PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | Philadelphia Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie explains why he retained Nick Sirianni, outlook ahead

Episode Date: March 26, 2024

ORLANDO –– Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie spoke for what is typically the only time all year. What did he have to say about the decision to keep Nick Sirianni, the ousting of Sean Desai in favor of Matt Patricia, the arc of Jalen Hurts’ progress and the future of the team? Zach Berman and Bo Wulf are on the scene at the NFL’s league meetings to bring you the scoop. Two scoops even. With sprinkles and a cherry on top. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

To the P. H.L. Yagles podcast Tuesday, March 26th, 5 p.m. at the tail end of the second and final day of the NFL's league meetings here in Orlando, Florida. Bo Wolf, Zach Berman, we're going to talk about Nick Siriani's breakfast at 7.45 in the morning. What did he say? What did he not say about maybe projected starters along the offensive line? Is that a story? Is it not? Then at about 210, 210, 215, we heard from, from Jeffrey Lurie for what is usually the only time all year. He spoke for about 35 to 40 minutes on a wide variety of topics. Why did he keep Nick Siriani? What's going to happen in Brazil? What does he make of the changes to the coaching staff? All that stuff. Lots to talk about Zach Berman.

How are you doing? Doing great. Excited for the show. I want to make sure that I have energy. I have juice. This is a big show. We hear from Jeffrey Lurie once a year. here we are we're we're on site but was firing questions in i was trying to sneak a few questions

in we had some questions what are you talking about yeah it was uh it was a good day it's been a productive two days here and i'm excited to discuss it with our audience i have i have a a working theory just based on like the reaction or lack of reaction i saw on twitter to jeffre leary speaking do you think that uh the geoffrey lorry press conference means more and matters more to the beat reporters than it does to the fans. Well, I think most... The fans are more interested in hearing from Howie. No, I actually think...

It's a good question, Beau. It's a good question. I think that the timing of it is what... Is what maybe bothers the fans. It's like, this is why sometimes teams like kick something down the road, because, you know, if Jeffrey Lurie explained in January why Nick Siriani was coming back,

it would be of the utmost interest to the fan base, right? They would want the same answers that he gave on March 26th. If he gave those answers on January 26th, they'd be huge. But now it's like people, whether they wanted Siriani back or they didn't want Seriani back, they kind of accepted it,

and they've moved on to what's this roster going to look like and what's the draft going to be next year. But, I mean, there was a, three, four, five week period there where Shiriani's future, should he stay, should he go? Was it right to keep him? Like that was the topic.

And so if Jeffrey Lurie had said then what he said today, yeah, I think it probably would have had more buzz among the fan base. All right. Well, let's get into it. Let's waste no time. I think we should start with Jeffrey Lurie and let's just work our way through the press conference chronologically and touch on the things that he said. and then we'll get to Siriani after that.

Does that work for you? Absolutely. I'm following your lead here. And that's a good matter. Let's start with a lunch that we had yesterday with several of the other beat reporters covering the Eagles here. And the topic was, you know, what are we going to hear from Jeffrey Lurie? You know, what are some of the questions that need to be asked? How, you know, how could we ask it in a way of getting a good response or like what's a, what's a thing that he might not want?

want to talk about, what might he want to talk about, and just some predictions of what he's going to say. And you need to know, like, who's been paying attention to Jeffrey Lurie the most over the years? Who knows what his agenda is going to be when he sits up there? And what does Zach Berman say at that table, at that, that Knights of the Roundtable with all the, you know, the iron-penned writers of Philadelphia, Zach says, I bet you that he is going to start by referencing the passing of Chris Mortensen. And what does he do? He starts with referencing the passing of Chris Mortensen as a lover of journalism, a longtime sports fan.

That's how I got into it. He begins his press conference with paying respect to one of the greats in Mort. Yeah, well, first of all, that was very nice of Jeffrey Lorry. And the sentiment he had about Peter King, also very nice. And, yeah, I think those are all genuine sentiments. He does care quite a bit about, you know, sports media like, I mean, Will McDonough was someone that he always held in high esteem. But I'll be self-deprecating here, but it's probably accurate. So you know that scene that you reference in the past of Mad Men when they're on the elevator.

And he says, he says, I don't. don't think about you, right? I'm the opposite with Jeffrey Lorry, Howie Roseman, Nixiriani. Like the amount of time that I spend thinking about them and what they're thinking and what they're doing, it would probably freak the crap out of them. Right? So, yeah, I, I'm not just them. I would say most people.

Most people, yeah. I probably devote too much of my bandwidth, if you will. to what's going on in their minds. And I'm guilty as charged. And not even what's going on in their minds, but just like knowing the tropes of the things that they say and how they say it. Yeah, like I would I would like to think that that makes me a good reporter. One could also argue can make me like a sorry individual.

It certainly depends on the context. But nonetheless, yeah, I do take, yeah, I do think I have. a good read on what Jeffrey would say. An early birthday shoutout in the chat to Sumac, who is a sicko and

watches and listens as he falls asleep. So Sumac, wake up, dude! Nice. There you go. Happy birthday. All right.

So the first, and then after paying respect to Mort and Peter King and mentioning Peter Gamens, who was alive, he... Very much alive.

He references is Jason Kelsey and Fletcher Cox and talks about the contribution as they've made over the course of their careers, obviously. And the first question is posed just generally about why did you bring back Nick Siriani? And he gives a very long answer here about all the things that they looked in to. Obviously, he was not happy. He was, as we all saw on the screen, about how unhappy he was about the arc of the close. of the Eagles season.

