PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | Philadelphia Eagles free agency extravaganza: Part 2 ... Saquon Barkley!

Episode Date: March 11, 2024

The free agency frenzy continues into hours three, four and five as the Eagles make an atypical investment at running back, bringing in ex-Giants RB Saquon Barkley on a monster deal. Zach Berman and Bo Wulf explain why they can see the upside of Barkley changing their ceiling on offense and decide just how long the show can go. Grab your peanut butter, jelly and honey and get comfortable. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody. We are back on PHOY Eagles' Free Agency extravaganza. Bo Wolf, Zach Berman, we have restarted the stream. Let us know if it's working well. A little bit unfortunate, as the Eagles have become the team to watch now after having signed Bryce Huff. Zach, how you doing? Well, in my house, we have a joke.

Ralph breaks the Internet, right? Bryce Huff broke the Internet. Wait, what breaks the Internet in your house? Ralph. It's a movie. Ralph breaks the Internet. Oh, okay. Yeah. Reckett Ralph? Is that the...

No, so Bryce Huff broke the internet, but Bryce Huff is back here. And I should say we're back, and Bryce Huff's going to be here for the next few years. The Eagles would hope potentially longer. Huge move for the Eagles. The type of move that we've been curious about here for the past few weeks, and the type of move that really fits Hallie Roseman, right? When you talk about where he spends money, edge rushers at that spot. And we said all along that he would not leave edge.

rusher bear. This allows them to make a move with one of their top guys. There is projection. This is not, this is not like signing Brian Burns, right? I mean, this is, it's not even like signing Hassan Redick two years ago, even though Hassan Reddick was coming off of two double-digit sack seasons when he hadn't quite had the role that the Eagles had him in. But this is, this is what the Eagles look for. They look for someone who you would imagine is, is, is has the chance to be a better player in the second contract than the first contract. And Huff certainly fits that profile. Now, Mike G., I believe, is the first to report that Mike Kirk Cousins is going to the Atlanta Falcons.

So good job by Mike G. He's on fire today. Yes. Bryce Huff, here is the long and the short of it. This is a pass rushing specialist who has excelled in a rotational role and the Eagles are betting. that he can be even better with more snaps. How good has he been? If you're just looking at, you know, quarterback hits. So quarterback hits and sacks divided by pass rush snaps.

Okay, so pressure is subjective. It's not a real thing, as we have talked about, right? So this is like, are you hitting the quarterback? Over the past two seasons combined, guys who have had at least 400 pass rush snaps, according to true media. Now, that is doing a little. little bit of work because Bryce Huff has only taken 479 of those snaps over the past two years,

whereas the other people in this group are going to be a little bit higher. But number one in terms of quarterback hit rate is Nick Bosa. Number two is Matt Judon. Number three is Bryce Huff. And then Trey Hendrickson and then Michael Parsons and then Josh Allen and then Rashon Gary and then T.J. Watt and then Miles Garrett. Like that is the efficiency that he is swimming in. And if you are thinking even if that drops to, you know, he's at 7%, if that drops to 6% over increased volume, he's still an elite pass rusher.

They're betting on that. But it seems to me like a reasonable bet to make, especially if you are probably trading one of Josh Sweat or Hassan Reddick and expecting to. to get back, you know, a second-run pick or something in that area. It's interesting. Now, I wonder if we're going to get, like, reports that, you know, the Eagles love pass rushers. They could conceivably keep all three.

Yeah. It feels like a little bit of a stretch given all the other needs that they have to fill. Sure. But this is a potentially ascending player at the position they care about the most on defense. Investment-wise, it makes sense. Yes. And again, you're trusting your evaluation. That said, they've been pretty good at free agent evaluations under Howie,

especially with their big – I mean, we have talked about this. Like, say what you will about – The draft, because the draft is a crapshoot. Their track record of free agent signings, like when they are really investing in people, is outstanding. And it is a – like, free agency is typically, like, does not return that level of return on investment. and like the guys that they go out and sign usually work out pretty well.

Yeah, exactly. And so you look at that and you say, like from the scheme, we're still waiting on the Fangio scheme, but he's the type of body type that you think would make sense here. And again, there's, you know, when we've seen it with our eyes, right, we saw the Eagles scheme. So I'm dominating Andre Dillard at joint practice. We saw the Eagles game this year when he had a sack and a half, right? He had a pressure rate of near 30% in that game.

So he wrecked havoc there. And it's also, it's not as if he's just having sacks in these blowouts. See, I'm looking at the numbers here on Juncture Media. The Dolphins game this year, he had a sack. They lost that game. He had a sack and a half against the Chargers. They lost that game. And so why do I point that out?

I mean, typically, and we've seen this in some Eagles games in the past, you can get numbers when your team's up by double digits in the fourth quarter and the other team's passing. When you're getting sacks in games without obvious, like passing opportunities, that jumps out. And then you mentioned the advanced numbers, like stuff like pressure rate, you know, you see some of these games, the Kansas City game this year. He had a 43% pressure rate in that game, right? Now, I know pressure can be a subjective stat, right? It's not an official stat. It's a pro football focus stat. But that stands out, too.

And over, like, there's a reason why there was a market for him. I don't think the Jets handled this particularly well, but you also say, why is he available? Well, the Jets have, like Jermaine Johnson is an emerging, you know, there's a reason why he wasn't starting for the Jets. And they used the first time. Well, McDonald last year. Exactly. So that's why he's hitting the market here. Again, there is a projection.

It's not like you're signing. You're not spending $17.5 million for someone who's done this for the past three years. But the upside is there. I think the fit is there. And if you said to me in a vacuum, would you rather have Hassan Reddick or Josh Sweat or Bryce Huff? I would take Assan Retic or Josh Swet. But if you said, would you rather have Bryce Huff and a second round pick, I would rather have Bryce Huff in a second round pick. And an extra $5 million.

Exactly. You know, if I can, like, spin a little bit of a yarn of, like, really selling this if I was trying to. And going back to, like, when I saw him at the shrine game, last shrine game I got to attend. I like that. There were two players who, well, three players actually, who, like, really stood out to me, if I remember it correctly. And maybe this is, you know, my memory playing tricks on me. One was Kevin Dotson. One was Michael Walker, the linebacker, went to the Falcons.

President of State. But the other one was Bryce Huff, and I swear that, like, and this, you could read it, the thing that jumped out to me was like, wow, he looks a lot like Brandon Graham. He wore number 55 at. And like the way that he moves, the body type. And like the book, like, he is not good against the run, right? In the NFL.

He is, he gets washed out and maybe he goes after the quarterback a little bit too much. If you're like really trying to be romantic about this, and it's like he gets a year with Brandon Graham to learn how to play the run a little bit better that's kind of nice but like I just maybe maybe it's because I like the player but like I am in on this

signing from Neagle's perspective especially expecting that something else is coming down the pike with one of those other two guys. Yeah and it was a good question from a viewer in our first version of this which was would they sign Huff before

making one of those trades. And you said, you think that they probably have an idea of what it would be, and you can't wait for a... Right. I think you know what the offers are. Sure. Sure. So, yeah, so are you expecting something fairly imminent there, or would you imagine that this gets kind of sorted out? Or this takes time and the market kind of settles, and then they make a trade? Good question. I feel like we're probably going to find out today. Yeah. Don't you? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, I would think so, too. unless a team's waiting, you know, waiting to sign somebody else. But there's nobody else left to sign.

I mean, you know, you signed DeNeil Hunter. Sure. Yeah, I mean, Washington. You can trade for Brian Burns. Like, that's it. I guess you could sign Chase Young. Yeah. If you really like Chase Young.

And then after that, you're talking about, like, Josh Uchay and Andrew Van Ginkl and Zadarius Smith and those guys. Like, there's nobody else at that level. So, yeah, I would imagine, you know, the Eagles knew going into, trying to sign Bryce Huff what their likely trade eventuality was going to be. Sure. And, you know, it's always interesting, too. You know, I follow Jets reporters. And when the other team's reporters are like, oh, man, hey,

this is a huge loss for the team, or the team screwed up the situation. And that's what you see with the Jets thing, that they had a chance to lock him up at an earlier time. They didn't do it. Rich Sommini from ESPN says they passed up on trade opportunities last season. That, that, yeah, I think it makes, it's a move that makes a lot of sense for the Eagles.

And it makes sense, given an overall plan that they have as, as well. How about that? Fresh graphic. Yeah, I like that. Appreciate that. Jayland's sliding in. I did. When the Huff News came out, there was one other thing that came out with that we should just mention in conjunction.

Yeah. And that's Josh Jacobs. It looks like he's going to the Packers, according to Tom Pell Serro is where I saw it. So that means that a, I think. third running back, a third starting running back signed. Saquan Barkley still on the market. One fewer seat. We'll see what the Josh Jacobs' money is.

But Josh Jacobs, of the guys who signed, Powered and Jacobs are the ones that you would consider most comparable to, probably Jacobs is the one most comparable to Saquant. Jacobs led the league in rushing two years ago, right? Yeah. So, yeah, so we will, you know, both of them were tagged last year. We talked about how this was like two classes in one because of those players. who were tagged.

So we'll see what shakes out with Barkley. I always felt there was the, I always felt the huff, the huff smoke made sense because it just, careful not to huff the smoke. Yeah, that's true. It's bad for your lungs. Yeah.

It just made, because it, look, I understand people can evolve, people can change. Like, just because Howie did something three years ago or five years ago or eight years ago or ten years ago doesn't mean that's always how he's going to do it. but Hallie Roseman always values edge rushers. He's shown what he's, they pay for edge rushers, they pay for corners, right? They haven't paid for running backs in the past.

So that's why we kept talking about, we kept talking about Bryce Huff for that reason. It's just a move that makes sense for the Eagles. And I don't want to be anchored to my thoughts before this. But I said last week, if they trade one of these guys, they bring in Huff, like I did my, if I were Hallie Roseman, and I said, what I would do is, I would go after Brian Burns first, right? But if you can't get Burns and you take that swing, the next thing I would do is go after Bryce Huff.

Which for you? I mean, undrafted guy. You really come around. Yeah, I like the player and I like the profile. And I just thought it makes sense for the Eagles. Yeah, and in the calculation of not only are you probably getting a pick, but you are also getting younger. Like Bryce Huff is 25 right now.

26 in April. So, you know, if it is, if it's reddick, or even if it's sweat, you're getting, you're getting the pick back and you're getting a little bit younger on defense, and you're able to use whatever that pick is, and you have a little bit of extra money. Some of that is a little bit feels like fantasy football or like, you know, it's like a Madden franchise and it's a little bit impersonal. And there are more, like locker room dynamics involved here. When you're bringing guys in, you don't necessarily know how everybody's going to fit. on paper, I think it's interesting. I think it fits with what we know that Howie Roseman values.

I would also say that if it is, like, if you're trading sweat, all of a sudden you're very small. True. You probably do need to add somebody who can be like a base end, and maybe that turns out to just be Milton Williams. You play him there or you sign somebody, but that's just a thing to keep in mind. Yeah, Huff and Nolan Smith, you'd be in. Hassan Rick, you'd be small there.

I agree now. One thing Albert Breer from Sports Illustrated says is question is whether Huff's production stands up without New York's Quentin Williams-Williams-led front around him. Quinn and Williams is an all-pro, right? Right. The Eagles are hoping, hoping that Jalen Carter can become that player. And so we'll see. Right.

