PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | Offensive coordinator search rolls on for Nick Sirianni, Philadelphia Eagles

Episode Date: January 26, 2024

So far, we know Kellen Moore, Jerrod Johnson and Kliff Kingsbury have interviewed with the Eagles for their vacant offensive coordinator position. Who else will they talk to and, more importantly, what are the tangible things that need to change to get the most out of the Eagles’ personnel on offense?Deniz Selman returns for a Friday show, this time without a pending game for him to jinx! He gives his thoughts on everything that’s happened with the team over the last few weeks and maybe answers the important time machine question we’ve all been thinking about. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

To the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast, Friday at noon, Bo, Wolf, Zach Berman, joined in studio today by the professor himself, Danes. Selman, we haven't talked to you in a while, Danes. There's no Eagles game for you to jinx this week. How are you feeling? What's your general demeanor now that we are entering the very long offseason? Look, listen, the team was 10 and 1 before I came on the show, and 1 and 6 after. It's not a perfect correlation. So that's all I have to say. It's an aberration. I mean, you know, we can blame the weather and the snowstorm. Beat the giants. Beat the giants after I joined. It sounds like they never won.

Yeah. And they'd lost to the Jets before. So, I mean, that's all I mean, that's all the defense I need. Okay. Zach, how are you doing? You got perfect posture. You got your vest on where you're feeling good. Doing well.

Excited for the show. Always loved one, Professor Seltman's here. And, yeah, it's been a good week of shows. I'm going to miss you next week. So I'm already kind of preparing for that. And I'm looking forward to these next 60 minutes. All right. Well, we've got plenty to talk about.

We want to get your thoughts. Dan is on Vic Fangio coming in. Maybe some thoughts on what you'd like to see from offensive coordinator to be determined. Moving forward, we'll talk a little bit about the schedule for next season. But we have a little bit of coaching news as the Eagles are putting out interview, feelers. Zach, why don't you give us the Stone Cold Newsman update? So DJ Elliott has not been dismissed as, as far as we know publicly, but it seems to be like...

But it feels like maybe the plug to his turntable has been taken out. Well, this is kind of the Gunter Brewer situation. Gunter Brewer. If you recall, is that one day, all of a sudden, he just took the Louisville job. Fast freaky, freaky freak. And so I say this as a way of saying, the Eagles are clearly interviewing linebacker coaches right now. Joe Barry, the former Packers defensive coordinator,

is well-traveled around the NFL, including a stint in San Diego that overlapped with Nixiriani's time in San Diego. He is interviewing with the Eagles, according to multiple reports. Certainly would sound like that would be for a linebacker's coach job. And Mike Caldwell interviewing with Eagles again, according to reports, after interviewing with Eagles for the defensive coordinator spot. Caldwell, by the way, Jaguar's defensive coordinator last year, was on the Buck staff, had been on the Eagle staff at one point.

So those are some Eagles coaching interview news. Now, do you think interviewing Mike Caldwell for the linebacker position is an indication that Fangio wants to play in like a base 515 defense? No, I'm trying to. Well, because he's only a Mike. It's not like they're interviewing his brothers, Will, and Sam. I kind of saw this one coming, yeah. All right, that's a dad. I was, you know, I, I mean, bringing all the Caldwells if we're going to care about linebackers, you know.

I, like, you know, put my kid to sleep every night, put my son to sleep every night. And he said to me last night, he says, he says, dad, why can a nose be 12 inches? And I said, why? And he said, because then it will be a foot. And I said, it's pretty good. I like that. I said, did you hear that in school today? And he said, I made it up.

No, I don't know if you made it up. That's a great joke. But that's in line with your Mike Caldwell joke. That's good. You know what I've been doing lately is we're working through spelling, right? And so when there's a silent E, like we do the word moose, M-O-O-S-E, we say a silent E, it's and I actually do a very good impression of a silent E. You ready?

I see what you did there. The audio listeners. Pretty good. Wow. Pretty good. One quick other thing is, I don't. I mean, they deviate into, like, bedtime stories here. Sure.

But Reed's getting really into sports, and from the library at school, he takes out, like, the history of whatever sport it is. And so Emily has ended up reading him a lot at night, and she's like, these books are so boring. And then the- Why aren't you reading? I do some of that, but Emily does a lot of the reading at night. I tell stories. We talk about different things. We go over all the stats and the games.

My son can tell you every day what the Sixers did into the night before. Okay. Anyways, yeah, that's a bedtime story story. But to the Mike Caldwell before we deviated there, I don't think it indicates anything other than the fact that Vic Fangio is bringing in his own position coaches. But it's also worth noting, and this isn't the takeaway from DJL or from D.K. Montgomery last year. but the Eagles were interviewing coaches late in the process, right?

I mean, if you're talking to linebackers coaches who've been established defensive coordinators, that's quite different than hiring a college linebackers coach, right? So, or a college coordinator who's becoming your linebackers coach. So clearly they're able to kind of swim in coaches with more distinguished NFL resumes. Right. This is what we talked about, like the chance to refresh the staff and have your pick of better options. Obviously, the fact that you would bring in a Vic Fangio and fill out the position coach staff with guys who have been in higher positions before and maybe like Peter principled over there. Like it seems like they're setting themselves up for a much more professional operation on defense.

This new regime of not letting you guys talk to the position coaches is really making it hard for me to have any feelings whatsoever about, you know, know guys like Ronnell Williams and DJ Elliott who are almost surely going to be gone. Like it's like I've never heard them speak. Like I don't know what they did. Like, you know, it was nice when they had those like media sessions during the by week or whatever. I would hope that they bring those back. I don't think you need to sell Zach on that. Music my ears.

Well, now you say like each do a training camp press conference along the way. They didn't do that this year, right? And something that they did. They scattered them around. Some of them. Right. Yeah. It's something we should reevaluate.

And it's good for the coaches too because it enhances their visibility. On the offensive coordinator front, since we had our show last night, well, my days are all kind of coming together. Dave Canales, when did he get – was that during the show? During the show? During the show, because we were talking about the book. And then please fill in the listeners about your evening activity last night. Well, I was listening back to our show, and Bo brought up the book that Dave Canales and his wife wrote. and so and it was kind of

I don't want to ascribe your tone but it was almost in like a sarcastic tone all I did was read the description okay so joy is laughing here and I felt you know I feel very strongly about this in general you shouldn't cast judgment until you have more information right like I always reserve judgment

until I know what it is that I'm talking about so I started reading the book as much as I could I, excuse me, I read about 25 pages last night. Now let me ask you, well, finish your story, and then I'm going to ask you a different question. And I learned more about the Canales family and the Canales marriage. I learned how they got to get, I learned how they met.

I learned kind of what they were doing. Did you put it in your spreadsheet of how coaches met their wives? Oh, but now I know that one for sure. You read about their philandering. So. Well, his. Real quick, on the, on the, on the, way the coaches met their wives.

I hope I'm not speaking out of turn here, but Marissa, our former producer, who a lot of our longtime listeners know, sent Bo, Sheo and me a text the other night about Jim Harbaugh. And she said, did you know Jim Harbaugh met his wife

in a P.F. Chang's parking lot. And I'm like, did I know? It's a great story. And I shared with them the whole story of how Jim Harbaugh met his wife. Nothing in this world takes a place of persistence, you said. Yeah. Jason Kelsey, from Calvin Coolidge, right?

Are you steering away from the Canales cheating? Is that? I am not. It's in the book. You read. I haven't gotten to the other parts of the book. Okay. Now, this is the only thing I want to ask you about.