What did you make of the things he said here as he talked through the decision-making process to bring back Nick Siriani? Yeah, it really sounded as if Siriani's commitment to changing the coaching staff. Now, he kind of talked about the ideas of changing the coaching staff, but that Siriani's plan for how to fix this was what appealed to Jeffrey based on his explanation. We obviously aren't in the room. and he's at ample time to kind of workshop this. But he, his whole, if I can cut you off quickly.

In talking about this, he basically says that Nick brought him the idea of getting Fangio. And at the time, Vic Fangio is still an employee of the Miami Dolphins. Is that tampering? Well, I'm sure they, you know, I'm sure they're all in the same circles. The, I think we had spoken on the show. about you know we hear some weird things about Vic Fangio what if he gets let loose so but but to you know four days after the season bring it into the meeting like i think i can get Vic sure yeah they still had a playoff game right they were still playing kansas city at that point

no that's that's that's a good point uh but yeah something i'll just a thing that occurred to me nothing more his his emphasis too is is that he doesn't want recency bias or latency bias. Which is actually an interesting way of putting it. And he wants to take a look at what happened during the season, but the entire history over Siriani's years, he cited this 31 and 7 record that Siriani had in the 38 games before the collapse. And he didn't want to judge Siriani just by those last seven games, right, as opposed to those 38 games that came before. And, yeah, but we'll get to what he said about the season. I mean, he was not shy about how disappointed he was in the season.

But he still thinks that those characteristics he liked about Siriani, the ability to connect, the authenticity, the work ethic, the football intelligence. He thinks all of those are present. He even said, like, the reasons that he hired Siriani and the reasons why Siriani was successful. And they were kind of magnified. Like, those didn't go away. The authenticity, the connection, the work ethic. Yeah.

And the frustration of the season. So, look, one could say did those skills atrophy, you know, just because you did it? Does that mean you're going to do it? But he really did emphasize the plan that Nick had of. wanting to improve the offense. The story that he is telling is that he was unhappy and he was looking deeply into the question of whether to retain Nick Siriani. And Nick Siriani came in and was appropriately committed to changing a lot of things

about the way that he was running the team on the football field. And that caught Jeffrey, you know, that hooked him, right? The story he is telling is that this was not necessarily an easy decision going in, but Nick made it an easy decision. And in the end, he had no qualms moving forward. I think we can probably agree that that's not the whole truth. And he doesn't, you know, he doesn't have to tell us the whole truth. And this is one where you can sort of weed around some of the things that he does say. And a couple answers later when Tim McManus asked him about like what did contribute to the losing down the stretch.

he talks about how even when they were 10 and 1 he was like well how are we doing this we don't seem like a 10 and 1 team we're not playing like a 10 and 1 team uh and that i thought was was really telling because he can he can throw out the 37 and 9 or whatever the record is before the quote unquote collapse and that's fine that's good that's good PR but like the truth is he knows that that team was not that good even though they were winning those those close games and so we all saw it on his face in the in the playoff game like like he was committed to serious changes, and Siriani came in to that meeting committed to serious changes as well. Yeah, I thought in his discussion about last season, what was interesting was comparing it to the 49ers and the Chiefs in particular. And he talked about how the 49ers and the Chiefs had resiliency, that they both went through bumps in their season, right? There was a point in the year with Kansas City in particular,

when it's like, man, have the Chiefs lost the fastball, right? but both those teams were resilient and Eagles were not resilient and he was kind of adamant about that. So I thought that was an interesting framing, right? There are obviously ingredients that go into that, but I thought that was a good framing. I thought his, as far as kind of the action plan, the way that Jeffrey spoke about killing more, like shows this was clearly they were talking about coordinator candidates, right? And he put that on Nick as well. He said that was Nick's top choice.

Yeah. And whether, you know, if that was Nick's top choice or if that was the choice recommended to him. If it was Nick's top choice, it's certainly convenient that Kellyn Moore actually interviewed for the job that Nick has. You know, back in 2021. And, you know, the brain trust for the Eagles, if you will, Jeffrey Lurie, Howie Roseman, they knew Kellynne Moore. They thought highly of Kellynne Moore from that. encounter. But the yeah, the the composition of the staff was important. The idea of becoming more creative of becoming more innovative. And you know, kind of I'm putting a few

questions together here. But when Jeff McLean asked him about well like, you know, why would you go with a coach who's not calling plays and or have you ever had a coach who's not Kong plays and it's like not his offensive system. Jeffrey actually pointed out that outside of Chip Kelly, he's never hired a coach with previous play Kong experience. Now, the difference there, of course, is that Andy Reed called plays when he got the Philly.

Doug Peterson called plays when he got the Philly, right? Nixiriani called plays for a few weeks. I think he's right that those were not preconditions of their hiring. Yeah. Right. So basically his whole point is, yeah, is that he's not hiring a.

play caller. I don't have the exact terminology in front of me, but he said it well. He said they're responsible for the play calling, but they don't have to be the one doing the play calling. Exactly. Yeah. So I look, it's it's a cogent point. And I mean, I'll give Jeffrey credit for this. He's he's had press conferences in the past where like he says what? I think we got a I think we got a live chat from Reed. That is. Yeah. I was I was waiting for a time to interject but yeah the 507 yes all right hi and also 507 he said hey there dad um yeah yeah reads reads watching right now he's my man my my wife's my wife's texting me right now saying can you read reach chats and i didn't want to disrupt the flow of our conversation

now we got the whole chat saying hi to read this is great yeah he's pumped yeah my my six-year-old son is he's getting really into this. Like he asked me yesterday, I facetined him and he says, he says, who was the worst coach you talked to today? Oh, great question. Yes.

