PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | Philadelphia Eagles free agency, Day 2: What does Howie Roseman do next?

Episode Date: March 12, 2024

Free agency rolls on as the Eagles remain in need of a linebacker and safety while we wait for some kind of resolution on the future of Josh Sweat and/or Haason Reddick. After the additions of Saquon Barkley and Bryce Huff, what does Howie Roseman have up his sleeve for the next move? Zach Berman and Bo Wulf talk it through and wait on pins and needles for news to drop. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

to the PHLY Eagles podcast on a Tuesday at high noon. Bo Wolf, Zach Berman, day two of the legal tampering period is here. Zach, we had some news this morning. We've got a little bit more to talk about about league-wide stuff. We are still waiting to see if the Eagles are going to make a move with Hassan Reddick and or Josh Sweat. If they're going to add a linebacker, if they're going to add a safety, maybe a corner, maybe a backup quarterback.

I don't know. How you doing? I'm doing well. It's good to see you. It's good to see Julia and Chris. Now, I'm a big context guy, and I would say of the two of us, you're less of a context guy. You like the inside jokes, right? I would agree with that.

And so I got to imagine here we are. We're not just trying. We're attracting new viewers. We're growing the show. Well, we're certainly attractive. I would say I would agree with you on that. They're tuning in, and they see a big thing of Jiff, a peanut butter, Hennessy, this honey with a clove in it. I don't think that's a clove.

All right. But they see honey with chunks in it. And it's jumping. It was a comb. With a comb in it. And anyways, they have no idea what's going on here. And there's four mugs here. So is there irrelevance to the four mugs? Well, we'll get to the four mugs. I didn't even know that part of it. I had nothing to do. And everybody thinks that's just a trickster here. I had nothing to do with the peanut butter and the honey. That is all crisp. Oh, Chris. I apologize.

I thought that was Bo up to his hijinks as usual. I had nothing to do with that. This is all Chris, so shout out to Chris. He brought, what did you bring the honey from home? The honey was in, uh, fine until he his office and the peanut butter is from home. The honey was, was in the office and which you, that you picked up the honey before the show started and you go, this is gross. I thought, in my defense, I thought those were chunks. I didn't realize that was the actual, uh, comb where the honey was coming from.

from. Gotcha. As for the Hennessy, we will get to what the Hennessy is for. But before we do that, before we get to the news, Zach, I think everybody is on pins and needles, tender hooks. They want to know how things went last night. We lost. We did not play particularly well.

We deserved to lose last night. We were outplayed. Yeah, we did not have a good game. And I give credit to the other team. Lopsided? Lopsided, yeah. And I give credit to the time. to the other team.

Delaware, undefeated. Yeah, we were not at our best. And we let the game get away from us. And you know what? I take responsibility as part of the team. But yeah, we did not play well enough to win. Do you have, is there like a third place game next week? There is a third place game next week.

Now I might be going to the Sixers game that night. So I don't know. So much for being the ultimate teammate. All of a sudden, you can't chase a run. ring and you're ditching your, your brethren. Not ditching my brethren. I think you've been aware, actually,

of like the six-year situation here where we were offered tickets. And I don't want to, so if we made the, I don't want it to deprive my son the chance of going to gain, to a game in good seats. If we're able to do that, if we're getting offered the seats, right? So I think you're making the right decision. Yeah.

Kudos to you, you know, family over everything. I'm just saying if you're going to walk into the locker room and think that you're the ultimate teammate, when you're not there for the third place game, they're going to say this guy, when they go and got tough, this guy got going. It's not that at all. I mean, it's not that at all. Any shots last night? I really didn't get many minutes last night, to be honest with you. That's tough.

When I say that, when I say that, you give up your Monday night in the middle of free agency, and you can't even get some burn. You don't even get the workout? You're baiting me here. I'm not going to get into that. Look, we didn't play well enough to win as a team, and I wish we won, and we're playing in the championship game next week. But, you know, that's what happens. That's competition. Just to set the order of events for today's episode, we're sticking to an hour because the Lennon-Dickerson Press Conference will be at the Novacare Complex this afternoon. to get out of here for that. We will save the extended versions for another time and place maybe later this week or maybe next week at some point if you want to be screenshoting those diehard sign-ups on the snow. But we're going to keep this bad boy tight today. And let's start, Zach, with the one addition the Eagles have made since we last spoke last night for the Zach Bonn emergency

podcast. The Eagles have added an offensive lineman. Yeah, the Eagles had at Matt Hennessy from, well, he's from the Atlanta Falcons, went to Temple. So local players, it's going to be a one-year deal. They agreed to terms. Bowulf and I were on that story. Oh, flex. I'm trying to pump you up here. Yeah, I'm trying to pump you up.

So, yeah, this is, he's valuable depth. He's started 22 games in the NFL. Most of his work has been at center. He's also played left guard. and we've spoken in quacketology last week and in conversations about what the Eagles are going to do at backup center. And if they're going to get someone who kind of has legitimate center experience, and that's what Hennessy brings you. He's still young.

26 was a really good player at Temple. Second team, All-American, had a 3-7 GPA there. I graduated with a degree in finance. Smart guy was recruited by Harvard and Yale. Now, I don't think that we can necessarily say definitively that he's a smart guy just because he had a 3-7 GPA or because he was recruited by those schools. I mean, he went to Don Bosco, like, there's some, there's some, you know. Oh, Don Bosco, Shea.