As a published author, who also has another book. Did you feel a little bit dirty about only reading the free preview? Yeah, I did. Actually, I always, like for instance, Malcolm Jenkins' book, I got sent in advance copy, but I bought the book because I do feel like if you're going to read the book, you should buy the book, hook up the author. Drink the milk, buy the cow. Something like that. But, yeah, I haven't read the full book yet.

I should buy the book, you're right, but I didn't last night. I just wanted to kind of see what it was about regarding that. Anyways, that happened during the show. the Rahim Morris thing happened at night last night. I bring up Dave Canales because now the Bucks Offense Coordinator jobs open. That's another offensive coordinator job. Brian Johnson interviewing with the Bucks, but also I believe Kellan Moore is a candidate down there as well.

So we will... Another team competing for... Exactly, for offense quarter. And more specifically, another team that has the offensive coordinator calling plays because the Cleveland job might not be as attractive, for instance, as the Eagles job, because Kevin Stefansky is calling plays. there's more autonomy, at least what we think, in Philly than there is in Cleveland. But when you look at jobs like New England, jobs like Tampa Bay, jobs like Philly, you're calling the place.

I mentioned Raheem Morris getting the Falcons job, which means, by the way, Bill Belichick might get shed out this cycle. But it sounds like Zach Robinson, the coach who you once saw at the cafeteria, is a prime candidate. to be the offensive coordinator for the Falcons next year. All right. Danis, we've just been sort of sitting over there. We've got to get you in the conversation here. Sorry about that. Well, I did want to link the Dave Connellis news to the Eagles.

Apparently, he has trouble staying faithful while on road trips in the NFL. And the Carolina Panthers will be coming to Philly next fall. Insofar as how it affects, you know, so like whether you want to be near the hotel or not be the hotel that night, you can make your choice. Please, this was previously in the marriage, okay? This is like they've worked on their marriage. This is the book the book is about. So please do not, let's let's do not create an impression for something that's not the case.

But I mean, that could be theoretically an edge in the game as if, you know, he's got, he's got to fight temptation that Saturday night in Philadelphia. Oh, yeah, there you go. It could be sleepless night. That's right. Okay. The people will be sleepless thinking about the Vic fans. The mistress talk is a long-running thread on the PHLY Eagles podcast.

All right, Dennis, let's talk about Fangio. Yeah. The original Dead Poet Society movie. That's right. The original Dead Poet Society movie. Not the novelization. Right. Not the Turkish translation.

And I know you were a fan of what Matt Patricia brought to the Eagles defense. I know that this has been tough for you to move on from. But give us your level of excitement here of Fangio coming in. I'm excited. I think a lot of my thoughts on this are similar to what you guys have expressed on previous, you know, like this shows the last couple of weeks, is that I really would like the offensive coordinator to bring like new ideas and be more modern and fresh and all this kind of stuff.

I think with defensive coordinator, having the veteran with the high floor, who's going to be able to get guys to line up and have their respect and all that kind of stuff, I think it's great. I think there are, there's definitely the question of is the Fangio scheme, like now suffering from the same thing that the cover three like Seattle defense suffered from where like every offense designed place. Exactly. So, so that's definitely going to be a challenge for him. And it's, it's been a challenge for all of the Fangio tree coaches who are getting, who are like losing their jobs and getting fired all over the place. I think it's going to be interesting to see how much he adapts.

Like, you know, I can talk about what the Miami defense did this last year, and I have some numbers for that in terms of the coverages and how it's related to what the Eagles were doing with the SI. But I think it's going to be the most interesting thing is going to be how much Fangio changes from game to game and how much he changes as offenses are, you know, not that impacted anymore by the late safety rotation and some of the things that are his staples.

So, you know, one of the things I can start with, like, I think a lot of people know, like Fangio starts with two high safeties and rotates and all that stuff. So I'll get to that in a second. But one game that I always think about with Fangio, which was interesting to me, is that 2021 game, and I mentioned that on the show before,

2021 Eagles at Broncos. But you're not saying. The best, like, ever game by Jalen Hertz, like, you know, to date at the time. So maybe it wasn't a great game for Fangio. But interestingly, schematically, in that game, I just went back and looked at my notes from that game. That's impressive.

Cover one blitz, cover one blitz, cover one blitz, cover zero blitz, cover three, cover one blitz, cover one blitz, cover one blitz. It was like an insane amount of man blitz in that game from Fangio. Didn't do a lot of the stuff he does with the two high and all that kind of stuff. I thought it was really interesting that that's the way he thought he could play against that. offense at the time. That was the adjustment he made, yeah. Yeah, and it didn't work at all. Like, I mean, Jalen Hertz looked like Brady against that.

You know, they were moving the pocket and like avoiding the blitz and doing all these things. It was that, like, looking back at that game was interesting for both reasons, right? It was interesting to see Fangio so out of character. And it was also like, where is this like moving the pocket to avoid the blitz like stuff that the Eagles did in that game, that they literally never did again? It felt like at the time, like the reason that teams weren't doing that against the Eagles, blitzing and playing man was because it invited Jalen to scramble. Right.

And pick up yards that way. And that's not what he was doing in that game. No, it was like stepping up in the pocket and finding guys downfield and hitting Devante Smith and everything. Yeah, it was really interesting how, you know, like, of course, there was no AJ Brown that year. It was like Jalen Rager on the other side, right? So playing man, you know, trusting his corners and whatnot.

And Devante made some great catches in that game. He did against Sertan. Yeah. But anyway, like that was an example of how he can adopt from game to game. But when you look at his overall numbers from this year, it is like, the Eagles really were like the, like, not the Turkish novelization, but like the novelization of the movie, it was like a watered down version because you look and it's like, you know, they play like a crazy amount of cover six, which is like, you know, you've got quarter quarter half. So you have you start with two safeties and then like you have a one corner squatting and the safety high on that side. That's a good tool to use against like a star wide receiver. By the way, I highly recommend reading Sean Syed's piece, the book of Fangio,

which is just this long article about going through and detailing all of the schemes that Fangio does. And one of the things that he wrote in that is he wrote, to combat Sean McVeigh's famed illusion of complexity, the Fangio defense uses the appearance of simplicity, the same exact defensive look can end up in a plethora of coverages, pressures, and assignments. So it is like such an extreme version of that when you look at Miami's numbers. Like they did more sim pressures than anybody else in the league. Like they did, you know, they start in too high like 80% of the time, which is higher than

anybody else in the league. But then they end up in too high on only 50% of the snaps. So the amount of times that they disguise was just like much higher than other teams. They did 36% middle of field disguise that was third highest, but the top top. were only like a little bit above them. The Eagles were 28% last year. Like I said, a slightly watered down version of that. And it's almost always open to close disguise,

meaning that they start with two high safeties and then one of the safeties has to rotate down. And so to your discussion yesterday about will the Eagles invest in safety linebacker, like in that piece like Sean Syed calls the, uh, calls the safeties like the queen on the chess board for Fangio, I really think that it's, it's more likely that the Eagles would, um,

you know, make sure to get him a safety. Yeah, like I don't know if that would be drafting one high and trusting a rookie to do the things that he asked the safeties to do or to sign a free agent. But, and in theory, if you just look at it, like the free agency safety class does look better than the free agent linebacker class.

Looks better. Yes, yes, yes, yes, that's what's about to say. And you were saying the same is true for the draft? Or was the other way around the draft? I was saying, there's more, there's like three, you know, if you just look at rankings and kind of, linebackers in that, you know, 30 to 100 or 30 to 80 range, it's a better time to find a linebacker there than is a safety there. Now, of course.