I mean, if the Eagles, if Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis and Milton Williams can't provide a facsimile of that, than they have whipped on those picks. Good pronunciation. Thanks. Now, let me ask you this. Do you think we said that we didn't think that they would trade both? Yeah. Now that you have Huff in the building,

do you think there's a chance they trade both? And you rock with Huff and Nolan Smith and then, you know, Zadaria Smith or somebody like that? No, I'm looking. I keep saying this all the time. I respect the heck out, Jeff McLean. I worked with him for seven years when he reports that the Eagles would consider trading both. I mean, he's, yeah, I, I believe that. I just don't think the Eagles are going to do that. I could be wrong. I think the Eagles keep one and trade the other. And I think, but, yeah,

I think they'd be too bare there. The only way that, that I think they would trade both is if, like, you're getting Brian Burns, right? Or something of that nature. I mean, I feel like if their price was met on both, then they would, they would trade both. Okay. Like. Yeah. I mean, at that point, I would just let Sweat play the last year of his deal here. Like I would trade Reddick. Now, again, I don't know what they're getting for, Reddick. But I would let Sweat play last year of his deal, see how he does. But yeah, that's the way I would go.

Yeah, I don't know. Now, I do, like the, and this is a good conversation we've had about the difference between, like, when Jeff reports something, it's not his opinion. It's what he's hearing. Yeah. what's in that report about how, like, they were really unhappy with those two particular down the stretch. If that is a true thing in the building, that, you know, strikes me as very silly.

Very silly. Like, as silly as it gets. Yes. But, I mean, there's a reason that that was the question I asked Howie Roseman at the press conference. Like, they got, they had so much investment in that defensive line, and they got so little return on that investment, especially down the stretch.

Like, did that change the way they, they thought about things, what was their explanation for that, and if it really came down to, like, those guys didn't do a good job, and they can get good value for them, then, yeah, I don't think it's crazy to think that they could. Like, if you, you know, you do that, and you sign AJ Epinessa, who's going to be 25 in September, and he can play the run a little bit better.

Doesn't have much pass rush juice, but yeah. He's an improving pass rush. Okay. I trust Joe Biscalia to be a reliable narrator there. And you're getting, like, all of a sudden, now you've got four second round pick, and you're probably going to, you know, maybe you trade one for a future or you move up or maybe you package that for Patrick Sartan.

Like that is sort of the crazy like Madden GM stuff that you can see how I was been trying to do. Sure, sure. It's not what I think they'll do, but yeah, I wouldn't dismiss it. If you're talking about the Redic and Sweat market, which what you also have to think about now is that like if you're a team that needs an edge rusher, keep bringing up Arizona. I probably shouldn't keep picking on Arizona, but where are you going to get that edge rusher right now? Like the market, you know, look, Huff and Jonathan Granard are off it. I know the No Hunter is still on there, but it's not a great draft for edge rushers, right?

We've talked about Dallas Turner. Latu has some good hype behind him. Shop Robinson tested well, but there are years when you're talking about like six or seven edge rushers in the first round. That's not the case this year. So I think that there should be a decent market. There should be a decent market for these guys. Now, again, it's not just the trade, but it's also the pick you would get to. Wow.

Sequon. Sequin to the Eagles? A three-year, $37.75 million deal, according to Adam Schaefter. Okay, I was wrong. So what's that? that's under, but it's like 12.7 a year. The Eagles are adding Saquan Barclay. So this is interesting because it is the rare case

where these stuff that was hinted at beforehand actually came true. And a good, and thank God we're still alive. So for those of you who weren't here in the beginning, this is what I think the case is for Saquan Barkley as an eagle. I think he changes their ceiling on offense more than anybody else who was available. And by that, I mean, they're sealing as a team more than anybody who was available. I think they view him as capable of doing to the offense what Christian McCaffrey did to the San Francisco 49ers offense.

He has been in such a terrible offensive situation throughout his career in New York with bad quarterback play. mediocre offensive line play and like bad weaponry on the outside to the extent that like all of the defensive attention was placed on him you put him now in a backfield next to jalen hertz where defenses have to account for him as a runner and with a jay brown and devante smith and in theory what should still be a very good offensive line that is a chance for him to like dominate and And when he gets in the open field, he can beat guys, like, you know, to the end zone. I see it. I think that it's certainly a lot of money to pay for a running back,

and that is not what Howard Roseman has done in the past. Yeah. But I think that it makes more sense to overpay for the best guy on the market than it does to overpay for the eighth best guy on the market. And I told you all along, Zach, that I did not believe the Eagles when they were saying that there wasn't much work to do on offense. This is an offense that finished, you know, 10th in EPA per drive or so last year, 10th in offensive DVOA. And given the investment in the offense and the organizational understanding that offense matters most, that was not good enough. and I didn't think that just changing the coordinator

was going to be enough in their mind to change the ceiling there. And so I get it. I wince a little bit, given a running back that much money, and it's funny that, you know, as we talked about the possibility that they were going to spend so much money on guard and running back, but I get it,

and it's certainly going to make them a lot more fun to watch. Yeah. Wow. Well, so big move. Here's where I stand on this. And I said this earlier in the show. I don't object to paying A player's A money. And I think he's an A player at his position.

Okay? That was my position on Saquan Barclay. It surprises me based on I didn't think the Eagles would set the market at running back. I was wrong. The deal here, according to Adam Schaefter, like you said, 37.75 million. It could be worth up to 46.75. but what you need to monitor is $26 million fully guaranteed. Okay?

So you're basically, and you have to think that two years. So it's probably structured like a two-year deal. Yeah, structured like a two-year deal of $13 million a year. I did not think the Eagles would pay $13 million a year for a running back. I thought they would allocate that cap space elsewhere. I thought that reading the market, they would try to get a discount there. This is different than I anticipated, for sure. But, like I said, I don't.

don't like when you pay B players A money. I think that's the biggest issue or that's a bigger issue. I don't have a problem with paying A players a money. You're talking about a player when he's coming out of Penn State was considered a generational or I shouldn't say generational. That's overused. But like an elite elite elite running back. He's had early career production that mirrors that. He's dealt with injury. There's no question about that. But when he's on his game, he is rare. the New York Giants made the playoffs last year on the back of Sequan Barclay. Sequan Barclay got Daniel Jones paid basically, right? Like, Sequan Parkley was that offense. The Eagles have seen it time and time again, what he can do.

And yeah, like you said, you put him behind the best offensive line he's ever played in front of, or behind, I should say, with the best skill players he's ever had, with the best quarterback he's ever had. And you see what running backs did in this offense that Kellan Moore has run in the past.

I get it. I would not I did not think the Eagles would do it, but I'm not going to criticize them for paying an A player A money. They just need them to stay healthy and they need that age curve to work in their favor. Let us know what you guys think in the chat. Seems like people are excited. This will sound obvious, but I think this is the move that

they only thought became a possibility when the cap jumped more than they expected. Like, I think if the cap had remained where they thought it was going to, they would still have done the Bryce Huff deal, and the cap spike led to them thinking this was a possibility.

I think this is a result of that. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. It certainly is plausible. That's the case. Yeah, I mean, I could see it. Diana Rossini just said the Eagles aren't done. I'm curious what's the next shoe, the fall gear. But, yeah, I mean, this is, yeah, like, I get it.

I absolutely, I get it. It surprises me that they went this far. But, I mean, I saw someone say, like, DeMarco Murray. DeMarco Murray was not under Howley. Remember that. Howley was on the other side of the building that year. This is the biggest investment howie's made. to inner running back since Lashon McCoy.

And so, yeah, he's breaking form here, but if you think he's an A player, you pay A player A money. And like you said, they entered today with the 10th-month cap, the 10th most cap space in the league, according to over-the-capped.com. And depending how they structure it, with voyeurs, they still can be flexible.

but they're trying to maximize this window they have now. We've talked about, look, I don't want to get ahead of ourselves. We talk about what's going to happen when you pay Devante and what's going to change with the offense. The Eagles have a window next year, at least with Devante, with AJ, with Sequin, with Dallas Goddard's. This might be Dallas Goddard's last year, right? You still have Elaine Johnson.

Like, the Eagles are going forward as they should. Interesting. You know what? We made this joke last week when we were talking about the Seekone possibility. Yeah. Poor Miles Sanders. Yes. Yes.

I mean, he watches as the Eagles finally pay a guy, and it's the guy who he had to wait to play behind, and he is like always, he just will never escape the shadow of Saquan Barclay. That's too bad for him. Yeah. What's been your read on the player, like when you've watched him with the Giants? Yeah, I mean, he looks. Now, there have been times when he looked just hurt and less explosive. but he looked to me like a guy who had a chance to be a superstar

if he could ever get out of a terrible situation. Yeah. Like just never had space and certainly is really fun to watch. I'm curious if we will, you know, one of his superpowers is as a receiver, and we thought that about DeAndre Swift last year, and the Eagles never really utilized that. I think that's part of Kellan Moore's operating order. this year is to make that a bigger part of the offense.

But I just think, like, sometimes you can overcomplicate it. And when you get a guy like this who is as dangerous in the open field as he is with what's going to be around him in the offense, like, yeah, I think there's a chance that he can be the best running back in football next year. Yeah, I mean, you've heard it elsewhere, the Christian McCaffrey effect. That's what the Eagles are hoping for, is that McCaffrey went to San Francisco and he made a good offense even better,

or he made a great offense even better. And when you play with those types of weapons and you play with that type of line, you play in that type of offense and that type of quarterback, it can change a lot of things. Do you think they will immediately follow this up by signing Boston Scott again?

Bring your shot at any back, yeah. Maybe the Giants will sign Boston Scott and they'll think that's a fair trade. True, true. Huh. Wow. I never thought that this was that crazy. No, you were on it.

You were on it, and I didn't think they would do it. You were on it. I never say never, but I said unlikely, and I was wrong there. I feel like this is as big a chance as any to finally take a bite out of this apple. I mean, we've been waiting for, it's almost three hours in. I can finally have a bite of the apple. There you go. Oh, good question.

Good question. I'm going to go jailing. I will go jailing. I will go jailing. What do you think? Who can squat more? Jalen Hertz or Sequin Barclay. What's the chat thing?

Sequin. Okay. Certainly now. Wow. All right. One bite. That's all I got. That's good.

It's a honey crisp. It's a little expensive, but I'll do like Honey Crisp. Adam Schaefter says, Van Ginkle's going to the night. Niners, or to the Vikings. Oh, he is, okay. To the Vikings. I mentioned that earlier, and I thought that the Grenard signing might take them out of it,

but they replaced both Eddruschers. And he gets two years, 20, so he gets $10 million a year, $14 million guaranteed. Interesting. So, yeah, so this is a big-time move. It's a big-time move for the Eagles here. So John Runyon Jr. to the New York Giants. So the Giants are on the board at Guard, and John Runny Jr. can use his jersey license again. Nice.

Yeah. That's good. It's from South Jersey. Yeah. How many players in NFL history do you think have played for a team in the state where one of their parents was a U.S. representative? Hmm. I don't know. That's that.

