PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | Philadelphia Eagles extend Jordan Mailata while possibility of first-round OT remains

Episode Date: April 5, 2024

Landon Dickerson and Jordan Mailata do everything together, including sign extensions, it turns out. The Eagles reworked Mailata’s contract Thursday to make sure their biggest player-development success story stays in Philadelphia for the foreseeable future. What does that mean for the future of the O-line, both in the short and long term? Zach Berman and Bo Wulf discuss Mailata’s extension and welcome back NFL Network’s Brian Baldinger, who touches on the line, the Eagles’ interesting offseason moves in free agency and some other options for the Eagles at No. 22. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

This podcast for Wolf, Zach Berman on a Friday at High 2. Zach, how you doing? Doing great, excited for the show. Good to see you. Good to see you. Good to see everyone in the studio. A little earthquake day. How to go for you?

Earthquake day, huh? Well, I'm here, right? I mean, how many days do you get an earthquake? You don't think that you object to this being earthquake day? You think this is Milita Day instead? Yeah, in my world, yes. It's all about your world. Your world's so myopic.

Okay, I'm going to ignore that. Do you like my, do you like the apocalyptic Zach Berman tweets? I can wear it, that's fine. Why? There's nothing to wear. It's just a, you're a fan of comedy, I thought. Yeah, that everything is Eagles related. Yeah, some are clever.

Shout out to Scott O, a friend of mine for joining in there. Yeah, so the earthquake, I was doing my defensive depth chart today. and started the shake and I thought something was going on with my air conditioning system at home. I had the same thought I was also working in the basement and I thought the HVAC was about to explode

or something like that. And then I realized, oh, this is an earthquake. I mean, I say this. So a matter of fact. Well, I say this honestly. You know, I do this mistake sometimes where I start saying something on the show and I'm like, I probably wish I didn't start saying it.

But you got to finish. I got to finish. I always said, if I could be in any natural disaster type thing and in short being safe, I would want an earthquake. Like, I feel like it'd be, you know, be like fun almost. You've always said this? Yeah, I've had this conversation.

Like, if you could, you know, when you go to like an amusement park, if you can be in any type of, like, if you can be in a ride that you're in short safety and it's a natural, it's mimics of. making a natural disaster or simulating a natural disaster, which one would it be? And like hurricanes, no tornadoes. I mean, earthquakes, I thought, you know, it's concentrated, you're shaking as long as you know it can be safe. So, but in any event. Julia is cackling. Yeah. I shouldn't have said that.

I came here prepared to talk about Joe Violetta. Josh, meet your brand new baby brother. This is Zach. This is Zach Berman. If only I could. be in one natural disaster. It would be an earthquake. You've always, you've always said it. Yeah, okay. I see what you did that. So I was just driving down 95. Were you not here for the one in 2011? I was in, I was actually covering the opening of MetLife Stadium press conference.

Yeah. One of the great days in our nation's history. I was, I was the Star Ledger covering the Giants at the time and I was at MetLife Stadium and they had a thing about the technology in the stadium and I was covering that. Did you feel it there? I actually don't recall it being like, I mean, I guess that MetLife Stadium was so well, like, that must be it. Yeah, the classiness. Yeah.

Earthquake cannot break class, but not class. Yeah. So do you recall that earthquake from? I do. It actually echoed. You know, Anthony Gargana was, was. on the air when it happened today. I was on the air back in 2011. I think I've told the story before on Philadelphia Eagles.com. We was hosting our live Eagles show when all of a sudden the

studio started shaken. You could see me shaken on screen and they had been doing construction, I think, in the floor above. And I thought that there was a construction thing, which then flashed me back to when I was a senior in high school. I was sitting in class and they were doing construction outside the window and there was a rumbling that had started. And then all of a sudden, the glass exploded into the classroom and hit me right here. Oh, geez. Yeah, it was a little bit traumatic.

And so... That does sound traumatic. I thought maybe that was happening, but I've ever the professional closed the show, said, okay, well, we'll see you tomorrow, I hope. And that was the end of that. But tonight, yeah, today, today, you know,

Anthony got to be the one on screen. Yeah, I've seen the clip. Handled it well. Julia was abandoned by everybody else on the room. They all ran out. Yeah, I just envisioned. it being like George Costanza in that episode with the fire when he's pushing

everyone away running down? Yes, that's actually what the teacher in that class did actually. He was the first one out of the room. Shout out to the principal Dr. Wyman, who, you know, made sure that if anyone was going to get out of that room alive, it was going to be him. Leaders eat last. Come on. You don't like that. I don't like that either. Yeah. Yeah. I was wearing a Melvin Mora

Orioles Shurzy at the time. Got blood all over it. And so in order to make up for me almost losing an eye, the school got me a new Melvin Moore jersey. Do you still have it? No. Well, I probably do actually somewhere. Okay.

I feel like today the earthquake, do you ever get the sensation that you want to be able to text your son? Like your six-year-old son who doesn't, like I want to know if he felt the earthquake. I can't wait to go home and find out. I can't wait to go home and find out. I do wish I can go back six minutes right now and not have shared that earthquake anecdote.

Why, that's not an embarrassing anecdote. It's probably not something I would have said. Why, it's not like deeply personal. It's not like you're revealing like a kink. A kink. Yeah, so I don't know. I've seen I have no interest in hurricanes or. I mean, actually, I actually feel like if you were, if you could promise

safety for everyone involved like a tornado would be kind of interesting I can see that but the earthquake is concentrated it's like it's it's you know it's like doing the Tower of Terror right you know it's over quickly yeah I like the Terror Terror yeah so

yeah you feel connected to the natural coil that we all share I suppose so I suppose so and you were mocking my joke that that's Jordan Milada jumping up and down I wasn't mocking it celebrating his uh yeah I was trying to show a little personality.

