was interested in him to the second round to the Eagles so if he's hanging around

not a pick I would object to whenever you can take the leading tackler on Michigan back-to-back years national championship team college football playoffs year before that shows that guy can play and certainly from a height weight pretty like the size perspective

he's different than what the Eagles have had you know 6 3, 245 pound linebacker stop the run who can cover tight ends there's something to like there for sure yeah it was sort of like the Colson Edron Cooper like Colson would be

replacing Nicobi Dean in theory whereas Edron Cooper would be taking Devin White's spot right Super chat from Vince wants to know where you think Justin Simmons ends up Yeah, he's He's kind of hanging around He'll probably see what depth charts look like after the fact here

Not a lot of safeties have gone of it Is that right? That's true, only two I believe Yeah, so it doesn't look like depth charts Were materially effective Three rather, Nubin Bullard and Cole Bishop Yeah But I don't think Philadelphia

If that's part of the question Thanks for watching Vince which one loves the draft no he loves it no that's true a lot of his guys are still out there keir and amagogy yeah yeah Isaac Arendo yeah I think Isaac Arendo is going to be out there

for a little bit longer Is Jaden Hicks gone? No he's still there at top of the board okay Jonah Ellis the chosen one still on the board could be a possibility Roman Wilson your boy still on the board Troy Franklin our friend still on the board

Yeah. A lot of weightists here, huh? Hmm. I got to cross out Ronger Rosengard and forgot to do that. How's your shadow draft, by the way? I haven't asked you. It's going. Can you tell me who your first two picks were? Well, if I'm sticking true to the board, I would have been Terry and Arnold and Kool-Aid McKinstree. Interesting. Okay. Now, the McKinstree won stuff because he was sticking out as a first-round grade, so I would have had to do it.

Something I actually had in my, I was going to say my notes. It was more in my head that I want to ask you. I'll ask both of you. We didn't, we discussed it in passing in real time because so much was going on last night. Seeing the terms of the Dallas Turner trade, would you have done that? They gave up a lot. I would not have done that. It would not.

Okay. So let's pull up what that trade was because they traded up from 22. Oh, I'm sorry, 23, right? Right after the Eagles. Let's see, Vikings, Jaguars trade. I will pull up the exact terms here. The Vikings gave up, they gave up the number 23 pick,

a 2024 fifth round pick, a 2025 third round pick, and a 2025 fourth round pick. So they gave, so they move up five spots. They gave up a third and a fourth next year and a fifth this year. To get the player who we, agree and are you on board with us here?

We agreed was the top edge rusher in the draft and someone who was like a potential difference maker. That's a major haul. It's not an apples for apples thing. The Eagles don't have a fourth round pick next year to give up. They do have an extra, they could have given up maybe two fifth rounders this year. So what if the trade was 22,

two of their fifth rounders, and their third rounder next year? Would you have done that? I might have done that. Okay. Yeah. And that's if you think a fifth round of next year is worth a fourth rounder next year. And the other part, too, is this.

You always kind of do these things after the fact, because you never know in real time. Had you known that Cooper de Jean, like that you could potentially get Cooper to Gene on day two, then obviously the appeal of Dallas Turner would be even more from where I stand. But even in real time, like I thought that that was a big haul. That was a big deal. But I think Dallas Turner is the kind of guy. If you're Minnesota, you're coming away with a potential difference maker at edge rusher. And that's a premium position.

I would have been tempted to do it, no doubt about it for the reasons that we talked about. I also think the way to frame it is as Malachi Corley goes off the board to the Jets. How do you feel about that, Chris? Popping an ollipop back there. A celebratory alipop for the Jets pick. Smart. How high up did they go? Okay. That's not that bad. Yeah.

So the Jets taking Malachi Corley and the Cardinals taking Trey Benson, according to Connor Hughes. I think the Quiney Mitchell of it, like part of the parsing of why, how it was so unexcited, I guess, is the way to read it. but it's fair to say that the Eagles were not like head over heels in love with Quine and Mitchell because if they were and they thought they needed a corner, they would have traded up a couple spots, right? Yeah. If they really, really, really wanted him more than Terry and Arnold, it's fair to read that they had them relatively on the same level.

Oh, yeah. I don't think Quinn and Mitchell was like what their last three first round picks were like. Yeah. I think that even though we talk about. about tears. I think that like Geo and Carter, Jordan Davis, DeVante Smith, even though we did talk two years ago

about, I'm sorry, three years ago about Jason Horn and Patrick Sartan, I think those were three guys who like, in their scenarios, they were devising ways to come out with those three guys, right? This year, now you heard Jeffrey Lurie on the phone call said he didn't think he would be there at 22, but to Bow's point,

this was not someone they felt he need to trade up for the last three years these were guys that they were willing to give up like fourth round picks or or more you know or something else to uh to trade up to acquire so yeah i i that that doesn't mean they i i think they really like when you and mitchell they clearly thought he was the best corner in the draft but i don't think they've they viewed it with the same um the same framing as as as carter davis Smith. Jets taking tackle Caden Wallace.

They had back-to-back picks. I'm sorry, not the Jets, the Patriots. The Patriots? No, Caden Wallace, localish. Oh, right? Okay. Yeah, localish. He's from Jersey. Sickler'sville, is that right?

Let me pull this up here, Katie and Wally's. That's very local. Yeah. No, Robbinsville. I'm sorry. Robbinsville. So more of the Princeton area. Yeah, that's local.

localish localish not necessarily in the inquires coverage base but um localish uh he went to the hun school well educated um yeah big recruit by uh penn state nice i i would have probably done that for for dallas turner but just for him he would have been the guy who kind of the the one game wrecker on the board and obviously the eagles they don't have maybe an immediate need for that that, but I think that certainly would strengthen their roster right now. I mean, it would be awesome to have Dallas Turner and Cooper DeGine on their team.

Sure, exactly. Yeah. I'm saying it wrong. Dijin? Apparently. Deijin, yeah. Yeah. I would give up two fifth round picks in a third rounder next year to get Dallas Turner. That's, to me, that would have been worth it. But I like what the Eagles

have done. That said, I would not feel the same way if they didn't come out of day two with the corner. I think corner was a position that, like, they wanted to hit. So the fact that the genes slipped, and you don't know that's going to happen, right? That's the thing. It's one of these after the fact things, you know, whenever I do my fantasy baseball auction, I'm like, oh, now that I see that guy went for, you know, Jose Ramirez went for the same as Mandy Machado in my league. And I'm like, well, if I knew Jose Ramirez, if I knew Machado was going to go for this, I would have just paid that

money to Jose Ramirez, right? You, you, you operate with the information. at hand. You can't make these decisions after the fact. Brandon Coleman. Guy of Eagles liked. I do feel like you're getting a little tired. You yawn there. You're not a typical yawner on screen.

Yeah. Okay. I hope someone screenshot that because I see Andy Reid's mustache. I didn't know what that was for a while. I had no idea what that was for a very long time. That's me yawning at the Super Bowl. Yeah. Yeah.

So I hope we've really built this. Wow. Yeah. I thought that was typical. Robinson yeah it just me a very long time to realize that was you yeah so Bo um in an odd social experiment would always have us do these three a m pods and i would be exhausted actually i've told this look we're on the air for like four hours i think 15 hours this this weekend um so i'll share this story the first road game i covered with bow okay was eagles falcons 2019 my first year at the athletic okay

because there was a preseason game that year. I went to Jacksonville. I don't think Bo went to that. We split it up. Yeah. And we did a postgame pod, but I kind of controlled, like I wrote after the pod. Okay. Anyways, this Atlanta trip, we go.

And it was a night game. And so, yeah, so the night game during the regular season, later than the night game during preseason. Preseason is like a 7 o'clock. Regular season, you're looking at 820. okay game ends all right i write my column my story this is 2019 2019 um bow is um i think bow had like a a six or seven a m flight okay and um i knew they did late night pods him and she'll i didn't quite know what he meant by late night and i'm just

like waiting waiting and then i'm like don't you have a flight and he's like oh yeah i'm just can go straight to the airport. Like, I'm just going to get my bags. I'm not going to sleep. And I'm like, wait, you're not going to sleep? And he's like, yeah, it's fine. And then until like 3 a.m., we do this pod. And, you know, I'm, I sound like an old school guy now. I'm conditioned from the Andy Reid days. Andy Reid used to have his press conferences at noon. And they were in person. This wasn't like the Zoom era. And so you take the first flight out in whatever city. So I was taking an early morning flight as well. And I remember being like, I got 90 minutes of sleep because of this.

Oh, and by the way, the pod went like two hours. Okay. And the first game of the Siriana era, right? Yeah, we were talking about all types of like. No, no, no, no, no. It was the game where did the Doug Peterson area? Yeah, yeah, we should specify. He dropped the data.

Yeah, it was the unlike Aguilar. It was, um. No, I think it was the week before the unlike Aguilar game? It was unlike Aguilar Dallas? I thought it was Detroit. No, I think it was Atlanta, the left side line. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah, I dropped. Yeah, the left sideline Atlanta. Yeah, I remember that game. And so, but then Bo's, so, so, so, so, so, so talking to me about how I spent the day in Atlanta. Okay. I went to the College Football Hall Fame. I went to the College Football Hall Fame. And I'm trying to be polite, like, I'm so excited to work with Bo.

I'm so excited for this new job. I didn't even know the podcast was a part of this job before I got it. Like my job interview, they never mentioned the podcast at all. And I'm like, it's 3 a.m. We're talking about the College of Hall of Fame. And he's just rolling with it and asking me all kinds of questions. And little did I know. This was like the earliest end time that we had all year.

So I was actually, I was at recently. Shout out to Lee if you're watching because he said, lead said I didn't bring up. what was the thing I went to Yeah to medieval times So I went to medieval times And I said We're driving up

And I say that courtyard there I stayed in that courtyard And Emily's like How do you know you stayed in that courtyard? And I was like We did the post game pod after the Eagles Giants game In the regular season finale Yeah the regular season finale

In 2020 20. 22. No, 21. 21. 21. Yeah. Yeah.

2020. And I'm like, I remember that pod being at like 4 a.m. Yeah. So anyways, that's a little deviation. But what's the latest pod you've ever done, though? I think through the Super Bowl. I think the first Super Bowl. Yeah.

The 2017 Super Bowl was Shield. We just, we finished it at like 7 in the morning and then went right to the airport. Or I did at least. The thing I remember walking out of the Super Bowl, that was so unbelievably cold in Minneapolis. Oh, yeah, it was. Oh, my God. I mean, that was, but it actually wasn't the coldest I was ever in Minneapolis. 2013, the Eagles played the Vikings, of course.