That feels like the perfect convergence of your interests. Yeah. There's no West Wing episode about that. that? No, there's no West Wing episode about that. Big for the Penn State community here, right? Who on our chat as a Penn State fan? Well, you just saw Tyler leave. Tyler Zoe,

if you're at Ph.L.I. It's a Penn State guy. I'm married to a Penn State alum. She's not a big like, she doesn't follow football, but I can tell her they just sign. Do you think she knows who Sequin is? No, I don't. I will text her actually. Real quick right now. Oh, that's good. This is fun. This is fun.

This is fun. This is fun. Set up. An Argument on the show. I wouldn't call this an argument. Settle a question on the show. I mean, we've had some arguments. I wouldn't call this one. Do you know who Sequan Barclay is? She might be mad at me for including her, but we're on for four hours.

We might as well, right? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Now, you mentioned it, Diana Rossini, tweeting, The Eagles aren't done. If they were going to make another splash today, what could that be? Safety. See, I mean, I got to think safety at this point. or trading.

Adam Kaplan I saw had a little note that the Eagles were involved to some degree in Darnell Savage who signed with the Jacksonville Jackaris. Which actually would have struck me as an interesting fit. We got a super chat from James who says I think they did the Barclay deal

by banking on Huff savings, but I think that they're banking on that one hit wonder literally only six tackles one year ago for a Huff, that is, and bet this deal means moving on from Redick for sure to pay Barclay. Emily says, Giants running back. There you go.

Good job. How do you underestimate? Yeah. Your lovely wife. Yeah, she is lovely. Tell her I had her back. I knew she could do it. Bowhead's your back.

Okay. Yeah. I think if there's another big move to come, I mean, it could be the trade. Yeah. But I don't know. Like, what if they make the corner trade? I mean, that would be a big.

big move for sure. Wait, before we get to that, I just want to ask you, you are one of the, the Bow Wolf takes. I don't know if it's a take is you don't like the NFC East, the intra-division signings. Is it just the Cowboys or is it? No, no, no, no. That is, I have tracked the Eagles' history. The Eagles have not had success with that. So, yeah, so I'm saying.

That's not a take. That's not a take is like something that's just an opinion. Okay, so something that you bring up. Does this seem a little too Demarko-Murray-ish to you, or do you think the circumstances are different? No. I think the circumstances are very different. I think DeMarco-Murray was, like, you could sort of tell he had already gotten the most out of what he had in that system. I think there are also many more miles on him. Now, Sequin has had, like, a lot of work. So that is certainly a concern. But I think if you're translating, like, where, you're. he was to being in this offense.

I think it makes sense. I also think, just frankly, the Giants have been so bad that it's not like there's animosity between the Eagles and Giants, which there was with the Eagles and Cowboys. And, I mean, you even saw that with Bradbury, who was only there for a year. But part of the reason that that stuff sometimes doesn't work, like with the Orlando Scandric thing, is that, like, these are guys who the players in the locker room have viewed as, you know, enemies is too strong of a word. like, you know, enemies to some degree over time.

I don't think that's the case with Sequin. I think it's more like a not even begrudging just to respect it because it's like, wow, that poor guy is like stuck on that terrible team. Yeah, it's not. I've used the example before about, you know, early on in his career, I remember Malcolm Jenkins just being like, man, this guy's special. and Jim Schwartz, the same thing. And then just to kind of build that, he's a local guy. I actually remember talking to someone in the Eagles front office and, like, they invited him to their local pro day. And he was considering coming.

Yeah, they're like, now you don't have to come, but he was like considering coming. He is, yeah, so there is a strong, you know, Philly. I think he had a quote one time that his friends growing up where he's, Eagles fans, right? So, yeah, Sequin back home is, you know, there's, are we assuming he's going to have 26? What's, I guess. Yeah. If he wants it. Yeah. Ryan Dunleavy from the New York Post reporting the, the, the, the cash flow, the structure of the payments is 13.25 in 2024, 11.25 and 2025 and then 13.25 in 2026. Okay. Okay. Does that affect you're thinking of it at all? Not even a little bit.

Not even a little bit. No. Okay. That's just how they've done. And I'm sure there are bonuses and incentives in there as well. So Whitehall PA, the Philly is quite the distance. It's like four hours and 52 minutes. Now what you're going to do next is check your schedule to see when you can make that trip.

You get to Sequin's hometown. So Whitehall Township, yeah. Well, no, I'm sorry. White Hall Township's in Lehigh County. I was looking at the wrong. That's what I thought. He's from Lehigh County. So it's an hour and 14 minutes from here.

So not bad at all. Looking forward to, I've enjoyed talking Sequin in the past. I'm looking forward to speaking him again. Interesting. Good stuff. Do you think we should, should we try to incentivize the other news to come out by continuing the Immaculate Grid game that we were doing right when they signed us off? I'll pull that up.

Michael Parsons says sickening about Sequin Barkley. Michael Parsons said that Oh that's funny Micah Parsons loves being upset about the Eagles getting good players Where were we?

You had Alex Singleton Yes And I was on the board Right And I don't even remember Seeing what was there All right Oh, you still have it

Good job, Julia Thank you She's a pro Of course she's still got All right Eagles Browns But I don't want to give you This side one

I don't want to give you the side one What does that say eight or 10 plus sacks? Oh. Oh, 50 plus sacks career? Yeah. I see. Okay.

Now, do you think will, I don't know if, I don't know how the Deacon Jones's sax work in a pro football reference. That's a tough one. All right, I'm going to go, yeah, I'll go, I'll just go

Clay Matthews top right, please. Oh, it's got to be the recent one. So, 2009 of 2019? Yes. Okay, so I will go with top left here.

And I'm going to go with John Johnson. Good one. Your boy. Yes. That's good. That's a good Zach callback. You've always loved John Johnson. All right, so I got a block with a lion. sack guy.

Do I think that Sue has 50 sacks? Defensive tackle, he must, right? All right. Yeah, I'll go, I'll go Domican Sue, bottom right. I feel like I'm going to lose on percentages in this one, if it's a lock. May I see a spot? NDA.

There you go. Okay, so I got to block you in the middle with an Eagles 50 sack guy, and I'm going to go with, with one of the more underrated players of the last 25 years and someone who I compared Bryce Huff to to tie in the today's show and that's Trent Cole. Bryce Huff's got a long way to go against the run

to be a Trent Cole facsimile, but that's a good one. All right, I've got... Great pronunciation. Eagles Browns. I will go here with the man who owes his career to Joe Banner, and that is Dionne Lewis, D-I-O-N. Although actually, I'm going to go for even lower. I'm going to go for even lower percentage.

I'm going to go Mike Bell. I think Mike Bell, who was traded for Dionne Lewis, will be fewer points. Which one? No, he will, okay. Or, sorry, Jerome Harrison, but. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 2006 to 2010? Okay.

Okay, good job there. So then no one can get Tick-Tac-Tel. Well, you can. Yeah, okay. So I will go with, Rams Broncos and give me, I guess, Von Miller. That's not good one for the numbers here. Broncos Lions.

Broncos Lions. This one might take me some time here. Now, for the audio listeners, tough. Yeah, for the audio listeners, we're giving you four hours. For the audio listeners, we've got, well, You know what? Just pull it up if you want to. We're playing tick-tac-tok-toe.

I need a Broncos Lions to block Zex Tic-Tecto. There's also Browns Lions, which is still on the board. Okay, Broncos Lions. I think I want some Eagles. No. Did Jason Elam go to the Lions after the Broncos? Let's see. How much?

time do I have here? What's, what should be my? Should I start the timer now? Yeah. Bronco, have there any, have there been any moves in the last? Let me pull this up here. I don't wait a show. Since we last spoke, it looks like, oh, here we go, John Rion Jr., we said getting 30 million. Okay. I feel like if you have a Broncos lines, I will let you take it for the win. if you have one. Oh, okay. I wasn't even thinking that, but I will go with,

let's say the time. Let's just call it open now. Open season, whoever says it first gets it. Okay. Broncos Lions. I think it's not fair. And we are on a live show here. I just want to keep, I just want to,

make sure we don't check of... I'm just checking Twitter. Nothing... Okay, we only check of that. All right. For Broncos lines, I'm thinking of backup quarterbacks.

Well, here, I will go with... Well, no. I was about to go with... I got one. Bottom middle. Tatum Bell. Okay, that's a good one. Is that who you were thinking of?

No. I got a long... T-A-T-U-M-B. I was thinking, Teddy Bridgewater. Teddy Bridgewater. Oh, that's a good one. Yeah, it's a good one. That's a good one.

All right, so now you have to get a lion's browns one to stop me from getting Tic-Tac-toe. Lions Browns. Okay. I feel as if this is... What? You get some time to yourself. It's not open season yet. It's only fair.

Yeah. Do you want to fill the time? Sure. Okay. Thank you, because we are doing a live show here. Yeah, but it's also the fourth hour of the live show. I think it's okay. Uh, t-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch.

Let's see, idiot sandwiches. His group chat is choosing to view the value of the Barclay deal as well. That's the same money Gabe Davis got, and we'd rather have this, which probably is not unreasonable. It's interesting. Offensive weapon, right? No. You hate that. Yeah, of course I hate that.

It's a stupid thing. You hate the offensive weapon thing. Kirk Cousins news. More contract news on Kirk Cousins. All right. I feel like now it should be open. I'm going to give you 10 more seconds and then I don't have one right away but 10 nine eight so my daughter Jane hates when I start counting down and she's like it makes her very

angry six five you have one four you can go if you have one two one I do not have one I haven't I've been trying to to give you space here that's okay that's okay I've been I know I did see one in the chat which I will not use that's that that that does I saw I don't Joick Bell, but we cannot take one from the chat. I wasn't going to go with Joyke Bell. But you know what? Actually, you mentioned this before. Jerome Harrison.

Did he play for? Yeah, I think you got. Yeah, Jerome Harrison, now that you say that. Okay, so with Deadlock. Well, now what you've now created is we're going to have to count up the... What was Kirk Cousins' contract, by the way, that people are saying? I think it's $50 million a year. Good for Kirk Cousins.

Wow. Can we zoom in on those numbers? We've got to find out who wins here. or you could just tell me. All right. What are Zach's is? 8%, 72%, 5%

and 2%. And then who just said the last one? Bottom left is Zach also? So 1%. Okay. And mine? 3%. 0.2%.

Nice. And 3% again? Yeah. And 71%. Oh, okay. Okay. The fact that you had five is probably going to give you the win here. 8 plus 72, plus 5, plus 3, 5. You got an average of 17.6, and I have 19.25, a win for you.

Okay. I'm curious what you think about the running back depth chart. So, Keni gain well... Well, I think second wants the backup. So, I'm sorry, Kenny Gainwell is under contract. Yeah. He comes back. Do you think the Eagles draft a running back still? They gave okay money to, you know, the price from San Francisco, hyphenated price.

Ty Davis Price. Yeah, Ty Davis Price from San Francisco, who was the third round pick last year. So do you think this is a spot now where the Eagles are kind of sitting out the running back market in the draft? If there's one that has obvious value, they take it? Do you think they're done? Okay. I think they're, I think they are. Do you think they look to move Gainwell?