You can read Zach's three-round mock draft, his Eagles mock draft on all-PHLY.com right now if you're a diehard. Thank you. Yeah, I'd be happy to discuss that. Yeah, so to that point, though, yeah, I think this is a better year to sign a safety, especially, and I don't mean to get ahead of you here. if for some reason Antoine Winfield Jr. is not kept by Tampa Bay. That will be the type of guy you can slurge on. I have always been a huge fan of his, by the way, like huge fan. I thought he was like one of the biggest reasons they won the Super Bowl.

Like I just thought he was, I just think he's a great player. The, I do think the, like, is the scheme washed thing is, even if that is true, it is, and Zach made this point yesterday. It's so different to have bringing in the scheme and bringing in the guy who created the scheme because he is the one who was in the first place capable of designing the scheme. He has it within him to design good. Like he is not the one who was wedded to this because he's trying to simulate it. He is the one who is capable of, like he has it in him to design things differently. Right.

And, you know, Sean Desai made the point when he started last year that there's a difference between having studied Fangio on film and having worked for him. Well, think about the difference, what about being him? You know what I mean? Like, it's like this guy has put in these schemes for a reason. Like, it was to combat the things that offenses were doing at the time. And he's also the one who, the year that the Rams lost the Super Bowl to the Patriots, he was the one who played with those like six-man defensive line fronts to combat the outside zone game of the Rams.

And Belichick copied him. Yeah, in the second half especially, right? Yeah, and then they scored three points in the Super Bowl, and Belichick was playing those six-man defensive lines as almost an exact copy of what Fangio did. That 2018 Bears' defense was awesome. It was like the best defense in the league, first in DVOA, first and all kinds of things.

Just could stop Golden Tate at the gold line. That's right. When you didn't even know the play, Golden Tate. All right, anyway. You've got them off the drive. Yeah, sorry. Oh, my God. Anyway, I think one of the reasons...

Somewhere in my brain, how much I disliked Kevin Byard was because you just reminded me a Golden Tate. Like, I don't know why it was. The mid-season trade. The mid-season trade, just like how bad you was. But much lower cost. Sure, but during the season, you're not thinking about that as much. But anyway, yeah, that's bad.

But Kevin Byard's not going to cut it next year. Right, yeah. And the Sydney Brown injury makes it. Like they need somebody for sure. Right. Yeah. The one other thing I want to mention, and this is a warning because I know not everyone's going to like this, Fangio loves dropping one of the edge rushers into coverage.

Okay. Like that's just going to happen. He has these, a variety of different pressures. One is called, and these are all like, I'm just taking these directly from Sean Syed's piece, and he's talked about this on their podcast as well. They have a, he has something called Slug, where the nickel blitz is. and then the edge rusher on the other side drops out, right? Like he has another one where, you know,

one of the linebackers blitzes and the eddresher drops out. If you check my Twitter, I posted two plays from the Eagles' Dolphins game this last year that resulted in, one of them resulted in a sack and one of them resulted in the pick six that the dolphins got against the Eagles. And they both involved some sort of pressure from the edge and, like, one of them had an edge rusher dropping

and taking away the RPO. The thing that I like about the way he does it is it always seems to have a purpose. Like it's like, look, the Eagles like to run this kind of RPO out of this formation. So I'm going to drop the edge rusher exactly into the window of the slant while bringing another guy. It's going to muddy the read for the quarterback and it's going to make him hold the ball and it's going to do this. And then the pick six, the defender that Jalen is reading, the edge rusher, collapses on the running back.

And then the corner blitzes replacing the edge rusher. And so what ended up happening is Jalen holds the ball because he sees the edge rusher, the guy he's reading. And Fangio knows exactly who Jalen's reading, obviously. And then when he goes to throw the ball, the corner's in his face. I don't know if you guys remember that play, but he ends up throwing the ball with the corner, like, one foot from his arm. So that play is clearly designed to take away that kind of RPO

or that kind of play that the Eagles run. So my hope is that there's going to be a lot of this kind of thing where it's like, look, this was designed to stop this thing that the offense does, as opposed to we're a fan geo defense and so we're going to rotate the safety down for no reason, which is like what the Eagles seem to be doing. It is the perfect encapsulation of what we're talking about, of not being several layers removed of the person designing it.

With him, it is for a reason. And, you know, yeah, like is it not ideal to see Hassan Redick dropping eight times a game or whatever? Sure, but if it is purposeful and it's not just, okay, we have a static five-man front, the offensive formation is lined up this way and so everybody knows that that means Hassan Reddick has to drop and we've just got three defensive tackles rushing instead that stinks. If it is

he's dropping and one of the linebackers or the Nichols is replacing him and it's and it is part of a larger picture, yeah like that is a different conversation. Right. No, that's exactly right. Now a lot of this stuff is going to have to be installed very well and the players are going to have to learn how to do it because a lot of the things he does involves players

making reads during the play. And we saw the Eagles by the end of this last year not even be able to line up, right? So, you know, he has this thing called cover three site where you start with two safeties and then one safety rotates down to the flat. But it's only based on what the receivers do, like who ends up getting the flat

and who ends up being the hook between the linebacker and the safety. Just reading about that, it's like confusing. You know what I mean? It's like, I can really see how players could get confused here and both run to the flat. I mean, the Eagles were all running to the flat, even when they were displaying a regular zone coverage last year. You know, so you really need this kind of stuff to be installed

and you need your safeties to be very smart and know exactly what they're doing. And Fangio is a big fan, of course, of light boxes. You need the defensive line to be really good. I mean, especially against the run, whether you're, you know, two-gapping or whatever it is, like you need Jordan Davis to stay in shape all here and all this kind of stuff.

You need Jalen Carter to continue to dominate. And then the scheme can kind of, you know, can work for you. If you have weaknesses at any of those spots, it's going to be harder. So I'm fascinated to see what they do personnel-wise this off-season. I'm curious to see if they actually have an off-season program. Like a

more, I shouldn't say actually, they've had it in the past, but a more rigorous one where they're on the field more than they have been in the past three years. Because to your point, if you're having a new offensive scheme and a new defensive scheme, it would behoove you to not really start

practicing that in late July. when you had the opportunity in May and June to do it. What did they do going into 2021? The COVID, it was COVID affected. So they actually did not really have, they didn't have a mandatory mini camp. They had one week when the team was together, and then they kind of picked everything up during training camp.

But even that year, they were kind of late figuring everything out. And it was the middle of the year when they started to know their personnel and kind of know how to use it. Because you just think about it the year after that, it's everybody's the same. Exactly. No staff turnover. And then the year after that, they're coming off the Super Bowl. You don't want to put extra miles on those guys' legs. So it's a good question.

One last thing I mentioned, the edge rusher will drop into coverage some, which won't be a thing that, like, you know, WIP callers are going to be happy about. Or miss on a Josh to that point, too. Well, sure. Another thing they won't be happy about is he doesn't believe in pressing with both corners. Seth Walder tweeted out the rankings of teams that have both. both outside corners and press coverage. And so the chiefs were first at 41%.

