PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | Philadelphia Eagles cleared of tampering charges in Saquon Barkley pursuit

Episode Date: June 13, 2024

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podcast on a Thursday, a newsy Thursday, Zach. You said, you don't usually get those on June 13th, but we got one today. How you doing? I'm doing well. Excited for the show. Did prep work. You and I were texting last night about some depth chart stuff was having some opinions ready. I'm driving into work and I get a slew of messages about the Saquan news. So yeah, it is June 13th. You don't typically get this type of stuff. And then I'm in the office. We get Merrill Reese news. So it's going to be a fun show because if you're just, you're, well, you're tuning in now live at noon, you might not know some of the stuff going on. And we're here to break it down in the moment. Well, let's do that. We're going to talk about Merrill. We'll talk about, we're going to take a little spin around the roster and look at

where the Eagles are depth chart wise and how fortified are they for injury at some of the important positions. We'll rank that. But let's talk about the Saquan-Barkley news first. Zach, the Eagles acquitted of all charges. They did not tamper with Saquan-Barkley, says, your boy, Roger Goodell. Well, I don't think Roger was involved here. I don't think he was uninvolved. But the Giants fan would tell you that they did not discover sufficient evidence, not that it might not have happened, right?

So we'll get into this conversation. But the NFL statement, and I will read this verbatim here. After a thorough review. Burtum. Thanks for interrupting me for that. That was important. Just imagine if the roles were reversed. If you were in the middle of reading, a formal statement about a three-month investigation,

and I put in a joke about that. This is what you would have done. Yeah, it would have been right to do it. All right. After a thorough review of the Feldorf Eagle's signing of Sequin Barclay, the NFL today informed the club that the investigation did not discover sufficient evidence to support a finding that the anti- tampering policy was violated. In coming to this conclusion, the league reviewed phone logs, text messages,

and other documents related to Philadelphia's free agency strategy and decision to sign Berkeley. The NFL also interviewed several members of the organization, including Howie Roseman and Nick Siriani, as well as Barkley and Penn State head coach James Franklin. As with every review, should new evidence be uncovered, the league may reopen the investigation. So just to give a quick 30-second recap of what occurred, James Franklin said that the Eagles were pitching this hometown angle to him, the proximity to where he grew up in Whitehall, Pennsylvania, and playing at Penn State. And then there were people who said, whoa, you're not about to talk to Sequin Barclay during the negotiation period. You can only talk to Sequin Barclay's agent.

The Eagles quickly said, hey, we did not do anything wrong, right? This is, you know, this did not happen. We talked about at the time, I don't want to speak for you, for you, but I think we were in agreement that, Howie Roseman, he was an experienced GM, is probably like, probably covering his tracks on certain things. He wouldn't be so reckless. Howie Roseman is not sloppy. Yes, exactly. So, and then, and Jeffrey Lurie says at the owner's meetings, because this is, look, you got, you got a lot of reporters in New York who are like, you know, salvating.

This is juicy. Eagles tampered. Well, it's also, it's worth saying that the Falcons were found guilty of tampering with Kirk Cousins. Exactly. So this is not like the league is just turning a blind eye. Yeah, and the Kansas City Chiefs once tampered with Jeremy McElin, they got trouble for that. The Cardinals tampered with Jonathan Gannon got in trouble for that.

So this does occur. So the Eagles were basically like, hey, bring it on. And I think behind the scenes, they were pretty confident that they didn't do anything wrong. And I think there might have been a little damage control on their end if they did do something wrong, like poo-pooing it or, you know, trying to kind of. of, oh, it's not that big a deal. This always happens. I think behind the scenes, their position was, was, no, we didn't do anything wrong here. And so then the, well, go ahead.

Yeah. So, so then, then this comes out. And it comes out today that, yeah, the Eagles did not tamper or they did not find sufficient evidence that the Eagles tampered. What do you think the perception of James Franklin is in the Novacare complex these days? Like seriously You know I was I was thinking about this You know I look I I joked on air the other day That like I'm very by the book with with with my computer If you looked it up

Like you wouldn't find anything You joke because we know that you're not No no I am you said I You wouldn't find anything nefarious And then I feel the same thing with my text messages Sabinhub.com That said I don't want like the NFL Searching all my text messages

You never know what you can find in there right So, yeah, so besides the fact that this created like an unnecessary firestorm, if you will, from James Franklin, besides the fact that they had investigators speak to Howie and Nick and Sequin and it's like, do we have to do we really have to do this? The house has a turnover phones and phone records and, yeah, for them to be found no sufficient evidence. are you surprised that this is the result? No, I kind of agree with you. Now, I'm not like saying... I found this thing kind of farcical from the beginning. Like, the idea that, first of all,

like people in the chat are calling James Franklin a clown. This is kind of clown behavior. Like, James Franklin is not like... Do we believe that James Franklin is like Sequin Barclay's closest confidant? That like Sequan is running everything at this point in his life, five years into his career through James Franklin? And like James Franklin's like holding his hand through the free agency process. No, right?

That's preposterous. So James Franklin is taking this opportunity to steal the shine from his best player ever. And you and like repurpose it from a recruiting standpoint. Right? Like as if he was in the weeds of these conversations, give me a break. And to then everybody take that seriously. Like, oh, well, James Franklin said it, it must be true. How he's been doing this for however long.

Like he knows the rules. He's not a moron. And just the whole thing is kind of stupid. Well, two comments there. First off, I would not ridicule anybody for speaking to everyone they know about an important career decision. You might have talked to James Franklin, actually. They might be like a third grade teacher who's like, hey, what do you think about this, right? But no, in all seriousness, I think that I'm not saying the Eagles are like goody-two-shoes in that.

I imagine there's conversations with agents at the combine before the negotiation period where it's like, you know, it's, is. And there's a reason that everybody signs within the first hour for agency. Exactly. Well, you know, and, you know, who might be available and what would, in theory, be the price range or that kind of? Like, I'm not naive there. I don't think they would do anything as like clumsily as, like, calling Seqa. Yeah. And say, here, let's have a documented exchange when we're not allowed to.