Deshawn Jackson had a huge game. He also bickered with Bob Bicknell on the sideline. That was the coldest, that was the coldest I've ever been. Great sentence, bickered with Bob Bicknell. The things you come up with on now are for at the show, right? And so, but I remember I was walking with Tim McManus to from, we were at like the Midtown Marriott. They were at the Metro Dome at the time. The new stadium wasn't built.

And you had to walk outside to get there. And it was the, I am trying to be like tough, but it was the, I went to Syracuse. It was the coldest I'd ever been was that. But the Super Bowl, the thing that Super Bowl was I wasn't outside, right? No, but I will say I took the shuttle from the hotel, which was literally just across the park. lot from Mall of America. I was such a wimp. Three out of the five days,

I think I took the shuttle, even though it was... It was right there, yeah. Six hundred yards away. Yeah. Yeah, it was nothing. But it was that cold. It was very cold.

Flexing, yeah, flexing the Inquirer expense account here. I had a rental car, so I was able to go. Yeah. Wait, did you drive it from the hoods? Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. Definitely, yeah.

Definitely. Julia Colson and Andrew Phillips. Oh, yeah, there's a draft going on here. Right? So, I'm happy. to get back to the stories. I'm just trying to carry us here. Typically, I can rely on you.

I see how tired you are. How much did you get less? Yeah, what's also going on is I've been, I've been leaning towards the middle. And so now, like, half my body is more, is, like, sore. I've got to, like, to work this out a little bit. This podcast is a young man's game.

Yeah. So, you know, what's interesting about this show is, I used to say to Bo that my best pods for when I couldn't see myself on this, like, would be, when I couldn't see myself on the screen. Yeah. you know um when we do our in-person stuff at like the combine i didn't have a screen in front of it right when you're doing zoom you're kind of looking at yourself on on the screen here so for the

to take our audience into the room here um and we have an amazing staff i just want to give a shout out to our everyone here is doing an awesome job the tv where we typically would see ourselves is actually in the left corner so when i did the fran interview i had to look over here like i'm doing right now the tv with the draft is right in front of me so when i'm talking to you guys I have no idea how crazy I'm looking, similar to being secretly recorded and been put up there and your shirt tail's not like not in. And it's like, that's, that's like a fashion faux pot. It's like it's, it's not, it's unprofessional to have your shirt hanging out there. But yeah, so it's probably comparable to that.

Like, you know, you don't know what you look like or what. Yeah. Now this, I know I'm being recorded. That, I mean, I had no idea it was being recorded. I feel violated. But, yeah. I'm so sorry. Joey, I don't hold it against you.

I hold it against Bo. It wasn't my idea. That was Julia's idea? Yeah. To record it just for our purposes to see it. It wasn't my idea to put it on. That's on you. That's on you.

There's a lot of passing the butt going on there. I got to say, I've known Julia for 20 years. So I'm 38. So not 20 years. I've known her for 18 years. Or no. Sorry, my math's all over. 28 years.

Okay, I'm going to enjoy it for 28 years, all right? I've never said a bad word about Julia my entire life, ever. Like, I can honestly say. Well, you don't say a lot of bad words about anybody. Yeah, but in particular, Julia, right? But I'm a little myth that I would secretly record. Understandable. There's something bad about it.

I do have to say the, like, the sharpness of the Zach on the banner. It's pretty impressive. Yeah, shout out the staples. Yeah. really high quality work. They also got it done. Like, there's a,

there's a noon deadline for the same day. And I called. I was like, is this, can I still get this done at the same day at 2 o'clock? Well, yeah,

we'll get it done for you. So pretty impressive stuff. I'm going to be back in 90 seconds. Maybe 60s. I don't know. I'm back quickly. Okay. Junior Colson goes off the board,

going to play for his buddy, Jim Harbaugh, his old coach. That's an interesting one. and then Andrew Phillips go into the New York Jets as we get about 10 picks away now from the Eagles being on the board. So it will not be Junior Colson. I'm thinking, who did you like more?

I guess offensive line. Did you do any work on the linebackers? Did you like Colson or Cooper more? Colson. I think more predictable what you're going to get. There's like probably a higher floor and maybe a lower ceiling, whereas Edron Cooper is more of a, wide range

do you think linebacker is a position where you can coach up the guy with tools or I feel like I'm biased I guess I got skeptical about that yeah I want I want a at least two years of being having been a starter in college as just a baseline thing for a linebacker

and there are some guys in this draft who don't have that now Edron Cooper does have that it's just he's used in a slightly different way so uh oh got nice to see Jim Harbaugh so happy getting getting his guy who's got it better than him if you can hear Zach from the other room

nobody so that's exciting so is that this that's the second linebacker off the board I guess that is the second linebacker off the board so let's see what would be like the most what if if we're going to try to

refit this narrative here like if the eagles are if this is a howie doing like I'm not who you think I am draft like I've got two corners of the top what could I do now and would it be Jeremiah Trotter Jr? I think it would be the splashy linebacker and I think that's probably either Peyton Wilson just because of his talent yeah the injury risk or Jeremiah Trotter Jr. just for the Philadelphia and familiarity of it all. Zach what do you think what would be the like the uh if this is a continued uh narrative uh spin from how he's taking the two corners what would be the big thing he does here well i caught the tail under that linebacker but trot

junior in particular but taking a linebacker yeah i mean i think uh the fans what the fans wanted and i'll defer to you on this is uh is secondary help and linebacker this year those that's what i kept hearing they did not want offensive line right uh or i i shouldn't say they generally right that you know some people want pineapple pizza some people want to punch you in the face um but um but but i i would say that you're on fire um but yeah i i think linebacker and corner were the positions most people wanted uh and trot junior would just be like right up the alley yes i've been on record saying i don't think they do the trot junior thing but who knows how he's not conferring with me and tell you that

We'll go through some of the names again, play the name game. Troy Franklin, Roman Wilson, probably the top guys at wide receiver, Jatavian Sanders could be interesting at tight end. The tackle pickings are relatively slim, Kieran Amagogy. You could do Zach Zenter if you want it. Cooper Beebe is still on the board. Christian Haynes, Dominic Pune, Christian Mahogany, and Tanner Bordellini.

my guy Jonah Ellis and as we talked about Cedric Gray, Jeremiah Trotter and Peyton Wilson there's our big board there. Troy Franklin standing out like a sore thumb Cooper Beebe, Jatavian Sanders, Joan Ellis, Roman Wilson could be interesting here if you want to go with a wide receiver that's like an interesting fit with the type of receivers that they have.

That's true. I mean he'd step in and be a day one slot for you. Would that be? type of receiver they're looking for, just a slot receiver when you're at this point and maybe, you know, the talent level is in first round and, you know, you can overwin teams with talent. You want somebody in the slot? I actually think someone who can play the X. I think a big body X receiver to take over for Devante Parker. But, yeah, I do think if, if AJ went down, like, this is what they need to think about.

If AJ went down, how will the offense function? And I'm not saying that you're obviously not going to get a third round pick who can replace AJ Brown. But the reason is why I did a mock draft and I had the Eagles with the third round pick because I had them trading up in the first round when the second round picks moving back. They end up doing that in the second round. But I had Ted Walker and that's not, he's not a guy who's been linked to them, but Ted Walker is a guy who can play the outside. He, some of the, the data points that the Eagles like, he's exceptional at. And he ran well. I thought he can be a better version of Quest Watkins for them.

But what are the data points they like for a receiver? Well, like his broad jump, his vertical. You know, some of these advanced. His broad jump a receiver thing too? I know that's the whole. I think that's across the board, right? Because, I mean, if you just look at like the percentiles, I mean, it's not like the same broad jump metric.

But if you're a high percentile in that across the board, then it's showing a combination, as Fran explained to us two Mondays ago, of like athleticism and power, right? So, yes. And power's different than strength. Go through some super chats. Vince says, if we scroll down, we already got the Justin Simmons one.

I know, that's not a Vince one. First of all, let's start with idiot sandwich. Zach is medieval times a good food city. All right. So I'm going to, so I've shared on the show that my brothers like to tease me a lot all the time. Okay. This is a great story.

And so I, before I go anywhere, I researched, like, the menu and the food and the reviews. And I heard that they have great garlic bread, all right? So I'm driving up to the medieval times. I went up there with my family. We all went together. It was for the kids and, like, my brothers, my cousins, all that. It was a great time. The kids enjoyed it.

And anyways, shout out to Lee. Shout out to Lee, yeah, for organizing it. And so on the drive up. up. I'm saying, like, I hear they break garlic bread. I hear they great garlic bread. And so I get there. And then they serve the garlic bread. And the waitress keeps coming back to me and saying, these guys up here say that you love our garlic bread and you want extra garlic bread. And like, so if you looked at my plate, I had like a pile of like eight pieces of garlic bread. And I'm like, what am I supposed to do with all this garlic bread? First off, I'm not going to consume all this

garlic bread. Second, the tomato soup that they give you or whatever, which by the way, they don't give you any utensils. You got to drink the soup. You can also scoop it up with the garlic bread. I don't have enough tomato soup to scoop up the garlic bread. And I can say this now. It's not like exceptional garlic bread, right? It's like it's essentially just Texas toast.

Right? No offense, medieval times. So I was really excited for this garlic bread. and I was a little underwhelmed by, I mean, it was fine garlic bread, but whoever these Yelp reviewers who were talking about this garlic bread as if it was like the end-all be-all, I got to say, like, let's chill with the garlic bread. Yeah, come on.

Yeah. Great job by your brothers. Oh, yeah, they were just, they just, this waitress like, and like she kept coming over with the garlic bread. And like, I'm like, I'm not the type of person who's like, no, I'm like, oh, thank you very much. Thank you. And she's like, and she just keeps rolling with it. And like, my brothers are like getting a kick out of this behind.

Like they're sitting behind me, right? And I was in a row with like three kids, okay? And none of them were eating their garlic bread. And so I think at one point, like the waitress is like, do you want to eat their garlic bread? I'm like, no, I'm good with the garlic bread. And I didn't want to be rude there. Okay. So that's my medieval time story.

Yeah. That's a great story. Yeah. James wants to know what's most likely, linebacker, edge, wide receiver, or offensive line? I would say offensive line. Like the, yeah. I mean, my pick here is going to be Cooper Bibi.