That's like a big Spaggs thing. The dolphins were 31st at 4% in that. Eagles were kind of in the middle. So that's not, like, he really believes in, like, if one of them's pressing, the other one should be off. So just something to keep in mind. Well, if the Eagles need to free up some cap space in order to pay a safety,

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Thank you. Compound interest. We'll get to the time machine at the end, I think. Danes, you are in addition to... Or we could use it to do it at the beginning. That's true. Yeah. You know, in addition to watching the tape and grinding the tape,

you are also a voracious consumer of all things Eagles media. I wonder what your thoughts were on the press conference from Wednesday. Yeah. It was it's always it's always fun these press conferences where You just know it's gonna be the news right like and there's so many questions right to break down and everything else and In terms of my every single answer is like that's gonna be an article for somebody like yeah, yeah, yeah and I can see what some of the questions like can literally like like like feel some of your eyes rolling in the room as well which is fun but yeah the The the question that that obviously everyone's talking about that that kind of struck me and I and I kind of want to address that one first is the Tim McMahon's question, right?

Basically, so what do you do here? Yeah, and I don't think he meant it in a mean way, but I thought it was a fair question, and I thought it was a good question, one that needed to be asked as soon as they basically revealed that he wasn't going to be in charge of the offense anymore. It's like, okay, like, what are you doing? I think, look, there are examples of NFL head coaches

who don't call plays on either side of the ball. The ones that everyone are going to refer to are Harbaugh, John Harbaugh and Mike Tomlin, obviously you have Dan Campbell now as well. I think it's, you know, one of those things where, like, a lot of times people are like, well, what are you going to do when your coordinator lead? They say this about a defensive head coach as well. You guys probably saw the recent, like, talk about how no offensive coordinator has been in place.

Since the end of the 2021 season. Which is crazy, right? I guess if you count Kyle Shanahan as the offensive coordinator, he would be the only exception? No, the only of the exception there is that is that Dave Ragon is technically still employed by the Falcons because the 49ers have offensive coordinator. You know, they have. They sort of do. They don't like a past game. He still a play caller. Yeah. But so the Falcons. His title isn't even offense coordinator though. But anyway, whatever. That's not the thing. Yeah. Meanwhile, Pete Carmocko like just got fired after being the Saints offensive coordinator

for like 15 years in a row, which is just wild. Yeah. Well, I think, I think like Siriani's answer to the question was extremely clumsy. You know, he said that they were going to maybe like shuffle the core values, which is such a funny answer, because he made a point about a month ago to say that the order of the core values doesn't matter. Yeah. That one's the third one. And he's like, and it's only the third one because we said it third.

And this time his answer was like, we might change the order of the core values, which is also funny. I was hoping that maybe... It is funny that he made it like, that's the big offsys and product project. is figuring out what order they should go in. I know one thing you'd be happy about is if they fix the parts of speech. Please. Maybe that's, maybe he'll have time for that now.

You know, like he can fix, he can make it so that, yeah. It was a clumsy answer, but I do think, like, we should have learned by now not to be judging Nick Siriani by press conferences. Absolutely, absolutely. And that was my thought as well. I didn't think that first press conference was that bad, by the way. Like, I thought people were way over the top and mean about that, just because he was, like, stuttering and nervous.

I didn't think the things he said were that bad. I think Nick is, if I can just interject real quick, I think Nick is much better when he's not trying to sound a certain way. When he's just like himself, he's much better. I think for these like high leverage press conferences, if you will, he gets it in his head that, you know, he has to come off a certain way. Or if there are too many talking points he's trying to get. Exactly.

Yes, like they're filling his mind with this way. If Nick's just himself, then he could. be like goofy or something, but he comes off authentic. He's not nearly as bad an actor as Doug was. Remember, Doug would come out with like an agenda to be like tough for whatever. Yeah, that was really funny. I mean, honestly, like the one piece of like advice I would give to Nick is just don't be afraid to end a sentence. Just don't be afraid of a period.

Like there are two awake so many times when he gives a good answer and it should just be over. And then he talks for another minute. Yes, exactly. he just keeps going. And you don't get the sense that it's intentional. Like, it's not filibustering. He's not doing it to, like, avoid more questions. It's like he just doesn't know how to land the plane.

Or he thinks you're helping you. He thinks he's like, like, he wants to help. Right. So he's like, let me tell the story about when this happened. Right, right. He'll be like, did I answer your question? And you'll be like, yeah, you did. Yeah, you did.

And he'll still continue even after you said, yeah, you did. But as to, yes, the comparisons with Harbaugh and Tomlin. Harbaugh and Tomlin. But, like, here's the thing. We can talk about Harbaugh and Tomlin briefly, but I think there's an interesting kind of combination of criticism of what's happening right now, which is people are saying that, like, well, he's been neutered now. Like, what's the point of him being here and everything?

But a lot of the people who are saying that didn't like what he was doing with the offense, right? So it reminded me of the famous line in Annie Hall. Zach, do you know Annie Hall? Is that the Annie movie? The Annie Playwright? Okay, so I'm very happy about this right now. Because I was predicting that you would have not heard of Annie Hall. Red hair, right?

One of the most famous movies of... No, not red hair is out. That's a different movie called Annie. Andy. This is Annie Hall. Yes, Annie's the Red Hair, right? Yes, Annie's the Red Hair. That's good.

I'm impressed that you know that. Annie Hall. Okay. It's a movie by... Have you heard of Woody Allen? Yeah, of course. Okay. Well, it's his most famous movie, so...

Is Annie Hall? Okay. It's before my time. That's okay. It is that it's true that it's before your time. In any case, There's a, sorry, there's a famous line in Annie Hall where the sun will come out tomorrow. That's from Annie to play, yes.

Did you have to see Andy with your kids or something? Like, why do you know it? Yeah, my daughter hadn't had an Annie doll. Okay, okay. I do. I do there, yeah, at some reason. All right. So in any hall, there's the, in any of all there's the there's the line where these two women are having lunch at the at a resort or something and one of them says the food here is terrible and the other one says yeah and such small portions right so which is funny obviously because like if it's terrible why do you care that the portions are small so that's exactly what I feel like I'm hearing when I like you know briefly tune in and on WIP and stuff like people are like you know Like, like, Siriani's offense sucks. Like, you know, like, and then in the same breath, they're like, and he's not even going to be in charge of the offense anymore. Like, you know, like, why is he here? And it's like, okay, like, I think either one of those is an okay thing to say.

But when you say both of them, it's like, which one do you have an issue with? It's like if you don't think his offense, if you don't think he should be in charge of the offense, then you shouldn't be upset that he's not going to be in charge of it anymore. You could be upset that he's not being fired. But, you know, that's a different kind of thing. I think there are a couple things here. One is you could read it as if we take it at face value that he is not going to be like involved in the offense much at all, then the read to me is the Eagles are setting this up as like the head coach

is a fungible part of what is going to make this organization tick, right? Like we're going to install Vic Fangio, literal Vic Fangio as a defensive coordinator. We're going to find somebody who is a bright offensive mind. Those are the things that they're going to matter on the field. And Nick can be a culture guy. And that is like the eighth most important thing that matters to the product. I don't necessarily agree with that. Right.

I also don't fully believe that this is like Nick hands off on the offense. I don't know that he is capable of doing that. And it also is going to depend on who they bring in. I think he's still going to be very involved there. My issue with this setup is. Fanjo is going to kick him out of the defense. Oh, yeah. Pretty quick.

Yeah, yeah. So he's not going to have anywhere else to go. Right, exactly. My issue with it is the things that would be left to theoretical head coach of the team are the things that he has struggled with. Like the game management stuff, maybe this is like, okay, get back in the lab and work on that. Maybe they can bring in somebody who's going to be in his ear and he will listen to. And then the culture stuff, like the culture stuff has been great for two and a half years, but it wasn't great at the end of last season. I would love to know what the hell happened at the end of last season

culture-wise I think I think they would love to know too I think there's a lot of like we don't necessarily know why things went wrong as well right like is it the kind of thing that like as soon as everyone's gone for the for the like summer and comes back it's going to be okay or is it going to be something that is lingering and there are going to be players who are like ah this guy's back again like and the culture is going to be broken I just don't think it's the second thing Like, I don't know what he goes.