Yes. That's exactly right. They know the things that they are able to get away with and allowed to get away with and the things that they are not. And like, yeah, exactly. It's something that Howie's probably very good at. Exactly. Exactly. So, yeah, I saw, you know, some Giants reporters like pick up on the sufficient evidence part of it.

I don't think the Eagles were clumsy in their negotiations. I think that they clearly targeted Saquan. They clearly knew what it would take to get Sequan. So there had to be a lot there going into free agency. Like it's not as if I can't imagine Sequin just knew on the day of free agency that the Eagles were interested. But I don't think the Eagles who did anything nefarious to the point of like reaching out to Sequin and having this conversation. I think it's funny to think of like all of a sudden James Franklin is like Howie's least favorite person in football. Yeah.

They went through my text messages because of you do. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And I do wonder because actually that was one of the things that came out of, you know, the flake gate a few years ago was all of like Tom Brady's text messages being exposed to the world kind of thing. Yeah, Howie's probably like, I don't want the league to look at my text messages. So James Franklin makes that, makes that happen. How do you think Sequin feels about all of this? it's probably just laughing like yeah this is unnecessary for him too you know he's he's he wants to help Penn State as much as he can right and does he know no I mean like he goes he signs in the

next day he's at their pro day yeah right he's proud of Penn State right right so but like he doesn't want to get yeah he's like look if if you he's probably saying James if you want to say if you want to say that you just got you know your your former running back was number two in the draft and now he signs a contract for $13 million a year go for it. But like don't, you know, don't put me in the middle of this tampering investigation. Yeah, very great. All right. What was the, what was the Falcons punishment?

Fifth round pick? Fifth round pick, which, which seems pretty slight for three free agents. Yeah. Yeah, seems pretty slight because there have been, you know, I think the Miami Dolphins, they lost the first round there for contacting Tom Brady, like working something out with Tom Brady. So I don't know the degree of what it is. I just saw the ruling.

But I think, you know, Kirk Cousins was like house shopping in Atlanta. Now he does have family down. You know, his wife is from Georgia. So maybe they, like we said, you know who your potential targets are. You know, especially if you're a quarterback, you know what teams need a quarterback. You know what teams are willing to spend on a quarterback. So it's it's not as if one day You're just like oh this team's interested

But if I had the guess And this is I suppose this comes off as a knock on the Falcons But between if I had the guess Which front office would be a little loose with the rules I would guess the Falcons more so than the Eagles Why? Because there's just less experience Like you said like Howie

There's things Howie's not good at Is it dumber is basically That's not at all what I'm suggesting That's not at all what I'm suggesting. It's just like we said, like how he has his shortcomings. But I think 15 plus years into this, he probably knows what he can and can't get away with.

That's right. Exactly. Okay. The other big news of the day, Zach, Hall of Fame, congratulations to Merrill Reese going into the Hall of Fame. What is it? the Pete Roselle. It is the Pete Roselle Award, right? Yep. So I, let me pull this up here because I have that as well. Merrill Reese is going to the Pro Football Hall fame. He's this year's recipient of the 2004 Pete Roselle Radio Television Award. And this is a, what an honor. Well deserved. For a long time listeners of our show and our previous show, you know that Bo has particular reverence for the president of the Pro Football Hall for. That's a position that you hold that you hold an highest seat.

Okay. I'm just, I'm happy that that's not how they informed Merrill. They didn't knock on his door in the middle of the night with a big ogre. Don't say that. That's not nice. Hey, Merrill, congratulations. You're going to the hall. That's not nice.

But Jim Porter, who's now the president of the Pro Football Hall fame, he said, quote, each year of the Hall of Fame recognizes. You ever seen Monsters Inc? Once again, I'm in the middle of reading a quote. You can introduce me. I'm just going to do with you do. I feel like You want to crowd this show to a screeching hole. I feel like David Baker would have been the scariest monster

and Monster Sink in at least the first half of the movie before they, you know, pivot to searching for laughter instead. Look, as someone who is smaller on the, you know, than the average human being, I don't discriminate for someone who's big or small. Like you, you know. How about someone who's like a guilty of campaign finance? You are who you are.

Well, that's the different, right? If you want to comment on actions, fine. Do you want to comment on size? Well, that's part and parcel. That's how he was born. He tried to make the Hall of Fame about himself. What I'm saying, but that's how he was born. I'm not going to like size shame a person or that kind of thing.

So can I continue with the quote or do you still have more David Baker commentary? I'm never done with David Baker material. All right. Each year, the Hall of Fame recognizes an individual who has dedicated their career to improving radio and television. in professional football. And this year's recipient, Merrill Reese represents exactly what we look for when we talk about who's made a big impact in broadcasting. For nearly a half century, fans tuning in to Eagles games, including opposing fans,

have had the privilege of hearing Merrill's legendary voice. Yeah, Merrill, and he's an institution in this market. I was saying the example out there, my father-in-law is who's near and dear to me. he's an eagle season ticket holder has has been for a while and he goes to the games with his headphones so does dan is and his yes and he he listens to merrill's call and so merrill is his narrator um for all all eagles games i know there's a lot of eagles fans like that uh but uh what's so funny what's so funny just imagining merrill's reaction I'm doing back on coast his house.

Okay. So while, while you laugh, I'm going to say nice things about Merrill. And Merrill, uh, who he's, he's been doing this for 40 years. He is, uh, he's the voice of generations of Eagles fans into fatigable in terms of, or like so, so, so he does not miss games. He actually, and Bo did a terrific story a few years ago on the day in the life of Merrill, but he got his job or he became the job when he replaced someone who missed the game. Yeah, missed the game. That person died by suicide.

Okay, I didn't realize that part. I didn't have a cold. Okay. I'm sorry. We've talked about this before. I tried to warn you about this. nonetheless. Well,

Merrill does not want to cede his position. He has said that. He's always at the games. So he shows up every Sunday. And he, or Monday or Thursday or Friday this year, and he broadcasts the games. And he,

I see him at the facility. He's a good man. I had the great fortune of, or the great honor of he wrote the forward of my book. five years ago. And yeah, I have a ton of respect for Merrill. Merrill's the best.

