PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | Philadelphia Eagles 53-man roster projections: Will James Bradberry make the cut?

Episode Date: August 16, 2024

Fresh off the Eagles’ dynamic 14-13 victory over the New England Patriots in the second preseason game, we’re taking a look at the full roster and our expectations for who will be on the team come September 6 when the season opens. Will James Bradberry’s safety sidequest be achieved? Will Brett Toth finally cross the line? What about Kenny Pickett???Zach Berman and Bo Wulf recap the things you need to know about the Eagles as the team forges ahead to the final week of the preseason. Join the fun. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody, and welcome to the PHOI Eagles podcast on a Friday, 2 o'clock. Happy hour time. If you're quitting early, Zach Berman would never do that. He is here on, what, two and a half hours of sleep. He's made his way from the bowels of Gillette Stadium back to Philadelphia and off to the Jersey Shore. How are you doing, my man? I'm doing well. That 2 o'clock happy hours, is that the thing you customarily do?

Are people at happy hour right now? It's a summer Friday. Sometimes you get half days on summer Fridays, quit early. Okay. I was in the quiet car and the train coming back from Providence today. It's going great to then. I forgot you were taking the train back. How long did that take?

Five hours, five, fifteen. Did you get any sleep on the train? Got about two, two and a half hours of sleep, yeah. So that helped. But it was going great. But then there was one woman there who was having like a really loud conversation on the phone, on the quiet train. On the quiet car? On the quiet car.

I'm surprised it wasn't executed. Everyone was kind of turning around, turning around, and then the conductor comes through. I don't know. Very sternly, yeah. He says, I'm the only one who's allowed to speak. This is a quaricle. That's what he said. I'm the only one who's allowed to speak in this car.

I was like, wow. That was his opening line? That's what he said. That's how he told her to stop. Yeah, I'm the one who's allowed to speak in this car. And what did she do? She got off her conversation. Well, I didn't know if she got off the phone or if she moved cars potentially.

I mean, it could have been a mistaken. Yeah, perhaps. She knew that she was in a quiet car. I don't know the answer to that. I did not have a conversation with her. I had my AirPods in the entire. You knew not you knew not to talk to her. That would be rude.

No, that would be violating the rules of the quiet car. Yes. I think my, I re-listened. I had you and Jamie as my companion in the train. I was listening to the show from last night. The thing with the quiet car is, do you find yourself hyper-tuned to other noises that you're making? Like, if you're breathing loud or like, let's say you were eating something,

if you were like a munching on a potato chip or something like that? Oh, that was too loud for the quiet car. No, I really need. In the absence of sound, any little thing becomes voluminous. It's hard to say. I had the AirPods in the whole time, so I don't know the right answer to that. But I was listening to you and Jamie. I was reading coverage from around the Eagles beat on the game last night.

I didn't get to rewatch the game yet. As you mourned me, the Wi-Fi on the train is not really great for streaming a game back. But I was there. I have a lot of thoughts. I'm ready to roll. Well, we will get to that. And we will go through our current 53-man roster projections as a way to take a scope of where things stand in the moment.

But, Zach, do you go, I just need the follow-up. Do you go noise canceling on the AirPods or you go transparent or you go the in-between one? Adaptive? Yeah. Is that, yeah, I do adapt. Okay. Yeah, I feel like it's a go noise cancelling, not on an airplane. It kind of gives me a headache.

Oh, it doesn't give me a headache. I like the noise canceling, but the adaptive is great because if you speak, the sound on the AirPods go down. So I like that. You love technology. Yes, I do love technology. All right. Let's get to it, Zach.

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And I think this is very easy. This is what the whole city is talking about, Zach. And you walk outside and everybody's shouting at you. Hey, is it going to be Tanner McKee is the two? Aren't they going to throw Kenny Pickett overboard? Let's talk about it. We talked about it last night. But I don't think that sleep, a good night's sleep for most of us,

has deterred the way that most people feel. Tanner McKee is the better quarterback than Kenny Pickett right now. How long will it take for the Eagles to admit that? That's a leading question, right? Because you're not asking me, is Tanner McKee the better quarterback? You're saying Tanner McKee is the better quarterback. How long will the Eagles take to think that? I'm a journalist.

I'm telling the truth. Okay, well, you're giving your opinion. That's not an opinion. That is an opinion that Tanner McKee is the better quarterback thing. It's not. It's fact. This is like, this is like Mackay Beckton is not the starting right guard yet. Yes, he is.

Okay, so I believe I agree Kenny Pickett has been outplayed by Tanner McKee. So I'll start with that. There are different factors at place in the game, at least last night. I think that's why this conversation needs to go beyond simply the game last night. The game last night, there were factors beyond, I don't want to say beyond picket's control because he has the ball every play. But he's going up against the first team defense. as Nick Siriani said, there was a lot of pressure in his face more so than with McKee. But I do think, and I'll give you credit because you identified this early on,

McKee gets rid of the ball quicker. I think he makes quicker decisions. And the offense seems to run better with McKee in there. There isn't, there's parts of Pickett's game that McKee can't duplicate. The mobility in particular, extending plays. McKee does not do that nearly as well. but yeah, McKee has has played better, has shown more promise. Pickett has starting experience in this league.

It depends how much the Eagles value that. So I'm going to turn this around to you here because this is what I want to know. Do you think the Eagles are clinging to the idea of Pickett as the number two because of the investment that they made? Or do you think it's because of the overall evaluation of Pickett that includes the context of his first two seasons in the NFL? perhaps their evaluation of him coming out of pit in addition to the investment that they made. I think the answer is neither. I think they are not actually clinging to it. I think they are saying that they are clinging to it.

