PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | NFL Draft Round 1: Eagles stay at 22, draft Toledo CB Quinyon Mitchell, per @ZBerm!

Episode Date: April 26, 2024

Join Zach Berman, Rich Hofmann and Bo Wulf throughout the entirety of the first round of the NFL Draft for reaction to the night’s events, from the shocking Michael Penix Jr. pick to the drama of whether the Eagles would trade up to the scoop heard 'round the world.Toledo's Quinyon Mitchell is headed to Philadelphia and we break down the upside of the Eagles' new young corner. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

for the P-H-L-Y Eagles Draft Night Show, presented by Butcher Box. Butcher Box is offering our listeners an amazing offer where new users can get free meat. What's better than that? Plus $20 off your first box. Join today using our link at butcherbox.com slash P-H-L-Y and use code P-H-L-Y to receive this exclusive offer today before time runs out. Welcome to the first night of the NFL draft. Boat Wolf, Zach Berman, going to be joined in a little. little bit by handsome rich rich hoffman is here on the scene pulling double duty watching the sixers

watching the eagles but we got big news that before the draft starts with the chicago bears on the clock the eagles making a move how you doing i'm doing great i'm so excited been looking forward to this all day you have the uh the energy like from early this morning and you want to pre you want to conserve it knowing that we're on for a long time tonight you're a morning guys could be a tough couple nights for you and then you know finally we're a few minutes before the show the adrenaline is rolling ready for each pick and and get a text the eagles are resigning or or signing a j brown to a three-year contract extension wow okay uh the reported terms you see this from adam schaftery in rap report 96 million three years makes him the highest paid wide receiver in the nflbill in the nfl uh

Major move, of course, for the Eagles. It's through 2029. He's now the longest player under contract longest in the franchise when you discount void years from the other guys. So this is three years on the back of the next two years, basically. Yep. Okay. And there were obviously questions. We discussed it on the show, whether the Eagles would be able to keep both Devante Smith and AJ Brown. And they answered that emphatically tonight with a major deal. Well, you've got to wonder now with AJ Brown locked up, does Devante Smith get wandering eyes and say they paid him, you know, where's my money? I don't anticipate that. No, I think Devante signed his deal. They're good there. What do you make of the timing here, is that? Yeah, so that's the interesting part too, because of, of course, when you sign a deal like this, we've talked often about how the legal structure contracts, it will give them short-term cap relief, right? So the impetus of it could be them working on something else. We will monitor that. Certainly,

This is something that was on the table. The Eagles view A.J. Brown as a core player here. AJ Brown's on a Hall of Fame trajectory. It's going to happen here in Philadelphia. But the fact that it happened right now, that is interesting. When you say it could be in conjunction with something else, what could that mean? Well, the one, no, I'm not reporting this, right? So it's just us talking in front of our audience here.

One thing we talked about is the potential of training for a veteran, right? Maybe Patrick Certan becomes available. if the Broncos are trying to trade up to get a quarterback and they need draft inventory. And so this is a way for the Eagles to open up potential cap space there. Maybe there's a day two trade for a cornerback who's on, you know, you talked the last show about a Marshawn Lattimore, right? But certainly when you do a deal like this at this time, it could just be this is when the deal was done.

My understanding is this came together fairly quickly. and so that could also suggest they wanted to get this in at a certain point. Maybe the rumor is swirling about the bears being interested in trading for A.J. Brown for the number nine pick, which, which, which, well, I believe I saw that on all p.l.com. It could have been in conjunction. Oh, oh, oh, in the mock draft. I got you. Okay. Just saying, it could have contributed. Yeah. You went straight from the bid on the show to the bid on all pHOW. Not a bit at all. Not a bit at all. That's what I think is going to happen. All right now. well we don't know that yet i don't think they're trading him after this deal um for one all that matters is getting the guy right that's what you're saying okay is getting the guy right sure

but as as as far as as the timing forward too the other thing could be that you know they've they caught wind that a deal's coming for a justin jefferson or a t higgins or or you know jimarche someone like that right and and they want to get in front we've talked in the past that about the eagles not wanting to react to the market, but trying to set the market. You saw that with Devante Smith, and then Amman Ross St. Brown gets a bigger deal a few weeks later. It's not apples for apples, of course. Smith had the fifth year option, but with Howard Roseman, I always imagine there's an impetus to it. It's not just he woke up one day and decided to give a contract extension.

Do you think that this changes their draft plans? And then would this bump a receiver like a round down, but breaking a tie? you know like they're not going to draft a brian thomas if he's the best player on their board of 22 because they've got these two guys left up i don't i think the conditions that i said would lead them to want a running back i'm sorry a wide receiver on the first two days are still in place the only difference is i had said by the end of that rookie contract that guy might be one of the top two receivers that won't be the case now but as as you've pointed out to me the third receiver still a starter yes and also just because he's signed through 2029 doesn't mean he's going to be here through 2029. That's the things change quickly in the NFL.

Sure. But yeah. But if you take a receiver in the second. Yeah. Of course. Of course. Yeah. I think that that is probably less likely today than it was yesterday. Sure.

Okay. Well, Zach, we've got a long way to go. Tell me after we spoke yesterday, you know, you're reading rumors all day long. You're seeing reports of the Eagles wanting to move up. So it can be for a tackle or a corner. Let's set our expectations right now. What do you think we're going to see? from the Eagles draft-wise tonight?

I think the Eagles are going to make a trade-up. And I think they're going to trade up targeting an offensive lineman. My position hasn't changed there. I can't tell you what offensive lineman that's going to be. Of course, I said on the show yesterday, and I wrote on all-P-H-L-Y.com, that I think it's going to be Troy Falunu, just based on how I think the board's going to fall, based on the way I expect him to be interested in him.

They, of course, brought him in for a visit. the style of play jumps out the athletic testing jumps out some of the concerns that i have personally i don't i think might not be as big a deal with them the that said there's a number what do you mean by that i'm i mentioned the age right like i you know a guy's turned 24 but that's that hasn't stopped them in the past with offensive lineman um and the height is not ideal there but the 34 and a half inch arms makes you confident that he can handle playing on the at tackle if it comes to that, but certainly would be a guard early on. You big Eminem guy, Zach?

See Eminem addressing the crowd on. My big Eminem guy? No. I like Eminem's, the candy. The Eminem. I like Jared Goff. I just saw him addressing the crowd. I like Amman Rosset Brown.

Eminem, I don't dislike it. I saw the movie 8 Mile. What did you think? It gave me a great understanding for, like, Connor Barwin and Brandon Graham. I'm like, you're up. That is an unbelievable takeaway from the movie 8 Mile. It gave you a great understanding of Connor Barwin. That is.

I don't believe, you know what, it's interesting. I'm sure as an artist or as a director, you know, the screenwriter, you're wondering, you know, once the art is out of my hands, who knows how people are going to take it. but never in a million years where they have thought, wow, this is going to give people a better understanding of Connor Barwin. Well, if you read some of my old Connor Barwin stories, you know the connection between him and eight mile. Okay, let's hear it. Well, he's from a part of Detroit,

and then he played basketball. I think it's been quite some time, but I think he went across. They called him C Rabbit. They called him Crabbit. Yeah, so to answer your question, don't have a strong opinion on Eminem, don't dislike him, don't like him,

You seem to have a lot on Eminem. Well, he was on the screen. Do you like his music? There have been times in my life when I like, when I like, I'm not a slant. He's got a song, Till I Collapse, that in high school was a big pregame song. Like, not pregame drinking, like pregame for an event. I put that together. Get you in the mode.

I'm glad you clarified that for the audience, though. Well, you know, you want a Miller Light. You can pregame that. But to like that. And then, of course, I mean, the eight mile freestyle. Fantastic. How are you as a freestyler? How do you think I am?

You were very quick on your feet so to imagine good. Yeah, I mean, I'm no Connor Barwin. Is Connor Barwin a good freestyle? I don't know, but I assume he's basically B-Rabbit from what I understand. I meant geographically, okay? And Brandon Graham as well.

Brandon Graham, by the way, is announcing the Eagles picks. Tomorrow night, we'll see what picks they are. But he gets to go back to his hometown. I've spoken to Brandon a few times. about Detroit. Loves the Coney Dogs. Are you a Coney Dog fan? I would say that I have no opinion on a Coney Dog, but I'd be happy to try one.

So you view Coney Dogs the way I view M&M. Just no, you're ambivalent toward. Well, no. I mean, you have an opinion. He's taught you much about the players that you cover. So, by the way, when I look at my phone, typically, like, you know, you're getting texts from people that you know in the NFL. Tonight I'm getting a bunch of texts from my brothers.

about the Sixers game. So I don't have the Sixers game on in front of me. They can help you. Yeah. So I'm happy in the chat. If you guys are in the chat and thanks to everybody for being here with us tonight, Leah, let us know what's going on because we've got the monitor on the actual draft on NFL network.

We've got the monitor of our show and the comments. And then all the way across, we can see the TVs where Devon and Rich are watching the basketball game. I think Jamie Lynch is doing the post game show with Devon. So we've got you covered from. all angles on all P-H-L-Y tonight, but yeah, let us know what's going on. You think the Sixers are going to win tonight? Of course you do.

And why do you say, of course I do? Because you predicted them to win the series and you're a fan. So I would imagine you think they're going to win tonight. I try to be an astute observer. Okay. I like them in this matchup. They're five and a half-point favorites, right? So they're expected to win tonight.

They should have won game two. I think this is, if they were playing Boston tonight, I wouldn't think they would win. but I think they would be, I think they're going to beat the Knicks. But if someone can tell me, what is Reed set up tonight? And he's got Sixers, he's got draft. What do you think he's doing? So watching our show. What's up, Reed?

Hope that. He's allowed to, so he's allowed to stay up, but we'll see how long he makes it. But then, yeah, he's very tuned into the Sixers. He was playing, he was playing NBA 2K when I left. Okay. Sixers versus Knicks. And that was going to be the indication of whether they would win or not. that he was winning the game when I left.

Okay. And so. Look forward to the two-minute report from that game. Sure. There you go. But yeah, apparently Buddy Heel should have hit. There's a shot he should have hit, according to my brothers. Well, so.

Sounds right. But so the, before you ask me about eight miles. Yes. Okay. What was your question? You were talking about Troy Fautano. You were talking about what we think they're going to do. I agree with you.

My expectation for tonight is that they're going to trade up for an offensive linemen. now I know the bit was very funny what bit okay the jail and Hertz trade AJ Brown trade all that I believe those things are happening one offensive line and they would trade up for who is it

Mary's Mims I wouldn't do that I am on record with my predictions okay all right you're sticking to that there's nothing to stick to I that's my prediction my understanding is that all that matters is you predict the first-round pick correctly. So that's what I've done.

I think you could make a case for all of them. I think you could... Yeah, I'm asking you to be so... Well, here's one thing that I would say. Daniel Jeremiah and was it Peter Schroger who both had them trading up for Talisi. Fawaga. Yep.

Close. Well, if this is his big night, you know, let's get it right. Talisa. Fawaga. Fawaga. Talisi, Tilii Fawaga. He is the one

offensive linemen of this top six or seven who I don't see being an Eagles type of guy and the reason I say that is because you're not supposed to qualify unique I sort of think you can

he is the least unique of these guys critical factors as he doesn't he's not he's not abnormally large and athletic like Amerius Mims or or Tyler Guyton right

he is not supremely athletic like Troy Fautano. He is not this people mover like J.C. Latham. He is technically sound. He checks all the boxes. But he is

less like 99th percentile in any category. And the thing that you hear about him that is his like superpower, if you will, is like this toughness, this tenacity. And I'm a little bit skeptical of that's the guy's number one thing. and I don't think that that would be worth trading up for.

And I don't think the Eagles would think that that is worth trading up for. Now, I also think that if Jeff Stoughtland falls in love with a guy, they're going to trust Jeff Stoutland. But I would be skeptical that he is the answer. So let me ask you this, because you mentioned Daniel and Peter, Daniel Jeremiah and Peter Schrager, both have him. Well, big flex to go first name basis there. They both have him slotted to the Eagles.

Jeremiah changed his mock draft, actually, to have Fawaga there. He initially, I think, thought they were going corner. Do you think that's based on, on, do you think there's word around the league that Fulaga is a guy the Eagles like? I mean, I did hear earlier this offseason that Fawaga was, am I pronouncing it correctly now, Fawaga, was someone Joe Douglas really liked.

Now, Joe Douglas, of course, is no longer in the Eagles front office, right? Joe Douglas and Daniel Jeremiah have a long background together. so they could see players similarly, but Jeremiah was in the Eagles front office. Now, as you pointed out, Jeremiah hasn't hit on the Eagles picks in recent years. Is that correct? Yes.

But he does know Howie. Schreger is very plugged in. Peter knows Howie well, knows people in the building. Like, do you think the Fawaga thing could be a smoke screen? Do you think it could be, do you think there's behind the scene smoke there? I'm sure that there is a,

portion of that that's accurate i think it's probably more likely that uh people are of the opinion that they're going to trade up for an offensive lineman and they're slotting the offensive lineman where they think they're going to go i think that jeremiah has been throughout the process higher on fuaga than consensus and i think that could be part of it too what do you think yeah i i mean i wouldn't dismiss him as a possibility i think for i think troy faton who's a player that they would be interested in I would be interested in Amarius Mims well obviously

I've said J.C. Lay them throughout this and seems like he may not be there yeah I said in our mock yesterday watch out for the Chargers there you're hearing a lot of Chargers buzz now of course that could be a smoke screen but I heard Harbaal really liked him coming out of high school

something to the store away Amarius Mims I've been talking about the first mock draft I did on all p hly.com. I know I'm violating my rule where I'm like you you can't do four mock drafts and say I had him in this one. I bring this up because MIMS is someone who I personally think is a real high upside player. A point I've made off camera that I will stand by is that I wouldn't necessarily call him

raw as much as I would call him in play in those eight starts. He played at a high level. He was in there in the national championship game playing at a high level. So yeah, he needs more experience, but I think there is a distinction between being inexperienced and being raw. Well, Zach, it seems as if the action has begun. The pick is in for the Chicago Bears, our brethren, with all CHGO. Very excited throughout the entire process about Caleb Williams and Caleb Williams, it is. Oh, okay, so we're not writing that down.

Well, I feel like this one. Now, we have these whiteboards here that we were going to do. just write down our predictions. But we can't wait until the pick is in because we know, like, we know who it is. Well, yeah. But check out those graphics. I mean, that's fantastic. Yeah, we should give a shout to everyone behind the scenes here tonight.

We're helped in a big way. Oh, yeah, we're loaded tonight. We got Julia. We got Brenna. We got Chris. Everybody's working hard and just killing it. So Caleb Williams, I think that's kind of exciting. I like Caleb Williams.

Yeah, you liked him last year, too. I remember us talking. Yes. I liked you two years ago, I was watching the, The Oklahoma Oklahoma State game. That's what I call on a lot of them. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, Caleb Williams. Really going out on a limb here. Yeah, I think he's a really good player. I like this pick for Chicago. Let's discuss the ethics of our show here in terms of tipping picks. Okay. Are we going to wait for it to see it on the broadcast or are we going to go with when we see it coming across our screens on Twitter? I kind of think this is an online show.

I think it's okay to tip to pick. However, I think for the Eagles pick, we should wait until it's shown on the screen. I can't commit to that. I can't commit to that. What if I get a text that they're taking so-and-so? If you can break it, then, yeah, go ahead. Okay.

So that's what I'm saying. Okay. Yeah. I mean, go ahead. Flex a little journalistic muscle. But if you don't, don't pretend that you get a text if you see a tweet. I would not do that. What if I'm the one putting the tweet out that other people are then saying,

according to a source, right? So, yeah, we'll see. But yeah, Caleb Williams, so we will go based on, you know, if it's in front of us on Twitter. I suppose we can't wait on the Eagles, but yeah, people are watching here. So people have second screens, third screens.

I hope people can kind of tune in to the Sixers game as well. But Caleb Williams, I think it's a great pick for Chicago. Interesting. Yeah. Well, I was wondering, because you are such a bastion of masculinity

if you thought that like the Caleb Williams crying on the sideline was a mark against him. I mean, there's a good chance he'd be sitting down. First off, how, what makes you think that? I think that... The man in touch with his emotions. So you think if you're in touch with your emotions,

you pee sitting down? I just think he's a man who's not so guarded about being perceived as unmasculine. That's all. It's not big... Okay, well, let me clear this up. Okay, if you're peeing, there's no perception of you. I wouldn't talk about peeing standing up or sitting down unless you ask.

But it's the umbrage that how do you even suggest that I will be sitting down? A matter of fact, I think you're doing, frankly, what these anonymous scouts are doing, which is you're generalizing Caleb Williams. You're essentially saying because Caleb Williams was emotional after a game, then he's, then he must pee sitting down. No, because I don't think that that's a bad thing. I'm not putting that on it. I just don't know what one has to do.

He just goes about doing what makes sense for him. I don't do with the other. So this is that I don't cast aspersions on anybody. Like you be you. I'd like that, Caleb. I just, I believe in authenticity. I respect authenticity. Jason Kelsey always says that, right?

If Caleb Williams, if he, I see him now, he painted his nails, right? I have no, I've no issue with that. Be you, Caleb, right? What I care about from the, from the quarterback is A is he, talented. B, does he work his butt off? Like, see, is he gonna, is he, how is he, how is he with his teammates? Um, there was, there's, there's so many factors here that I don't care about the cosmetic stuff, right? I don't care about the, if they wear their hat backwards. Um, if he gets emotional, I frankly think it's a good thing. Like you, you, you want your guys to give a crap.

If he gives a crap after a big game, after they lose after a big game, I like that. I have no issue with that. Like I saw a scouting report that about J.J. McCarthy, you know, he, he meditates before every game, right? And it's, it's like, how are you going to do that in, in the, in the, in the IFC East? Like, come on. I mean, just do it. Yeah, exactly. Like, if fans are screaming, that's exactly why he's, he's doing it. I imagine to find his, you know, his like inner chi is, is that the term? Could be. Yeah. That's a term, right? I'm not. That's a term, yeah.

Yeah. In Tai Chi, you try to find your energy, right? So I don't meditate, but I hear great things about meditation. And I have no objection to JJ McCarthy doing that, nor Caleb Williams being in touch with his emotional side. What are your expectations? Do you think that Caleb Williams is like taking the league by Storm right away? You think he's going to be really good right away? Well, yeah, because I think they have talent there, right?

I'd like the Keenan-Nallon trade. I like DJ more, obviously, Philly guy. shout out the DJ Moore From? From? Which direction? Okay, so this studio here, sorry. It's interesting because this studio is the exact same as the other studio.

Okay, so that's what throws me out. So 95 is this way. Correct. So the north is this way. Yes. South is this way. East is this way. West is this way.

Yes. Okay, so he is from that way. Okay, nice. He's from... We're off to a roar and start tonight. Northwest. Okay. So that way.

Yeah, exactly. Not bad. Yeah. Commanders on the board here, Zach, and everybody seems to be saying this is going to be Jaden Daniels. But not you. I'm not saying it's not going to be Jan Daniels. I just think when you have a first time GM who is maybe closing ranks, I think there's a possibility for a little bit of chicanery. Okay.

We'll see what happens. There's about two and a half minutes left here. Yeah. You're expecting Jaden Daniels. I'm expecting Jaden Daniels. I'm not saying that it's the right move. or wrong move. I liked Drake May more than some seem to.

But Jaden Daniels, the year he had... Should we write this one down? Yes. For the audio listeners, we are writing on a whiteboard. And the pick is in. Whiteboards are hard for lefties, by the way.

Why are whiteboards harder than paper? Well, because you're using marker. You're coming across. You get it on your... Yeah, exactly. All right. Well, we'll flip it around. One.

Oh, let's wait for the graphic to... Oh, great job on the... Great job on the... graphics. Jaden Daniels, Jaden Daniels, and the pick is in, and it is Jaden

Daniels for the Washington commanders as an NFC East team, Zach? How do you feel like this changes the shaking in their boots factor for the Eagles?

Yeah, Jadenials is, I mean, first off, he's an experienced player, right? I mean, I saw a clip the other day of... It's another way of saying old. Well, an older draft prospect, but not necessarily old,

but, you know, started his career at Arizona State, like pre-COVID was playing against Justin Herbert. So that goes to show you the age there. The year he had last year, he was so dynamic now. He played with two first round wide receivers, right? I don't have the sound on, so I don't even know what this is about, but it's just great to get a text from a friend that just says Goodell sucks. Sorry, go ahead. Now, Roger Goodell, by the way, I saw Adam Schaftor report.

He's coming off back surgery, and so. Yeah, it's got to be off a few teams draft boards, I would imagine. Well, apparently the hugs are in question. Is he hugging tonight? Because Adam said that he's a draft time decision for the hugs. I think Adam called it the trademark hug. I don't know if it's or a patented hug, I think it was in the tweet. I don't know if I would call it patented, but.

Nor would I. What's that? I said, nor would I. But we will see here. Did he hug Caleb? Can the chat chime in? So Jane Daniels, Zach, the book on Jane Daniels, as explosive and dynamic in the open field

as any quarterback in recent memory, like on the Lamar Jackson level, right? Maybe a little bit more of a straight line speed. What do you think of him as a passer? Oh, I mean, the quick release, like he's everything you could want in terms of the dual threat ability. The knock on him is how slight he is, right?

It's pretty slight. If that worries you, I mean, he's not your, you know, 6-3-225. He's what, 6-3-200, 2-10 thereabouts. But look, he played exceedingly well last year in the SEC,

40 plus touchdowns, 10-plus rush touchdowns. And... It's only four interceptions. Yeah, wins the Heisman trophy, like convincingly. It's good talent to gamble on. I mean, I think... I think Drake May would have been a fine pick here, but if you're making, like, an informed bet,

Jaden Daniels is coming off a better season. It's a big hug right there. There he is. Okay. The dual threat ability is like that's going to help him from day one. I thought Kyler Murray did a good job like running passing in that Cliff Kingsbury offense. Right. So there's something to work with there.

Let's see. By the way, Josh Harris. This is what we were wondering. Is Josh Harris there? Is he a Sixers game? Do we see Josh? Looks like Josh Harris is there in this screen. Yep.

He just, there he is. Okay. So Josh Harris. There's that trademark sex appeal. Josh Harris, not at the Wells Fargo Center. Oh my gosh. Just oozing machismo. Who?

Josh Harris. I mean, wow. What's the joke there? There's no joke. He's stone cold sex symbol. Yeah. Now, I think after a game last year, you took umbrage to his sweatshirt. Is that right?

I did, yes. Okay. He doesn't look like he's wearing a sweatshirt in that. Well, no, because as an NFL owner, you cannot be seen to be anything other than like the highest of billionaire status. Whereas if he's sitting at an NBA game, he wants to look like one of the people, but instead he's wearing like a $10,000 sweatshirt. Is that how much it cost?

It was actually a $1,500 sweatshirt. But for as far as sweatshirts go, it's preposterous. You really dislike him. That's what I don't get. Like, what's he done to you? You know, his team is playing a playoff game. He's not even there. It's hard to be two places at once, right?