I would say maybe a stretch, but I consider Merrill a friend. I'm very happy for him as well deserved. It was a real pleasure to get to spend that game day with him and watch the orchestration of the ballet of everything going on in the middle of the game as he's calling it and the people handing him the ad reads and in his his interplay with Mike. It's just so fun to watch. As you said, he's been doing this longer than you and I have been alive. So well deserved and congratulations to Merrill. He belongs in the Hall of Fame.

Yes. And he will go in August 3rd in Canton, Ohio. And the night before August 2nd, there will be a dinner in which he's honored as well. But if you watch the ceremony in August 3rd this year, Merrill will be honored there. There you go. Maybe at that dinner, treat themselves to a few ice-cold olypops. Ooh, I didn't know you were going there. Okay. Because Ollipop is the world's first functional soda with a classic soda taste and the benefits of plant-based fiber prebiotics

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Shout out, yeah. Yeah, shout out to Nolan, who does a terrific job as well. And the whole Reese family. I went to high school and college with Ida. Nice. I didn't know that. And Ida's husband, John. I didn't know that.

Yeah, great family, great people. We appreciate Nolan's support on the show. And yeah, always enjoy seeing no one in the press box. How about a little Merrill, Merrill, Merrill, Merle, Merle, instead of the Zach, Zach. I definitely think he's more deserving. He's literally a hall of family, right? Yeah.

So, yeah, I appreciate it, Nolan. And congratulations to you and your family. As I was saying, I was driving down Germantown Avenue, before you interrupted me for the third time in this show in Chessnut Hill on a few days ago. And on the right hand side, I see True Mark Financial Credit Union. And I said to Emily, look, it's True Mark. And I can't tell you how many times over the past few months when I'm driving somewhere in this area. And I say, look, there's True Mark.

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The Pooka-N-A-U-A. What? And CUA. It looks like Nakua. Okay. One day, I'm seriously, I'm going to pull up like the comments that I made that you've screeched the show to a hall way compared to the comments you made. Right?

Like, you're like the director of fun and games right here today. I came here to do a serious show about service. Really? Yes. Yes. Yes. Those tampering judges so serious. We're going to really make sure that those, those get buttoned up.

Well, it is serious. It's not. It's very unsurious. It's serious to those who are being investigated, right? Yeah, there's... We're not talking about jail time here. Yeah, there's a... There's a great scene in the opening of For Love of the Game.

Early in the Flavor of the Game, they're on the plane. Your favorite movie of all time? No, but it's a great baseball movie. You know, Billy Chapel and the Vince Scholley scenes in there. always like, you know, they give me chills sometimes. As Tom Brady's speech did last night, by the way. We can talk about that later on the show. Go ahead.

But, yeah, where they, it was late in the season. The Tigers were out of the pennant race, and they were playing the Yankees. And I think Gus, the catcher, says to Billy Chapel, the pitcher, that it's a, it's a meaningless game. Or maybe it's the other way around. And they say, it's not meaningless to the Red Sox, right? And so, oh, boy, it might seem unseries to, you. you, it's serious to the people who are involved in it. It's serious if you're getting your phone examined, if you're getting your phone calls.

If any time, I mean, I'm like a sixth round pick is what would have happened if they like, okay. You know what a six round pick could be? Number one 99, Tom Brady. That's what a sixth round pick could be. A sixth round pick could be in 20 years, 17 division championships in six Super Bowls. You could have, you be honored on June 12th. Yeah, it would be Brandon Washington.

Have a full stadium there. Did you see Tom Brady's speech? Of course not. About hard work? Of course not. No. I mean, I mean, you're missing out. Give me what I need to know from Tom Brady's speech.

That like embrace what's hard. Like do things that are hard. That it doesn't take special talent to be exceptional in something. It takes being what other people are unwilling to do, being consistent, working hard. Like this is having, you know, those types of attributes. It's the, I found it to be touching the way he emphasized, you know, work ethic and persistence and... Growth hormone mindset. Consistency.

Like, those are, yeah, those are respecting. When Jason Kelsey shares those, I say a similar thing. I mean, those are characteristics that I think are admirable in people. Okay. Did you not think that those things were admirable characteristics until Tom Brady told you so? No, I thought, but I thought the way he framed it was, it was nice. And honest and goodness, you're up there being honored. What you choose your message to be matters.

Like Jason Kelsey in his postgame press conference at the Super Bowl, what did he talk about? He talked about persistence. He talked about the Calvin College quote. That was not unintentional. That was intentional. Tom Brady could have gone in a lot of different directions last night. For him to emphasize, like, he wants people to play football because it's hard. Because when other people are...

Spending time with their families. No, when other people are... When people are sleeping in and eating pancakes and you're going to 6 a.m. workouts, you're choosing to do that. That's hard. When you're tired and beaten and battered, and you have to go. go the next day and play against people who are bigger than you. That's hard. But you do it because that's what it takes. So I respect that. I mean, not just in football in all lines of work,

whether it's podcasting, whether it's being on the janitorial staff, whatever it may be. Like, hard work matters to me. Okay. Yeah. So. I'm not saying hard work shouldn't matter to you. I'm just saying Tom Brady didn't invent hard work. I'm not suggesting he invented hard work, but he highlighted the hard work. That's my point. Oh, okay. So he's like you. I mean, I could be so lucky.

I mean, I think you can do better. Not in all facets, yeah. Not in all facets, but some facets, yeah. Okay. Let's go on. It's an eagle show. Who cares about Tom Brady? You referenced as six-round pick is, is meaningless.

By the way. I don't say it's meaningless. How about that? How about that Jason Kelsey guy? Let's talk about that. He was a sixth-round pick, wasn't he? Yeah, and guess what? If they lost a sixth-round pick,

they would have traded back and got a few more six round picks. Yeah, that's, that's, I disagree with it with. But that was the, this tamper thing was so, so stupid to begin with. Well, I agree with that, but. Okay, all right. We don't need to get hung up here. Yes. All right.