Yeah. And then he saw me wearing my pass and he said, he said he wants my pass when I get home. And I said, all right, yeah, I'll give you the pass. Who was the worst coach you talked to yesterday?

Well, Andy reads the best coach, but like he was the worst in terms of answers. Wow. Like, yeah, I mean, I didn't think Annie's answers were very, like, you know, they didn't move the needle for me per se. But he's the best coach that I spoke with. But anyways. Dennis Allen, maybe. I don't know.

I didn't speak to Dennis Allen yesterday. I spoke to Shane. I felt bad. I was like, I is the sixth person as Shane probably about Nick Collin plays. And by that point, he was, or Nick seeding the offense. By that point, he was, he was done with it. But yeah, so in circling back to the what I'll give Nick or I'll give Jeffrey Lurie credit for this. He said press conferences in the past that we've that we've discussed and that we've referenced where he says some things where it's like the level of spin or or maybe not even spin.

Like the interpretation of facts kind of seems generous. Yeah, generous. I didn't think today that was the case. Now there was certainly like his, it might have been a sanitized version of events, but everything he said today, I thought seemed plausible, right? It's not like, well, that does not add up whatsoever.

Right. And it was, it was all, like for instance, the thing from a couple years ago, right, when he's talking about his memory of the times he stepped in the draft and the only times he's ever put his, try to put his finger on the pulse or on the on the scale was lane johnson and jorda mylotta and rosa wilson like that's come on that's yeah that's it's a little bit offensive in in the storytelling of just not telling the truth whereas like the actual mechanics of what happened with

you know interviewing nick syriani for his job at the at the end of the season like he it does him no good to tell us the full truth there he can he can tell us his version of events there and and opened things up into interpretation. And I did not think that there was anything he said today that was like confounding in its like obvious lack of truth. Yeah, no, I would agree with that. Yeah, I thought it was, like I said, I thought everything he said was fairly plausible.

And a lot of the things that he should say. Like, Nick Siriani is his employee. He shouldn't be throwing Nick Siriana under the bus. But on the topic of Siriani, It was a good question from Elliot. It was one on my list about Siriani's sideline demeanor. What did you make of Jeffrey Lurie's answer? Well, this is, and this is another example of him being truthful because he said,

you know, he doesn't want to strip Nick Siriani of his authenticity. You want, you know, part of the things that make him as good as he is are the emotion and the competitiveness and the competitive zeal, as you might put at, Zach. and like that stuff is all great but there probably is a line that he doesn't need to cross that he sometimes crosses and he talked about like with in conjunction with the refs that that may hurt them and I thought that that was good and this is a you know it's a little bit like the way that how he talked about James Bradbury yesterday like he's willing to call out some of the things that we all know to be true and it was the same thing when I asked about the defensive coordinator

decision, you know, to fire Desai and, well, not fire him, but, you know, to make Matt Patricia the defensive coordinator. And he said, it didn't work. Obviously, it didn't work. Now, he then talked about how he appreciated that, you know, Seriani did not have the comfortability to stick with something if he didn't think it was working. And he talked to me, as we have heard the referencing back to his first season when he took the play calling away from himself and gave it to Shane Steichen.

Obviously, you and I think that those situations are. not exactly analogous. Yeah. And certainly the results speak for themselves on that front. But him just being willing to be like, it didn't work. And also the sideline stuff. Like he is willing to say a few things that we all know to be true that like, you know, Nick did not do well.

Yeah. And I thought the defense coordinator part like you mentioned was especially honest. That was that that was a question from you, correct? Yes. That was a good question. And yeah, that, like, like he was he was honest now i i don't i don't know if like nick nick firing to sigh uh or demoting to sigh rather is this great example of like bravery as a coach you know the audacity as a coach right

i mean especially because like it backfired um right and i don't know if the process was particularly sound either um for you know we have talked about it a lot but i would agree it was it was not just that the results were terrible it was at the The process there was terrible as well. Yeah. But like Jeffrey was on like Jeffrey didn't try to spin it. He's like it didn't work. Right.

And it's very clearly didn't work. And I always I always think of you in this is is that. Like I recognize in all these interactions that these guys aren't going to tell you the whole truth. Right. They're there are not under oath. It doesn't always serve their interest to tell the whole truth. But the quote, Bo Wolf like like don't pee on me and tell me it's raining. Right.

So, yeah, my son. And I didn't think that there was that tonight. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Right. Yeah. And a good point here in the chat from O'Dill Rules 201, which I, which I,

the same thing occurred to me that when, when the Eagles reporters were asking Shane Seichen about the Eagles offensive collapse yesterday, even Shane trotted out like, well, I'm, pretty sure they were a top 10 offense. The second year in a row. Like, at some point, Nick was like, hey, if you get asked us, mention we were a top that offense. Exactly. Yeah.

Yeah. Not good enough. Yeah. I heard a funny story that like, you know, someone was like, uh, who's that coach over there? He must have worked in Philly because there's like five Eagles reporters at his table. And then it was Shane Stuyken. Yeah.

All right. So moving on in the Lurie press conference, we have a question about Jill and Hertz. And, uh, Jeff McLean asked him about Jillen Hertz regression, which, you know, Jeffrey Lurie would not, you know, give credence to. And, you know, he's not standing young quarterback. He's talking about he was an MVP candidate last year. And again, like two-thirds of the way through the season this year, 25 years old. Now, this is the interesting thing.