No, that's not shade. That's just, like, that's a pipeline. Like, that we can't, like, just because Ryan Fitzpatrick went to Harvard doesn't mean that Ryan Fitzpatrick can, like, perform surgery tomorrow. Like, I'm just backing off of this guy's smart because of the school that he went. too. I'm saying there's anecdotal evidence of his intelligence. Okay. Okay. And he's athletic, am I allowed to say that? He has good

athletic. Now, he had good athletic testing in 2020 and was in the Senior Bowl. And so this is someone who I imagine third round pick. The Eagles have been monitoring him. I don't expect him to be a starter for the Eagles, but maybe he pushes at right

guard that Tyler Steen roll, but certainly gives them quality depth. It's someone who legitimate starting experience in the NFL. Now he's coming off an injury. He was like the starting left guard for the Falcons at the start training camp last summer, suffered a season ending knee injury.

There's, from what I can tell there wasn't a report on what the exact injury was. I assume it was an ACL, but he also had a knee injury the year before. So he's had some injury issues. As you said, can play a couple different positions. You and I have a show every single day, and I think that we can go a little too overboard with like, well, I said this, you said,

or whatever. But I do think that we had this conversation, and I expected the Eagles to add a player of this caliber, like, for this specific purpose, somebody who could potentially compete at Red Guard, who can serve as a backup center, and allow them just a little bit of breathing room that if there's an injury there, like there are a lot of moving parts and a lot of unknowns on the offensive line, they needed somebody of this caliber. And if you're not willing to pay the big bucks for a star of that level like Michael Dunn, then I think Michael Henness, then I think Matt Hennessy sort of makes sense.

Yeah, well said. I agree with you there. I didn't think they were going to go out and sign a starting right guard, but this gives them quality depth. And when you look at, you know, if you could resign Jack Triscoll, who doesn't have that center flexibility,

or you can have someone like Matt Hennessy, like we said, third round pick in 2020. Trisco was a fourth round pick that year. I would rather have the one who could play center, especially in past Eagle season, when Jason Kelsey was the starter, you didn't necessarily need to have that, like, true center as the backup, right? But I think this year it's probably more pronounced,

given Cam Juergens as injury history, given the fact that Cam Jurgens is still an unknown, to have someone who started and played games at center in the NFL. And this is a player with upside, right? I mean, there's downside because he might just get hurt again, but there's upside that he can play at a, you know, solid starting caliber level. And, you know, this is part of the appeal of a Jeff Stoughtland, right?

You get a guy with tools, and maybe Stoughton can get the most out of him. Yeah, and I imagine, you know, when you think about the player Stoutland likes with the athletic profile, yeah, this fits. And I think there was a level of interest in Hennessy in that draft. In that draft? Right? Yeah. Now, come to think of it there, the Eagles, they took Davy on Taylor in the third round that year, but that was a late third round pick, so Hennessy wasn't on the board by that point.

So their first two picks were Joan Rager, Joan Hertz, and they never really got a crack of Hennessy thereafter. All right. Well, I mean, a crack of Hennessy, look at that. Breaking the news, Zach, you know, getting the scoop, I feel like you've got to celebrate. Now, I'm not drinking on it. A little Hennessy, little Henney. No, I'm not doing that.

That's some for Julia, some for Chris. Oh, okay. Look at that. We've got these mugs here. You know, five o'clock somewhere. Not here, though. Not here. I got to drive over to Noviare after this. Just a little wet your beak.

By the way, Chris, you want to come get this? Oh, yeah, Chris is all in on the headie. I'll grab it for us. Thank you. Cheers to you, Zach. I will cheers, right? I'll cheers, cheers, well done, but I'm not. Cheers, there you go.

Act like you've been there before, right? Every time you have a story, you don't need to take a drink. it is very silly. You and I were laughing about this. Like the, like, oh my gosh, the Matt Hennessy, which you have broken, like, you know, the notifications, like the, the stupidity of the dopamine hit that that gives you for such a low-level thing is, like, ridiculous and like the tiniest little taste of, like, you know, what Mike Garifolo's life must be like. Yeah, Mike's watching this right now, and he's like, I remember my first beer, right? So it's like, relax, you know. Okay.

I mean, yeah. By the way, Mike G's been... This is not about breaking the news. This is about a Hennessy joke. Yeah, Mike G's been killing it, though. Shout out to Mike G. Mike G. Is that a good day? But yeah, so Hennessy spelled just like this, Hennessy,

is the new reserve offensive line for the Eagles. All right, there you go. All right. Let's reset things here, Zach. Yes. Now, we have our grades up on... Sequin Barclay and Bryce Huff and Zach Bonn on all-P-H-L-Y.com right now, which you can read. The grading scale was?

The grading scale was, this was your idea. This was a good one. Since they signed a Huff and a Barclay, he did ex-Chip-Cellie players with the Chip-Celley-Era players. Yeah, I originally was thinking Chip-Cellie draft picks, and then we expanded it to Chip-C-C-C-C-C-Ley players. Yeah, a little bit too narrow? Too narrow, I think, yeah. Okay. You know, the one that I felt best about was my Clifton-Gethers for Zach Bon.

I felt like I really nailed that one. I like my Marigos one for Zach for Zach Bonn. Wisconsin guy, I play special teams. Yeah. It's okay. Okay. I like my Sam Bradford for Saquo and Barclay, too. That's ominous.

I think that's probably right. That's a one-and-down situation. We can get into that a little bit more. But before we do that, because I do have some extended thoughts on Berkeley and Huff, let's talk about where the Eagles stand right now. And if you look at, you know, the positions where we know that they're going to add somebody. Sure.