I mean, the degree to which they are professing, there's nothing to see here. Kenny Pickett is our number two. I think you have been around long enough, Zach, to know that the louder that comes from the building, the less true it is. I think they see what we see and they have to figure out the right way and the most delicate way to move forward knowing that. That's what I think is happening because I also think it's not just last night's game

that last night's game reflected what we have seen all summer. It's the same style of play issue. Tanner McKee gets rid of the ball. Kenny Pickett does not. It's the same thing we saw last summer. You know, I wrote the column after the same thing. second preseason game last year that Tanner McKee should be the number two over Marcus Marriota for a lot of these same reasons. And I think if you just think about what would actually

happen in a game, like if Kenny Pickett is the backup quarterback, it becomes the Kenny Pickett show. It's like how much a little, like how much frenicism can he do, can he escape the rush, is he going to get rid of the ball, what kind of play is he going to make? If Tanner McKee is the quarterback with AJ Brown and Devante Smith and Dallas Goddard and Sequin and Berkeley, he's going to get rid of the ball and give the better players on the field a chance to help you win games it's going to be there's going to be so much higher upside i think that tair murkey is a is a good quarterback but aside from that if the eagles accept that how do they move forward i don't think they're going to cut him that would be silly right you know he's he would be overpriced for a third quarterback and his contract's guaranteed

but it's not it's not onerous it's a one and change this year two and change next year um i I think that they would love to trade him if they could. I think my guess is that they would probably be more open to a player for player trade so that it doesn't look like, well, you gave up fourth round value for him in April and now you're trading him for a sixth round pick. Like that wasn't a good deal. So I think that's a possibility. And then I think that the thing that we have talked about is on the table that maybe early

in the season, Kenny Pickett is the best. of quarterback game day. And Tanner McKee is the emergency quarterback on game day. But if something happens long term, it'll be a very short leash for Kenny Pickett. I just don't think the idea that they don't believe what everybody else has seen. And as I said last night, what everybody on the roster has seen over the course of the summer, like the eye in the sky don't lie, as I say, right? Like the tape doesn't lie.

They have a guy who is clearly better. and for like all the reasons that they've liked Kenny Pickett as cost-controlled assurance, Tanner McKee's even cheaper and has an extra year on his deal. So for a moment, don't be an evaluator, be a forecaster. Week one against the Green Bay Packers, who's the number two quarterback, who's the designated third quarterback? I think if they're both on the roster, Kenny Pickett is number two. I think right now there's a real chance that Kenny Pickett has traded. Okay. But that's my point is that I'm expecting Pickett to be the number two quarterback.

I do think they are honest when they say that, that Pickett's their number two. I don't agree with that at all. I don't think it's ironclad. But I think the way they view it right now is pickets their number two. McKee is their number three. Because I, because if there was a game tomorrow, I think you need a little bit more skepticism about the things that they say to you on the podium. I'm not even talking about what they say at the podium. I'm saying based on how and this is what you just said.

If in Brazil, you said you think Pickett's the number two quarterback and McKee's number three. That's exactly what I just said. I'm not saying that's the way it should be. I don't think Pickett's been as lights out as, I'm sorry, McKee's been as as lights out as it might be portrayed. I thought, frankly, in the joint practice on Tuesday, Pickett outplayed McKee. But I do think on the, yeah, I do think on the aggregate this. summer, McKee has outplayed Pickett. I wrote in that 15-step guide, the Howie Rosman's offseason that you can find on all-P-H-L-Y.com,

before that the Eagles should give McKee the chance to win the backup job. That I didn't think they should add someone like Pickett. When they added someone like Pickett, I understood the impetus for it or the motivation for it, but I still believe that McKee should have had a more earnest job. or an earnest opportunity to win the number two job. I think if they went into Brazil, if the Brazil game was this weekend, Pickett would be number two,

McKee would be number three. I'm not saying that's the way it should be, but I do think that's the way it is. And I've been consistent with this is, I also think if G.O.N. Hertz went down for 10 games, six games, whatever it may be, then I think Pickett is the, I think they would start McKee. But what we don't know about McKee,

and I'm curious with that smirk on your faces for, we'll find that out in a second. What we don't know about McKee yet, okay, is you say how he would function with AJ Brown and Devonte Smith, and I get that, but how he would function against a top defense, against the defensive coordinator that's scheming for him, because that has not happened yet in the NFL.

Okay, but he would also have a much better offensive line. I mean, all of that. It's part of the big picture. I'm smiling because I just got the text message that I believe the third of these six cameos I have ordered for the seventh annual Ospreas has just been delivered. I look forward to watching that when the show is over. Thursday, 2 o'clock. You had that smirk there. Yeah.

The other thing I wanted to add is that it's not just the performance, the, the, balance of what they say and what they do, they have been giving Tanner McKee reps with the second team at the expense of Kenny Pickett, which is not a thing. But they have not given picket reps with the third team. Right, because I think it's a very delicate situation for them. Sure. They have to handle it. And that's why I think that they might lean towards the picket too early in the season. But when push comes to shove, I think that Howie Roseman knows, and they all believe that Tanner McKee is their actual second best. quarterback. I wouldn't disagree with you there. And I think that's why, I think one of the issues

that they could honestly run into is if you're shouting from the mountaintop, that competition is a core value. And you're all about your core values. Then, and like you mentioned, the team sees it. And you go in. So how much does that way? If what matters as much as competition is, whether the equity that you spent to acquire the player, the context of when he was drafted, what your evaluation might have been out of college. If that comes into it, then you can't earnestly say to the team,

this is about, you know, this is, we're all about competition here, right? Because I would agree. Tanner McKee has outplayed. Can he pick it this summer? But I do think they would try to fight you on the technicality of it, of going up against the starters. of the difference between second team and 13.