Yeah, if he's there. Yeah, that's what I'm going to say. They brought him in. Do we have the graphic of the pre-draft visits? Because there's a few guys still available. Cooper Bibi among them. Well, we don't have to worry about the corners there. Zach Zinter available.

We talked about him, Christian Mahogany available. Adisa Isaac available, if you want to. to go for an edge. Jalick's Hunt, who Zach has talked about. And so if it's going to be a pre-draft visit guy, Trevin Wallace as well, the linebacker from Kentucky.

So I feel like I'm with you. I think B.B. the most likely here, although Jonah Ellis, Roman Wilson are guys who I think if they're going to go off of offensive line, some interesting options. Sure. I mean, I think there is a drop off at edge rusher. We said this is not a great edge rusher class.

Yeah. But Jonah Ellis was a guy, bow and I both liked. It's a big five picks for Tyler Steen here. That's true. Well, framed. Well framed.

He's rooting for Cooper Beebe. And this is right about the area where he went last year. No, he's not rooting for Cooper Beebe. No, he's rooting for Cooper Beebe to go. Oh, to go ahead of the Eagles. Oh, gotcha, got you, gotcha. You want Super Dave to pick him right here.

Let's see. Super Dave. Oh, they go Trevin Wallace. Trevin Wallace. Linebacker. Oh, by the way. What did we make, Zach, of the, David Tepper incident.

Oh, man. Someone sent me this. I didn't watch the video. You didn't watch the video? No, but let's watch it live. Shout out to Tom, and I didn't respond to this text. Okay, Tom, who I referenced yesterday, the friend of mine from Charlotte, good friend of mine,

friends of Julia's. Oh, Julie doesn't remember. As well. She sent me, she'll, or I'm sorry, he sent me Shield's text, or Schill's tweet, rather, about the Dilworth Girl, and he said, you've been there, you, me and my man, Larry. Really?

Yes. You've been to that restaurant? Yes. Yes. With Tom. As I said, whenever I'm in Charlotte, I get together with Tom. Great. And we went to the Dilworth Plaza.

Really? Or the Dilworth Grill. Yeah, Dilworth Grill. Well, what was Tom's take on the entire interaction then? I didn't respond. I had to respond. I was driving. And shout out the shield.

I don't respond when I drive. But, yeah. I mean, the most unhinged behavior you can imagine. So explain what happened here. There's a sign outside. says, like, let the GM and coach pick the players this year. And he pulls over with his, like, with his henchman. So he wasn't even occupying the restaurant?

No. He just saw the sign and walked in. Yeah. And he walks in. And he's like a literal henchman too. And he pulls the hat off this guy's head. And it looks like it's actually an eagle's hat. If I can interject, Dallas Cowboys draft, Kansas State offensive line and Cooper Beebe.

Oh, there you go. Okay. Steen. Pumping his fist. So he rips the hat off the guy. which is insane behavior. And he's obviously, and he's talking about the sign out there.

And then he gets all huffy. And then eventually he like, he shakes hands and walks away. It's like absolutely preposterous. Yeah, what's he doing now? He is famous for having. Yeah.

The brass balls. The brass balls at his desk. But yeah, come on. I mean, there's a way to comport yourself. Now, I don't know the full story.

But there's not much more. I mean, there's a way to comport yourself. that ain't it. Yeah, I agree with you there. I mean, like, when this guy took over, I thought he was just going to be like a pretty boring owner, like takes over for, for Richardson. I mean, it's like past year.

Wild stuff. Terribly run team, getting in fights with multiple fans. I just want to point out that like, you know, I mean, and not to like defend Jeffrey Lorry or like pick on Philly fans, but or Philly media for that part. But like, Jeffrey Lorry said gold standard in a press conference one time.

and it was like used against him for like two decades, right? You have owners who literally can't control themselves, you know, who do all, who like in the workplace and in the public, like do all kinds of crazy things. Like I would imagine that comparatively speaking and like literally speaking when you look at the success of the Eagles, there should be appreciation for the run that Jeffrey Lurie's had here. David Tepper just starting fights and Jeter a lot before camps. He was the Eagles owner.

Yeah. would be pretty ugly. I mean, especially too because like Charlotte does not scream like a terribly tough media. No, it's not shout to Joe person, but it's it's it's not and Mike but it's not a if I didn't mention Mike I had to mention but shout out to Joe and Mike. He sent to a good text today. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So Chris. Raylan Trice the address. She's doing an awesome job with our social media. Make sure you guys are following all our accounts on pH on on Twitter, on Instagram, TikTok. Yeah, we're well represented

and that's a credit to Chris. And so... Face talk and... Sound like Bell's Check here. So it was captioning a... When you broke the story last night. When I talked about the pick

and what did I say? I said, let me pull the exact thing up here. There's a screenshot of me saying these balls. and it's just that it's just these balls on the screen and me talking this is what it looks like rich yeah so yeah good job i mike but yeah i'm sorry to interrupt you were talking on charlotte it's not a tough no we talked a little bit about charlotte last night but we didn't know that

david tepper's reign of terror would continue what did he do he got in a he threw a drink at somebody in the stance yeah well just unhinged this guy he's passionate oh you like that behavior I clearly don't like that behavior. All right, four picks to go. Okay, yeah. Chicago at 75, Las Vegas at 76. No, sorry, Denver at 76, Las Vegas at 77, and Philadelphia at 78. What are we thinking?

No, Beebe. BB is gone. Christian Haynes, Dominic Punei, Christian Mahogany, Jatavian Sanders, Jonah Ellis, the chosen one. What do you think they think? I think of of Kiran, I'm a Maggi. Amigaji? Yeah.

Good question. I feel like third round might be rich for them. Now, the one thing about him is he has guard and tackle experience, right? So there's some flexibility there. And the arms, 36-inch arms, right? Yeah. Yeah. I do think they would probably, they're probably leaning offense here just because they've taken two defense.

Don't you think? Just knowing the way to how he operates. offensive line. I got to say. And I think it might be Roman Wilson. What about Troy Franklin? I mean, you don't have to sell me on that. If they came out of this draft, if they came out of day two with Cooper with with Cooper to Jean and Troy Franklin, I mean, I would say how he like, you know, I was on

record on both these guys. So I can't rip on you now. I'm not, yeah. Wrote about Troy Franklin earlier today. What's that? You wrote about Troy Franklin earlier today. I did. I think, I think, I think, yeah. Who else is left from your list from today?

From my list from today. Let me pull this up here. So I put it in categories. Roman Wilson. Yeah. So the categories was improve your offense. So let me pull this up. Because I tried taking a page out of Boas book and being creative and not just like listing names.

But I said value is too good to be true. Let's trade up. Put Cooper de Gene, A.D. Mitchell, Johnny Newton. Okay? They trade it up for Cooper de Gene. Let's make the offense more dynamic. Troy Franklin, Ladd-McConkie. Keon Coleman, Roman Wilson. Roman Wilson still available. Troy Franklin's still available.

Could they actually take a linebacker in the second round? Now, or in the third round, that's Edge Cooper, Junior Colson, Peyton Wilson. Peyton Wilson still on the board. Time to start thinking about a future offensive tackle. I had Kingsley, I had Blake Fisher, I had Keiron. I'm a jetty. I'm a geaji. I'm a gaji. And I had Roger Rosengarden. A plug-and-play guard. I, Cooper, Beebe, and Jackson Powers Johnson. I want to get to this in the second. Then to stick it to the Cowboys pick was Jonathan Brooks. The reason I didn't have more The reason I didn't have more guards. And maybe I spent so much time with Bo that he's rubbing off on me here,

which is good because I want to learn more about offensive line from Bo. I don't love some of these like O'Guard profiles. She's like 24-year-olds. So many of them. Yeah. Now it is the one position where that doesn't matter as much. Sure. But it's like I just feel like it's like a replacement level player, right?

At that point. Like, is this really a guy who's going to be a core starter for you? Oh, no. Who went off the board? Jonah. Olivia Reiner. Shout out to Olivia for breaking this news to me. Oh.

She's doing great work by the one. Has gone to the Denver Broncos. Well. Yeah, do you have the outfit? I don't have it on me, but Howie, this is going to be an F. This weekend is going to be an F. He's right there. He's sitting right there.

This is the chance. This is the chance. to write the wrong. The original sin. Joan Ellis goes away. That's too bad. I think John Ellis was a very good prospect. I'd consider a moment of silence for him.

You know what? Let's bow our heads. I think we could all use maybe like 60 seconds off. That'd be bad podcast. I think that's 60 seconds off. I mean, we want viewers. The whole purpose is for viewers to stay with us. 60 seconds of silence won't be very productive for that.

Where did Ellis go, Denver? He's not talking for next seat. That's fair. Bo commits to a bit. Okay, I'm just telling you. If there's anything, I can tell you about Bo. He commits to a bit. Yeah, Joan Ellis is a good player.

But Bo mentioned Olivia. She's done great work this week. I thought that Jeremiah Trouter's junior story really well done. I thought the Walter Rout story really well done. Great job by her. so just to kind of reset this. Peyton Wilson? Peyton, yeah, I mean, now, Peyton Wilson,

we heard Fran Duffy earlier say from like a play perspective might be the best linebacker. Just really talented. Age and injury. But that's baked into the price here in the third round. Oh, no. Kieran on Magaji going to Chicago. All of our guys are coming on.

Vince, Vince, Vince. I mean, you got a message to CHGO guys, right? I mean, you got to tell. you got to tell all those guys about about Kiron and you know he went to Yale so you know he's smart how do y'all do against Princeton this year

they couldn't cover their receivers yeah they couldn't cover the receivers I doubt about that that's not Kieran's fault though not his fault so the Eagles are now close to on the clock three yeah the Eagles are three picks away the Broncos pick his ins the Eagles are two picks away it's the Raiders and then the Eagles

I'm going to try to work on this a bit I'm going to guess, I'm going to guess Roman Wilson. What do you like about him? Just Michigan kid, right? Michigan kid plays in the slot. They can move him around. I'm not necessarily sure that he was the one that I would take. I probably would take Troy Franklin here.