Linebacker and safety. Let's talk safety first because you lay this out and it becomes pretty clear that linebacker is the place where there is less depth and they're going to need to make a move at some point. But safety, you've got Justin Simmons, you've got Cam Curl, you've got C.J. Gardner Johnson. You've got Jordan Fuller, who you've talked about, Julian Blackman, Jordan Whitehead, Deshawn Elliott, Eddie Jackson, Mike Edwards, and then you've got the two tweeners in Kyle Dugger

who was transition tagged and Jeremy Chin. your boy and then a linebacker you know Patrick Queen is still out there then you go to Jerome Baker Willie Gaye Josie Jewel Devon White Tyrell Dodson you know Cody Barton if you want to get nasty but like it's it is a significant drop-off there in terms of like somebody who's gonna represent a real upgrade for them or a reliable starter what do you expect the next 24 hours to look like with with regard to those two positions Well, I'm expecting safety, and we saw Derek Gunn say last night that the Eagles are in on C.J. Gardner Johnson, which is something that I would expect them to be in on C.J. Garner Johnson. There are some other guys still out there. Like you said, I think of the players that have been linked to them, C.J. is the one I would watch. All of the kind of fits that I've said, like, if I were Howie Roseman, I would look at Jordan 4, but I would be fine. I've said I would be in favor of a C.J. Garne.

or Johnson return. Linebacker, the linebacker market's been a little higher than I expected. Yeah, I think that's a factor. At the money that's going to that position. I was talking about signing someone in that $6 to $8 million range. And some of the guys were in that $6 to $8 million range, or some of the guys who I thought would be kind of closer to that are actually now closer to double digits.

So maybe there's a... So Jordan Brooks came in just under 10 and Louvo just over 10? Yep. Okay. Yeah, Louisville was like 11. And I need to go through the signings there. So that's, oh, Azir. Oh, Aziz al-Shahir, yeah.

So, yeah, so the market hasn't been as favorable. I do think Justin Simmons, there's probably smoke there, legitimate smoke there in, or there is legitimate smoke there, because the age is a factor there. At some point, the Eagles say, all right, you didn't get the 24-year-old Xavier McKinney. Can you get Simmons, gives you competent? they're to good safety play over the next year or two,

and then you're kind of back in the safety market next year or thereafter. If you can't quite get the guy that you want, I would watch that. But I would watch CJ and Justin Simmons at safety. I can't tell you quite the direction they would go at linebacker right now. Jerome Baker is still out there. I think that's a player I would watch for the Eagles. Yeah, Kenneth Murray making nine.

We kind of talked about Kenneth Murray as a man. Yeah, that was more than I thought Kenneth Murray was going to make. That was the one that made me... Now, I think actually that one was, like, his reporting of it, his own thing, and that's an up-to-do, which he's doing a lot of work there. I think it was actually more like seven or something like that. Okay, but even still, I thought that might be in like the five-to-seven range, as opposed to 68, the six-eight range. So that's... Those are two things to watch, and then I would also pay attention.

You know, I know Twitter is a flutter. Is that the correct way of saying it? Twitter is a flutter about Josh Sweat on Instagram saying, you know, I'm going to miss you all. I wouldn't be surprised if there's an edge rusher move during the next 24 hours. You mentioned on the show yesterday. I thought it was a good point that when I say the show yesterday, the emergency show we did when the Eagles signed Zach Bond or agreed the terms of Zach Bond, that maybe this is an indication of the body type the Eagles are looking at for edge rusher. and of the Josh Sweat, Hassan Reddick,

Hassan Reddick would fit that certainly more than Josh Sweat. And so maybe Josh Sweat's the one that they move. And that post that Josh Sweat had on Instagram would suggest that maybe something's coming today that he expects to be moved. So we'll see. Brian Burns' trade potentially set a market price. Now, it's not apples to apples

because of the contract situation, because of the tag situation. but I would watch the Josh Sweat Market in the next 24 hours. Do you think there's still a chance they both get moved? I think there's a chance they both get moved, but I'm still thinking it's one. And my guess is sweat at this point. So you're moving now, you're thinking it will be sweat now. Oh, yeah.

I mean, well, I said in yesterday's show, when the sweat news emerged, when the sweat news emerged, I thought it would be sweat at that point, right? like I don't think the Eagles I don't think the sweat stuff would have gotten out there it had been quiet behind the scenes and I don't think it would have gotten out there unless the Eagles were like all right we're looking to move him now

and perhaps it's because they're looking to move both or perhaps it's what we said yesterday that the Reddick market either for on Reddick's side for the contract he would sign or for the Eagle side in terms of the comp they would get maybe wasn't satisfactory and they said all right let's let's pivot and trade sweat and keep Reddick

Now, I want to ask you about Patrick Queen. Yeah. Because just like the notion that Howie Roseman and Jeffrey Lurie would never pay for a running back, and they go out and sign Sequin and Barclay, the top linebacker on the market is still out there. Is there a chance you think that the Eagles would view that similarly where it's not worth overpaying for the middle of the market? But if Patrick Queen is still available 24 hours into free agency, it means that he's. He hasn't found the deal that he is expecting, right? And if he's coming down to a number that you feel comfortable with, is that something they would do?

And I think there's the, I think there was a Yahoo report about, like, Jeffrey and Howie are, like, disciplined about their priorities. But there is also, like, a, like, an art collector thing to them where, like, they get enamored with a name sometimes. And, like, Patrick Queen is a big name and he's a big splash. is that something that you think could attract them? Well, I'll divorce the name and splash part of it and just, I have heard that there were people in that building who really liked Patrick Queen coming out of LSU. Now, that's an obvious thing.

Patrick Queen was a high pick, right? A lot of people like Patrick Queen coming out of LSU. I wrote something last year when we were at the Athletic. When I did, then it was a 12-step guy to the Eagles off season. Pick that up. Is that P-H-L-W-5? You're better at exercise. You've got three more steps in.