The original concede of the show today, Zach, was to talk about the depth around the roster and just, you know, let's indulge the worst-case scenarios and think about how well-prepared the Eagles are at each, of these positions. Do you want to still do that? Absolutely. Why? Did you want to save it for a different day? I don't know. If you wanted to talk about hard work for another 25 minutes. No, but former eagle Emmanuel Atro said it was the best football speech he had ever heard. Let's talk about the depth chart. I have my notes here.

He did say that. I like the tweet. You can't see actually tweet likes anymore, but I like that tweet. Are you taking advantage of that? that people can't see your likes anymore? No, well, actually, when I was at the Enquirer, I did not know that you could see likes, and I did my daily newsletter, and I would solicit mailback questions every day. And by being my love of mailbag,

well, my love of mailbag states back to Bill Simmons, but that's my appreciation of mailbacks came from that. And so all my like tweets for like three years were just mailbag things. Okay. But yes. Someone made you aware of that? Yeah, someone made me aware of that, yeah.

I don't know why someone was looking at my likes, but... I'd just see if you were liking anything untoward. I don't understand people who do that either. Why, that can be interesting journalism. No, I don't understand people who like things that are untoward on air. Yeah, that's what I don't understand. I show some discretion, right? Well, yeah.

Yes. But it could also be, like, you know, who they follow and stuff like that. There's good journalism done that way. You know what happens to me sometimes. The accidental, not like that's a don't follow. Like because you scroll through. And as I scroll through, I guess where I'm scrolling on my phone is where the follow button might be. And so, yeah, there are times when I accidentally follow somebody.

And then it's made aware of me. You know, follow them or what? Yeah, I actually do. Yeah, I should follow there. Yeah. All right. Quarterback, let's say Jillen Hertz goes down. How you feel about on a scale of one to five?

Yeah. Let's say, you know, Marcus Marriota to Nick Foles. How do you feel about the Kenny Pickett situation? Marks, there is one there? I mean, the Eagles have done a good job at backup quarterback. Who's the bad backup quarterback that they've had? Mike McMahon. Okay, that's pretty far back.

But yeah. Some people write books about the 25-year period period. That's fine. Let's go McMahon to Falls. Yeah. I'll go three and a half. for picket. I think that's, yeah.

I mean, I think Pickett should be like a four. Yes. Yeah, well, I have him as a four here. But you wanted to downgrade him? Slightly.

Well, because it foals is a five. Yeah. I mean, I'm not ready to put, yeah, I mean, Foles,

even before the Super Bowl MVP, was a pro bowl quarterback. He had 27 touchdowns, two interceptions. He started in multiple places. So, Kenny Pickett has been a starter for,

like a season and a half, not even that, like a season, half a season, half a season, basically. So he's a former first-round pick. He has, he has talent. He's probably one of the better backup quarterbacks you'll have, but he doesn't have the experience of someone who's probably like in the four to five range for me. That's why I'm making it three and a half, although I did write four here. Yeah, I mean, I think if this is a, if this is past fail with Kenny Pickett and Tanner McKee, the Eagles have done a good job preparing for bad scenarios. if Jalen Hurts goes down for a while. I think Kenny Pickett, I had not been like as enamored of him,

as some people seem to have been over the course of the practices we saw this spring. I didn't think he was particularly impressive, but I didn't think he was bad. And I think he has enough experience to be trusted if he has to play a few games. Yeah, I agree with that. I did want to ask you, this is relevant. Like, I'm not saying everyone talks about this, but I've had two people who have asking me about the gloves that he wears.

as if like because I guess if visually it looks odd does it bother you that he wears gloves to play quarterback it doesn't really bother me but you can also barely see him because his hands are so tiny again that's all relative right all that matters is how well you throw the ball and I think the ball's throwing well from him the gloves don't don't bother me too much okay okay

all right running back you got sequin at the top after that I think I feel like you know it's a little bit underwhelming here you got Kenny Gainwell still around your boy will shipley. Obviously the great Lou Nichols and Tyrion Davis Price. Mm-hmm.

How do you feel about that group? And Kendall Milton. Kendall Milton actually had a couple pops in the spring. Good to receive right out of the backfield. Yeah, I have a piece on a H.L.W. Now, it's the first of a three-part series on 30 thoughts from the spring. This is parts one to 10.

Then it'll be 11 to 20 next week. Okay. And then 21 to 30. This is the 10, 10, 10 we talked about. 10, 10, 10. Exactly. And I figured instead of doing it all over one week, I'm spreading it out. Yeah, give that slow drip. Yes, exactly. But I have a note in there about, like, you can't evaluate how these running backs are running. But one thing that has jumped out to me in the naked eye is they are bigger than they've been in the past few years. Like, obviously, Sequant's bigger than Swift. But even when you look at the down the depth chart guys, Davis Price, Nichols, Milton, those are bigger backs. Will Shipley's bigger than Boston Scott, of course. Even Kenny Gainwell looked physically stronger to me than he's been in the past.

Interesting. So I wonder if that's like a preference with the Eagles to have more bigger backs. I thought it was interesting when James Palmer said yesterday, the Saquan decision was kind of motivated by what Kellan Moore looks for in the offense. Yeah, that was interesting. And James is plugged in. So, yeah, yeah, that was interesting insight. Yeah, I've been overwhelmed by Gainwell overall during the past.

Well, I shouldn't say overwhelmed, underwhelmed. Welmed. Well, yeah. Yeah, properly welled. I'm not overwhelmed by him. I think that he's been fine. I don't think he's kind of taken that next step. Now, he did have a good postseason in 2022, and he kind of took the job over from Miles Sanders.

But the last year, he really didn't push anything further. He hasn't had the big play juice, certainly. and then he hasn't really had much in the passing game, but that could be a function of jail in as well. So I look at it that I think Shipley's going to push for this number two job. I've been on record saying I like Shipley a lot coming out of Clemson, but I had this as a three. Certainly it's not like to Marco Ryan Matthews.