Yeah, especially when you don't care about one of them. Well, I can't really answer to that. Jordan, we're so happy to have you as the leaner of our franchise. I'm going to try to get you in touch with Daryl Morey. I feel like you guys will have a lot in common. And we're just really excited about what you can bring to this organization. Is Mori touching you straight here? yeah be careful there i mean i'll defend mori any day

just just over the moment about this one jane really excited you're josh harris you've such random people you dislike what's random about disliking josh i i am ambivalent toward josh harris hey jami i think he's been a good owner for the sixers james what do you think of josh harris do you want a mike i'll just lean over one of you

Okay, here you go. Jamie Lynch, everybody. Hello. Welcome. Josh Harris. I actually think he's a quality owner for the Sixers that has a big investment and was hands off. And he let the basketball people do their basketball things. But I think he's a ravishing, handsome, masculine man, Bo.

If that's maybe what you're referencing. He was a wrestler in college. Yeah. You don't want to mess with him. He'll take you down. I'm not worried about that. I bet Josh Harris can beat you in a fight. I would take Josh Harris over you.

Don't mess with a wrestler. He like runs marathons? Yeah. He's not going to know what I'm coming. Who said it's got to be a fair fight? All right. So yeah, Josh Harris. Well, Jimmy, you're on the wrong side of the street.

Yeah. Pick is in here. So the Patriots looks like they're not trading this. are not trading the pick they are staying at number three i have my written my name written down we both have drake may it looks like so i have a question in my mock draft i did a trade but i get the spot right how do those like ben standing does a great job in all these mock trades actually i hate the way that these things yeah what's the scoring is it like team and slot is it's like it's like two points for the right slot one point for the right team or something stupid like that so uh i know the vikings were

interested in Drake May. The Vikings, of course, couldn't trade up here. It makes you wonder if the Vikings can't land a quarterback, then that trades an interesting one. It is, in fact, Drake May, the pick is in. I'm tipping here.

Drake May, 6-4-223, goes to the New England Patriots. You got to imagine the Patriots. We're hoping it was Drake May, not Jane Daniels. Yeah, well, Drake May is I heard the scouting report that, like, you know, big guy can throw into England.

I think Drake May can't play anywhere. I mean, he's, and he's young, right? Two years ago, Drake May was awesome, awesome. A coordinator change, that changes things up or that affected him last year. I didn't think he was bad last year. Didn't have the same level of talent around him. Tess Walker didn't join until a few weeks in. There's Luke May, by the way, his brother, number 32 on UNC a few years ago.

hit that big three against Kentucky. I think knocked the on, he knocked the Aaron Fox out of the NCAA tournament, I believe. But, yeah, I mean, I think Drake, he's, what, 21 years old? This is a good bet for the Patriots to make. It's going to be interesting to see. They have Jacoby Brissette. They said Jacoby's going to start this year.

I'm always a believer in, like, playing your quarterbacks, right? but we'll see how they handle it. But I like the player. It sounds like you liked him too relative to. I did. And listen, um, quarterbacks are really hard to predict.

Drake may suck. Drake may be good. But I just wanted to say that. But, oh, I think it's, you know, when you got the third pick,

you got a guy who was supposed to be the number two quarterback in this draft and like number one overall, uh, level of player. Sure. You got to do it. I mean, I'm sure that they were getting offers, but I think this is the right move for them. Jordan love comparison, according to NFL network, size anticipation,

size athleticism, anticipation. I trust Nate Tice on quarterbacks. And Nate Tice has been pounded in the Drake May, maybe the best quarterback in this class, drum for a while. And again, I think, you know, the athleticism is also there with Drake May. You know, I kept hearing Gerard Mayo once an athletic quarterback here. you see on the NFL films, the escape or the NFL network, escape and create. I think the Patriots fans will see just the type of athlete that he is.

Comes from a real athletic family. Tim McManus did a good story on ESPN.com a few years ago when Josh McCown was on the Eagles and would fly down on Fridays to coach high school football. Drake May was his quarterback then. This is how good Drake May is and was, is that he was supposed to, be Alabama's quarterback of the future. And he actually decommitted and then switched to UNC. But, I mean, Nick Saban wanted him badly out of high school. That's just how good he was, is that Nick Saban wanted him?

Well, Nick Saban is discerning with his quarterbacks, right? So, yeah, that stood out to me, right? Okay. I mean, are you anti-Nexamon as well? I'm not anti-Nexam. I'm just like, this is how good he was. He decommitted from Alabama. I mean, I can give you surface level analysis, or I can give you the... That's good. That's a great nugget. But I just don't think it's related to how good he is.

It's just an interesting nugget. So, so you say, from now on, you know what I do? I should not be bad. I'll just speak of very generic terms. No, I love that nugget. That's a great piece of information. I mean, come on. It's a great piece of information.

Yeah, I'm trying to give the viewers something different. I shouldn't have objected. I was only objecting to it as a part of how good he is and not just as part of his story. Sure, sure. Okay. Okay. Now. By the way, a nice look there, the Carolina Blue Tie. I think he had Jordan's on. Yeah, looking sharp. Do you like a Charlotte? That's where he's from. I like a Charlotte. I would say that I don't love a Charlotte, but I like a Charlotte. Yeah.

What do you like better, a Charlotte or a Charlottesville? Oh, totally different. You're talking college town versus Big City. Yes, but very similar beginning to their names. I mean, at this point in my life, Charlotte, right? When I was 22, living in Charlottesville, it was great. Student Union. Guys clean it up. Charlotte's actually a very livable city.

I have some friends who live down there. Shout out to Tom, a big fan of the show. Or I should say good friend of mine, good friend of Julius back in high school. And, yeah, I mean, Charlotte, whenever I'm down there. She's shaking her head. She has no idea who you're talking about. He's watching right now, Joey. Oh, wait, wait, I'm kidding.

I'm kidding. Yeah, pick is in. If the Cardinals are making this pick, which is interesting, we have talked about this as the point, as it were, of the draft, but if they're making this pick, I think we're probably going to agree here. And I'm going to love this one here. We both got, oh, we both wrote MHJ. That's so cute.

We're spending too much time together. Oh, my God. Get a room. Alex says, Zach, did you live in Seaville in 2018? 2009. That's exactly when I lived in Seaville, 2008, 2009. What's Seaville? Charlottesville. Oh, so Seaville, I guess. Yeah. Yeah, and there it is. It is Marvin Harrison, Jr. Love this. Love this. I mean, good for Gannon. Good for Kyler. Shots. Explosives. Marvin Harrison, Jr., so I've been saying Brock Bowers has the best chance of being an all-pro of anyone in this

in this draft. But I say that just because of how loaded the wide receiver position is. Marvin Harrison Jr. is the number one player on my board. Like, regardless of position, Marvin Harrison Jr., to me, is the best player in this draft.

I thought there was a big, you know, I kept hearing Malik neighbors he might be higher than Harrison on some team's boards. Not on my board. Like, to me, there's a clear separation. Marvin Harrison Jr. is the best player in this draft, the best receiver in this draft. Zach, I'd like to make, I'd like to make read the official sports gamer correspondent of this show.

I love that. How does he feel about the idea that Marvin Harrison Jr. has not signed the NFLPA deal to be in the games yet, that he might have a generic name in Madden this year? He doesn't know that, but he knows how to change the names. So actually, Jason Kelsey, if you're watching this, so my son actually changes Jason Kelsey's age. in Madden so Kelsey doesn't retire. Really? Yes.

You can do that? You can change the guy's age? Yes. That's ridiculous. What? Chris says he used to just make Tom Brady older so he would retire sooner. That's so funny. That's ridiculous.

Yeah, so you can go to edit player and he changes that. Oh my gosh. He also has that. You know what? That's a bridge too far. America's getting too woke. That's. I think you would ever say that.

That is so silly, but that's fine. You just make Jason Peters 21 again? I said that he said, dad, you know what I did? I changed Jason Kelsey's age. I love that. Good for you. I didn't want him to retire. Listen, don't hate the player.

You get the game. Yeah, but yeah, I was, I get a field trip today to the Elmwood Park Zoo. Okay. And he gets home. Have you ever been there? I've never been there. Yeah, I have, good zoo. How is it compared to the, like, what do they got there that they don't have at the regular

Philadelphia? more. But it's a good zoo. What do they have? Animals. What kind of animals? I'm curious. Is this worth a day trip for me and the kids?

My son said his favorite animal he saw today was, he said a monkey with a mustache. I didn't really get much of a follow-up question on that because, as I was saying, he had a big game against the saints. The monkey? No. The monkey with the mustache. So read.

So read. I said, tell me it. He said, he said once I'm finished this, I'm in the second quarter against the Saints right now. And I said to him, I said, can you just like tell me one thing? What was your favorite animal? He said the monkey with the mustache. I like that. Some love in the chat for the zoo, says the math teacher.

Good to see some familiar faces in the chat. Happy about that. Got Claire, we got Khalif, we got Kali, we got Kahn, we got R.B. and kill a cow. Claire Epps says he knows the monkey he's talking about. Really? Yeah. Tell us more, Claire. It's not a type of monkey. It's just one monkey that happens to have grown a mustache. It's like the Tom Selleck of the orangut.

I have no idea. It's just what Reed said to me. I didn't get a follow question in. I had to change for the draft. But that was, you know, as I was leaving, he had switched from Madden to 2K because he wanted to predict the outcome for tonight. Love it. All right. Well, with Marvin Harrison, Jr. off the board, Zach, that's That brings us to number five. And that is the Los Angeles Chargers who have your boy, Jim Harbaugh, got to be thinking they're feeling pretty good about if somebody wants to come up and get J.J. McCarthy. Now, what do you make of the idea that Jim Harbaugh would be hesitant to trade out of the pick for J.J. McCarthy because he doesn't want to be the guy who gave away who he thinks is the best quarterback? Is that a theory?

I've heard that. Oh, that's ridiculous. He has Justin Herbert on his team. You can't. It's like the people who say you can't make a trade with the Cowboys. Like, no, you have to worry about what's best for your team. If they're making a trade here, they presumably are getting a huge haul, a huge haul. Now, the way, the way, if he has- I love that prospect, by the way, late-round defensive tackle I got my eye on, Hugh Jall.

Oh, I like that. By the way, check out Bo's all-name team. Thank you for laughing. Check out a Bo's all-name team. Great piece, and that is actually unlocked. Anyone could read. I hope everyone subscribes to be a diehard, but you can read that even if you were not a diehard.

So anyways, so this is the one thing I could see, is that if he feels as strongly about McCarthy as I hear he does, and of course, I mean, McCarthy only lost like one or two games for him on a national championship with him, and Denver's trying to get up. Maybe you're saying, I don't want to put him in the division, right? Yeah. I could potentially see that.

But ultimately, if a team's trading up for a quarterback here, you're presumably getting a huge haul. Okay? You're getting a first next year, a second this year, right, unless it's the Giants and it's just like a six to five move. I don't know. What do you think? What's the...

Well, it seems like the reports now are the chargers are staying here. They are not treading out. So let's write down our names. And this one's, you know, some people think they're definitely going online. That's Jim Harbaugh's MO. Some people say that's going to be Joe. Walt. Some people think it's going to be J.C. Latham.

Could they go Malik Neighbors? Do I trust the reporting or do I trust my gut? I'm willing to go down 1-0 here for the guy who I think is the best player on the board. Are you ready? I'm going neighbors. I'm going J.C. Latham. Okay. So hopefully it's Joe Lath.

This might be really high for J.C. Latham. This is me. Again, maybe I was smokescreened. Maybe I was, you know, maybe they look at like Joe Walt's clearly the better play. but J.C. Latham to me is someone that really fits what Harbaugh is trying to do. Of course, I can't knock you all here. But I think they're going.

Now, they have a huge need at wide receiver, right? Huge need at wide receiver. I just think with the way. I don't think it's going to get drafted. Huge need. Is there a huge need? Okay. No.

Sorry, go ahead. I got to stop interrupting you. By the way, they say in the chat, did Bo get a haircut? Look sharp. I got a haircut over the weekend Oh, okay I got one yesterday

But Are you trying to flex on me? No, I'm saying Mike Kurtz in the chat It's a big fan of your cut They also like your jacket Are you jealous? You got a night

You look great tonight I'm not jealous at all I'm complimenting you, Bo I got a nice text here From our buddy Vince Who has sent over a picture Of the Elmark Elmwood Park

Zoo Monkey with the mustache Ah, okay. Cute little fella. Yeah. There you go. So that's the Tom Selleck of the Emwood Park Zoo. Yeah, more of a less of a Seleck and more of a like Timothy Oliphant in Deadwood. Haven't never seen Deadwood.

You would like Deadwood, I think. Yeah. I think you'd like to. You know what I want to watch Franklin. It's really well written. I want to watch Franklin. Franklin? Yeah.

When is Franklin? The Turtle? No, it's about Benjamin Franklin. It's on the... Yeah. It just is... Oh, the Michael Douglas? Yeah, Michael Douglas thing.

Yeah. Yeah. So can I say who it's going to be? It's going to be Joe Walt. It is going to be Joe Alt. Okay. Yeah, good pick there. Good pick.

Like Joe Alt, I mean, Joe Walt, by the way. It's pretty chalk. Like, I think there are, I think there are reasons to be like just a tiny bit skeptical of a guy that big. Interesting. Elabor. Of the solder body type. Are you going to be able to get into this?

guy, but I think Joe Alt's pretty good. I'm not, you know, I think it's so much. What's the 6-8? 6-8-321. Yeah. Now, Jordan, my lot is that big, too, right? He's wider than all, but I hear you there. Joe, by the way.

I'm not. I think that's a totally, totally fine pick to make. I wonder, I do wonder about not trading down, though. Yeah, me too. Me too. Just because if you trade it down, you could probably get a good tackle. I would imagine, and you could get draft inventory. So you must really love All to do this. I do want to, and Joe Walt, first team all American in last two years, I said this at the Combine when Fran was on the show. Do you remember the Philadelphia connection

with Joe Alt? Took a field trip to the Liberty Bell. Well, maybe he did. I don't know. His brother Mark was a member of the Flyers organization. Mark All, yep. He was a second round pick by the Flyers who had a cup of coffee with the big club. I love the phrase cup of coffee.

Spent a lot of time with the Phantoms. We don't have the Phantom's banner behind us, but Joe Alt was a Phantom. Yeah, how about those fancy new? Yeah, shout out to Bo. Look at that. Well, you see what we've done here is we've got a day one draft pick in Brandon Graham. A day two draft pick in Brian Dawkins and a day three draft pick, although back then who knows what it was,

but it was the seventh round in Harold Carmichael. I didn't even know that's what you were doing, but that's... Beautiful. That's next level thinking. Well done there. Joe All young, 21 years old. You would like that. Father played in the NFL for the Chiefs was a good player for the Chiefs.

So, yeah, Joe All, six, eight and a half. So I would actually make him six nine. Yeah, I always round up. You would go into the video game. You'd ask Reed to just bounce it up to 6-9. No, when I'd... He's 6-8 and 5-8th, so yeah, he's over half. Yeah.

He gets to 6-9. Yeah. All right, before we get going here, we've got what? We've got pick number six on the board. You and I, Zach, had our bold predictions. And we've got handsome Rich waiting in the wings here. Let's go through a bold predictions. And then we'll bring on Rich.

Do we have that graphic, Julia? So we know the things that we are rooting for tonight, aside from both of us maybe getting the pick right for the Eagles. Sure, we'll do mine first. That's fine. I'm calling BS on Bo Nix. Okay. I think there's a chance Bo Nix goes unpicked. Now somebody may do something dumb.

And that could be the Saints, because my number two, bold prediction, is the Saints do something dumb. Okay. I alone will be the arbiter of whether or not. So this is definitely hitting then. They do something dumb. Number three. Now, this could go wrong because it seems like there's a report. Colton knows the comp, by the way.

Before the draft that, like in the hours or minutes before the draft, that the Jags are trying to trade up for one of the big wide receivers. But everybody has been pegging them to definitely go wide receiver to backfield, Calvin Ridley. I think there's a chance that they don't do that. Not that they shouldn't, but Trent Balke does weird stuff sometimes. I'm going over on the offensive linemen. I think we may see a ton of offensive linemen even in the back end of this draft.

So I'm going 10 offensive linemen. Most mocks have about eight. And then my last one is a very specific Marchion Neeland to the San Francisco 49ers at the back end of the first round. Okay. I don't buy the Marshawn Neeland thing, but I... Well, yeah, of course.

It's a total shot in the dark. I wanted to do one back-end match. Okay, and I like this objective one that you know you're going to hit. Okay. All right, what we got from you? Yeah, not looking very good here. Okay.

So, number, great job. already blurring out the one that I got wrong, which was number three, which was the Vikings draft Drake May. Man, I was really leaning into that Josh McAllen connection that I probably should have thought more about the Nick Saban connection, right? You can't pass up someone who Nick Saban offered. I have six QBs going in the top 20. Okay, so we're going head to head on Bo Nix.

Yeah, that's not looking good right now either because the Chargers did not trade. All cornerbacks fall to the back half of the. first round. So I thought there's going to be a run on tackles. I'll slide over here to give you a little more space. It's awesome to see you, Rich. I have at least one team trades back and then trades up. Now, this is not going to happen, or it still might happen, but I thought the Patriots were going to trade back with the Vikings and then trade up to get J.J. McCarthy. And then at least one, And then 6-0-Lyman go before the number 22 pick, and this was an Eagle-specific one.

All right. Well, guess who we have here in the sandwich. We've got Rich Hoffman. Rich, how you doing? Happy Draft Night. I'm doing great. You know, I was listening to the show earlier, and I got to say,

I was watching 8 Mile a couple weeks ago. Okay. And as I'm so glad that this is what you're coming on with. And as I was watching those final rap battles, which are terrific, Like, I did think of Connor Barwin, actually. I mean, did he go to, well, did he go to a private school? Yeah, yeah, yes.

You went to Cranwood? Is that what it is? Something like that, yes. He went to Cranwood. That's a private school. I think, was that where Connor bought, that's not where he went to. No, I think it might be made up school. No, that's probably made up school.

Well, Connor went to University of Detroit Jesuit. Okay. Let me actually, well, because now that we have rich on the set, it actually means that I don't have to fill as much airtime. so I can actually Google stuff here. So Connor Barwin, 8 Mile. Let's see. First story that comes up, okay? Detroit-Bred Barwin immersing himself in Philly by Zach Berman.

Okay? Ah, here we go. In the third graph, he played sports on both sides of 8-mile road while growing up around Detroit. Oh, wow. Okay. I mean, this is the same thing as me saying the Saints are going to do something dumb? because it's self-manifested.

You're only self-referencing. This is, there's a connection between Connor Barwin and A-Mile because you made that connection. Connor Barwin lives in the shadows of Philadelphia Skyline with a silhouette of Detroit skyline etched on his right biceps. His Twitter profile lists two locations, Detroit, comma, Philadelphia. The Detroit area is his hometown. Philadelphia is now his home. Barwin is not one who just passes through wherever he's living. The son of a city manager, Barwin yearns to be engaged with a sense of civic pride that is sometimes rare.

in such a transient industry. He played sports on both sides of eight mile while growing up around Detroit, and he lives in Brittenhouse Square and frequently uses SEPTA to get around the city. Okay. I do have to cut you off because we have a pick within the NFC East

that has already been made. I don't think we have to write this one down because I already know the answer. The New York Giants are adding, who I believe may be the best wide receiver in the draft. That is Malik Neighbors. And this is the one pick

that if I was an Eagles fan, I was sort of rooting against, I would have been, I would have been rooting against because I think that Malik Neighbors is a total game wrecker. Well, and you talked about you were not as high on Joe Alt, right? Yes. Not all the way. I mean, who could possibly be that high? No, it

is rarefine air up there. Yeah. Yes, as well. And, you know, with the brother play for the Flyers, too. Yeah, good job. Mark Al, yeah. I've been listening. Now that makes one of you. Yeah, exactly. So Malik neighbors.

What do you like the most of the difference between listening and remembering? Ah, yes, okay. Fair enough. What do you like the most about him? Just his speed? Yeah, I just, he is like the most fun to watch. And the profile is fantastic. He's also a full year younger than Marvin Harrison. Was just as productive, if not more so. It's certainly the last year.

And the way that I described it the other day was like Marvin Harrison is the perfect wide receiver. And it's like he has done everything in his life. to maximize being the very best, most precise wide receiver who has ever lived. And that is awesome. And he deserves to be a top three, top five pick. And I have no argument with thinking that he's the best player, non-quarterback in the draft. When I watch Malik neighbors, he is playing to steal your soul. He's like he will run past you.

He will run through you. And there's just a different violence with which he plays. and the explosiveness, I think he is more explosive than Marvin Harrison. And so that's why I just, it's more like the type of player necessarily than that he's definitely going to be better. So I hope he's good because I need Jaden Daniels to not be that good. I need like, actually was in Baton Rouge this past weekend. Really? This past weekend?

Yeah, was that a wedding? By the way, that is not an easy place to get to. What New Orleans and Drive or did you connect and? You can do that, but no, you fly from Baton Rouge, very small airport. but very easy to get through. But any delays are pretty rough, and then you go to Charlotte and then back to Philly. But I had a bad travel day on Saturday,

so I was not happy at Ben-Rue. I was there for about two days. I got in. Kind of time to work on your Bayou accent? No, no, I didn't really, I wasn't able to hone that as well. Have gumbo? I did.

Good for you. Yep. Big gumbo fan. Were you sitting with the groom or a bride's family? I was sitting with the, I wasn't sitting with the family. sitting on the other side and we were outnumbered by how's the weather swampy very hot oh yeah

miserable you know i like this get the get to see the mighty mississippi in the uh in the background the mighty mississippi yeah so okay uh i got to be honest there wasn't a lot of NFL draft talk going considering you know there were you're gonna get six guys in the top uh top six they were they were very excited about uh ls u gymnastics the women's gymnastics team won the national title they don't care about women's basketball i think No Angel Reese talk? There wasn't a lot. Maybe that was a couple weeks ago.

I don't know. I was trying to talk Kim Mulkey with everybody, honestly. Yeah. Yeah. Nobody was really taking a bag on. I'm trying to do that today. Isn't Paul Skeen's girlfriend, a gymnast at LSU? Yeah, the famous one.

Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Levin' Dunn. Yep. Paul Skeens, by the way, big game last night. Man, Pirates just got to promote him at this point. Where is it?

AAA right now? Yeah, AAA Indianapolis. What are they doing? Right? The poor, like, NFL-only diehards who are, who have tuned into this show, although honestly, maybe the wrong show. So speaking of LSU, 10 years ago, 10 years ago this draft, the New York Giants took a wide receiver from LSU, and that worked out exceedingly well for them. You know what's funny is there was a report. I think it was, I think it was Todd McShay, and his thing, like, just before the draft, was that the Giants may not take Malik neighbors because they're trying to avoid an Odell Beckham-Sash-Kadarius-Toney situation.

avoid an Odell Beckham situation. The guy was unbelievable. What are you talking about? To me, come on. That's nuts. I mean, I would say, too, you know, Bleak neighbors is someone who actually the first jersey he ever owned was an Odell Beckham Giants jersey.

So gets to go back or not go back, but gets to follow the footsteps of probably the best Giants receiver of the last decade plus. Yeah, for sure. Sure. I mean, probably more than that, don't you think? I mean, I think he's Sterling Shepard. I think he's going to be a man.

Yeah, that's true. I mean, Victor Cruz was really productive there. Darry Slaten. Akeem Nix was really productive there, but Odell was more productive. They want Super Bowls with Knicks and Cruz, though, so. Don't make that argument. I mean, come on. Okay.