Yeah, I get that, but I don't need to be football explained. Like we've been watching pre-season for a decade. Yes. Like, I can tell the difference. Yeah. Now, look, I think the practices way more, those factor in more to me than the preseason games because we've seen guys get hot in preseason games.

I've seen, I saw Tim Tebow play decently in a fourth preseason game against the Jets, right? There's a difference. There's a difference between a guy running around and making plays versus a guy getting the ball out on the top of his drop in the face of a rush, throwing guys open. And Kenny Pickett is like he looks like he's never seen a blitz before every time he gets blitzed. Yeah. And look, the other thing, too, is the Steelers fan base is not surprised by this. I mean, if you talk to people in Pittsburgh, it's like, yeah, we could have told you this, right? So that, I always think of the scenario we like to bring up.

If you're an opposing team, if J-Elin goes down and you're an opposing team, who would you rather face? Would you rather face Pickett or would you rather face McKee? And I think the opposing teams would rather face Pickett because I think of the arm talent that McKee presents. Can he pick it for Quentin Johnson, who says no? So now Easton Sticks getting kicked to the curve, which is kind of funny because decent stick was interested in signing with the Eagles, right? Who says no?

Probably the Chargers, honestly. Interesting. I don't know the answer to that, but I also don't think the Vikings are like rushing to get Kenny Pickett. I mean, Sam Darnold's here for that reason. I don't think that's, I think that's a situation that would make more sense is Los Angeles where, or somewhere where they're really more worried about the backup, not someone who should compete as a starter. Sure. All right. Well, let's use this to begin our, Ross.

Okay. If I could just ask you this, and we'll have time to discuss it, third preseason game. Do you think it's Pickett v. McKee in that game, or do you think that they're acting very delicately here? I don't think that Kenny Pickett's going to play. I think they want, I think they want Kenny Pickett on ice right now. I think they'll give McKee a chance to play a half, and maybe we'll be a chance to play a whole half or something like that. I don't know. What do you think?

I guess the idea of the Will Greer thing last night was to get him a series in case that they don't play him in game three. So I don't know. Maybe they will both play. What do you think? Well, yeah, they thought McGree deserved the series. I think that you'll see less of Pickett and less of McKee. I think you'll see a lot of Will Greer next week. Okay.

All right. Let's get to our 53-man roster projections as a way to wrap around all these conversations from last night. I think I would be surprised if you and I don't have the exact same thing here. I've got all three guys on the roster at the moment. Yeah, I have the same three guys. I don't have them trading. Can he picket right now? Certainly wouldn't rule that out.

Let me ask you this, Bo. What if a team has watched McKee is really intrigued? And they offer something from McKee. Would you trade McKee? What are they offering? A third. A third. Ooh, interesting.

I mean, that might be high. But that's spicy. I mean, I probably wouldn't. We're talking about. He's a camp coach. Evolutionary Nick Foles, but. I think people need to get over. I think people need to stop the evolutionary Nick Foles thing.

I mean, look, a six, six, like a tall quarterback's not necessarily Nick Foll's. He's a good player. Yeah, I think Nick Foles had a little more athleticism than he did. I think, I don't think Nick Foles. I think Nick Foles, I think Nick Foles was. a little bit more of, I think Foles's game was, was different than McKees.

Yeah, he only won one Super Bowl. McKee's going to win multiple. But as I said on the postgame show last night, which you can still watch the replay if you missed that on our YouTube channel or wherever you get your podcasts. In 2017, Foles did not play at all in the preseason. Before his injury, he really struggled. He barely was there in the spring.

and there was concern. There was concern about Nick Foles going into that year. And then they kind of let, you know, Foles got healthy. He got some confidence, obviously, in the playoffs and went on a heater. But it's not without precedent that a backup quarterback struggles. They hang with him. And then that guy catches fire. All right.

How about running back, Zach? You've got Sequin Barkley, Kenny Gainwell, and Will Shipley, all locks to make the roster. Do you have any inclination to include Tyrian Davis Price, Kendall Milton, or Lou Nichols? Right now I have three because I think the three that you mentioned would be on practice squad. Or I think they would get through waivers go on practice squad. I don't think there's a push to keep the fourth unless one of them is returning kickoffs or punts for you or have some meaningful special teams role. I don't anticipate that being the case. We haven't talked about as much.

I did write this yesterday on all pHLY. that I think Davis Price has intrigued me as a runner. Now, he can't catch the ball, but he has a big physical running style. And I think in games, he ran well last night. Yeah. And the first game, too, against the Ravens as well. Yeah, he's broken some tackles and he's showed some patience and some violence as a runner. So I do think that there is reason to be intrigued with TDP.

I also only have three running backs. And this is one where I'm thinking of this, like I think the week, I think the initial 53-man roster might look a little bit different than the week one, 53 men roster. Right now, I have 27 on defense and only 23 on offense as the split. So we can get to that as we keep going. Yeah, my split is I have 24 on offense, so therefore 26 on defense and three on specials. Okay. Well, before we keep going, Zach, let's talk about our friends at Rite Aid.

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Then you've also got your sagebrush, your tumbleweed, your pigweed, your dust mites, your pet dander and fur. And all of that stuff floating around in the air, you know, it hits some of us harder than others. And an allergic reaction occurs when your body misidentifies a substance such as pollen that is as harmful to the body. And then your immune system releases histamines to fight off the allergens. Interestingly enough, these same histamines are also the cause of your allergy symptoms, such as a runny nose, itchy, or watery eyes. or wheezing. That's why antihistamines, medication that suppresses the amount of histamine in your body are often the first line of defense to treating your allergy symptoms. And those antihistamines, well, a lot of them available over-the-counter at Rite Aid. You can try nasal rinse to help flush out

your nasal passages. When symptoms are flaring up or when you know that pollen counts are high, try antihistamines such as Loradidine, which is like Claritin, or Satyrazine, which is like Zyrtec, and one to two weeks before pollen allergies are expected to be high, you can try those nasal corticosteroids like Flutocosone, which is Flonase, and Triam Cinellone, synalone, which is naysicor. You know what? I almost nailed that. I thought I was three for three, and then triam sinalone tripped me up a little bit. I'm going to have to work on that one.