It's not like, you know, LaShaul McCoy, Bryce Brown for, you know, Bryce Brown was coming up. off of productive rookie season in 2013. He comes back. And so, yeah, I think there's more that there's more to be determined with these running backs. I think they're probably fine because it's running back. Yeah. And, you know, if Jaylen Hertz is still willing to run the ball, then, you know, this job is a little bit easier than it is in other places.

They don't have like a, you know, a big back per se, unless Tyrion Davis price takes on that mantle. So if Sequin were to go down, they've got options in the. passing game but you're not going to love handing the ball to gain whether will shippley 20 times right but that's probably for the best in the long run so i think they have like from a roster building standpoint done a don't done a totally fine job here but i like the group itself is is just okay i would give it like a two and a half i guess yeah and shippley being a fourth round pick there should be an expectation that that he becomes like a fourth round running back you have expectations that guy's part of your rotation yeah fair enough all right the big one that we've spent a lot of

time talking about obviously is wide receiver and you've obviously got a j brown and devonte smith on the outside for now let's let's call it paris campbell as the third guy which means the group behind them is johnny wilson anaya smith britain covey maybe you like joseph and gada maybe you like john ross there are some other guys uh fighting for roster spots but that's the that's the main group there and i think it's fair to say you know listen every team in the league you're looking at their wide receivers yeah four through seven you're going to be underwhelmed but I think this is this is a trouble spot for the Eagles. I agree with you there.

They are, I have twos across the board here and you can even say ones, right? They haven't done much to develop depth receivers over the past few years. They spent significant draft inventory to get Devante and AJ, but they haven't spent middle round picks the past few years. They haven't really had, I guess, I guess, Britain Coving. He's been an undrafted guy who's been on the roster in the past two years. But wide receiver depth is something we identified from the jump

as something there that they need to fortify here. Between Johnny Rosson and I, between Johnny Wilson and I Smith, I like Johnny Wilson more. Me too, right now. Spring. But if AJ went down, if Devante went down, I would be worried at wide receiver.

Sure. I agree. And the Eagles would probably say, like, of course. and every other team in the league would be worried if one of their best players went down too. But this is a place where, you know, it's not a surprise to them that they are a little bit light here. We've been talking about it all offseason.

They have made decisions to address other positions at the expense of this. We will see how it plays out. I've one quick while, I've one quick wide receiver question for you that I, as I was researching for today's thoughts piece that I put out there. So I had mentioned that

AJ Brown jumped out to me how much he was used as a shorter and intermediate wide receiver during camp wasn't really used downfield was a high volume type in the past two years his A dot his average depth of target was 11.7 yards and 12.1 yards the year before

when I looked at those Dallas offenses with Kellan Moore CD Lam's A dot was 10.3 yards and 10.1 yards respectively in 2021 and in 2022. So less than what AJ has been here. A little bit less, yeah. Yeah.

But then what I found especially interesting was Amari Cooper when he was in Dallas with Kellan Moore was 8.8 yards and 11 yards, okay, in terms of ADD. But then when he went to Cleveland, he went up to 12.1 yards and 14.3 yards. So I wonder if Kellan Moore's offense is more focused on the short and intermediate game than some other offenses are. Don't you think that would be a bad fit with Jalen Hertz? Yes. I mean, I think what Jalen does well is throw a good deep ball.

And that's where it goes down to you need to build an offense that accentuates your quarterback. And I mean, Kellyn Moore's a talented offensive mind. We'll see how he does there. But I made a line on a show earlier this this week that this offense needs to be about accentuating Kellynne Hurts, not accentual. and killing more. And so you need to fit it for your personnel.

Well said. How about tight end, Zach? Dallas Goddard at the top. And then you've got C.J. Usama fighting it out with Grand Cocatera and the likes of Albert Okuwebunam, E.J. Jenkins. Yeah. People of that ill. Yeah, I'm probably going two and a half here. I mean, CJ Uzama based on a past production might be a three, but he's coming off an injury.

Really didn't see much from him in the spring, still coming off the injury. Calcutera is someone who, uh... Wide Receiver 3. Yes, you're gonna guessed up, but... And he's entering year 3 here. But, no, I don't feel as strong at the depth of that this position, as I felt when you had, you know, Goddard behind Ertz, or you had Ertz behind Selk, right? This is, this is a different situation.

Yeah, I like Grand Calcutera, but he hasn't done anything in the league. Yeah. Yeah. You know, he had five catches and a rookie and four catches last year in 15 games, right? Exactly. I think he's a player to watch and is kind of like, let's hope and cross our fingers. But yeah, from a, are the Eagles good here? It's probably more likely that Uzama is the guy who would have to step in if he can stay healthy.

Well said. Okay. Offensive line. And, you know, we talk about this a lot. The Eagles talk about this a lot. that their bad years in the past have been when they have suffered significant injuries along the offensive line. You know, we could go a full second team here, but the truth is that like, you know,

Mackay Beckton is probably backing up at least two spots, maybe four spots as the primary guy. Matt Hennessy is probably the backup center and maybe the backup interior guard or guard on either side. I guess that we'll see how that plays out with Bexton. Fred Johnson, they sign. to an extension last year because they feel good about him. He's in the mix as well on the outside. And then you know, you've got the rookies in Trevor Kagan and Dylan McMahon.

A couple other futures guys who they signed. Darren Kinnard was spending time as the second team left guard in the spring. They've got some interesting bodies, but it feels, well, actually, I think it's actually in pretty good shape because before the draft, you know, they had lost up Petta. They had lost Driscoll. We didn't know how they were going to go about. backfilling that stuff.

In adding the two guys that they did on day three and then signing Beckton and with Hennessy, I think they have, unlike wide receiver, backfilled this well enough to feel okay. Exactly. I think you framed it well because I have a four for Hennessy and Bechton and you could even argue five, right, based on what your scale would be for a quality backup.

