PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | Philadelphia Eagles-Atlanta Falcons Postgame show: Nick Sirianni bungles game management

Episode Date: September 17, 2024

We’ve got your full Monday Night Football recap and reaction. On the night Nick Foles was honored and officially retired as an Eagle, and with Jason Kelce in the house, it was the Eagles’ ground game that was the story for most of the game, with Jalen Hurts and Saquon Barkley both topping 80 yards rushing. Meanwhile, it was another underwhelming night for the Eagles’ defensive line, saved by more situational steadiness on third (and fourth) down and in the red zone.Then came the games’s big decision, as Nick Sirianni opted to throw the ball on a late third down, then kick a short field goal to give the Eagles a six-point lead. Kirk Cousins then quickly drove down the field to give the Falcons a 22-21 lead. With one last chance, Hurts threw an interception. Game over.Join Super Bowl winner Vinny Curry, Fran Duffy, Jamie Lynch and Bo Wulf for a full recap of the Eagles’ heartbreaking loss. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody, and welcome to the PHLY Post Game Show, presented by Bent 365. Download the Bet365 app and use code PHLY365 when you sign up. Whatever the moment, it's never ordinary at Bent 365. And boy, was that not an ordinary game for the Philadelphia Eagles who snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, a 2221 loss that in my estimation falls squarely on the shoulders of Nick Siriani for late game mismanagement in his decision. decision to throw the ball on third down and then kick a field goal to invite a four-down, touchdown-only drive for the Falcons to bring in a loss as part of the equation as opposed to going for it on fourth down and then making the Falcons have only three downs to

work with and probably settle for a field goal. If Nick Siriani's job is now game management, he has failed this test in the second game of the season, and that is why the Eagles are now one in one. I am joined by Super Bowl winner Vinnie Curry to my left, Jamie Lynch to his left, and Fran Duffy to his left. Jamie, I want to start with you. Where does this loss rank in recent memory in terms of just late game heartbreak? It's hard to think of a worse collapse, like, in recent memory. There's been worse losses, but there hasn't been that sort of, Fran started bugging me out right away. I'll be honest. He was like, he's like, I don't like the looks of this like from the first play.

And they're talking like the game is over. Yeah. And he was like, I don't like the way the announcers are talking. I don't like the feeling of this at all. And it started to like creep over to me. And it's just like there's been worse losses, but I don't, I can't recall a worse collapse like that at the end in a long time. Fran, the decision is third and three. There's about a minute 40 left in the game.

The Falcons are without timeouts. You would think, given the way that Sequin Berkeley had been running, that they would have handed the ball off on third down, even if he doesn't get the first down, therefore ending the game, you bleed off another 35 seconds, and you're probably inviting either a tush push or a situation on fourth down when you can either pass or run, keeping the defense on its toes. Instead, they go to try to just go for the jugular and make the pass there. And sure, Sequin Barclay should catch that ball, but the decision making there from Nick Siriani has to leave you scratch in your head to me i think that especially knowing where this team came from a year ago right with all what the

collapse at the end of the season with the games ending that the way they did and i know this is a different team and it's a different year and momentum isn't real carrying from 2023 to 2024 but you got to do what you can to come out come away with a victory and that's what all we heard from uh this team a year ago when you had those ugly wins in the beginning which every win is important in the NFL there's no question about that but at the end of the day like you you have to do what you have to do to come away with the W. Give the ball to Sequin Barclay in that situation. We said it in the moment and yes, he should have caught the ball.

He was wide open. Should have been a touchdown. They should have run the ball in that situation. I just can't get over the fact that we have heard all offseason that, oh, Nick doesn't have to worry about the offense now. He's freed up to worry about the bigger things. He should be nailing these decisions.

And this is coaching mismanagement. Like this is malpractice. The decision there to invite the touchdown as a game losing situation, as opposed to settling for a potential overtime at worst situation, is absolutely like day one stuff of the offseason. And it's all preceded by him pounding his chest after they get the decline of the tush push.

And he was bopping his head around in front of Howie Roseman. Like, keep your head in the game. That decision is why the Eagles are not two and oh. Now, Vinny, I'm sorry that we haven't heard from you yet. I know that you are frustrated as Eagles fans. I'm pissed, bro. And you're wearing the chest. Like, what do you think the locker room is feeling right now?

Pissed. They better be feeling pissed. Oh, because I'm pissed. Dude, like, okay. I don't even think I've seen anybody around them. Okay, we kick it off. I mean, the ease, the ease with which they were able to go down there. In the blink of an eye.

The blink of eye. It felt like four or five plays. They just did whatever they wanted. And that was the worst of the defense looked all night. And then I went, all right, well, they've been good in the red zone all night. You know, like they kind of saved the game in the first air. Maybe they'll step up here and answer the bell. No type, like, it was no type of censure urgency.

They went 70 plays in, 70 yards and six plays. Slate got cooked on that touchdown. But what I said earlier. But defensively, as one person, but we should, the defense has a whole as a brotherhood. Shouldn't even put him in that predicament because they should have got a sack or two or a four something. we'll get the game over with. They have no time out. If you're a defensive player in that situation

and the offense, they aren't able to punch it in, they aren't able to win the game there at the end there. Saquan drops the football. You were with the team last year. Does that creep in your mind like, here we go again? Or is that something that is far away?

That's far. You don't have the defense issue to say, yo, don't worry about it. We got you all. Yep. But tonight that wasn't the case. No. I'm pissed.

I mean, I think it goes, the big issue. you, there's no pass rush on this team. It is legitimately that you can count on. If the Eagles had won this game, that would be the story tomorrow. That would be what we were talking about the rest of this week,

is where is the pass rush? One sack on Kirk Cousins in this game, really not a lot of pressure at all. And, I mean, Brandon Graham looks like the best pass rusher on the team right now. He does. He does. He's a vampire, apparently. He's unbelievable. And Milton Williams

had a big sack in this game. the oldly sack. Carter wiggled through a couple times. But for a defense that, I mean, Vinnie, you know for sure. Yeah. For decades, this team has been built around a dominant defensive line. Right now, it is not there. No, it's not. And we're watching it and we're calling it.

Like coaches was putting in the guys in position to win one-on-ones. You got to win the one-on-ones. Everybody up there get paid the big bucks to win their one-on-one. I'm pissed. This is crazy. Like, we hang our hats on defensive line play. You know what I mean?

Um, we used to get so angry if they were trying to bliss. Like, no, we got it, we got it. The front four got it. The front four got it.

I, I can't, I can't, tonight I can hang my hat on that. So BG's like the remaining guy there that knows the culture So that believe, like, is he, like, what is he like tonight? Tonight's like Logan. We'll ring.

Yeah. Yeah. He is like, you know, he was, you see him flying around. Yeah. He'll find around a little bit, but, you know, as is down. Because it's all new guys, mostly, you know, like a guy, you know, Jordan Davis's mate and Milton Williams are probably the next tenured guys. Well, sweat, but, you know, BG is like the staple.

And this is just not up to his par, I'm sure. And by the way, it was not. just the pass rush. They were getting blown off the ball and run defense too. Bejohn Robinson in this game runs for 6.9 yards per carry, 14 carries for 97 yards,

and Tyler Alger, 9 for 53. And that's another thing like, dude, in the means, and I, like, I know the D-LIN coaches. Like, I'm pretty sure

they are freaking pissed as well. You know, the goal is to stop the run and then to pin your ears. back. Yep. This is, this, this is, this is, this is,

the chat is already calling for you to come out of retirement. Get in shape. You got a couple weeks. Maybe next year. We got him. And that's like the, the way that this game ended, obscures how bad the defense was outside of third downs and red zones, like situational stuff.

They were getting blown off the ball in, in the run game and in, past coverage. but I mean I still all of that said like they they had the game one if Nick Siriani just does the easy things there and we're going to hear from Nick Siriani. We'll carry his press conference live coming up shortly. We're also going to hear from Zach Berman who's going to give us the sense of the locker room. We may hear from from Jalen Hertz as well. Fran, I guess I want to move on from the Siriani thing, but it's hard for me too because that's the reason they've lost this game. Well, the one aspect of it that I've been scouring the NFL operations rule book since the game.

trying to get an answer to this is so Drake London scores the touchdown. There's the unsportsmanlike penalty that they take on the extra point. Do they have the option? The Eagles have the option to accept that penalty from the kickoff instead and give yourself a kick. What would that be from Atlanta's 20-yard line

or something along those lines? You put yourself in a much better position to get into Jake Elliott's field goal range with potentially a first down. I'm still, Google AI says that. We're not trusting AI. ZB's not sitting in this chair right now. So I'm trying to go through the rulebook and see.