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What if you were sitting next to a snorer, someone who snored and was loud? That would be tough. Yeah. Yeah, you know, they're trying to adhere to the rules, but they fell asleep and they snore. And when that person woke up, woke up, I would turn to them. And I would say, let me tell you about my friends at Sleep Healthy PA. Because at Sleep Healthy PA, they are committed to helping Philadelphia residents and perhaps and track riders as well. Stop the snore and find solutions for sleep apnea that will allow you to rest well and improve your health.

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All right, Zach. Let's talk about tight ends as we move our way down. Now, E.J. Jenkins, nice game yesterday. Made a couple of flashy plays, but also suffered an injury down the stretch, was able to get off under his own power. We don't know what's going on there just yet. Grant Calcutera, Dallas Goddard, locks. How do you see the third tight end playing out here? Yes, so this is an interesting one.

On my 53, I had E.J. Jenkins on it right now. Me too. And that's interesting. And that's from an evaluation more than a forecasting. I don't know if that's the path they would go. I think E.J. Jenkins has been the third best tight end on the Eagles this summer. I think that he's been, he offers you more than C.J. Usama. I don't know why they would keep C.J. Usama on the 53.

I think he's someone that you cut. You put on practice squad. You can elevate him. I think what your, Alberto has been out this week. As we mentioned, this was a critical week. So I don't see a third who's better than E.J. Jenkins. Now what they could do is they could keep two, go deeper at a different position, see what happens on the waiver wire, figure out the third tight end thereafter. So if we're kind of talking about the initial 53, it wouldn't surprise me if they only kept two.

I'm sorry that you keep hearing the text on my phone on my computer. Yeah, it's a chain that you and I are on together. Yeah, I'm trying to figure out how to get the text to stop. ringing on the computer. Oh, I don't hear the ding on your, on your end. Oh, you don't hear the ding. Okay. All right.

Good. That's what I felt bad about. So I think they could keep two, but if they kept three and for the sake of my 53, I have them keeping three because they don't go into the game. They, they don't go into a game with only two tight ends. In that case, I have E.J. Jenkins. Yeah, we see it. Marissa, stop texting during the show.

she says that Marissa says hi to the sickos this is a position Zach where I think the Just like just like Michael Dunn said hi to Kenny Pickett Yeah to kind of loop this all together Marissa says hi to the sickos

This is a position where I think some of the new roster math machinations may come into play Now remember the league made a rule change this year that you can place guys on injured reserve on the day of roster cutdowns and they are not out for the season. They can be placed on IR to return to come back at cutdowns. So let's say E.J. Jenkins or Albert O for whatever reason, they want to hold a guy like that.

I think that that's possible. I also think this is a spot where like if you don't love E.J. Jenkins, but you want to keep him in the building, and you want to find a different third tight end, the order of operations would probably make more sense to do, you just keep C.J. Uzama on roster cutdown day and hope that E.J. Jenkins makes it through waivers. You put him on practice squad, and then when you add your actual third tight end,

then you cut C.J. Uzama, and maybe you're able to bring him back after week one, something like that. But right now, I have EJ. Jenkins as the third tight end. Okay, so you and I are on the same wavelength. there. And just to follow up on your point, because that is an important distinction if you're doing your 53s. In the past, if you place the guy on IR before cut down or on cutdown day, he'd be missing for the season. This year, you're allowed to have two players like that. So it's not as many as you want. It's two players in particular. Correct. All right. Wide receiver, Zach, another position where some injury news last night, Johnny Wilson, in the concussion protocol, John Ross.

went into the concussion protocol after what I thought was his best display of juice this season, getting past Christian Gonzalez. Right now I have A.J. Brown, Devante Smith, Johnny Wilson, Britton Covey. I think those guys are all locks to make the team. And right now, I have Paris Campbell on the team, but I don't feel good about that. And I think that I think this is one where he might be here on cut down day and gone the next day, or not on the team at all. So two things.

You and I have the same wide receiver quintet here. So I'm happy that I'm learning from you here following along. But I, well, I just say three things. Two, I have the same trepidation regarding Paris Gamble. Third, I want to applaud both of us here because I do not like 53 man projections that says like a receiver they're going to add later here. Yeah, I don't like that. That's too.

Well, I think if you're specific, you can, you know, if you're saying this receipt, if you're saying Quentin Johnson, John Mechie, Terris Marshall Jr., right? I'm okay with that. But if you're like a wide receiver is not on the roster, I don't like that. Because they have to actually, yeah, I mean, they have to get to the 53. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, so now they could trade. I don't know what we need to be applauded for our bravery, but. But no, you operate with the facts at hand here. Paris Campbell, the injury did slow his momentum. I still think that they value the experience there. I think they valued the skill set there. We kind of talk about, you know, a vested veteran. The contract's guaranteed if he's on the roster week one.

I don't think there's so much money there that that's a concern. I think that the upside of Paris Campbell is probably more appealing to them. So my guess right now is Paris Campbell's the fifth. It is, I'm glad you brought up the injuries, because it is noteworthy this week. Johnny Wilson and John Ross both have concussions. Five important practices coming up for the Eagles. You never know how long concussion keeps a player out.