As we look back on like the narrative arc of like what the Eagles are trying to tell this offseason, it's the same thing that Howie said at the end of season press conference, all of a sudden now Jalen Hertz is no longer. the most mature 24 year old we've all ever met and you know Jeffrey himself said it at last year's owners meetings now it's just

this is a 25 year old he's got a long way to go a long way to grow yeah that's actually not the part that I take the most of exception to with but I yeah you are right not even exception I just think it's interesting

that they have come back down from that right the talking point that I take the most exception to and look this is is a consistent organization on because we've heard that this now from seriani now geoffrey and i think howley might have said it is when they were 10 and 1 hertz was the front runner to win the mvp like are are you crowning week 11 MVP or like week 12 MVP's like that doesn't you know would you are you uh are you saying well this guy had had uh this this guy led the team to the best record in the first three months of the season.

Therefore, there's nothing to worry about. Like, was he, was he not the quarterback when they went six to seven? What, like, did he not, or lose six or seven? Did he not have costly turnovers? Like, there is a little, you know, you know, there's some kid gloves to it. And I get it, right? There's, there's personality dynamics here. There's a lot going on on the field.

There's a major investment in Jalen. And Jalen is a special player and, you know, a special person in that regard, right? Like there's, there's characteristics we've seen that very much give you the confidence. And I don't think last year was, was, I mean, it's not like Carson Wentz's regression, right? Like his, his, his down year was, was still, was still pretty good. But I do, I actually do find the, the, the word regression a little bit unfair to, yeah, he didn't have as good of a year. But it's not like he looked like a totally different player. I don't know.

I, I just don't like this idea. of like, well, in week 11, yeah, I agree. You know, he, he, he would have been, or if he just got the ball back in the Super Bowl, he would have been Super Bowl MVP. Like there's, I mean, to me, that's very much like that, that three-year narrative that the Eagles had,

well, if Alshan doesn't drop the pass, they go on and they win the Super Bowl, right? Or they go on to make the Super Bowl, like, come on. You know, let's, let's deal in reality. You can't just tell me. you can say that we're looking at the entire body of work, but don't tell me that this guy would have been the MVP. Like who wins the MVP based on what they do in September, October, November?

They always remember what you do in December. Good point. And, you know, with respect to Jalen Hertz, maybe the conversation is not, you know, what is the ceiling? We've seen the ceiling in the Super Bowl. Maybe the question is, what's the floor? And if you want to know what your floor is. Great transition.

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honest answer. It wasn't forceful. Yeah. Yeah. It was an honest. I thought that was an honest answer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, yeah. That might be it. Yeah, they always have to prove themselves. And it's interesting. It's interesting to juxtapose it, by the way, to Doug Peterson in 2020. I'm going into 2021 because if you recall that year when Jeffrey spoke about the difference in vision, one thing he said is that like Doug would need to maximize this season to keep his job, right?

And the Eagles needed to kind of take that step back. and those two things couldn't work in alignment. The Eagles are not in that position right now, right? I think that, like, Nick needs to maximize the season to keep his job, and the Eagles have the expectation that this is a season that can be maximized. And that's why they've made the moves that they've made, right? That's why they, yeah, I think there's a feeling in, I mean, I've received a few, like, questions. via social media about, you know, why weren't there more questions about Howie Roseman,

like putting this roster together. And I kind of got the distinct interpretation from what Jeffrey Lurie was saying because Jeffrey brought up Howie unsolicited. He's like, you guys haven't asked me this, but like this is something we've said all along. They're very much view this as a coaching thing. They don't view this as a. I think we actually probably should have asked that question, though, of, okay, yeah. Like, we've talked about Nick, but were there, were there any roster construction issues that you felt contributed to the collapse last season? We probably should have asked.

Yeah, but I mean, but like, he brought up unprompted, like, the way Howie. Yeah, I think we sort of know how Jeffrey feels about Howie. Yeah. But I think that that is probably a reasonable. I think we could, we could have done that. But my, but my point is, is that I think like, they view it, like, this is a roster that can win. I think they thought last year's roster could have been better than it was, right?

And that was a flawed roster, but it was a roster that won 11 games and that was, I mean, was in, you know, costly, they lost some games that they could have won late this season. And I think going into this year and we'll have ample time to talk about on this show and in future shows, like they, they think they got a lot of talent on this team. And so it's up to the coaching staff to maximize it. Yes. A question about Hassan Reddick, which I think we can gloss over. You know, he said something about he's a great Philadelphia guy. We think we'll have a good resolution there. We'll see how that goes.

He was also talking about the way that they structure contracts, gives them a strategic advantage over the rest of the league. Then you asked them about Sequin Barclay. And, you know, in conjunction with the way that he has always talked about the passing game being more important than the running game, Why is it that that Saquan Berkeley made sense for them? What did he say there? Yeah.

So there are two parts of this answer. That's interesting. One's kind of the Sequan talking point and the other is the way they're looking at the running back position. And one thing he says is that they're looking for market inefficiencies, right? Is there a position that's undervalued? Is there a position that's overvalued? And he actually used kind of like the X for Y comparison that we talked about on yesterday's show. He didn't mention like Darnell Mooney by name, but he said if this is the money that you're spending on Sequin and that same money is going to a player at a different position who's like not of Sequin's level, who would you rather give it to?