You know, I don't want to be a bore on the show. Well, that was Twitter, not... Yeah, I don't want to be a bore on social media, so I'm trying to exhibit a little personality. Thank you. That's not poking fun. I was trying to take the ball and run with it.

Take the ball and run with it. Okay. Yeah. But... You don't like Brian Brayman the Blood Lord? You know, they were coming in as I was driving, and I didn't want to look at my phone. Shout out the shield for that.

Okay. All right. So the reason we have a show at 2 o'clock today is because you spent the last couple hours waiting and then eventually talking to Jordan Milata, who after the show yesterday was signed to an extension with the Eagles. Give us the details. Give us the lowdown. Yeah. So Jordan Milata, who, you know, we mentioned on a show earlier this week that he could be a potential extension candidate. Yeah, you called that.

But, you know, this is a little soon. He had two years left on his deal. Jordan look at you and say, hey, by the way, I was listening to the show earlier this week, and you had a good idea, so I had my age to reach out. No, Jordan was on his honeymoon in Italy when he got the text that Eagles were interested in doing him. It's like, okay. Yeah. He was enjoying Italy. He was there for two and a half weeks.

He was actually, he was at the dinner table with his wife. They were doing a delayed honeymoon because the honeymoon, they got married last year, you know, during the summer. and football season was around the corner so they wanted to go on like an extended honeymoon so they were in Italy for their honeymoon and I just I the incredible restraint that I am showing and not connecting when you said

they were on their honeymoon and the Eagles called about wanting to do it and for me to not connect the dots of doing it in the honeymoon I thought was really professional of me I can always count on you in sophomore humor it's not professional when you bring it up like this right You know, it's...

Well, I was smiling. Yeah. So, yeah, so he was actually out... No, he actually went all the way to say that he was in Italy and not just Europe. He said Italy, yes. Interesting, okay. But actually, Lyndon Dickerson already mentioned that he was in Italy. So the cat was out of the bag.

Yes. But he said he got the text about Sequin Barclay at dinner, and he swore because he was so excited. He said, how does how he do it? He's going to work on his swearing. Yeah, he said he swore an Italian, but his mom won't believe him when he says that. But anyways, the deal is worth 66, it's a three-year extension. So adds three years onto the deal that he has now. So explain how that works, because his deal was signed through the 2025 season.

Yes. So now, so three years are added to the deal that he has now. The new money is worth $66 million with $48 million guaranteed. The signing bonus is $22 or thereabouts. He gets the signing bonus right away, right? And then we'll see kind of how this is structured. but basically this is money added on to the two years on his deal. So we kind of present it as, or I shouldn't say we, it's presented in the media as like a three-year, $66 million deal, $22 million per year, which puts him in the top five among offensive tackles.

But from the Eagles bookkeeping, they look at it like almost like a five-year deal, right? It's added on to the two years that he has. So you kind of spread that over the five years that he has. But I also imagine that, you know, years four and five are easy to get out of. Sure. Yeah, I'm curious to see. The timing, I mean, this benefits the Eagles, frankly, more than my lot, I think. Now, I would never see.

It's not like a crazy, I mean, 22 a year for a top five tackle. It's not something that's going to last very long. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. And I have thoughts up on all p.gly.com. Like, you know, you look at, at Sewell is up in Detroit, or he has a 50, your option, but he's eligible for a new deal. Tristan Worf's is eligible for a new deal in Tampa Pay, you know, for Sean Slater soon, right? There's some good tackles that are going to be resetting this market, if you will. So, yeah, so it behooves the Eagles to act quickly.

Very good comment from Khalif in the chat. But go ahead. What was the comment? Well, it's a whole thing. Do I want to read it? Please. Yes. Want to be interactive? Well, no. I think you need to continue because he's, okay. He's taking and running with the doing it on the honeymoon. Ah, okay, gotcha. All right. So, yeah, so basically it behooves the Eagles to try to get this done now. And for Jordan, he said, I asked him about the timing.

He said it was something they came to him with. They met in the middle. He let his agent handle it. Now, it's hard to turn down that amount of money, right? This is his third contract now, second contract extension. And as I wrote, like, don't put a pass. my lot of to sign a fourth contract with the Eagles, right? Because he's still in that age range where you would think that he has a fourth deal in him. But for the Eagles, this locks up,

they're starting left tackle, and it locks up, they're starting left side. Like him and Landon Dickerson are now both signed through the 2028 season, and it gives the Eagles that, the homegrown core player that they like a left tackle. And it is for three decades now. This wasn't by design. It was supposed to be Andre Dillard, right? But they've gone from Trey Thomas, the Jason Peters, to Jordan Milaida. And all of them will have, as long as Jordan Mila stays healthy, a decade plus in that role, that's like, you know, if you talk about how the Eagles have had sustained success over this period of time, or relative sustained success, that's a big part of it. Yeah, I mean, it's like, I mean, literally like the Eagles philosophy is,

as long as you're a starting offensive lineman, you're a starting offensive lineman until you retire. I mean, pretty much. Well, not totally. Like Brandon Brooks. Now, Jason Peters, like, probably should have retired. And like, like, Trey Thomas, too, they were probably like, yeah, you know. Well, yeah, but it's like, that's basically it. Yeah.

I always think back to, you know, there was the, there was the training camp competition between him and Dillard the following year in 21. And the way that Jason Kelsey talked about it then was like, he said it very plainly. Like, this is a, this is a camp competition that's. It's going to like change somebody's life. This is a life-changing amount of money. And I mean, that was not a close competition. Like Jordan Milana was absolutely the better player from the very beginning. And, you know, Dillard also got hurt that summer.