I went from 10 to 12 to 15, right? Two years ago was 10. Good for you. Yeah, so thank you. Getting your steps in. Get my steps in, right? $10,000 a day. So in the 12-step guide, last year I said the Eagles should trade for a starting player

coming off, entering the last year of their deal. And I mentioned Patrick Queen because the Ravens at that point had just traded and paid Roquant Smith, and they drafted Trenton Simpson in the third round. and I bring this up as a way of saying that this is a player that the Ravens were ready to, I'm going to say move on from, but that they traded for the top guy at the position, even though Queen was a high pick, and then they drafted Trenton Simpson on Trenton Simpson in the third round. Queen had a terrific year last year. I kind of thought, and I think a lot of people in football, thought that he would go to Seattle this offseason,

especially when Jordan Brooks leaving, he has that connection with Mike McDonald. That very well might be the way this turns out. It would almost be a red flag to me if Mike McDonald didn't want Patrick Quinn. Sure, yeah, exactly. I still don't think the Eagles are going to pay top of the market at linebacker. Now, maybe Queen's market comes down, and it's within the range of the Eagles we're looking to spend. But I don't think the Eagles are going to get money happy or contract happy or overspend at linebacker. Yeah, I could go both ways on Queen.

My instinct is like there's a distinction between paying for the guy who's coming off his best year for a guy like Bryce Huff, as we talked about, who never really had the opportunity, versus a guy like Patrick Queen who was a first-round pick and was given every opportunity and struggled. And then finally in his final year, you know, was playing next to Roquan Smith. Yep. And everything was set up for him to succeed in this great defense. Exactly. Very good, right? That would worry me a little bit. The flip side is, I think, at that position in particular,

linebacker is a position where it does take development, and you are likely to get players improving over the course of their career, and maybe the second contract is when they are at their best. But, you know, would I rather have Patrick Queen and Eddie Jackson, or would I rather have Justin Simmons and Josie Jewel, probably the latter? now Josie Jewel is a little bit older. Yeah, you're a big Josie Jewel guy. Well, I'm not a big Josie Jewel guy, but I would, I think he's a player who makes sense.

Like, I would kind of like to see, I think I might feel better about like double dipping on Josie Jewel and Tyrell Dodson and adding some like tangible depth. And like you now have got with Nicoby Dean three guys who can play than spending the combined money for those guys on Patrick Queen. Yeah, I would rather see what Trump Baker's market is at that point. The Ravens declined Queens' fifth year option last year. It would have been $13 million, right? Now, he had a terrific year, pro-bowl player. But I would say if I had to make a list of the best run organizations in the NFL, the Ravens would be in the top three, top five, maybe, probably top three.

And the fact, you know, now that was a, now they led a lot of great. Now, they let a lot of good players leave. That's why they lead the NFL in Comptics in the history of Compex, right? This is kind of the way they do it. They get the draft good players. They develop good players that let those players leave, then they draft good players again. Who's your top three?

Well, the Ravens. I think the Eagles are up there. I mean, I would have to think. I mean, the Chiefs, now how much of that's my homes. Yeah, you can argue with the Chiefs, really. I think Brett Veach does an outstanding job. I think the Niners are a well-run organization. I think the Rams are a well-run organization.

I think, yeah, but I would... Packers are a pretty well-run organization. Packers? Okay, yep. They got the best owner in sports. What, the fans? No owner, yeah. No owner? Okay. Yeah, I...

Well, here, I'll put it this way. I think the Ravens are just, like, an extraordinarily run organization. Yeah, I think they're a well-run organization. I don't think we need to throw them a parade. But the city of Baltimore's throwing them prey under one. But they're also paying Roquant Smith a lot of money. They're not going to pay two linebackers at the top of the market. Sure.

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Celebrate responsibly Miller Brewing Company, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 96 calories per 12 ounces. Last specific guy I want to ask you about at those positions. You mentioned CJ Gardner Johnson. Do you think there's a chance that they would do CJ Gardner Johnson? Johnson and another safety and they're playing C.J. Gardner Johnson as a nickel. Yeah, I do think there's a chance for that. Now, I don't know if that's something C.J. Garner would want to sign up for. I think it would really depend on what C.J. Garner Johnson's market is. I think he would want to come here to be the starting safety. If you remember when he

got traded to the Eagles, a big part of that was so he can play safety and not slot, I think the versatility is a benefit, but I think he wouldn't come here to be the slot. I think he'd come here to be 100% of the downs. player. Okay. Other question for you, Marcus Marriota, signs in Washington. Yeah, good for Marcus. Do you think Eagles are going to sign a backup quarterback? So I think they would sign a low-priced quarterback. Like if Easton stick comes in at, you know, the two to three million range, okay, that's fine, right? I do, and I wrote this, so maybe I'm injecting my own opinion here in my 15th step. If if I were Hallie Roseman column, I would say I would stack the deck for Tanner McKee, meaning I would sign someone inexpensive, but not with a lot of guaranteed money,

and I would give Tanner McKee the chance to be the QB2. And by the way, this was the Eagles plan with Nate Sudfeld going into the 2019 season, and then Sudfeld got hurt during training camp. He really didn't get a chance to play, and they moved or they signed Josh McCallum. But that's kind of, that's, I would try to see what Tanner McKee can give you as the backup quarterback. The Eagles are entering the first year of J-1 Hurts's extension. Now, the cap, the cap space didn't swell in a terrific way or in a significant way, but it is much more than you were paying or then you were allocating for Hertz the past four years. So I would say that

if you can get him, if you can get a veteran at a low price without guaranteed money, have that guy come in and compete with Tanner McKee. But I don't think the Eagles will leave themselves completely bare there. It's kind of an organizational philosophy that has stability of backup quarterback. Yeah, I mean, the reason to want him to be the number two, aside from believing that he can be that and is good enough for that is because it saves you money

when you're paying the starting quarterback so much. But because they are not so crunched up cap-wise, that becomes less of a necessity on a one-year timeline. So I think they could sign somebody of the $3 million variety, but I think it's more likely they sign someone like Easton Stick or somebody even older than that, and they're rooting for Tanner McKee to beat them out and train camp. Stacking the deck.