I would imagine that Nick Sirion is going to be asked about that in postgame. I can't get over the decision to pass on third down. And listen, if you're in the middle of the field and it's a sort of different situation, I love passing on third down there and trying to catch the defense by surprise. Not when there are no timeouts left. The clock has already stopped. And not when on the play before, you saw what Sequin and Barclay did where it looks like he's going to be caught for like a three-yard loss.

and he jih Tutsu himself for a three-yard gain. The way that Sakewon Berkeley was running tonight, I mean, he had 22 carries, and to me he should have had 10 more carries. I am not missed to run the ball, but Sakewon looked awesome tonight. He was the best player on the field. He did not take the full advantage.

He was the best player on the field tonight. And it was a, I mean, Mackay Beckett and Lane Johnson in the first half were just picking up dudes and moving them, and Sakewan was running beyond. Like, he was borderline. I said to Fran at one point, I was like, what's his chunk, like,

explosive plays tonight? Because it feels like he's getting seven, eight yards. and it was only, you know, close to five because he had a couple, you know, minor losses. But he was, it was a dominant play for them tonight. And they just didn't do it enough. If you were willing to run the ball on third, to pass the ball on third down there, run it,

and then be willing to pass it on fourth down. Kicking the field goal there is so dumb. Crazy. But listen, let's give the officer line, like you, let's go back to what you were saying, the officer line played well tonight. In the run game, they were more, and the pockets were beautiful tonight for J-Lam.

Yeah, overall, outside the BS, you know, penalties down the field, which are getting real annoying. The offensive line was great tonight. And you did see Jalen himself running the ball better tonight when, you know, there's such a difference for him when he's running side to side versus when he's running downhill, like the power that he runs with. He had 13 carries for 85 yards in a touchdown in this game, a few really big ones, especially on that first touchdown drive that they had in the second quarter. nice to see that and in a game in which the Eagles did not have AJ Brown we were sort of curious to see what the passing offense would look like a bit of a surprise how much Britain Covey we got I would say six catches for 23 yards including another one that was or not including another one that was called back Devante Smith leads the way seven for 76 six and a touchdown very surprising only three catches for 38 yards on four targets for Dallas Goddard Jamie I was heavily invested in the Dallas Goddard market tonight on that three six five over index there it's Never ordinary at Bet 365, Beau. Well, that was not what I expected. Me and you each had a prop of his in the pregame as our bets of the game.

You just had four and a half catches. I thought that was a layup. I took the 42 and a half yards. I still thought that was low. I mean, I'm at the point where I'm on a tech chain with some buddies going, is Dallas Goddard actually good? Like, I know he is. He a beast, man.

Yeah, but like there's plenty of chit times where he just doesn't show up. Is that defense is taking him away? Like, I don't know. Like, he confuses me to no end. There was a lot of Grant Calcutterra tonight. And he got blown up on a couple blocks. Yeah, you know, like. We definitely miss AJ tonight.

You don't doubt about it. Yeah. Just a bit of it. No doubt about it. And so now the Eagles at one in one, licking their wounds, are going to have to play on a short week, go down to New Orleans,

which looks like, you know, one of the best offenses in the league. The defense is going to have a lot of work to do, friend. I mean, the running defense cannot be, on Sunday what it was tonight. Especially on the edge, you know, too many times. Camar is killing.

Just getting worked on the edge, getting pinned inside, getting washed outside on some of those plays. He cannot do that in this game against the Saints. And so that is something that's going to have to get corrected. We saw it down the stretch. We didn't see much Bryce up. It was Nolan Smith in there as Atlanta was trying to run the football. Now we'll see what it looks like.

I did what didn't take note of who was in there at left end on the final drive in that two-minute drill. but to me, that's going to be something that they need to work on, certainly. And that was what we said this after Green Bay, because Josh Jacobs ran rough shot over this defense in the second half in that game. So for me, the run defense, especially that front four, Vinnie, you and I talked about it at a half time. Too many guys on the ground. I mean, Zach Bond was on the ground four or five times tonight from my count.

And then the guys up front not getting off blocks well enough one-on-one. And Vinny, well, you know what? We've got Nick Siriani, it sounds like. So let's go to Nick Siriani. This league, right, to 22, 21. Sometimes it just comes down to a couple plays, but it's never just one play. It's never just that play because all the plays equal up to the win or to the loss.

E-Lyman just had one sack and two games, not a lot of pressures. Are you getting enough from your past rush from your front floor? You know, we'll obviously look at this game and see what happened. I think sometimes you have to earn the right to rush, meaning you've got to have them in passing situations. It didn't seem like we had some passing situations today. They were in third and manageable or second in manageable. So sometimes you've got to earn the right to rush.

And like I said, when they're ahead of the sticks, that makes it a little bit harder on the pass rush. So we'll look at the tape of this game. But we'll see what happens. We'll see it with, you know, what it is. We see you guys use the tackle circuit a lot, but it seems like there's been a key moments. It's been a lot of his tackles for it.

What do you do at this point in the season? almost early, but what did you see? Yeah, it's early. We'll keep working on our tackling. We'll keep, just like you keep working on your ball security, just like you keep working on your catch circuits, just like you keep working on trying to take away the football. But, yeah, a couple missed tackles in some situations,

a couple good tackles. I thought the guys really had great effort to the football. You know, we knew we needed to do that with Bijon the way he could kind of make somebody miss, and it felt like when he would make somebody miss, there'd be somebody right there in his hip. So we knew he would get some that would, you know, he'd make some guys miss,

but our emphasis was trying to make sure that we were there with the rest of the guys to pick up, pick up the pieces. Is there any teaching point, anything to point out with those illegal downfield? I think there were three of them today. Some of them are POs. Yeah.

Some of them are on us as coaches. Some of them are on, you know, a player being down, you know, going too fast. We, you know, we coach that not to go too fast, but some of them are on us in certain scenarios of when we call them. It's really hard to get called for, in my opinion, to get called for a bubble screen, you know, to being able to throw a bubble screen out there, I mean, that happened so quick. And, you know, you know, but it looked like they made the right call on all those. It's just hard when you can't throw that bubble screen out there

when they load the box on something like that. But we got to play the rules that are there. I thought, again, like I said, I thought the referees were right on the calls. Sometimes it was a coaching thing, sometimes a player thing. Are there decisions you would have done differently in hindsight? Sure, like any time you go and you don't get points on a drive in the red zone, you know, fourth and three in the first one.

You're like, well, should I have went for that there? And, you know, I went for a fourth and three. three after that, you know, after the completion to Dallas, that got us to fourth and three, we got that and we got points out of that. So anytime it doesn't work out, you know, that's why I'm sitting in the seat, the head coaching seat. Like, I've got to be ready for the consequences of whether it works or whether it doesn't work. And in that scenario, first off, you know, obviously it didn't work. So obviously I'm going to second guess myself in those scenarios that It doesn't. Same thing on the third and three. It was an incomplete pass. So sometimes that works. Sometimes it doesn't work. And, you know, all I can do is go back and review those and say, did I like what we did here? Would we do it again or would we change directions next time? Everything's thought out of what we want to do. But, you know, that's this game of football. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't. And in those cases, it didn't. And so I got to rethink it.

be comfortable with him pushing the ball down the field? Yeah, yeah. We got press man on one of our best players, and I didn't see the entire play. It looked like I'll have to see exactly what happened, but the intent of that play was to go down the field. And, you know, he took a chance, and a guy made a good play.

I'll have to look at the play exactly and see what happened. It looked like running the boat jail and had a first that he hadn't had in a while. Did you guys pick up on that? Like, did you want to lean on him in the running? You know, some of his big runs came on scrambles, you know, and there was a couple that were on called runs, you know, and I thought, you know, obviously anytime an interception happens, you're going to want that back. But I thought, like, I looked up at the score where one point he was 20 at 25, making a lot of a lot of plays for our team, both in the run game and the past game. I thought he really played an outstanding game. again we'll all have things that we want back

I think the biggest issue on offense we weren't good enough in the red zone but you know Jalen did a lot of things to help us to be in that be in that football game and have a chance to win that football game we played a really good game obviously last play didn't go out as we wanted you mentioned nearly fourth and three what was your thought process on third down you decided then that you were to go for well sometimes yeah you can't just be every time

it's third and three, say you're going to run it, right? Teams obviously pick up on that. If you're every time you're third and three, you're going to run it, every time you're, and set yourself up for fourth down. So sometimes you've got to throw quick. Sometimes you've got to run it. Sometimes you've got to set yourself up. Sometimes you have two opportunities to get it on third and three with two passes.