And as far as Sequin, he said they don't look at it as a running back. They look at it as like an all purpose back and Sequin's ability to catch the ball. Sequan's ability, just to how he's the exception is kind of the way they frame it. They keep bringing up LaShawn McCoy and Brian Westbrook. I wrote this. We talked about it. I'll say quickly, I think this is false equivalency. LaShaul McCoy was 24 years old when they gave him a contract extension.

Brian Westbrook had never had more than 250 touches in a season when they gave him a contract extension. Whereas. And it's two guys in 20 years. Yeah. And Sequin Parkless had three seasons with over, you know, 250 touches. And he's going into his age 27 seasons. So they're really counting on Sequin to be exceptional. And I think that's – but I think the first part of the answer is – was a big focus here.

And how he mentioned that maybe the pendulum has swung too far in the other way with running backs. I saw Jeffrey – or I'm sorry, I saw Joe Banner tweet something when the Eagles signed Seacuan that you have to look at like when you look at percentage of the salary cap it's it's pretty low relative to like what you think of that type of contract for a running back and I think that's how how they saw it I think they saw um I want to call it an inefficiency but I think that there's like a they view it like there's a market correction almost at that position coming and that for a player like Sequin this is a reasonable price to pay Just bouncing around, I think, a few of these things we've already covered.

You asked him about Brazil. What did he say there? Yeah. Yeah, the Brazil thing, I was curious of, you know, I might have framed it in a way that was a little too like, you know, forgiving. Or I wouldn't even say forgiving. But anyways, like, I've asked him multiple times over the years about international games. And you always make that joke with me. Like, he mentions some city.

I forget the city's name. I forget what it was. I ask him this all the time. And his point in the past was like, they're really interested in this. They don't want to give up home games. And the league changes that rule, basically. Well, they make the rule that you have to give a home game once every eight years.

And they added the game. Yeah. Yeah. And so he said, all right, well, if they're going to go international, here's a chance to, like, be the first team to go to South America. you know, they thought that was a good opportunity for it. And now they're kind of, they don't have to give up a home game over the next eight seasons, right? So that it sounded as if, and correct me if I'm wrong, it sounded as if they wanted to be the Brazil game as opposed to like the, now we don't know the order of operations.

Maybe the league came to them and they were agreeable to it. But it sounded like this wasn't something that they offered much resistance. to like this is something that that interested geoffrey i mean i think he's generally interested in it but i also think this is one where he he's not going to say something else he's not if he if he didn't want this game he's not going to say i tried to get out of this game and i wasn't able to right yeah true and my understanding is like there are a lot of logistical issues with this trip for the eagles that the organization itself is is a little bit worried about so but uh geoffrey in these settings. He always kind of, he likes to talk about big picture football stuff when he can.

And he was kind of honest that football has a lot of work to do internationally, right? That like it's the most popular sport in America by a wide margin. But that's not the case internationally. And they need to make strides. And the Eagles have international territory rights in Australia, New Zealand, and Ghana. Right. Now, I'm not anticipating a game in Ghana in the near future. I'm not anticipating gaming New Zealand in the near future.

I could see one in Australia in the next, you know, I can see like the next time they give a home game, maybe eight years from now is in Australia. But let's start prepping now, PHLI, right? But, but yeah, I... Going back to Adelaide. Yeah, I put it, I kind of felt like, from my perspective, I've asked him this question.

You know, some people ask the Kelly Green question for all these years. Like, you can't ask it anymore. I've asked the international football question to him three or four times. And now they're finally hosting a game. I felt like, all right, you know, I should use, I don't want to say use a bullet. I should use one of my pitches here on that. I asked him about Dom just because they were talking about the sideline. And he called him one of the outstanding executives in the NFL.

So hopefully Dom's got a raise coming up. dumb bit i mean i i i don't know if dom needs a raise as much as he needs a marketing agent because he's like he's he's he's as popular as anyone on the team right now yeah right exactly yeah a super chat from nathan says please tell howie to stop using the phrase tools in his body Nathan thinks it's weird and he's the only one who does it why can he be normal and just say physical tools or athleticism okay yeah i don't have some problem with that though like we can say tools in his body and then it's an x-ray and there's like there's like a wrench in the you know it's like a operation if if if if if like I say before the next press conference every next time i see

howie howley by the way Nathan just wants you to stop saying tools in it in his in his body could you do nays and a solid there yeah um no i look it's some people have expressions that they go back to all the time i'm certainly guilty of it uh myself uh when i i i will i have a three hour drive tomorrow. I'm going to listen to the show back. And I imagine there are going to be things that I cringe at for expressions that I overuse. But that is one of how it uses quite a bit. I gave a shout out to Michael Clay for the special teams.

And also in because of that, Siriani for like having the, um, he got his facts wrong. He got his facts wrong. He did. Nick Siriani did not inherit. Yeah. He didn't pick Michael Clay, perhaps. Michael Clay was Michael Clay was Michael Clay. was brought to the staff.

Yes. Not necessarily like, Siriani didn't know Michael Clay. He was like the one guy on the staff who he didn't know. But yeah, he did not inherit him, but he did think that he was a very good coach. Yeah.

And, you know, stuck with it. And there he is. And he saw the fruits of that. And that's part of the reason he said, I really, like I trust Nick and I trust Howie. That was like his underlying message in that answer.

And a quick tease. I don't know if we'll get to it today, but something that on the show with Rich Hoffman tomorrow. we're going to discuss is, you know, these these rule changes. Michael Clay is going to, he's going to have an important job here, right? I mean, the kickoff change is really going to change the dynamic of kickoff returns. And it could be a big play in the league. So I'm eager to hear Michael Clay's thoughts on it.