But, and look at what has happened since. Like he then he gets an early extension. And then now he gets this amount of money. Like it, and he has said, he said it today, like how wild of a life that he has had. He tries to be appreciative of that. It is a crazy story. It's a great story. Yeah.

well said because as he said seven years ago he couldn't afford a train ticket right he could barely afford a train ticket so I always remind myself when when we talk about oh you know you could have waited two years and seen what the open market hits like like you know you have a 66 million dollar offer in front of you you have a 20 plus million dollar signing bonus in front of you yeah who wants to move you know it's it's like sometimes that type of security that type of assurance It's good for the player. And that's, you know, not to get into... And this one is also definitely good for the team.

Exactly. You know, they're not really changing what he's making very much. Yeah. They're giving him money up front. And if he continues to be a good player, they're going to have a team-friendly deal. Yeah, exactly. But I hear from some people who are critical of contracts sometimes being like, you know, why doesn't the player just wait for free agency?

And the reason is because a lot could happen over two years, right? Right? I mean, if you're Jordan Mila and you say, all right, I'm happy with 66 million over three years added to my deal. I'm happy with the 48 million guaranteed. I'm happy with the 20 plus million signing bonus. Like, this works. This is good. Don't mess with. Don't mess with what works. And so that's the upside there. I guess when you look at Jordan Milata, do you view him as a top five, top eight tackle in this league? I mean, I would be lying if I had a strong opinion about every single tackle in the league. I think he plays at the level of a guy who is, in my mind, like, between 5 and 10. I think that he had this, like, this unbelievable level of improvement every year,

and that has sort of stagnated just a little bit. Like, I don't think from 22 to 2023, he took a big jump, but he's still really good. I mean, he's such a monster over there. He's so athletic. Obviously, the combination with him and Linda Dickerson is something that they want to continue. Although I do still think that there is a possibility of maybe flipping him to the right side at some point on the line. Yeah, I think he's absolutely a very good player. He's worth the money that he is being paid.

It's not more. Yeah, something I asked him today, and I was thinking about this last night when I was thinking about the contract, was so much attention, rightfully so. goes to year one to year three, right? Like he literally didn't know how to play football. He gets here and he gets developed into a starting left tackle. But as you pointed out at the time, when the Eagles gave him that deal, it was before he had become like the full-time left tackle, right?

It was actually on our flight down to Atlanta for the week one game against the Falcons. He had become the starting left tackle. Like, you know, he was the injury replacement the year before in 2020. 2021 he wins that competition decidedly against Dillard. The Eagles don't even, he's entering the fourth year's contract. The Eagles don't even let him start a game yet, right? They sign him to that deal. And we remarked at the time that, like, if he's good, this is like a below market deal.

But it was, he had never started a full season. And so anyway, so I bring that up as a wife saying, I think like the year four to year six development sometimes gets overshadowed because when he got into the lineup, he was good, but you didn't know he was, he was going to be this. Like, he still had to prove that he was going to be this because I sort of think he showed it that first year in 2020. I mean, we had these conversations back in the summer leading into that training camp. Yeah. Like, I thought he was very good in 2020 and way ahead of schedule. You know, he gets thrown in that week one at right tackle and holds his own when everybody thought that was going to sort of be a disaster. And then he gets more playing time on

the left side as that season goes on and more than holds his own, I think... Wait, the week one Driscoll started at right tackle. Oh, he was at left tackle? No, Myelot's first game was the... His first start was the San Francisco game that year. Do you remember? Peters got hurt. He started in San Francisco and he played really well.

He came in during the game in week one. Somebody else got hurt in the middle of the game. Gotcha. He came in and we thought that was going to be a disaster. And then he played, yeah. Anyway, I thought it was clear that year that he was. good and better than Dillard and we were arguing about like well Dillard was a first round pick they're going to want to give him the job but like

they're not going to look a gift horse in the mouth and he was even younger he was better he was a more talented prospect it was I thought clear from then that he was going to be a very good player and he has he has held up to that yes I put this out on Twitter last night and someone actually said this would make for like a good series of shows Eagles what-ifs and I always think with with Jordan like if Andre Dillard didn't tear his biceps in 2020. So not the year they had the competition. But they cleared the deck for Andre D'Orde to be the starter.

Like Jason Peters came back to be the guard. Right. Right. And he had to march into Doug's office and demand a raise. Yeah. And that year, by the way, it's not like Jordan. I mean, Jordan was somewhat inconsistent. Like, I remember the last training camp practice that year, Joe Osman beat someone the last

play. He had his number, yeah. Like throws his helmet at the ground, right? but but anyways Dillard like Dillard gets hurt and the Eagles first try Matt Pryor and then they try Jason Peters it wasn't like all right we're going to turn to Jordan Milada

so anyways if Dillard doesn't get hurt that year do you think at some point it becomes obvious Dillard's not the guy or at some point like Jordan Milada is on the scout team and this guy's too talented to not put in there or do you think they were just so committed that they would be so committed to trying to see the Dillard experiment work Yeah, it's a good what if.

I mean, I think that if Dillard had been able to stay healthy, you know, he wouldn't have been playing at as high a level as Milana was, but I think he probably holds on to the job for a little bit, for sure. And who knows if Milata gets the same development if he doesn't have the on-field development time. But I do think that eventually it would have. It would have worked out that they realized that this guy was much better. Yeah.

I think it would have just taken longer. Sure. Sure. No, he was entering year three. But I've said this on the show, and I don't want this misconstrued. Okay. Jeff Stoutland deserves a lot of credit. And Jordan said that today.

Like Jordan said Stoutland's the big reason, right? The Eagles deserve credit for making the investment, for having the infrastructure for holding on in his first two years when Jordan, didn't really, he wasn't ready to play at that point. Stoughtland developed him, but the person who deserves the most credit in all this is Jordan Milata

because like he put in the work he learned, he endured. This, he likes to say his his life's like a movie. And sometimes it can almost seem like

it's the montage in a sports movie where everything kind of happens so quick. but this all happened like in real time over three years and uh and he put in a lot of work to learn it he put in a lot of work to get to where he is um and not for nothing like you know a wave like a half a world away from his family and everybody he knows like all on his own that's so young like 20 21 years old he deserves he he he he you feel good for him as a person because he's earned everything he has totally And I don't think that that is, I think that's one of your better takes.