Yeah. Yeah. They're putting, yeah. I know that stacking the deck is the right. Maybe. Yeah, you're stacking the deck, meaning like you're creating a situation where he could win. That's what you mean by stacking the deck. Usually, I think stacking the deck is like you're stacking the deck against somebody.

You can stack the deck for somebody. Chris, you're a big car. Cards guy. Can't you stack the deck for somebody? Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. If the rules are reversed, I would not have interrupted the show here to push you on. Oh, please. You have interrupted me. What was the thing from a couple months ago, whatever the pronunciation of the word was that I was correct about and you stopped me on? Come on. Come on. Come on. I would not have done that. And Chris was on your side and Chris was wrong too. Don't think I forgot.

No, it was whether something was a word. That was definitely a word. Yeah, Khalif says, cards guy. Yeah. I, I, I would. I'll tell you, we might have a Chris episode this summer. Chris is the most interesting man in the world. So, yeah, we're going to have, like, in June, there's going to be a Lull in June, and if Chris isn't on vacation, we're going to pull up a third scene. It's going to be, like, inside the actor's studio. We're going to do the Pruis questionnaire with Chris.

Oh, he's getting married. Oh, congratulations. He's finding out more things. Congratulations. Married guy. That's fun. Wait a second. Oh, huge is the word.

No, hugest. Hugeest. Yeah, it's hugest a word, which it is. So this is how we find out that we didn't get the invite to the wedding? Yeah. It's only a media standpoint. So no one, there's no friends. Yeah, Chris said, or I'm sorry, Kalif says if we need a Chris and Julia Q&A.

I'm actually, I'd rather Julia not have a Q&A on here because I'm afraid of what Bo would ask. That's true. And don't ignore the fact that the chat is unanimous right now and that I was right about the stack of that conversation. Let's see. How many minions are saying that? We got Big Mick Big Mike D, Christopher W.

You usually stack the deck against someone. You can stack the deck for someone. You can't stack the deck in your favor? I don't think it's, I don't think it's, colloquially, it's used that way. All right. You keep talking.

I'm going to look this up. Can you, all right. Can you stack the deck in your favor? Yeah, literally in YouTube. How to stack the deck in your favor. Yeah, of course, but the way that you're using it is not the way that it's used. Here, how to stack the deck in your favor?

Stacking the deck. Stacking the deck in the favor of. Manipulate a situation and results in an unfair advantage for someone or something. So, yeah, stack in the deck creates unfair advantage. But I also don't think that that's what they would be doing. They're not, they don't want to create a situation where they're setting up a patsy. What they want is someone who can provide a baseline competency and hope that Tanner McKee does a better job and wins the job. That's, it's a little bit different.

First off, I just want to point out there's a lot of Zach is right. Zach is correct. Zeev is right on this one, okay? Yeah, no, it is correct in this sense that when I say stack the deck for him, I mean, don't create a situation. So, make it. Stacking the deck for him would imply like they're signing me to be the other. No, it's not signing. It's giving him the second team reps, once camp starts, not having someone who's a big threat for the job.

They're stacking the deck for him to be the backup quarterback. If this was any other person right now, we would have moved on to the next topic four minutes ago. Well, yeah, but you're doing the same. I was ready to move on. You're the one who's digging in. We shall move on. Let's move on. We shall.

We shall move on. Let it be so proclaimed. Let's talk to. There's two things that I still want to get to. Okay. Do you want to do Sequin first or do you want to talk about the Brian Burns of it all? Excuse me, let's do Sequin. That's the big topic right now. Okay. I think Sequin and this is not necessarily an original point, but the distinction here between is this really exciting for Eagles fans? Absolutely. You should be excited about the possibility. And we talked about the upside that this brings to the offense and how much more important the offense is. and I do think that this was probably the one place in free agency

that they could have made the biggest delta at a position that they were willing to sign, versus, like, what are the expectations? And I think the difference between the Bryce Huff signing and the Sequin-Barkley signing is with Bryce Huff, I think you are paying for projection and what you expect to happen. And with Sequan, you are paying for past production.

Absolutely. And just look at the history of guys who have had as many touches as he has had and what they do after that. And it is really dire. And just over since 2010, 21 running backs with at least 1,300 touches in their first six seasons. Saquan Barclay has almost 1,500 touches. Of those guys, so divorce, take Sequan Barclay out and take Josh Jacobs out. because he's only played five seasons. The 19 other running backs have combined

for just six total seasons in which they had a thousand-yard rushing season after year six. Two of those, LaShawn McCoy, two of those, Derek Henry, one of them Christian McCaffrey a year ago, and one of them, Joe Mixin a year ago. Like, there is a real chance

that Sequin Barclay is, like, dust, pretty time, at some point soon. Now, you know, this is an important pro-scouting thing, like, you know, as they're evaluating him and projecting that he still has this left in his body. Like, there is every reason to think that if you could take Sequin Barclay out of this terrible offensive situation that he was in in the beginning of his career and put him into the Eagles offense, he would be electric and would totally change what they do on offense. but hoping that that is still who he is over the next two seasons. It's a bit of a wish cast. And like I get why they did it. I totally see how they talk themselves into it.

But I think just from a clear-headed standpoint, like, and I think this is not a surprise to them. Like they know these numbers. They understand that there's a chance that this could totally backfire. I just think it is unlikely that he is going to like live up to this contract, not even from like a, the money doesn't, materially affect what they can do. I just think it's going to be a reach for him to

to be to be. I have a lot of thoughts on this. I just want to interject real quick. There's some news here. Oh, let's hear right. So I'm sorry because it's a good point. No, please. This is according to Adam Kaplan, who's reporting for PFN 365 on this.