Both of them have been starters in the league. There's draft pedigree. Oh, a lot of Antivitai. Yes. whereas I have Johnson, Keegan, and Tooth as two twos and ones. And you could probably put McMahon in there as well at like a two or a one. So when you and I were texting about this last night, because I thought this was a fun exercise, I said on the offensive line, are we considering Hennessy and Bechtin,

like Hennessy on the interior Bechton as the tackles, or are we doing it like for each particular spot? So if you're just saying you need seven and you need one primary backup, you know, one primary swing, and one primary swing interior guy, then you feel good about it. But obviously, if they have a season like 2012 or 2020, when you're down to your ninth and 10th starter, they're not as well positioned for that. I don't know who is, though.

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And the questions about the defense are more about how good are the guys at the top of the depth chart? Because at edge rusher, for instance, you know, I think we don't expect Bryce off to be as good as Hassan Redick was the last two years. you know he should be good but not quite that good Josh sweat is probably a little bit on the downturn from what we saw from him two years ago you've got you know Brandon Graham is toward the end of his career now Nolan Smith should be on the on the outcome

what what do you like you know Josh sweatshade is not necessary here the guy's 27 years old downturn outside you like the zero sacks over the last second half of the season that he had you concentrate over the last portion of the season. You thought the trend line was good there?

I think for a year and a half, the team was basically begging other teams to trade for him? I thought for a year and a half, he was a productive pass rush. I thought for a year and a half, he was a productive pass rusher. And I think if I have to bet on, on characteristics, I'll bet on 6.5, 260 pounds,

has natural talent that Lane Johnson and Chris Long have told me stand out at edge rusher. So I'm taking there. on when he was an ascending player you believe he's still an ascending player I think he's an interspriing player yes okay yeah who had a bad he would have a bad eight-week stretch you think that he would have willingly taken a pay cut and not sought out the open market if he thought that he was not a declining player I think he knows the way the last eight games went and I think he's trying to

he wants to create a situation where he can go into free agency next year after big season and get a payday okay Anyway, even with JLX Hunt there, and even some of the down roster guys, like Julian O'Quara, I think we would expect that the top of the depth chart on the outside will not be as good, but they've got capable bodies

that they can throw at people. You're absolutely right. And I think they are a little bit injury fortified. And I think the way you framed it about the top heavy offense versus the depth on defense was brilliant, because I did not think about it that way. and then I look at my spreadsheet here

and I have a bunch of ones and twos on offense, but then, and for the audience, we're doing ones your most concerned, five, you know, you're set there for the depth. And I have a number of five, I have five fives here for how I feel about the depth at, on, on defense. Like both edge spots,

I feel good that if, if, if sweat went down, if Huff goes down, Brandon Graham and Nolan Smith, That's quality depth right there, right? At corner. Right. Just jump to corner.

Exactly. Because that there is no place that they are deeper than corner. Exactly. So whether it's Rogers or Ringo or Mitchell, whoever gets that job, the gene in the slot, if Maddox gets the job and perhaps the gene's the starter, but then you have Maddox as your top backup. You have players at multiple spots here who, again,

I might be overreacting to the spring, but I feel like the depth. is better there. I mean, last year, we talked about Zach McPherson as, like, their top backup in the slide. And we talked about Josh Job as their top backup on the outside.

They are in a much different spot this year. Right. Case in point, Josh Job is still here. Yes. And is, like, seventh on the depth chart. Now, he may make the team because he's such a good special teams player, but it's not because of what he brings at that position.

Let's just jump over to safety then because that's another place where, I think once Sidney Brown is, Healthy. They're in pretty good shape here, especially if James Bradbury is playing safety and is on the team. I don't anticipate that being the case. You don't think that. The James Palmer nugget from yesterday has not moved you that much. It has not. But as we've said about James Bradbury, like there's no financial benefit for them to move on from him. They're paying, they guaranteed his salary no matter what. So unless the team trades for him, the Eagles are paying him X no matter what this year.

So you can pay him X not to be on the team or it can pay him X to be on the team. Sometimes there's... Can you pay him in X? What does that mean? As opposed to giving him money, you give him X. Oh, no. No, you have to pay him money. But sometimes we and the media fans pay too much attention to the cap pit and not like the cash allocation.

Like the cap pit, the Eagles already accounted for it. But you can cut a guy and then you don't, you absorb the cash. Pat Pitt, but you don't have to pay him. But the Eagles are paying Brad Barry no matter what. So the only reason to move on is if that roster spot is more valuable to use. So maybe the roster spot is. Maybe they say Bradbury is a good guy to have in the locker room. Let's keep him around.

And I think Avante Maddox being able to play safety changes the depth discussion here too. I think this is one, another one where like, are the safety is good enough? We'll find out. But I think they've got a few options if guys go down. Agreed. And I would throw the gene in this. there as well. Potentially, which we have not seen yet. The place where they are probably the least deep, the shallowest, if you will, is defensive tackle. You've got your top three in Milton Williams,

Jordan Davis, and Jalen Carter. But after that, I like Morrow Ojamot. I think he's a player to believe in. He's a bo guy. He might be the camp crush this year. I don't think so. Too main he was core four last year. Oh, okay. You moved on. Yeah. You can't dance with the girl you took last year, right you got to find a new thing. Well, I did do that with Reed Blanketschips. That's true. Okay. Yeah.

You don't ask the same girl the prom two years in a row. You try to. Again, I did do that last year. Yeah. With Reed Blankenship. But you're not going to do with Morrow. I just think he's too popular now. Oh, okay.

Yeah. Everybody's so popular. Everyone's so popular. Everywhere I go, people are saying, what do you think of Morrow Ojimo this year? You, Mr. Ben Van Zuma and palpable buzz. Was it your friend who brought that up? I think it was Jeffrey. Yeah.

No, Jeffrey, Jeffrey wouldn't be bringing that up. So you've got Morrow Ojimo, Marlon Tui Poloto, Gabe Hall, who we have talked about. Oh, yes. As the undrafted player from Baylor, PJ Mustafa, as the backup nose tackle potentially. I still think this is a spot where if we're doing a show on July, like, 15th. And we do show five days a week every day, so there will be a show. And you, and you, like, pop into the studio bouncing around the walls, because we've actually got some Eagles news

and you're thrilled that it's not going to be just a made-up show. It's going to be because they've signed a defensive tackle. Are you back for the July 15th show? I think so, yes. Okay, so that's an exciting show because Bo and I reunite to start the summer or to start the camp season.