I don't think so either just because nobody wants to show up to work and not like, you know, this is their guy's job. Like they're going to try to buy in. Right. Yeah. No. Plus, Nick's going to work hard. You can bet your bottom dollar that. Well, sure.

To the point about the bottom dollar, that's in Annie reference. I know what you did there, Beau. To the point about what's Nick's role. You really went in on learning about Annie. Plus, he hates plays. Anything that my daughter's interested in? Especially musicals. Breaking in the song?

I can tell you all about Tower Swift songs now. Okay. Yeah, we listen. There's this song, Never Grow Up, that my daughter knows all the words to. It's actually, it's a nice message in the song. In any event, Jason Kelsey, speaking about Taylor Swift, December 2020, New Heights podcast, and Bow's least favorite segment, which is a mailbag segment. There was a listener who asked,

Travis and Jason, if your coach doesn't call plays, what is it like he do? And Jason gave a defense about how he actually likes it when the coach's sole job is to narrow in on game situations. And he says they're more involved with the team. They're more in the moment. They're more managerial. They communicate more. And then later on in that answer, this is a quote. He said, the bigger part of that job is being able to lead, being able to manage, being able to communicate, being able to keep everybody going in the right direction and situational ball. Now, if you are of the opinion that Nick was not good enough in those areas this past season, and certainly those last seven games, there's evidence of that.

Game situations were a problem, right? The messaging, the managing was not working well. But to Jason's point, what the main part of being a head coach, and he said this in different answers, is being a head coach of the entire football team, right? So if you believe that Nick Siriani has the leadership ability, the communication ability, the personality to be the person who can oversee, manage, communicate with the entire team, then he'll be fine this year with those roles. If you feel he's deficient in those areas, that's when you say he's kind of like an empty suit in that position. Or maybe the thought is like if you're freeing him up, there is like professional development that he can get better. at those things because he has more free time.

Yes, exactly. I don't know. So let's talk about as this offense changes, theoretically, Danes, what are some of the things that you would like to see implemented in a new Eagles offense? Before that, I just want to say one thing. Like, I thought it was a little bit worrying that when Howie was asked in the presser, then why is Nick going to still be here? I think E.J. Smith asked him, like, are you going to still have confidence in him?

Howie's answer was almost. Brooks Cabin from. Oh, was it really? Sorry, I got mixed up the questions. Is it Cabina or Cabena? Oh, I asked Brooks. We didn't have to get Brooks. I thought I might have been Cubena.

Okay. Brooks Cabena. We're going to ask you. The answer that he gave was based almost entirely on, like, his record, right? He watched our show. It was, it was like, you know, like, it's hard to make the playoffs three years in a row. By the way, six teams have made the playoffs three years in a row. Including the Eagles.

including the Eagles, yeah, Tampa, Dallas, San Francisco, Kansas City, Buffalo, or the others. Surprise you didn't have that number. It's like, man, I haven't checked, like, how many teams. He had the record. It was very funny. But, like, it was all based on, like, it's hard to find this. It's hard to find someone who's going to win this many games and all of that. And it's almost as if, like, he gives Siriani credit for the wins, right?

but not for any of the like tangible on-field things that led to those wins right like it's like it's and it's and that's a really interesting thing right it's like and that and that's I think the problem that a lot of fans are having with this decision is that it's like if you don't think that

he's doing anything good on the field like why are you giving him credit for the wins like aren't the wins didn't the wins then come from like the roster and things like that it's tough I don't know I mean like he has he does have the second best win loss record of any of the active NFL coaches. I guess Jim Harbaugh is back now, so maybe I guess he's third now. He's won two-thirds of his games. That's hard to do. Yeah. And I mean, he won, you know,

in the time that he's been here, there have only been four teams to win more games. And two of those are Dallas and Buffalo, who never even got past a divisional round. So you could argue that, like, only Kansas City and San Francisco have had, like, tangibly better outcomes. And even San Francisco, like, you know, we'll see what happens this Sunday. But some of the things that really confused me about Nick, and this is to address your question, Bo. It's like, he's changed before, right? Like, he's been able to adapt. He changed in the middle of 2021. He was willing to accept change. Then he was trying to be like the Philip Rivers Chargers when he got here. And then after seven, you know, he gave up play calling, right? This is like a, like, and we'll see who comes in. But like,

it's an extra version of that. It's like he's giving up some power in order to see overall improvement. and he's willing to try different things. This idea that the RPO game and the QB run-oriented play and all that kind of stuff is like his offense is a little funny, right? Because that's not what he came in doing. Like, it's not what Shane Steichen came in doing either.

So hopefully there would be some ability to adapt to that. Now, your question about what I'd like to see, coming in, I had this like general question of, based on the candidates being revealed, like the Kingsbury's and the Girard Johnsons, is it better to get someone whose style contrasts with what Nick has done, right? Does that risk having too many cooks in the kitchen,

like the Skangarello type thing? Or is it better to have someone who share similar philosophies? But then in the presser, Siriani, first of all, said, like, I'm not really going to be doing the offense anymore. And then he just kept saying fresh ideas, fresh ideas, fresh ideas, right?

And you guys were talking about this a little yesterday, I thought that implied that a Gerard Johnson-type candidate is possible because it's like, you know, ideas from different, like, different styles of offense that he's worked with. And if his lack of experience is the reason that you think that he wouldn't get this, like, head coach offense-type position, I was just thinking, like, if Jeffrey Leary hired Andy Reid, like, when he was the quarterback's coach, to be the head coach of the whole team, you know? And I know it's like a different era in his life and where the team stands and all this kind of thing. But if anything, and you guys talked about this as well, like you don't want to have three head coaches in the room, right?

Like you already have Fangio there. You don't necessarily want to bring in a guy with too much experience who's been a head coach and all this kind of thing. Because then it is really going to be like now the players are going to start thinking like what does Siriani do, right? So yeah, I don't, I'm not sure about that. I will say, I am surprised we haven't heard any reported interviews with college people yet. You're right. And I think that that's an interesting possibility, and maybe the thing that would be most exciting to me. And that's not something they've been against in the past, right?

Right, remember they've interviewed, you know. And it's something college coaches sometimes are reluctant to reveal for recruiting purposes and that kind of thing. I do have breaking news. I have a response from Brooks on the pronunciation of his last name. And not only that, he didn't just give me like a phonetic text. This is a voice message. So we're going to get to hear it. Yeah.

Thank you to Brooks. Here we go. Cabina. I love it. So I was right. Cabina. Is that what you said? That's what I said.

Cabina? Yeah. First time I ever got a pronunciation right. Yeah, let's go. I made joy laugh. Thank you. I just want to add one thing to what Professor Shelman was saying a few moments ago when he was talking about how his answer about why they kept Nick. And I think this is important to point out.