The Eagles are bringing back Braden Man on a two-year, $4.2 million-dollar deal. I couldn't interject with that. I mean, I think that could have waited for the conversation. A pause in the conversation. This is a free agent frenzy. I wanted to just, okay, we don't need to talk about Braden Man right now.

I just wanted to bring that up, so we're not oblivious to the news. That's all. I think you. Okay. I think it could have said, oh, by the way, the Eagles rescinded Braden, we'll get to that in a second, and then continue the conversation. Okay, so back to the Sequin thing. You're absolutely right. And this is something that, look, I want people to subscribe to the diehardt to read our grades.

But something I wrote is I don't object to paying four running backs, but I, I want to pay for year 40 or year six rather than year 70 or year eight or year seven to your nine, right? And that's that's my concern with this. I really like the player. I really like the fit. But I like the player based on what he's done. And the Eagles are paying four past performance here. And you look since he came into the league, he's one of the top seven in the league in touches.

And the six guys ahead of him, some of them you don't want like playing anymore or are not featured. backs anymore, including guys like Dalvin Cook, for instance, right? So running back to position where that cliff comes at you pretty quickly. And when you fall off that cliff, it's often not gradual. It's often you fall right down, right? And so the Eagles are racing against a workload curve here. And if they're going into this clear ride and they're saying that if they can get a year or two. Probably, I mean, they're hoping for two based on the structure. But if they can get a really strong year where he's Christian McCaffrey-esque, where he's

one of the best player or he's one of the best running backs in the league and they can make a big run this year, then that'll be worth it. I also think they probably looked at it like the delta between what running backs are being paid and what they're paying Berkeley. As was it Diana Rusini who said that the Eagles made an offer to DeAndre Swift? Or I, they gave, there was something. Yeah. Yeah.

So that Eagles were. Made on effort. Yeah. Or Jeremy Fowler, maybe. But the Eagles were in. So they had to have a sense of what Swift was going to get paid. So Swift is at $8 million a year. And you see these running backs making $8 million a year.

And if they're saying like, all right, if you pay $3, $4 million more per year for Barkley, it's, I thought the whole running back market was going to be depressed. And I thought you'd be able to sign. a starting guy for $5 million. That hasn't been the case so far, right? So that's where I look at this and I say, I think the Eagles paid too much for a running back going into year seven. I will say that.

I think they are paying four past performance. But I also think that if you're, if you want to get like a top half of the league running back, much less top of the league running back, the top half of the league running back, you're paying $8 plus million a year as opposed to $4 to $5 million, and that might have factored it. So this is a roundabout way of saying,

if you're going to pay eight for Swift, maybe you pay $12 for Berkeley. Sure. I get the reasoning behind it all. I think it makes sense. We've talked about why I think that they did need to prioritize the offense. I just think like there is a,

there is a real chance that he's not going to be who he has looked like even over the past couple seasons. And that'll be a major blow for the Eagles, right? Because they are, what they're acquiring here is someone who steps in and is one of the three best running backs in the league from day one. And into probably day 600, right? Because you want to have two years of this. Well, if you are a big Derek Henry fan, speaking of running backs, and you want to watch him play, He's going to Baltimore. Hmm.

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And you're available. You can join the members-only Discord. which we call the PHLY Lounge, where you can talk to Bo and you can talk to other members of the PHY. Tennessee, you maybe take a button off that. You can talk to the other PHY staff. So head over to all-PHLY.com and join the best sports fans in the city. Last thing on Sequin, obviously, like his ability as a receiver,

is a dynamic here. Nick Siriani's offense has not really made a lot out of that over the past couple. Even though they keep talking about it, yeah. Even though they keep talking about it, you know, Kellen Moore has had some success, you know, with Tony Pollard as a receiver out of the backfield. It's one way in which you can convince yourself at least that, you know, there is a little bit more upside here. Yeah, since he came into the league, he has five catches of 50 plus yards. No other running back has more than three.

So it shows you the explosive ability that he has. All right. Last thing, unless some other news breaks. Well, do you want to talk about Britain Man? The Eagles found him. I mean, they got a punter. They, like, after all the hemming and hawing over Aaron Sipas and whatever that other guy's name was. From the Super Bowl year after Sipas got hurt.

Oh, you know. What was his name? You know, from Buffalo. I can't remember his name. Think hard on it. I can't remember his name. I am blanking right now. I'll let you think hard on it.

You won't just say it? Why can't you say it? No, I'll let you think hard on it. Why can't you say it? I'm drowning here. Throw me a life raft. The names is skipping me as well. Well, what's his foot?

Brett Kern, Brett Kern. That's that. That's right. You know, we're the puntolytics guys when you need it. Sorry, Brett Kern. Yeah. Brandon Mann stepped in and did a very good job last year.

They did a good job. Yeah, they executed good fake with him. He had good... Oh, yeah, what a good throw that was. He had good... That wasn't the Dallas game. He had good chemistry with Jake Elliott and former traffic by the Jets. So, yeah.