Sometimes you have the opportunities to get with runs. So again, we can't just be so predictable that we're going to say, hey, every third and three, if you're in four-down mode, that you're going to run the football. That's just not realistic. And there's too many good coaches in this league. Hey, it didn't work in this particular one. And shoot, I'd like to have those back.

Kellyn's making, you know, that's. Kellyn's offense coordinator makes the calls, yeah, if you're trying to stir that up. And I'm the head coach. On the broadcast, I said AJ's going to miss a few weeks. Is that your answer? We'll see. Yeah, I don't.

We'll see. I don't know that yet. I won't give you that information yet. I don't because I don't know. I mean, we'll see how that goes. If you last one layer of that magnitude late in the week, you already had game playing, I guess, Wednesday, and he's such a big part of it.

How much does that change it for you? Yeah, you adjust it. But, I mean, that's happened to it. Like, we've been in this league long enough where those things have happened. You play enough games that happens, and we have contingency plans. and, you know, you change the game playing around.

You still want to attack them a certain way, but now you're going to use different players and how you attack them. And so, obviously, you know, AJ being down, he's one of the best players in the NFL, so you're going to miss them. But, yeah, us having the time to go over and switch everything. We have plenty of time to do that.

And, you know, like I said, I think that the offense, where we struggled on offense, was more so in the red zone because we moved the ball, we move the ball well. So it was those struggles in the red zone that we got to get corrected because you got to score points down there. And sometimes it was because, you know, like I said,

like you guys have said, I went for it in those scenarios. Sometimes we stopped ourselves. Nick, you went back to it. But when you're giving up four or five, six yards first and second down running place that puts you in a bad spot when you're rushing the passer. Is there anything schematically that needs to change to guard against the run-up front?

You know, every game's a little. little bit different, you know, and there's, there's many different ways that you can, you can put yourselves in positions. Obviously, it starts with our fundamentals and technique of how we, how we get movement, right? That's where it's always going to start. You can call, you know, we can call whatever we want. It's going to come down to the, to the, to the, our fundamentals of how we, this is football, you know, and it doesn't matter what level you're at. It's how you tackle. It's how you defeat blocks. That's how you get, you know, you pierce the line of scrimmage. and then we've got to be able to make sure we put them in positions succeed

and there's plenty of ways to do it sometimes it's you know with five down front sometimes it's with a six down front sometimes it's with the pressure sometimes it's with secondary pressure sometimes it's with blitz zero sometimes it's moving the front I mean yeah we got we we got to do what we need to do to help put them in positions but it's not just ever hey do this to stop this I mean that's just not how football works. You know, there's many different answers and we got to find the right answers and help put the guys in position and the guys got to make place.

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The trust of everybody else to step up. Right up my ass. I think we had, you know, guys step up in a big way. Covey made some great plays out there. Schmitty made plays. We just didn't meet the moment in terms of, you know, it wasn't for us tonight. What was for us? Keep pressing for it.

Keep your head up at the end of the day. Oh, boy. We have to. Jalen cliches after a loss. I'm telling you. I don't know if I can deal with it. control the controllables. And I think when I look at this game,

there are a lot of things that we could have controlled fundamentally in our details, the little things that we just didn't take advantage of. And so that's this opportunity for us to learn from it. I think we've taken big steps in terms of coming together as a unit and need to continue on that journey

and learn from this. And I think it's a great test for us. On the third three play, it was open, so you threw it. But what's the coaching point? If it's not open, like, obviously you're not running out of bounds or anything like that, but are you,

I don't want to, I don't want to add any extra wood to it. It's, we just didn't make the play. in that moment and I trust him in every moment. He's a hell of a player. He gave us a big spark in those moments in. You know, it just wasn't for us tonight.

Jalen made a shirt out of my grandpa. He can't say that you rep heavily in practice. He mentioned the red zone efficiency as a whole. He thought that wasn't up to par. What did you see from that perspective? I thought we were pretty aggressive in the red zone coming out the gate early. I think there was some opportunities for sure

to score in the red zone, and we didn't. Much respect to that team we just played in that defense. They got two great safeties, a great defense of bad group, and, you know, they were disruptive up front. And when they had an opportunity to score in the end, they did. Much respect to them. Before the third of three play, you guys went heavy on the left side

and had to call time out. Was there a play call in there? Was that going to be a run play? That's just a simple, you know, operational thing, making sure we got the right guys on the field and executing, you know, I think, in those moments. That was a big-time drive. Drive you think could close it out, but we came up short. Did you do your best game running in a while? Was there anything different, or you just kind of, they just needed that?

That's what happened. Turn on when they need to. And it turned on, but clearly wasn't enough to get the win. Diversity was, you know, bound to hit until point this season. How much time did you spend in the off season kind of thinking about that and how to handle it? Now that it's here, you know, what's the key? There's no, there's no secret to it. There's no secret ingredient to it.

It's just a matter of, am I going to love it? Am I going to learn from it and am I going to get better from it? You know, there is, I said this before and I said again, there's no difference between, you know, the joys and the pains, the wins and the losses. It's just a matter if you learn from it. And I think that's the perspective that I have on this, good, bad or indifferent.

We're going to learn from it. And our goal out there is to go out there and play dominant football and win football games and do enough to win the game. ultimately better ourselves, better ourselves and growth and learning from these moments. And so in the end, you know, winning is the only thing that matters. And to win, you have to continue to learn. You have to continue to grow.

And I think this team will continue to do that. We'll take two more. Jay, with that, you mentioned obviously, I mean, AJ's a good receiver, and you don't want to make excuses or anything. But I mean, just logistically, when it kind of happens late, in the week, you know, after you guys have been practicing, how do you deal with that?

I mean, we're just six to kind of developing a new game plan or not in it? Yeah, I think that's a Kellen question, and I trust them with everything as we continue to build this and find our rhythm and build our rapport with one another. But in the end, you know, guys had an opportunity to step up, and I think guys did that. We've got to be better. I gotta be better, but I feel like we, you know, we went out there and played really hard.

We just didn't take advantage of some opportunities. You seem to trust Britain a lot. Would you agree with that? And where did that kind of build? Excuse my voice. It's just a lot of time on task with working with him. And, you know, conversations and reps, his approach. It's intentionality and what he does.

You know, he showed up for us and we need him to continue to do that. And I think the most important thing is everybody is focused doing their jobs to help the team win. And as I said before, to do that, you just have to learn from everything. you have to learn from your mistakes. And we will. We'll be better from it. Thanks, John. I don't know if you guys caught that,

but Jalen Hertz giving me a little homage there to Frankie Beverly, his favorite singer who passed away this week, the joys and the pains of a loss like this of playing this game. I was thinking about the joys and pains of like, you know, Nick Foles has his retirement ceremony tonight, right? retires as an eagle, very nice little thing. The joy of getting to celebrate that,

the pain of not getting able to play in the league anymore. This game, obviously, is going to be lasting as a pain source for Eagles fans, right? I think Jalen played a pretty good game tonight when he was running around. He didn't have a ton to throw to, but his legs looked good. I don't really put that game-ending interception on him. I mean, he's trying to make a play, right?

But Vini, I guess for you, as you watch Jalen there, do you feel like he has the you know and with kelsey on the broadcast tonight you know it's sort of the same thing as as falls but if he was sort of the emotional leader do you feel like jalen is the kind of guy who can sort of carry this team forward from a loss like this absolutely absolutely um and that's why he's the leader of that locker room leader of the team um the guys there rally from this but for tonight's sake i think we all just pissed bro on that how that ended. And you can hear it in his voice.

You know, he sounded like he was yelling. You know, he probably lost it in a lot. I was thinking, I was like, who was he yelling? You know, and it's like you said it, when you look at his stash, he played a damn name a pretty awesome game himself. But, dude, we just got to, we got to play as a team. He's just, he plays a team.