Okay. So, like, Tori Smith's a better receiver than A.J. Brown? Of course not. Of course not. You know what I mean. Okay. All right. Well, the Tennessee Titans are on the clock at number seven.

So no J.J. McCarthy yet? No. We'll see. Does this tell you that maybe the Vikings are not enamored of J.J. McCarthy? If they weren't willing to move up to five or six. Yeah, yeah. So I thought Drake May was the Vikings guy more so than J.J. McCarthy. Now, McCarthy might be like a fallback, but I didn't think the draft inventory was to get McCarthy.

I thought it was to get May. And there was, like back when that trade happened, there was serious talk around the league that the Patriots were looking to move out. right or that the Patriots were willing to move out. So it made sense like, all right, the Vikings now have inventory. The Patriots are kind of at a ground zero type situation. That's not a very good roster. So I thought that it just made a lot of sense. It clearly was not the case.

So I have the pick here, if you'd like to hear it, for the Tennessee Titans at number seven. They are going. Zach's boy, they're sticking on the offensive line, taking a big old ugly. J.C. Latham from Alabama going off the board here. So that's another offensive lineman who the Eagles will not be trading up. What are your Eagles expectations for tonight?

What are you hoping for? What are you hoping for a cornerback? Think they're going to go offensive line. Why hoping for a cornerback? Well, I just want to watch a guy that can cover somebody. You know, I don't know. I want the exciting pick. I understand that the Eagles win, bow, because they think ahead.

They work on the offensive line. They drafts a big, strong, what is it? Powerful, physical? Which one is it? Big, strong, powerful men. Powerful man. For some reason, I thought it was physical. Credit to Shield, this is a John Schneiderism.

Sure. But I expect them to draft up, or to trade up for it. But I guess, like, where do you think they're going to trade up, right? I know I've seen, like, Denver be a popular one, number 12. Seattle has been a very popular one for a couple spots. I guess just, like, how far do they have to go and kind of, like, which one is it? I got to say, I would not be quite as excited with, unfortunately, the guy that you like a little more Troy Fautano.

Now, I've got to say, I like watching Fautano. He is not my guy because the age does bother me. And if he's only a guard, I don't like that use of resources in the first round. That's just my eyes. There's the tension between the profile and what I see when I'm watching him. So he would not, like, I would not want to trade up to 14, 15, 16 for Troy Fautano. And that's part of like seeing how this draft plays out. I think that they, I think, I think that it is a better move to draft an offensive lineman in the first round than a cornerback.

A tackle, not a guard. But if you could sit at 22, I mean, I would rather have Tyler Guyton at 22 or let's say Amarius Mims falls to 22 than, and still have my second round pick than having, you know, Fuaga or Fautano and no second round pick. And even if you get the third back, I would still rather have that. Yeah, I'm going to run this out the next time the frames off me. My iPad is buzzing whenever a text comes in. I can't do that. I agree with you there. I actually think of any year where you would want to stick in place,

this would be the year just because... Stick and pick. Stick and pick because I think that, yeah, that second round pick has a lot of value also in like a tradeback situation. Eagles don't have a third round pick, right? So you can trade back from 53 to the end of the second round. second round, try to pick up a third round pick, right? It gives you optionality there. And if...

I can't get over on graphics work tonight. Fantastic. I know. I keep saying, great job by this, by our whole... Brennan is crushing it. On the ones and twos back there. So I will say something here as well. I said on our show a few weeks ago, J.C. Latham's the guy I would trade up for, okay? And I was pretty outspoken about that. And I heard from someone who said, like, they have no chance. of trading up for J.C. Latham. And I was like, he's going to be in the teens.

And it's like, no. This guy's going on. And that's when I heard all the Chargers stuff. And so I, clearly that he was viewed as the second best offensive lineman in this draft by enough teams that that's probably not a consideration. I know a lot of the draft rankings had like Fawaga or Fetano or someone like that as the number two guy. Whoa. What? Whoa!

I'm sorry to cut you off, but we have a monster shock at number eight here. I can't wait to see it. I don't even know who it is. Atlanta Falcons. This can't be for themselves, right? They just signed Kirk Cousins. In the NFL, you don't do that. It's not the NBA.

Yeah, I know, but they just signed Kirk Cousins, and now they are drafting Michael Pennix Jr. What? At eight. Wow. Wow! Wow. Oh my God.

Wow. What an interesting quarterback room that's going to be. Yeah. And Pennix is like an old... Kurt better start seasoning those burgers. This is an interesting one. Look, if you have conviction on a quarterback, you do it. Unbelievable.

So Bo and I made a list of our guys of like the My Guys thing, and you try to steer clear of like the top guy. But I put Michael Pennix at... for my quarterback because I just think he's awesome. Like the ability, the arm talent to use that cliche is, is there. I just don't get like the Kirk Cousins contract if this was, if this was going to be in the cards. Like you knew back.

This is wild. You knew back in March. You knew back in March that that Michael Pennix was most likely going to be there at eight, right? Well, not necessarily. Not necessarily, but. I think it's more about taking the pick when you have cousins. But because, you know, if.

If somebody else falls in love with panic, you're not going to, you don't not sign Kirk Cousins for that reason. Yeah. Is the, is the Cousins deal? Like, when can they get out of? It's fully guaranteed. I know. For how long? Three years?

Three years? For three years? Yeah. Fully guaranteed, three years. What is going on? You know what it sounds like, though? It sounds like there's a quarterback factory down in Atlanta. Oh.

Look at that. Dynamite dropping. That's great. I'm going to move this to the other room real quick. This is wild. I'm actually going to. That's unbelievable. I.

Do you think Kirk's not. Yeah, there's, yeah, Chris says maybe they don't think Kirk Cousins is going to be healthy. I mean, maybe he died. Died watching the office just as. This is wild. This is like maybe this is their rejoinder for like we didn't need to tamper because we were like, why would you find us for tampering when we were going to draft a quarterback anyway? And everybody knows you take a quarterback in the top 10 for, you know,

three or four games at the beginning of a season just so you're, your 36-year-old can get back and get healthy. This is insane. Wow. I mean, this is, it's a good, nobody, nobody saw this come. That's fantastic. Well, Bo, am I wrong in saying that, like, this is good for the Eagles, right? Because we didn't even know if Michael Panix was going to go before them.

Yes, that's right. Every player who was not expected or assured of going and every quarterback or position that they're not going to draft who goes this early is good for the Eagles. So, yeah, I mean, one extra guy gets pushed down because Pennix goes at eight. wild. I would love to see that. I bet Kirk Cousins wasn't even watching the draft tonight. No, because Mike McCartney and his agent tweeted out,

about to be shocked. So they clearly contacted Cousins before they did this. They pulled the old Carson Wentz. Yes. Carson, this has nothing to do with you at all, my buddy. We just, we need a cost-controlled backup. That's why we're taking Michael Pennix at 8. Wild.

It's like not that cost-controlled either. No. The eighth pick. This is insane. And the thing about Pennix, too, is like, I like Penix. He's all. I mean, he is so fun to watch. But if this was like J.J. McCarthy, for instance, then you say, all right, JJ's a really young quarterback, right? He was a three-year guy.

I mean, Pennix is the other end. Penix is he's going to be 24 soon, right? He was in college for six years, I believe. So, yeah, that's a, I'm fascinated to hear. Oh, man, this is like, you know, his first day, Kirk's like, hey, listen. Mike, I'm really excited to have you. I'm really excited to help you grow. We're going to work together really well. And Michael's like, fuck off, dude.

Like, get away from me. Wow. Working blue. Yeah, I didn't mean that. I actually didn't want to work blue there. And I just came out. So I just want to recap here. Look, I'm not, I'm not doing Bill Simmons like the, like a GM bet, the anti-GM

Hall fame, whatever he called it, like the bad. It was the atrocious GM summit. Yeah, atrocious GM summit. But I would say, with Terry Fontonet. His four draft picks here have been Kyle Pitts, Drake London, Bijon Robinson,

and Michael Pennix, Jr. And look... So you're saying Kyle Pitts was a bad pick? Well, I'm saying within the context of those four years, right? No one on the line of scrimmage in those four years, right? A quarterback when you just signed a quarterback to a three-year guaranteed deal. running back in the top 10,

who your coach wanted to use him in a time share. I'm not quite sure what the Falcons have had real valuable draft inventory. I also wonder, too, did they think was there not a tradeback situation here? I always say, if you have conviction, take the quarterback. Like, don't get too cute. You know, the Eagles should have taken Russell Wilson at the Vinny Curry pick. They were convinced that he was going to be there in the third round. he was not.

That's part of what that happened with the J.1 Hurt's thing. Although you could argue they could have taken him in the first round if they had that type of conviction, right?

So don't get too cute but I gotta imagine you could have traded back. Yeah, this is nuts. I can't believe this pick. Man, Kirk Cousins must be just like darnin

the whole place around. Like, he can't believe it. Also, Gee, Willikers. The Falcons, You know, they might lose some draft inventory next year, too, from signing Kirk Cousins, right? That's what we said when you stepped out, that this is taking penics is their way of saying, there's no reason to tamper.

We were in the quarterback anyway. Oh, okay. Sorry about that. That's okay. Yeah. What's going on in the Sixers game, Rich? Half time. Nix are winning.

It was, yeah, pretty rough, pretty rough watch. Really? Yeah, just M.B. doing a lot of stupid stuff. Really? I was happy to get back in here. How much really down? 58, 55, a half time. Okay.

So. So, yeah, good comeback. Wow. I mean, yeah, I mean, the comedic potential here of the cousins' penics duo is really good. Oh, I think Atlanta's the most fun team in the league. Put them on Hard Knocks next year. That's so good. Adam Scheffer says Rahim Morris loved him.

That's the big selling point on. I read the Players Tribune piece yesterday. Had a great line in there. Good writer. Whoever, I mean, perhaps Michael wrote it. I don't know if there was a ghost writer or what. They do have ghostwriters. I once interviewed for a position there.

Yeah, so there was a line in it. You can submit me to any type of X-ray or an MRI that you want. But if you, you know, the only test that will show the type of player I am is an EKG, which was a great line, right? He's got that dog in him. I mean, he's, look, he's a tough dude to rebound from the Indiana experience, a lot of injuries. The last two years, he was awesome.

Now, he's done it. His best years have come in the calendar board system. But, yeah, this is an interesting one. Wow. And for him to go ahead of J.J. McCarthy, too. Yeah. Fascinating. So the Bears now, back on the clock, with Roma Dunzee still on the board.

There was like, that seemed like their fanciful dream that they might be able to get the wide receiver too. Also, potential a trade down. Maybe you add Byron Murphy to get a little penetration inside because that's the place. to get Tom Brady, but I don't know. What do you think they're going to do? I think they go at Dunsee, right? Yeah, I actually think a tradeback could be in the cards here. But if they stay here, I think Roma Dunseye, that would certainly make sense.

But the Bears, even though they have these two picks, you know, they have one and nine. They don't really have much draft inventory after this. I think they only have four or five picks total, right? So it would make sense if there's a team that wants McCarthy here. the bears have been opportunistic in tradebacks before. They could do so here. So I don't know who's coming off the board at 9, but it has broken that the Vikings are moving up to 10,

trading, taking the Jets spot moving up from 13. You would have to imagine that that's for a quarterback. Okay, yeah, so then you would think a Dundze is going here, and then McCarthy at 10 of the Jets. Man, this is good stuff. Bo Nix would be funny at 10. That would be very funny. I would be pissed.

I would go to my computer. Yes. Now, Chris over here is a Jets fan. What are you hoping for, Chris? Meat and potatoes. Love that. Love that. It's all of the earth.

I know they signed a morning one of those guys, but once's the last time both beat in one of those guys, especially in time Smith, like they get hurt. The Jets from the same situation is where last year. Sure.

Yeah, I agree with that. So the trade is. is the Vikings get picks 10. The Jets get picks 11, 129, and 157. So it's the old move-up one-spot trade. Okay, not much. Now, it is Roma Dunzee at 9 to the Chicago Bears, like that for them.

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the first trade of the night, baby. Let me ask you this, Zach. Now that the quarterback, we've gotten five quarterbacks, presuming that this is McCarthy, no defensive player off the board yet? That's interesting. How far would Dallas Turner have to go down

for the Eagles to be interested in moving all the way up? So this is me speaking here. I would try to get up to 12. Right? I mean, I like Dallas Turner quite a bit. I don't know what the Eagles think of Dallas Turner. He's not someone that, as far as we know, that they brought in. But typewise? But typewise. Profile-wise?

Exactly. Boy, you think that they would love him. Absolutely. And they would get like, you know, I wrote in my 27 thoughts on all-P-H-L-Y.com that Howie Roseman trades up for tiers. It's not like Vante Mac, no matter what. but then I wrote in there, but I would write Dallas Turner no matter what, because Dallas Turner to me is like the perfect guy to go after. I just don't know what, you know, like would the Broncos move off that at that point anyways at 12?

Well, Broncos don't have a lot of pick equity. True. So if they are not going to get their quarterback, you would imagine they'd be willing to move down. And if they want Bo Nix, nobody else has taken them at before 22. We talked about it in the shows leading up. I don't think that anybody in this class necessarily for the Eagles what they need is worth giving up that second round pick except for Dallas Turner and Dallas Turner is the guy

who I think would make sense. I don't love trading away Hassan Redick and then just redrafting an edge guy. Just for the sake of it. But Dallas Turner is different. Exactly. You know, 21 years old, extreme production at Alabama in three years, 11 sacks last year, had eight and a half sacks as a true freshman.

you just watch the way he moves around the edge. It's, I mean, that is a pro for sure. If they're going to make a big move up, this is the guy who I think it would make sense to do it for. You don't have to convince me. I mean, I'm a Dallas Turner no matter what guy. And in terms of excitement, I will take the defensive end that can play. I know Zach has been on, hey, look, you know, Lane Johnson can get hurt,

but the guy that I know is getting snaps and can wreck a game now for you, you know. Zach, you mentioned draft day. I wonder the movie draft day with Kevin Costner. Yeah, I've seen that one actually. That's one of the movies I have seen. What do you think of the, it feels like the... I haven't seen it, by the way. It feels like...

You haven't seen it? It's very funny. What do you think of the... It feels like the draft compensation's a little all over the place. It feels like some way of it, yeah. Like nobody read the old NFL trailer. Yeah, you're trading three first to get up there, but then you're giving three seconds.

get the pick back, yeah, I mean. But of the like unrealistic things in that movie, that's the, that's like 48th on the list. But it's an entertaining watch. I agree. No, it's just very funny. Like, Sunny Weaver is just moving all over the board. He's just wheeling and dealing and finding picks. And there are a couple trades in there where I'm like, man, I'm not sure the other team would actually do that.

Also, when they traded for the first pick and then all of a sudden they started doing the work on the quarterback then. You know, it's like, come on. They watch like one play. It's like what the Eagles actually did in 2016. No, in 2016. They trade up to two and they didn't know which quarterback they wanted. They just wanted a quarterback.

They did it when they were on the clock. Like the Eagles did. Yeah. So they were on the clock. They trade up and they're like, all right, guys, I know we didn't do prep on it. This is my fault. Let's, let's. Really?

Yeah. They watch like one play on the big board. Really? And they see some subtle body language reading that basically changes the fortunes of the of the Cleveland Browns. Didn't seem like they brought them in for an interview or anything like that. Just, you know, just a little...

No, but they had the thing with the money and the playbook. Oh, that's true. That's true. Yeah, so that's the old Bill Belichick trick. I was actually covering the Super Bowl when they were promoting Draft Day. And they had

the producer up there for a press conference, and he was talking about how Bill Belichick gave them that that little nugget of it was like a $20 bill or something in the, like the playbook, and then he had to get to that. Yeah. And he, like, you know, he never, he didn't know the money was there, right?

So, because he actually didn't read it, something of that nature. Okay. Yeah. Nice. What's your favorite football movie, Rich? Well, it's kind of like Johnny Mansell, too, right? Get in the playbook. Exactly.

And now it's a little easier to do it virtually. What is my favorite football movie? Off the top of my head, I don't know. I like the Friday Night Lights, the actual movie. Okay. What else you got? Any Given Sunday, the program. I like any given Sunday.

I think it would probably be my favorite. I mean, nothing compares to the playmakers. That was the best. Unnecessary roughness. Necessary roughness. Yeah, necessary roughness. Little giants? Yeah, little giants.

The replacements? You said? I didn't say the replacements. Oh, okay. But the replacement, Shane, Falco. Yeah. Yeah. Sugar Shane.

Yes. Falco. Yeah. I think the replacements is fun. I would go on a given Sunday, man. That Al Pacino speech, that thing pumped me up in a... I was more of a Willie Beeman guy. No, but I'm saying that speech.

Willie Beeman's rap video in that one? Yeah, Willie. My name Beeman. What does he keep the ladies doing, Zach? They go screaming, right? I believe that's the lyric from the song. There you go. There you go.

Yeah, you know, pop culture. Yeah, I know any given Sunday for sure. All right. So I don't believe that the Vikings pick has officially been made yet, but we presume that that will be J.J. McCarthy. Yeah, that is going to be J.J. McCarthy. And then the Jets. Chris hoping for some big uglies meat and potatoes up front,

but could they be the Brock Bowers team? So I'm going to write down my Jets prediction. Oh, it's running it down. I'll write mine down, too. What? What do you got? Telese Fouwaga. I have RFK Jr.

Okay. Did not see that one coming. I don't think he's draft eligible. Because he's not vaccinated? Is that like the... Is there a screening process for that? I'm saying it's far away from this one. I'm not talking politics on the show.

Other than to say, yeah, Joe Douglas, there's been talk ever since the end of the season that Fuego has been someone that Joe D's had his eye on here. Okay. You could see that making sense. The offensive linemen's act that are still on the board here. I mean, most of them still on the board. Fuaga, as you mentioned, Troy Fautano, Amerius Mims.

Who am I missing? Guyton and then, but there's somebody else. Well, there's Graham Barton in there. There's Kingsley-Sua-Mataia in there. You mean of like the top? No, yeah, there's another guy. By the way, it's Suamata-Ia. I was doing some Kramin before.

Okay. So you said there's, oh, and then Fichano? Fichano. Yes, that's who that's one. And I'll keep forgetting Olufoshano, and I feel like that might be happening to the league. Interesting. I mean, I think there's a post-hype fatigue. Yeah, I agree with that.

Unless it's the hands. Unless it's the hands. Sure, yeah. I mean, he's got these teeny, tiny, 80-bitty hands. Well, then you'll like Michael Pennix because he has a, he's, he's the biggest hands among the quarterbacks, I believe. Oh, all right. Now I'm interested. Okay.

Poor Kirk. Oh, man. I forgot the Bears paid DeAndre Swift five seconds into free agency. Yeah. It was funny. I did a hit on the Bears show, and they're asking me about DeAndre Swift, getting all that money, Kevin Bayard, and whoever else. And they were like, do you have anything nice to say about the players? I'm like, I'm sorry.

You're working on DeAndre Swift. You're really down on St. Joe's Preps guys. No, I said I like DeAndre Swift a lot, but I thought it was weird that they were so aggressive about paying him the same amount of money that, like, other guys got paid who, I would probably rather have. But your neighbors over Harrison Jr.? Yeah. Sure. No, I'm saying he is.

I'm not against them. Come on. Shout out to the prep. You got a prep guy on set here. He spoke to the prep today. I did. Oh, did you? Yeah, I was.

I was sweating. How was that? You're sweating? How lucky were they? That's awesome. Who's got it better than them? Nobody. That's a Jack Arball says.

Yes. Yes. No, it was a, it was an interesting 20-minute talk. I advised them about journalism and life. I'm sure you've done some of these before. Have you ever seen? Zach famously told a bunch of high schoolers how sexy he was.

I suppose messing with that one. I did say. That's what he did. It was a good line. So the story, look, I tweeted out before this that these next three days, these 15 hours, it's like great theater, an odd social. experiment to see when I could break, okay? Yeah, I spoke at my high school, Bradley Cooper went to my high school, and it was around the time

Bradley Cooper was there, and I said, in the span of X amount of time, you've, you know, heard or seen from the, at that time, he had just been voted People Magazine's sexiest man in the world, and I said, I don't think it's a, it's a Democratic election, just for the record. What? You said voted. You heard from the sexiest man in the world And Bradley Cooper And

That's a good line It's such a funny one to do On a bunch of high schoolers I got a lot more I didn't really get latched that day They were probably like Why he's just got telling us Maybe it wasn't a big people

Thank you everybody What a treat for you to hear In the span of just a couple weeks From the sexiest man in the world and also Bradley Cooper. What was the talk about after that? The birds and the bees. I thought it was an icebreaker.

It's really funny, Zach. I had, so back when I was at the Inquirer, we actually had a speaker circuit, right? And so, you know, the Inquirer, the Eagles beat writer would get called upon to speak at places. And so I had my stump speech, if you will, and I always started with, you know,

I'm walking through the quad at Syracuse University. I was doing a piece in the day in the life of Terrence Roberts. And Terrence Roberts is, he was 6'9-9 from Jersey City, New Jersey, and he had 12 tattoos. And I am not 6-foot-9, and I am from suburban Philadelphia, and I'm scared of needles, right? And I said, so there was a stark difference

between he and I walking through the quad. And I said, I had walked through the quad at that point hundreds of times. This was my sophomore year. and never once were people turning their heads, turning their heads. And this time I could feel people were turning their heads, right? And so I turn and look up to Terrence, and I ask them, like, what I thought was the greatest question in journalism history. You know, what does it feel like to have everyone looking at you?

And he kind of laughed, and he said, when I'm paraphrasing here, because he said, they're looking at the little guy who's walking with me. Like, they went out of that. You know. There were some other words put in there. I'm not going to get into that. But it was a great line. Anyways, so I would tell them that in this business, I always remember that I'm just the little guy walking with them. I'm not the story.

It's always about the person that you're covering, right? And so you keep that in mind. So I kind of started with that for all these speeches. It's back in my high school. I thought, all right, it'd be topical here. I probably should start with the Tarz Roberts thing because the Bradley Cooper one bombed. But anyways.

Well, we have good news for Chris. Our Jets fan who wanted a man on the line of scrimmage, Zach, Joe Douglas, has not forgotten about Olu Foshanu. Jets are taken Olu Fashano, Natalisi Fuwaga, or Brock Bowers, Olu Fashanu. The left tackle only at Penn State, but has the physical athleticism to be able to swing around. and obviously they've got Tyrant Smith there, but you don't know how long he's going to last.

For the reasons that Chris said, you can't have the season crumbling on the offensive line again. Hopefully this, for them and for Chris, goes the way not of the last first round offensive lineman. I guess not the last first, because Vera Tucker was after Mackay Beckton, but hopefully he's not Mackay Beckton. Yeah, I give the Jets a lot of credit for this pick, right? Going into the year, Olu Fashano was viewed as a legit top 10 pick. Yes. I don't think he did anything this year for that not to be the case. I mean, Joe All had a great year, right?

You get that. J.C. Leatham, you can understand. He's a different type of player. But to land Fashano at, what is this, pick 12 or pick 11, you know, they traded back. They get some draft inventory there. this gives them a succession plan for these veteran tackles. We talked about Tyron Smith and we talked about Morgan Moses. I really like this pick for the Jets.

Joe Douglas doing smart things here. And your quarterback was out for the year on what, the second drive last year. So this gives you protection. Not a bad thing for the Eagles, too. I mean, obviously, Foshanu could be a very good player. Like just for the Jets, I'm not saying it's a bad move outside of, you know, the hands. You know, we've got to be careful about that. But just in terms of, like, somebody, the Eagles might want to plug in on the right side.