Troy Franklin's the guy I would take. Or you can make the case for Jetavian Sanders. But I feel like I'm just going to lean Roman Wilson here. Do you agree with what Zach said that the kind of guard crop at this point, especially with BB off the board, is not all that. inspiring it's it's uh it's not even that it's uninspiring it's that it's hard to like i'm not sure that they're differentiated from the guys you would get in the fourth and fifth round whereas i think that is the case with a troy franklin or or even a roman wilson i wonder what

the deal is with jatavian sanders i did think that he would be gone by now you can make a case for him as as an interesting addition uh oh the uh the egos have traded out according to Mike Arafo. Oh, okay. The Texans moving up to 78, so the Eagles recouping a little bit of value. Interesting here. And the Texans were picking 86, which is actually an original Eagles pick. So. All right. So they're probably moving down eight bucks. It was the Killie Ringo pick? Yep. I mean, really, they went with three defensive backs to start, right? Howie said this, essentially this year's pick, right? That's right. Yeah. Very good point. Very corner happy start to back. Yeah. That's well said. Um, so we're going to be here a little bit longer.

Gonna be here a little bit longer. That means that this time I am going to, uh, going to take a break. Okay. I'll be back in a few minutes. Okay. Okay. I need water. I'm parched. Not me too, but would you like the water? I got some. I'm, I'm good. I'm just trying to talk a lot. Why you going in front of the camera? Why wouldn't you go behind? You get that. Um, all right. You don't have to adjust. We're good. We're good. Thank you. Thank you. All right.

So let's reset this in a few ways here, okay? That the Eagles now will get the terms of the trade, but I'm assuming 86 was in the deal. So that means they were at 78. So then Arizona, Cincinnati, Seattle. Indianapolis, Los Angeles, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, and Houston were in there. What I'm curious to see is the terms of the deal. I'm curious what picks they recouped. I'm curious if they moved up, maybe from like the 6th of the 5th or something like that.

What's that? You got the terms? Schefter said it is 86 and 123 for 78. 86 and 123. Okay. So 86 and 123. How does that work on the chart? That's a good question.

I mean, you don't actually. Yeah. You can just be like, yeah, it sounds right. Well, so 123. Actually, that's a fourth round pick. So this is a good deal. They trade, yep, they trade a third for a third and a fourth. That's a good deal for the Eagles.

Yeah. I like that. That seems like a pretty good price to just move back eight spots at this point in the draft, especially. I agree. That seems like a steep price. Good for Howie. Yeah. Howie season.

I'm sorry. I should be carrying this. I just want to inform those people. But it doesn't like when I tweet during the show, but Eagles trade number 78 for number 86 and number 123. So they moved down in the third round and get a fourth round pick. I mean, I guess this kind of goes along with what Bo was saying that like just hard to differentiate

from players here. Yeah. You know, there wasn't like an obvious offensive lineman. It also could mean that there's a linebacker they like, right? And they think, okay, that guy, maybe just Jeremiah Trotter. I don't know. But maybe somebody then gets a little bit later. And that is like really good value to move back.

Very good value. Jeremy Trotter. Let's just talk about that for a second. Sure. Look, he's on my guys here. I like the player. I've said this on the show. I don't think the Eagles are going to bring him to Philadelphia.

I think the burden that would come, the onus that would come with being, With having that name on the Eagles, and I'm not, look, I love this fan base. Love this fan base. You guys keep me employed. I like, right? I appreciate that. But I always listen to like talk radio and I read message boards. I try to get a sense of the fans.

And I hear, I've been hearing calls. They need the draft Jeremiah Trotter. You know, he, you know, what his dad was and like the tone setting. And I think the expectations that that name. would be that player, uh, would be unfair to him. Like if he's just a,

a, a midwink pick, then like a middwing player, just a depth player for you. That's unfair to him. He'll always be compared to his father. So I think that that's something that, that the Eagles are particularly mindful of.

Um, yeah. Uh, what do you think of him as a player? Like what, what are his strengths? What are his? Yeah.

So what jumps out to me is like the instincts, right? Um, and I say this linebacker, I've used the example of T.J. Edwards versus Davion Taylor. Linebacker is a position where to me, I don't care as much about the time speed. I care more about the instincts. Like, if you can get somewhere a half a second quicker, but it takes you a half a second to think about where to go, then you're not faster than the person. You're half a second faster.

And that's what Bo was saying. Yeah. It's just hard to coach that, right? That half second is so critical. Yeah. That's something you kind of just have to have. Yeah. And like T.J. Edwards wasn't drafted because of his 40 times.

Right? I mean, T.J. Edwards was awesome at Wisconsin, but he wasn't drafted because of his 40-time. You watch T.J. Edwards play. That guy's a legit starting linebacker in the league. He's paid to be a legit starting linebacker in the league. Davey on Taylor was drafting the third round because of his 40-time, right? Davian Taylor did not have the instincts that were necessary to play the position. Nice guy, really nice guy from Mississippi. But he went to Colorado, but grew up in Mississippi. But that was the issue. Do you want to come back? So the terms of the deal, Bo, I don't know if you heard this, but the Eagles traded number 78 for number 86, number 123.

So they traded a third rounder to get an extra fourth rounder. That seems to be a really good deal from my perspective. Yeah. Gave nothing else up? No. And who was used in the pick? Houston. No, no, do we know who they took?

The Texas state. Yeah, it's a lot to give up. Move back eight spots and pick up a fourth. Yeah, pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. 23. Who were you talking about there at linebacker? Jeremiah Trotter. Yeah.

Yep, Jeremiah Trotter. Well, just because it seems like you were saying, like there weren't offensive linemen who kind of differentiated themselves at that spot. So, you know, honestly, whether it's a wide receiver, whether it's a linebacker, you know, even if it's a guard or something like that, it seems like they were pretty comfortable moving back there. I think that was a really good price, frankly, too. It seems like a very good price. And yeah, I mean, we are like guessing about who it could be,

but there's nobody sticking out like a sore thumb except for Jonah Ellis. So once he goes off the board, you parachute down. Absolutely. And then I just want to give an update on where the Eagles are in terms of overall picks. Let me pull this up here. So the Eagles have right now, they have, like this page wasn't updated correctly. Okay, so here they have number 86, third rounder, two fourth round. There's number 120, number 123.

Yeah, Brenna's got it. She's all over it. Oh, Brennan, thank you so much. I apologize. Thank you. Oh, your boy. Look, Damiko. Yeah, you and Damiko.

Here, let me shoot Demico a text right now. I tell him. D'Amico, you know ball. Oh, that's right. Yeah, what do you think he's going to respond with? That's a little joke there, but. I'm handsome. What?

I'm handsome. Yeah, I mean, I would say, thank you, thank you very much for the, for the update here. 86, 120, 123, 171, 172, 210, okay? So the Eagles traded back in, or, you know, they made that second round trade, but now they have, they have two fourth rounders. They have a fifth and two sixth. Is that? I think that's a pretty good set up.

No, I think they have, I think they have more fifth rounders. don't they? I think that it's that 172 is actually a fifth. Oh, okay, yeah, okay. Sorry about that. Sorry about that. Yeah.

No, no, no, no. That's something. But do they have, they have 152, 171 and 172? They trade 170. No, they traded 161. They still have 171, 172. Okay.

I believe. Okay. So, yeah, so the Eagles are going to be active on day three, which is good because we have a lot of hours to kill tomorrow. We've got a long way to go. Seriously. I'm feeling it. I can tell.

Yeah. Yeah, it's not. That surprises me. I don't know what it is. That surprised me. What did you do today? Not that much. I don't know if it's the, it's this latte is not sitting well with me.

Like I've got a bit of a headache from the caffeine. Ah, a latte, huh? What kind of latte? Soy latte. Soi latte. Yeah. You're soy guy? Soy boy.

Soy boy. Sometimes. Okay. I don't know if it was the, it was the honey grow that we have. had. It's just, it's like I get a headache. I'm just, yeah, I don't know. Sure. Look at that.

By the way, I got to step straight here. I can't see myself. I'm sorry. I sit straight. Poster's horrible in this show. What do you think Brandon Graham's thinking right now? He thought he was going to do two picks and get out of there. He's got to stick around. I mean, he might have to stick around or if it's.

Oh, yeah. He's doing, but well, he was supposed to, he was supposed to announce 15 and 53. Right. So. But I thought that was just. second round. Oh, is it just second round? I think he may be off the hook.

Oh. I don't know. Now, this is a name that I actually don't remember how to pronounce. Goncalvis. Is it a hard C? Julia, want to get on screen? No. It is Gonzalves.

Matt Gonzalez. Going to Pittsburgh or going to Indianapolis. Wow, look at the size of these things. These are horse bills. Yeah, yeah. Now, one thing that I... There's no doubt about that. Idiot Sandwich is right. Zach is running circles around me tonight.

No, one thing that I said coming into this is that I thought perhaps the Eagles would try to... Try to add draft inventory next year. I wonder if they're going to come out of tomorrow with a fourth round pick. I'm getting old. Oh, yeah? Yeah, I'm feeling old. Yeah, delve into that. You're still 37.

You turn 38 on June 11th. Thank you. Yep. Yeah. You're the body? Like I wake up. When I wake up from a night's sleep, I'm feeling like sore. I'm very good with birthdays.

Knees are creaky. Brennan Chris, I will know both your birthdays by the end. I mean, you have to tell me now. But joy is January 23rd. Okay. I know that. Bo's June 11th. Rich, when's your birthday?

June 4th. June 4th. Okay. On June 4th every year, on June 4th every year, I'm going to send you a text. Bo, what's that text going to say? Let's make this the best year yet. Let's make this the best year yet. Yep.

What an honor. Yeah. Super chat. from MJ. Please get Julia to introduce yourself on screen. Julia.

Give the people what they want. Julia likes to be behind the scenes. Oh, Jermaine Burton. Okay. That's an old school Bengals pick. Yeah. Let me give you, let me give you my

Jermaine Burton tape. All right? Because I like Jermaine Burton. I think when you watch Germain Burton play and the highlights are in front of me now on NFL films, this guy can get open.

This guy's explosive. This guy has a lot of talent. I think he has top 50 player talent. The thing is, I got to be careful with my words here, to use like a scouting expression sometimes, like, like, you know, 50 cent head, right? Like he, he, I say top 50 talent, 50 cent, like he's someone who, the off the field questions are, or I shouldn't say off the field questions,

like the football personality questions are there. but at Alabama last year he was really productive a matter of fact when you go back and you watch Alabama games I mean I think J.O.Milro is going to catch a stray here the amount of times Joe Milro like overthrew him or missed him Jermaine Burton got open Jermaine Burton got open at Georgia. If you overthrew him then he wasn't you know you can never overthrow it to show Jackson

no like he would throw it to like out of balance yeah um like Clayton Thorson throw Yeah, you can't go to row two, you know. But at Georgia, he got open. So I look at Jermaine Burton and both as an old school Bengals pick. I remember they said that about Chris Henry. And for a period of time, Chris Henry was a really good player, you know. So, yeah, I like the Bengals picking this.