Oh, thank you. I'm welcome. I want to hear my worst takes. Well, that'll be a summer show. The people continue to chime in on the stairs. Oh, the stairs, okay. That would probably be among them. All right, before we keep going, let me tell you about True Mark Financial Credit Union.

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it's a my lot of joke 68, 346. It's actually like 370 now or thereabouts but yeah okay His story is as a unicorn, right? Like, it's hard to believe that you could do that again. But do you think that the NFL as a whole should be doing more of this type of, you know, investment in just athletes as opposed to just finding football players from college football? Yeah, I like this question.

So I did a story a few years ago on Daniel Failele. You boy. from he's also from Australia you know six nine four hundred pounds thereabouts from from uh he he went to Minnesota and similar type of story like he was playing basketball and he was in Australia was spotted as a potential offensive tackle now I say this as a like I recognize I'm not naive I recognize there aren't just like Jordan Milada's walking all over the world there aren't Daniel Fah Lele is walking all over the world just like there aren't joel and beads walking all all around the world. But there are more...

There might be some of them, yeah. Yeah, but I'm saying there are more than what the NFL concentrates on. And Jeffrey Lurie, when he was speaking about the Eagles playing in Brazil, one thing that he said is that, like, the NFL is the biggest league in, like, the biggest international export that the American has, something like that. But he said, actually, the NFL hasn't done a good job, like, capitalizing globally. And I'm paraphrasing here. I don't want to miss misconstruer what he said but he said like that was his general point well you know in other words football is more popular globally than what the global population is bringing talent-wise to the

NFL yeah so that so I think that as football spreads right and the NFL's doing their you know they're they're trying to do this and it's easier now to watch things than ever before yeah it would behoove colleges it would behoove colleges it would behoove high high schools. The NFL has this international pathway program, but size is so important when you play football, right? Like, I'm not, I mean, I'm not talking any secrets here, is that if you can find someone who is 6-7, 330, you can find a good coach who can help mold him, who can help teach him. Also, now all of a sudden the coaching is easy. I guess that is your point. I didn't say it's easy. I'm suggesting that.

So I, yeah, I'm not saying there's Jordan Milottos in every street corner in Sydney, but there has to be more out there than what the NFL has exhausted during these past four or five decades. Peckness migrate the words behoove, behave, and beehive. Well, I'm migrating Beehive, right? Yeah, it's a beehive. I don't want anything to do with a beehive. Right? What was that movie when we were growing up? My girl? Is that right? Yes, good for you with the cultural reference. Joy is.

She's crying. I just remember being so spooked out about beehives after that scene at the end. I'm a little bit, so I'm a little bit nervous. Okay. Because Casey, as we have talked about, big dinosaur head knows more about dinosaurs than I know about anything. You know a lot about a lot. That's how much he knows about dinosaurs. I think we're going to let him watch Jurassic Park.

Oh, that's awesome. which I'm excited about but I'm a little worried like are there going to be like they're going to be some traumatic parts is it's a little bit too crossing the line for a six year old I don't know nah you gotta rip the bandit off at some point

right that's how I see it like yeah you just you let your kids watch anything um yeah I mean I'm not they're not asking the watch like uh I don't know

but I'm trying to think but yeah I would let my kids watch Jurassic Park. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I think it's fine. Yeah, I think that's awesome.

That's a cool thing to experience. That's probably what we're going to do tonight. It's a cool thing to experience together. I'm curious how it goes. I'll ask you on Monday. Okay. So, okay, so I nested or I would nest, behoove. And then what's the other one?

Behave. Pecky behave. Well, you know what? You know what? You know what? I'll nest behave. You want to behave quite often. I will peck behoove because sometimes it behoove you to do something,

sometimes it doesn't behoove you to do something. Oh, there you go. So, yeah, maybe it'd behoove someone else. In my show prep, I was not thinking about these three words. Okay. I have a few questions for you with this. Please, fire away. It's football related to say.

I mean, it's a little boring for Friday, but yeah, okay. All right. We got Baldi coming up, by the way. Yeah. I don't even know if we teased that in the beginning. Brian Baldinger coming up in about 10 minutes. We're going to talk both the Milata, the state of the offensive line, some options at 22, all that good stuff.

His thoughts on the Eagles moves this offseason. So the Eagles have clearly not just been aggressive in adding talent this offseason, but they've been aggressive in resigning some of these. They resigned all their specialists. Brady-Man was a free agent, but they gave Jake Yowie an extension. They gave Rick Levato. I'm sorry, Rick Lovato was a free agent as well. But they gave Jigel an extension.

They give Lyndon Dickerson an extension. Now they give Jordan Milata an extension. And a question that I kept hearing from fans yesterday was, is Devante Smith next? And the Smith, I've been saying all along, the Smith situation is a little different than, like, Landon Dickerson, because you have the fifth year option. So he's under team control for two years. But Jordan Milada was under team control for two years. and the Eagles were aggressive getting this done.

Do you think this is, well, I will give my opinion after you give yours, but what's your read on the Devante Smith situation? This is complete opinion, unreported, just conjecture. But I think contra Gorda Maelotta, Devante Smith is more willing to wait it out. Now, I think the Eagles would love to get something done with Devante Smith as soon as they came. Exactly.

Yeah. And I think Devante Smith wants to be paid what he would expect to be paid on the open market. I don't think that he is worried about, and I mean, you've seen the wide receiver market, right? Yes. Devante Smith is much better than Calvin Ridley. And even if Devante Smith got hurt next year and went to the market a year later, he would get paid much more than Calvin Redley got paid, right?