And where did we have him in Flew World Order? I expected him to come back. Well, we both did, but I think we had him near the top. Brian Burns. Yes. You talked about it a little bit last night when we were reacting to Zach Bond, but the return for Brian Burns, probably not a good sign for what the Eagles should expect.

in return for Josh Sweat and or Hassan Reddick, it makes me wonder if the Eagles will prioritize getting a player back as part of a package for those guys. But as you think about what the Eagles could have done, would you rather have Brian Burns than Sequin Barclay and Bryce off? Well, two things here. I did some digging on this last night, like sending, I sent some messages out to find out about that comp package.

and one obstacle, maybe this is an excuse, is that the market was limited to teams who were going to pay, who Brian Burns was going to really sign for. No one was going to trade for him unless he was going to sign an extension, and he wanted $30 million a year. So it was a matter of getting the number that he wanted and then working the comp out thereafter. So it's a different marketplace than it would be

if you have a player under contract and you're just kind of trading. him. Now, Sweeter Reddick would require a contract extension, but you still have a year for that, right? It's a different situation than trading for a guy who's on the franchise tag, who doesn't have to sign that tag, right? Like, he's technically not binded to you right now, and wants 30 million a year. This is the contract he's been seeking. Now, that said, yeah, I thought Brian Burns was going to go for first-round pick. If I were Hallie Roseman, and I wrote this, I would have traded number 22 for Brian Burns. Would I have given him 30 million? I would have gone like 28. Now, if you're at 28, maybe you just push 30. But I think Brian Burns is a, is like a special player in the sense that

they traded for Jason Peters. They traded for AJ Brown. That's kind of the way I see Brian Burns. That's the way I see Patrick Sartan, by the way, if the Eagles do that. Or if they're prompted to do that. But that's kind of my position is that, yeah, I would have rather Brian Burns than Josh Huff. Oh, I'm sorry. Then, then Bryce. Then Bryce. Then Bryce Huff and Sequin Barkley. But would I rather Brian Burns? What about Matt Barkley? Would I rather Brian Burns than Sequin, Berkeley, Bryce Huff, and the number 22 overall pick? That's where it gets complicated. I think Brian Burns is one of the best edge rushers in the NFL. And I would have done it, but I don't know how. It's something I'll try to find out more if that's something that the Eagles

reaving and talks with him on. I think I would rather, I think I would rather have Huff Plus. Huff Plus, okay. Now, I don't know that I would have done Sequin, but I think that is the bet that I would have made. I really like Bryce Huff, and I know that that is not the most popular thing, but I like Bryce Huff a lot. Oh, yeah. This is why I thought that Eagles were going to go after him. This is the type of player. I like to sign in free agency, and it's kind of, I think you portrayed it well. It's the opposite of the Sequant-Barkley thing. Like, you're paying for the player you think he can become, not the player that he is. And

the best signings that the Eagles have made under Howie Roseman is when they've paid for the player that he could become. Like, In a certain respect... Like Nick Sariani, we're excited for the coach that you can become. Yeah, look, I don't mean to be crapping on Sequin because I... You have a picture for that. I like the player, like the fit, as I keep saying. But there is a bit of nomadi to this here, right?

Yeah. And you keep saying, like, man, this guy's so talented and he's been in this, and he's been like with bad personnel around him, just wait until he comes here. And it's going to, like, bring him to a different tier. but you paid for a guy who was already the best corner in the league or had that reputation. How does he reach that level? Like you're counting on an A player becoming like an A plus player or staying at an A player. And that's not always promised.

Irv Smith, Zach, going to the Kansas City Chiefs. I know you're excited about that. Former second round pick. And Connor Hughes, who's been having a very good. Yeah. Shout out to Connor. so far says the Jets are signing Lecky Foto.

Okay, yeah, from Utah. You've been breaking all kinds of interior offensive linemen news. Where do you think Michael Dunn's going to end up? I know the sickos want to know. I bet he's got some suitors. He's got coaches all over the place. Yeah.

I hope he's playing them against each other. Yeah, I don't know how to quite answer this. I just hope he gets paid. That's all I hope. I don't know how to quite answer this question, right? So. Well, I'm not expecting. I'm not asking you to break news.

I'm just saying that's the thing that I care about the most in free agency. Yeah, so I'm going to follow your lead on this one. Oftentimes I like to kind of speak first, but I'm going to follow your lead on this one. I don't have. I just, I'm, so where do I think he's going to end up? I hope.

I just hope he gets paid. Yeah, a place that pays him well. The place that values him. That pays him well. That's going to play him. That's going to treat him like the offensive linemen that he is. And that's a great place to raise a daughter as well. Like a good food city would be nice.

Yeah, that'd be nice. Pay him, play him, slay him. Slay him. I don't know what that. No, no, I want to use the sleigh part. Pay him, pay him, pay him, feed him. I mean, we need a rhyme. Pay, play, stay.

Stay him, I don't know. Doesn't work. Yeah, I definitely wouldn't, I would not use sleigh. How about lay? Pay him, play him, and lay him. I think it's a little too close to slay. Yeah, just a place that that value Michael Dunn and the Dunn family.

Can you bay him, like make him bay? Does that work? I don't think so. Can that work as a verb? It doesn't have to rhyme either. But once the first two rhyme, you got to get it. You can't abandon the rhyme on the third one. This isn't seventh grade making like a rhyming couplet here.

You can just use your... Yeah, but if you're starting with pay and play, you need a third. Or you can just go with the alliteration. You can just say with the P's instead of the rhymes. And where would you go there? Pay, play, provide. Oh, that's terrible. I'm focused on free agency here.

I'm not thinking about the rhymes. Let's go to rhyme zone. Is this his website? Wow, okay. Sway? Pay, play, and sway him? Yeah, sway him to stay. Yeah?

Pay, play, sway to stay. Yeah. Sway him, pay him, and play him. There you go. Yes. I still feel like. like we're leaving it out there. And treat Marissa and Madison. I feel like we got the best one. Yeah. Actually, you know what I want to do is I want to go to the NFLPA survey, find the place that has the best family rooms. And that's the team that I want to sign him.