Yes. And, yeah, I will let you and Rich talk about that over the course of the rest of the week. But I'm excited to see how that plays out. I imagine from talking to some people around the league, like you can play like some of your defensive starters on that play because it's, you don't have to run down the field, right? Sure. At least when you're in coverage. And that's what Jeffrey said today, too, by the way. When he was talking about, when he talked about the kickoff rule, he didn't say defensive starters, but he says it basically becomes like an offensive or defensive play now.

Right. Yeah. And he said the thing to what we talked about yesterday about, like, credit to the league for acting on these things. when they see an issue. So he sort of brushed aside the tampering accusation on the Saquan-Barkley front. Trust the league's process, but they've got nothing to worry about.

This was sort of like the end. People were just sort of checking the boxes. Isaiah Rogers. They expect to be back at some point. The kickoff rule. Streaming. You and I disagree about this? Yeah.

I think this is just making things more difficult for people. but they got to make their money. Look, I should just, I should clarify. I do agree it makes it more difficult, right? Like I was trying to find something the other day, you know, in the hotel, it's much hard. You know, when you're at home, you have all your like streaming networks or whatever on, you know, in a hotel. I was trying to find something. It was, it was much harder.

I'm just saying, like I said, this is how content is consumed. And we should say, by the way, the league announced that the season opener, in Brazil is going to be on peacock. Now, if you're in the Philadelphia area, you'll be able to watch it on NBC. But I know we have audience all around the country. And you will, if you're not in the Philly area, you will need to be a peacock subscriber or go to like a sports bar or something like that to watch the Eagles game against either the Packers or the Browns. Yes.

I'm still hoping we get Michael done on that speedo. but is that a thing you wear speedos in brazil i think it's you're allowed to okay you're welcome to yeah i i will pass on that yeah not if you want the numbers to rise uh i don't know about that but all right uh last thing i think we should we should talk about in terms of just his answers unless you want to have a general overall thought was the uh the Philadelphia, like the arena situation. What was this? His tea there?

Yeah. So that's it. So, you know, we were talking about this at lunch yesterday, actually. And the Phillies, John Middleton announced last week that the Phillies are joining Comcast back to the core with, you know, the proposed project in South Philadelphia for like, you know, the mixed use and kind of the whole, I mean, the renderings look amazing, although I'm skeptical here because I'm, I'm skeptical here. I once saw renderings of Xfinity Live that look a lot different than it is now. But yeah, but the Phillies are joining forces. And so are the Eagles doing it? And because obviously the Eagles have considerable cloud.

And he says they're always kind of corresponding with affiliates in Comcast and that, you know, they consider themselves partners in the stadium complex, but they're not involved in that project. He says they have eight to nine years or so on their lease and they have to do what's best for the Eagles. And so that's, that's interesting. That's something that we will need to follow up on, right? Does that mean, does that mean a new stadium? Does that mean, you know, they're, I forget which stadium it is, but there's one that's being redone that was opened in 99. And that's only three years before the link open.

I believe that's a great rich. Yeah, so the Browns, which were an expansion franchise in 99, they had a new stadium then. And they actually made, similar to the Eagles, they made a lot of renovations. Like when Joe Banner was there, they made renovations to it. But I saw today a report that they are purchasing land kind of in the Cleveland suburbs to build, you know, a potential dome and like a mixed use around it. And that seems to be like if you follow stadium construction and that kind of thing. And I do, I, I follow it with a certain degree of interest. It's a little bit of a constructionophile.

No, I'm curious about stadiums. That's like the, I've heard and seen a lot of people kind of point to what the Atlanta Braves did with Battery Park, what the Patriots have done, with Patriot Place where you have the stadium, but then like the team also has all this stuff around the stadium that's that like they control and they try to make it a destination. I mean, that's in essence what the Sixers are trying to do, right, on Nathan Market. So I, frankly, don't know what the Eagles plans are, but it's something that we should definitely monitor here in the next. Look, there's a lot of time on their lease here. And I'm not saying this is what they're going to do, but Jeffrey did say they had to do what's best for the Eagles. All right. Well, if you want to get tickets in 10 years to an Eagles game in,

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Yeah, just don't put hentai at the end. Hans Gruber, okay? He's a fictional character and main antagonist of Die Hard. I've never seen Die Hard. So, um, she's on that. It's a great movie. Yeah, yeah, it's a Christmas movie, right? Well, that's a big debate.

Yeah, I'm aware of the debate. Okay. Anything else on Jeffrey Lurie that you would like to talk about? Well, we mentioned Jalen quickly when you spoke about the maturity angle of it, right? And the thing he did say, because it was asked like, does Jellon need to become a more, you know, outgoing leader, if you will? Especially now that Kelsey and Cox aren't there. And he said that Jellon needs to be his authentic self. but like people do grow up.

And then the Cox Kelsey thing, you know, he said they're going to honor them in the near future. I didn't know what that would entail. I didn't know if that means. Look, like we, I think it's safe to say no one's going to wear 62 again, right? I imagine no one wears 91 again. That would be very funny if they held 87 for so long. No, but no, but like the, I mean, there are some numbers. They haven't given out Lashamakoi's number, but it's not officially retired.

Yeah. I imagine Kelsey. he's officially retired. Like they will, yeah, the 62, I imagine they officially retired that, similar to like the last guy they retired was McNabb and Dawkins. And so, but, you know, we've talked about this. The Eagles, the Eagles can't keep retiring numbers because they're going to run out. Right. If they're going to do 62 and 91 and 55 and then.