And so I think that this is more like the Eagles are going to, Devante Smith's not taking a discount. They're going to have to meet his price. That's my guess. Sure. What about you? Well, that's a good point because the argument that you hear for, well, players who get paid on the open market, like they hit the open market. That's the benefit of becoming a free agent. If you sign two years early, you're taking away the injury risk. You're taking away, you know, you're paying them now as opposed to waiting two years, right? So teams kind of think, all right, there should be a discount baked in. Almost like what you're arguing with with Jordan Milata. Now, that's not to say Jordan Milata signed a discount a deal. but Jordan Milata didn't sign the deal that he would get on the open market two years from now. He signed what it would be right now.

So if you're talking about Devante Smith, right? There's a few factors here. First off, Jamar Chase is going to get a new deal. Justin Jefferson's going to get a new deal. Like we can keep on going down the list. There's a lot of real, you know, Gell and Waddle was in that draft class. There's a lot of really good wide receivers here. You've seen what the market is for players who are inferior to the players I just mentioned.

That's going to keep going up. Like Justin Jefferson might be like a $30 million dollar. a year contract, right? So it's as we talked about with jail and Hertz last year, is that you want to get the jail and Hertz deal done because he's the highest paid receiver for like, well, I'm sorry, he's the highest paid quarterback for like a minute,

you know, and then someone else does it. So I agree with you. I think this is in Devante's camp or in Devante's hands, if you will. Like, I think the Eagles would sign Devante now if they could. Right. You have covered Jaime Roseman for over a decade.

Yep. Every single thing he has ever done would tell us that he, wants to sign Devante Smith as soon as possible. This is a guy who he wants to be around for a long time. It's a position he cares about. He wants to get ahead of the market. If I would imagine that there is an offer on the table and Devante Smith is not willing to sign it. Yeah, because the only, like the downside for Devante in waiting, there's really two things. One, he could get hurt and two, he doesn't get that money now, right? If he doesn't need, or I shouldn't say need, that's a poor way of framing it. If it's not, if he's willing to wait on getting the money,

and he's willing to gamble on the injury risk, then it always benefits the player to let those other guys get paid first or to get closer. The closer you are to free agency, the more valuable you are in terms of a contract. But there's also risk involved. So yeah, my instinct is that the Eagles want to do this,

but that Devante is willing to wait this market out. But I got to think, you know, look, the Eagles are going to exercise the fifth-year option. It's not as if they're not going to. They do have that as leverage. That is a reason why they would not go all the way to meeting whatever Devante's number is. But it wouldn't surprise me if they're aggressive trying to get this done. And then the only other factor in there that we talked about,

and I don't think this is something they need to worry about now. It's something you worry about at some point is like AJ Brown. He's one of the highest paid receivers in the league. He's one of the best receivers in the league. And I bring this up. AJ, if you're watching, I'm not pitting DeVante against you. Okay, I'm not doing that. saying is that you see these articles out of Cincinnati and one of the things that they're saying

is that and look the Bengals are a different organization than the Eagles I get it but that it's hard to pay two receivers top of the league money it's not possible right but it's it can be difficult for that to happen because I would expect Devante's deal to be top of the league money not like in the 10 to 15 range in like the top 10 range and AJ's already making 25 a year so if you're thinking about that. I'm just, I'm curious about that dynamic. Not to say that like AJ wouldn't want more or that Devonthe would want more than AJ. It's just you, you budget a certain amount of resources to a position and that's a lot of money allocated to a wide receiver.

Yeah, I think I would, I think the team is also probably less worried about being able to pay both guys. You know, you pay the guys who are worth getting paid and you figure out the rest. Okay. I think there are like in terms of the personality dynamics, it's not again pitting them against each other. But if you are in a situation where one guy has just been paid and another guy is looking to be paid, then all of a sudden the target disparity becomes a bit of a deal because one guy's got to get his numbers. Sure. Right?

He's chasing something. And so if Devante and AJ Smith are both going into the next season on their current contracts, they're sort of on equal footing, right? even though AJ is getting paid more, they're both looking for their next deal. If you pay Devante and you haven't paid AJ, then all of a sudden, AJ is the one on the clock or vice versa, right? And so that is a dynamic that might be something that they're thinking about. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah, I don't know. I had one more thing on the wide receivers, but I forgot what it was. Anything else on your football list of topics? Well, I'm excited for these next few weeks of draft talk. We're going to get for the draft. Guys, we're going to get months. We're going to get there.

We spent yesterday plotting out some position by position episodes. Some good guests. I think we're going to have a little Duffman, a little showing some thigh on Monday, hopefully, talking offensive line. Just kind of cleaning up from the press conference today. There was a funny moment. I don't know if you caught it. I did. It was okay.

Okay. I mean, they're like so. a reporter asks about the Sequeon deal and he says where were we babe and the reporter didn't realize that my lotta's wife was in the room but he had already in the press conference reference that she was there that's what i was kind of care i turned around i was like he's not calling you babe who wasn't it was brookie it was brooky okay um i don't know if brooky heard the babe part but um yeah so anyways so there was that landed dickerson he said that uh you know the landin that we saw at the press conferences exactly how landed is

is. He talks to him every day. That's, you know, that's exciting for him. The idea of, like, being what Lane Johnson and Jason Kelsey was in Philly is certainly, you know, it's appealing for him as something that he aspires for. He said that this trip to Italy was the first time that he really kind of allowed himself to reflect on the journey that he's had. And it's amazing to think how far he's come. As you wrote a great story about a few years ago, and as we've discussed a number of times. So those were a few of the things that stuck out. I think he's excited for WrestleMania this weekend.

Are you a wrestle? Are you strike him as a wrestling guy? I have been a big wrestling guy over the years. I have fallen off a little bit. I will not be going to WrestleMania this weekend. I don't know anything about it, but I was watching Anthony show today and saw some WrestleMania thing. I saw a good story.