I don't think I would have had him at the top of my list. Yeah, I think that's probably right. Fashano probably asking his agent, like, what I need to do to get ready to go to the Jets? Like, what are you to do to be prepared? And his agent's like, listen, I know this is going to sound weird. But. E-E-E-W-E-E-E-E-E-E-W-E-E. That's a dolphin-hating sex.

The call back there, Zach, to shows from the fall. You don't remember that? I do, yes. Try to eliminate that from my mind. It's like I remember thinking at that time, like, wow. This is an interesting career decision. So, Zach, in our bold predictions, you have nailed one, and I have missed one because the Denver Broncos are doing the dumb. They are drafting Bo Nix at 12.

Sean Payton has his quarterback. And with Bo Nix, he'll be able to take that team to, I don't know, 5 and 12. So Bo Nix, I mean, great name. Yeah, Bo. No doubt. Spelled oddly, but. But sorry. I thought that was going to be sorry for it.

You didn't sell that one. Yeah, this is, this has been a... What do you want to do? Throw a beer at you? It's been a poorly kept secret. Sean Peyton loves Bo Nix. The similar line of thinking when I said this about Michael Penix is that if you have conviction on a quarterback, don't wait, take him, right?

You can get cute. You can trade down and think he's still going to be there. But if you believe in the quarterback, take him. Wow, 12 picks, not a single one. on defense. Yeah, so I thought there's going to be a run on on quarterbacks, six QBs go here in the top 12. I had this in the mock draft on all-PHly.com today, like next to the Broncos at 12.

Flex. Older player, right? It's going to be 24, where he is 24. He had a really good year this past year. He is already 24. Yeah. Actually, when I was watching their games, and then, in the, the pre-draft, and I was watching some of their stuff back, specifically for Troy Franklin and

Bucky Irving. What jumped out to me is Will Stein, their offensive coordinator, a real creative guy. I was impressed with Will Stein. Just putting that out there. But, okay. Yeah. But Bo Nix was, accurate. He made a lot, you know, he got his receivers open, got rid of the ball quickly. I think get a streak. I don't have the number in front of me here. Actually, my charger's not, this outlet's not working. So I'm trying to conserve the space. Is that, has that happened before?

Oh, okay. I'm sorry, Julia, you don't have to do that. You don't have to do that. That's fine. So in any event, I'm sorry, you don't have to do that. But Bo Nicks, so I was trying to conserve the, but anyways, he had a streak of, like, not throwing interceptions. That was a great mark around college football. So, yeah, really. There's a TV magic going on right now.

Fantastic. I think that... So this is my one thing I will add here. I'm curious why you guys think. I said, if you have conviction on a quarterback, don't wait, take them. That said, I don't believe in forcing a... Thank you. It works now.

Yep, thank you, Julia. I don't believe in forcing a quarterback just because you have a need at that position. I think that's when you make a mistake, when you're like, all right, this is the year we're going to take a quarterback, and we're going to talk ourselves into him, the same way we're going to talk ourselves in the JP Lossman, the same thing we're going to talk ourselves in the Kyle Bolwer, right? Can he pick it? Sure, yeah.

You know, Blake Bortles, right? Well, Bortals was an early pick. Yeah, earlier than expected, right? But I think they were helping on getting a quarterback that year. It's like you've ordered the quarterback box, but you don't necessarily care what's in the box, right? Exactly. And to be fair, if you do care what's in the box, Zach? I would go to Butcher Box.

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Mm-hmm. No thanks. Yeah. Yeah, this is, I mean, I don't hate the player, but when I was watching Bo Nix this year, I didn't think the number 12 pick overall track, the number 12 overall pick. Yeah. So I think this is a coach probably inflating his sense of quarterback evaluation and quarterback coaching, right?

Yes. That's my read on it. Yeah, and he probably thinks I alone can get the best out of this guy. because he's so accurate within the first 12 yards of line of scrimmage. He's not Russell Wilson for that. Yeah. So, all right. Well, I mean, this is fascinating because now we are in range of where the Eagles could move up if they really, really, really wanted to.

And, like, I do believe that Dallas Turner is the one who's probably sticking out like a sore thumb for them. If they were to trade up now and took a tackle instead or even a corner, I would think that that was probably not worth it. but this has got to be interesting times in the green room, or the draft room, rather, at the Novacare complex. Yeah, I want to ask you because they go through all types of scenarios. Do you think they went through the Dallas Turner following scenario? I'm sure they did. Okay.

They try to be prepared for all scenarios. I'm sure that they did because it was always going to be offense heavy. And, you know, if somebody took one of the other edge rushers over Turner or took Byron Murphy over Turner. Okay, fair enough. That would be, that would push in. him into range. So I think that that is definitely something that they

considered. Now, Zach, we have, I believe, another pick off the board at 13 for the Las Vegas Raiders. They're taking you boy. They're taking Falano? No. Oh. Brock Bowers? Yes. Okay.

Yeah. Brock Bowers here. Look, I'm well documented here. Now, I've got to say, my Brock Bowers stock probably took a hit with this pick because he has Aiden O'Connell throwing him to football. Gardner Minchew. Oh, Garner Minchew. Okay, fair enough.

Yeah, Garner Minchew. Devante Adams, Brock Bowers. 13 for 13 on offense. Yeah, look, Brock Bowers, to me, as I said, I would not overthink this. He was the best tight end in college football history, perhaps. He was a two-time Mackey

award winner. He was the best receiver on the national champions. I understand twice. Twice. I understand the positional value part of it, but if you say like, all right, Antonio Pierce, Tom Telesco, how do we come out of the draft with the best player we can get? Right? You can make an argument that Brock Bowers

is the best player they can get. I think he has the best path to being an all pro at his position in this draft. I can't knock it. I can't knock it. Now, I think it's wild to take him over Dallas Turner. Oh, I can knock that. For sure. For sure. And that's probably looking at your depth chart, right? Now, who's their other edge? I mean, they have Crosby. And they just paid Christian Wilkins.

But, yeah, I mean, to me, I would say one thing you and I are most in agreement on in this draft process is how good Dallas Turner is. Yeah, and I feel like we are a little bit away from consensus on that. Like, there are people who don't love Dallas Turner. I love Dallas Turner. Yeah, me too. Me too, because I think he has, like, tools you can't teach. And I think. And the productivity to match.

Exactly. Yeah. And he did it in big moments. this really surprises me. And Viworth Eagles, and I would be trying to move up for Dallas Turner. Matter of fact, I might put that tweet out. Wow. I mean, stop the press as Elon.

Zach's about to tweet that he thinks the Eagles might be interested in trading up for Dallas Turner. Let me ask you this, Zach, as you craft that wonderful tweet. now that we are where we are, if we were doing turkeys, who do you think is the most likely eagle right now? Would you still say Fautano? I would still say Fautano, but, yeah, I would still say Faltano. How would you rank it? Valtano means.

I'll let you do your tweet. I'll tell you what I would say, I would say. I think at this point I would go, I would still go individually, Terry and Arnold 1, even though I think tackle in general is more likely, I would say Arnold 1, maybe Mims 2, Fautano 3, Dallas Turner 4, Quinian Mitchell 5, Tyler Geyton 6. Yeah, I think that I would go Fultano 1, MIMS 2. Mitchell A Mitchell 3, Arnold 4.

You think Mitchell over Arnold, why? Actually, I'd probably go Arnold Arnold over Mitchell. I was thinking more... I was thinking more of the size speed, right? The size speed there. And look, Mitchell, they

know him well. You know, Jason Candle, close with Siriani. Vince Carras, close with Siriani. Like, there's that connection there. But Terry and Arnold, I mean, the time speed. It would be such a departure from the things that they care about for them to rate Mitchell over Arnold. I'm just saying like, are you.

But you're right. They know the guy. Yeah. But no, but I'm saying time speed to them. Everything matters at corner. The time speed for Mitchell's hard to ignore. The time speed for Arnold's probably the reason why he's not a top 10 pick. But anyways, I mean, Turner's the, Turner's the variable here that he's.

he's stuck out like a store of thumb on, on, like, my draft board. So actually, our, our Eagles draft board that Bow and I put together, where was Dallas Turner on that board? Oh, yeah, let's pull up our, let's pull up our draft board. Yep. Yeah. Sorry to put you on the spot there, but, look, Dallas Turner was four. Four.

Like, and look at that, I mean, Brina just, he sticks out a huge way there. Killing it on these things. Yeah. I mean, if you're the Eagles right now, like, I know this isn't their board, but when you have someone like that at a priority position who has the athletic testing, who has the age profile, I would give up a second round pick. Like, if you told me you made that St. I think I would too.

And you can land Jalen Carter and Dallas Turner. Like, come, I mean, come on. Dallas Turner to me is a foundation player for you. Especially if you're getting back something. I think up this high you wouldn't be getting something back, but a few more. I think what this also means, just the way that this has played out, I mean, the Eagles are not moving down. Oh, yeah.

I think there's an outside chance they could just stay in-22, and they'd be fine. They would get somebody they like. Yep. If it is the case that they really love the second round guys, then I could see that. But there's no way that they're not coming away with somebody that they're very excited about, I think, at this point of the draft. I mean, even Byron Murphy, who you and I have disagreed about whether they'd be interested, would they go three defensive tackles in a row?

But I would imagine that he's a guy who's going to be very high on their board, too. Yeah, so if you're the, if you just look at the Dallas Turner possibilities, do the Saints go here? They're still going on offensive line. We've been talking Fashano for them. Probably Fashano went a little higher than some. Yeah, they're going to go Fugga because he's just a slightly more pedigree of Trevor Penning. Yeah. He's Shervinning.

The Colts, I think the Colts would be a Dallas Turner team to watch. I mean, we talked about Brock Bowers for them. We talked about the corners for them. I mean, I imagine the Seahawks should be one, right? So you wonder where, I mean, Mickey Loomis has made comments in the past about making trades with Halley again. I mean, is he perhaps he wants his second round pickback? Well, it's been, Ian Rapaboard has said that the Saints are staying. Saints are staying.

I don't know if they've made their pick yet, but... They will go, man! You called it. Bo called it. I felt very good about that. They go with... How about you saying? Well, they're taking...

They're taking Talisi for Waga. Talisa. Talisa for Waga. They have a kink for guys who are known for just being nasty after the whistle. That's their number one thing. They just think they got it wrong because he was from northern Iowa.

I mean... I feel good about that. So, wow. Look. I don't think he's not a bad prospect. Yeah. He's a very good prospect. And he hits all the benchmarks.

He's got, you know, playing experience, theoretical versatility. He's not that old. I think he's a good player. But he's not someone given this class that I would have ignored, moved down offers for. Yeah, and you just look at, like, from an edge rusher, maybe, I mean, there's talk on Dallas Turner that he's more of a stand-up guy. He's not really a hand-in-the-ground type. The Saints very much play with a hand-in-the-ground edge. But, like, come on.

I mean, if you think the guy can play. Yeah, I don't love Fawaga here. I like Fashano more than Fawaga. I thought Fashano was going to be there for the Saints. that's a very good from Kill a Cow Gay Talese Ifuaga you know

Gay Talise the Yes I just got his book from the library Really? Which one? I forget the name of it But it's a new book

that he has out It's a collection of essays Okay Yeah Let us know how it is Haven't cracked it open yet But I will one Yeah

I read you know what One of one of my favorite things about you Zach Is the use that you make Of the library Thank you Seriously Thank you yeah

Yeah, I love a library. I take my son and my daughter to the library. I believe that, you know, the only, what's the express, the marked wing quote? Golf is a good walk spoiled. Well, that, but he who does not read has no advantage of her he who cannot read. And the library has as many books as you want. You can save. Actually, the library I go to, they put a little note at the end of your, I think I've talked

this on the pod actually. Yeah, how much money you've saved. So I'll tell you the most recent library stint. I'm going to say, I'm going to say that this does qualify as the Saints doing something dumb, but it is not as outrageous as I was hoping for, just for the record. Let me see here. Pulling this up. Checked out from your library. Yes, you have saved $104 and 6 for the past year and $1,8.9.98 since you began using the library. And that was when I moved out two years ago. Scoot you get a little closer. Yeah. Let's hold hands. Oh, we're good. All right. I'm getting a bunch of Sixers text. What's going on? 14 for 14. I think the Sixers have pulled away a little bit. Up 102.92. But.

Oh, how much time is left? Eight 12 left. Wow. That game is going very fast, I feel like. Yeah. And B, 35, 7. Wow. Max. 10, though. That's it?

Only up 10? Only up 10? Only up 10 to go? Yeah. Uh-oh. You got to worry if they're getting a little tight around the collar. And you know what's important here? 14 for 14 offense.

GM and Brunson is having a good game. You know, 13 for 24, 32 points. I, my concern with the situation was that like Brunson was due. Yeah. You know, you lost two bad Brunson games. So if they can pull this one out, then that would be huge. the Knicks, 54% from the free throw line. By the way, the free throw disparity is not that significant in here

in terms of six or six or 16 free throws. Nicks have 11. So if you thought this was going to be like a one-sided game, or like one-sided calling has not been the case. I cannot believe no defense off the board yet. Yeah. Although you're the anti-defense guy. Your big takeaway from Super Bowl is that defense doesn't matter.

I mean, that's a generalization, but that's not far off from what my takeaway was. But yeah, I mean, that doesn't mean that you take, you know, Bo Nix over Dallas Turner. I agree. At 15 now where we know the Eagles have a chance to move up, and the obvious one was 16, where they could move up with the Seahawks and need to recoup some capital.

Like if they move up to 16 and they can get either Tarion Arnold or, Byron Murphy or Dallas Turner even? I'm not as sold on the Murphy part of it, but, yeah, I mean, if you're the culture here? How would you feel if they moved up to 15, if they moved up to 16 and took Amarius Mimps? Given what else was on the board. Well, I like MIMS, but with the way, with the six quarterbacks who've gone right now, I am a little more in favor of the stick and pick idea. You know, one thing that I wrote in those 27 thoughts is that like when the quarterbacks go,

If the quarterbacks go, it's advantageous for the Eagles. So I would say that I got to think the Colts are going to take Turner. If the Colts don't take Turner, then I'm on the phone hard with Seattle trying to get Dallas Turner. How would I feel about me? Because the 16 one is you're getting the pick. Like you're getting a third back. Exactly. Yes.

For Dallas Turner, I would absolutely do that. Yes. You're essentially moving down, you know, 30 spots or so. from the second to third round. Yeah. This is wild. This is interesting stuff. Are you the type who says,

what does the league know that I don't? Or are you saying there's enough like dumb, no, I shouldn't say dumb teams, but desperate teams here that have pushed quarterbacks up the board? Yeah, I am like that in general. Like if I, like, you know, like a Nacobi Dean situation where it's like a full round. But in this situation where what the league knows is just that

They're valuing quarterbacks at a crazy rate. And there's a couple outliers where, you know, Brock Bowers is going over Dallas Turner. It would not make me worried about Dallas Turner in this draft. And then do you think that the Eagles are scarred from the Dillard experience? Not to say that they haven't done work on Turner, but the Dillard thing was, you know, the, he fell farther down. They, I actually think what happened was they did scenarios that week when, And all of a sudden, it wasn't when they thought Dillard could fall.

Right. But like at the start of the process, they thought Dillard was going to go earlier. So they kind of caught up late in the process. But do you think that they're more now like, all right, these are our guys that we're targeting and we don't want to deviate from course? I think there are guys in this class who that would qualify as being analogous. But I don't think it's Dallas Turner for a few reasons. One is they have good information with that program. It's not like, not that they don't have good information at Washington State, but, you know,

they probably spend more time at Alabama than anywhere else. Exactly. So they know all about Dallas Turner, all about the guy. Penunzio, Stoutland, like, Saban. Right. Yeah, they know Sabin well. And they know, I mean, they send their people there all the time. The Colts are taking Lattu Laitu.

Lattu, Lattu, Lattu. Yes. It's okay. You went for it. He went for it. I should let you announce the pricks. So Dallas Turner, not the first edge rusher off the board, and he is there at 16. Oh, my gosh.

But the first defensive player is... Leatu Latu from the UCLA. And an interesting... This is sort of a ballard and he doesn't care about age. I mean, Leotu Latu is awesome to watch. He is, like, as refined a pass rusher as you will see. He is three years older than Dallas Turner, right? Like, to make that bet, it's a, no, you know, he's only two and a half years older.

Oh, no. Yeah, he's two years older. And do you think scheme is factored into this year? Like, do you think they're looking at it? Again, the book on Turner's, he's more of a stand-up guy. Right? Yeah. You know, you're looking at 247 pounds.

That's kind of the role he played at Alabama. I'm sure that's part of it. But to me, you shouldn't worry about skiing when you drive. Like, take the best player. Worry about Skeens, Paul Skeens, and his girlfriend who got rived up by Baby Gronk. Is that the... Rizzed up by Baby Gromk? Isn't that right?

Chris knows what I'm talking about. Yeah, Chris knows Chris, you know? What is it? Baby Gronk rised up Lizzie? Livy? Something like that. Okay. Livy.

I think is her name. Livy. Okay. Baby gronk riszed up Livy. Or was it vice versa. Skeens can pitch, did Livy rive up

baby gronk? This is fun, by the way. This shows fun. Chris says I'm not that, yeah. This show is fun. This is fun. This is wild. I mean, actually,

that sort of tracks for me as a ballard pick, like taking the guy who's a little bit more ready, I guess. I don't know. I mean, I always get worried about the guy who retired from football at one point. Yeah, but that's just how much he loves football.

You couldn't keep him away. Sure, true. True. I think I read he found a doctor to clear him. I never know what goes in. I'm sure it was a very good doctor. But yeah, by the way, Sixers seem to be pulling away. 11 to 99.

So actually, it's not right. It's what's a 12-point game. Okay. Two-point difference from how many last checked in? But M.B. 5 of 7 from 3-point range, 41 points. How about that? Wow.

On one knee. This, okay, you're the Eagles now. You are seven picks away. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven. Good counting. So let's just work it out. Dallas Turner. You know what?

Can you guys pull up the top board, the big board? And we'll just work through. They're going to get one of these players here. So you've got Dallas Turner, Byron Murphy, Amarius Mims, Terry and Arnold, Troy Fautano, Quinion Mitchell, and then, like, that's a great top six, I feel like, and then after that it's Brian Thomas, Cooper DeGine, Jared Verse. I feel like they're going to get one of those first six. So you think the Eagles are thinking sticking. I have Murphy higher than we have him on this board.

I would put him, like, after Mitchell, it's going to be one of those six. So Turner, Arnold, Fautonu, Mims, Mitchell, Murphy. But so if you're the Eagles at this point, you say, all right, if Turner goes, and again, we don't know their evaluation of Turner. But let's not give up that second round pick, that even if you don't get the alignment, you're going to get one of the top two corners at 22. You're going to get, you could be in a situation. So, yeah. To me, I would still be interested in moving up for Turner. but if Turner goes,

then I would be willing to be patient. And what's funny is this is the exact, you know, this could be the Marcus Smith. There's six guys. Right? Yeah. So I don't think, I think if it gets to like four for four, they'll give up extra to make sure that they don't get,

they don't have a fall off there. Now, do you think the gene's in that group for them? I don't. Because I did hear they like the gene. I'm sure they do, but I don't think that he is in that caliber for them. Okay. this is, I mean, it's guessing and just like knowing the things that they care about. But you think there's a big difference between Mitchell Arnold and the gene?

I do. Okay. Yes. Do you? I'm not as sold on that. No, I think, I don't think the, I don't think the, I don't think the gene's in a major tier below them. I think it is Arnold and Mitchell and then Dijin and McKinstree. Okay.

For them. And Wiggins probably at the bottom of that second tier. That's very interesting. So the Seahawks, what do you think the Seahawks do? By the way, per Daniel and Jeremiah, Kirk Cousins was not given a heads up that the Atlanta Falcons would be taking Michael Pennix. Oh, wow.

Jeez, this is going to go well. I mean, but at the same time. He took his shirt off and everything. How can they do this to him? You're Kirk Cousins, you can't complain. Look at the contract they just gave you there. It's like, uh, You know, they, you know how Hallie Roseman said?

We showed you with their actions to Carson Wentz? They show Kirk Cousins with their actions, right? Yeah. They give me a three-year guaranteed deal. Huh. I think if they don't go up for Turner, then they're waiting, and then they move up to like 19 or 20 to make sure they get a guy. That's my guess.

Okay. Maybe get up that fourth. I mean, I would do that in a heartbeat. Well, to go up like two spots. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. that's what the fourth forward. So you're sticking with Fautano right now.

I'm sticking with Fultano, but I'm talking what I would do. If I were Howie, I would be strong going after Dallas Turner. Yeah. I don't disagree. I mean, what did Dallas Turner do? Do you hang out with Kirk Cousins?

But I do think that those two second round picks are valuable. You also say you can stay, you can stay there and you can get a quality player. As long as you're not, I do think that they wanted an offensive lineman, right? And there is a drop-off. Yeah.

So if you're okay not getting an alignment, the outcome of sticking and picking, shout out shield, would be a sensible one. Okay. I see. Waiting for this Seahawks pick to come in. Feels like it's coming down. Yeah. Chris is saying they got to go Dallas Turner.

He's saying the Seahawks have to go Dallas Turner. Before we, I mean, should we tell everyone about some of our other friends here? Like, you know, game time and... Sure. Yeah. You want to go or? Oh, yeah, I mean, typically you go first, but I'm happy to go. Go ahead.

I'm happy to go here. Because, look, the Sixers are. looks like they're going to pull this out. Hopefully they do pull this out. And if they do, then Sunday's game is going to be awesome. A chance to tie up the series. And you might say you want to wait for the last minute to get a ticket. The place to turn is game time.

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So they're getting past rush help, but not from the outside, from the interior. So Dallas Turner remains on the board. for the Eagles. But before we talk about that, let's talk about our friends at True Fan Travel, because True Fan Travel is your passport to the world of sports. They've got over 8,000 fans traveling to over 145 different trips. Don't just watch the game, live it. With True Fan Travel, travel you can travel to the most sought-after games worldwide from football to baseball, basketball, soccer, and more. They've got custom travel packages that include tickets, four and a half, four to five star accommodation and unique local experiences making it an unforgettable sports getaway.

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So it's closing here, 257 to go. Oh, well, you know, eight points with that much time. Nothing can go wrong. Uh-oh. We do have a watch party on Sunday for the Sixers game? Yeah, that Wicked Wolf. That wicked wolf Our friends!

At the wolf! Wicked wolf! If the Sixers hold on, join us at the watch party. You know what's great for Bo here? Is these hats, it doesn't have the O. Yeah, that's a great point, actually.

So you can make a convincing argument that's W-U-L-F. Now, a balzy thing to just wear your own last name as a hat. I have a nephew named Xavier, and one of my early presents for him was a Xavier hat. Yeah.

No, that's good. But would you wear a hat that says Berman on it? Would I wear a hat that said Berman? Not if it wasn't, like, specific to. I wouldn't get a hat made that said Berman, but like if there was like a player with the last name Berman, I would get my son that jersey. You know, yeah, it'd be pretty cool. Again, not.