I don't know if Gainwell's value, but. Yeah, what's, no, I mean, they still need a guy. Yeah. No, I think they're done here and they will maybe draft a guy, maybe give a guy a nice guarantee after the draft, and if not sign, you know, there will be street running backs available. I think there's, I would be very surprised. And look, we've ample time to discuss this in.

you know, the summer and the preseason. But touches per game, do you think, like, do you think he's used as, the same way he was with the Giants? Do you think he's used more kind of like, powered-ish, you know, a Tony Power-type role?

No, but I think that there is, I think this is probably part of the selling point to Sequin is, like, they're not going to overuse him to the degree that he was in New York. I think they will, and, like, the incentives of having him, for two years makes it different than what they had with Miles Sanders two years ago and what they

had with the Andre Swift this past year where there was no reason for them not to give those guys the ball as much as they wanted. The fact that they're going to want to get like the high level of play from him for at least two seasons would mean that I think they're going to not try to run him into the ground in year one. Yeah, they shouldn't, you know, you're looking at this as a two-year deal. And I think I think that two-year window is a good way to look at it too, right? You You have a two-year window with Lane Johnson, like I said. You have a two-year window with some of this offensive talent. You know nothing lasts forever here.

And, yeah, I think, like, if... Also, Aaron Jones is being released now. Interesting. That the Packers signed, Josh Jacobs. This is consistent with something you've talked about in the past. You said your first reaction after the Super Bowl lost last year was it's all about offense. It's all about offense. and you said the Eagles' quickest way to an elite team is to keep picking up the offense.

And like I said, I think they're going to add a third receiver in the draft, although you can even play Sequan in the slot some, right? No, no. Stop with that. Okay, just because you disagree. Don't say, Jay. You don't be dismissive to it. I am dismissive of that. Okay.

But, yeah, this is kind of how I see what they're doing with their offense. I see Mike in the chat says, I think Seqon, hovering around 15 touches per game is a healthy average. I mean, I would imagine more. I would think like 18 to 20, but I could be wrong there. What do you guys think in the chat? Well, I mean, and this is obviously part of the low conversation about running back value, but like,

you know, just going through it, Sequin, 350 touches in year one, 270 touches approximately in year two, 25 touches in the third year when he got hurt, then 200, 350, 290 last year. right? That's a lot of touches. Yes. He's built for it, just like looking at the guy. He's going to be playing at his 27 season.

Like, history is not kind to running backs with that amount of usage. But then again, you look at like Derek Henry and that's a guy who's held up. I think you don't want to bet on the aberration. But I just, like, if almost any other team was signing Seekwon to this deal, I would think it was probably bad value. I still think it's probably like you're overpaying to get him. But I just think in this specific situation where you have the guy in Vic Fangio who in theory can get the defense to competency, you need to chase ceiling on offense. And you're not going to like, we've talked about like I think they need

another wide receiver, but the personality dynamics are such that you can't really add like a really good third receiver because then AJ Brown and Devante Smith are going to be worrying about their ball, like their touches. It's not going to be like that with a running back. And so if you're going to, like, where can we add a real difference maker for this specific

situation? I think it makes sense. I see how they have talked themselves into this being the move that they need it. Yeah, according to ESPN stats info, Seekwan Barclay goes from an offensive line that ranked 31st in run block win rate last season to an offensive line that ranked first in run block win rate in run block

win rate last season. Now, Jason Kelsey's not back. The offensive line's going to look different, but the Eagles historically have had a strong offensive line. The Giants in the past decade have certainly during Sacoans' time has a weak offensive line. So if you say that he's had the production that he's had over these last six years in an offense that did not fit his style, or I'm sorry, in an offense that did not maximize him, then he could be maximized here. But I mean, you're looking at a seventh year running back and saying he's going to have the best year of his career in year seven. You wonder what the track record is of that.

And that's kind of the Eagles are going against form. Like I said, I don't have an issue with paying A money for A players, but you're really counting on this guy being an A player. Yeah. Or staying, I should say, no, staying an A player. Let me ask you this. Do you think part of their consideration here was taking hits off of Jalen?

I don't think so. I don't think it's a consideration, but I mean, you talk about an investment. The Jalen Hertz investment's the biggest investment in the organization. So yeah, if they do less QB runs and more running back runs, they're coming off back-to-back seasons

with 1,000-yard running backs. You have a better running back now than you had the past two years. Yeah. Is Wesley Steinberg somebody you know? He's not. but I did see people say that about Xavier McKinney. He's followed by Connor Hughes.

He's got 14.5,000 followers. NFL and New York Giants Insider. Yeah, the one I... He says the Eagles are also signing Xavier McKinney. And I think somebody in the chat said something about like he's on spot track. But I think we'll wait for somebody else to report that. I would love to... No offense to Wesley Steinberg.

Yeah, I'd love to get in the fray here. Great father, but... What? He said he's a father. Yeah, so according to Jordan Shultz from Bleacher Report, Sake-on-Barkley's decision came down to the bears, the Texans, and the Eagles. The Giants never made an offer to retain Berkeley per multiple sources. Interesting.

Curious, where the Giants go running back now. Probably somewhere dumb. Yeah, a tough day for the Giants, especially if they don't keep Xavier McKinney. Right? I mean, they didn't have a lot of talent last year. If you let your talent walk for nothing. I think Wesley Steinberg is not a real account. Oh, is that what people are saying?

Yeah. Okay. So that's good to know. Would you, would you, like if they did McKinney? Yeah, I would like that if I was sequels. Yeah, I mean, we talked about 24-year-old. I don't like how, because they still got to sign some linebackers, or at least a linebacker. Sure.

I think they can let that one come to them a little bit. The safety market. Let's say they. I think they can let linebackers. Let's say they fill out free agency with trading Hassan Reddick for a second round pick, signing Gino Stone and Blake Cashman. How would you grade that overall haul? Geno Stone and Blake Cashman? I would give that.

And nothing else. I mean Yeah, yeah, yeah, nothing material, yeah Yeah And they get a second round pick For one of the addresches I would give them like a B plus A minus Yeah

Yeah, I mean I like Stone, we both like Stone You're paying for a career year I don't know what the scheme projection is here But What I'm really like I mean Yeah like two of the second tier guys

At both positions Yeah, but you're upgrading at both those spots You get I mean Chris would be upgrading them linebacker. I've never seen Chris play linebacker. Well, there goes Blake Cashman, who Tom Pelliserra reports, is going back to Minnesota where he played his college ball for a three-year deal worth up to $25.5 million. That's good money there. You're looking at $8 million plus. So I thought Jordan Brooks was going

to take you $10 million. Blake Cashman's $8.5 million. I'd rather pay a million and a half more for Jordan Brooks, but that was kind of the matchup that we had that day. My laptop's down the 13%. How is our, how is quacketology looking? Our final four was what? Was Baker, Huff, Dobbins, and who was the secondary player? McKinney.

McKinney, okay. So, I mean, if they land McKinney and Huff, I feel like that's pretty good. And then Baker still on the on the on the board. Yeah. Yeah. Now, I was talking to someone this weekend about Dobbins and they're like, hey, he's torn to kill. He's twice, man.

Are you really counting on him? I was like, it's a by-low signing. But that was kind of my anchoring bias, if you will. Yeah, that's like that. Well, that would have been if they, like I don't. Do you wish we went harder on? I don't read, we're sort of talking about the same thing, but I don't read them signing Sequin as, like, they were willing to spend on a running back. Like, they would have, they would have signed Derek Henry or they would have signed Austin Echler.

I read it as that, yeah, they're willing to spend for a difference-making player. Sure. Sure. I would agree with that. And so if they didn't do that, I think they would have waited at the bottom of the market. Yeah, that's, that's, I see what you mean. They're paying for a blue chip. Oh, is that for me?

No, you don't have to do that. Look at this. Wow. I'm telling you, Julia and Chris are incredible. They deserve their doing great works today. I wasn't being passive. Yeah, this is great. I wasn't being passive aggressive, like asking for a charger, but I'm happy to take it.

Yeah. The problem is I was right. It's like three hours to go, as Julia says. We have 40 minutes, right? Not if they keep doing stuff. I thought we were doing 40. I thought we were doing four hours today. I didn't know four hours was the minimum.

Well, I mean, if it's 345 or 358 and they sign Xavier McKinney, we're not going to end the show. I should have taken them up on the honey grow. You want my salad? No, that's your salad. It's your salad. My peanut butter and jelly sandwich isn't lasting me too long. How many were you allowed to have today? It's not allowed.

But I had one peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Yes. but yeah I made myself a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to the person who says Zach in the kitchen yeah Zach was in the kitchen today peanut butter and jelly sandwich

I don't know that some pineapple um okay yeah the pineapple's already cut but had some pineapple slices peanut butter and jelly

I think I've told the story we're in the fourth hour of the show I think joy I think joy is can we tell a Javon Kerr's story You can tell John Kerr's story I'm not getting involved in this one

You know what actually I'm going to go to the Mention room, okay, so I'm not associated with the story But feel free Zach is left, he's going to the bathroom So obviously what we're going to do here Is I'm not going to tell the story until he comes back I think everybody knows that Or maybe I can try to time it so that I

deliver the final line As he sits down Adam Schaefter here former Raiders free agent Balal Nichols reached agreement on a three-year $21 million deal that includes $14.4 million guaranteed with the Arizona Cardinals. So Zach's boys really making waves overpaying Bilal Nichols. Great job. They're in they're in good shape.

All right, let's have a little, you know, user participation. listener participation, let us know if there's any questions that you want to hear. Devin wants to know, do you think this marks a shift in Howey's roster building philosophy? We haven't paid big on a running back in a long time. I will echo what I said earlier. I don't think that this is like running back matters to them. They were willing to spend on anybody at this position. I think it is a player who they view as potentially difference-making.

I think they think he can be the best running back in football in this offense, and that is worth paying for. Roheed wants to know, does Sequin make you win the Niners game? The Cowboys, sell even the bucks. The problems on this team are much bigger than running back. I think that's a fair point. And, like, I don't know what's going to, what one position would make them win those games. But if you just look at, like, where are the places that they can upgrade?

There aren't many on offense, and offense matters more. And so running back is the place that I think makes sense. sense. And so anyway, Javon Curse is with the Eagles and is going through the breakfast line and is eating pineapple. And somebody remarks, oh, pineapple, huh? And his reflex, his answer is, makes your cum taste good. Welcome back, Zach. I should have waited for the two shot to come back so we could have gotten sex. Answer? So, what did I miss?

That was a joke. Don't want to know what I missed. Here you go. Sources say, according to we enrapheraport, that the Colts are bringing back Tyquan Lewis. Oh, here you go. Just wanted to change the subject. Just wanted to change the subject.

This is a different, I'm used to always sending all these texts out and stuff. Now I'm on air during this time. As Ian Rabbitport says, the Panthers have their splash expecting to sign former Dolphins Guard Robert Hunt. I wouldn't call that a splash. Five years 100 million. No way. According to Mike Garifold, five years, $100 million for Robert Hunt. Oh, God.

So the Eagles got the Landon Dicker. You think Leonard Dickerson goes back and tries to re-negotiated steel? I think that's why they did it before agency opened, yeah. Man. I mean. That's a lot of money. Wait until you see how much your boys paid Bollong Dicles. My boys?

Yeah. Who are my boys? The Cardinals, you keep talking about it. You need to get J.G. some pass rush. Oh, yeah. They're paying Bilal-Nichols, like $14 million guaranteed. Geez. A Delaware guy.