So it's a week before. There might be... When are you taking time? Wait, real quick, there might be a big article that's dropping on all PHLY at 5 a.m. on July 15th. I'm just telling you that right now. There's a piece that's coming out on July 5 a.m. on July 15th.

Mark your calendars. Make sure you're a diehard. You are going to read that and you're going to have insight on one of the most important people in the organization going into this season. Okay. Yeah.

Thanks for selling that. I don't even know what you're talking about. You know what I'm talking about. There might be an extensive interview that was done. that can be released or that the story is going to come out in July 15th, the drum up interest for training camp. Wow, what a sell, Bo. This is this year.

We really appreciate that. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. Yeah, I think defensive tackle, they're pretty shallow. Man, this is this one. This is why you develop thick skin on this show, right? You get excited about a story and you're, I haven't written it, you're already poo-pooing it.

I mean, get insight. You get the, we're not allowed to talk about it. Get to find out who makes, but what makes somebody tick. I'm not telling you what it is. I'm just saying,

yeah. All right. All right. Thanks for selling that, both, but please be a diehard so you can read this. Yeah, absolutely. Yes.

Okay. I think this is also tied in with the conversation we've had about how many snaps these guys are going to play. And part of the risk of if you're turning the knob up on snaps for Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter,

not only do you risk them being less effective, but you risk them getting injured. And so they need to be a little bit deeper here. I think this is a spot where, again, I think that they might add somebody. Agreed. I think they need to for sure. Yeah.

How about linebacker? How do you feel about linebacker? Yeah. So I feel good about the guy who loses between Bonn and Dean, right? Because I think if you're looking at two linebackers, I think they're... By the way, Bonn also a part of the depth on the edge rush. You're right. Yeah, you're right.

Now, I don't know if I should feel good yet about Zach Bonn in the middle. Like, he did not play it extent. He was more of a special team's guy with the Saints. Nicopa Dean, for that matter, hasn't done as much with the Eagles. But I think you have two NFL players there as the backup. The other backup would be Jeremiah Trotter Jr. and Orrin Berks. And Orrin Berks.

Yeah, who, look, Warren Brooks played in the Super Bowl. So, yeah. So I think they have playable depth. Yeah, I actually think this is like the perfect example of, is the top good enough? Maybe not. But I think they've got enough,

they've got enough bodies and probably more bodies than they had entering last year. Exactly. That they can throw out there. Yeah. Okay. So what did you learn today? What did I learn? Yeah.

I thought I had a very professional show today. I kept going. through despite three interruptions in my reads. No, I, what I learned about the depth exercise, because this was important. And I thought when you texted me last night, I, I liked it. I think I, we saw the spots where they can't withstand injury. We saw the spots where they can withstand injury. I think that they can deal with injuries in the back seven of the defense.

Even let's say, let's say that you can't say the back nine of the defense, but I know what you mean though. Yeah. Yeah. But defensive line, wide receiver in particular, they can't deal with injuries. They can't deal with more than two injuries on the offensive line, which you might say. I think they're okay on the offensive line. I mean, they're not going to be great.

I think they've got enough. In Stout, you trust, right? Oh, and we should mention Sharping. We didn't mention him. Sharping, who they signed last week. So we didn't get extensive looks at him. But former second round pick who's played in the league at the age profile where he's not like over the hill yet. So we'll we'll see there.

But no, I think where you say if Howie called me on July 15th and said, I wanted to go, July 14th and said, Zach, hold on, I'm finishing this article. No, the article being in by then. Okay. But if Howie's like, Zach, you have a big show tomorrow, you and Bo, Bo's back. He had this great vacation. You're excited. You've gotten, you have this countdown on your on in your mind of like the shows until

training camp you're finally the lights at the end of the tunnel training camp's coming I want to give you a juicy signing I want to give you a juicy signing what signing would be juicy and I would say well howie if you look at your depth chart wide receiver and defensive line are two spots where you

need to upgrade your depth and so it would be a wide receiver defensive line and who would you recommend I think there's more options on defensive line than wide receiver I mentioned moye the other day on at defensive line

wide receiver I had that article you can read that on all PHLY when Devante Parker retired I know Michael Thomas is hanging out there so if you think Michael Thomas has any juice left

Michael Thomas would be an interesting one Callais Campbell somebody mentioned our old friend Hassan Ridgeway Lawrence Guy Lynn Vaugh and Joseph still around hasn't retired Al Woods.

Yeah, slim pickings, obviously. Now, if you recall last year, we talked about linebackers in this regard, and I think it was August 3rd. The Eagles, it was a Sunday. They had an open practice, and that day they had Zach Huntingham and Miles Jack. Your boy. Miles? Yeah. I do like Miles Jack.

I have a situation from last night I'd like to ask you about. Let's hear. Have you ever sent food back at a restaurant? Never. I'm always afraid what they would do to it. Oh, interesting. Yeah. What was the movie Road Trip?

Yeah. That's right. Scared me for life. I forgot about that. Emily will sometimes want to send something like, Emily, I will eat that. Don't sit in that back. That's funny. We had a lovely dinner, a little birthday dinner last night.

But we had, it was like an Italian place. We had a little pasta course, and then there was a second course. and it had taken a little bit of time in between the two courses. Totally fine. We're in no rush, you know, having our wine. You know, the weight person comes over and apologizes for the weight says the food will be right out. No big deal. And out comes the duck and then another pasta, which is what we ordered.

It's all good. And I can tell when I'm looking at this duck when he puts it down. This duck is way over. Overcooked? Yeah. And like, good for you. I wouldn't be able to know it. More more known, like temperature wise than any other protein I feel.

Like duck has to be medium rare. Okay. I'm not a duck on a store. And it's this thing is gray. Okay. And I take a bite and it's lukewarm. It's clearly been sitting there. And like clearly what happened is they hadn't, they had forgotten about the second dish.