But Matt Brin today on The Rock and his high school football coach. Matt Brin's been pumping out wrestling content this week. Yeah. Yeah, so not a huge wrestling guy, but yeah, I think some of the Eagles are excited for WrestleMania. Yeah, but we're going to see some cameos. I would imagine so. I would imagine so.

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Miller Brewing Company, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 96 calories per 12 ounces. All right. Well, that's going to sort of do it for the Zach and Bo part of this episode. We're going to bring in Brian Baldinger now and close out the show that way. Lots of good talk with Baldi on the state of the offensive line. What might be coming in the draft, maybe some insight on Lane Johnson's future, what he thinks about Sequin Barclay, what he thinks about Bryce Huff, all that good stuff. So right now, Brian Baldinger, a NFL network joins us.

We will talk to you on Monday. Thanks, everybody. All right, we are back on the PHOI Eagles podcast, and we've got our man. Good to see you, Baldy. How you doing? Well, I'm good. I'm good.

You know, I'm like everybody else in this in our little bubble world of ours. I'm just doing my work, getting ready for the draft, which seems like it's bigger than any other holiday in this whole country right now. So I'm busy preparing, but I'm rested. I'm charged, and I'm like, trying to learn new things about a bunch of new players that are coming to the league.

That is like that is sort of my favorite part of the draft process is like the cramming for a test of it all, which is like the way that I approach many things. But yeah, like there's so, you know, it's three weeks left. I want to learn about as many people as I can. But I want to start because I just have a sense that this was probably not your first earthquake. So it's funny. I was in a production meeting getting ready for. this path to the draft show that we have today.

And we're going through it. And I'm, the walls are shaking. I'm at NFL films. And I hear and feel the wall shaking. And I'm like, this is an earthquake. And I have been in him.

I was in one time at NovaCare. I was talking to Juan Castillo. You might have been there, but I was there. I was on camera at the time. I had to close the show. Do you remember that day? Like I can't remember if that the spring.

If that was OTAs. Like I know, like I'm, that's right what was going on and i thought and they were doing some kind of construction in the room above the studio and i thought that that's what was happening was that the construction was about to collapse yeah and i and i like i i i saw this they had this huge i don't know what they were doing like it maybe it was one of those um camera video things that just you know that that just i don't know i just all the wheels on it shaking and one was looking at me and i was looking at one i'm like yep

it's an earthquake one. I don't know how many years ago that was, but that was the last one I was in. I think it was 2011. I think that's right. All right. Let's talk a little offensive line before we get to the draft as the Eagles have signed Jordan Milana to an extension.

Give us your sense of like where you think Jordan ranks among like the tackles in the league. Well, I mean, you can you can analyze this in a vacuum and just look at tackles. but I kind of look at what they did with Landon Dickerson and extending him and knowing how these two guys have really kind of grown together over the last, you know, two years and how well they play together and just what kind of friend. They'll be friends for the next 50 years. I feel like that left side is as powerful as any left side in football. Jordan is he's an elite player.

That's why they extended it for the second time. It's very hard to get around him. You can't go through them. and if they would have leaned on the run game more of the second half of the season, we might not have seen the collapse that we all watched in the last seven, eight weeks this season. He's a very good player. He got his stance, you know, from Lane, really studied him.

He's got that flying kick stance getting out of his stance. He's very, very good at that. When he gets off to a good start, he rarely ever gets beat. There are so many interesting variables about what the offensive line is going to look like next year for the Eagles and really even moving. forward. And so I want to get to all of those a little bit. But I think one of the things that's interesting about Jordan is because he started as this like total blank slate guy, you know, Stout trained him on both sides. He can do left and right. And so as you are thinking,

what might the Eagles do if they want to draft a tackle in the first round to eventually replace Lane? I think they do have the optionality. If the guy that they draft is just a left side guy, they could eventually flip Jordan to the right side. Do you think that that's a part of their consideration? No. I think he's their left tackle. I don't think he's going to play at least two more years, at least this year or next year. He's healthy.

He feels good. You know, he's on his training program. Last year at this time, he's coming back from, you know, double hernia surgery. So, you know, he's in a good place. Saw him yesterday. But look, you can never go wrong. You know, drafting offense.

I don't care if it's at 22 or 50 or 53. There's good players in this draft. Like they lost a lot of depth this year, Bo. They lost, you know, Sue Peta. They lost Jack Druswell. They lost Kelsey. They lost a lot of depth. And so you can draft a tackle and play with a guard.

You could get value for them. You could draft a guard that can double as a center, you know, a Graham Barton type. You know, I've been pushing for Cooper Beebebe out of Kansas State. Interesting. But you watch Christian Haynes out of Connecticut. I mean, there's a lot of prospects here that are, that could be taken with any number of those top three picks that they have. So just in general, before we get to some of those potential options at 22,

I have been sort of cautioning about the difficulty of just assuming that this offensive line is going to be a top five group without Jason Kelsey next year. How would you sort of explain the difficulty of what it's going to be like to have Cam Juergens there and all of the different variables that's going to change about pre-snap stuff and everything they can do in the running game? Well, I mean, when they dropped to Cam Jergers, they knew that Jason Kelsey was on the back end, and they didn't know when he was going to retire. I mean, he'd been hinting at it for the last three years. And so I think, you know, I mean, I think he, I know he could still play, but sometimes it's good to leave the party before the lights come on.