All right. Now, Connor Hughes, who, all respect, was all over the Eagles in Sequin and Barclay, says the Eagles are still targeting and trying to get something done with Giant Safety Zeevier McKinney purse sources. They're not alone. McKinney has suitors. Yeah, that would make sense for the Eagles. And that's kind of the move we've been talking about for a while.

Is Xavier McKinney, you brought him up right away as the guy, our five moves for Hallie Roseman. You brought up Xavier McKinney that day. And my question then is, is he going to be the top of the market safety, right? Like, are you paying for the highest price safety on the market? We'll see how this all works out. But a 24-year-old who can cover, who has range, is hard to find. And if the Eagles can do that, that'd be a really big day. One small little angle to that that I don't think we covered in all of these Xavier-McKinney

conversations from last week, apparently good friends with Jalen Hertz from their time together at Alabama. Oh, nice. Okay. Oh, nice. I don't know, just something. All right. How much pineapple did you have this morning?

I had like four or five slices. or wedges four or five wedges okay yeah it's a very sugary fruit so you can't overconsume it I mean you can it's a natural sugar

it's fine okay you're trying to be mindful of that I'm sorry yeah it's a time of year when I'm trying to get in better shape I appreciate that

yeah I'm just saying like it's the stakes are very low here it's not like you're you're gonna get shot in the foot if you have an extra slice of pineapple I want like a football coach's diet right in the sense that like, you know, I report the training camp in the best shape of my year,

and then I go into New Year's Eve being like, oh, God. All right. So, yeah, so now. It was a good delivery of, oh, God. I'm on my pathway to training camp now. Now, what's your peanut butter and jelly process? I take out the peanut butter, take out the jelly? What kind of peanut butter?

What kind of jelly? Oh, okay. You know, what's the ratio? Are you toasting that bad boy? Toasting a peanut butter and jelly? Do people do that? Some people do that? Do you?

on occasion it's not my go-to yeah I do not toast the peanut butter and jelly you don't toast it with the peanut butter and jelly on it but you toast the bread I don't toast the bread I toast my bagels but not my peanut jelly I don't mind it's not a heavy toast but just a little

a little structural integrity so look I feel like I'm going to get in trouble for this episode why well Emily who is she's much healthier than I am

and we had like you know Last week I brought up to her because I do eat a lot of peanut butter and jelly. And we have all these like, we have... The kids eat so much peanut butter and jelly. We have natural, we have natural peanut butter. Hmm. I don't know how to describe it.

We had that. And then... Not good. It's basically the face you're making. And then we had sunflower butter, which apparently... Expensive. You need for school because there's peanut allergy in school. So they're not allowed to bring peanut butter and jelly in school.

And then we had a... another thing that I opened it up and there was like water on top or oil on top. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, that happens. Those are the ones you got to refrigerate. Oh, okay. And so then I said that, what about just like a Skippy? She's giving the regular Skippy.

I told there's a lot of sugar in the Skippy, but you know what? We have Skippy. Oh, you do have Skippy. We have Skippy now. Good for you, man in the house. Go get yourself some Skippy. We got some Skippy. Finally put your foot down.

I like that. Some Skippy, some Joey. What kind of jelly? Today was grape, but more of a strawberry jelly guy. Now are we talking like a nice fancy jelly, or this is more of the store brand like squeeze it on? Store brand, squeeze it on type jelly. And then, yeah, then just bread. Okay.

And I put the peanut butter on one slice and the jelly on the other slice and I put the bread together and I cut it in half. Oh, interesting. And I cut it in half. You put the jelly on the other side. slice naked and then you push them together. Is that not what you do? No, I put the, I put the peanut butter on the base, and then I put the jelly on top of the peanut butter, and then you put the bread on top. Oh, no, no, no.

Because I feel like if you split it up, you risk losing some jam and jelly. No, to me, it's like bringing people together, right? It's being a uniter, right? So, yeah, so, you know, I don't like factions, and so, yeah, so I don't like when you have But you're still bringing them together if you're piling them on together. It's all the same. Why create an extra side? Put the peanut butter on one side, jelly on the other side, put them together. Claire does this.

I'm with Zach this time. Thank you. No, no. She's, I think this is from earlier. She's responding to a different part. Oh, okay. Someone says that's insane. What's insane?

I can't tell which part you guys are reacting to here. Putting the peanut butter and the joys together. Claire says peanut butter on one side, jelly on the other. Oh, okay. Interesting. What's the difference? Why would you create an extra thing? That's bizarre, I feel.

Wait, who says that's a psycho move? Julia, where do you go? I feel like I haven't made it peanut butter and jelly sandwich in so long, but I think I used to put them on separate and then put them together. Thank you. Yeah.

Chris is shaking his head, he says no. Especially if you're holding, you make in the morning for lunch or something, peanut butter on both sides of the bread, so the bread doesn't get soggy from the jelly. Oh, that's interesting. Interesting. Chris, I don't know if you guys heard that.

Chris says he goes peanut butter on both sides. That way the jelly doesn't seep through. Interesting. Okay, yeah, because I have had that where the bread, the bread takes on like the purplish tone from the jelly. Yeah, okay. Chris, you're a wealth of information here with, okay. By the way, do you think, well, people really don't like me putting the jelly on top of the peanut butter.

It doesn't make any difference. It's all in the sandwich together. Very bizarre. Bo, do you think that Sequin's going to make the Eagles organization classier? Oh, nice. I see what you did. That's pretty good. I mean, if they sign both of him and McKinney, then, you know.

It'll be a classy day. That would be, I might have to put the jacket and tie back off. Well, you know what the problem is. If they really go all giants, they're going to have to trade Jalen Hertz. Why? Well, the Giants don't want a black quarterback. That's the history of their franchise. That's the classiness that they abide by.

I don't think that's... I mean, the only time they really had one was when they let Gino Smith play, and then they fired the coach for doing it. They did do that. That is true. That is true. Yeah, man, I'm seeing a lot of Sequin Penn State stuff. He was so special at Penn State. Do you remember watching that Rose Bowl game against USC when him and Sam Darno

going back and forth. He was special. Like, absolutely special. Chat, you guys remember that Rose Bowl, right? Penn State versus USC. Sam Donald looked awesome. Adori Jackson looked awesome, but Sequin Barclay was the best player

on the field that day. You ever go peanut butter honey? I'm a big honey guy. I put honey on as much as I can. Yeah. What? That's fun. Yeah.

Sticky. Yeah, I like honey. I like honey I like cinnamon Yeah Somebody can Maybe somebody can Make us say

Zach as Winnie the Pooh Well by the way You know what Jalen Hertz does to his coffee Do you guys know how Jalen Hertz takes his coffee Does he drink it? He puts honey in it Yeah

He doesn't do milk or sugar he does honey Okay Which sounds pretty good to me What's the What's the selling point there? just likes the taste when you put honey in tea that makes sense

do you know people who put honey in coffee no yeah I'm asking I think Jalen Hertz does if I go to Starbucks I do a honey drink that they have okay the honey almond the honey almond milk flat white

yeah real time I don't even understand what this means he says Beau is even liberal with his sandwiches hashtag Dahmer I don't really I'm not sure I get that one that's okay let's let's see this handsome graphic

that Chris has made for the Eagles new look offense. Yes, thank you. Back to football. I love this. Seacon, Barclay. Jailen Goddard. Hey, Jake, Devante.

There you go. Good graphic. I like that. This is the skill players. The question is, who's the third receiver going to be in that group? And I can see it being

a second round pick for the Eagles. I would watch out for that. You think they could draft a receiver in the second round? I do, yeah. I would be pretty surprised. They're going to have a wealth of options. And there are going to be some good ones

available there. you know like like maybe Troy Franklin in the second round what the chat is making me laugh oh okay I'm glad I'm glad they're doing that yeah maybe like Troy Franklin in the second round um that would surprise me a second round wide receiver yes interesting well if you had uh I think with the second you do that you're starting the clock on trading one of the on trading a j.J. Brown or Devonte Smith but if you spend money on one you're not not if you spend four million dollars yeah yeah i mean if you draft a wide receiver in the second round that player is supposed to be a starter for you yeah third the third receiver is a starter for you yeah i just i i

like the third receiver is literally a starter for you so i'm telling you yeah in real life not in madden or like a football simulation that when you draft a second round wide receiver with those two guys yeah you are starting the clock that you're going to be trading one of those two guys i don't know that I disagree with that because I look at the at the resource allocation once you pay them I don't think the targets the targets are as like as much of a question once you now you can say if you pay devante can you then pay a jay but no i i disagree with you on this as far as i think a second round receiver presents value and if you go if you're looking to upgrade the third receiver spot you've a better chance of doing it in the draft than you do in the free agent market i would rather spend a

second round pick on a wide receiver, then pay Noah Brown five and a half million. Okay. Well, that's a false equivalency, but that's okay. I'm not saying overpay him, but... Or, well, then give me the wide receiver you want to sign. No, I mean, if Noah Brown is available for $3 million, then I would sign him because I think he can be a fourth receiver, because I think that they should draft a wide receiver, but I think they probably are looking at like a third or fourth or fifth round pick.

I just think there's a big difference between second and fourth. third in terms of the expected usage of those players. Okay, so last year in your shadow draft, you had them taking J. Owen Hyatt the top of the third round. And is that much different than the 55th pick in the draft? There's like a, you know,

you're looking at a 15-pick spread there. Yeah, I know. But I think that that distinction sort of does matter. I also think Hyatt was, now, I know Troy Franklin is like this, but a specific type of player was basically Coz Watkins on steroids, right? Like, offers the same skill set. But also,

like that is a shadow draft not real life and I also think another year into this like you know as you have said if they signed Devante to an extension

this off season all of a sudden they're going to get a call from AJ Brown's agent who says like okay let's rework my deal now I just like that's not going away I think

one of their first three picks is a wide receiver including two second round picks yeah well I'll take Let's put that on the bet board. Well, you got to give me odds on that. No, you just said you think that that's going to happen.

Well, no, I need to see how, like, if the Eagles go into the draft without adding a cornerback before then, then obviously they're going to take a cornerback in the first two rounds, right? They kind of telegraph that for you. But, yeah, I think they'll take a wide receiver early in this draft. And so, yeah. I will be very surprised if they use a second round pick on a receiver. Not that I think it's a bad pick because of the value of the position. but I just, I don't think that that's what they're going to do.

And I also think that the Sequin-Barkley addition lessens the need to do that. I think that's like part of the reason to overpay is that when you're adding like the weaponry to the offense, getting the best guy there means that maybe you don't necessarily need to pay for or even resource-wise a little bit of an improvement with the three-receiver. Yeah, I think you're focused on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, taking good players at big positions for you. And I just think you're going to find a wide receiver in the second round who is of the value of like a first round pick perhaps.

Now, you can say because of the strength of this draft, maybe find a wide receiver in round four who can contribute for you. I just think there's so many good receivers, especially in those first two rounds. Yeah, that is a direction I can see the Eagles going. Okay. So we have Sidney Brown, Week 1. or no, Cindy Branden in September, which I think you might win. Mm-hmm.

And one of the first three Eagles picks is a wide receiver. Okay. Oh, we have a, we have a photo? There he is! Because I like honey? That's what? That's, uh... Zach the poo.