But we didn't, we didn't play as a team. We didn't execute when it was time to execute. Yeah, Fran would know better than me. but it feels like it's really hard to win in the NFL when you don't get chunk plays. You know, like that is, that is huge. And I think according to your notes, at least in the fourth quarter,

the biggest play was 19 yards tonight. Yeah, something like that. Like Galen did play well, but they didn't have, I mean, maybe it's, it could just be all the AJ Brown effect, but they did not have chunk yardage plays tonight. Everything was laborous. And like you really had to work for your points tonight.

Yeah. And to me, you know, there were a handful of those plays where Jalen did scramble and made something out of nothing where he was looking downfield. So I'm excited to go back to the film and see what were they trying to do? Were they trying to take a vertical shot play and it wasn't available to him? And so he decided, okay, hey, I'm going to try and create something with my legs here. I do think Jalen overall played a good game. I mean, he finished 23 of 30, yeah, 23 of 30, 1803 yards, a touchdown and then the final pick.

I agree, Bo, I would not put that on the ground too. Yeah, another 85 on the ground. And look good, doing it on the ground too. They had some design runs. They had the scrambles. You certainly had some of the option plays in there, too. So a little bit of everything that we had seen from Jalen Hertz on the ground, making plays with his legs.

And I thought, again, against the Blitz, he looked really, really good. We're still waiting on some of these numbers to come out. But a number of times in my notes as we're watching the game, hot route against the blitz. The ball came out fast, knowing where to go. It's third and eight. They get a completion right of the sticks for third and seven of Devante Smith, Dallas Goddard, same thing. So you saw time and time again of him understanding where his answers were.

in the offense. To me, I just, it's disappointing that, you know, that the game ended the way it did because I think overall, you look at it in like, Jalen played well,

Seekoine, like drop aside, like played well, offensive line overall, seemed like they played well. But also at the end of the day, like, it's the final drive. They had 10 points on the board.

And we were sitting there late in the fourth quarter. And, you know, again, the broadcast was kind of like salt in the victory way. And I'm sorry, I don't feel good.

Like, watching what I'm watching right now. Witness. Yeah. He's telling the truth. Yeah. It was a very, very strange game that we'll see what the film says tomorrow, but it was a very strange game to watch live.

And, you know, when coach was talking, you guys heard him say, you know, you have to earn the right to rush. Yep. Meaning, got to stop the damn run. Yep. Got to stop the run. Well, this is going to be. It goes together. This is going to be painful to your ears, okay?

Through two games, the Eagles are allowing 6.4 yards per rush, 30 second in the NFL. Dead last. Ooh. With Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter in the middle. 6.4 yards for carry. So now when you say that to yourself, we got to stop the run first, you know, and that's, he's saying it in the nice version.

Yes. Earned a bird of running. Yeah. You know, like. What's he seen in the locker room version? I mean, they are, so the Eagles are like, they are playing much worse on defense than the points would tell you, because they're fifth in red zone defense and third and third down defense.

If they weren't so good situationally on a per play basis, they are one of the worst defenses in the NFL so far, 27th in sack rate and dead last in running. Yeah, I mean, that final drive, if you can't get to the quarterback, something's wrong, right? Like, I mean, Vinny, what are you seeing from the defense there? I mean, they're just dropping in to prevent, trying to keep everything in front of them.

It goes back to, like, to, like, sense of urgency, get the game over with, you know? Who gonna be that dog, you know? Who wants to be that dog? It's just like at the end of the day, a sack on that drive kills that whole drive. Yeah, it's over. Momentum, the crowd was going crazy. Didn't feel like they got closed.

Monday night football in Philadelphia at the link. Home. Chats to be here. Oh, my God. And we haven't even given proper credit to just how easy that that drive was to go 70 yards in six place. That was one of the worst drives I've ever seen. Super easy.

11 yards to Kyle Pitts, 21 yards to Darnel Mooney, 26 yards to Darnel Mooney 5 yards to Drake London Then the incomplete pass on the Avanti Maddox breakup And then the touchdown to Drake London for 7 yards So when does Vic talk this week Wednesday? Yeah

Yeah They might do Thursday Sometimes they do Thursday Sometimes they do Thursday in a short week But yeah he will have a lot to answer for Who do you feel good about on that defensive line right now? I mean you play with Bryce Huff You were there at the beginning of his career

Sort of helped him come along as a young player what we have seen it's only been two games but through two games so far it has been underwhelming do you do you believe in brysuff long term it's a short week rice you got to get on you got you got you got you got they like I said they just got a they got to they got a they got to something you know but we're sticking out to everybody and this is this is what I was we were talking about we're sticking out to everybody is they're not playing together so you're not seeing it really you stick out and when the flashes you are seeing you're seeing 55 glimpse

you're seeing no glimpse yep you know now it's time for everybody else to take their place and get your the the torch is there for somebody to grab grab it and we talked you about this uh last week about how you were so good at doing the dirty work

right send other guys up right that was sort of your your M.O I don't know who's doing that for them right now it's crazy man And I think it's fair to be disappointed in Jalen Carter's performance through two games. My expectations for him after the summer. He has to be the best player by far. He was going to be a dominant player and the best player on this defense. He was, I think, like, semi-benched at the beginning of this game, did not play on the first series.

And then didn't open the third series and then came in on third down. We'll have to ask Vic Fangio about that as well. So there's something going on there, but he has not been as ferocious and impactful as I was expecting. Yeah, disappointing, certainly, for Jalen Carter. I am excited to go back through the, because that's the thing is we talked about this a week ago with Green Bay was, you know what, the playing surface, the cleats, like all that stuff, let's throw that game out. Let's see what looks like, what it looks like against Atlanta.

And maybe there's difficult conversations on Tuesday. Well, those difficult conversations are going to be had tomorrow morning and really quickly going back to Bryce Huff. And stats, box scores with defensive linemen don't always tell the story, obviously. Vinnie can take that. All about that. Huge great assault. but for a team, you know, a team ran the ball

28 times tonight. Bryce Huff, I went to go just look at the box score. Does not appear on the box score. Zero. Not an assistant tackle. Nothing. Zero. I did think he had a half tackle on the Joshua play for a little I don't know how I got credit. I don't know. I was the only time that was the only time he was around the ball. Yeah, before we get

to Zach real quick, Jalen Carter and Nolan Smith, this team counted on Nolan Smith to be the step up guy. You know, the youngster you believe in high first round draft pick. Like there's a job there to be one more or less. They need him. And they needed Jalen Carter, just straight up be the best player on this defense. And you haven't seen it through two games.

Hopefully it's coming. No, it's coming. He showed the one, the glimpse that he had a one-on-one passers. He's super dominated that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, but you know, like I said, they'll definitely get clicking. You've got to get clicking fast. We have Zach Berman, ready to go.

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Our Eagles Insider, Zach Berman there, I'm sure he's coming back from the locker room. We know that he spoke to Nick Tiriani. Zach, first of all, you look good. Great backdrop. What was the mood of the locker room after as shocking a late game loss as we can remember? Yeah, they were dejected, as you would imagine. I mean, it was a pissed off locker room. I think it was a locker room that, for the most part, accepted responsibility across the board,

whether it was Sequin, whether it was the defense. They recognized that they didn't make enough plays in this game. There's a lot of different places you can point to. you know, I mean, being here in the stadium, it was, it was startling. There haven't been many games like this in my 13 years covering the team where it just goes completely silent, right? I mean, I think on the sideline, they thought they had the game won after CJ makes that big fourth down stop. And so the place just went completely silent when the Falcons went down the field. They were startled.

The team seemed startled. but the locker room after the game, it was a quick, I mean, to give you some color bow, it was a quick changing locker room, right? I mean, actually, you know, and, you know, Vinny knows what this is like. Jaylen Hertz was like dressed and ready to leave before Nick Siriani even went to the podium, right? And so like they had to hold Jayhwin back. Jayhwin's like, and when I say hold him back, like he's, he's ready to go get his press conference over with and get out of there.

And this is a stark contrast from what you see often when players are lingering around or discussing what happened. This was a quick, exiting locker. When I got back from Siriani, the only people who were there really, I chat with C.J. Gardner Johnson, Nikobie Dean, Brandon Graham. But it was like there was no one lingering around. This was a team that wanted to get out of here as quickly as possible tonight. Zach, I don't know that Nick Siriani got enough. questions about his decision at the end of this game because to me there are there are a lot there's a lot of blame to go around certainly the defense uh not stopping the run and their performance on that final

touchdown drive sayquan barclay has to catch the ball but nick sir on his decision specifically to kick the field goal to go up six points and invite a a touchdown to lose and a four down drive for the falcons instead of going forward on fourth down when you could have pinned the falcons deeper and they would have been willing to settle for a field goal. That is day one coaching stuff in the NFL these days. And if his job is to be worried about making the right decisions on game day, he failed in this game. Bo, I have some data to back you up here.