You hope for their sake, for that long-term sake, it's not long. But Johnny Wilson was competing for the number three job. John Ross was competing for a 53 job, and these injuries could affect both of those situations. And we've got to say if Paris Gamble can get back on the field. Yeah, he was limited in practice on Tuesday. My guess is when they practiced Saturday he will be playing. You and I have just spent a long time talking about the wide receivers,

and we have not even mentioned, Zach, the fifth round pick, who neither of us has on the roster. Any chance for a Nia Smith. Look, there's a chance he plays lights out in the third preseason game. He'll get a lot of work in the third preseason game. I don't anticipate a Nia Smith making the team. No. Yeah.

How about yesterday's star Joseph Ngata? You know, we should talk about Joseph and Gata. Because he played well yesterday. I think I could be convinced. Like, let's say that Johnny Wilson injury lingers. Then maybe Ngata sneaks through as the fifth guy for week one. But even in that scenario, I don't see anything long term. I just, I mean, that was a really nice performance.

And you feel happy for him. but that's not the kind of thing that we've seen over the course of the summer. And to get back to the question about the wide receiver from elsewhere, do you anticipate, because we both agree they're going to look, do you anticipate something done before cuts a la C.J. Garner Johnson, or do you anticipate something done after cuts when they see the waiver wire? So a trade would be before cuts, a claim would be after cuts. I think it might be both.

Oh, okay, so you think two new players could be in here? I think, yeah, I think, I think if it's going to be a trade and someone of significance, who they view as their third wide receiver, that will happen before cuts. And then I think they might also claim a guy who just has a little bit of juice that they might be interested in. Would you do Eli Ricks? And that would be the guy who pumps like Paris Campbell or whatever. Would you do Eli Ricks for Terrace Marshall Jr.? I don't know that I have a strong opinion of Terrace Marshall Jr.

But I'm not, I would be inclined to say yes without looking into Harris Marshall closer. My understanding is he's coming off a really strong performance in the joint practices that the Panthers played, that he is someone that they would move. I don't think they would move, even though the Panthers added Xavier Leggett and Deonté Johnson this offseason, I don't think they were, that they would move Jonathan Mingo. So I think if you're looking for a young receiver on Carolina, then I think I think Terrace Marshall Jr. would be the one you would look for. What about the evening? That's a good question.

I'll do some digging there. But I think they would be interested in a corner from the Eagles. Yeah, they just lost Dane Jackson. Right? So they're hurting bad at corner. And the Eagles certainly have a glut there. All right, offensive line, Zach, this is so far. I didn't have any changes from the last time.

I do have one change here. You've got the starting five. You've got Tyler Steen. You've got Fred Johnson. I think you would view those seven as locks. I also have Trevor Kegan on the team. I think he's close to a lock. I think Dylan McMahon is close to a lock as well.

That's nine. And that's it. That's all I have. I do not have Brett Toeat. I do not have Matt Hennessy. I do not have Darren Kinnart. So this is our first discrepancy. I have

I have Darying Kinnard here as the 10th I agree with you I think that's a better I think that's a better pick than Toh I agree Kagan's a lock I think McMahon's a lot I think McMahon's better than Toh I would have played McMahon with the second team

Yeah I think this is One of three footing around trying to get too cute about not showing him too much But like you don't have to do that anymore Like He's the backup center Matt Hennessy I saw him last night leaving the locker room. There's an injury here.

I believe Ross Tucker said that. I didn't get a chance to watch Ross. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When Nick Gates first went in at right guard, he said that Hennessy wasn't playing tonight. Yeah, Hennessy was walking very gingerly. Can you be very gingerly or just gingerly? Is there other degrees of gingerly?

Yeah, there's ginger's degrees of gingerly. Okay. So, yeah. I think you could modify unique too. Okay, but he was, he was, He was walking gingerly there to the bus. So there is something there that is impeding him. Brett Tooth, I get the versatility.

Can you play speculative doctor? Was this a groin? Was this a foot? Was this a leg? A knee? What did you think? What was he favoring? I would guess more like the groin hamstring area.

When you said walking gingerly, that sounded groiny to me. It sounds groiny to you. You think a gingerly is groin-y walk. Otherwise, you'd be like, I think you would have described it as like he was really favoring one side or the other. Yeah, it wasn't as much a limp as it was a gingerly, you know, you're careful. Okay. It could be hamstring. Let's be a Dr. David Chow or whatever.

Okay. But he was, he was walking. Well, that looks like a, that's like a third degree groin that he's got there. That could be three weeks. So, so. Hennessy, someone who I thought would make the 53 going into the summer. It's been with the third team hurt right now.

That's not the case. I don't think Toh is good. I think as much as he has the versatility, I don't think he's good enough at center. I don't know if he's good enough at tackle or guard to be the, to be on the 53. I don't know if someone's rushing to sign him. The Panthers did last year and quickly discarded him.

So I think he's someone you can keep on the practice squad. Yeah. The more that I've thought about it, I'm just, the more I'm calling BS on Stout's moves with Toh here for the reasons that you talked about. Like, I think that Tooth has actually had a pretty good summer. I don't think he played well last night. And it's nice that he provides that backup for all those spots. But you can get that on the practice squad. And I don't think that the league is going to view him as claimable.

And so, yeah, I think Kinnard has a chance. And he has some tackle guard versatility. But if you, and I also think this is one where obviously Steen's injury is going to play a big role. Because if Steen is actually out for a while, then they, then they do need to carry somebody else here. And then maybe it's Toe, maybe it's maybe it's Knaard. I also think the spot where they may add up, they may add somebody off the waiver wire. I think Knaar. Where did Kinnard rank in our, what's the game we played with the futures contracts players?

Yeah, it's a good question. Acquara won, right? Yes. But I don't remember the name of the game either. So, Karnar, they gave some real money to in the futures market, former fifth round pick. And we heard Lane Johnson's quote, but I think we're seeing the way they're using it in the preseason.