Oh, God. All right. I'm not... Put some pants on. That's exactly, actually, it's like exactly how Zach shows up in Studio B. Journalism school Zach puts honey on Everything

I'm at the journals from school Work my butt off to get to this point in life Yeah, he worked your butt off You might as well show it off Just like Winnie the Pooh You see this is why I'd rather not talk about any personal stuff Let's just talk football I like honey, okay

I'm sorry I don't put it on every I put it I put honey on chicken Okay I put honey What? On chicken? Yeah. That's not crazy to me.

Yeah. I put honey on apples. I cut up apple slices and I dip it in honey. Okay. I don't drink tea, but I put honey in hot water sometimes. And that's kind of about it. I mean, and then, like, there's certain desserts that I like honey on. So, yeah, it's about it.

You said you loved honey. You're telling a bit of a different story here. We're like three and a half hours into a show, okay? I'm backlogged in terms of responding to stuff. I want to, like, reach out to people to confirm things. Well, go ahead. I can't just... This is the job.

I can't leave the show back. I can't leave the show back. I know. I thought I was hired to do a one-hour show every day. I didn't know a four-hour show. This is the most important day of the year. Okay. Yeah.

But then, you know what's going to happen? I think we should go longer. But then I'm going to go. go, oh, here you go. Antonio Gibson on a three-year deal with a base value of 11.25 to the New England Patriots. The Arizona Cardinals are going after, or they are bringing in Sean Murphy Bunting. Agreed to terms of Sean Murphy bunting. I'd rather have Sean Murphy swinging away.

That is a bo-joke if I've ever heard one. Julia laughed at it. Julia likes your humor. Yeah. Julia is as punched drunk as all of us. All right, here's the deal, Zach. 20 minutes until 4 o'clock, if the Eagles do not do anything before 4 o'clock, we could end the show. If they do something, we've got to keep going.

It is the first time in 12 years covering the team, going in the year 13, other than my wedding day, when I'm hoping the Eagles don't do something, is these next 20 minutes. That's not true. I mean, when you go to sleep, you're hoping they don't do anything. It was true. Okay, true. It was true. All right. Fair enough. But my point is, it's like, I sent someone a note before I got married. Like, please don't do anything this weekend. I'm getting married. Well, actually, it was a response to a note about me getting married. But, yeah, I'm hoping that I think four hours is enough for this, but I'm happy to- But here's the thing. I mean, if something happens, we're just going to do an emergency pot anyway. That is true. Right?

So it might as well happen while we're already here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Now, I know the easy answer is people like do radio shows for this long. I get it. There's typically like breaks, you know. There's typically like commercial breaks.

Pineapple breaks. Yeah. So. Okay. What do you think the next move is? I think we find out who their safety, who their safety is. Great. Although, I don't know if I would play it.

Like, I kind of, I think safety is different than running back. Like, I think they're interested in McKinney, obviously. But I think they might be willing. There are just so many safeties available who would represent a young upgrade for them that I think it would be silly for them not to go after one of them. But I'm curious to see if, I mean, maybe they prioritize linebacker instead. And then obviously I want to know what happens with Sweat and Redick. I still can't get over this Robert Hunt contract.

That's the one. That's the one that's got you. 100 million dollars for Robert Hunt. Well, certainly it makes sense like from Dickerson, right? It makes it look better. Yeah. I feel like that Cardinals one is the craziest one to me. It's not even that much.

The Blahaw Nichols is the one. Yeah, like, what are they doing? They've got all this money. And they're like, all right, let's get us a replaceable defensive tackle. Yeah, I mean, I feel like the Cardinals are taking this five-year plan to heart too much, right? So, I mean, why aren't the Cardinals in on Christian? I think that's a team that doesn't care about winning. Yeah, I mean, too bad Marvin Harrison, Jr., Philly's own is going to be going there if they don't care about winning.

What do you think is like, what is the Giants fans? Oh, you got to be torn up, I mean. How do they view Sequin Barclay? Do they view him as a guy who they did wrong? I think that there's probably a sentence. I don't want to speak for Giants fans, and I don't know. I used to live up there. He used to cover them.

I don't keep track of the Giants sentiment too much anymore. But my guess is they probably view it like they pay Daniel Jones when they should have paid Seekwon Barkley. They had a chance last offseason. Like, Saquan was played on the tag last year. Frankly, you probably could have signed Seekwon to this contract last year, correct, if you're the Giants? No. They offered much less, according to it. Ryan Dunleby.

Last year? Oh, wow. Yeah, I mean, I didn't understand the Daniel Jones contract last year when the Giants did it. Didn't make sense to me? No, it made no sense at all. Not a good player. Yeah, I feel like they bet on the wrong course. This Antonio Gibson deal looks dumb.

So here you go. Connor Hughes, who I give Connor credit. He's been all over this. The Giants plan with Saquan, Barclay and Free Agency per Sources. Let him go find the best offer, and then give him. give NIG a chance to match. Fair enough. It's true the Giants never made an offer,

but they were never going close to what the Eagles were. It was over the moment Barclay got that. Why throw something at Berkeley for the sake of throwing something at it when it's not close to what Philly brought? I mean, I would say, like, they might be on

different time horizons. I get that. The Giants have been a better, I'm sorry, the Eagles have been a better organization in terms of evaluation and valuation, then the Giants have. In terms of everything.

Yeah. So I got to say, like, if the Eagles are going after two of your best players and they sign them, and then maybe the way you valued your guys were wrong, I'm not saying the Eagles are infallible. They certainly make mistakes. But, yeah, it's, I'm just, like,

if you're the Giants right now, what are you doing? You don't have, you have a bunch of slot receivers, okay? you have a 31-year-old tight end who might retire, okay? You have a quarterback coming off a tour. I'm still mad about everybody telling me what a difference Darren Waller was going to make in the Giants offense. Yeah, you have a tight end who, who, I'm sorry, you have a quarterback who you overpaid, who's coming off a torn ACL, okay?

You have a bad offensive line. A head coach who everybody seems to hate? Yeah, you just ran off your defensive coordinator, okay? You brought in... Your offensive coordinator wants to leave, it seems like. Yeah, your defensive coordinator came from a staff that got fired. That wasn't particularly good.

Tell me, what are the Giants doing? Am I wrong here? And I thought Joe Shane had to go for sure. And yet you still cling to a well-run organization. I never... You've got on your big blue today. This is not Giants Blue. I never said the Giants were well-run organization.

I have not said that. Just classy? Yeah, they're... I mean, I think the Mara family is a... They've been... They're nice people. That's all I said. That's not all you said.

He's like classy. What defines class? It's a joke. The classy thing is a joke. It's become a joke. I feel like originally it was not. I play up the joke. Yeah, here, Max says his giant's friends are fuming.

Yeah, if you're the Giants right now, you just got to reset all together. It just seems so odd to me. Okay. Antonio Gibson only got 5.3 guaranteed three for 11.25. So, I mean, it's not how I would have spent my money, but it's not terrible. All right. Well, 12 minutes left. Come on, Eagles, poking the stick.

Do something. What do you think DeAndre Swift thinks right now? he's just happy he got paid yeah yeah yeah okay yeah he got what he wanted so if the eagles didn't get barkley you think they would have how we discussed that already no well we have yeah i mean i actually actually have said that but we've been talking for four hours i think it's okay to ask a question that would lead to a repeat answer okay should we do the baseball umaculate grid for today uh sure Awog. You'd be taking a lot of heat.

Oh, thank you, AWOG. Okay. We all love you. What does he say? Of course we love you. Because we love. If we didn't love you, what would we do? Yeah, it's taking a lot of heat today.

That is true. I don't think you're taking that much heat. Maybe volume-wise? Have you been the time of the joke today? Yeah, of course. People killing me for this peanut butter thing. Have I? I made a comment earlier on about

about getting dressed up and you got offended. That was big... That wasn't a comment. That was a... Yeah. I said... I'm repping the brand. I get it.

I'm sending a message. Okay. That's great. People want us to do baseball. Let's do baseball. All right, let's do baseball. And thank you for all the audience who's sticking with us today. We appreciate it.

I can't believe we got a million people in here today. The Texans are signing Jeff Akuta. The one year of $4.75 million-dollar contract. Former number three. overall pick. I love that. I mean, get him with Domingo. Wasn't he there?

Yeah. What? No, no, no, no. Sorry. God, this honey thing, I... My bad. Screwbo for the PV take. This is wild to me.

I didn't even cross my mind that anybody would separate it. It feels so inefficient. Actually, that's a good question from Big Mike McDee. Have you ever gone with the hot honey? Oh, yeah. I got Father's Day gift last year was a collection of hot sauces, included the hot honey.

Oh, like a hot honey. Yeah, definitely like hot honey on pizza. Nice, I like that. Yeah. Okay, all right, you got to go first. You won. All right, can you make it a little bigger? I'm so my eyes aren't very good.

Thank you. Let's see. We've got Orioles in the middle on the top, reds on the left, Giants top across, Astros, middle across, and then at the bottom across is played center field for a game. And on the right side vertically is 300 Homer's career.

I will go middle. And there was a period of time when I used to help out with Baltimore Orioles coverage for the Washington Post. And Luke Scott is my answer here for Astros Orioles. Great. Luke Scott, good one. It's going to be a low. Oh, nice. All right, I'll go top left.

Reds, Giants. I have good one here. One of my favorite players when I was a kid. now I was going to go Eric Davis which might be who you were going to say but as I as I say it I'm going to instead go

what's his name the lefty pitcher who couldn't hit Roger Clemens in the ass for the Mets all right just do Eric Davis for now again okay

so I am I will go with Sean Estes that's what I was thinking of I will go with played center field for for the Orioles and this is someone who is there a minimum games I can't see one game oh okay this is someone who was always very nice to me when I was in the Orioles Clubhouse and I imagine he's going to have a decent amount of points here but I want to give him a shout out because he was a joy to watch play center field and that's Adam Jones Nice.

Pac-Man. All right, so I got a block here with Orioles Giants. A couple orange teams. This should be easy, and I'm losing myself here. Orioles Giants. And Zach's going to have one here. He covered those O's. Yeah, but I don't know if they made any deals with the Giants back then.

That, that, that, that, that, that, that, uh, didn't. No, I don't think you did. Come on, Eagles, do something. Give me a break here. Orioles Giants. That, da, da, da, da, da. So let me catch you up on some football news. Oh, please.

No, I just wanted to see, because we are doing a live show here. All I keep seeing is just Akuta. Yeah, Jeff Akuta. A lot of, a lot of people going in on the Jeff Akuta. signing. Like making fun of it? No, no, no. I'm just saying a lot of reports. Reporting it out. So I'm Murphy Bunning on three years, 17.4 mil. Let's see. The Patriots are releasing

Devante Parker. That's too bad. And the dolphins are negotiating an extension with Tua. The Andre Swift's deal, according to Albert Breers, 4 million signing bonus, 14 million, fully guaranteed. 8 and a half over the first year, 16 and a half over the first two. It's pretty good. 30 years more or less a team option. So basically a two-year deal. So he's 25. He'll hit to market again

in 27. I'm just going to take a shot here. I'm going to go Dennis Cook. No, missed it. Chance for you to win, Zach. Yeah. Well, this is actually the one I was going to go with. It's in the chat, but I was going to go with this one here because he was a first-round pick out of LSU, and I remember him well. And he got traded. to the Giants in a foolish trade, one that I know they always want back, and now he's one of the best pitchers in baseball, and that's Kevin Gosman. Nice, and congratulations to you, Goodwin, and what makes it sting even worse is that in the chat,

after the Kevin Gosman shoutout, Mike Y says Sidney Ponsone, and Zach, did you know that Bo Wolf is one-for-one lifetime against Sidney Ponsone, base hit to right field in spring training, my senior year of high school. Sidney Ponson was rehabbing coming off of, I think, Tommy John. And threw me a fastball on the outside corner, poked that bad boy to right, solid line drive single, one for one against Major League pitching.