According to next gen stats, the Eagles' chances to win the game, dropped from 94% to 85% according to their model with that field goal. So what did he say about it? We heard from him, but we missed the very, getting at the press conference. So we may have not gotten that. Yeah, he was asked specifically about that decision. And he said he wanted to go up six and that they looked at it. The Falcons had no timeouts. They felt going up six was the way to go there. There were a number of decisions, like you said, that we can second guess. I asked Nick specifically,

the result of the plays aside, were there decisions tonight that you would have done over in hindsight. And he said, you always look back at that. He went back to the fourth down, the fourth down in the first half when he, yeah, when he, when he didn't take points. So, so this is interesting. I agree with you, Bo. And I agree in real time. I thought, end the game here. Don't give them the chance to get the ball back. Speaking to other reporters, they thought I was crazy for bringing, like, they're like, why would, why would you not kick the field goal? They were surprised by this. I thought, I don't want to say it was obvious,

but I thought the decision to win the game, you make that decision to win the game. There were a lot of people who I was speaking to, and when I say this other reporters, who were harping on the decision to pass. And I actually didn't object to the past. That was a high percentage play, I thought. And there was a mechanism built into it

where if Sequan's covered, J-O-N could just take the sack, right? and let the clock tick. I didn't have an issue with that. And there were questions about that call. But I thought the, so Nick was specifically asked about that decision to kick the field goal. And he said he wanted to go up six with the Falcons having no timeouts. That was their approach there now.

You saw in real time what happened. The timeouts didn't matter. Actually, the Falcons probably scored too quickly. for their liking. But I agree with you. But like I always, you know, like I've said to you on air, off air, we can only control the questions. We can't control the answers, right?

So like Nick got the question. That was his rationale. We can debate the rationale. But that's the way he went. Yeah, I mean, we're talking about 70 yards to go with four downs at your disposal versus 55, 60 yards to go with three or four downs at your disposal. to settle for a field goal versus also the upside of just ending the game with the first down. It's really a no-brainer.

Exactly. As for the defense, we've been talking about it, Zach. The Eagles are dead last in the league and yards per rush allowed. The defensive line seems to be getting dominated through two games. What do you make of that, what you've seen in person and also what the reaction was in the locker room? Yeah, you heard Nick say that you have to earn the right to rush the quarterback. That's all Vinnie.

I thought they had the chance to rush the quarterback on that final drive, right? I mean, the Falcons weren't pan. The Falcons weren't running the ball. The problem here is that they're not good enough at rushing the quarterback right now. And I think that was apparent throughout the game. You know, Milton Williams had a nice sack, but otherwise, your edge rushers are not getting pressure on the quarterback. in the locker after the game

you know you heard about the zone they were in you know that Atlanta was finding soft spots in the zone that's something that came up but I think you need your pass rushers to make a difference there

and you often hear you know he's getting rid of the ball quickly and it may be so but look I'll defer to Vinny on all past rushing questions that situation is designed for your guy to beat their guy.

Just like T.J. Watt beat K.O. McGarry last week, right? I mean, it's designed for your pass rusher, your $17 million your pass rusher to beat their offensive tackle. And that didn't happen tonight. Zach, do you know the answer to this question? We've been trying to dig it up. Franz's been

digging it up. According to Google AI, the Eagles did have the option here. And I feel ridiculous even saying that to defer the penalty from Drake. I just want to stay for the record. This is an anti- AI podcast. Yes,

AI weirds me out, but it's the only answer we found so far. Are they able to apply that Drake London penalty to the next kickoff rather than taking it right there on the spot? And if so, is that a worse decision than kicking the field goal there at fourth down? You know, that's a really good question.

I'm ashamed to admit that I did not think about that. In real time, I was just like collecting like what the hell just happened on this drive. and I did not think about applying it to the kickoff. I would much rather apply to the kickoff for sure. Yeah, because then that first play, you're in Jake Elliott's range basically right away. I haven't seen anything official on it,

but from what I had gathered via Twitter is that the NFL changed the rule this off season that it automatically applies to the extra point that you cannot apply to the kids. So you can't trust AI. Yeah, I mean, I'll say, like I'll say not to puff like the Eagles up here, but, you know, they have people in the booth who are pretty sharp with the rules. Like John Ferrari, he used to work in the league office.

And they're pretty up to date on all those rules. Now, there's a lot that happens in real time in terms of getting the message down to the coach and whatnot. But it would surprise me if there was a rule that they were unfamiliar with. Hmm. Fran, I mean, Zach, I want to ask Fran this when he watches the film tomorrow, but Jahan Dotson, you know, you trade a third round pick for the guy. It's only been two games, and it obviously takes some time to ingratiate him into the offense. But in a game in which you don't have A.J. Brown, he felt completely absent once again.

I think he had one catch. One catch six yards. One catch for six yards. Yeah. What's up with that? Yeah. So first off, on the telecast tonight, as I'm sure the viewers heard, Lisa Salter said that she spoke to AJ Brown before the game. AJ said that he's going to miss a few weeks.

I asked Nick Siriani if that's how he's operating. Nick wouldn't answer the question there. But I bring that up because this is something the Eagles are going to have to deal with. It surprised me the way this offense functioned. And at one point late in the fourth or in the middle of the fourth quarter, Britt and Covey had more targets than Dallas Goddard, Jehan Dodson, and Saquan-Barkley combined. Now, Saquan-Barkley had a target on, you know, late in the game, of course. And then Dallas-Codder had a catch on that penultimate drive.

But I like Britain Covey. I think Britt and Covey would tell you that should not. be the case. So yeah, I mean, Jahan Dodson is, he's in his, what, fourth week here or third week here in Philly. He's here to have a role in this situation, whether it's a matter of Jalen not having that chemistry with him or how it goes into progression. They needed more from Dodson tonight. Frankly, they needed more from Dallas Goddard tonight. I thought that they weren't getting enough through the air from those weapons. And it was a little too much. Britton Covey and Grand Cacrathera.

Any other color from the locker room? Worth Passing a line? Yeah. So I was not in on Janeline. I don't know if you played Jalen on the show, but from talking to guys in the locker room, the coaching staff actually did not address the team after the game. Jalen Hertz did all the talking after the game. Jalen's the one who spoke to the team.

As it was described to me, or as it was described by one of the players, it's a player-led team. And that was why they took the approach that they did. You know, C.J. Garner Johnson said that in colorful language, that they have to, you know, pick their effing heads up here. And, you know, they got a lot of football left. That was kind of the approach that he was taking.

but yeah I mean I would say that I found it interesting that Jalen said he or that the other player said Jalen did all the talking after the game that explains the voice a little bit yeah Zach so we did play most of Jalen's press conference and his voice was a little bit worse as if he had been okay yeah yeah yeah I mean I think that's very interesting yeah I thought Like I said at the top of our conversation here, it was telling to me how quickly Jalen was dressed and ready to get out of there. And that might be like inside baseball for, you know, like, yeah, because Jalen is, as our viewers know, from watching these postgame shows last year, how often I was late coming up because I was waiting for Jalen. I think I made a joke that my third book will be titled Waiting for Jalen.