And you know what? He's got a character guy in that locker in that receiver's room. That's right. Andre Yosevas. Yeah, Prince. Yosey Vos. Yose Vos. Yep.

Who, by the way, if you are a coach, Flynn fan, as we all are on this show, you're closely monitoring the T. Higgins situation. Because if T. Higgins gets dealt, Andre moves up the depth chart. And that's an explosive. I mean, he's got one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. So the Eagles now, the Seahawks are picking.

Then comes the Cardinals, the Rams, the Stewards, the Browns, and then the Eagles. I just want to plan this ahead of time so I don't. I will probably dip out after the Eagles pick because it's near the end of the round and I want to make sure I'm there for how. I think we will probably do it.

We will. Okay. Okay. Yeah, when I'm starting to feel sick. Oh, I'm sorry to hear this. Do you want to take, I mean, I can. No, I'm here. Yeah, Rich and I can carry us.

I mean, you can carry us. Okay. I'm happy to. I mean, this is. This banner is a self-fulfilling prophecy, Zach. You are, you are. You are carrying us tonight. Did we get to all the super chats?

Oh, yeah. Let's get the... Julia. Julia. MJ. MJ, I appreciate this. A $10. MJ doubling down.

Looking for Julia. Thank you. That actually might be Julie's boyfriend, just like chiming in. But let's see, Roit, trade the third for Hassan Reddick. You know what's interesting in draft day trades? Okay.

I always find this interesting. Okay. Maybe I'm just the only one. When it comes to acquiring a good player, you can't get a deal. Like you, you know, they're like, I'm not giving you a third. I'm not giving you a fourth. But when a team's trying to move up four spots for someone, they're like, hey, I'll give you my fourth round pick, right?

You know, it's always odd how that works out. It's like the theoretical value of the guy that you want, you can't wait for it. I think the practical value of the guy. Yeah, it is not there. It's absolutely true. I mean, it's unbelievable that. Like Keenan Allen went for a fourth now. I understand salary has something to do with this, right?

But are you all right? I'm worried about you, Bo. I'm worried about myself. No, it's not a, it's not a pepto situation. I just don't, I'm trying to feel sick. Oh, yeah. I mean, I can read the Walker or the, uh, the, uh, the Rite ad if you want me to. Yeah, that might be awful.

Yeah, you can see a pharmacist about, um, you got an antihistamine or something. Uh, it's a great transition. Oh, there actually isn't a Rite ad ad, okay. That would be unbelievable. Look at that. Who is that there? One, two, three, four, five, six picks to go. So let's give our predictions down because if we're going to wrap up.

And by the way, I was thinking about this too. You know, we'll give you a lot of the analysis of today on tomorrow's show. Like, you know, we don't need to give you like an hour of analysis after the pick tonight. We'll be on air tomorrow. I should get ahead of this and say, Rich, it's been awesome. Appreciate you coming on these. past your days. Yeah.

Get Leson here. Yeah. He'll fire off some takes. Oh, yeah. We ask about Embeddh. See, but when Les says something about Embed, it's coming from a good place. Oh, absolutely. When he's criticizing him.

Yeah. Like, Les just like he treats everybody fair. Absolutely. And if he wants to bury, when he wants to bury a guy, I think it's from a good place. You don't always see that from other people. So, yeah. I really enjoyed the. Absolutely.

Less getting feisty on the other. What was that, Monday's podcast this week? Yes, Monday show this week. Yep. Love less. So to reset this year, Arizona is on the clock, okay, at 82. My draft tracker here is kind of messed up. Yeah, the draft tracker has been finicky.

Yeah, let me pull this up here. But Arizona is on the clock. Christian Haynes goes off the board. there goes an offensive lineman. Drift kissed here. So let's let me see. Sorry about this. Positions.

All right. I'm pulling up. I feel like the Wi-Fi. All right. Here you go. All right. I got it. Cardinals are on the clock.

Then comes to Rams. Then comes the Steelers. Then comes to Browns. Then comes the Eagles. Okay. And so when when you look at that, going to really need Howie to stick and pick here. Yeah.

I'm worried Howie's going to make that pick and he's going to run right downstairs. I'm not going to talk to him. But if I go over to him press conferences today, I promise you I'm not sleeping tonight. Well, that's not good. Yes. Do you want to leave? No, no, no. I will be here when the picks made.

Peyton Wilson. Cedric Gray I want Peyton's still there Cade Stover Josh Sanders Jellux Hunt My pick would probably be Jalx Hunt

Although they haven't gone to offense yet Eddie bitty teeny tiny Dominic puny The player I would pick is Troy Franklin I mean it's a surprise to me Troy Franklin Tip Ryman going off the board Interesting over Josh Sanders

Yeah well a totally different type of player Sure a maller with physical yards You have to catch a limited production Yeah exactly what you want 271 found tight end with limited production. Not too many tips around anymore. No.

No, you don't see a lot of tips. You're laughing because the, the third round pick for the Cardinals is just the tip. Is that Milton Burley joke? Milton Burley. It's Milton Burley.

What? It's Milton Burley. You know that? It's what Milton Burl? Oh, sorry. That's okay. I've only read it. I haven't.

No, that's fair. Sorry about that. Um, yeah, some Marshawn Lloyd's still on the board. John Sanders, Jadian Hicks, Cedric Gray, Peyton, Wilson. We should do one of these like war room like, like applause just after it's over, you know? Yeah, that would be good. Where's J.G. in there? There's Jonathan.

He's full of energy. I promise you that. It's not the stomach. I'm sorry, Beau. I got to tell you, though, if you can't come in tomorrow, we, we could just, just do a one hour post game. No. I'll be in tomorrow.

I'm not carrying six hours tomorrow. I promise you that. Rams are taking Blake Corum at 83. Ah, okay. So it's cross town from, do you know who the Eagles are going to have announced the rest of their picks? Is it just more players?

No, so today was Brandon Graham. They're just going to run BG out there again? Well, that's what we were discussing. I don't know if he's obligated to do that. He was supposed to do both seconds. I don't know if he's, if he's on the hook for this as well. I imagine he has a dinner reservation.

I hope he isn't. Yeah, I hope he's hanging out with his, his Michigan friends from back home. Yeah. With his family. Go back to Ann Arbor. Great food city, by the way,

Ann Arbor. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You're kidding me? I love Ann Arbor. I've had great times in Ann Arbor. Yeah. Yeah.

Somebody from Ann Arbor. Blake Corum. I'm from Ann Arbor, but he played his football there. Yep. I was, the Eagles played the Lions two years ago and I went in three years ago now. And I went to Ann Arbor that day. They were playing Michigan State.

I had a great lunch with Martin Frank at Zingermans Deli. Famous Zingerman. Famous Zingerman. Because you always talk about this, Zach, when you're on the road for an Eagles game. You like going to a college game. Yeah. How many Division I college stadiums have you been? Well, I used to cover college football.

So that that pumps it up. I mean, I've been in every ACC stadium. Virginia and Virginia Tech's non-conference schedule. But what I haven't done is I haven't done the SEC. And so, and the thing about the NFL beat is there's not really a overlap with the SEC. This year I was considered. Maybe New Orleans. Yeah, and Atlanta.

I kind of regretted a few years ago when the Eagles played the Falcons. I wanted to go out to Atlanta or to Athens. and say the game against UAB that day. I did not go. I should have gone. So I don't know about the ACC. Although, I mean, Virginia Tech, when I got the inner sandman going, that's Oh, yeah. Thursday night in Blacksburg isn't electric.

It is awesome. I've caught myself watching those YouTube videos before. Those are, those are good. And Virginia Tech is a great team to cover too. Like Frank Beamer back in the day, you used to have every practice was open. And you can go anywhere. Like, you know how in the NFL you had to stand on like, I would just walk around practice.

You could like get on the field. Oh, yeah. Like I could just stand there. Like you could like block the left. No, but like like stand like a like you can just walk around like right behind the drill. It was it was awesome. You could like tell Frank like that that doesn't look great, you know, to tell him the wrong. Frank was great to cover.

I mean all those assistant coaches, Brian Springsteing, Bud Foster, Michael Kane, Billy Hoke, I can keep going. The meme of Frank Beamer raising. Oh, yes. For the zero, zero score. So good. Deeks. Is an all-timer. Yes, Wake Forest is the other one.

Zach, of those college stadiums you've been in, though, what's the best atmosphere? And if it's not Virginia, or if it's Virginia Tech, what's the next best atmosphere? Well, Nebraska. What was it good?

So Virginia Tech played a game against Nebraska 2008. Another Michigan one just to cut you off. Roman Wilson going 34, or 84 here. Oh, okay. Tom was going to love him. By the way, Roman Wilson, if you want to know,

his dedication to football. He took an airplane to school every day. For a year in Hawaii. He lived on a different island. He wanted to go to a big time school there. Took an island, took an island hopper to get from one island to the next. It took him like two, three hours to get to school.

But Nebraska, Nebraska is so, so it's like, I remember telling someone, it's literally like Field of Dreams. Like, it's all flat. out there and um i think isn't lamo kind of like that too or it kind of pops up out of nowhere yes yes like like lambos in like a neighborhood but lincoln becomes the second or i'm sorry um memorial stadium becomes the second biggest city in Nebraska oh i love that doesn't on yeah on you on game day like just memorial stadium it is but the traffic in the traffic out so the press box and you look out um

and it's just a row of cars i i was writing my story about macho Harris having this game-sealing interception, and I really felt like I was Ray Kinsella looking out at all those cars in Diersville, Iowa for Field of Dreams. You ever been to Iowa before, speaking of Cooper D.G.? I've never been to Iowa City. Actually, Syracuse played Iowa back then, but I think Gelb went on the trip. Gelb, if you're watching, I don't know. He's probably covering the Phillies game.

Yeah, okay. I think Gelp took that trip to Iowa City. They're on the West Coast. All right. The Eagles have tweeted that they're on the clock. Eagles are on the clock. Okay. Jatavian, Sanders is a possibility. Troy Franklin, who we've talked about.

Those guys stand out as options in the passing game. Troy Franklin's the guy I would go with. Dominic Pune, Christian Mahogany, Tanner Bordellini, Adisa Isaac, Jeremiah Triter Jr. and Peyton Wilson. Possibilities. It's picking time, Howie. time to stick we got to get out of here I think trot would be fun

uh trot would be the best story um I would go Troy Franklin I could see them going with uh I don't have the old linemen in front of me puny mahogany

bordellini yeah I actually think that I I can see them going J-Ox Hunt here Edisa Isaac Austin Booker okay you love Austin Booker.