There are sneakers called Hoff sneakers. Oh, okay. I got those. Hops sneakers. Julian Hough. Nice. All right. So, we thought.

that there were six guys for seven spots. Now it's five or, now so you're a big Murphy guy. You're a big Murphy guy. I am a big Murphy guy. I like Byron Murphy a lot. Okay. And clearly Seattle does too.

Yeah. Yeah, I think he's like what you want at that position. He can really make plays in the backfield. And I think the production, the profile at all backs it up. Is he a little bit undersized? Yes. Not that big of a deal. And he uses that undersized nis.

to his advantage. Yeah. And he's the first de-tackle off the board, second defensive player off the board. So clearly, he's someone that they like. By the way, Diana, I'm sorry, Diana Rossini says, the Falcons called Kirk Cousins when they were on the clock

to let him know from what I learned. What's so wild about that is that it's not like, it's not like they could have been shocked that Pennix was available. Exactly, right? Like, you say we might take a quarterback if the guy would like, you call him that.

That morning. It's not like, oh, well, we can't ignore the grade here because we didn't expect him to be here. Yeah. Like, yeah. You've got to call him that morning and say, look, if the board falls a certain way, we might take a quarterback here. Now, the Vikings are back on the clock, according to Jordan Shultz, if I have that attributed correctly. So they have moved up taking the spot of the Jacksonville Jaguar. Now, they just paid two edge rushers.

They pay Renard and Van Ginkle. And they're taking a – they just took a quarterback. So are they taking a tackle to protect the quarterback? Are they taking Fautano? That would be my guess. Or are they taking a corner? Brian Thomas to free things up. Or they say they have a chance to get the best corner in the draft?

Yeah. You know, that's the spot. Yeah, they would strike me as a Quinnian-Mitchell team, not a Terry and Arnold team. From the Brian Flores. Their corner situation is not good. I mean, they have, they have Byron Murphy on one side. Then the other side, they have Caleb Evans. Shack Griffin is the backup.

So corner could be a spot there. They're edge rushers, Jonathan Gernard. They have Jonathan Bollard on the other side. They have Van Ginkle as their outside. I'm sorry, they have Jonathan Gernard and they have Andrew Van Ginkle, two guys that they paid money to. But again, you know, you have to. I look at Questi.

I think he's a really good GM, and he knows value when he sees it. He might say the value is too much to pass up here. Now, this is interesting just from an Eagles perspective, because they're moving up from 23, so it's one spot different than the Eagles, and all they're doing to move up those six spots is giving up 167, according to Jordan Schultz. That is a late fifth rounder,

which strikes me as not enough relative to what I would have expected. So if the Eagles want to move up, they can do it. It's not going to be that expensive. It's not going to be that expensive. And it is Dallas Turner to the Vikings. Dallas Turner to the Vikings. Okay. So with Dallas Turner off the board here.

Okay, so now it becomes four, there are three guys for four spots, in my opinion. No, that's not right. Both corners, four guys for five spots. Four guys from, both corners, Terry and Arles and Quigin and Mitchell. What I would do is I would stay where I am. Annamarious Mims and Troy Fautano. Yep. I would stay where I am, and I would see who falls you on.

This could be the Marcus Smith. Yeah. Well, I look at the gene differently than you do. But at this point here, you got Fultano, you got Mims, you got both corners. Okay, that report of the trade, if the chat is correct, was wrong. It is 23-167 and a future third and fourth. Oh, okay. Man, the, okay, there's Vikings.

Okay, yes, Field Yates has it. 17 for 23-167 and a 20-25 third and a 2025-fourth. So that's a lot. Yes. And I would not give that up. You would not even for. For Turner, I think I probably would have, actually. But at this point now, I would roll the dice.

I would let two more picks go and then pay if I needed to. You got the Bengals, the Rams, the Steelers, the Dolphins. You just need one of those teams to step outside of the expectation. I think the Bengals, I'd be looking at Falano or Mims here for the Bengals. I think the Rams, I mean, maybe O-line, maybe a wide receiver. If the Rams take a wide receiver, right, Right, but then... You're feeling good.

Yeah. I don't know. I think the Bengals have a chance to take a guy you like here. The one thing to watch out for is if the Bengals take a wide receiver, the Bengals say, all right, they're going to move T. Higgins. If they take a wide receiver, that's a really good outcome for the Eagles. And then I say definitely stay where you are. You're going to get one of those two tackles or you're going to get one of the two corners.

I think it would be really fun for us if they took Fautano and for once we both got it right. I think that'd be great. Because we could really flex. As a team, we both got a right. How did you have the Eagles getting Fautano? What was the trade? I had them moving up for Fautano. Yeah, who did the John Hertz?

Was that the trade? No, no, that was not for Fauton. It was the John Hurt's trade for it. I don't remember. Okay. It's not important. You know what? That's what I thought was going to happen.

Honestly, I'd be happy for you that you finally would get a pick right. So I'd be, I would look at it like, all right, now you get to experience. Well, thank you for. Yeah, you get to experience what I've experienced in the past. Okay. So let me ask you this. Fautano, Mims, Arnold, Mitchell. You think Fautano is the most likely,

but of those four who would you want? I would go, of those four, I would go Mims. Interesting. I would go Mims. Actually, Fetano would be like the fourth guy for me. I'm not as big on Fetano, but I think for them, Fetano would be the guy. I think their ranking would be Fultano, Mims,

Arnold Mitchell. Okay. Because I think they see the drop off at corner, and I think they can get a corner in the second round. Yeah. Whereas it's harder to get. I don't think a Rosen Garden in the second round or Cooper Beebe in the second round is comparable to Falano or Mims. So in that case, I agree. I would be, my preference would be taking the corner.

I'm sorry, would be taking the tackle. not the corner. How do you rank those for your view and for the Eagles view? I think the Eagles probably have it Fautano, Arnold Mims Mitchell. I just, I think that they would like Arnold. Okay. But, you know, for all the reasons that we have talked about all draft season, tackle versus corner, I know that there's a hesitation to take a guy who might not play right away. and if it's Fautano, he's going to be starting at right guard week one.

If it's MIMS, that's not as definite. It's more of a projection. But this is where the best offensive linemen come from. It is not necessarily where the best corners come from. The hit rate at tackle is much higher than it is at corner. I totally understand it. But also, if I'm throwing that stuff to the side, what do I think is more fun? Like, Terry and Arnold is a lot of fun to me.

and I would be very interested in him. By the way, in terms of the bold predictions, I said that corners were going to go, there were going to be no corners in the top half of the draft. Nicely done. The corners did fall here. And I think that speaks to, I'm not saying that as like a flex.

I'm saying it for this reason. I don't think the corner class this year was as top heavy as, you know, when we talk about Mitchell and Arnold, being the top guys, I think they were the top guys in a class that wasn't top. top heavy, right? I think the strength of this class was kind of the cluster in the, you know, late round one, round two area, not the top. The league certainly feels that way. Like, I, I like Terry and Arnold. I like Coyne and Mitchell. I think in a different year, those guys are not your

top two corners, right? I think those guys are probably more closer to the, to the bottom of the first. It surprises me to see a corner who ran a four-five-five, you know, and it, you know, you know, pick to be the top corner in the draft, like that. That's pretty rare because you look for the high end speed. Well, we have another one of those four off the board, Zach. At 18, the Cincinnati Bengals are taking Amarius Mims. Okay. So now it is three guys with four picks to go.

If the Eagles really want to come out of this with an offensive lineman, you would think that now is when they would trade up for Fautano. Yes, I agree. And make you look like a genius, which you are. I mean, that would be a big flex. I feel like if you nail that, you got to do something to celebrate. No. You know what I would do?

I would have a good show today. You would get the next one next one next year. Exactly. I would say, all right. Yes. I mean, you don't, you hand the ball to the ref, right? That's what you do. You act like you've been there before.

And I would act like I've been there before. I think you could at least, you know, be like Reed Berman, celebrate that touchdown and spike that bad boy. Yeah. Yeah, my players were actually practicing their spikes. Good, that's fun. Yeah, no, I like Barry Sanders, I like to hand the ball to the ref. So let's say that the Eagles get left out here.

It's three for three. Who do you think is next on the list? Who is the after Fautano, Arnold Mitchell, who's the next most likely player to be selected? Next most likely to be selected. By the Eagles, if they stay at 22. Oh, Dijin. You think Dijin?

Yeah. I would go gutted. I think. Interesting. Okay. Okay. That's who I think Tim McManus had, Eagles calling Guy. Smart guy.

His match, yep. Shield's favorite beat writer. No arguments. I mean, I would argue. I love Tim, but I'll bet on myself, right? Good for you. Yeah. Always bet on yourself.

That's, for all the kids watching. Always bet on yourself. Not in the Jonté Porter kind of way. I'm at more in terms of like your career, yes. Step into the octagon with Josh Harris. You might not want to bet on yourself. Yeah, yeah, yeah. True, true, true.

Here you go. Wow. Now, Caliph says, I don't know if we can crown Khalif as an NFL newsbreaker, but he has the Pittsburgh Steelers taking Cooper DeGine. Although is that, they're not on the clock right now, so that's just a guess, I think. The Rams would, there are on the clock. Yes. Yeah.

So Rams, do you think the Rams go? Now, listen, I think that the Eagles would have a high grade on Brian Thomas. Yeah. They just extended A.J. Brown tonight after having extended Devante Smith, would they, would they dare take Brian Thomas to 22, who would be the perfect fit as the third receiver? You take the best player. Yeah, take the best player. I'm just going to put this out here with the Marius Mims gone. Or I would say, what is it, four picks to go here?

Yeah. I'd say the Eagles could stick and pick. Wow, this is really how the tofu gets made. The Eagles can stick and pick and get a quality player. If they're eyeing Troy Fatanu. This is just a Laquois. The time to strike is now after Mims, after Ameri's men's win. Are the Sixers going to win?

Is it over? I'm getting a lot of, yeah, I'm getting a lot of text here. I'm going to chain with my brothers. It's blowing up. Sixers 123 to 114 to go. You're over yet, McGavin. What? Yeah, they're not going to lose this one.

Wow. So, big one for the Sixers here. And by the way, please keep tuning in, okay. But if you want to, for your Sixers coverage, Right across the hall here, we have a great, you know, we have Devon Givens here. We have Jimmy Lynch here. Right down there at the arena. We have Kyle Neupack.

We have Derek Bodner. So you can tune into the post-game show here. We won't be offended if you go back and forth. It's actually, it's a laptop. You can have two screens up or have two tabs. Bo has like, what, like 87 tabs up right now? I don't have two audios playing it once, though. Okay, we can mute one of the audios, but, but, come on.

I mean, pull up their show. Yeah, juice our numbers. Pause it, finish the show, and then, There's at the end. Juice our numbers. Okay. Here we go. Rams on the clock.

Rams on the clock. What's your prediction? Do you think Fultonimo? I think Brian Thomas would be fun for them. Do you think Brian Thomas? But yeah. I don't know. All I'm hearing is Shregor saying they're definitely going offense.

Maybe they're trading out. That's true. Yeah, I mean, actually Shregor had them trading out today. Yes. Oh. That's it going to be, too? Who's it going to be? So do you think, do you think even with the corners on the board, they would go Guyton?

Do you think the offensive line valued to them is that? Good question. If they were all there? Yeah. No. Okay. Over Dijin, I think yes. Yeah.

Over Mitchell and especially Arnold, I think, no. But now you've got to wonder, like, what's going on with Terran Arnold? Now it's starting to become, what do we not know? Yeah. Jeff McLean says, Eagles like Washington tackle, Troy Fattano, that I know. Because you see that on all-P-H-L-Y.com as well. But I heard a comparison to Isaac S.Malo from inside the building. Do they want to draft a guy that projects more as an interior offensive lineman than a tackle in the first round?

Well, and listen, there is this, the consideration that if you draft Fautano and you move him to right guard, and he's a really good guard, are you really going to move him to tackle after that when Lane Johnson retired? Yeah, so I, so. If that, if you're not, then is it worthwhile taking a guard at 22? So here, so a few things there. And Jimmy Kemski tweeted that out today. Jason Kelsey actually responded and said,

Really? Yeah, Kelsey said you, C-team, he said you are, because what Jimmy said is if he's good, he stays there, if he's bad, you're not going to move in the tackle. He's not good. He says either way, you drafted a guard. and Kelsey said Good for Kelsey getting active on Twitter.

I didn't see this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Kelsey said you're like right about that, except, you know, you do see some teams move it. Tyler Smith might do it with the Cowboys this year. My view on it is this. It's a valid point. If the worst case or if the downside is that he's such a good guard

that you don't want to move him, I put this out here, I put this out there today and I stand by it. Guards now, there are five guards that make at least 20 million, okay? There are eight guards that make, here, let me pull the exact numbers up here. Essentially, what I'm trying to say is guards are increasingly, here you go. There are now four guards who make 20 million plus and 10 guards who make $15 million plus. By comparison, there are three cornerbacks who make 20 million plus and eight cornerbacks who make 15 million plus. The idea that guard is not like a valued position, I think, is, you know, this past free agency

showed you, that's not the case. If the downside of your 22 pick is that he's Landon Dickerson and he's a guard that you don't want to move because he's so good at that spot, that's a good outcome. That's like a $20 million year player. But that's not the downside. That's probably an unfair framing. I mean, there's all kinds of guards who get drafted in the first round who are not Landon Dickerson.

Like, Lennon Dickerson is getting paid because he's really good. Guard does not have his high hit rate in the first round. But the point is if he's good, right? Right, but that's not, it's not like the worst case scenario is he's a really good guard. That's not the problem. I think it's all about, it's all about like the confidence level. And I don't think that a guard in the first round, a guard only, is a good use of the resource. I think you've got to believe that Fautano can move to right tackle.

I think he probably can. Jamie wants Terry and Arnold. Jamie's been all over the cornerback train. He wants Terry and Arnold. That's definitely possible. By the way, Jordan Rodriguez, who does an outstanding job covering the Rams. She's very plugged in. She says, Rams are on the clock.

Right outside pass rushers and interior disruptors still on the board. They're taking Jaredverse. They're taking Jared verse. Wow, okay. The Eagles have now three for three. They do not need to move up. Yep. if they want Fautano, Arnold, or Mims.

Do you think that they do move up, or do you think that they stay at 22 now? So I think you've got to be worried about the dolphins taking Fultano. If you want Fultano, and if the Steelers, I think, in corner here, then you're calling Andy or you're calling Omar, and you're saying, that's Andy Wiedell and Omar Khan. And you're saying...

I like this new bit. I like the new first name bit that you got going on tonight. And you're saying, you're saying, You'll still get your guy at 22. Let us jump Miami. That's because I think, I do think Miami's the team to watch for an offensive lineman. They have multiple spots there, including center. You know, there's, there's.

Some people think Fautano could be a center. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. So when I say multiple spots, Fultano's versatility would make sense for a team like Miami. If you want Fultano, I would do the slight trade-up with Pittsburgh. because it's not going to cost you much. It will cost you at that point maybe a fifth, right?

To move up from 22 to 20? Yeah. Maybe a fourth. Maybe a fourth? Yeah. Okay. And maybe you get a six-back or something. Hmm.

This is spicy. It is Zach, did you listen to the Jordan Rodriguez podcast series on the Shanahan. Of course I did. Come on. It's football content. You think he missed football content? And it's Jordan's content. And I consume all of Jordan's content.

She does an amazing job. someone says can we get Xavier worthy that would surprise me that would surprise me but now here let me ask you this I think it's got to be Fautano Arnold or Mitchell at this point don't you for the Eagles yes yes

but you do like Guyton let's do do you mind flipping up the list we have of the pre-draft visits for the Eagles Julia because the Eagles over the past few years in the first round at least do not tend to draft people who they did not bring in for

a pre-draft visit. And these are the reported pre-draft visits we have, courtesy of, you know, thanks to Andrew DeCechko and Devin from the Inquirer and Jimmy Kemsky, these guys do a good job of corraling all the reported pre-draft visits. All three of Fautano, Arnold, and Mitchell did come to the Novacare Complex

in the pre-draft process. You've got to wonder how they fared against Nick Siriani in the horse games as we bring it in handsome rich slide this bad boy in so you see them all there fautonu guiten as well and Arnold did they not bring in quinian Mitchell oh no that was reported today wasn't it yes yes yep so that wasn't on there originally but um yeah I don't know I'm hoping you're going to break this Zach I'm hoping you're going to scoop this bad boy I hope so too I put out that tweet maybe that was the bat signal

they want to assure the O'Liman. Rich, how are you feeling? As more of the rooting perspective. I is, let's see, who do we get still on the board? Fautano. Either one of the corners, I'd be pretty thrilled by. Yeah, now there has been talk of Fultano playing center in Pittsburgh. The Fultano's center part of it.

Did we just talk about that? Are you filling in a rush? I was talking about Miami, but I'm saying Pittsburgh. There's been talking about that in Pittsburgh. as well. I mean, it pretty crazy. Tell us in the chat. Who do you want in the chat?

And what's the worst? Yeah, imagine they take Chop Robinson. That would be disaster. That wouldn't be fun. That would be bad. Byron Murphy? I was stunned by that one, that high. Oh, I'm not stunned by that.

I like a Byron Murphy. Okay. Yeah, Bo's been talking about Byron Murphy. He's got Byron Murphy's stuff. I don't feel like that crazy of a take. He likes those 6-1D tackles. Highdest over here. Trust me.

Yes. if there's anyone who knows the perils of being undersized. Let's see. Who was the guy that you were walking with, Sack? Terrence Roberts. Terrence Roberts. Yes. Real good guy.

I went to the story on the meeting of every one of his tattoos. That's how I knew he had 12 tattoos. Yes. Great. I was proud of that piece. Chat seems to be leaning, I would say, majority for Terry and Arnold here. That's who Les Bowen wanted. As you can read on all-P-H-L-Y.com.

And we're going to have Les, joining us on Saturday for some time during day three of the draft. If he can walk in here and flex about Terry and Arnold, that would be kind of fun. I think is it fair to say, Rich, that the fan base would be most energized by Arnold? Like, that would be the guy who, you know, if Howie wants to win the headlines, Arnold would do it. And if he wants to lose the headlines, I really think Faltona would do it, even though I think Falton is the guy that I know he's a guy that they've liked. Yes, Zach, I think 100%. I mean, I'm just judging from what I think, what the majority of the chat thinks.

Like when I walked in here, I said, I want a corner. In my fan brain, I just want to see the guy who's playing right now. And if it's Terry and Arnold, who is somebody who I frankly thought they were going to have to trade up to go get. And if they're able to select him down at their own pick, like, I think that would be, I think he could put up. his chess a little bit like man that was a win you know um maybe maybe you wouldn't puff his chest maybe it's more just uh wow i can't believe this guy uh this guy fell to us so according to jordan the stewarderls the stewardes are taking you boy troy felt on really oh i'm sorry zach the streak is over that's okay it's like the undertaker wrestling maybe yeah yeah you had a good run

that's okay yeah i mean you're two picks away it's very close now i mean so there's no close in this it's just right or wrong. It's binary. And it doesn't matter when they go as long as you projected them to be the pick. Yeah. Okay. Well, I'll tell you what is interesting about this.

Now we're really going to find out what they think of course. What the position preference is. We talked about we're going to find out how they really feel about corners in the first round. If they don't take a corner now with two guys left and two spots to go, then they then we can, like,

they do not value it. at that level. We can still talk about maybe a top five, top ten pick as a possibility. But if they're going to take Tyler Guyton over one of these corners, then, yeah, that tells us the truth about how they feel. And it also means that if they were willing to sit back and let this come to us and not move up for an offensive lineman, because if they really wanted to secure, like you said,

to get one of these top tackles, they would have done it. They would have moved up for Fautano or Mims if they didn't want to take a corner. So this is going to tell us a lot of truth about their position preferences, I think. Well said. Well said. I think that I would definitely think that if this is Tyler Geithen, the fan base is outraged. Right. Now, there is a scenario here where the Eagles say, man, because I don't think dolphins are taking a corner.

So they could have both corners here. The Eagles could trade back a few spots, right? pick up later draft capital here. You might say that's getting cute, but... I think it is getting cute. Okay. Don't you? Because, I mean, a team also may, if they want a corner, they may go up and get one.

Sure. I mean, if you want to move down A-spot or something like that, but I think that would be telling us that they don't necessarily need the corner. Exactly. Right? If they're willing to risk that. Yeah. Let's read a couple super chats while we have them here from Jalen All Day says, Bose first seven trade-up selections are over.

Well, that's okay. We're feeling good. I feel good about getting one right this year. Getting it right, really, is all that matters. Daniel says, do the Eagles trade back into round one after we make our pick since so many of the names we are tied to are still here? And I do think that this is a possibility because 50 and 53 does get you to the back end of the first round and it's even a little bit more if you wanted to.

And so if they can come out of this with Terry and Arnold and. in Tyler Guyton at 30, I think they would feel very good about that. And I think that is definitely on the table. I agree. I mean, I, yeah, I thought offensive linemen throughout this process. So if it's a slight tradeback and getting the old lineman, yeah, I can see that. Why is Guyton dropped from, you know, I remember when this started around the senior bowl, he was kind of in that sort of list we talked about, whether it was MIMS or, you know, even

Fletano. and Fouago all these guys. Why has he seemed to kind of slip a little bit and be thought about, if not in that tier at the end of that tier? I think on the profile, there are some questions about why it took so long for him to get on the field.

I mean, even, you know, he started at TCU as a tight end, but even when he got to Oklahoma, he was not a full-time starter until this past year as a fourth-year junior. There are some thoughts about, like, the body type, like he's a little heavy-legged, and is like it's not exactly the ideal thing. And then I don't like to speculate on this stuff,

but you hear whispers about like some off-the-field competitiveness questions, stuff like that, and maybe that's related into why he didn't get on the field, but I certainly think he's a talented guy. Devon, who we're rooting for? What do we got? Who do you want? Let's go a corner. Devon wants a corner.

The one wants a corner. Ringing the bell. What do you think about, what would you have said about guidance, Zach? Yeah, I mean, I think that he was like the best of what was there at the senior bowl. So you saw some of the senior bowl buzz there. But when you looked at it, I thought that he wasn't one of the top five or six guys, right? He was kind of lumped in with Mims for a period of time. I do think Mims kind of separated himself.

I still think, I think Guitons is a first round pick. Like I had him going to the Cowboys. But I don't think that there were, I don't think the league saw him in that group with, you know, all in Fashanu and Latham and Fata and Fittano and, you know, I'm sorry, Felisa. Tall Lisa? Like, like, you know, you know, your friend Lisa and she's tall. Tall, Lisa. I know.

Yes, yes. Fouac. I'm sorry. We've been going for two and a half hours with outbreaks. Like, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah, you're left in a mistake. It's fine.

Yeah, it's fine, Zach. Yeah, I'm trying to help you through it. Yeah, sorry. Sorry, yeah. And I'm trying to, like, give the people what they want on social, too, you know? Yeah, I mean, that I have no sympathy for you. You have no sympathy for, okay. You're here for the show, you know.

Oh, yeah. Do you want to give the people what they want, show a little more skin? Oh, hey! Now we're talking. It's 1030, right? Just in time for the U.S. pick. Yeah. I have one other question for you guys, too.

If they do have the chance to pick either corner, which Which one would you, you know, if you have to pick one of them, which one are you guys taking? I think their preference is Arnold, and my preference would be Arnold. Probably Arnold. Probably Arnold. SCC. Yeah. Younger. You know, productive. You know he can play press, right? Like, he's, I wish he was a little faster.