There was no waiting for Jalen tonight. Actually, Jalen was the one doing the waiting. And so I think that spoke volumes there. And overall, you know, I need to go back and listen to the Darius Lay audio. Slay was talking when Sireani was going and I wanted to be in on Nick. But I saw Slay said on social media that this is on him, him. You know, I, I, I was in on Sequin Berkeley tonight. Saquan Barclay, you know, said he didn't come through for the team. That was his sentiment and that, you know, it was a play that he needs

to make. And I agree with that. Like, Sequin, Sequin can't drop that pass. But speaking to a few of the defensive backs, the thing you kept hearing was, you know, the soft spots in the zone. The thing is this. It is, you know, it was 58. and a half minutes, right? And then you saw what happened in the last minute and a half. I asked Reed Blankenship. Like, was it was, and this goes to the decision to kick the field, was it like hard to regroup there and go out on the field? And I'll defer to Vinny on this one here. I got to imagine like you're, you know, you're a defensive player. You think you won the game with that stop. You think the offense is, is just going to wear the, you know, it's going to wear this

clock out, you're not really ready to go, you know, you like, like, you have to emotionally regroup to go back out on the field there to have a critical drive. So I, that's, I was really surprised when Siriani kicked the field goal for, for that reason, too. Like, like, why, why even expose your defense to that? The pass rush hadn't been getting home all day. And, and Kirk Cousins, you know, for as, as much as Bo has fun with the, with the, with the Melvin line, that's the first time I've ever said Melbourne before for him. You know, he can he can flat out make plays. Like, like we've, we've seen him make plays. I mean, I don't, I don't mean to bring this up to Vinny, but I, I remember some of those, those Eagles of Washington games in like 2015 when Kirk Cousins was,

was, was, was, was money, you know, late in this season. Five career versus the Eagles, Zach. Yeah. So I bring that up as well, saying like, like my, you know, look, I, I, I, I, I, I, I know people will say this is why I'm not the head coach, and I get that. But I try to win the game there. And I say you have three yards to win the game. Like go win the game. The same logic that you have on the third down, the same confidence you have on third down, have that confidence on fourth down.

That's the approach I would take. And if you don't get it, you still have a chance to win the game. It's not, yeah. Yes. Yeah. That's a no-brainer. On the Kirk Cousinstown, this week on the show, I called him the barometer. If you looked at the times the Eagles have beaten.

him that three times they beat him by double digit points they go to the super bowl that season the six times now seven times that they have lost they've never won more than nine games in the season so kirk cousins sort of the bellwether that was a growing game is not good now zach before we let you go we know you're going to go get to writing for all phtlwine dot com but you did mention there you know the third book might be uh waiting for jalen we are now the clock has struck midnight on tuesday We are a week away, Zach, from the release of your second book. So with the big post-game show audience, I want to give you a chance to plug that bad boy. I appreciate that, Bo.

Coming out on Tuesday the 24th is the franchise, the Felt Up Eagles, a curated history of the birds. It looks at the last 25 years, you'll relive a lot of moments that weren't like tonight. You'll relive some of the... There were some of the... There were some of the... Yeah, you'll relive some of the more exciting moments. And, you know, it's kind of the, you'll learn about some of the decisions. The iconic players, you know, I spoke to Fletcher Cox before the game tonight.

Fletcher is featured in this book. Nick Foles, I spoke to before the game. Nick Foles is featured in this book. I saw Jason Kelsey as I was walking back up here. Jason Kelsey's featured in this book. You know, all the quarterbacks from the past 25 years. years and it's a it's a collection of some new reporting a lot of the reporting from my 13 years on the beat and research that i've done uh or or that i did last summer and uh writing this book uh so uh looking forward to that that i appreciate that

if i go yeah no i i was going to circle back the one last point i want to make about the game but i'll answer your question real i wanted to know what what fletcher's advice was for viny that you that you shared on social media yeah vinny i got i'm i'm going to read this verbatim here okay because i i said fletcher as you know fletcher was the original now he wasn't on the post game show but he was uh he was our co-host last year and he he said i'm pulling this up here he said speak from your heart speak the truth you're a retired player now you're on the outside looking in but give the people what they want and that's the truth uh so that's that's from um That's all it does.

Truth tell you? Yeah. What was the thing you wanted to close on? Yeah, it's just like how devastating this loss is for the team in this sense is now they're getting home tonight, you know, at what, 12, 30, 1 o'clock. Tomorrow's a recovery day. They're back Wednesday. My guess is they'll have a walk through Wednesday. It won't be a full practice.

So it's a short week. You're not at home. You're on the road. in New Orleans, a team that is hot, that plays, you know, that has this home field advantage. The Eagles could have been two and oh, sitting, you know, sitting in real good position. Now you're one in one with two road games ahead of you. New Orleans, then Miami. I'm sorry, New Orleans than Tampa Bay.

Two out of the teams in the NFL, Zach. Yeah. Like, you'll look back. I think that the Eagles could look back at this game at the end of the season. And I don't want to say it's hyperbole to say this is an inflection point. But this is like I don't think I'm overstating, just how devastating this loss was considering where it fell in the schedule. I think that's well said, Zach.

We look forward to what you're going to write about it on all p.hly.com. And we will talk to you on the pHLY Eagle Show tomorrow at 2 o'clock. Appreciate it. And the connection was strong, right? Connection was strong. You did a good job. Don't blow. Sucking dry, Zach.

He's stalling. I'm trying to wait for a connection to drop. I lost it. I was wondering. Why do you think I haven't to ask one question the entire? I give all the credit to Julia. All right, guys. Thank you.

Thank you, Zach. All right. You know what? Let's have like a five-minute respite of good, positive thoughts. And then we can get back to complaining at the end. Vittenden, I do want to ask you. Zach mentioned that, you know, Nick Folles had his retirement press conference night. I wonder what your favorite Nick Foll's story is.

Oh, man. I got a, I got one. I'm not sure what the year this was, maybe 13 or 14. Early in his career. Yeah, yeah. We was doing like an OTA. I don't know, it was an OTA or the... Minicamp.

Yeah, a minicap. And everybody was like, you know, we'll go shoot around. I said, well, sure, I can't put no basketball. I'm just going to watch. You know what I mean? Like, bro, this man came out there. I swear. he was dunking

he was like prince that was crazy what yeah he was like yo bro this is what I do bro it's so smooth it was like it was crazy it was crazy I was like dang

he was a very good high school basketball recruited to playing college basketball yeah it was a piece bro yeah it was a piece Nick Foz is a monster on that basketball court but I guess you know you just getting out of practice or got finished running or whatever

it was like yeah It was just so sparing the moment that you kind of forget. And this dude really played basketball. He was cooking cat. And then you had me there like, ooh, he's cooking, you? It was crazy. And then how about the Super Bowl itself? You know, what was your vantage point of the Philly special?

But that was crazy. And then he called it himself. If you watch Super Bowl, you'll see some of the Devis of players. We got up to go watch it. Like, you know, this is going to work. You knew what's coming? Yeah. Yeah. It was crazy, bro.

And when it worked, it was like, oh, they did it. You know, because they've been practicing that. So that was cool to see. All right. It's a nice little positive. Sure. Who was good for you tonight, friend? Who would you like to give a shout out to?

I mean, I thought J-Lad Hertz was good tonight. I thought Sequin Barclay was good tonight. I thought Thomas Booker was good. Yeah, Thomas Booker. The guy on the defensive line you get excited about, Thomas Booker. The official number of Kemp Crush. Thomas Booker. Yeah, outside of that, that's probably those parties played by C.J. Garner Johnson, we should say.

That could have been the game winning fourth down stop. That was a really nice play. Yep. We may have taken his helmet off and probably deserve a penalty, but that would have been post-play anyway. Yeah, would have been all right. That was very good. He did miss a couple of the tackles, but that was a huge play. One on the touchdown, yep.

Yeah, I mean, that's close to about it. Yeah, I mean, I kind of feel awful for Sequin because at the end of the day, if he catches that ball, which he does. Sure. Probably nearly at 100% rate that open. It's game over. And none of these conversations had. He was.

We're talking about again, a flawed team. Sure. Found a way to win. And they're in good position of two and up. And wow. You know, what a play call that was there by Siriani on third and three with the game on the line. I feel bad for him because he was the best player on the field tonight.

It felt like. I got to say from watching that game in person, it felt so different watching him. like I didn't appreciate it as much as I did on TV. He has more juice. He looks more electric than any running back. I can remember at least since LaShawn McCoy. And it wasn't like that when he was on the Giants and I watched him play in person. He looks, it has been sort of like the theory behind if you get him in this offense, how good he could look.

He got the far bodyguards in front of him. Yeah. And I thought Mackay Beckton, you know, in the run game tonight was just he was moving people. Him and Lane, I mean, both sides of the ball. like and cam jerkins was getting out and and showing some athleticism the night i mean just run the ball like i'm like you i'm not going to be down at the nova care tomorrow like roll the blunt but like damn so the one answer i want to say real quick about nick syriani that kind of drove me a little nuts there oh yes was it jimmy johnson this or some old school concussion uncle used to say like i don't care

if they have the damn playbook sometimes you just got to run the ball down their throw yeah yeah And his whole spiel about, well, sometimes on third and three, you got to run it. Sometimes you got to throw it. Sometimes you got to do this. No, sometimes you just got to jam it down their throat and end the game. And like, I didn't hate the decision for the past play. But like that answer really kind of chat my ass. Like, no, sometimes you just run it right out.