But that was the heir apparent. I mean, he was part of the process of getting Cam Jergen's drafted. He was an excellent prospect coming out of Nebraska. You know, when he has got a chance to play center, he's been fine. I think it's kind of ridiculous to think he could be JC Kelsey from all of it, from the leadership, the excellent play, you know, tracking linebackers 30 yards down the field. I mean, I think you do some of that stuff. Well, you've got to allow him to kind of just grow into the position, build a relationship

with the guards next to him, and then, you know, working with Jalen on protections and fronts and recognition. So that, you know, I think he's ready to do that. I think he's watched Kelsey and learned a great deal over the last two years. They just have a hole right now at right guard. And maybe that's Tyler Steen and maybe it's not. And so the draft might determine a lot of that right now. But, you know, I think they're in good shape here just going forward with the continuity that they have.

And look, Kelsey will be missed for sure. But everybody has to move on from, you know, Hall of Fame players. You just have to move on. So if it is indeed that they, they go with an offensive lineman at 22. There's this stacked tackle class. You know, we expect that Alt and Fashanu are going to be out of the picture, but you've got Fattano from Washington.

You've got the guy Fugga from Oregon State. You've got Amarius Mims. You've got Tyler Guyton. Is there anybody in that group who sort of screams Jeff Stoutland guy to you? Well, Fulanga is, he's been right-tackled Oregon State. You're wearing the colors. Yeah. I actually was just watching this morning.

I mean, he's got anvil. Like his hands are like anvils. When he hits you, he shocks you. Like I think he's just beginning the process. I mean, he was a fine, right tackle. But when you watch him, he's got some nastiness to him. He moves really well.

There's a lot to like. Tyler Guyton, I just got done watching another game against Texas. Like, honestly, some things just look so easy to him. But he needs a lot of work. Like he's, he doesn't really know how to, I mean, he's six foot eight now. He's got to get lower. He's got to play lower. But you just look at his natural movement.

I mean, when this is all said and done, three years down the road, he might be the best of all of it, of everybody. I mean, including all in Foshano. Like, he's really talented. And I've talked to Lane about him. He's worked out with him in Oklahoma. And, you know, he's just this really elite, smooth athlete. Sometimes that trade, sometimes, Bo, that does transfer to become an elite player. And sometimes you're just this really smooth athlete that doesn't get a lot better.

I mean, it's really up to him and to the coaching. But there's no question in my mind, he can play left tackle. He can play right tackle because he's really good. Amarius is just a freak like size. He's just played very little football. You can talk about the starts, you know, the starts. It's limited eight starts. But he played a lot of football.

They just rotate players at Georgia. And so he was part of these rotations. But just from a size standpoint, you know, he looks the part. I mean, you go through the airport and you're like, oh, man, this is a nasty and scary-looking team. So if we take a step back and talk a little bit about some of the things the Eagles did in free agency, you talked about, you know, if they had leaned on the running game down the stretch, things might have been different. Well, they go out and spend a lot of money to bring in Sequin Barclay. what did you make of it all?

Well, I mean, I thought the Giants, you know, screwed things up last year, Beau. Like, I didn't understand how they extended Daniel and put Sequin on the franchise. Yes, they made the wrong choice there. We'll be the wrong choice there. Like, they could cover it up either way they want. They've made the wrong choice.

And now they're stuck. So I would think that Seekwan, just against the Giants might be in the Pro Bowl this coming season, just seeing them twice. Like, I think he's just going to see like red, you know, and just. Like you thought you thought Boston Scott was bad Giants fans wait until you see Seiquot. Yeah. So I mean there's I mean when that schedule comes out next month, I mean those games

would be circled by Seacuan right away. Like Sequin is an interesting back because he doesn't, he's not a guy that makes people miss and he's not a guy that just has this you know, contact balance that runs people over. He doesn't. But if you give him a runway, like he'd go a long ways and he could take you give him a crease the way I think this will be the best offensive. lines ever played behind. You give him a crease now. I mean, he and a steady crease where it's not just this traffic jam on, you know, the Garden State Parkway, like it was in the Giants the last, you know, many of the last couple of years. Like, he can go a long ways. And you can move him around. He's a very good receiver, just to the ball really well in the air. He can run a lot of

different type of routes. He can run the wheels and everything. So like there's a lot of really multiple ways that you can use Saquan, but I expect that this whole running back by committee thing is over. He's just starting running back, maybe Gamewell's the backup, whatever. But like, he's going to get 300 touches.

And I think he's going to put up 15, 1,800 yards. I expect that from Saquan this year. I think I'm with you. Just rushing. Yeah, sure. Other side of the ball, you're also, in addition to the Eagles, you're very close to that Jets team. And so this, like,

like trade by proxy that the Eagles have made of letting Hassan Redick go, bringing in Bryce Huff. What is that going to do for the defense? What kind of player are they getting? Well, I mean, look, Bryce Huff, the difference is Hassan is a full-time player. He plays 75% of the same. Bryce has never done. He's been a rotational player.

Hey, it's 30 and 12 Bryce Huff time. And so I like Bryce Huff. I nicknamed him the Bugatti. He's like an expensive Italian sports car. I like that. You take it out for a drive and you know, you feel different. And so he took up to. You need to explain it to me because I have never driven a Bugatti.

I haven't either. I understand that this is a special type of drive. Like he's bigger than Hassan. And I've always said to study him in New York, especially the last two years, that he should get more playing time. But they had a lot of depth at that position. So he rotated. So maybe he plays himself into more snaps instead of 48% of snaps.

maybe he plays 60%. And if he does, or 65%, if he does, let's see how he holds up because he's never had to do that before. And let's just see how he plays against the run if he's out on the field on first downs, which he wasn't in New York. So from that standpoint,

like Hassan is a better player because you know Hassan can affect the game in a lot of different ways. We've got to see that about Bryce. I think the Jets got the better the deal, but Bryce is younger. He's coming off his best season. let's put him in there next to J.L.