But again, we had Dane on talking about him. And Dane's like, all right, you know, if the guy's running, if you have a fast guy who's running, downfield. Maybe he doesn't have a step on him. But for all intents and purposes, he's strive for stride with his guys, right? Makes plays on the ball. I don't know him, but from everything I've heard wired the right way, like wired in a way that you would want a corner to be. So that could be a good outcome. Super chat from James says that either Arnold or Mitchell is a great result, a slam dunk, as he says. Let's talk about these two guys. here who seemed likely and you want to compare the two of them Terry and Arnold

511 and three quarters so just under six foot 189 ran a 4-540 he is 21 years old on the dot started for one and a half seasons for Alabama started as a freshman was a freshman All-American last year and then this year as a redshirt sophomore a first team All-American some of his other athletics testing results were very solid nothing outside of the bounds that you would be looking for. So the book on him, pedigreed, productive, and young. Quinion Mitchell, more of a late bloomer, almost two full years older than Terry and Arnold was at Toledo, as you know. Six foot, basically, on the dot, 195.

The Eagles are on the clock. It ran out 4-3-340. That means they moved up one spot, if that's the case. No, no, no, no. I think the other pick was in. I ran a 4-3-3-40 for Quinion Mitchell, went to the Senior Bowl and dominated, and one of the big questions was he didn't really play a bunch of man in college, went to the Senior Bowl and sort of proved against that level of receiver that he could do that. It was probably the best player on the field, had some good ball production two years ago with five interceptions, one interception last year. Both of these players' good bets at this point.

I think Arnold a better bet, but Mitchell has, as you have alluded to, Zaz. The Eagles will know a lot about him because of the Nick Siriani Mountain Union connection with Jason Kendall. What do you got, Rich? Well, I'm just reading a tweet from Adam Beasley. I believe he's kind of a Miami writer. The Dolphins take edge chop Robinson.

Really? Interesting. Okay. Want that speed. So this is wild for the Eagles. Given all of the talk trading up, they're going to just get to sit at 22 and pick the best corner on the board.

Or, or, or, they're going to shock us and go Tyler Guyton or Brian Thomas or Graham Barton you think you think the city would burn if they'd take Graham Barton yes I do yes I do all the excitement for the Sixers game would would go out the window it'd be like ambit is declared out for Sunday's game because the Eagles took Graham Barton exactly he scores 50 grand Barton pick out for the season yeah oh man don't do it howie I all right well let's let's write down our let's write down our guess this. Very quickly, is it Terrian Arnold, or is it Arnold Terran? Is Terrian Arnold? Are you sure about that? Yep. Okay.

I've got Terrian Arnold. I have Terrian Arnold as well. You just have Arnold. That means you've got any Arnold. Could be any... Could be Grayland. Yeah. This is very exciting.

Who's going to break it? Yeah, la yada. Would you think about moving down? I would always think about moving down, right? I mean, especially because I like the gene quite a bit. And but you think Arnold's a clear-cut top guy? Yeah, that'd be a really good outcome for the Eagles. Who would you pick if you were on the board?

Terry Arnold. You would pick, Terry. That would be your pick if you were the G. Yeah, although I would consider trading down. I would see what the offers are. Yeah? Yeah, this is one I would take it to the clock. I know, but the problem is this.

Houston apparently wants to trade up, and they're not in the first round. So I wouldn't trade out of the first round, of course. Yeah, they would take a lot. Would you take their first round pick next year to move down to, what are they at, like, 35 or something like that? I don't know. They're all the way down 42.

Yeah. So I would not do that. Oh my gosh, this is so exciting. Who is it going to be? Should we write down who we think is going to break it? No. No. You take offense to that.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm trying to think of other times when, like, the player that we thought nobody, that the Eagles, it just wasn't, that guy wasn't going to get to the Eagles actually fell. I mean, I guess last year kind of with Jalen Carter, right? They moved up for him. They did move up a couple spots for him. Somebody, somebody, like, so universally seen as,

like a good a good like a perfect fit and a perfect profile I don't know now Vince Vince says he would move out Vince loves straightened out

I would not here Vince loves we own and do it you know what the don't look a gift horse in the mouth here the universe has dealt you Terry and Arnold kiss that bad boy on the mouth

and welcome him to Philadelphia stick and pick and stick a little tongue in why not let's celebrate you know suck them back with the boys I think this is the time let's do it

who's gonna break it oh my gosh I think I might break it let's go Zach I think I might break it Matt I wrote Zach I wrote Zach Berman no matter what

on a piece of paper earlier tonight thank you we can fill the air time though we can fill the airtime Zach Zach stop stop let's talk about football

I wanted to give you quiet to work Yeah, it's like my phone. Hold up, let him cook. I should turn off my phone here. Oh, yeah, let's get those notifications. I don't want anyone to, no, zoom in on the screen. You think that people, oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. All right. Well, oh, man, you know what I thought about just doing the Philadelphia Vehicle, I've selected Graham Barton? Ah, just said, that would be a funny bit. That's too mean. That's too mean.

Yeah, I think they're going to stay. I think they're going to stay. and they're going to stick and pick. Shout out the shield. Stick and pick. Yeah, I mean, I think that this is, like, very fortuitous. This has broken extremely well for them. What would it take for you to move off this?

It would depend on how far down I'm moving. Okay. And it would take a few, like, a really high second or a future first, I think. And what? They could sell it if they ended up taking Guy... Yeah, now maybe that's a little bit. They trade for? I mean, they won't be able to sell it

because people will not be happy, including me. But I guess they could at least say he was part of the tackle crop. And you think it's one of those three? You think it's one of Arnold Mitchell or Guyton? I do, but I guess, I mean, it could be Dejean. Okay. That could shock us.

I would not love that. But, yeah. It would be the bow necks of corner picks. Yeah, I mean, that'd be the, at the very least. I mean, taking one, you're going away from the Sabin, the Saban cornerback factory and taking Opie. I've never been on air. Well, we were on air the regular year, actually.

Yes. But I was in the comfort. Not a good omen for how this picture's going to work out. I was in the comforts of my own home for that, yeah. Are you trying to make a phone call? You want to pull a, that's okay. Yeah, it's a little harder, but see what we got. We're in a texting environment.

Okay. Yeah, I mean, we're just playing the waiting game, Rand. right now. I'm just refreshing Twitter. I'm saying just refreshing Zach's Twitter feed. Vince would hate. Zach, if you break it on Twitter before you break it on the show. No, I would break it on the show. But I would do it simultaneously, actually. You're going to do one first.

No, no, no, I would be reading my tweet out loud. No, you've got to say it first while you're working on tweet. You cannot slow play that. No, I would be like, I would be writing the tweet out loud, so you hear me doing the I know, but you speak faster than you type. I mean, who am I to think that I'm going to break this? We need to have a timer, too, you know, like that down to the second of him versus, I don't know, who else? He's going to step up to the plate.

I don't know. I mean, everybody's got, everybody's so on edge. Here we go, this is it. Oh, man. It's not New Year. How does this compare to New Year? New Year's Eve for you, Zach? I mean, this is better than New Year's Eve.

This is for me. Yeah, this is my job. This is my job. Hey, this is my job. It's draft night. Yeah. The Eagles are drafting Terry and Arnold. but are they oh my god it's brian thomas is it no oh oh oh i can't i'm sorry i stay in character right

oh my gosh it's spencer rattler that would be something else huh zach zach now stop this stop please stop please stay come on come on let's be professional here um that's professional is the pick in The TV is way behind, huh? Yeah. They're taking Quigianne Mitchell. Wow. Did you break that? Is that you breaking it?

I guess, I mean, I haven't seen it on Twitter yet. Wow, ladies and gentlemen, breaking news on the P.HLY Eagles draft day show. Zach Berman breaks it. The Eagles are taking Toledo's Quinyon Mitchell at 22. They stay there. The Jason Candle Mountain Union Connection. Quinion Mitchell went down to the Senior Bowl and blew everybody away, answered questions

about his ability to play man coverage. Vic Fangio, presumably putting his thumb on the scale, wanting Quinn and Mitchell over Terry and Arnold. This is an interesting one to follow over the years. They have made this choice of the top two corners. They're taking Mitchell over Arnold, who comes with a better profile. but Mitchell, more height, weight speed.

And most importantly, the thing that we will remember, as Quine and Mitchell joins Darius Slay to presumably start week one and eventually take over as the number one corner, is where you were on April 25th, 2004 at 1042 at night, when the news was broken by Zach Berman. Stop, stop, stop, stop. I have checked Twitter.

I have put up the latest so I could see. any Quinny and Mitchell tweets and unless somebody tweeted it five minutes ago Zach got it. ZB is your winner. And the problem is Zach doesn't even know because he's on the for you tab. It's true actually. I wasn't looking at Twitter. I was, but

Let's get it in the chat. The chat is going. Here we go. Zach. Stop, stop. No, let's give analysis. Let's give analysis about what it is. We got all life for analysis. Now is the time to celebrate you. No, no, no. No. You broke it. Six foot 1905.

Correctly predicted it, but he ran a 433, like you said. Is Jason Candle, the college roommate? Oh, that's very exciting. I don't know if they were roommates or not. From Toledo. Was he in, let me see here. Sorry, you guys can. Well, you just said you wanted to offer some analysis.

Yeah, okay, yeah. So, Queenie Mitchell, like I said, Eagles have, and as you've mentioned, the Eagles have a background with him in Jason Candle, Vince Carras, second team All-American past two years, which jumps out as the ball production, right? Like, you know, five interceptions two years ago, an interception last year, but man, he gets his hands on, he deflects these balls. 25 past deflections in 2022, 19 past deflections in 2023. One thing I imagine Howard Roseman is going to say during this is that he aced every part of this draft process, right? So you do the film, the qualitative analysis from the film, boom, he was awesome.

Goes to the senior bowl against good competition. Boom, he was awesome. Bo was there. He can attest for that. Goes to the Combine, 433, okay? 10-2 broad jump, right? Awesome, right? So he's giving you exactly what you want at every step of the way. So that's what stands out to me. I spoke about my concern with Arnold being the speed, and that can sometimes be overstated. You don't have to worry about the speed here.

Like I said, the 43340, that jumps out in a big way. You wish the arms were, you know, 32, 33, inches, not 31, but, like, you will certainly take 31 here on a 6-foot-195-pound frame. NFL ready, like Blightbo said, he'll step in right away. But you can't argue with this pick in that regard. I love it. I'm so happy.

You did it, Zach? 433. You always bet on yourself. You bet on yourself? Second Team All-American two years around. ZB broke it. You're breaking the Internet. No, come on.

I'm just working hard on my job. Second Team All-American two years in a row, like I said, and then played for Nick Siriannis. This is going to be fascinating to follow how Quinnian Mitchell and Terry and Arnold. I mean, they're going to be linked. I hate to, yeah, I mean, it sets up for a Jalen Rager, Justin Jefferson situation where they have made this choice, and the other guy seems like a better profile bet,

but I think it's very interesting. And, I mean, it is a departure from the preferences they've had in recent years. I will be really interested to hear or, you know, try to report out the level of influence of Vic Fangio on this selection because, obviously, he's the guy who is carrying the weight in that room on that side of the ball. and because this is a departure from the things that we have thought that they cared about. Yeah, and I think, you know, one of the main talking points has been, well, Howie Roseman has never drafted the corner, but it wasn't because he wasn't interested.

It just didn't happen in those specific years. The stars did not align. Well, the stars absolutely aligned the night. He had a choice of two of them who were considered to go, that people thought they were going to go way ahead of this mark. And he sticks and he picks, and he takes Quinnian. Mitchell, who runs a 4-3-340. The only man faster than him is Zach Berman, breaking the news. Love that.

Or fetching your car as a ballet. That's true. True. Yeah. What do you think of the pick? I mean, I... Let's settle in. You get the best corner in the draft, or you get the top corner in the draft based on your

evaluation. Yeah, yeah. Based on your evaluation. You sat at 22. You played it right, patiently. You played it right, patiently. and you got the player who you thought was the best player at the position. Yeah, I was not as high on Fetano.

I didn't like the idea of trading second round for him. I thought MIMS would be a good outcome at 22. Based on the players who were there, I like taking the corner. I like taking the corner certainly over, over the, over, Tyler Guyton. I really like having both second round picks tomorrow. That jumps out to me. If you told me they could get Quinn and Mitchell at 22 before the draft, I would have said that's a really good outcome.

So I would call this a really good outcome. I still think the biggest hole on the Eagles roster is right guard. I still think they can figure out ways to do that. Maybe it's not a guard tackle type. As people have told me throughout this draft process and they're right, this isn't, and as I'm sitting in the chair I'm in now, Professor Selman said, this isn't the only year you'll be able to draft the tackle, right? This was a good year.

They'll be able to get Lane Johnson's replacement at some point here. To get, for the first time since 2002, to draft a, a cornerback. And like I said, 433, that's serious speed. I don't want to overstate a 40 time, but when the combine testing compliments and supports what you saw on film,

I remember talking to Bo in those senior bowl shows, and Boe was really impressed with Quinn and Mitchell there. So, I get the only thing I said, and Bo and I talked about this when he was in Mobile or Georgia just got back. The Eagles typically go with big school guys. right? Carson Wentz was the only time they haven't gone with the like major conference player under

under Howie Roseman. But he did play against, he played against Ohio State, held his own against Marvin Harrison Jr., right? So he played well at the senior bowl. But I think the bottom line is this. Like I started this soliloquy with you got the guy you rated as the top cornerback in the draft at 22. That's a good. for the Eagles. So, so gut feel, what do you guys think this might mean for tomorrow? Because Bo has been pretty adamant that, you know, the tackles, the league, they scout that position well. Yeah. And if you go with cornerback in the first round, Zach, you had in your last mock draft, you had Max Melton as one of their picks. They probably don't need another cornerback tomorrow,

though, maybe slot. I don't know. Yeah, no, yeah, no, I would think tomorrow, oh, I think wide receivers definitely play tomorrow. I don't think they need to force a tackle. Yeah, exactly. I agree. I think they're going to add volume on the offensive line throughout this draft, at least two guys over the course of the weekend. But, yeah, I don't think they need to force a tackle. Just to talk about the dings on the profile for Quinnian Mitchell, you want to go?

If that's okay, yeah. Go ahead. And depending on the time, I could potentially zoom in. Yeah. Yeah, and then when they trade up for Tyler Guyton at the back of the first round, we'll still talk about it with that. Okay, before you go, Zach, we have a super chat. that you need to hear from Pavan. Z-Burm is the goat newsbreaker.

We always knew. Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach. He lives for this moment. Before you leave, Zach, we got to celebrate. You broke the news. You broke the story. Let's go. Stop, stop, stop, stop.

This is why you do it. No, this is not about. Come on. Stop. Stop. It's about you. No, this is definitely, definitely, it's not about me. This is about Quinnian.

This is about the best show and providing the best coverage. And I'm trying to provide the best coverage. chair at PHLY. All right. Take it off. I'm sorry, take off. Sorry. Zach is going to go to the Novcare complex and be there for the explanation.

And we're going to have a lot on all p.l.Y.com. Please be a diehard. We'll have the grades are, the grade I do is going to be behind the die hard. Hey, Zach, do us a favor. At the press conference, take a video. Ah, yes. Use your phone to take a video so we can use it on the show. Julia, what's better, horizontal or vertical?

Horizontal. Okay. Thank you. And then if we're still live after it's over, call in. Absolutely. Okay. Thank you very much. Everybody.

A round of applause for Zach Berman. What a nice. People have screenshot in their timelines. It's proof that he was the first. And that's, I mean, that's after he broke it on the show. The show was first. The show came before the tweet. Man, what a moment.

What a moment. This is why we do it. You know what? This is why we do it. That's fantastic. Zach, I'm so happy for you. I'm proud of you. Zach Berman, no matter what.

I believed in you, baby. All right. Now, if I can take us down a little bit and be a little bit of a Donovan Downer, just to talk about the dings in the Quinion Mitchell profile, he will be 23 in July. I'm looking at the list here of the 46 first-time pro or first team, sorry, initial pro bowlers or first-team all pros over the past 12 years, 46 of them. how many of them were 23 or older when they entered the league. Of the 22 first round picks, there was Devin Witherspoon last year, so that's an early, a recent one. There was Xavier Rhodes, and there was Byron Jones. So that's three of 23.

Not great. In the second round, Zavian Howard and Janoris Jenkins, James Bradbury, Tim Jenkins, Casey Hayward. So in the second round, it's a little bit more likely. And then after that, there are a few late guys like Richard Sherman and Duran Bland on day three. Also, guys who were from smaller schools. The Power 5 percentage is fairly high, especially early on. Now, Sauce Gardner was from the American Conference, so not one of the Power 5 schools. Of the first round guys, it's just him and Byron Jones, who was in the then Big East at the time.

So you're talking about a guy who is older and from a smaller school. In the first round, Byron Jones is the only precedent for that. Beyond that, you're talking about like Janoris Jenkins and James Bradbury. So it's funny, we had the Terry and Arnold or the Kool-Aid McKinstree James Bradbury comp. Quinny Mitchell is a guy who sort of tracks profile-wise. It's not a great bet on those merits, but you're trusting your scouts, you're trust in your eyes, you're trusting your coaches and you're trusting what you saw at the Senior Bowl. How do you think he fits into what Fangio has done kind of throughout his career in terms of what he's looking for his corners?

I mean, he is a in college, he was his own specialist, right? That was the knock on him coming into the Senior Bowl. And so Fangio is playing primarily zone, so that seems like a fine fit. Good tackler is the book on Quinnia Mitchell, so that would seem to fit. so that would seem to fit as well. I'm not sure if there's much inside outside versatility. I'm sure you's certainly athletic enough to do it. But I think that, like, the reason for getting a really good cornerback prospect

was not only the short term, but, like, the Dariuslay cliff is coming soon. Like, it's not just who's going to start opposite him. It's who's going to replace him eventually. And that's why you need a player of this caliber. And I think that's part of the reason why he is, why they're, why they're going to. would take that position. And I think that Vic Fangio is not taking him, is not allowing Howie Roseman to take him if he doesn't think that he's going to be ready to step in from day one and a good fit for the

scheme. Yeah, and I think the way you just put it, right, because really the Eagles don't know what, they did not know what they were going to get from their other quarterback, cornerback outside of Slay. Like, I hope Kili Ringo is good and he showed some good stuff at the end of the year. But that wasn't a guarantee. So I think you could probably put it in the perspective of like they're probably getting ahead of an issue here. It's like you said, Darius Lai, I would love maybe one more good year from him.

But honestly, seeing James Bradbury over the past year goes to show. Like when a corner drops off, it's usually really fast. It's usually pretty ugly when that happens. I hope Sleigh has a little more time. So, yeah, getting somebody with this kind of this resume, I like that. I have a more important question, though, though. Okay. What route do you think ZB is going to take to the Novacare complex?

Well, he was worried about, I mean, because the Wells Fargo Center traffic, it's working against him. Oh, yeah. Right. But he was worried that, like, he might get caught up in something there. It seems like there's enough time that's lapsed now that he's not going to be too quite. I mean, I know that he's taking 95. He's going to 95. I think he's going to be in okay shape.

I think he'll be okay, too. I also think that they're not going to go right to the podium because there's a chance that they could move up. If there's a guy who's standing out, they might be making a move because 50-53 does get you up there. I love the idea of ZB Tokyo drifting on the Broad Street and just flooring it down, you know, just running red lights, got to get to the Howie Press Conference after it's happening. Yeah, man, I'm really happy. Like, I know I probably would have preferred Terry and Arnold of the two, but just to get somebody. Quinn Mitchell, I really didn't think it was a possibility, man. I just had seen enough mock drafts where I was like, oh, yeah, he's going 12, you know, he's going 14, he's going 10.

I'm very happy with this and kind of how the draft board went. And I would just say, I would just say, I'd like to thank the Atlanta Falcons for drafting Michael Panics. And who did Nick's go to? Yeah, in Denver Broncos. Did you see the video, by the way, of Terry Fontno explaining to Arthur Blank? Did you see this? Do you think Arthur Blank knew that was coming? He seems surprised.

You would hope he wouldn't be surprised about that. I don't know. It's just a hilarious night with the Atlanta Falcons. And then, yeah, and then the Broncos take Bo Nix because he likes throwing short, and they think that makes him Drew Brees, you know. Fantastic. Yeah, it's great stuff.

All right, I'm going to just, I'm just going to ape Dan Brugler here. I'm just going to read you the full Quineon Mitchell-Scotton report from The Beast, which you can get if you subscribe to the Athletic. Shout out to Dan Bruegler, leaning heavily on. on him for information. Give you the full detail here. Let's get to know Quinean Mitchell. Quinion Mitchell, the third oldest of six children, two boys, four girls, was born and

raised in Williston, a small town, population of less than 3,000, about 20 miles south of Gainesville. He grew up very close with his mother, Mashana Solomon, but primarily lived with his grandmother, Maryland Johnson until he was age nine. Mitchell started playing sports at age six and quickly developed a passion for football throughout Pee Wee and youth leagues. He attended Williston High School, where he was a four-year letterman and played both ways, cornerback and slotback.

As a sophomore, he hit a six-inch growth spurt and became a starter, posting 40 tackles, two interceptions, and one forced fumble. As a junior, he earned second team All-State with 29. tackles, 15 passes defensed, three interceptions, one return for a touchdown, and one force fumble as Williston advanced to the 1A state playoffs for the first time in almost a decade. For his senior season in 2018, Mitchell battled through an ankle injury and finished with 16 tackles and three interceptions, earning an invite to the 2018 Central Florida All-Star Classic. He recorded a combined 1,159 rushing yards and 297 receiving yards for his career,

adding 11 rushing touchdowns as a senior and a kick return touchdown as a junior. Mitchell also lettered in basketball and track at Williston, setting the school record in the 100 meters at 10.99 seconds. Sprinter speed. A three-star recruit, Mitchell, was the number 159 cornerback in the 2019 recruiting class and the number 253 recruit in Florida. Prior to his junior season, the Toledo coaching staff discovered him

at a recruiting camp and offered a scholarship. Mitchell also received offers from Florida Atlantic, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, South Alabama, and South Florida. He committed to Toledo. Programs entered the picture, including an offer from Illinois that made Mitchell think twice about his options.

In the end, he stayed loyal to head coach Jason Candle and signed with the Rockets. because of his grades, Mitchell was forced to Grasher during the 2019 season and sit out a semester before he was able to enroll in January 2020. What good times those were January 2020. Technically, he was a member of Toledo's 2020 recruiting class. He graduated with his degree in communications and media studies.

Sack's going to love that in December, 2003. Mitchell accepted his invitation to the 2024 Senior Bowl. Now, played in four. Four years, was a gray shirt that first year, started for three years, 40 total starts. Five interceptions his junior year, one his senior year. Let's get to the strengths, the weaknesses, and the summary. Strengths, composed, fluid athlete with solid size and above average speed, with a 23.58 mile per hour speed in practice.

Balanced in his turn and run to stay on the same plane vertically. Flashes a secondary burst when the ball is in the air. Outstanding route recognition and attention. to locate and play the football. An NFL scout says, from now on, I'm calling him right on Q. Get it? It's pretty good.

Right on Q. Right on Q. Right on Q. Right on Q. I'm stuck. I'm stuck on Q. I love Q. Will Q marry me?