Now, Kagan played every snap last night. Karnar didn't play every snap last night. But Knaar didn't play every snap last night. But I played a lot of it. I played, what, 80%? Are thereabouts? But I think Knaar is a guy that is intriguing with the H-Pro. on the athletic profile and certainly the size too. Yeah.

We've got this. Are they hiding Denkoe by the way? Yeah, what's going on? I got to think they're hiding. They must be hiding him, right? Yeah. I mean, someone said to me, do you think they just don't think he's good? And I'm like, if they don't think he can play, they want to keep him on the roster

at this point, right? Yeah. If they're not going to, if they don't think he's good enough to get into the game, they're not just going to use the roster spot. So I think this is them not giving any teams film on him. but he's going to have to play that third game, right? And like, don't they want, don't they want Vakalahi to get out there just to see what an actual football game is like? Well, like, Vakalaki might not be ready to play football.

That's one because, yeah, there's a roster exemption there. But Dankwa, it wouldn't surprise, or perhaps if they wait until the third game, there's not enough phone on Dankwa at that point. Maybe they give Dancwa like the fourth quarter. By that point, teams have already kind of made their minds up. But, yeah, I think this is a hiding Dancua situation. I know it's too, it's almost too convenient. Like, it would put, I mean, if teams are paying that close attention, it would make you, it would make you want to claim him just to. Sure.

They're being too secretive about it. It's like, hell, you can't get this by on me, man. I don't see what you're doing. I watched the P.H.I. Eagle Show, but right, a bullwspin right on everything so far. I'm going to snatch him up. Yeah. Okay. Before we get to the defense cycle, I think we've got, we've both got all three specialists.

No, no, no, no Lovato, cut, resign. mechanics going on here. So we can talk about before we get to the defense. Sucking them back because a lot has changed over the years, my friend. But one thing that hasn't is the great taste of Miller Light. Another thing that hasn't is that Tanner McKee is better than Kenny Pickett. Also, Miller Light is less filling. So what is the best thing about the original light beer?

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Graham, Bryce Huff, Josh Sweat, Nolan Smith, JLX Hunt. Those guys are all locks. I have one little change here. Last time we talked, I had Terrell Lewis on for some reason. Yeah, he's off. He ran away from that one. But I have Patrick Johnson on the team right now. Stop reading my spreadsheet, man.

You and I. So far, we only have one difference, right? Yes, yes. That's good. Yeah, you know. Yeah. It's good we see. Look, this is.

Saffin Johnson has, he has brought real juice as a pass rusher in ways that are that are different than Nolan Smith, like where, like the, they have been real pass rush moves one-on-one. And we know that he's a big value add on special teams. Exactly. So I think this is a nice, this is one where you would imagine, like, you know, the, the thing we've talked about, like, oh, it's the worst day of the year. Like, you have to cut these guys. But the flip side to that is how good it feels to reward the guys who have earned their roster spots. I would imagine that like Nick Siriani getting to tell Patrick Johnson that he's made the team again is one that he will be really looking forward to. Well said, because if you talk about competition, he's earned a spot.

There's sometimes a thought in the NFL that when like a fringe player gets to the last year of his deal, you're less apt to keep him. You're more apt to keep someone with more term on their contract if things are equal. I get that. Patrick Johnson's been with the team for three years now. He's in year four. Hasn't distinguished himself entirely in the regular season. But I think he's earned it with the way he's played throughout the summer, throughout camp.

And you hit on the head in terms of special teams value. And the holdover on the staff from a coordinator perspective is Michael Clay. Eagles have a lot of new faces, but you know Michael Clay trusts Patrick Johnson. All right. Defensive tackle. Melton Williams, Morrow, Ajuma,

which we have to, I got to work on that. That's the actual pronunciation. Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis, those guys are locks. I have Marlon Tuipaloto on the roster as well.

And I have Thomas Booker on the roster. Same thing with Mipo. Wow. Yes, same thing. Carter, Davis, Williams. I called an Ojima.

It's a Jama. A Juma, is I believe. A Juma. Like a U, a Jama. Okay. Yes. Toie Palo, and Booker.

Despite what Vic Fangio said last week, I think they are going to keep a backup nose, and I think Marlon T is the backup nose. And then Booker, I think Booker's earned it. And similar to Knard, he's a young player with a decent, I mean, not high draft pedigree, but was drafted. Usually when you sign someone to a futures deal who was a recent draft pick, you're not just looking at the preseason film that that player had elsewhere. You're looking at your college evals.

and I imagine their college of Al and both players was high. And I think Booker's earned it with the way he's played. That was a, I haven't watched the film back, but I thought he played well last night. He did. Now, this is, this is Booker's third year. And if you're thinking about what is different, he was a little bit more of a sort of a Milton Williamsy edge tweener with the Texans. And here he's been able to just focus on defensive tackle. I think his body has changed just a little bit.

There's a reason that he was one of the final three for the Bow Wolf Camp Crush. of course he stole that day of practice as the story. And I think he does have a good chance. One other thing to keep in mind here, I think PJ Mustafa has had a pretty good summer, and I thought he looked good last night. It was a little bit on my radar that Vic Fangio didn't call out Marlon T as the backup knows, even though I think Marlon has had a good summer and had a really good practice

in the joint practice against the Patriots. I wonder if there's, for whatever reason, that Fangio would prefer Mustafa to, Marlin, but just the thing that's on my radar. He, I was going to make a dad joke about the name. You know, he, he must have made the most of his opportunity this summer, something like that. Nice. Yeah, well said.