Jeff McLean had a tweet yesterday and it surprised me when I was texting with Jeff about it how this is like a news to people but Nick does not report to Howie Howie, howie's not the one who decides to keep

Nick or not. Jeffrey Lurie's the one who decides that. The Eagles have a structure and it's actually, it's in the news now because some other teams are changing their structure. The Eagles have had this structure now going back, to the, ever since they kind of fired Andy, where the coach reports to the owner and the

GM reports to the owner. Doug Peterson didn't report to Hallie Roseman. Chip Kelly didn't report to Hallie Roseman. Halle Roseman didn't report to Chip Kelly, although maybe he would. The only year that- I think that's how it should be. Yeah, the only year that was not the case was in 2015, I believe, when I don't know if, things were murky that year, but I don't know if Ed Manowitz technically reported to

to Chip to Chip or he might have actually reported to to Howie on the organizational chart but in essence he was reporting the chip. That's how it should be. Their jobs are different. Their timelines are different. They need to be worried about different things. But there was this thought and I saw there was like criticism why isn't like Howie being grilled on the decision to keep Nick. It wasn't Howie's decision to keep Nick. It's or I, now Howie's, howie, obviously close with Jeffrey. They've worked together for going on to

three decades now. So the relationship... And also presumably he was in those meetings. Sure, exactly. Right. But Bo and I will have a chance to speak with Jeffrey Lurie at the league meetings in March. That's when Jeffrey Lurie speaks annually. And we'll get more clarity on Jeffrey's decision. But

I didn't want to make that clear because when Jeff put that out, there was... I do know, anecdotally, there was like response, like, wow, has this always been the case? I didn't know this. Nick has never reported to Howie, and Doug never, he did not report to Howie as well. All right. A couple more things to get to here, Danes. You wanted to go through the schedule for next year. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Go ahead. Just real, I mean, I don't know if this matters,

but Brooks actually asked about what do you find yourself open to changing in the offense and how he just talked about the record. Like, his question wasn't that. And then Chris Franklin is the one who asked about bringing him back. But anyway, I did have a quick thing about the static, the staleness of the offense. I'm curious if... Have you ever done that baguette trick? The water thing? Yeah.

I am like a... I really believe in eating, like, bread fresh. Like, I will not... Of course. I will not touch it, like, once it gets, yeah. I'm very... Yeah, Emily is not a big fan of this because it just means there's, like,

food laying around all the time that I don't want to eat, but... Oh, you just refuse, okay. I mean, I just... This won't eat it, yeah. Okay. No. I'm sure the trick's good.

I mean, it doesn't. But you can always just like, certainly better. Go to the bakery and get it up a little bit. Yeah, no, I mean, it's, you know. I like French toast. I guess that's, yeah. That kind of counts, right? Yeah.

Crumb them up, you could put it in your scrambled eggs or something like that, you know? Yeah. A couple uses. Yeah, there you go. Wait, you crumble up, like bread crumbs, you're saying? Stale bread, you could use, yeah. Yeah.

Really? You could make croutons out of it. My grandmother used to make croutons. Yeah, croutons, put in soup or whatever. Yeah. Now, Stett, we're just meeting like the bread is old, not like, there's not mold on it, right? No, of course not. I'm not eating moldy bread.

That's a, that's a delicacy if it has mold. I wasn't sure what you're referring to that. Okay, so just a few days old bread. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I'm like a nice piece of bread. Like, if you haven't eaten like a nice loaf of bread, yeah, you can find some uses for it. Okay.

Zach was mentioning T. Martin and like how the Greg. Roman like stuff would would like would be interesting for the run game and that kind of thing. So I was wondering about Jeff Stoutland, right? He's the run game coordinator and a lot of the stuff that we've seen with like the lack of the lack of motion and the you know like has been consistent throughout the time that Stoutland's been here. It's it's interesting to it'll be interesting to see if like some like high motion offensive coordinator is hired.

whether they would have as much motion as they did where they were before. You know what I mean? Like, or if that's the kind of thing that, like, it helps the protections and things like that, if there isn't motion? Well, especially if they have a new center, right? Like, yeah, that's true, too.

If, I guess it's bad, it's a bad scientific method because, like, you're changing two things then. Right. And we won't know if it was Kelsey or if it was, yeah, exactly. But do you think Kelsey's, like, don't have motion because then I can't figure out the protections? He wants to see the picture before. That doesn't strike me as his kind of thing. It seems like he would be willing to try to do.

Yeah. What bothers you more? The lack of motion? Find Brandon Brooks and ask him if they'll see him around the building. The lack of under center. Good question. Yeah. Interesting.

They were so extreme in both. I mean, they were just 32nd in both. Under center was by the end of the year. I don't think. I don't think. I don't think. All year long that was a pass under center that wasn't a fake tush push, right? There were like three or something.

Yeah, there were very few. And they were all in like the first drive kind of thing. It's like, let's like have this thing, this game. You could tell it was like a, but it really was only like three. I think there was like a pastigodd or something that wasn't like a thing. But by the end of the year it had gotten comical. I mean, it was the Eagles ranked 32nd. They were at 2% single back, meaning like under center or what.

And the second lowest was Indianapolis with Shane Stuyken. But even they were above 6%. And I checked. last year and the Eagles were at exactly 6% and 31st. But, I mean, the 30 teams offence all along. And this is just single back. It doesn't include eye formation, which the Eagles also never run, which is another way to be under center.

So when you add the eye formation and single back together, they're even like further behind everybody else. So it had gotten comical by the end and the same with the motion. If you include, and I know Jalen Hertz hasn't had a lot of experience with like an under center play action type game, but if you include. that and you still have some of the other stuff in there, I feel like you can be so much more effective. I mean, the

Eagles were among the top teams in the league and play action rate last year. Yeah. But when you watch the film, this is like the perfect thing where like you really need to watch the film. It is like the worst, some of the worst playfakes you've seen in your life. Like the running back's like not even close to Jalen.

Like the difference between the RPO's where he actually puts the ball in his belly and like takes it out and the play action is was like comical. like perfunctory. It's like just just comical. Like sometimes the running back like wouldn't even be going the right way. Like it would like it was just so obviously and plus the offensive line is is just clearly pass blocking. On those plays, the linebackers don't even take a step forward. Sure. They're not worried about it. Yeah. And and then you watch the Eagles defense like the linebackers

are like seven, you know, they take like seven steps forward every time there's play action and you're like, why don't we do that, you know? So my understanding real quick of of why they're not under center is they feel that the quarterback run game is much better. from shotgun and from pistol because of the plus one. But to that point, if you're not using your quarterback run game as a tool, then what you're doing is you're hindering yourself because you're not getting any of the benefits from under center. They also don't do the plus one nearly as much as they did before.

I mean, like near the end of last year after the injury, that got less. And this year it continued to be a lot of times that backside edge defender was in fact blocked by the tight end. So you're not actually doing the plus one, in which case, what's it for? You know, like just the threat of it. And, I mean, at this point, like, we should be able to have a offense that incorporates some of both. I mean, the average amount of under center in the league was 20%. It's not like we're asking the Eagles to go from 2% to 90% and take out all of the shotgun stuff.

You're still going to be in shotgun on every pass down. You're still going to be in, you know, like, it's like there's still going to be plenty of opportunities to do the stuff that you can do from the shotgun. It is funny. It's a funny example of watch what they do and not, like, look. listen to what they say because like Nick loves the a wise man avoids all extremes line and like this offense is so extreme in so many different ways and in the way that they do things it's like yeah just be a little more normal normal normal normal normal would be great yeah normal's a relative not having the press conference like nine days after the playoffs I really like the comment that

quez is probably not going to be back on the team and what if he is the one who handled protections with too many variables that would explain a lot yeah the schedule yeah speaking of normal yeah well we you know

we've obviously known the Eagles opponents since the end of week 18 but most people don't really look at it right until the team's eliminated and you're kind of have a sense of what the team's going to be like so

yeah looking at the schedule for next year these are the opponents obviously the actual schedule will be released in Usually it's May. That looks good, Julia. Nicely done. We've got, yeah, so if you look at the screen there.