So they let the duck sit there. Ah, okay. It's getting over. It's not hot. The other one is, the other one is, good. It's a birthday dinner.

It's a big deal. But I'm not, I'm not going to say anything. I'm too, like, I don't want to make them feel bad. Uh, I don't want to get anybody in trouble.

But like, oh, that was, and I would like, you know, and then they ended up, they ended up giving us a little, little,

a little lemoncello at the end on the house because of the weight. But, I mean, you didn't even mention the duck. Didn't mention the duck. But we, I mean, we didn't finish it.

Um, did they say, is they, what, no, if they had said, is everything okay? you know it was a little over it was like and it's it was a shame because it was like it was a

nice piece of dug they had done the skin very well you could tell it was done well at one point but yeah just it was just chalky it's not good sorry to hear that but we debated and i was like i can't we neither of us would never send anything back okay yeah we agreed have you have you have you ever done it i've never sent anything back because of the inconvenience because they're worried what's coming back because i want to make them feel bad okay yeah it's not i'm not i'm not not worried about going to spit on my food okay yeah I mean I'm that's that's that's that's that's that's my worry Andrew's not in his head right now yeah I mean you see that scene in in in road trip you it doesn't get out of your mind yes I mean I've seen the

scene it's gotten out of my mind it's not of my mind I've worked in a restaurant I'm not I don't see people spitting in food all the time yeah they get more than spit yeah um I had a situation last night I thought okay If we're doing this. Okay. So it was my son's birthday party. It was a fun time. Oh, yeah.

How to come? There's like 24 boys who are playing sports. It's like such as like one of these these warehouses that's a field and, you know, and they're playing football and soccer and baseball. And, you know, we split them up in half and I took half the kids. And I did like a kicking competition, like a kickball competition, you know. Like, so. Kick at the farthest?

Yes. Okay. Okay. And so the barometer I was using or the metric I was using was where the ball would hit the ground. All right. And then what I did is you kick it. They got in a line. So there's like 12 kids in the line and you kick it.

And then I show you where it is and the kid stands there, right? I thought it would be a fun, a fun competition. It's a way like no one's going to strike out and kick ball competition. And so think about like a batting cage. That's like the height of this. All right. And so there was a kid who he kicks it. and it hits the top.

And I, so I mark where hits the top. And he was like, he was like, that one was going all over there. And I was like, no, this is what I said. If you, if you, that's crazy. If you play baseball on a dome and you hit the roof, it's not a home run.

It's a ground rule double. Like, this is, this is where it is. You have to factor this in. You have to factor this in. Are you kidding me? The fact of this into the calculation, right? Yeah. I mean, I can't tell you where it's going to land.

I don't know the launch angle in kickball. So this is all part of the calculation, okay? And so the kid was fired up at me. I think he's fairly so. He's getting a little emotional. So wait, so what am I supposed to do? Let him kick again. Yeah, let him kick again.

I did let him kick again. I did let him kick again. Yeah, but I have 12 kids here. I'm not like everyone wants to do over if they don't kick the far. they hit a ground ball they want to do over it's like like where do you know so this is it's a kid's a seven-year-old birthday party i told them it's where it hits the ground but it didn't hit the ground it hit the top and then it goes down so that's where it hit the ground okay like let's let's be you know uh i always like if if you play if if you play baseball this is so good if you play if you play

baseball in fenway you deal with the park conditions you know if you play baseball against roman catholic are You know the Roman Catholic field in Roxborough where it's like the straight line fence, right? Those are the conditions you're you're playing with. You play to your ballpark. The kid's seven years old. Okay. Yeah. So, but I'm not going to say you want, he wanted to win.

Well, obviously you don't give him the win. You say kick again. Yeah, I did let him kick again. And did he win? He wanted credit for where it was going to launch. Well, obviously not. So I'm not going to give that. Yeah, I did let him kick again.

Did he win? No. Okay. Yeah. But he was blaming me for him for not giving him the distance on that. Um, this is good stuff. This is way better than my duck problem. So, yeah, so, uh, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so,

you guys yelled at each other for, I didn't yell at each other for, we didn't yell at each other, but I'm not like, like, like, you, you got to deal with, I don't know, this is, this is, you get ejected from your own son's birthday party, like, I was, look, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm trying, and what I'm trying to do is, is, is, is, is, is like, this is, you, you deal with the rules of engagement, right? we all so um yeah i i didn't think it was that ass trying to teach life lessons to the kid who's not your kid well there's life lessons everywhere so yeah including tom brady speech he said what you do you put him off to the side and said watch this and gave him the brady speech no i said i said you can kick again and he can and he kicked him but but but they were arguing that this is this was

going to go where this was this was going to go obviously not give you where you think it's going to launch like course that's like if you're doing a home run derby and you hit a foul ball, but the foul ball goes 400 yards, it's not a home run. So fired up about his argument with a seven-year-old. It's not a home run. I had a special announcement about the book. Should we save that for tomorrow at this point? Yeah, good tease.

Yeah, good tease. I'll do a special one tomorrow and then I'll tweet it out. Okay. Well, that'll do it for this episode of the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast. Stay tuned for tomorrow. We're doing Tick-Zack-Boe? Tick-Zack-Boe, yeah. Tick-ZEach-Boe and a big announcement about Zach's

book. I'm looking forward to that. That one, here's the thing. I didn't sell the story that's coming out on the 15th. The announcement for tomorrow, awesome. Very cool and worth being excited about. Thank you. Come in for that tomorrow. We will be back at noon.

Can I give a quick tease for tomorrow's Tick Zach Bow? Sure. You're going to get some Boe Caitlin Clark take. Oh, just what everybody needs. My opinion about Caitlin Clark. Because no one out there has an opinion on Eitland Clark, right?

So yeah. So yeah. Where to really hook them in? All right. That'll do it for this episode of the P.H.O.E.E.O.E.G.S. podcast, thanks to everybody for listening. Thank you to Andrew for making it all happen behind the scenes. Back tomorrow, noon for all of us here at P.H.O.

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