I don't even like him saying that he regretted, he maybe regretted the early fourth down go because they missed it. Like, this is the whole thing we've been talking about. Yep. You got to commit to it. Because that's when it works is when it plays out over the long haul. and to be so results based in his like looking back thinking is I would imagine Jeffrey Lurie is listening to those answers and looking at the way he coached this game

and he is really, really upset knowing the things that he cares about. You think Belichick texted Jefford tonight? He was there tonight. I was there across the street. You can't date the analysis. Got a matter. Coach Flynn. Next gen just shared a few a few nuggets.

Okay. Oh, I'm not going to like any of this at my friend. I'll start with positive. All right. We were positive for like four minutes before we got negative. We'll keep the positive travel. One other bit of levity. All right.

So Sequant Barclay dropped what would have been a game clinching pass from Jalen Hertz on third down. But Barclay forced 10 mistackles on 26 touches in his second game with the Eagles. Finishing with over 100 scrimmage yards. It looked awesome. For the second time as many games, his nine mistackles force are the most of any ball carrier in week two. Barkley took advantage when the falcons showed a light box at the snap. That's six or fewer defenders in the box. 77 yards on 13 carries.

Now, this is interesting considering that. third down play call, only 18 yards on nine carries when there was a loaded box. So they didn't do as well when Atlanta was able to stuff the box there from a defensive standpoint. Also, Jalen Hertz, despite holding on to the ball for an average of 3.42 seconds, I think a lot of that's thrown off by a lot of the scrambles, but 3.42 seconds. Hertz was pressured on just six of his 35 dropbacks, the second lowest pressure rate he was facing a game in his entire career. Hurts did not throw a single deep pass over 20 air yards until the final interception of the game, but did finish seven for a hundred and two yards and a touchdown targeting the intermediate area of the field,

so 10 to 19. So there's a lot of those intermediate chunk plays. I'm interested to go back and see on the film. Did Atlanta do something to kind of set a ceiling on the offense on the past game to try and take away a lot of those deep balls? He also gained 85 rushing yards and 13 carries, nine successful runs and four runs of 10 plus yards. So certainly one of his best days on the ground. I don't know if you guys want me to go through the defensive stuff

because there's some bad defensive plays in there too. Let's finish the lighter part and then we'll get to the defense. This is the last bit of levity. I think you're going to like this one. Jamie, you mentioned Mackay Beckton. This is courtesy of our friend Tim Harris, our friend, our friend from, Timbo's Lice.

He goes, look at this graphic that ESPN had. Is that a back butt of Mackay Becht in their animation? He's got no butt where his butt is, but then he's got a butt on his back. That's a back butt. What the hell? What is that? Come on, ESPN.

What is that? McCaibacken's got to be madder about that, then he is the result of this game. Look at that picture. The offense alive was great today. What is that? What kind of body is that? That's what AI gives you.

That's right. All right. Okay, give us those disheartening defense's stuff. Somehow I'll get from this. All right, let's go to the final drive. Kirk Cousins led the Falcons on a six-plice. 70-yard game-winning touchdown drive in the final minute of the game

to beat the Eagles 22 to 21 on the road. Cousins was 5 of 6 for 70 yards and a touchdown on that final drive completing plus 26.2% of his passes over-expected compared to minus 4.3 entering the drive. So basically, really, I think a lot of that is those two big ones to Darnel Mooney down the field.

Those are not high probability completions there. On the night, Cousins did not complete a single pass from outside the tackle box, 0 for 1, But, and that's the thing I was the pass rush. Like, he was confined in that tight space. You couldn't, still couldn't get to him. But he moved around more in the pocket than in week one, averaging five, five yards per dropback against the Eagles, compared to just 3.1 per dropback against the Steelers.

Lastly, so some Bejohn Robinson numbers. I was shocked that he only had 14 carries on the night, by the way, Bejohn. It felt like a lot more than that. Unbelievable. Bejohn Robinson had a strong day on the ground. I could say that again, with 14 carries for 97 yards. his 6.9 yards per carry is the second highest mark of his career. Robinson also added four catches for 25 yards, forcing six mistackles on 18 total touches on the night.

After taking almost every carry from the pistol formation in week one, and then we're just getting to use of stuff there from the formational stuff with Atlanta. So, yeah, Bejohn Robinson looked really good. Kirk Cousins operated really highly on that final drive and did not move from the pocket the entire night and was still barely touched. Vinny, where does Kirk Cousins rank in like your least favorite quarterbacks to play against? He's up there. He's up there. I did go through your sacks today to see if there was one we could pull.

No Kirk Cousin sacks for you, unfortunately. Yeah, this is. Too sneaky. This is crazy. Do you know which quarterback you sack the most? Do you? Something tells me about this. All right, good.

I have it here somewhere. You said Kirklanders is what, you said seven and six? Seven and five or seven and five now against the Eagles. Is Eli? Eli is going to be up there. It's Eli. It's Eli. Yeah.

And R. You three, the way asking you, you know, he had a little rotation. Yep. Yep. Yeah, you just got to play the six sacks against the six seconds. Probability. You probably played him the most of anyone. So that's why I want with him.

Good stuff. You want probability, Bo? The Falcons had just a 0.7% chance of winning the game with a minute 56 left in the fourth quarter. So that's what the second down or the third down, I guess the third down, right before the third down. Yeah. Less than 1% chance to win the game and that happened. So Vinnie, you sometimes hear guys say that after a loss like this, it's kind of nice to have a short week. Do you think that's fair?

Like you got to get back to business quicker? Yeah, no, they'll get back to business, man. And like I said, they'll get it together. But I'm pretty sure the fans going to let them hear it. The coach is going to let them hear it. So how much, like, all right, now you're retired, right? You know, the players in the locker room, nah, we don't listen to any of the outside noise.

No, we don't listen to the sports radio. We don't read the press. How much, how much is it getting listened to? Or is it honestly like a blackout media zone? Let me tell you all something. Where, we're at? Yeah, yeah, right there. Get this man on camera wants.

This one right here. Yeah. That building tomorrow. going to be quiet. The asshole is going to be tight. I'm telling you, you never want to lose. Especially here, like the expectation is so high, you know, and I guarantee the part of the coaches probably sleep in the office tonight, breaking out his film.

All right, but you got like, I don't know how long your commute to the NovaCare was. You're not tempted a little bit to throw on a podcast, a radio. or read some print about what people are saying. Okay. Did you see how they lost tonight in tonight's fashion? Yeah. Would you want to turn the radio on? Probably if they were talking about me.

Fuck. Yeah, that's bad. That'll piss your day off. Yeah, yeah. Your whole day would be thrown off. Can you believe they said this? You know what I mean? Yeah, right.

You'd be turned to me. Somebody's listening because you guys are aware of what's being said, obviously, right? Is a coach Translady? No, you are Is PR talking to you about? Yeah, PR.

Yeah, you just ask PR. You're like, yo, what's the world? Yeah. If, then, you know, now they just jump right on your Instagram or your Twitter. That's true. Like, damn. Block.

You know what I mean? So what are you listening to? Um. Yeah, what's your mind? Get your mind right like next morning. Next morning. So if we was to lose like this, I'd be like, damn, what the, we didn't do, bro?

You know, like, was there a game left out there? Like, I'm speaking from a defensive line at the standpoint. Was it a game left out there? The first thing I used to do is just called Fletch in the morning. And he was like, what, man? Man, who would want me, man? Yo, what you're doing? And then we'll know we'll be grumpy for like the first 60 seconds of the phone call,

but then we'll start getting, diving into him. So what's a, what's a night like after a game like that? I like that. Like how much are you, do you instantly want to watch it? Are you just mentally replaying it or are you checking out and going to bed? Can you go to bed? No, you can't go to bed. We just be up.

That's why I said the first thing in the morning. You know, I used to make that phone call then. So what time you think you're getting to bed after a prime time game a loss like that. I don't know because I'm, I'm pissed. This game gave me a headache. I don't know if I'm going to be able to go to sleep, so I couldn't imagine playing it.

You know, only because the birds, man, they deserve to win this game. Yeah. They fought too to win this game, you know? It's just like, damn. I got to, like, and if I'm a player, I know that this season is maybe like too much is being made of what is Nick Siriani's role?