How about gray him? Like, meaning you pay him until he gets old. Like, okay. Pay him, play him and gray him. But that can also be interpreted as you're, you're driving him nuts, like you're making him gray, you know? That's true. Yeah, like that's a dad joke where he say, I didn't have these hairs before I had kids. Yeah. Yeah. That's, yeah, you should have seen me. Because the thing that people need to take into account is like time always does that, right? This is like, this is a shout out to Deepop Daniel Gallen.

This is a pet peeve of his, like any time that there's like, oh my God, can you believe Fred Taylor's kid is in high school now or Colleen? And he's like, yeah, that's how time works. That's how time works. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Okay. All right. Zach, you got like three minutes.

left to get whatever off your chest you'd like to get off. Including that shirt if you want. No, my shirt's, the shirt is staying on. I was actually, I was self-conscious about my best choice today. Oh, it'll be self-conscious. I had it on in there.

I'm just going basic black for now on, so. I like this shirt. Oh, thank you. It's nice to you say. It's a good shirt. Thank you. Yeah. Looks like a nice, nice warm material too.

Good color. You like the color? Oh, thanks. I do like the color. I appreciate that, but I like your shirt. You can get that, by the way, on all pH, Y, dot com and the page i would say that you've won the fashion off today but i'm just more of a company man fair that that's the first time that sentence has ever been uttered by the way that you're more of

the company man than me that's true um no so in in in all seriousness here uh you know i i was seeing some of these tweets this morning like like oh it's day two you know are things gonna are things gonna pick up free agency was literally 24 hours into it the league year hasn't started. A lot is going to happen here. I would expect some trades. I would expect a safety linebacker edition. You saw the wide receiver market start to pick up. Noah Brown, your boy staying in Houston, darnal Mooney, going to Atlanta. I hear the Patriots are in on Calvin Ridley. My boy Noah Brown resigned with the Texans last night. Yeah, I literally just said that. Oh, sorry. Yeah, thanks for listening. I was seeing if there was a new thing.

Okay, yeah. So I don't expect Eagles to be major players in the wide receiver. Oh, sway them. Sway and pay them and play them. That's perfect. Didn't we say that? I think you said lay and sleigh. I thought we used sway.

No? Oh, yeah. Okay. All right. Sorry, yes. Noah Brown resigned with the Texans. Do you see that? That was a good fake laugh.

Thank you. I work on that when I work with you. I think this has been a great episode. No, so I think Zach's been on fire today. It's because he knows he's fitting four hours into one hour. I do want to emphasize this as well. We are dynamic, you know, we have this noon slot, which is great. We love the people who watch us at noon.

During free agency in particular, we're dynamic in the sense that the Eagles make a move. We're jumping on on that cam. We will do 10, 10, 15. You know, see, when Julia reacts to the thing that I'm trying not to react to, you know it's a good one. I was going to say the actual, like, streaming service that we go on. Right. But I didn't know if we're supposed to say that. Yeah, if the Eagles make a big trade this afternoon, check out Zach on Chatterbate.

What? What? I don't know what you're used. just said. Anyways, we will be on YouTube talking about the latest move. We will give you 10, 15, 20. The other day, we did 30 minutes, okay? And we can do multiple episodes today.

Like, we can, you know, if they sign a safety, jump on for 10 minutes. Sign a linebacker, jump on for 15. Trade sweat, jump on for 25. Right? So anyways, even though we're not going. straight through the day. When you go to our page, you can see all our instant reaction

up there. And then also we're going to have grades each day on all-P-H-L-Y.com. I love when we do that. Those are fun. Landed Dickerson, we're going to hear from him. We really didn't get much into Land of Dickerson yesterday. We can get into that more in tomorrow's show. We'll actually have his comments today. So a lot is going on

and the place to find everything is Bo underscore Wolf at Z-Burm all p-h-l-y.com and our YouTube feed. I got to tell you something. Yes. The way that you powered through that just now and delivered that,

what a pro. I didn't even know what you were talking about. That was fantastic. I didn't even know what you were talking about. Great job. Thank you. Thank you. What a professional.

That was fantastic. I assume you brought up something that is inappropriate that is something that by the way I do have one of your minions the other day

brought up made some reference to something on the show and I I think it might have been kill a cow but it might not have been and I googled what it was bad idea

to Google what it was if you kill Kill time. Let me see if it was kill a cow. Hold on. I don't know. I'm just waiting to see what I was. All right. You keep talking for a bit. All right. So, Les, as Zach said, we've got all the stuff on PHOI. Obviously, we will let you know if there is news afoot that we can react to. We're going to be just hanging around over the course of the next 48 hours waiting for news.

if there is nothing between now and then, we will be live tomorrow at noon once again. Although, are we doing 4 o'clock tomorrow? Just because it's the league year, or are we going to go live at noon? We're sticking to noon, right? Yes, I believe so. We're sticking to noon.

So, lots to talk about. Oh, man, that was a good laugh. I got head over to Nova Care, but... Yep. Why don't you just tell me what the thing was that you do? I'm trying to find it. I can't find it here. I'm looking for it.

But there's something that I can look at my Google search. history and that would probably show it. That's a dangerous. There's nothing dangerous about my Google search history. I promise to you that. All right. I will text it to you, but I do need to head over to Novicarre. All right.

Thanks for watching. When you text it to me, we'll go live again and I'll just tell everybody what it is and that'll be a 60-second episode. That'll do it for this episode of the P.H.O.Y. Eagles podcast. Great stuff from Zach today. Matt Hennessey coming home to Philadelphia where he applied his trade just up that way. Yeah, on North Broad Street.

On North Broad. We will be back if news warrants. Otherwise, we'll talk to you tomorrow at noon. That'll do it for today's episode. Thanks to Chris and Julia. We will talk to you later. And as always, we love you.