Carter and see what he becomes. And if they decide to start him, or if they continue playing him in a rotational role, but if you shut up 51 million shekels, you think that he's going to be more than a part-time player. Yeah. And so do you think that really was just the circumstance of how deep the Jets were,

or do you think there are real concerns about him as a run defender? I think it's both. I think it's both. I mean, Jermaine Johnson really grew it. to his role second year as the number one draft pick. They had signed Carl Austin into a big, big number. They had Jonathan Franklin Myers who could play on the edge.

So they had guys that could play out there. And they were a team built around their defensive front, much like the Eagles, the 49ers, a few other teams this league, where they put a lot of resources into the defensive line. And so they were eight or nine deep. There was some Sundays

last year the jets drafted or addressed nine defense alignment. And they just had this rotation. So that he had his role within that rotation. And they were really, really good. They just realized Biden, December, that you can't win games if you don't score any points. They didn't score any points.

So the defense kind of fell apart at the end of the season. What about bringing Johnson Garner Johnson back? You know, we've heard so much about the attitude he brings. What about just what he brings on the field? Well, I mean, he's, you know, Jonathan Gannon really used him in a great way. He took over for Malcolm Jenkins here. and he was great in that Malcolm Jenkins role.

He was really nasty down the box. He's a very good tackler. He's got a lot of savviness, you know, down the box. But he also, you know, reads, you know, routes and the quarterbacks really well. And that's how he came up with the six interceptions. He got injured last year in Detroit. Wasn't much of a factor. But I think he, I don't think, like, I never really understood even last year

how you decided to part ways with Chauncey but Keith Bradbury. I got to me, like they didn't get it right last year. And Chauncey should have been the guy they kept and they should have moved on. But they did it the other way and now he's back. So I think they recognize the mistake that they made last year. Anything else in terms of at 22 guys who are who may be on your radar as we are all trying to cram for this exam that is approaching? Well, I mean, I know that you know, there's some elite defensive line prospects in this draft. You know, I mean, Dallas Turner is an elite player.

Jared Verst is an elite. Edron Cooper, if you just watch his Alabama game, you go, you know, he's Hassan Reddick, you know. That's how he moves, maybe even quicker. There's some elite defensive tackles. I mean, you know, Johnny Newton is an elite player. Now, you can say you're set with Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter and Tui Polo, too, but be honest with Milton Williams. but Jordan Davis hadn't showed me a lot so far. I don't know who he showed anything to so far.

I know how big he is and he'll talk about his weight, you know, when we get to minicamp and all this. He's been a non-factor. And so at some point you go, what is Jordan Davis? And if he isn't what you need to see, which is somebody that can really affect a quarterback, Johnny Newton at 22, like, I'm not saying it's a mistake with Jordan Davis, because I'm not ready to do that.

I want to see him with a different defense line coach and a different coordinator right now. But, you know, Johnny Newton is an excellent, excellent football player. So there's 22. There's offensive lineman, Graham Barton at Duke, you know, is a guy that can play any position.

You know, you might plug and play him at right guard. And you're going to get a really smart, talented player. We talked a little bit about Byron Murphy yesterday, too, from Texas. if you're looking at defensive tackles. You like him as well? Yeah, I do. Yeah, I like Newton better than Murphy, but, you know, depending on who you talk to, it's one, two.

But he's, you know, Devandre Sweat was there, but he reminds him with Jordan Davis. Like he's got massive size, but I'm not sure about this pass rush ability. But Murphy gives you good pass rush, gives you a good pop in the middle. I don't think he's Jalen Carter talented, but he's a talented player.

And he's the first. round pick. He's a first round talent. So just a question of where you're comfortable taking him. I expect, honestly, Howie, to move in this draft, whether it's up or down, because it's just who he is. And they could do that if they want to go after a star player or acquire more picks. I think I can see them going up and I can see them going down in this draft. I actually can't even see him staying at 22. Like I feel like go after one of the elite prospects. up front and that might be Fawaga and just say he's our right guard and down the road maybe he takes over for Lane if that happens going up to get a guy like that or drop them

back and acquiring just more depth and more picks along the front and hopefully finding themselves a corner for the future. Yeah, I think that's right. The only thing that I is making me think that they could stay at 22 is if they just want to tackle and there's all of those guys. one of them is going to be there. That's the one position where I think if they're going to stick and pick, that's where it makes sense. Otherwise, I think you're right. Howie's proclivity is definitely to move up or down around the board.

Last one. You think we're going to see Lane at WrestleMania this weekend? Yeah, for sure. He'll be over there. Kelsey will be over there. It'll draw a big crowd. It's a big event. So big events.

Big events just draw. Guys in the trenches. They want to go be a part of it, you know, splash around, you know, go watch guys fly off the turnbuckle and go, could this be my second career? So I expect Glenn. I saw him yesterday. I know he's in town. So I expect him to be over there this weekend.

Who was like, were you a wrestling guy growing up? Did you have a guy who was yours? I was a Brett Hart guy growing up. Yeah. Well, I remember when I played Dallas, like Devon Eric's used to work out at the gym I went to. They were like the wrestlers back then. So I kind of go back to Hulk and you know Hulkomania and all that kind of stuff back then But I I've always been attracted to it

Knowing just the level of athlete it takes even if you want to say it's fake whatever they want to say Like it takes great athletes to do a lot of things that they do so I was out a deep respect and You know and honestly in this digital footprint world that we live in nothing comes close to wrestling when it comes to just wrestling I mean, soccer, MMA, football, nothing comes close to the attention that wrestlers get on social media. Except for Brian Baldinger, because your numbers are Bafo. We know that, Baldi. Thank you so much.

They want right here, Beau. That's all. Thank you for taking the time. I look forward to talking again soon, Baldy. And that'll do it for this episode of the P.H.O.Y. Eagles podcast back on Monday. We're going to have, I believe, Fran Duffy joining us in studio. So that'll be fun. Thanks to everybody for watching and listening.

We'll talk to you later, and as always, we love you.