Eric Watts, who Fran mentioned earlier, as a nice little versatile inside outside type guy. Mm-hmm. So this,

the suspense is building here. The suspense may kill me. I'm thinking. I'm trying to get this. Every Big Ten stadium. Apparently the 49ers are on the clock.

I don't know if the Eagles traded out of this. Oh, no. Howie. The Eagles have traded down again. The 49ers are on the

block. The 49ers are at what number are we at? 85. 94. Whoa. Howie's watching right now. He's like,

do the alphabet or something? I think this is intentional. I think how he's got this on and they got this on in the draft. I mean, I know for fact that there's a lot of people and they really respect your football acumen. So they're watching this.

They want to see what both thinks. They see you're struggling. And they're like, you know, it's like a football guy thing, right? You know? The Eagles got 132, which is not the very back end of the fourth round. So they now have three fourth round picks. That means they're probably going to be moving up in the fourth round tomorrow. Unless he, I bet he has his eyes on a future pick.

Yeah. We are putting the sick and sickos tonight. This is not good. Let's see here. How are you guys doing in the back? I hope you don't have food poisoning because I'll feel so bad for recommending what we had. For what? Oh, yeah.

I'm doing great. Chris, that hollypop keeping you okay? Yeah, I know. They now have three fourth round picks. He's getting fun in the back of the back of the house. He's prescribed them. I'm prescribed. Talk about the Sixers next game.

So by the way, this is always the argument that I have for like trading up in the early rounds is that you can always trade back and recuperate picks. Yeah. Right? So when I always said like, you know, you can attach a fourth rounder, attach a fifth rounder because you can you can trade back and get that. But what sticks? There goes Zach Zinter.

Zach Zinter to Cleveland, which we already knew because. Or that pick already I know somebody he's playing behind That's right Oh Michael Don't look at that You are sharp of mind I'm probably the sharpest one But I've also talked

Maybe 100% less than I guess it's That's right I mean knowledge talks wisdom listens right So I I'm gonna lie down on the couch for 10 minutes Are you? That's fine Um okay

I'm sorry All right Rich, let's hone in here. So by the way, this is from Dan Grzy, from Dan Granziano. You would normally have nailed that. Yes, I would have. Now that we are approaching hour five. By the way, look at the St. Joe's prep on the screen.

Now is Kevin Stefanski. St. Joe's Prep and Penn. Pick 86 is a ping pong of a ball of a pick. The Eagles traded the Texans during last year's fourth rounder to move off for Kiley Ringo. Texas traded back to them to move up in the third round for Camel Bull. Eagles just traded again to the 49ers. So that pick is gone from the Eagles to the Texans to the Eagles to the 49ers. No one wants to pick 86.

They are 86ing 86. Very good. Very good. What's that? 86. Yeah, that's when Joy was born. So it's a great year. Yeah.

January 23rd, 1986. Yeah. You know not only the day, but the year. Well, she's the same year. We're the same year. So actually, I would, I wouldn't have, it'd be kind of weird if I knew the years of corner. Yeah.

Wait, is that bad? We're not going to get weird here, okay? Is that okay? I don't care. I've said Joy and I went to school together. Yeah, sure. We were in the same grade. So I'm aware.

I knew Joya didn't get held back or anything like that. So we were the same. If you were watching right now, by the way, thank you. Like this is over 1,000 people watching. I love it. Over 1100. Yeah. Don't say that.

What? A lot of you. This is unbelievable because at the I remember for the NBA trade deadline show, we did very good numbers on that. And we were pumped at 1100 people watching. That was during the day. And now we have that same number of people. So watching, Bo. I mean, he is.

So I got a text from somebody asking, why would you want a bunch of picks at the bottom of this draft? The implication being that this is not considered a deep draft because of an L.I. or N I. I'm sorry, NIL. Again, something else I would have gotten earlier. Totally. And I said, and I'm surmising this, I think they want to get assets to trade for a future pick. Okay?

As I've said, a number of times, Eagles don't have a fourth rounder next year because of DeAndre Swift. And I would imagine that they're trying to figure out how they can get their draft inventory back next year. One way to do it, you can easily just trade a fourth rounder this year for a fourth rounder next year. If they have three fourth rounders, that's easier to do. They started the night with one fourth rounder. They've ended the night with three fourth rounders. Of course, they started the night with two second rounders and no third rounders. They're going to end the night

with one second rounder and one third rounder. So the Eagles have, they were in a good position of 1553. I don't think that it was a problem trading off for Cooper to Gene. But if you thought they were going to get two like high-end players on this night, then that clearly has not occurred. Well, and it's what you were saying about Jeremiah earlier, right? Where he thought that there were basically 50 players. Exactly. And the Eagles, they definitely got two of those guys. Because I think everybody unanimously had the two corners that were, you know,

most people had both of them in the top 25. And now they're moving down and down and down for, I guess, kind of viewing it the same way. Yeah, someone surmised. Eagle Scout, Jeremiah. So, yes. So this is interesting. someone on Twitter, Jay Newman, said they wanted Zinter. And so let's put this together.

The Browns drafted right ahead of the Eagles. Now, we found out about the trade before the Zinter trade was announced, or the Zinter pick was announced. But Zinter, someone who I think is a plug-and-play guard, okay? Someone who the Eagles had visiting. Once he goes off the board, the Eagles trade back again, perhaps that's a sign that that's who they wanted. Now, in that case, you said, did the Eagles get too cute trading back twice?

Right? Could they just take a Zinter earlier? I don't know. Now, Vincent Pellegrini, who we know is Vince, says Franklin and Wilson Trotter. I don't think they're taking Trotter. I've said that before. I think that goes beyond the typical scouting. Troy Franklin, to me, I think he's a second round talent.

I think in it I said before I thought in another year he'd be a first round talent. Clearly the league disagrees with me if he's on the board late in the third round. Troy Franklin, though, I mean, this is what I'll say about him. You look at the profile. It is really intriguing. 21 years old, he had 80 plus catches, so I think 13 plus 100 yards. The only receiver in college football

who had more touchdowns than him these past two years, Marvin Harrison, Jr. Okay? The knock on Troy Franklin is the knock on Troy Franklin is that he's slight. Let me counter this. In 2021, the Eagles drafted a wide receiver who they also said it was slight.

That guy just got paid $90 plus million. Right? Very good player. Troy Franklin ran past people. He ran past people a lot. He had eight catches at 40 plus yards this season. It didn't happen by accident. So I really like Troy Franklin more than the league does apparently.

This is a really deep wide receiver class. I would go with Troy Franklin if he's on the board. That said, clearly the league doesn't think as high of him. Think he'd play in the slot? Yeah, I have. actually think he can play all over. Yeah, Troy, so here's some of the top, Daniel Jeremiah, did Troy Franklin go? Maybe he just doesn't think highly of him.

Interesting, he does not think highly of him. He's got Peyton Wilson, Christian Jones. So actually his top two guys here are two positions that the Eagles, we expect to be looking at. J.O. X-O.x-Hun is a guy I know that the Eagles are intrigued by. That's the converted safety, right? Converted safety from Cornell. What a career. Yes, covert safety from Cornell.

I'm jealous of him because he had a late growth spur. I was always waiting for that late growth spur. It never came. Absolutely. It never came. Yep. That was unfortunate. I'm probably the same height now as when Julia met me 28 years ago.

That's good. You got the year right on that. What's that? You got the years right on that one. That was good. It feels, now, this is impressive,

but it feels like you're filibustering. It feels like somebody who's like reading the phone book, you know, in Congress right now. Yeah. Yeah, it's, I mean, we're getting punchy right now.

This is, this is, yeah. Uh, by the way, I, I, I, I, I just want to say, I was never the one who said, like, let's, let's do a show the entire second and third round. Um, I think that was actually Bo's idea. Because, because when we had a meeting with some of our higher ups, they were like, you don't have to do, do you know, do that. Do you remember that, Julia? We don't have to do. You guys don't have to do the whole second and third round. And, uh, and Bo was like, you know what? I'll probably dip after the second round to make sure I'm over there. And Bo's like, no. Taking a man while he's down. Yeah, pose like, we're going to stay out over there. Yeah, we're going to stay. on. So here we are. It's kind of like, it's kind of like when you're in high school and you're going out and you got that guy who's who's like,

oh, yeah, I, you know, I can hang with the best of them. And then all of a sudden, he's, that high school? I tend to think of that as a college. No, that was a high school thing. Okay. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Either way.

We have different experiences. That's fine. I guess so. Yeah. No problem with that. I was just trying to find out where Joya was hanging out. And then, yeah. I wouldn't mind Marsha. Sorry, Joy, I didn't mean to embarrass you. No, you're fine.

Look, she's already, she's already done a lot to you. Although, yeah, she's posted on the video on Al for the public. So, um, so. Friendly fires, okay. Yeah. Um, so here you go here. Let's, uh, let's, the, the Packers pick is in. Let me pull up.

I got too many tabs wrong here. One, two, three. You see my more picks unbelievable. The Eagles actually tweeted JK too. Don't like that. Don't like that. Social media. I don't feel a lot of it.

Chris likes it? What? Yeah. No. Look, they're, they're trying to kill Bo, Chris. And I don't like that.

Yeah, I'm telling you, Howie's got this on one of the feeds in the office and he's just cracking up. He's just laughing. He's got it. Yeah. Howie, I want you to know, man.

I'm still rolling, but please, please, please. Don't go downstairs until I get the NovaCare, okay? If I go over two in press conferences today, because I missed the first one, and if I miss that, I have not missed a Howie Roseman press conference since 2014. Okay? What was the issue there?

When I was at the inquiry, I used to go to the draft in New York, right? And so I went to the draft in New York and, well, no, I should say 2016. I went to the, that was the last draft I, no, I'm sorry, 2017, the draft was in Philly. Okay. And I was at the art museum for that. And so I missed the first round press conference. That was the last time I missed a Hallie Roseman press conference. Marshall and Lloyd from Delaware. See, I would have liked that way. Yes. Yes. Dover, Delaware. It's one of those guys who drove a long way to go to school. Yeah. I kind of would have

liked it. Another running back from Wilmington to take on the Wendell Smallwood lineage. You're right. What's your thoughts on Dover? You like a Dover? I can't say I've really been down to Dover. I'm not sure. This was the question she asked me the other day. I said, I'd like to buy my electronics in Delaware. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I'm a, I, Zach, I was looking though. I was reading Jimmy Kempski's face-off power rankings from four years ago. Okay. Do you remember where you ranked on that list? I think I was like third maybe. You're fifth.