That is really impressive. I'm impressed legitimately. Good work. And then in the chat, actually, so they were putting some Giants orioles ones. And I mentioned how Adam Jones was one. one of the nicer guys to me in that clubhouse. I remember one of the guys who was not particularly nice.

Oh, this is fun. And his name's up there, and that's Aubrey Huff. Really? Well, that's not surprising. Yeah, Aubrey Huff was kind of... Known as one of the biggest D.Bs around. Yeah, so... That's good.

I'm glad you're able to call that out. What did he do to you that was not so nice? No, I just remember he was like a jerk, but... Or I shouldn't say that. I mean, I'm not. All right. And then actually, there was a guy you knew who... who was also very nice.

Ryan Flaherty. Ryan Flaherty went to high school with my wife. Yeah. Here's one. De Nico Autry is going to the Texans for two years, 10 million. Sensible? Mm-hmm. Jeff McLean has the details of the Barclay trade.

We already talked about that, but E.J. Smith says the Barclay deal is comparable to the extension Nick Chub signed with the Browns in 2021. Okay? Yeah. He's that type of player. I mean, I don't think it's a crazy price. Well, the Giants are on the board with a move.

Another one after John Runyon? Carter Coughlin's returning to the Giants. Oh, there's a classic guy. They love a Cofflin there. Yeah. Mr. Merrick, can we resign Carter Cofflin? Is he white? Yes, sir.

Go for it. I don't think John Marr's making the decisions there. Yeah, well, I mean, he's happy to know that, though. I mean, two for two. Got a couple white guys. I love these reports, Howie's not done. Yeah. Okay.

How he's not done. I don't think Howie's calling it. Right. He just goes home. He's like, all right, guys, thanks. Yes, yeah. See you tomorrow. Yeah. I wouldn't see anything else.

I can stick around for a little longer. I mean, look, this is our job, and we have it. As long as these chats engaged. How are the numbers? Are we happy with the numbers? Okay. We don't have to say what they are. It's proprietary.

And the Wi-Fi has been better? Okay, yeah. Good learning. experience. It's part of that because we're doing a lower frame rate. Okay. That's good. Well, a good job by you to troubleshoot that, Julia.

Yeah. And Chris. And we appreciate all the people who tuned in to the emergency show yesterday. Those numbers were great. And then today's show, yeah. So what do you want to do here, Zach? Do you want to call this or do you want to hang on for a few more minutes? This kind of was your brainchild here.

So. Not much of a brainchild. This is when all of his news is coming out. We might as well just be live. I like a tight hour, but, um, but what? I mean, I'm not asking us, do you do four hours a day? Think of all the things that have happened over the past four hours. Here, how about this?

Let's, let's take some more listener questions. Okay. Yeah. Let's get, uh, let's let's let's let's get like 10 good questions. Yeah. And if, uh, if nothing happens after that, we'll, we'll, we'll leave. Zach, realistically. probably has to leave by five in order to go home and change and get himself mentally prepared

for the playoff game tonight. Yeah, although I really don't think I'm going to be a big part of my team's winning. How dare you? You're a great teammate. There's lots of things you can do. Yeah, I've seen the substitution patterns. I'm not on the court that much tonight. Why, you guys ever planned out that specifically? But I'm responsible for handling the substitution patterns. Now, I don't want to overstep here, but it feels to me like, isn't this, you, you have, volunteered to do that, right? The substitution patterns? Yeah, like, but also volunteered that you don't need to be on the court as much. Oh, I didn't volunteer not to be on the court as much. Oh, okay. You want to, you want to play. Yeah. I'm giving up a Monday night. Yeah, absolutely.

But no, you're part of a team, right? I mean, it's, it's, what's Jonathan Gannon's first rule? Wow. Stephen McKinney to the Packers. Oh, okay. From Adam Shepter, who added first, a four-year, $68 million deal, so that's 17 per year with the Green Bay Packers. That's interesting.

So that big one is down. And so now I don't, I think maybe the Eagles go Justin Simmons. Yeah, for a placeholder? That's a huge. Yeah, and I think it's less of a placeholder. I think he can do two years. at a high level.

But I think that that means that maybe safety is not their big splash left. I mean, 17 million, you'd be paying a safety as much as an edge rusher. They weren't going to do that. So we talked about kind of 14 for the number 3 million is a lot more. That's a lot of money. Yeah. Wouldn't have expected the Eagles to push into this territory. Now, I do think if there are people on the opposing team watching tonight,

you know, I hope you lose because I hope Zach wins, and we can continue talking about this for another week. But I do think it would be funny if Zach was on the free throw line and somebody from the bench, like, loudly said, oh, my God, the Eagles traded for Legerius Sneed. I just put the ball down around. You run like your old valet, like he just run to the car. Gump, yeah, yeah.

Man, that's a lot of money. Good for, yeah, good for Xavier McKinney. He earned the X-Man. The X-Man. The X-Man. I like Xavier the name, too. I have a nephew, Xavier. Okay. So, yeah, let's take some...

Oh, never. The DeNico Autry was actually, was 220, so it was 10 per year. Not two-four, not 210. Sorry. So that's okay. I just... Okay. Diana Rusini says the Eagles were in on Xavier McKinney, but the Packers win it.

So, I mean, 17, that's a lot. McKinney gets $25 million in year one. I'm curious now because, yeah, I don't know. Do you go, do you? By the way, like the discipline it takes to have a walkaway number. Imagine that's hard, right? You know, it's, look, it's always easy to spend someone else's money than your own. But like, you're working this deal, you're working this deal, you're working this deal, you're probably thinking, a little bit more, a little bit more.

It's important to have a walkaway number. So I respect that. Like you with the blackjack table. Made the blackjack table. I have a walkaway number. Yep. You never reach back in. That's the...

Yeah, I am curious to see what they do now, whether this is. like running back in my read on what the Eagles were like where it was like they're going for the guy who's a difference maker at the position and if not they don't need to worry about it too much or for them this is a priority position and they're going to then pivot from this to pay Justin Simmons a lot in year one and year two or try to sign a long-term 10-pull player like potentially Gino Stone.

You know they've been linked to Cam Curl. I don't love Cam Curl for, like if he's going to get $12 million or something like that. And then where does linebacker play in here? Yeah, because that's the thing too. For as, you know, the Eagles made two big splashes today. And we discussed those moves. We like those moves. But if you look at the overall context of this offseason, what they wanted to do is they wanted to be aggressive,

find upgrades on defense and their hope was like guys in their mid-20 core players are multi-year deals right and still it's still early on

but basically what you've done is you've added Huff and you're assuming you're trading one of your starters there you still have the same holes you had last year this year so again it's four hours and five minutes

into this so you can't necessarily there's a lot a lot, a lot to be done. But that's going to be the big question this offseason is, is what are they doing that back seven? I want to give you a couple safety linebacker pairings, and you tell me what you like best, but give me a second to pull it together.

Okay. So let's say the three options are basically like a top of the market safety and a lower market linebacker, the vice versa, or the middle ground, So let's call it, like, let's say you paid for Jordan Brooks at the top of the linebacker market, and at safety, you sign... Jordan 4? Deshaun Elliott.

Okay. Okay. From the Dolphins. The reverse, let's say you pay a high front load for Justin Simmons, and you sign, let's call it, Jerome Baker. Or maybe Jerome Baker is a little too good for that. or you get a couple middle ground guys and it's C.J. Gardner Johnson and Aziz Al-Shahir. Probably, it depends what you think of Al-Shayir. I would probably like that the Jordan Brooks, Justin Simmons combo there.

Because as much as you want to get the core. No, no, no, those are the two good ones. You can't get Brooks and Simmons. Oh, you're not getting Brooks and, okay. No, yeah. Okay, so what am I putting together? It's like either you're paying a lot for Brooks and then it's Deshaunel. Oh, yeah, that's what it was.

Okay. Or it's you're paying a lot for Simmons and it's, you know, Jerome Baker or... Yeah. I would probably go Simmons Baker. Somebody, you know, Josie Jewel. Oh, okay. Or it's a couple, like, high mid guys.

Yeah, I wouldn't want that Simmons Jewel combination. I don't think you're getting younger. So don't... I would probably... Of that, I would go with Brooks and... I would go with Brooks and Elliot. Now, again, you're really counting in that case on re-blanked shipping good again, and you're counting on Sidney Brown coming back healthy.

But Elliot, you know, gives you probably a competent above replacement level, not extraordinary, safety there. I'm probably interjecting my personal proclivities a little more. I would see then, like, what's Jordan Ford cost you? Jordan Forward is a player that I like. Juno Stone. Exactly. I think in theory I would rather have two of the middle ground younger guys. So maybe that's Jordan Fuller and Al Shaiyar, something like that.

And it's not perfect, but you're raising the floor. You're starting caliber players in their prime. And I'm curious about Gino Stone too. Devin Singletary, we should say, signed by the Giants. That's their Sequin-Barkley replacement. Oh, okay. But you're paying for a... You're paying for a career season.

But an interesting question, like, from the chat, would you have rather paid this for McKinney and not gotten Sequin if you were the Eagles? No. No. It's a good question. You're looking at a difference in price. I mean, you're looking at $17 million versus, what, $13 million or $12 million?

Basically, yeah. Yeah. But then you're, you know, you don't have to pay that for a lot. I like McKinney. I've said that all along. I don't know if I view McKinney as like an A player. I probably view him as like the B range, B plus maybe. I would rather, if I'm paying top of the market,

I would rather pay top of, I would rather pay for a player who's the top of the market at his position, which we kind of think Saquan is. Now, it's not the same positional value, although safeties, legal's haven't historically paid safety that much either, right? So, no, I would rather Barclay at the contract they signed Barclay to that McKinney. The one difference, I'll say, is that McKinney's 24 years old, turns 25. Yeah, I think that's the appeal.

And what you're paying for with McKinney is not necessarily the, like, level of play. Yeah. It is the getting this guy in your building to be a foundational piece for the long run, like who you can help build around. Exactly. Now, he's, you know, he's had some injury issues, so it's not, it's not, it's not, definite, but like it's to your, maybe dependability is underrated sometimes. Like, the appeal to him is you are, this is a position and you don't have to worry about for like four years.