Yeah, well, I like that. Okay. All right, linebacker, Zach Bond, Devin White, Jeremiah Charter Jr. Locks to make the team. Nikobi Dean, probably the same. I thought Nikobe Dean looked very good last night. Do you think, before we get to the rest of this, do you think Nkobie Dean is his ace hardware temperature is rising

as possibly pipping Zach Bonn as the week one starter opposite Devin White? I do. I absolutely do. I thought going into camp, Nicopa Dine was going to win the job. It surprised me how much Bonn has played first-team linebacker. And sorry. Yeah, it surprised me how much he's played first-team linebacker. But Dean's played better in preseason games.

So I'm going with Dean here. I think Dean has more upside. I do wonder, you know, Vic Fangio is kind of the old-school type. If I understand, you know, reps are bars of gold, I get that. But do you think there's any part of what's happened this summer to be, like, motivation? for Nicopi Dean that we're not going to give you this job that we're going to put you know because because like you mentioned the bond things seemed weird all along and Dean there is this I think was playing some some mind games yeah it's it's like you were hand you know you know Vic

Fangio says I wasn't here last year I'm not handing this guy anything let's see let's see what's this guy was the number one guy last year he hadn't earned anything yet I'm not just going to make him the number one here right you know you're gonna I'm got put you with the second team I'm going to put you behind this guy who's never played inside backer before. And if you want to be the starter, you got to go out there and you got to show me what you did at Georgia. I like that. Do you think there's anything to that? I think there is something to that.

Yeah. Okay. I don't think that it was necessarily like a grand design of this is what's going to turn Nicoby Dean into the guy that I need him to be. But I think I think he viewed it as a challenge. And it's also not as if from the bars of gold standpoint, like, they haven't been rotating a lot. And, like, I think they've been experimenting with different combinations. I think it's been more about who you're playing next to than necessarily what unit you're on.

So I do think that there is something to that. And to be fair, big picture, I still remain skeptical of the Zach Bond thing, but I do think that he has looked more comfortable as an inside linebacker than I expected him to. Yeah, I would agree there. Now, Zach, I also have Ben Van Van Sumeran on the roster. maybe my last guy on the team. I have them keeping five, four special teams reasons. I have Van Sumeran as well.

Wow. I have White Dean, Bon, Schroeder, Van Sumeran. So I take this. You went really deep in the secondary, I imagine, just based on the numbers here. Pretty deep. Yeah. Okay. I have 10 in the secondary.

Okay. Okay. So let's get to the secondary. The two changes. that I have. I had Bradbury on last week, or whenever we did this last, two weeks ago, I do not have Bradbury on anymore.

I had Josh Jobon before, and I no longer have Josh Job on. So, I have Avanti Maddo Keely Ringo, Isaiah Rogers, Darius Slay, Quinion Mitchell, Cooper DeGene. I have Eli Ricks on the team.

So do I. And then I have CJ Gardner Johnson, Reed Blankenship, and last time I had Sydney Brown on Pup, I have Sidney Brown on the roster. That's the, that's, that's what makes my 10. So that's our lone discrepancy here is I have Sydney Brown starting the season on Pup. Obviously, if he is healthy in the next week and a half, then he's on the 53. And my last cut, I don't know if my last cut would be Van Sumeran, Booker or Kinnard.

It would be one of them. But you and I are on the same wavelength here. So we need to mention the name, because he was the thumbnail for, this show today. We have, both of us of James Bradbury off the roster. Is that influenced by last night?

Yes. Significantly so. I just think last night was, there were like, there were four plays where it was asking four different things

of James Bradbury at safety and he wasn't really able to do any of them. You know, there was the mistackle in the open field. Okay, Jalen Polk's the first round, second round rookie, he's got some wiggle. You can't kill him for that. You know, he gets sort of plowed over in the hole coming down against the run. Okay, you know,

he's showing a willingness to get in the hole at least. You were not going to expect him to, you know, knock a guy over who's running full speed. There's the touchdown to Drake May, at the keeper, where his eyes are just not following what's going on. And even after May escapes, he takes another step inside. Okay, like maybe the diagnose is not where it needs to be. And the biggest red flag of all, the worst thing, was that opening drive of the game where Jacoby Percette misses Austin Hooper, but Austin Hooper has just run past James Bradbury. And if James Bradbury can't be trusted to cover a tight end who's not even like that dynamic

of a tight end, then I don't know that there's really reason to believe. that this is going to be an experiment that is worthwhile. And for the reasons we talked about last night, I think it's a bummer because I think James Bradbury is a good guy from all accounts. I think he's a really smart football player. I think it's a very human story of this guy was on top of the world two years ago, one of the best of his profession. And maybe he can still see it, but his body just is not what it once was.

And I think it's too bad. I think it's probably at a point now where I don't know that they're, going to get anything for him at all? Like, would you flip him for a conditional seventh? Is that even a nice thing to do? I think at this point, you probably let him go. And if somebody signs him, you get that little minor offset or whatever. But I think it's probably tough.

Yeah, so my view on this guy, I don't dispute anything you said. I think if you make that determination, cut him today. Give him a chance to go catch on somewhere else. I think there is a chance that they do that this week. Yeah. Like, don't play this until, don't play that. Because obviously they would flip him for a seventh round pick. If you flip him, the guaranteed salary, the $2.1 million is then absorbed by the other team.

So you do save that, right? So it behooves the team to be able to trade them. But if you don't, no team is going to trade from its safety at this point. A team might would be interested in a corner, unless you're going to play in a corner in this third preseason game, nothing that happens in the final few days, barring an injury, I suppose, would affect that. I think this is where, and I get this is a business. and the obligation you have to James Bradbury is the terms of the contract. And they're paying him the terms of the contract, right? So you can say they don't owe James Bradbury anything more.