Yeah. They're not giving out nine. They're not giving out nine. Like, you know, CJ Gardner Johnson, he wore. Or he picked number eight because that was actually the last single digit available to get. Now number seven might soon be available. That's not a Redick jersey. But yeah, you got like, this is like I would have, look, the Eagles have a great equipment staff.

They do an awesome job. And I actually did a piece back in 2016 on how players get their numbers. And it's like a real kind of complicated process at times. But I wouldn't have given 10 to Braden Man. I would have said, like, there's probably a high-profile player who's going to want 10. Yeah. I'll give you, like, a 38 or like, you know, a 46 or something like, you know, 40. Yeah.

You can change in the off season, though, right? You don't have to do the release. Yeah. Yeah, but like, why's man going to change? I mean, he's already got it, you know? I mean, does he want to keep his job? Well, he just got an extension. Well, I know, but.

Yeah, but that, but like the 10's a premium number. Maybe that was, maybe that was in the, in the details of the contract. You don't know that. Yeah, that's true. True. So anyways. But yeah, no, I did burn the last question because I wrote down, like, on my laptop when he said that. Yeah.

Yeah, what are they doing specifically for it? And I didn't, I didn't know. I probably would have announced it at the top. So I probably shouldn't have burned a question on it. But I was curious if they had something specifically planned. I thought it was generally, I thought it was a good, a good Jeffrey Lerner performance today. Yeah, I would agree. I would know.

Yeah, he only does it once a year. So like, you know, the stakes are high, but I thought he was good. And I tend to think that, and I said this afterwards to a few people, like Nick Siriani, really nice guy, like Nick. But you can talk to Nick for 30 minutes and say, like, I'd learn three things, right? I mean, Jeffrey Lurie, it's much more substantive. Yeah, but I also, I don't know how much we actually truly learned. from Jeffrey Lurie, but just to be able to hear from him.

Sure, sure. Okay. Is important. Speaking of that, we talked to Nick Sierra Nia this morning. We have some of the highlights from that with the full answers there on our YouTube page if you want to watch that and get the nitty gritty yourself. But it actually seemed like the most interesting thing to come out of this, Zach. And you tell me whether this is a thing or not a thing, was a question you asked about the right guard situation and like where do they stand at right guard?

And Nick brings up Matt Hennessy and some of the young guys who haven't had a chance and are going to get a chance to play. And does it mention Tyler Steen? Is this the case of it's 745 in the morning? The man was at the party last night. He's answering questions from all different areas, bouncing back and forth between, you know, Kellen Moore and Vic Fangio and Hassan Reddick.

and all of a sudden here's a question of my right guard. Tyler Steen just slept his mind. Or is this indicative of maybe Tyler Steen is not the front runner at right guard right now? Yeah, I think both can be true. And like I'll tell you will,

I do think there's a degree of what you said. He's up there. He's getting a bunch of different questions. He's tired. Like there's no flow to this. And, And a name just kind of slips his mind. You know, I once asked, I think it was about left guard to Doug Peterson.

And he mentioned like Jason Peters and Jason Kelsey. And he did not once mention like Matt Tobin who was, or I'm sorry, not Matt Tobin, Alan Barber who was like expected to be there. Left Guard, I believe it was. But anyways, the flip side of this is if you say to me, you know, who's like your starting out, you know, you're starting shortstop on your fantasy baseball team, right? Like, um, I, I, I, I, I wouldn't tell you it's Bobby Witt, right? Like, I could, um, if someone's front of mind, you got a bit of a thing for Bobby Witt.

Yeah. But if, if someone's front of, like, the fact that he didn't even jog, like jog to mind and he gave like a four minute answer, like, you know, but. When has he not given a four minute answer? But I will give him the benefit of doubt that he meant to include. But I look. Yeah, I mean, this is like part of it. This is one of the most ridiculous parts of the job is like spending a lot of time parsing an answer that somebody gives when it could, you know, if you were to parse something that you or I said for four minutes, you could pick it apart in all these different ways.

And it might be something and it might not be anything. But I did think that it was interesting that like Nick Ciorani must be going to bed at night thinking about his offensive line. And if that was the case and Tyler Steen is in his mind as the. right guard next season, I think that he would have mentioned Tyler Steen. And so, yeah. And so to build off that, if let's say we give him the pass on on my question, he meant to say Tyler Steen, right? Jeff McClain follows up. Do you view Tyler Steen as a guard? And if this is the guy who's you're expecting to be your right guard, you're like, I mean, yeah, like we're going to get, you know, he's, he's going to be in this mix at at right guard. Even when that follow-up question came up,

Nick was like, well, he's a guard or attack. You know, he's versatile. We like versatility. Jeff Stallon's going to pick the guys that he likes them in the third round last year. Yeah. And the reality is this. They, they had a chance to start him last year and they started Sue Opeta over him.

And this was someone who was effectively the Eagle's second round pick. I know he's not their second round pick, right? He was top of the third round. But they trade, you know, he was their, he was their third draft pick last year. Let's put it that way. He was their top pick on day two of the draft. Okay. So I shouldn't say effectively their second round pick because if you're either a second round pick or you're not.

But he was a high third round pick who was drafted with the expectation of like developing into a guy who could start. That was the thought on draft day. That's a pretty high pick, right? And so one would think that not just what, he'd be in the mix, he'd be the frontrunner for it. And he would kind of be front of mind for that. So, yeah, we can kind of, I guess, on March 26th, and happy birthday in my brother, Matt, it's his birthday, by the way.