You're right. You're right. And that's what Malcolm Jenkins gave you. That's what Ronnie McLeod's gave you. So you're right. I just think, like, I mean, to go with the expression that I've been using that we've heard elsewhere, you pay A players, A money. And you don't like to pay B players.

like if I thought McKinney the number I said for him was like 12 to 14 million like 14 million I thought was as was kind of the higher mark that I would go 17 is a lot you know so no I I would rather pay Berkeley that but I will admit like I do have questions about paying a running back going into year seven no doubt and that's that that's the thing it's it's a it's a type of move that I can talk myself into today that makes a lot of sense. But you got a thing, too, when they sign Lashamacoy,

I keep saying, this is the biggest investment they've made since Lashamakoy. LaShaumacoy was 24 years old when they gave them that deal. 23, 24. They drafted Lashon at age 20. They gave them a contract

after three years. Saquan's going into is age 28 season? No, into 27. Age 27 season. Okay, yeah. I mean, that's, it's, there is, there's. It's risky.

It's risky, but again, I don't have an objection when paying blue chip players. Well, and it's like, you know, it's like Howie has said that they don't, it's not that they don't value the position. And I think it is probably, like I agree with this, that one of the problems with running back and those guys getting paid is that the difference between the fifth best running back in the league and the 20th best running back in the league is just not that great. Yeah. And it's not making a tangible,

effect on how good of a team you are, and it's pretty easy to find the 20th best running back in the league. But those top four guys can really make a difference. Now, part of the problem is that those top four guys change every year, and they're not super sticky. But if you, you know, if scouting-wise, if you have decided that Sequin still has that in his body, which, you know, I don't necessarily doubt. I get it. From a comparison standpoint, point, we now have the numbers on Devin Singletary. It looks like three years, 16 and a half million. So that's like $5.5 million a year with incentives to go higher. And I would rather pay, sake, Juan, Barclay, $12.5 million than pay Devin Singletary $5.5 million. And I don't even particularly

think it's close. I agree with you there. I mean, if you're not getting Barclay, I would have gone a one-year contract to somebody and then drafted like a jail on right. Yeah. Yeah. I'm with you there. I want to point out we're doing great adding, like since the show started, we've added a number of dieharts. You can do that on

all-p-l-y.com. Since the show started today? Since the show started today, yeah. We should have made this a telethon. If you want us to keep going, if you want us to keep going, somebody sign up for a die-heart membership and show us the receipt

and we'll do another 20 minutes. That's true. Vince would love that. Let's do it tomorrow. Yeah. Yeah. So, no, I, we genuinely appreciate that. And we will, we will, you have our word.

We will give you the type of written content that excites you. And in addition to that, you have the discount on merch and discount on events. And part of the Discord, I haven't gone on the Discord today. Imagine the Discord's popping. I was looking at it in the middle of the night. I was up at 4 a.m. last night. couldn't go back to sleep. I was excited for today.

No surprise? Yeah, I was excited for today. All right. Last thing before we close out is we have spent so much time lately talking about Sequin Barclay. Let's circle back to Bryce Huff. Yes. Because that's a huge thing that the Eagles did today, obviously. David has a – or David, rather, has a chat, a super chat. Any chance they hold on to sweat and redic because trade offers aren't exceeding compic potential.

Com picks don't really play in here. Yeah. But just reflecting on the Bryce Huff deal, which we talked about for the first two hours of the show, you still fully expect them to make another move and not keep all three of these guys. Yeah, it would really surprise me. Well, because look, Reddick's not going to come back on this deal, and his cap numbers swells this year anyway, so they would have to renegotiate no matter what. But he's going to want a different deal. Sweat censoring the last year of his contract. you have both these guys on below market deals as it is.

I'll put it this way. I don't think Hassan Reddick and Josh Sweat would be very happy if Bryce Huff's making more than both of them, right? So that's kind of the reality of this. I think when you agree to sign an edge rusher who hasn't been a full-time starter to 17 plus million a year, then what you're doing is you're trading reddick or sweat. And maybe you're signing the other guy too to an extension. I don't know. Maybe you're trading both like we discussed,

but it would really surprise me if both of those guys are here. And it's just a matter of, I think, you know, look, the league year hasn't even started, by the way. Like, to give you a perspective on this time last year, it wasn't until, I think, the second or third day when the Darius Slay News came out, right? that they were letting that they were releasing or

yeah yeah I think that's right the James Bradbury thing didn't happen until the third day until the league year started yeah it wasn't even it might have even have been Thursday for exactly yeah so so again like this is still in its very early stages no but I think that's it's an important framing because it tells you what their priorities were sure

and it's like we talked about this is when we find out the truth of what they what they value yeah there are there are other other positions that they need to fill. And, you know, maybe they tried to make safety part of that with Xavier McKinney. But, like, the thing that they really, really, really wanted to get done was Bryce Huff. And Sequin Barclay was, like, the icing on the cake. Now, we don't know exactly how the chronology work there. Maybe Barclay was done first. But I think that, like, the Huff thing is interesting because it totally tracks with Howey's track record. The Sequin thing is

interesting because it bucks that trend a little bit. But it all sort of, as a piece makes sense. And I do think that the more that I think about it, the less shocked I would be if they did actually trade both sweat and redic. I don't think that the less shocked I would be. I still don't think that that's what's going to happen. But if they get good compensation, I think that kind of is not that crazy. Yeah. Yeah, okay. I'm with you there.

Especially if they are projecting more from Nolan Smith, which certainly. like I would not do. Yeah. I'm not expecting that. My last question to you, this is a non-football question, but we've done four hours plus today. I think it's been pretty strong. We've kept conversation going. Mouth's a little parched, but I'm a little hungry.

But our friends at What Chaos, which is our national hockey show, make sure you check that out. Yeah, shout out. They did 24 hours, 24-hour trade deadline, okay? Baby steps here. I'm not saying we'll do 24 hours. What I'm considering if we get the interest, if we get the numbers, and by the way, I'm going to, I'll be careful with my verb choice. I was going to use a different word of verb choice. I will pump myself out here.

Or if we get the advertisers, so here, like, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Day three of the draft, that's like a seven-hour thing, maybe, right? Because I was going to say day one, but day one, we have to be at no, like logistically, Howie Roseman, Nick Siriani, they talk. We have to be over at Novocare. Day two, the first round pick gets introduced before, so we're going to be at NovaCare.

We can't. We're about 12, 15 minutes away, but, you know, we do it. I think day two, we should be, we should be live for the whole second round. Yeah, okay, that's fine. No, but second round, okay. And second round is a good, like, what, three hours or so. But day three, you're looking at from like noon to six. Day three is a marathon.

And you're not having the natural, like, there's guys being drafted who we probably didn't do as much work on. Day one, I can give you 10 minutes and know on everyone taking day one. Like, I mean, I could host solo day one if I wanted to. All right, let's see it. I think that'd be fun. Challenge accepted. Yeah, if I'm saying, day three, if we get the audience and, you know, go to your local stores, go to your local restaurants, say, I love P-H-L-Y. And you guys should really advertise on PHLY, okay?

Sign up for diehard, come to our events, and we'll make it work. A matter of fact, maybe there's like a local bar that wants to have us there, something like that. You can come see us. We can bring you on the set. We can interview you. This is the way we did. We got the Andre Swift paid. We got Zaire Franklin paid.

We can get you. I mean, I'm going to say we can get you paid. I can't speak for your bosses. But, yeah, you know, this is fun. and I don't want to speak for Julia and Chris but yeah I've had a good time here okay well my question is what are we doing tomorrow

we're doing four hours again tomorrow I don't know what that was I don't think we need to do Chris's logo no no no I think we should I think we should do the telethon thing tomorrow I would hope the people watching us are already die hard I think after the first hour of the show tomorrow which starts at noon

and presumably you know and And to be fair, if the Eagles do something tonight, we will do an emergency pod. Same thing for the morning. But I say at the end of the hour tomorrow, we start holding the show hostage for diehard signups. Yes, yes. 20 minutes at a time. No, look, I mean, I acknowledge that, you know, everyone has different budgets, right? We want to be mindful of that.

I want to be respectful of that. I understand it's a big investment. But yeah, we appreciate it and we'll deliver. And by the way, like Bose Top 100. That is awesome. We can talk about all these players based on Bose Top 100. You do a little refresher. I follow the Flyers.

What did I write about Sequin? Go ahead. I follow the Flyers. But I don't know the Flyers the way I know the Sixers and the Phillies. But when I read Charlie's stuff, like, Man, you know, I know everything going on. It was like Charlie's trade deadline grades last week. In Die Hard, that was awesome.

Bodner and Neubach, man. They're killing it. Bonner retired. So, yeah. So, yeah, die hard. We got a good staff in place. And, you know, we're working to give you good content. All the Colts are keeping more of their own resigning Grover Stewart to a three-year, $39 million deal.

Oh, man. Football Twitter is going to love that. They're a big Grover Stewart guys. Grover Stewart, most overrated player in football. Wow. Wow. You save your take for here. Here's what I wrote about Saquan.

I said, imagine Barclay in a good offense. Thanks in part to his surrounding personnel, Barclay ranks 29th out of 34 qualifying running backs in rushing success rate over the past two seasons. But if you're searching for explosiveness to take advantage of the Eagles running back friendly offense, parentheses, will that still be the case? If Jalen Hertz runs less and Jason Kelsey is gone, Barclay would be fun. Almost definitely out of the Eagles price range, but fun. So not out of the price range,

but we will have some fun with it as time goes on. I'll rip on the Giants one more time here, okay, because I know you have had fun with that. A bit that I don't like in the NFL is when, like, coaches and GMs overrate their own evaluation ability. Like, they just go back to guys, that they've drafted her coach before, right? Devin Singletary was drafted by Joe Shane,

was coached by Brian Dey. And I liked Singletary coming out. I mean, I remember at the Combine, oh, Gus Edwards, by the way, it's going to the Chargers. Hardballs love of Gus Edwards. Chargers love a Gus Bus. Yes.

But, yeah, you can't, like, like sometimes you're anchor to previous evaluations. And I know I make that joke all the time. I like this guy coming out. I'm also not a GM. I wouldn't necessarily just go with guys that I drafted in the past. So that's the old Chip Kelly bias. Gus Edwards, that's the Joe Hortiz.

That's true. That's true. Gus bus there. There you go. All right. Unless in the next 40 seconds, the Eagles do something. That is going to do it for this marathon episode of the P.H.L.Y. Eagles podcast. We will be back tomorrow at next.

We will be back for an emergency pod if something happens over the next 19 and a half hours. And I guess that'll do it. If you're thinking of becoming a diehard, don't sign up just yet. Wait until 103 tomorrow. We can sign up now. You can sign up now. No, you don't. I'll tell you what, yeah.

If you sign up tonight, screenshot it, and that will count for tomorrow's show. So every sign-up we get tonight, screenshot the time code that you have, and we will add 20 minutes onto tomorrow's show for every die-hard sign-up we get. I didn't agree to that. Before 1 o'clock. And as Nervous Nolan says, the more Zee-B personal life talk, the more people want. I am not talking about honey ever again on this show. Nor I miss the end-of-and-fine.

I find that hard to believe. But nor pineapple either. Okay. All right. Well, that'll do it for this episode. Thanks to everybody for watching and listening. That was a lot of fun. We will talk to you tomorrow.

The Eagles, adding Bryce Huff and Sequin Barkley, a very exciting start to the legal tampering period for the Eagles. We will be back and stay tuned to all p.hly.com because we'll have written content too, as Zach wants you to know. Thanks for listening, and we will talk to you tomorrow. Thanks to Julia and Chris for making it all happen. And as always, we love you.