I would say from a human perspective, from the way you treat somebody, this guy, this guy gave you, like, I don't think efforts ever been an issue with him. I think I respect on a human level the way he's approached this summer at safety. I do think he's given an earnest effort to try to learn this position, to try to contribute to the team. I think he's genuine when he says that. If you make that determination, cut him today, cut him tomorrow. Give him a week and a half to catch on somewhere before X percent of the league is, you know, available to be signed.

And that head start could be valuable. And I think that's the right thing to do for someone who played his butt off for your team for the past two years. And was a major part of you winning the NFC? I pretty much agree with you. I think that that's right. Now, I think there, you know, you could argue that, you could argue that, Is it even helpful to him to go somewhere for the last week of camp? Maybe it's going to be, maybe he'd be better off just going somewhere after cutdowns and seeing where things like that.

It gives that team a chance to see him at corner, is my point. If you're the Carolina Panthers and you say, look, here's a veteran who started his career here, good locker room guy. You have this, you know, you can come. We're not going to trade anything for them. We're holding on to our draft picks. But if you cut them, we'll sign them. and we're going to take a look at him at corner, it gives him a week and a half to play corner for a new team

because I also think if he gets cut, he has to wait probably for week two. If he gets cut on cut down day, he has to wait for week two to sign somewhere. I don't think the team's going to sign him sight unseen, guarantee the contract this year. He might have to go to a practice squad somewhere or something like that. I think he has better chance of,

I think it's better for the player if you make that determination to cut him now. Now, the ruthlessness of it, Zach, is that they're really shallow and safety right now. And so, like, I presume that Avanti Maddox is not going to have to play that third preseason game. And so that leaves just Tristan McCollum and Andre Sam, who are healthy. And then we've got to talk about McCollum because I think he has a real chance. But that's it. They got to need somebody. Sure.

Like, can you move, I don't know. Like, can Zach McPherson play safety for a game? they're going to get through that third preseason game. True. True. You can always sign someone off the street and, you know, put them out there. But no, that's a valid point. I mean, if you're keeping him to play 50 snaps in a third preseason game against the Vikings.

Yeah, I mean, that's heartless, but yeah. That is a ruthless. That is a ruthless endeavor. Eli Ricks, you and I both have Eli Ricks. You're feeling there is just a good young corner is too valuable to cut? that's pretty much it and i don't like i don't even know that they would say good but a guy with upside who could potentially grow into being a third or fourth outside corner uh second year of his rookie contract for team control i think i think probably too good to cut i think i mean i we've

talked about this since i think february or march that like this is the guy who is the most likely got to get traded and make sure you hit the the like button but uh if that does not come to pass, I don't think that they're going to just let him go. On the issue of the safety depth, I'm playing Dr. Berman again here. I'm keeping Job, sorry. Just because I'm keeping Patrick Johnson and Patrick and Ben Van Sumeran,

I don't feel the need to keep Job. And we know that Cooper DeGine is a very good gunner as well. Well said. And I think and I think the gene, I still think the gene's going to return from them, by the way. So safety here. I'm playing Dr. Berman for a second.

I probably shouldn't. I can't diagnose things from a press box. I like talking about. Caden Stearns. I watch Caden Stearns at Texas. I watched him with the Broncos for a bit. I don't know enough about his normal gait. Okay?

I want to make that clear. But unless he kind of walks like Josh Sweat, Caden Stearns is not near playing from what I'm back. He's really laboring when he walks. You can say he walks gingerly. but no, it's more like a, it's not a ginger walk. It's a laboring walk right now. So, Caden Stearns, he's someone that the Eagles like.

That's why they signed him when the Panthers failed the physical. My understanding is actually, I mean, I think they actually were interesting claiming him. The Panthers at the top claim. But once he became available, the Eagles, like, overlooked the physical part of it thinking that, all right, they'll give him time in a ramp up period. I don't know when he is ready to play. because he looks like there's he doesn't look like he can go and play a game this week. That's good to know.

I needed a little Dr. Berman there. That's good. Okay. Yeah, I don't think he's going to make the team. So two more guys to talk about quickly. Tyler Hall, we have not talked about a ton. I think has looked fine as the backup nickel. But I just think between Maddox and Dijin and maybe you coach Isaiah Rogers into that.

that they don't need to roster Tyler Hall just to be the backup nickel in the way that they did with Mario Goodrich last year. Agreed there. They have, they have, I think the genes really the key. And by the way, if you think Sidney Brown is going to be back, Sydney Brown can play the nickel as well. Yeah. All right. Last one is Trista McCollum, who has played well this summer, has flown around, made some plays on balls, been willing to be physical.

I thought he didn't look terrible last year either. I think there's a real chance. And maybe if Sidney Brown does go on PUP, that might be, I would probably give that spot to Tristan McCollum. Maybe so. I like Tristan McCollum. I'm not ready to put him on the 53. I tend to go lighter at safeties than,

oh, I would rather keep a line D-line than a French safety. But you only have three safeties on your team, if you count in a Fontaine-Batt. I have three safeties on my team, yeah, because you know Brown's going to come back, and I think you can crush. I think, I think, I think, the gene can play safety in a pinch, but I think you can get by with three safeties right now.

Okay. All right, good stuff, Zach. We head into the weekend. Now the shows are done, but we are not. Eagles are practicing Saturday and Sunday. We will have you covered on all p.hly.com and also those banger videos that pop up, those camp in 60 seconds. Zach, getting the work done. Are Eagles insider?

Did you feel the love after your performance last night? I rushed up the right and I appreciated the nice words you and and Jamie said. And all the listeners, all the viewers. Yeah. I read the comments. I appreciate it. But honestly,

that's yesterday's news right now, right? It's about what I do tomorrow. Amen. All right. That'll do it for this episode of the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast. Very exciting week to come.

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