I know you created the graphic, Dennis. I'm talking about the picture and picture. It really is like every... You always know what is this font? What font is that, by the way? Every single... So the font is Adobe Garamont. Okay.

It's the only font that I ever use. Yeah, I noticed that. And also... It is a good-looking font. I have gotten so many Turkish undergraduates into top American graduate programs by insisting that they put their resume and their statement of purpose in this font. You know, not to take...

How many are you talking to? Not to take any, like tens and tens of students. So not to take credit away from them. I mean, they had nice... It feels like you're taking credit away from them in a major way. Listen, I mean, here's the thing, right? There are a lot of good students out there.

I mean, you're competing against the best students in the world. When you're trying to get into, like, a PhD program at Yale or Stanford, something like that. I mean, you're trying to get into the, you know, You know, you're going up against... They want to go to those Ivy League football meetings. It's that little Ivy League football reunions. Meet Julian.

The, like, small difference of the font when you're reading a statement of purpose or looking at a resume is massive. And so Garamond is the only font that I use. It's the only font that... Formatting, too. I mean, let's... Well, yeah. I mean, all those colors are the official team colors of each team, which I made sure to get

right. But yeah, there we go. So there will be no gauntlet next year. No matter what order you put these games in, there can't really be a gauntlet. There are eight games against teams that made the playoffs. And that's counting Dallas twice. You know, this is the number of games. So there were 11 this last year.

Wow. You could do a gauntlet. I mean, but it wouldn't be... I don't know if Pittsburgh's Barbaugh. It was a historical. It was like Cincinnati. If they get Boroughback could be the best team in the league. Rams could be good.

Anyone could be the best team in the league. That Packers team could be really good. You could order it. But yeah. But like, okay, but listen, I mean, Canalis is coming to town. Like, who knows what kind of challenges that's going to pose. The, uh,

there are three games against teams that made the divisional round. There were seven last year. And 12 plus win teams. I feel like this Canalis thing is going to be a run video. Unfortunately, unfortunately so. Yeah. I do feel a little bad. That game is good for that.

Good for them for like speaking their truth. I appreciate that. I'm going to take it on face value. See, we're getting through these things. We're getting that. But there's no way that I'm going to forget about that ever. That's the only thing I'm ever going to think of when I look at that guy. And also that game was going to have so little juice otherwise.

Like we just fixed the problem of the like the most juiceless game next year is going to, is going to. So the 12 plus win teams, there are only three games against those teams. And two of them are Dallas. Okay. The only other one is Baltimore. This last year, there were not only six games against 12 plus win teams. Five of them were in a row. That was the gauntlet, right?

So I'm just saying, like, you don't even have the ingredients for that kind of, that level of gauntlet here. All right, Zach, let me ask you this. When I used to work for the Eagles, Chris McPherson and I, you know, we split the road games. Now, we did that with the schedule in mind, so the dates mattered. But let's say we were doing it ahead of time. Yeah. You and I are going to draft those eight away games. Okay.

I'll give you first pick. You want to do 1-1-1-1-1, or you want to just go 1-1-1-1-1. Should I have read the opponents for the people listening, by the way? Sure, yes. So, yeah, home is Atlanta, Carolina, Green Bay, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, and Jacksonville, and then the division games. And away is Tampa Bay, New Orleans, Rams, Baltimore, and Cincinnati. And two of those are repeats from this year.

You know what? I sometimes forget about the audio listeners. I can bring that out. I want to give a little me a Coppa. I had been speaking for a few weeks that watch out for the Eagles having an international game this year because they have one extra home game and they haven't given up a home game to go internationally. You have to do one every eight years. Well, the Europe games were already announced and the Eagles are not a home team in those.

And they're not on the road against any of those teams. So the only way the Eagles are international next year is if they play in Brazil. The Brazil game hasn't been announced. And that would be an Eagles home game if it happens? Aren't they one of the Brazil teams? They are not a Brazil team. Okay. What about the game in Doha?

There's no game in Doha yet. Yeah. But yeah, at some point. So there's still a chance that one of the home games will move to Brazil? There's a chance, but... Canales hits Rio. Oh, no. Oh, gosh.

I hope it's not during... But typically those games go to the games with the Internet, like the International rights holder of that market and I don't have a big fan base in Brazil. The Eagles markets internationally are New Zealand, Australia, and then Africa. I just think they just got. They got the entire continent of Africa. That's the way a lot of, you know, the white world views Africa. There you go.

I need to talk to somebody because. I thought it was specifically Ghana within that. Yeah. I need to talk to somebody because American football is like definitely big enough in Turkey that it would be like. super well received. Just get them on the phone with Roger. I actually think that that would be a good decision.

Like, it's not just because I'm Turkish and I live there. How are the stadiums in Turkey? Oh, the stadiums are really good. Because that's like the first thing that they do. Oh, that's, the stadiums are great. I mean, like, Turkey's hosted multiple Champions League finals. Yeah, we'll be hosting the European Championships coming up. I will love a trip to this.

Yeah, no. The stadiums are easily good enough. We teased it. We'll do the draft real quick. Yeah, sorry. You go, if you, it's going to go one to one, one, one, one. You can pick whether you would rather go first or second. I'll go second.

Okay. You can get first pick. I would take New Orleans. Okay. I knew you were going to Orleans. Yeah, I like New Orleans. You want a Giacomo's meal or you're more of a hurricane guy on. No, I'm not a hurricane guy.

No, the food, too much. The food is great. It's a great weekend. It's a downhill, I feel. I haven't been to New Orleans since he was playing the playoffs there. I feel it's gone downhill. Okay, well, then I'm definitely going to Rams then. Sure.

Great stadium. Always enjoy L.A. So yeah You get another one Oh I thought we were going one one one one one No I said one two one one That's you got to pick whether you got Okay

So then yeah it's not a great road schedule otherwise You know what I guess I guess I would do I guess I'll do Cincinnati Because Because you only go one or to every eight years although the 17th game now is a chance it could be sooner, but you get to see a good game.

Joe Burroughs back. You can stay downtown and walk. There's some good restaurants in Cincinnati, easy flight. And it's a different city. If you time it up well, when the college football weekend, maybe you can go to Columbus that morning. And on the day before, see an Ohio State game. Ohio State's absolutely loaded next year.

They just got Julian saying, and they got downs from Alabama. So, yeah, so I would go with Cincinnati. Yeah, this is tough. The rest of it's not that exciting. I would just go Dallas. Okay, well, then give me Tampa, right? Yeah, you love Tampa. Yeah, easy flight, good food.

You know, I can get burned steakhouse in there. You love Burns. Yeah, I would take Baltimore, give me the trip to that stadium, even though we went for preseason last year. Okay, you got the quick drive then. You take the Giants, I take Washington. That's, unfortunately. Yeah.

Okay. You guys like crab cakes? I love crab cakes. Grab cakes and football. That's like my kind of food. I can't be, like, working on getting the crab out of the food. I'm trying to fight against disagreeing with you. Crab cakes, me, are overrated.

Just give me the crab meat. I want the crab meat. Too often, the crab cake is too much filling. It's one of the biggest, like, things of, like, you need a good one. Yes, yes. Because a bad one will just be filling. Yes. Yeah, yeah.