But the Eagles lost this game because of Nick Siriani tonight. Yeah, but the player never ever goes. I know the players would never say that, right? And they wouldn't put that on them, on him. Yeah, yeah. Everybody has to do their own individual better job. But to me, the objective truth of this game is that is why they lost this game. Is that he bungled those decisions at the end of the game?

We can talk about it all week. Go ahead. Right. And then once again, you start saying, how many rushing yards do he have again? He had 97? What's the other one have? Yeah, 50-something. You get what I'm saying?

The worst run defense in football right now. You get what I'm saying? Now, if they would have like 30 yards rushing, 40, 50 yards rushing, I even give it a total of maybe 80 yards, total 80 yards rushing. It's a different conversation. Sure. You know, but when you start looking at stuff like that, it's like, damn, you know, we really didn't give the offense a chance to even do as good as they did.

So you know, Vic, a little bit. Walk us through real quick. I don't want to keep us here all night. Like, walk us through tomorrow morning. Like, what is that like when you enter the building? How intensive is the film breakdown? I never got the, I never got to play for V. But you knew him because he was hanging around as a consultant,

a little bit, all that. Like, what is the general vibe in the defensive film rooms or team meeting rooms tomorrow? Man, I'm pretty sure he's going to, he's going to, he's going to choose a couple people out, you know. And is that embarrassed in front of the whole team? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. He's not embarrassing, but, you know,

you know, you want to be held, accountable, you know, because at the end of the day, as much as we love the sport, this is our job, this is our livelihood as well, you know what I'm saying? So you got to freaking play like it, you know? You got to play with a sense of urgency, you know, people always like, man, you play hard as hell. Like, it might be my last play, yeah. Like, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, this is it.

I mean, and us, you know, just has Eagle fans and us now doing that media, I always want to do what you see, since your urgency and see people playing. And so is run defense I mean are there schematic things that they can do Or is it in your mind Does it sort of come down to like those guys up front Have to man up

Got a man up You got it You know Got a man up That's it Now and I would love When you when you break down the film tomorrow I was just thinking about this

I know I got back on this But thinking about Jen Carter I wonder how many times he was doubled tonight Yeah he was probably double a lot I think he was double tonight because I did see other people who had one-on-one rushes and they just didn't win. Sure. And when he finally got the one-on-one, it popped down right on the screen right away.

And we was able to call it out. So I would love to see how many times he got double because I feel like he was getting ready to make a huge impact in that game. And it was like, oh, no, big fella. And you did have an interesting idea popping to your head during this show. During the press conference. Is there a trade to be made for the Eagles? with the guy that they just traded to the Jets.

Are they so desperate that they decide to trade for and and pay Hassan Reddick? I mean, it's a sum cost for them. The Jets got to be listening, right? Yeah, I mean, like... I don't know. And the Jets did just lose Jermaine Johnson, so they now have even more incentive to potentially bring...

Reddick, but we'll see how that goes. Bryce should get going. You feel so. Yeah. Is this friend friend, uh... He better get going. Vinny told me or is his analyst, Vinny talking.

He better get going. He better get going. Listen. But you know, you got to understand, understand the job you signed up for, right? And then you came to a place where they eat sleep and, you know, bleed defensive linemen. So at the end of the day, that's the number one thing that's going to get magnified.

Defensive linemen play and quarterback play. Final thoughts from you, Jamie? I mean, that's about his deflating of all. loss. I genuinely like my heart kind of breaks for Sequin a little bit. Because I mean, keep your head up, brother. Yeah, like that that's going to be replaying in his head all week. He's going to be thinking about that every half hour, every minute of the day. Like to let your team down when you had the game like that, that's got to be just like a devastating blow. Defensively, just what a collapse at the end there. It's brutal. It's brutal. And now you got to go to New Orleans. It's a

tough place to play and Derek Carr looks like a new man all of a sudden and short week maybe is good but man that sucked tough turf right yeah new Orleans yeah yeah hostile environment yeah where's that up there for you like tough places to play uh it's definitely i will say it's definitely tough top top five yeah i would ever say definitely tough five yeah it gets loud in there it does get loud yeah it's definitely top five um there's some tough places to play out there yeah let's uh let's run through our chats before we close out. We've got a few of them. So thanks everybody for bringing those in.

Idiot Sandwich says, Vinnie, can you play? Soft as D.L. we've had in a while. We've already been over that. Vinnie's with us now. Daniel says, I'm so mad. Going to bed. We'll listen in the a.m. Peck nest migrate, not based on Lori, but who is the most responsible for this five-win team?

Nick Hertz, Howie. I don't know how the peck-ness migrate works there, but for me, this game specifically is that this is a nest for for Nick and then maybe a maybe a peck for Howie and a migrate for Hertz because I think I don't I don't think that Jalen was at fault

for this one. Chris says Falcons ran stretch runs over and over again at Huff could be something to watch moving forward. You noticed that as well, right, friend? Yeah, they ran a ton of zone and not only would you blame Huff on that but Vinny and I talked about it at halftime the linebackers on the ground. The number of times I saw 53 his jersey facing the sky not ideal.

So that's something we'll certainly look at on the film. Now Jason says we don't need to include Nick's press conferences going forward. I think that is up for debate

but we're trying to figure that out. I think we have gotten some feedback otherwise. People do enjoy getting to see that especially since one stop shopping, right? One stop shopping, yeah.

Mike just, giving us that free 99 cents. Love that Mike. Big fan of your work. Santiago says, Booker better than J.D. And Nolan better than Huff and Schwartz better than Fangeo.

I mean, I'll tell you what, I definitely agree with that last one. And I know we have talked about how good Jim Schwartz was. We can get to that later in the season. And then Jalen says two yards per run in a loaded box all day on third and four. So there you go. Fran, I guess let's close with for you. What are the things that you are most looking forward to finding out once you watch the film tomorrow? Pass game.

What was available or not available downfield for Jalen? What did he look like overall? just because we don't always get those angles watching the broadcast. And then defensively, I don't know that there's going to be anything to see on the final drive. I'm curious. Yeah, what exactly happened on the final drive from a coverage standpoint? And then the run defense, just looking at that, have an idea of what we're going to see, but just being able to play it back over and over and watch that down will be interesting.

To your point, Jamie earlier, about, you know, Sequin replaying this in his head. All these guys, I mean, Darius Slays in the locker room saying this is on me. Queenie Mitchell is in the locker room saying, yeah, but Slay gave up the last play, but I gave up the two before that. So I put him into bad spot. All these guys are going to be saying that, you know, for the rest of this week. So this should be a team that, you know, playing with a chip on their shoulder by the time we get to Sunday. But, you know, you got to carry that through.

And yet to me, the story of this game is going to be the decisions by Nick Siriani at the end of this game. 22 to 21 is how the Eagles go down and fall to one-and-one Sirianni's decision to pass the ball on third down. and even worse, take the field goal. Going up six, this is a, this is like a thing that every NFL head coach should know at this point. That is the wrong decision and it's why the Eagles have lost this game. And I hope that it is not the thing that we look back on at the end of the season as the beginning of potentially the end for Nick Sirianic head coach, because this is supposed to be his main job. So, Bob, sort of gut check time for everybody. Before we get out of here, the bet 365 line for next week is out.

Would you like to take a guess? I'm going to guess. The Superdough. I mean, Saints by half a point. No, there are going to be more. Saints, we'll say one and a half. You're both humming right around it. Saints are minus one next week in New Orleans.

There you go. Fresh off the press. It wasn't out a little bit of a go. So I just circled back and there you have it. And we will have that ready for you for full coverage next Sunday here on PHY. And by the way, if you feel like, you know, given Sequin and Barclay a bit of a pick-me-up after the drop, we have our new Saquine Barclay merchandise,

which you can buy on the Ph.LY Locker. p.lylocker.com, road to victory. A nice little image of his travels from Penn State to now in Philadelphia. So that'll do it for this episode of the Ph.LY Eagles postgame show presented by Bet365. We will be back tomorrow, 2 o'clock. Myself, Fran, and Zach Berman to talk about this game. and some of the takeaways, and we've got you covered the whole week,

2 o'clock on pHly and all-Phly.com for Zach Berman's writing, and Fran's going to have all of his All-22 coverage as well. So that'll do it for this episode. Thanks to Vinnie Curry, Jamie Lynch, Fran Duffy, Julia for making it all happen behind the scenes and everybody else for tuning in live. We will talk to you later, and as always, we love you.