Elite ball production, with half of his past breakups coming downfield and the other half from his read-and-drive conviction downhill, had a four interception game to return for touchdowns against Northern Illinois in 2022, becoming the only FBS player with four interceptions and two pick sixes in the same game since

at least 2000, didn't commit a penalty in 2023 and drew only one pass interference flag in 2022. Didn't play a ton of press but showed credible patience when he did, alert as a run defender, and mistackles were rare on his senior film. Stronger than he looks and had a 550-pound

squat at Toledo. Productive special team's resume with 4444 career snaps and played on both punt return and punt coverage units. Reserved by nature and described as humble and reliable by his teammates, but he asked the staff to coach him hard, admirable toughness, and will play through minor injuries, didn't miss a game the last three seasons. Weaknesses. Modest build and average play strength.

Played mostly off man in zone and would often give up too much of a cushion at the sticks. We'll turn his hips prematurely at times, protecting against vertical shots, but conceding targets on stop and comebacks. Needs to be more violent and forceful with his punch to shed perimeter blocks. Faced several talented opponents, allowed an eight-yard touchdown to Marvin Harrison Jr. On the 2002 Ohio State tape, but didn't go up against a gauntlet of high-level receivers in the Mac.

Outside corner in college with minimal experience lining up inside, only 4.7% of his defensive snaps in the slot. Summary, a three-year starter at Toledo, Mitchell was a perimeter cornerback and defensive coordinator Vince Caras's zone-heavy scheme. Only the second player in Rocket's history to earn All-America honors in back-to-back seasons, he departed as the most productive defensive back in Toledo history, having set school records for passes defended in a season at 25 and career at 52. Often asked to play on an island in off-man or zone,

Mitchell has the athletic talent to mirror all over the field and always appears under control because of his play recognition and composure and coverage. With his awareness and feel for timing, his ball skills are deserving of the elite adjective, responsible for 43 passes, defended, and six interceptions over the past 27 games. Overall, Mitchell is a balanced, size, speed athlete who stays in phase up and down the field, doesn't panic and makes plays on the football at a high rate. His tape and traits show an NFL ready starter with a bright future. Grade first round, number 11 overall.

Steel. That all sounds good to me. I love the loyalty. I love that he stuck with the small school. Apparently on the broadcast, Nick Sabin said that he was the number one guy in the transfer portal that they tried to get at Alabama last year. Nick Saban, very good with defensive backs too. Obviously, he has two guys who could be first round picks who were defensive backs, but he never went into the portal. It's not one of these, you know. What do you make of that? You feel like that's not enough of a go-get-em attitude? No, I think he's...

A little peek at the Eagles draft room on the NFL network just now. Sure. Is Donahoe in there anymore? No, I'm just kidding. Yeah, it's just a... I always wearing like one of those practice boxing head things. No, I like that. That's loyal to me, you know?

The Toledo Rockets, they needed him. And he's not going to chase that SEC NIL money, which I'm sure. You know, he could have done a lot of ads for some Tuscaloosa card dealerships. He said, no, I want to be the big man on campus in Ohio. No, that all sounds really good, man. The tightweight speed, all that stuff. I'm very excited about this. Is there anything else?

Oh, there was a trade, too. Tarian Arnold is going to Detroit. Oh. They traded with Dallas. Okay, so Jacksonville at 23 takes Brian Thomas. There goes my bold prediction of the Jags not taking a receiver. And then the Lions trade up for Terry and Arnold. I don't like what those lions are doing.

They're building up there. Listen, like, watching Quinny Mitchell at the Senior Bowl, I thought he was the best player on the field. There's a play he made. I believe it was in team drills. It was like a deep pass downfield. and he goes up and makes the interception and you saw that he has these unbelievable ball skills.

But then he turns on the jets and is like in this practice setting when you know, you'd be fine to just get the interception. Like he's trying to return it for a score and everybody's blocking for him. And you saw his speed on display there too. And he's like coming right towards me and you're like, okay, this is a guy.

The only reason that I am not like jumping for applause and throw how we a parade. It is like it's the age. It's the level of competition. I'm a little bit skeptical of, like, if they're going to really sell, well, you know, Mountain Union, we know this guy. Like, we've got the connection with that coaching staff. We know what he's about.

That sounds like a Zach Berman teacher to me. It's a little too cute. Like, it's a little too convenient for, like, just my skepticism. but even if Terry and Arnold turns out to be a better player, I think they played this well tonight, being patient sitting at 22 and getting who they had graded as the top corner on their board. Yeah, no, 100%. And, you know, yeah, they don't usually stick and pick,

but it's, you know, I just watch a Sixers game where, you know, during the COVID year, Tyrese maxi fell to them, a guy that they had no idea was going to fall to them, and they just stayed put, took the guy that fell. I'm a huge fan of that. Honestly, the story of the night for me is Zach breaking it. I know that he doesn't want that to do the story. That's the story of the night.

When he said it's not about him. He sounded like an athlete. Like, I thought he was about to be like all praising glory to God after something like that. He was just a cliche. But he said earlier than night, he said, I think I might get this one. He said it five minutes before. He said it, like, I don't know about this. I don't know.

I wish you would have leaned into it a little more. Anyway, amazing job by Zach. Apparently, I saw the chat that they confirmed what I said that... He had it first? That the timestamps are saying... Yeah, but, I mean, he had it first on Twitter, but that was like 30 seconds after he said it on the show. So do you think when he broke it on the show,

that was him being selfless or that he could not contain himself with the news? Well, I mean, first of all, his loyalty has to be to the show. Second, it's got to say it while he's typing it out. Yeah. You guys had an argument like four minutes before about that. Not an argument, but you, and by the way, you were correct in reminding him what comes first. And that is all the sickos in the chat. Come on.

Yeah, we got the people watching. Yeah, absolutely. But just watching that split second, you know, we're just having a conversation and just him go, the Eagles are selecting Quinion Mitchell. Yeah, it's great. Yeah. What a moment. Electric stuff. So do you remember the moment from the combine when how we had the,

that weird comment about. Bucks taking Graham Barton, by the way. That's a very bucks. Lucky them. They got a bunch of white guys on that offensive line, besides Tristan Wirth. Yeah. So. The moment, though, when Howie was like, you know, Vic Fangio, he thinks he's going to have control over this.

Yeah. And I don't know. It is interesting that Vic Fangio shows up and, hey, it could just be circumstance. It could just be, hey, that the board. fell this way, but he does get somebody who, I imagine, he's pretty all in on, just somebody who seems like he fits the profile of playing for him and really fills the major hole on defense when we have pointed out that in the future, there probably is going to be a whole an offensive tackle, and that's something the Eagles have done, get ahead of it, but instead

they just fill the packers are taking Jordan Morgan. Oh, one of my, listen, congratulations to Jordan Morgan, happy for the guy. Relative to consensus, one of my least favorite players in the draft. I do not get it with him as a first-round pick, but Michael Parsons. I don't know how Howie and them got so lucky. Micah Parsons is going to play for the Eagles. He so thirstily wants to be an eagle.

It's great. Yeah. It's wild. All right. How do you feel about the Sixers on Sunday? We'll see. They made a million threes tonight. And I don't know. Well, I mean, I think in general,

once they got the first game, I feel much more confident about Sunday. I don't like the short turnaround for Embed. But he was moving pretty good. He was jumping around. He was jumping. How did it look tonight? Did he score 50?

He scored 50. Wow. Scored 50 with like kind of wild. Unable to close his eye, his knees all messed up. Yeah, he's a good basketball player. He was jumping around like Quinion Mitchell in the second half. So no, it was good. The, yeah, I'm just thinking about that.

traffic though for ZB you know I should I feel like I should have I should what's that what's the news yeah I mean what's crazy what the Jim Ross that's crazy but the Jim Ross that's crazy but I mean God the footage of it is is pretty crazy oh finally the Quinnian Mitchell pitch era has been solid fit what do you like to sue it was better was was was my sharper from what I saw on social media, but a good fit for Queenie Mitchell. Well, he doesn't have that money yet, though.

He didn't take that money. He didn't take the NIL at Alabama. Now, here's a thing that I'm going to tell you what I think we might hear about over the course of the weekend. When Howie and Nick gave their pre-draft press conference, when they were walking off, I just quickly to the side

ask Nick if anybody beat him in horse. Or, you know, what he does, they've got the the basketball hoop in the auditorium. And, you know, as a test of guys' competitiveness, his way of getting to know them, he likes to play horse with them. And he's like, oh, yeah. He's like, there's a story there.

And Howie was like, oh, yeah, like, hopefully we get to tell that story. Like, something, like, interesting happened. And for some reason, I just, this morning, I had a feeling that that was Quinn and Mitchell because of the connection, like, to the, to the Mount Union guy. I wonder if we're going to hear about that today. I think we will. And then Zach will be the first person. That's just a guess.

Yeah. To enjoy that too. Yeah. How much do you care? Because you mentioned the age, and that's something you've talked about a lot. You also mentioned the lack of competition, too. And I don't want to say lack of competition, right? They, you know, those guys get paid to in college now in the Mac.

But just in general, like, does that scare you at all? The idea that, you know, he's going up against Northern Illinois. and he's going up against Akron and he's going up against Ball State, those types. A little bit. Now, this is part of, like, how he's saying that he aced all the parts of the process. He did go to the Senior Bowl and looked like the best player there.

So he answered some of those questions. And what is Senior Bowl? Is that, like, is he getting one-on-one reps and then he's also in team drills as well? Yes, yes. And, you know, when we did the, sheel and I went to Princeton to watch film with Coach Flynn.

We watched the Quinia Mitchell film from Toledo, and it was good, but it wasn't like knock your clothes off. But then when you watch the Senior Bowl stuff and he's asked to do more, and he's going up against, you know, like the Ladd-McConkies and Ricky Pearsall's. These guys are supposed to go in the second and third rounds, and he's up on them in Pressman

and shadowing them with every movement, like those were dominant reps. And you're saying that the film in college wasn't as good just because he wasn't asked to do quite as much. Yeah, exactly. That makes sense. And obviously, like, if you are in the Mac and you've got a guy who might go in the first round on one side of the ball, like, how often are you going to throw at him? No, no.

Right? Like, I'm just like, on the quarterback, I'm looking at the other side of the field. I'm saying, I'm going to him. Like, we'll put three guys on the other side of the field. We'll just put one guy as a decoy on the other side. The ball is going to the other side of Quinnian Mitchell. So, yeah, I mean, like, look, the stats are, you know, not giving up a touchdown in any reps in college. that's, you think once in a while he would get beat, that's pretty good as well.

So do you think, so a quarterback, is that something we're going to know right away? Like, is that something you're going to be watching in training camp? And you're just going to be like, he's either got it or he doesn't. I actually think the corner, like, more than most positions is kind of like that. Like, you know, guys take development, but like elite guys, I think you do sort of see it often, like right away. because part of it is because the nature of a position is it's like so athletically one-on-one that I feel like you do sort of see it early. Yeah.

I'm trying to think. Like I guess Slay would be the answer here. I'm trying to think of like the last crazy good athlete the Eagles have had at the cornerback position. Dominique Rogers Cromarty comes to mind. Yeah. I mean even like Asante won with his brain and gambling a little bit, but also just being really smart. Yes. some of the other guys, I mean, again, because they have gotten by with, like you and Zach said yesterday,

like trading a third round pick for Ronald Darby and, you know, getting James Bradbury after the draft last year for a very reasonable price, like those type of things. So this is going to be different, like actually having a premium pick and kind of paying attention is like, you know, can they develop this guy? Yeah. We're going to hear a lot of references to Jason Kendall. tonight, the Toledo head coach who was with Nick Siriani. I'm going to pull a Zach reading about Connor Barwin an eight mile, and I pulled up my Nick Siriani Mount Union oral history, because I talked to Jason Kendall for that story. So these are the quotes from Jason Candle about Nick Siriani.

They will tell you about their relationship. Jason Candle, a wide receiver at Mount Union from 2000 to 2001. He says about Siriani. He was a 6-2 guy that could run good routes and worked really. hard at perfecting his craft. I think that's what a lot of his teammates really appreciated the most about him, was that he worked really hard. You know, he was a fun guy to be around, but when things got serious, there was work to be done. He was always a guy that you could count on steering extra on the field to do more, that kind of thing. Okay, not a great quote. By the way, Zach has texted, he is there, so he has made it. Wow. Good stuff. Nice work by Zach. Classic leadfoot, Zach. Next thing. My last year as a player, we were the two receivers and midway through the year. He was injured and forced to miss the entire season. I think probably a guy that had worked really hard to get into that point in time when he was a contributor and doing a really good job to that point of the season.

To get hurt and miss that year was a blow for our team and certainly to him. But it was really cool to see him go through that injury and really persevere through it and come back and have a great finish to his career. Again, not lighten the world on fire, but that's okay. Now, their buddy, Zach Bruni refers to Jason Kendall and he and Nick and some of the other guys, they stayed over, like, at the, on campus over the summer, and what they did was they played a lot of basketball. And they would play against random guys who were in college.

And now Candle says, I vividly remember some of those. Those were epic battles. Our thing was always try to compete in everything, whether that was playing video games or on the basketball court or doing whatever. So that's where you're going to hear that compete, compete, compete connectivity. Now, I had heard about those basketball games that Nick was not much of a defensive player. He was all about offense. And Candle says, I think you have a good source on that.

So that's the book on Nick as a basketball player. All offense. Kind of respect that. I mean, I could see him talking a lot of trash on those pickup games as well. Now, that's exactly great. What a segue, because now I ask him about the talking trash. And Candle says, I think the mental piece of it trying to gain an individual. gain an advantage was definitely a part of his game.

Now, I don't know if anybody ever listened to him, but he was certainly talking. I'll put it that way. I miss when the Eagles had a basketball team where they would play in the offseason, and they would like sell out a high school gym and play against, I don't know, like a bunch of cops or something like that. Yeah, but. I mean, I don't know. We need to gas up the... Huh?

That's all right. Well, I don't know who they would play against. They'd play against somebody. Candle says he's getting so many calls about the Ziriani thing. He needs to be his publicist. And then the big overarching thing is as a young man, I think you're always looking for success in doing whatever it is that you love. Football was what we loved.

For all of us, an NFL career wasn't an option. It was, can you stay connected to the game in any way possible? And this was a way for us to do so. I think you're never ready to be done playing football. No matter how old you are when the game's taken from you, you could play in the NFL for 10 years or be done after high school. You're never ready to be done. I don't think any of us were ready to be done,

so we were able to get a start in coaching, and here we are 20 years later and still going. They've had the inn. There it is. Cardinals are taking Darius Robinson from Missouri, the versatile inside-outside, edge rusher, who offers a little bit of inside-pass rush presence. Jonathan Gannon gets himself a,

I guess like I'm not quite a Josh sweat. I'm trying to think of a not really a guy from that Super Bowl defense who fits the Darius Robertson profile. So we talked about the idea of them potentially trading for Tyler Guyton back into the first round. Yeah.

He is not gone yet. Who do you think would be like the trade partner for them? San Francisco maybe? I was reading some stuff that they didn't really like what they were seeing at 31. Do you have a specific team? I mean, they've done work with all these teams in the past. Baltimore would be interesting because Baltimore is who did the reverse with them in the Lamar Jackson, Dallas got our trade.

And they don't have a ton of picks. They just got basically their own picks. Kansas City is at 32, and they also have their own picks. And San Francisco is at 31, and they also have their own picks. So there's nobody who's, like, desperate for volume. It would have to be a, now the trade charts, you look at the, the Rich Hill trade chart, which is the one that is a little bit more accurate. The Eagles with 50 and 53, that adds up to one, let's see, what am I looking at? I'm losing myself a little bit here, 115 and 106, so 221.

That gets you to about 26 or 27 on the board, so anywhere from here on out, they could move up and maybe get a little bit of something back if they wanted to. I sort of think, I mean, I think trading up if you want to tackle, if that's something they really care about, is interesting. But I kind of think that, like, getting two guys in the second round might be nice. Do you have any position that would be maybe the most ideal? Is it receiver? Well, that's why I sort of think that if they want a tackle, if they really want a tackle, then go get Tyler Guyton.

Because I don't think that they need to force a tackle. It's like you said in the, what's the, Blake Fisher? Is that his name? Yeah. In your worst case, mocked him. Yeah, exactly. Like a good player, but not worth it. Like, that's just not where, like, really good tackles tend to come from.

And so if you're not going to get one in the first, I'm kind of okay with just letting it go. You don't need to solve that right away. Get a guy on day two or day three who can play anywhere on the line and you'll be okay, you know, like a Cooper Bibi or a Dominic puny. but I think in the second round I think I think Chetavian Sanders could be a possibility if they want to add a weapon in the passing game

I think offensive line is on the board like if they're going to take an edge I think the second round is the time to do it if not I don't think they need to worry about it and then on day two like if you really care about helping that linebacker situation you're not comfortable with

Nicobi Dean and Devin White then day two is the time to do it with who? Edron Cooper, Peyton Wilson. Colson, who may or may not be on the board. Actually, if you guys want to flash up the pre-draft visits, we can go through some of the options because you can tell from what they did

that they sort of went through the day one, day two, tackle corner pairings, and there are a bunch of guys there who are day two possibilities. So let's look at these guys. Had coroner, Kailen Carson from Wake Forest, very well-educated. is a possibility. Andrew Phillips from Kentucky is a possibility.

Roger Rosengarten from Washington, the offensive tackle is a possibility. Blake Fisher, Cooper Beebe, who we talked about. Those guys are both possibilities, as well as Brandon Coleman from TCU. On the Edge, you've got Marshawn Neeland, who hasn't gone off the board yet, Adisa Isaac from Penn State. And then at linebacker, Edgerman Cooper, and Trevin Wallace from Kentucky, our possibilities. In addition to, I think, Junior Colson, is a guy who they would like,

sort of fits the Nikobe Dean profile as the, like, key on the championship defense with better height weight speed specifications. Yeah, I definitely want a receiver, despite the fact that they did get A.J. Brown Day. What do you, was that a case of the, of the numbers being reported incorrectly? Do you think, I think it was 3.95 or something that I see that? I mean, it usually is. Yeah. Right.

Because I remember for the Devante one, you guys explained that. Now, that's actually like five years because they're including money. Right, they're just reporting the new money. Yeah. But, I mean, he is getting paid more than Devante, which I guess he should be, but it's kind of interesting just in terms of the personality dynamics. The contract in Detroit for, I'm blacking on his name, what's the Detroit? Amon Raus, St. Brown.

Yes. When I saw that contract, my first thought was, oh, man, this Devante contract is going to look like a job. in a couple of years. And it might look like a joke to the point where he's going to get rightfully a little annoyed about it soon. I just think that market for receivers is going to absolutely explode.

I think you're right. And it's part of why the Ayuk stuff is going on, and you imagine maybe they can't get something going. And this is an interesting one. The Chiefs trade it up and talk about a guy for Patrick Mahomes. They have tried to do this before in replacing Tyree Kill, but they went out and got Xavier worthy.

the Texas wide receiver who ran a dazzling 4-2-something at the combine 511-165. I feel like I was confused throughout the process of why some people had A.D. Mitchell over Xavier Worthy. I know that he's better height-weed speed, but like Xavier Worthy, they were on the same team and he was way more productive and he's got this unbelievable speed. The chiefs have missed on these guys before, but that sure seems like a fun fit. I mean, especially with, it's so crazy that they won the Super Bowl, but for the first three months of last year, it was just like, oh, man, these receivers stink. Like, they're actually losing them games. It's crazy.

Yeah. It's kind of funny. They traded there with Buffalo, and Buffalo, who you thought maybe needed a receiver help as well. They're giving the chiefs a guy. They must not think very highly of Mr. Worthy. Probably don't. Do we think there's a chance they trade back in? I guess I should ask Zach if we know if they're coming to the podium,

if they're coming to the podium or not. I don't know. In your experience, is how he usually... Usually waits until the end of the first round. And then once the final pick is made, then I'll go do it. Yes. It's tough.

I mean, some of those, some of those like day three just waiting out in the auditorium, I mean, again, being a reporter is not the hardest thing in the world, but those are some long days. I remember fun days, but yeah. This is why we do it, as Zach would say.

Yeah, exactly. I remember the one time we waited for Wendell Smallwood to drive up from Wilmington. That added a few minutes, some people. Okay, Zach says it will be the end of the round. So what that means is that when the last pick of the round is made, Rich and I will finish up here.

Zach is going to be at the press conference. You can watch that, and he might take some video. Maybe we'll have a separate video go up later. And then tomorrow we're going to be back at, I think, seven for running through this whole shebang, all over again. Very exciting. A little day two tomorrow, Bo.

Day two. I love a day two. Day two is when the real, the real... Is that your favorite day of three? Is that your favorite day? I mean, I love a day three. You love day three.

I mean, day three is going to get wacky. I mean, especially just all the, all the trading, all the small school guys that could be a camp crush. Fun names, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, camp crush. Absolutely.

So the Cowboys are on the clock. As an Eagles, guy, what would you not like to see the Cowboys add? Probably, I mean, what's their offensive line situation now with Tyrant Smith leaving? I mean, they have him penciled in as the left tackle. I think they need a center. That's right. And maybe another offensive lineman.

I don't know. What do you think? I mean, I'm just trying to look at who else is available. I mean, you know. The stuff coming out of Dallas this offseason. Oh, there we go. There's the big board. Cooper DeGine.

Tyler Guyton, Nate Wiggins, Kool-Aid McKinstree, Kingsley, Suamata-Ea, A.D. Mitchell, Johnny Newton, Jackson, Powers, Johnson, and Troy Franklin, the best players available per the all-P-H-L-L-Y Big Board. It's a good-looking Big Board. Brinah, you're crushing it. You could see Guyton, maybe going there. Yeah, yeah, you could see Guyton. You could see Wiggins. Yeah. Cool-Aid sort of seems like their type of guy. Maybe Johnny Newton. That would be an interesting one. to help free up Micah Parsons as a penetrating defensive tackle.

I like a Johnny Newton. Could Johnny Newton take over for Mazzie Smith as the Tush Push stopper? Mazzay Smith. Stinko de Mayo. What do you make in the Dallas offseason, by the way? I mean, it's just depressing. Yeah, it's just, it's been like silent. Yeah.

And then it's like. Their big thing is they might bring back Zique. I know, which would be, I'm rooting for that personally. Yeah, well, and as the joke has been made, they do need a center. They do. I actually, now that you said that, I want that to be his last moment as a couple of it. I mean, it's the best. It is the best.

It's one of the funniest things that's ever happened. I mean, I think we talked about it the day or the Monday after the wild card weekend. That was like the three best hours of football I've ever seen. Jordan Love marching up and down the field on them, Dak throwing pick six. Those were two separate games. Two separate embarrassing ends. It was unbelievable.

Because last year, because Zeke was two years ago. Yeah. No, no, I know. But just this Packers game was just, and you knew it right away, that Dallas, they got the number two seed, they come back and they overtake the Eagles at the end, and it took about 20 minutes ago. Oh, yeah, yeah, they're done.

So the Cowboys are taking Tyler Guyton. Yeah. There you go. Staying in that area of the country, you know. Now maybe this would be the rejoinder to all my Tyler Smith comps if they're going to just let Tyler Guyton play left tackle. And I think that's not what they're going to do and keep Tyler Smith at guard. But that would be funny.