I'd much rather just give me some crab meat. My dad lives in the Maryland Eastern Shore now, so it's a good excuse to get some crab cakes. All right, we do need to close, Danes, unless you've got any more. Trenchingles' thoughts with I know you're a man who likes to think through things Oh man The time machine problem Where are you leaning

So this is so hard for me Like I don't want to go back and change anything We need to find rules Yeah like it's like Part of me is like Okay I want to go back and see Like the the Mayan ball game or something You know like something crazy like that

Where it would be like awesome to go see it right But the moment I get out of that time machine Into like the Mayan civilization Yeah boom you're dead. Oh, well, like, it would take like 14 seconds for them to identify me, realize I should be killed and kill me. Well, what if I thought

you were a god? That would be interesting. I think that's on the table. In fifth grade, Joy and I did something called Maya Quest, where we don't know about the Mayas. That's not the way I want to experience it either. I thought we were not talking about your fifth grade class. We're not, but we did Maya Quest in fifth grade,

yeah. Maya Quest, that's good. I would want to go back and like, observe as a like if I could like get into the if I could look like someone from then if that's part of it you get to disguise yourself disguise myself in a way where it's like who

no one's saying like who is this freak okay okay no one would say that in general then like I would want to go back to like different eras of Istanbul for example like like before the before the like during the Byzantine times and like and I would

hang out in the same neighborhood Oh, I like that. For like one day in like the 1,200s, you know, and then in the 1,500s, and then in the 18th, you know what I mean? I like that's kind of go through. And then eventually, like, slowly bring it back to the times that I know. That would be really cool to kind of see that kind of transition. You need the guarantee that you're not going to get, like, beheaded. Or changing anything in your life.

Oh, yeah, not changing anything. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like, the conquest will still happen. You just observe. It's not just going to, the Byzantine Empire will not just, like, remain or whatever. because then, you know, I wouldn't really exist then. But, yeah, I, but I also, I'm not beheaded. I asked Emily this morning, and the first question was, can I take things?

I was like, what would you take? Like, you know, like gold and guns? And I was like, gold and guns. Like, where are you going? And then she was like, well, you know, I would need to like buy things and protect myself. And then she said, she said, actually, I'd want to go back to like the dinosaurs. I thought about that too, yeah. But then I was like, wouldn't they just eat you?

And she said, that's why I'm taking guns. And I was like, wait, what? You're using the time machine so you can go kill dinosaurs? Like, just go shoot dinosaurs. Like, it's not enough that we've damaged current animals. We have to go back. Their number one goal is you go shoot some dancers. I loved her answer.

It was just like, yeah, it's so good. All right. I like that. No, that's what the luxury of having a chance to think it considers. Sure, yeah. Tough spot for you. Yeah, which is a lot different than most things in our show. Often the open of the show.

Yeah. Okay. All right. You feel good about Google? Look, there's different ways I could have answered that question. I'm not ashamed that the one thing, and I brought this up before the show. I did want to point this out because I never want to come. kind of like talk money on the show.

But for the purpose... That's all you talk about. No. Is getting more? No. Is that like you acted like investing in Google's IPO would all of a sudden make it, would not all of it, would suddenly like make it such that you never have to ever work again. Okay.

And I think you're over estimating what Google's idea was. Well, it was more of like a placeholder device for using, you know, You go back and you invest in something that appreciates greatly over time. So that, like the Google's IPO, I say that because that was within our lifetime, but there have been IPOs before our lifetime that would be more beneficial to be a part of. So in any event, it was more replacing. There's a reason that in Back to the Future, Biff, who is like the cartooning kind of evil character, is the one who thinks like, I'm going to use this time machine to make money by betting on

these things. And that's like exactly what you're saying. So it makes a lot of sense to question how that's like the first thing you think of. That wasn't the first thing. It was, it was, uh... Well, I mean, it was the first thing. No, it wasn't the first thing. I just simply, I'm not trying to like, uh, I mean, there's stuff with family. I would like to go back to, uh, if it's a matter of like only observation. There's a lot of things that would occur. Yeah, we didn't really talk through that. We didn't set the parameters. If it's like you get to relive your life in your own body for a day. That's a different conversation.

Like go, like, do a day in high school or something. Like, that would be, like, crazy, like, to look back and remember, like, what that's like. like, there's things that, like, you would want to change about history, but I was simply, it's like a placeholder device is the IPO of a, obviously, enormous company. It's funny that you would then use that to get compound interest and become a billionaire, and you would still be waiting for Jalen Hertz. to come out from getting dressed.

If you're passionate about what you do, I love doing this job. So I hope to continue. Well, I hope I keep kind of improving and progressing. But yeah, I'm not, I always want to. I've said this for the five years we've done the show. I want to work until I'm literally not able to work anymore. Okay.

I stand by that one. All right. That'll do it for this episode of the P.H.L.Y. Eagles podcast. Wait, wait, wait, real quick. Let's just set up next week. Next week. Yes. I'm heading down to Mobile, Alabama for the Senior Bowl. Good food down there in Mobile. Solid food. It's like a lighter version of New Orleans. It's a lot of the New Orleans flare without the volume. So, yeah, I've had a lot of good meals. Some with you in Mobile. I look forward to it. I love being in Mobile.

So you will have somebody else with you on the show on Monday and Thursday. Maybe I'll dip in on Tuesday. I hope so. I think we're going to have a special show on Wednesday from Mobile. We'll figure all that out. I'll be back on Friday. But yeah, a little P.H.O.Y. Eagles podcast on the road. And then we're really on the road the next week.

We're going to Vegas. Yes. Zach's favorite place in the world. You know why? It's all about that money. It's all about that money. It's good food. It's good food.

Shield made this point. Every single place you say has good food, so it's not, there is no differentiating factor to it. There's no place that doesn't have good food. And as I said that, it's the shield, and I stand by this, in life, you find what you're looking for. If you're looking to find a reason to complain about something, you'll find a reason to complain. If you're looking to find joy in something, you can find the joy. But if you're looking to find a good meal, you can find a good meal. If you're, any person that's like, you can't get a good meal there,

they're just looking to complain. They're not actually looking to get a good meal. So that's like a matter of attitude. I've told this to you before. You're as happy as you want to be, right? So I believe. I think that's a little bit unfair. I think it's unfair to like the clinical depression.

Yeah, I think it's unfair to like the 99% of people who aren't as happy as they want to be to say that. Okay. I like Las Vegas because it's good food, good weather. I enjoy a blackjack table from time to time. Okay, you never have to turn your head very far to see a sports game on television. It's that you typically don't have to rent a car because you can get from place to place walking or by public transit. The airport's close to... What's the Waymo situation?

I don't believe Vegas has Waymo. Yeah. But so anyways. Seems like the kind of lawless place that would. Yes. Well, I mean, I don't want to deviate from this. We can get into the safety rates of a waymo car versus. Oh, no, no, no.

I'm totally pro driverless cars. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think anything's more dangerous than human drivers. Yes, thank you. So that's great. But as I was saying about mobile. Yeah, you find good food there as you can in Vegas.

But I bring us up. The Constitution is legal? I wouldn't know that. Does Carolina have a game in Vegas next year? Senior Bowl is kind of almost the official start, I would say. Yes. Of our P-H-L-Y draft coverage, which I'm confident is going to be kind of comprehensive and informative and nuanced during these next few months.

So Bo is going to get his eyes on these players. He's going to be there talking to valuable people. and it's the start really. It's January 26th now. So really, we're looking at three months until the draft. And this is a time where that coverage is going to kick into higher gear. All right. Well, we certainly look forward to that.

And that's it. Thanks for listening. Thanks for watching. Thank you to Danes for taking time. Thanks to Julia for making it all happen. Thanks to Zach for putting up with all of the nonsense. We appreciate everybody listening and watching. We will talk to you on Monday.

And as always, we love you.