And I think he said I was too polite. Is that right? I deferred to people. Yeah. Here's what he said about it. And I'm going to read Bose too. You finished much higher than Bo on the rankings. But I also was thinking about Les too because

Les's face off like when he lost a face off, just watching the disgust on his face. Oh, he did not like that. Exactly. It was fantastic. So Jimmy wrote. Wait, by the way, Tyke Smith is a Philly guy. So shout out that.

He's from West Philly. Love it. Yeah. George Bulldoch. Yep. Okay. So Jimmy, Jimmy wrote, and this is 20-20, so maybe this has changed a little bit. You know, you got to change the draft board every once in a while.

Zach doesn't have a good win-loss record on question face-offs, as he is a victim of his own politeness. However, as noted above, he is only second to McLean for total questions asked because he never misses an interview session. That's what you think of. Oh, thank you. Yeah. Hell, Zach once post a question. postponed a date with the girl in 2012 to write about some nothing Eagles transaction. He wasn't sure if it was Jake Scott or Matt Tennant.

There have been a few of those. That was Matt Tennant. In 2012, that was Matt Tennant. Boston College offensive linemen. It was like Thursday night after practice. They signed Matt Tennant. I remember she was very nice. Probably in hindsight, well, in hindsight,

I'm not upset about it. I landed the catch of all catches, right? It all worked out for me in the end. But, yeah. So I'm happy I covered the man. I'm happy I covered the Matt Tenet thing. But in hindsight, like, I probably should have gone on the day instead of covering Matt Tenet.

I think you're right. Yeah. But no, there have been some that I've left early for. But I can tell you a story. There was a, it didn't, God, actually, I probably wouldn't tell you a story. just in case her husband now is watching or something like that. Oh, no. I don't know.

But there, no, I'm just, there was a. He's back. Don't call on a comeback. Oh, look at that. Look at that. Look at that. You know. A little cat happened.

Obviously, seriously, you let me take 10 minutes off. I'd be full of energy too. Elijah Jones. Hit that like button. Elijah Jones, the, the son of, remember the first, what is it, the first, black L'Oreal model according to the Dan Bruegler Beast

and then his father was in Brand Nubian I remember you bringing that up So where to both finish on that is? Great athlete and an old Bo finished 12th Oh what are we talking about? We're talking about the face-off power rankings

we're talking about Oh yeah and Jimmy wrote I will just read the top part of Bo if you listen to birds with friends you know that Bo is highly competitive which makes it a bit odd that he loses so many question face-offs

he is clearly third among too nice triumbrant in question faceoffs in a podium setting yeah I don't actually don't agree with that but hey look this was four years ago too

you might have gotten better too this is not you don't have to stay at that spot I would say but I was just saying I've actually gotten worse over the years I think oh that's not true I'm more willing to just be deferential

no you know what Bose good at now Bo gets that first question in sometimes Well, that's a timing thing, right? That's usually you getting the first question in. No, Doug Peterson used to always look my way. Yes. Nick Siriani doesn't look the way. And actually, so, I'll give a little inside baseball here.

So during COVID, I didn't want the first question because you'd only get one question. And I always felt an obligation to ask the injury question, right? You don't want to burn your question for the injury question. So I was never like the first question person after COVID, after the Zooms. you know it's a timing thing sometimes people what do you think of the move when people kind of as soon as seriani is you know maybe like the last three or four words of his question jump in a little bit yeah you know it's a dance it's a delicate dance so with nick that's i don't like that with with nick with jellin you can't control it because you don't know if jellin's finished or not but also with nick sometimes you need to cut him off he needs the help i don't know that's not our job to cut him off I agree with that. Have you talked about the last few picks? I've talked about everything else, bud.

Talk about a little bit of it. Yeah, what did I miss? What did you miss? So we talked about Marshawn Lloyd. Oh, so here. Marshawn Lloyd, some fun making missability. Dominic Pooning, you went to San Fran. The thing we said is the Eagles traded after Zach Zinter was picked.

Do you think Zach Zinter was the guy they wanted and they traded as a result to that? Oh, potentially so. Yeah. Tyke Smith, we mentioned a Philly guy. From that way, West Philly. So that way, actually. Yeah. I like Marshawn Lloyd, like watching him.

We're like a little bit more productivity, but that's okay. Marist Louavow from Notre Dame. So what are we thinking now? I think Howie's going to trade back a couple more picks. The good news, I mean, he only has a couple more picks in the round left. Do you think I'm going to make the press conference? I'm curious. Or do you think he's going to come right down?

Do you want to go? No, I want to be here with the fix made. Listen, you gave me that, you gave me that spell there. I'm happy to, I'm happy to let you go if you want to go. I think we're going to break it. Okay. Yeah. I think we're going to break it.

Let's go, baby. Hey! Okay. So we're closing in. Troy Franklin's still on the board hanging like something, something weird's going on there. Malik Washington, I like a little bit. The Virginia.

wide receiver. Jalen McMillan McMillan, more of the Kwez Watkins replacement type, and Javon Baker also offers you that downfield ability. If you want a running back, your boy Breland Allen is still on the board. Jalen Wright has not been picked yet, right?

No, that's correct. Okay. Audric Estime. That's your guy. Jotavian Sanders would be interesting. I think that would be fun. That would be fun. Theo Johnson, not quite as fun, although we can get back to some Canadian pronunciations.

Offensive line? I mean, yeah, like it's Bordolini, mahogany. That's about it. That's not great. Edge, go ahead. Austin, Booker, and Edisa Isaac, Dorless, Cedric Gray, Jeremiah, Trotter, Peyton Wilson at linebacker.

I'm going to say, I'm going to say it's Trotter, Peyton Wilson or Jotavian Sanders. I feel like something's going on with Troy Franklin that they're not going to just take him here. So I'm going to say it's one of those guys. Too skinny. Too injury prone?

Because he's skinny? I don't think he's not even that injury prone. But, you know, he's the, oh, Tyron Hopper, the, the animatronic frog. I like that. To the Packers. Probably got a good broad jump. Yeah, no doubt about it.

Well, the vertical. You think is you think hop is more of a vertical or abroad? I think now that you said it, I think it's more vertical. But I don't know though. It's a bit of both, right? I mean, I do think if you, if you're talking basketball and you say, guys got hops, you're talking about vert. But when I think of, but if you think of a frog, I'm thinking, you're thinking broad.

Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Way in on the chat. Way in on the chat. So if you guys, I should leave. Is a hopper more about the vertical or the broad? Vince thinks you should leave Vince says I should leave

I don't know if you think you can break it though You want to keep track on Twitter I'll be driving No I think you I think if you can break it I think you should pack your bag Okay Get your stuff ready

And then I don't actually know I don't want to sound like Cawkey or pomp I'm not like I'm not like Well but there's a chance You know

Bet on yourself Okay I think you should Yeah get your stuff ready to go So that once the pick is made you can bang on out of here. Comes right down. Do you think he needs to be prepped a bit?

I think he might want to be prepped a bit. Okay. Yeah. Do you think they want to wait until the end of maybe? I mean, they're so close to the end that he might want to just watch the end. Sure. See who else gets on. Exactly.

Now there goes Jalen McMillen to the Tampa Bay Bucks. I think a good prospect, Jilline McMillan. Some of these like these three bullet points, NFL network has gone there. Yeah, very funny. Yeah. Makes them all see. seem like great players. I mean, I guess they are compared to the average human, but no doubt about that. What do you think, Zach? What's your guess? My guess is J.OX Hunt.

My, what I would do is Troy Franklin. Okay. I'm going to say, I'm going to, yeah, I'm going to stick with Trotter, Peyton Wilson, or Jatavian Sanders. You really think they would do Trotter? Eagles are on the clock. On the clock. Here we go. On the clock, here we go. So a trade up of some sort? I think it might just, it might just be one pick ahead. Okay.

We're buzzing. We made it. He's going to trade back to the last pick of the round. He's done too much business with Washington tonight. Your Josh Harris stuff was really funny yesterday, by the way. Where do you land? I guess, you know, sex symbol? I want to echo everything you said.

All right, here we go. Who's it going to be? Who's it going to be? Who's it going to be? Who's it going to be? Jatavian Sanders. Is it going to be? Laden Robinson.

Adisa, Isaac, or Isaac Adisa, which one is it? We'll never know. Eric Watts, could it be? When is Zach going to go? They're taking Jaywicks Hunt. Jailix Hunt. Jack not only breaks it, but he predicted it. What a combo!

Ladies and gentlemen, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach. Jaylix, Hunt it is. They land on the player that they brought in for a pre-draft visit. And wow, you want to talk about somebody who's smart. This guy played safety at Cornell. Now, can you believe it? Six, three, and three quarters, 252, ran a four, six, four, 40-yard dash, 23 years old.

out of Houston Christian and DeBerry, Florida. Zach, why don't you get like five seconds of analysis in and then get on out of here. Yeah, J.O.X. Hunt is someone who I talked about on Anthony Gargano's show, like you said. Was that the senior bowl? You saw him up close. This is a developmental guy.

You're not drafting you for year one. You're drafting for year three. Year two or year three. You look at the traits, look at the length. Like you said, the size, a converted safety from Cornell, had a late growth spurt. I'm very envious of him. I wish I had a late growth spurt.

But in any event, J.O.X. Hunt is someone who I know around the league, there's been a lot of steam on him just because he has traits that are hard to coach. There you go. Or hard to find, I should say. I mean, what an unbelievable heater. This, I mean, the weekend of Zach, I'm in awe. I agree. Six more weeks of the banner. 152 pounds safety.

The error's never coming down. Love it. All right. Jalek, son, this is an interesting pick, and I would say the... All right, real quick. I'll see you guys. Please. I thank you. Everyone here. I thank you all. I'm so grateful.

And let's do it again tomorrow. You're the man. Thank you. Thank you, Zach. What a performance. Zach Berman, everybody. The new King of the Beats. Let's get the chat going one more time. Let's play him out with a Zach.

Zach. Zach. Zach. Zach. Zach. Zach. Zach. Zach.

Zach. Zach. It takes me 12 minutes. Howie takes him 12 minutes. He's going to do it in 10. Oh, I drive safe. No, I drive safely, he says. Go get him, Zach.