I think this is a pick for them that makes sense. I like Tyler Guyton more than some people. I think he's going to be a good player. but there you go and that's the end of kind of the first round tackle crop is there a big drop-off after this there's a bit of a drop-off now I think sue amataia is

worthy of the back end of the first round and he could still go young and versatile and projectable but after that you know you're talking about Patrick Paul Roger Rosengarde and Brandon Coleman

Blake Fischer those guys are not necessarily round one worthy I think is it Patrick Paul or is it Paul Patrick? It's Patrick Paul. I believe that's right. Quinnian Mitchell, man. Quinnian Mitchell from last year. I think it's fun.

I think it's not, you know, they've broken broken trend with the Sequin Barclay signing. They're breaking trend a little bit here with the Quinnian Mitchell pick. More so with the background, I think, than the position. But, I mean,

it's going to be a very interesting just him versus Terry and Arnold thing to follow, I think. Yeah, I hope there wasn't video of Doug E.P. And Trent Balke, really excited, you know, like some. I don't know why they would be in a, I guess it could just be from their draft room instead of over Zoom like that Vikings video. I'll tell you what, though, because the Lions are the team that traded up for him. It was a lot. Yeah, it's the Lions. So, yeah, it goes Mitchell 22, Jaguars, Brian Thomas at 23, Lions 24.

There is going to be video because the lot. the lions love like pounding their chest in the in the draft room for them moving up for Terry and Arnold there you better believe there's going to be a video about that there's going to be like a whole YouTube video on the 25 minutes that led me can't believe he's still there I couldn't believe he's still there either yeah me too all right uh all right four picks to go cowboy or uh no three picks to go with the Cowboys taking Tyler guide and Ravens on the clock at 30 Niners at 31 and then the bill is at 32, just to run through everything that's happened tonight.

Why not? The Bears taking Caleb Williams to start, the commanders taking Jane Daniels, the Patriots taking Drake May, and the Cardinals taking Marvin Harrison, Jr. Any thoughts on those picks, Rich? Yeah, I want to... What's exciting to you?

Well, it's exciting. Jaden Daniels, a little smaller, right? I'm hoping that's the bust of the group. Yeah. There. I'm hoping that he is the... Bryce Young, kind of the, I don't even know who the other smaller guys, Johnny Mansell over the years. Yeah.

I'm hoping that he is that guy. Now, there's the Terry and Arnold fit. Look at that thing. Well, it's also good for him too because he's, he got the Derek Barnett treatment when you get to be introduced in front of your future home fans. That's true. That's true. I mean, that's the guy. What are we doing?

Not taking that guy. Come on. It is like a nice side by side with. with Arnold, who's not trying quite as much with his suit. Yes. Yeah. All right, the Chargers take Joe Alt. The Giants take Malik neighbors.

The Titans take J.C. Latham. The Falcons Wild. Taking Michael Pennix at 8 without even telling Kirk Cousins. Gee, go like Willikers. What is going on? The Bears, Romodunzee, the Vikings, J.J. McCarthy, get their guy. Jets take Olufoshanu. The Broncos flush the pickaway with Bo Nix.

The Raiders, Brock Bowers, the Saints, do something dumb. Talisa Fuwaga, the Colts, Laotu Latu, the Seahawks, Byron Murphy Jr., or Byron Murphy the 2nd, rather. Are you surprised by that, Latu being the first Edger? A little bit, yeah. Yeah, I was surprised, and then Turner goes two picks later to the Vikings at 17. I would, like, that's one where the profile screams to me, Turner over Latu, but But Ballard is not necessarily a profile guy.

Bengals taking Ameris Mims at 18. Jared Verse at 19. Troy Fautano at 20. Chop Robinson at 21. The Eagles taken Quinnian Mitchell at 22. Brian Thomas, Terry and Arnold to the Lions. Packers, Jordan, Bucks, Graham Barton, Cardinals, Darius Robinson, Chief, Savior Worthy, and Dallas Cowboys taking Tyler Guyton.

Should we pull up our bold prediction? How did we do? Probably not very well. That's okay. I mean, we've been on the air for almost four hours. It's okay for the computers to be a little slow. Let's do Zach's first. Tonight is Zach's night.

Zach, oh, six QBs go in the top 20. Bang, all cornerbacks fall to the back half of the first round. Bang, two for two. The Vikings draft Drake may. Nope. At least one team trades back and then trades up. That may have happened. I don't know if it, I don't know if it happened.

And then six offensive linemen go before the 20-second pick, another bang. Nice job by Zach. The night of Zach continues. Bose, not as good. The Saints do something dumb. Bang. Bo Nix goes unpicked. Nope.

Jags do not draft a receiver. Nope. Marsha Neeland to the 49ers. It's not sure why I needed to be quite so specific, but it's still on the board. And then 10 offensive linemen get drafted. That is on the table here. I believe we're at nine. So I think I'll double check that.

We might only be at eight. But that's another possibility of landing. So one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. Yeah, we're at nine. We just need one more offensive linemen. Good start to you for Turkey's to the kingdom. Well, I know. I wasn't going to say it, but this is Zach's nine, you know.

Yeah, good start for turkeys to the kingdom. And although duck duck juice, I believe, Zach had corner. So did anybody take Quinny Mitchell and how you know? I think not. Do you have it up from? I have it up right now, yeah. And nobody took Quinnie Mitchell. Is that right?

Wow, that's, I mean, that's a terrible job. I thought he was going to go early. Yeah, me too. Yeah. Didn't strike us as their kind of guy. Yeah. Well, that's the first time. I think the first round pick has not gone in a while.

Interesting. I think that's probably a good sign. If the first round pick does not get drafted in the... How many rounds was this? Ten rounds? It could be a terrible sign, but yeah. Yeah, ten rounds. I'm going to be positive.

Yeah, because we didn't think he would be available. Yeah, exactly. For this guy, yes. I'd say one thing about being a parent of this age is, like having lived through the 90s, is that when your kids are counting and you're going one, two, three, four, it's impossible to not just jump in. get your booty on the floor. I completely agree.

Got to get up and get down. I mean, how do you not, one, two, three, four, get your booty on the floor. I mean, I think of Zach was still here. He was, after you were showing some skin,

I think he was. I mean, he flashed the skin before he became the man of the night. Maybe that was part of it. Maybe that's what it was. I think that was a sign of things to come. He flashed the skin,

and that led him to break the scoop. It's a one-to-one connection. Let's see. Do you have any other picks here? There's going to be a Quinion Mitchell Zoom first for a reporter. So that is happening early. Zach believes he can tape it so we can play on the show tomorrow. That'd be nice.

All right. Three picks to go. Oh, we got a new pick. What do you know? We got one? Yeah, Baltimore Ravens. Nate Wiggins. Go into the Baltimore Ravens, the slight but speedy.

talented man cover corner Nate Wiggins going to the Baltimore Ravens they love themselves a DB they do not really a Ravens type DB because the book is that he can't yeah not physical but that'll be interesting I mean just look at that picture of him like look at

how thin that waist is wild he's a slender football player yeah you said his tape was really good though really good how was can you describe to what was the pilgrimage to coach Flinds?

The best. Like what's the setup he has going on there? Is he, I don't know, is he kind of, is he have the clicker? Is he like the football guy clicker where he's? Of course he does. Yeah, we're in the wide receiver room. Great room.

Oh, it, at Princeton? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's fantastic. It's, I think, three rows of seats. And he got his setup there. And he's got the, he got the PFF hookup thing.

So it's like he can just go to, you can sort of by all targets or all explosive plays or all these different things and so yeah for the corners you're looking at the targets so you can bang through them quickly a lot of fun yeah that sounds great

yeah it's a lot of fun now somebody in the chat saying that I didn't predict Quinnie Mitchell go to Helsinki I did predict Queenie Mitchell he was definitely part of my final mock draft and so that's a good job by me not as good as Zach

breaking the news, but yeah, I mean, I definitely nailed it. Good to get on the board for once. Congrats, man. I mean, you got bragging rights for a full year. Thank you. That's exactly right. Yeah, that's great. Although, I mean, this is a great ball, don't lie situation where, like, the comeuppance of Zach breaking the scoop is really, really good. I'm happy for him.

Yeah, but, I mean, like, you have your thing where you were the... Yeah, I mean, I'm clearly the better prognosticator. Absolutely, right? But, yeah, he's the newsbreaker. You're the analyst. It's good for us to have our lanes. It's also, too, I mean, he is even more stone cold now after that moment. Like, he is locked in as a newsman at this point.

Stone Cold Newsman. Yeah. I mean, that was so good. He did it. He got it. Picture in Zach breaking the beers over his head. What number would you like to see Quinehan Mitchell where? Well, the numbers are all over.

You know, I'm going to see if it's Quinyon or Quinyon. The numbers are all over the place now. No pronunciation in the Brugler. I was doing that for the Sixers podcast, by the way. I don't know if it's Isaiah Hartenstein or Hardenstein. I really don't. And I find myself. Hartenstein.

Yeah, I could do that, right? You know, I find myself going back and forth every other sentence. Yeah. Tough look for me. It's hard. What number 20? Let's see, well, let's look at the roster. Let's see what's available.

Yeah, I don't know. Somewhere in the 20s. On the board, you got 25. 30, 31. Oof. They might have to cut somebody. They might have to pull a Christian Ellis because, I mean,

Zach McPherson at 27, honestly, might be on the hook there. Josh Job, 28. I guess 30, 31 you could talk yourself into? You go, could you go in the teens? Could you get Quinion Mitchell 9? No, I can't do that. There's not a lot of variation.

What do you think of those numbers? What did he wear in Toledo? What's going to turn that? 27? Yeah, what's going to turn that 433 to a 430? I think it's important. If he's wearing 46, I mean, he's running like a 46. I mean, there's no way they're giving him for it.

No, I know. Oh, okay, he was 27. The number is important. He was 27 on Toledo. He's going to take 27. I'm sorry for Zach McPherson, but that's, that's not going to be his for long. Cooper to Jean. San Francisco 49er.

Oh, now that. Nick Bosa made that pick. Well, he certainly approves. You know that Nick Bosa made that pick. I mean, he's putting together, he's putting together the race war team. Oh, that's right. I forgot it. I forgot about it.

This is, I mean, he got, he finally got his defensive back. He can, wow. Nick Bosa is just beside himself. Beside himself right now. Well, that's important. I mean, you know. He's going to put out the happiest truth social post that's ever been happy. Absolutely.

100%. All right. One more pick to go. San Francisco taking Cooper DeGine. That's interesting. Well, look, if we think the 49ers are going to be good again, could be seeing some Cooper DeGine Devante Smith matchups. Wait a second.

Someone is saying that the reports now are that the Niners are taking Ricky Pearsall, which is also a Nick Bosa pick. So what happened to the Dijin? I'm sorry. Did somebody else take Dijin? No, it's just Ricky Pearson. Oh, is Ricky Pearson. My bad.

Wow. Oh, well. Well, either way, Nick Bosa had his hand on the trigger. You know what, though? Taking Ricky Pirsall. That is a bad thing. My mistake there is worth the fan fiction that you provided for everybody, though. I mean, do you think Bosa's going to demand a trade now?

No, because I took another white guy. Oh, that's right. Now, Ricky Piersol. But it's about the value, though. You want to talk about the buckets? Ricky Piersall is not in a good bucket. That's, I'll give you a reason to, to, disbelieve Ricky Pearsall.

Now, it's interesting they're taking a wide receiver with the speculation that they may have to trade Brandon Ayuk. But guys who were fast but old and unproductive. So guys who stayed in college for a while, never topped 1,000 yards, that is where Ricky Pearsall is from. If you're talking about first and second round picks, four guys have hit, seven guys have not. Now, one of the hits is Debo Samuel, so maybe they see some connectivity there, but that is not a great bucket. And this is a guy who was in college for a while and never topped as I pull it up. He played five seasons.

Now, he got to 965 receiving yards last year, but that was his fifth season. I mean, he played three years at Arizona State and then two years at Florida. like I get talking yourself into it, but that sure sounds like White Van Jefferson to me. Yeah, that's not the type of pick you're looking for there, right? Just the age. Florida has not been good for a while as well. I remember watching Ricky Pearson.

I forget, I think the guy's name is Graham Mertz. He's the quarterback for a... Doesn't sound real. Is that right? I believe you. I'm just saying he's got a weird sound of name. Yeah. Well, I mean, like, look, when Graham Mertz is throwing to you,

it was Graham Mertz. I don't know. 900 yards ain't bad. Yeah, also Ricky Pearsall is 24 in September. I mean, what is all this talk about the 49ers trading IU? Is it just because they're not going to be able to pay both of those guys? I guess. Yeah.

I don't know. Maybe they're all the other wide receivers getting paid. They're getting spooked. I mean, especially considering how much money they have. It's hard to believe that on this night that Ricky Pearsall is the worst pick of the night. But. Should have taken to Jean. Yeah, Dijin's still on the board.

Now, I believe people are saying that this pick has been traded, too. Buffalo has traded out. The Panthers are moving up. Buffalo moving down the board. What do you need that fifth-year option for Carolina? Especially because Carolina does not have a lot of picks. So for them, well, now they're only moving up one, presumably only one spot. They have 33.

So would you say this? Yeah, they get, Mike Garifolo says the bills basically, they get 141 for 200 in order to move back one spot. So who do they need the 50-year option for? Is this a tackle? Is this an offensive lineman to protect Bryce Young? Or is this a receiver for him to throw to? It's a late night for Dave Canales. I mean, watch out.

Watch out late as of Charlotte. This is... It's gonna get ugly. I don't know if the barns are gonna be open late enough. Were you guys talking about Charlotte earlier? We were. Yeah? You like a Charlotte? I don't mind it as much as most people. I like a Charlotte. Yeah, I like a Charlotte.

Do you like it just because... Is that near Winston-Salem? No. You know, very livable, a neighborhood-y. Completely agree. Good, good mix. Like, the downtown Charlotte, nothing to write home about, but lots of good neighborhoods surrounding the downtown.

It just feels like there's neighborhoods that are pretty accessible to the downtown to. Yes. Not a ton of traffic. I could be wrong about that. But it just seems like, yeah. Not like in Charlotte. It's well laid out. No, there's like the, there's also the Charlotte sprawl, which I don't love quite as much.

What do you mean by that? Well, there's like a, you've got like really the close to downtown neighborhoods in Charlotte that are very, that are very nice and got some good personality to them, good restaurants scenes, good food city. but then you get beyond that and there's like the urban office parks that are just a little bit beyond the city like the more suburban part of Charlotte that I could take or leave. What do you think of Atlanta?

I haven't spent enough time in Atlanta but the time that I have spent in Atlanta has been fine. Yeah. I would like to have have a better time in Atlanta than I have had. Atlanta reminds me a little bit of a bigger Charlotte and that there's neighborhoods and around the downtown that are pretty close. I need someone from Atlanta to take me around Atlanta for a weekend.

Do we have any candidates? I don't know. Do you agree with what I said the other day that, yeah, that when you hear the word antihistamines, you think of Welcome to Atlanta? I don't have the... No, I don't. You think you know a guy. There was the remix of Welcome to Atlanta, too, where they, yeah, got Snoop Dog. There's all kinds in this.

Murphy Lee in there, yeah. And then you got the remix of Welcome to Atlanta, too, where they, yeah. And then you got the remix of Welcome to Atlanta, too, where they got Snoop. different cities. Sure. Not the same. Julie, are you with me on that, on the antihistamines? Oh, yeah.

Okay. God, somebody's got my back. All right, what are the Panthers doing to close us out here? It'd be funny if it's, uh, the Carolina Panthers with the 30 second overall pick, have selected the woman at the bar. Super Dave. Oh, man, poor guy. Okay, this appears to be right.

They, yes. They're taking wide receiver, Xavier Leggett from South Carolina. Another reach, as far as I'm concerned. You know, I like a Leggett, but another guy who you would have liked to see a lot more productivity over the course of his college career, five years at South Carolina. and his second best season over the course of that time, 167 yards. And then last year he breaks out with 71 catches for 1255 yards and becomes a real guy.

But it took five years for him to break out. No, thanks. In the first round, that's a pass for me. Rough night for me. for the corners. You know, Cooper and Kool-Aid. Yeah. Very interesting.

Make it tomorrow. DeGine and Kool-Aid both had some medical things. DeGine had the, I forget what it was that kept him out of participating in the combine. Then he had the very late pro-day. And then Kulay McKinstree had the Jones fracture in his foot. So those could be reasons why. I think it was a right leg. It was a broken leg for Cooper DeGine.

So that could be part of it. But a super chat from Eric. I live in Charlotte, and it's not a good food city. I think people just are saying, you know, Carolina barbecue, and they don't add anything else to that where they give it a great food city. I've had barbecue there. I've enjoyed it, but I like barbecue. Yeah, I mean, I like a resident culture.

We've talked about on this show. but I don't think that it is a differentiated food city which is what I would consider it for great food city not just have you had a good meal but that's okay all right let's wrap this bad boy up rich the Eagles the draft gives them a gift with some of the reaches a quarterback ahead of them they were able to sit at 22 and get the best corner on their board

Quinn and Mitchell from Toledo a little bit older a little bit faster A good fit for the Vic Fangio scheme in theory. You're feeling good. I'm feeling good, Beau, and I'm wondering because now there isn't any, like, major need for tomorrow. Maybe they go get the BYU tackle, like you said. Is this the year of stick and pick? Ooh, the year of stick and pick.

I like that. Do we get three rounds of that? Just because there's no real need. I'm just looking at the best available board. Is there somebody that screams trade-up option? I don't think so. I mean, if you really want a receiver, then maybe there's a guy.

It seems like the fact that we just saw those two guys go at the back end of the first round probably tells you there's going to be another read earlier, another run early tomorrow. A guy worth trading up for, if they love Kingsley Sua Mata'iah, that could be a possibility. Is there an intubes?

carrier offensive lineman, do they love Jackson Powers Johnson? I don't think so. Then you're talking about, I mean, Junior Colson, if they really wanted to land a linebacker, that might be the guy who I could see them talking themselves into. But I don't see a huge move up. I think it's close to stick and pick. And it might even be sticking 50 move back from 53.

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It's the position I wanted. I'm going to trust the Eagles here that, you know, he fits their scheme, their philosophy, their whatever better. I'm going to go with them and trust it. They got a cornerback. I'm very happy. Why did you want corner? Because you're getting old there. And Keeley Ringo, you can't count on.

Elijah Rogers, you can't really count on yet. Darius Slice probably on his last year. Bradbury's already cooked. You needed a foundational piece in the secondary. And now all of a sudden you look at the outlook of the secondary, and you go, all right, let's kind of roll. You know, you have Sidney Brown as depth. You got Reed Blankenship and CJGJ as starters.

Then you got Avanti, you know, and CJG can off. set the inevitable injury that's going to come. And then you got a little bit of youth. And maybe if Keely Ringo or Rogers comes through, then all of a sudden you got two young guys. So I just think it was the pick to go with. I really, I'm quite happy. I got what I wanted.

And that's rare in Eaglesland. I'm happy for you. Yeah. Yeah, that's good. You know, I was fully, I said cornerback a bunch, but I fully believed they were always going to go offensive line. Of course. So it was nice.

Yeah, I think everybody does in Eagles lane. and you just kind of came to accept it. So really, really good to see there. What did I miss? The Cowboys traded out at 24. Where did they go? It took Tyler Guyton. Tyler Guyton.

Oh, that's actually a good pick. Yeah, they moved back a little bit, a little extra pick. And, yeah, a solid pick for them. What's the overall feeling from the peeps here? Are we happy? I mean, the biggest thing tonight, you got to know this. The story, the scoop, Quinnian Mitchell, to the Eagles broken by Zach Berman. Oh, did he break it?

Did he really? That's what we're all here for. Zach Berman. Can we get a Zach? Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach. Love that. Love that for Zach. Good stuff.

Yeah, I'm excited. It sounds like Howie Roseman and Nick Siriani are about to meet the media. So a natural point for us to close out this show. So what's the ties here? Nick Siriani and his family in Toledo. No, Nick Siriani played with Jason Kendall. They were both wide receivers together at Mount Union,

began their coaching career together. Very tight. So, you know, they've got as much information as anybody would have on Quine and Mitchell. Now, maybe that means they're pushing their guy up the board, but that's okay. I mean, I heard Phil Savage earlier this week saying, you know, this kid came down and was, you know, there was concerns about the mid-conference stuff. He looked like the best player on the field.

Yeah, and I read one of the descriptions that said, oily hips. And, I mean. Better than late hips, oily. Oh, man. What do you laugh at that, Rich? What do you got? Although, Zach Love or oily hips? Both.

Devon, do you have any take on Quine and Mitchell you'd like to get off your chest? I do. He's happy. Yeah, I do. I mean, the fact that they needed a corner. They definitely needed a corner. We've been talking about this for years that they need to address the cornerback position. I mean, look, even going all the way back to the Super Bowl year, we were still looking at a seventh round pick and Jalen Mills on the outside.

Good point. Their slot corner was supposed to be cut in training camp when you guys were there. and we had no idea where they were going. They put that together later on to get the Darius Slay pick and signed of James Bradbury. But they needed some youth at that position listening to you guys' show and talking to you guys here in the office

so much about is James Bradbury going to be cut because of the fact that he played so terribly all season? I think probably so. Right. And Darius Slay and the things that were going on with him, not knowing about Isaiah Rogers, what was going to happen there, but for them to address it here in the first round

for the first time since Lido Shepard in the first round. Correct. And to get a nice young corner that in the event that they do move on from one of these veterans, you don't know how long Dary Sleigh was almost gone last season. But they brought him back on a new deal also. So to get a young corner to come in here to contribute to this defense, I'm happy with that. I am really happy with that. And plus, any offensive lineman that you guys have talked about,

I know me and Jamie were talking about a little bit, and Rich as well, they always identify offensive linemen. So Landon Dickerson in second round, Cam Jurgens in second round, getting some of these other guys that have been around here for a very long time. In the trenches, I have faith that they can address that,

especially with Jeff Soutland, doing what he does. Nicely done, no chair. Just lean on it. Straight vibes. Rich just slides back to let his teammate step in. And it's all teamwork. Teamwork.

Go get that guard. in the second round, though, tomorrow. Like, go get that guard. Now we're out? Wide receiver? What are we talking? We'll see. You're going to watch tomorrow night.

We're back at 7 o'clock. Yeah, I know, but what's the gut? What do you think? You've got to watch. All right. I mean, I say, I go get a guard and go get a wide receiver and let's party. Yeah, third round. Oh, you don't have the third round.

No. All right, yeah, linebacker and one of those two. Yeah. You swayed me, Chris. You're very persuasive. All right. That'll do it for night one. of the P.H.L.Y. Eagles draft day show. First, we got to thank everybody behind the scenes.

Julia, Brenna, Chris, killing it. Looked incredible out there. Four-hour show. You guys are awesome. Great graphics. Nice work, everybody. Thank you to Rich for stepping in. Thanks to Jamie and Devon for making the little cameo and carrying things on the Sixers front. We will be back tomorrow night at 7 o'clock to take you through all of round two. And I think we're probably going to be doing most of round three. That's my guess. If they trade back, good chance we do the whole thing. All that good stuff. We will let you watch Harry Roseman and Nick Siriani now. And most of all, we gotta end this show.

The Quinion Mitchell show. We gotta end it with the Zach because Zach Berman broke the story, broke the news on this show. Let's give it up. Give it up, give it up. For Zach Berman, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Jack, Jack, Jack. Thank you, Butcher Boxer Box. See you tomorrow. And as always, we love you, by the way.