Amazing work. You're the man. I think this is the most questionable of their of their picks so far. I mean, of course, it's going to be this late in the draft

when everybody's got a wider variety of opinions on things. But it's a, it's as a gamble. And it's interesting. You know, we talked about the deviation

from their, their previous, like big school predilections, Houston Christian. Via Cornell. Yeah. Double dipping with the small schools. Yeah,

this one's a little dubious to me. I got to be perfectly honest. Well, I will say too. I mean, again, on the weekend of Zach, there's a lot of positionless football going on here. I mean, you got Cooper DeGine, who is the quarterback turned cornerback. Sorry, it took me a minute.

You have this guy, former safety going to D-end. Who does that? Jailix Hunt, Zach Berman talking positionless football. Zach also has Jalick's Hunt and Al what you know. The guy is on such a heater. I think, hey, look, Fangio could line them up at defensive. event and employment safety yeah wow jellix hunt it is at so what was that pick 94 that they took jellix hunt he was kind of a very popular kind of discussion guy though right for for the draft next right because

he's it's like got an interesting background interesting background uh big hands pretty long arms big wingspan round four six four as we talked about uh tested well in the jumps a bit of a bit of a time run hopper if you will. Oh, you know what? I'm just going to give you the full Dane Brugler, Jailix Hunt, and then we'll begin to wrap it up after that.

How's that sound? All right. Jailix Hunt, Houston Christian, and to Barry, Florida. Jalick's Hunt, who has an older sister was born in Memphis and grew up in South Florida. He enjoyed playing sports growing up,

but he didn't get involved with organized sports until his family moved to Hagerstown, Maryland when he was nine. Hunt started playing football and was a standout track athlete, also played the second. saxophone. I'm in on the pick. This is not written. This is opinion. Now that I know he played

the sacks, Eagles have replaced their Jason Kelsey Sacks, Love a Sacks, good for Jalek-Sunt. I'm in. At age 10, he placed first in the long jump, third in the shot put, fourth in the 400 meters, and seventh in the high jump in the 2011 AAU Junior Olympic Games in New Orleans. At the 2013 USA track and field outdoor junior Olympics in Greensboro, North Carolina, Hunt earned the silver medal in the 11 to 12 age division in the high jump, while also placing 14th in the long jump. Before high school, his family moved to South Carolina, and he spent his freshman year at Dutch Fork High School, great name. His family then relocated just north of Orlando ahead of his sophomore year, and he enrolled at University High School in Orange City. Hunt joined the football team as a wide receiver and cornerback, but at 5'7 170 pounds, he primarily played on the JV squad. As a junior, he battled a hip flexor injury and considered quitting, but he returned to the team and played in two games as a defensive back on varsity in 2017.

As a senior captain, Hunt became a starter, primarily at wide receiver and earned all county honors with 20 receptions for 475 yards and two touchdowns. Hunt lettered in basketball at university and earned honorable mention all area honors as a senior. He also lettered in track and produced personal bests of, well, you don't need to know those. A no-star recruit, love that. Hunt wasn't ranked by online recruiting services in the 2019 class. A late bloomer physically, he didn't have a ton of film before his senior season, but he attended double-digit recruiting camps everywhere from Orlando to Chicago the summer before his senior year. his first Division 3 offer came from Colby College in May 2018

shout out to the Nescac followed by Division 2 West Florida a few weeks later Hunt finally received his first and only division one offer when Cornell extended an offer in November 2018 he also had preferred walk-on offers from Florida Marshall SMU and chose not to do that took the full ride and the Ivy League education signed out the Big Red as a six foot two one hundred ninety five pounds safety after three years with the program, including a two and eight record in 2021, he entered the transfer portal. After a relatively quiet start, FCS Houston Christian, formerly Houston Baptist, offered a spot in June 2022. He transferred to Houston Christian, and the coaches moved him to a hybrid outside linebacker role.

His father James played football at Alcorn State and Ole Miss. Hunt accepted his invitation to the 2024 Senior Bowl. At his two years in Houston Christian played a 20, One games, 21 starts, and seven sacks in his first year with 11.5 TFLs. Six and a half sacks in his second year with nine TFLs and one interception. Strengths. Terrific mix of athleticism, length, and foot speed was just 195 pounds when he enrolled at Cornell as a safety and has worked hard to develop his musculature. Great word.

Fires out of his stance with burst and arc acceleration to threaten from different angles, models his game after Brian Burns. Body flexibility allows him to sink, dip, or wrap on his way to the pocket. Flashes pop with his hands on stunts. Experience at defensive back helps him better understand his keys to quickly read outside zone. Rangy run defender with the chase speed to make plays from the backside. Scored a defensive touchdown each of the past two seasons was a regular punt coverage, described as a positive locker room guy by NFL scouts. Players weaknesses. plays more like an athlete than an experienced edge rusher,

still very raw with his rush moves and doesn't show variety with his arsenal. Rush is upright and needs to do a better job rolling his hips to aid his speed to power attempts, doesn't play stout versus the run and needs to better use his long arms to lock out, press and stand his ground as a tough time disengaging once engulfed, often requires a beat to sort out what he sees and adjust his strategy, faced inferior competition in both of his SPF-F-C-S stops. Summary.

A two-year starter at Houston Christian, Hunt played the Leo role as an outside linebacker on the Huskies three-four-based scheme. A late bloomer, he was a 195-pound safety at Cornell. You know that. Despite only two years at the program, at a new position,

he led the team in Sacks in both seasons and was named the Southland Conference Defensive Player of the Year in 2023. As a pass-rusher, Hunt creates pressure when allowed to pin his ears back and race to the quarterback, although he tends to rush too upright and will need more of an assortment of moves. He plays with energetic hustle and pursuit, but he is more physical than powerful and needs to play bigger and more consistent versus the run. Overall, Hunt is overly reliant on his athletic gifts and needs to become

savier with his hands and pass rush approach, but his explosiveness, body length and willingness to be coached are attractive qualities. He is a draft and developed prospect, who can fill a sub-package role as a rookie and play special teams, grade fourth-slash-fifth round for Jalix Hunt. So you got the story. This is a bet on player development. He's got the quote-unquote tools in his body, but he's also 23 years old and making a huge jump-up in competition.

So this is a bit of a dice roll, but you can sort of understand the upside. Sounds a little bit like Davion Taylor, and, you know, we are at this part of the draft. Yeah, well said. As a prospect, obviously. And a position where that was, you can buy that a little bit more. Totally, right.

The football instincts don't matter quite as much. Also played football, like, just was playing a different position. Sure. And from BLG, I saw this on Twitter. Daniel Jeremiah said that he was told Jalick's hunt is one of Vic Fangio's favorite players from this draft. And if you notice, Bo, Bo, the Eagles announced. to him as an outside linebacker,

which makes sense. That's what their edge rushers are now, I guess. This is like the Zach Bond type is what I'm imagining. You're hoping that he one day can be Andrew Van Ginkle. Yeah. Yeah. Defense heavy, I think, is interesting. All defense.

Now they've got, you know, three fourth round picks coming their way. I would imagine we'll see some help on offense there, but interesting. It was, yeah, I was not expecting this. exact draft here. No linebacker, no guard, no receiver. I'll tell you who was expecting this draft. Oh.

The goat. The man. Zach Berman. What a performance. I pity you as to sit in the seat next. Yeah, I mean, it's going to be him probably tomorrow, but after that. After that, I mean, yeah,

you don't want to be the guy who replaces the legend, you know. As he would say, you don't want to be Bill Guthridge. Totally. I mean, he mentioned the Miami Heat with LeBron James a while ago. I mean, I feel like Mario Chalmers right now watching this. Just an honor to be along with them. I mean, how many, how many is he going to break this weekend? Not one. Not two. Not three. Not four.

Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach. Okay. Well, mercifully, that'll do it for the, P-H-L-Y Eagles podcast. Draft Day Night 2. We are going to be back tomorrow at noon for we're planning to go

through the sixth round. So it should be a lot of fun. We're going to have Les Bowen joining us the second hour. And the Eagles got a lot of action. They're probably going to be wheeling and dealing moving all around. We're going to stay on our toes,

keep our heads on a swivel. Very excited to see what the Eagles do to fill out this draft class. It has started with Quinnion Mitchell in round one, a trade-up for Cooper Dijin in round two, several trade-downs for Jalick's Hunt in round three. We're excited to find out what happens from here. Thank you to everybody for spending your Friday night with us.

But by the way, hell of a comeback by you. Everybody in the chat is saying it. I mean, bow, bow, bow, bow, bow, bow, bow, bow, bow. How was that nap? I mean, real quick. It wasn't, it was, I mean, well, I can tell you about it. It was, I didn't nap. It was like I needed to, I needed to just close my eyes.

Just take, just take 10 minutes off, basically. Yeah, somebody says no, latte tomorrow. I'm not having that. I had this latte last night. It was great. I felt, I felt, I felt great last night. I figured I'd go back to the well tonight, and it just, that's really good.

and I didn't feel it tonight. I don't know what it was. Just, you know, something with the body chemistry wasn't working tonight. I felt just out of it. But you know what? Got the juice. That was amazing.

I'm ready to go. I'm ready to go another round. Dude, you were dead for like 30 minutes. Yeah. You go in there for that. I didn't feel good at all. You go in there for 10 or 15. And it was like, it was like,

a puke and rally without puking. It was like that was the you know, it was like, oh man, I am not in a good place. And then, you know, just took a little timeout. Sometimes you need the coach to take a time out. I'm ready to go.

Let's start round four tonight. Let's do this bad boy. Yeah, I feel good. It's good. I mean, let's not do that. Zach is carrying the load so heavily that I got to do something to help the team. I mean, wide open corner three.

I got to knock. one of them down. Totally. Yeah. All right. Well, thank you to everybody for joining us. And most of all, thank you to our trio, our talented, dynamic trio behind the scenes. Julia, run in point.

Brenna just, like, destroying these graphics. And then, what's your name again? I'm kidding. And then the Jets. Do we feel good about the Jets? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. What's the overrunner on quarters played for Aaron Rogers this year? Okay. That's good. All right. I might go under. And please do, like, if there's an embarrassing thing you need to do of me on social to get to even the scales with Zach, feel free to do it. It's only fair.

Thank you to Chris. Brynick, Julia, everybody watching. Thank you to Zach. Hopefully he's made it to Novicar by now. everybody's there and it doesn't sound like Kai Roseman has started yet. So I think he's in good shape. He'll be happy. Uh, that'll do it for the draft day live night two.

Back tomorrow at noon. We will talk to you then. And as always, we love Zach.