Oh, happy birthday, Matt. Yeah. But on March 26th, we can say, all right, Nick, you got a pass. Like, you know, a lot going on this morning. But this is something where's the second oldest of the Bermans. Second oldest of the Bermans after Josh, yep. But this is something that I'm definitely keeping in the back of my head that first, rep of the all season program um or of the office you know of the o'tas who's who's who's who's who's

right guard um i would hope you know if it's not tether steen that's a story unless they drafts one in the first round i agree yeah josh matt zach Alex nick jenna correct yep bang yeah uh anything else from nix eriani um um sequan barclay continuing the uh And we said this in our in our video before that he's kind of comparing it to when they acquired AJ Brown where like they go back and they put plays in the offense for that specific player to accentuate him. And like that's that's how they're viewing it now. The pro like Sequant Barkley argument wasn't fortified when he was asked about them caring about a running back because he's like we in the, you know, in the past two years.

By running backs. We had pro ball running backs each of the past two years. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. that's the point. That's the point is that you have a top, you know,

top offense with guys who you replace each year, right? And so maybe you don't need one that you're spending $13 million on, but perhaps that elevates you to a different level. Yeah, the, the, the, the coordinator dynamics was the other thing I think we should talk about. You know,

he was asked about Kellyn Moore and how they're going about building out that offense. And he said that like the process itself is not too different, but he said he is not in those meetings all the time. He has other responsibilities. And so Kellen Moore is putting the offense together. You know, he's a part of that process. Siriani is, but he is not the main guy.

And then he was also asked about how much, you know, power does Vic Fangio have? How much autonomy does he have over the defense? And he's like, uh, it makes me doing a long time. Like, you know, Jonathan Gannon and Sean Desai were both sort of first time coordinators. to say I had one year under his experience. But like this guy's been doing it a long time. I'm going to talk to him about some situational stuff that I care about. But other than that, like that's Vick's show.

Yeah, I agree with you there. And that's that's very clearly expressed about Vic. And you're curious, the autonomy that Kellan Moore has. But like he said, he's the captain of the ship, if you will. So that's that's the expression for Kellyn Moore. One other thing, and this might be more interesting than me than it is to everyone else or to the fan base, but I am tracking what is different this year because one thing, if you recall, Nick Siriani said early in the season, like maybe they need to play their guys more in the preseason, right, when they were a little rusty.

And he said like, you know, they're going to reevaluate how after the Patriots game, he said that. They're going to reevaluate the way they do the preseason. And one thing I was curious about is if they're going to do anything different. different in the off-season program. Like, they, they practiced the least amount of any team in the NFL last year. They didn't take advantage. They didn't have a mandatory minicamp. They didn't take advantage of their full allotment of OTAs.

Like, those are legitimate practice opportunities that you can get that they said, you know, that they felt they're getting the work they needed. They had a long season. I thought that was just because they went to the Super Bowl. Like, well, the year before was a similar thing, though. But it was a little bit more, right? It was a little bit more. But yeah, so they peeled back.

So anyways, so this year, when the season ends earlier, and they have a new offensive scheme and they have a new defensive coordinator, like it would make sense for it. And they have new position coaches. And they have a new center on offense, right? That's, that's a big deal here. Like, it would make sense for them to practice more. I would imagine this spring. And so Nick said they are going to make some changes like they'll have their schedule when it comes out. But that's, that's something that has been. on my radar just because like they really didn't have much of an offseason program last year. They didn't, they had a shorter offseason program than everyone else the year before that as well. And even in the, if you remember in next first year, it was kind of like a compromise with, you know, they were under kind of COVID rules. And he's like, all right, if you guys come in for this, we won't have the mandatory minicamp. They didn't have the mandatory or something like that. So, yeah.

I mean, my general take here is, I don't think they're going to change too much because you could say they were rusty in week one, but guess what? They also had good health, generally speaking, for the second year in a row, right? And so obviously you would trade, and it's not this easy, but you would definitely trade some rust early in the season, even if it's a new scheme for keeping guys on the field. And if the data that they follow tells them that this is going to help that, like that is the number one priority. Maybe it means more walkthroughs or something like that in the way that they do stuff in the spring. But I think, I think there is, they're going to do more than last year because they didn't have to play three extra games and play deep into February. But I don't think that they're all of a sudden going to be, you know, run Oklahoma drills on, you know, June 8th. Yeah, I don't think they'll run Oklahoma drills either.

So. Okay. What else? What else you got? Well, there's a lot, but I want to be respectful of you. your family's here you got some more we got some more shows to fill this week you got some i got some more shows uh i'm excited i'm with rich uh for virtually wednesday thursday friday this week um tomorrow's show we're gonna have some leftovers you know what i i was hoping there still be some meat on the bone

from um from syriani and from lory and i wanted to go over the rule changes in particular like kickoff returns and some of those other things you know the trade deadline i are there's a change in i are there's a change in replay reviews, like kind of getting into the nitty gritty of some of those. Thursday. Yes, the NFL not only trying to steal Christmas by scheduling games on Christmas, but moving the deadline back, they're now trying to steal election day. Yeah, breaking news. They're calling, you know, they're calling Michigan for a new cornerback for the Lions, right?

Listen, you know, Howie Roseman's no fool. This could be an opportunity to take advantage of some of the, general managers in the league who might be paying attention to other things on that day. If Howie's probably going to look for any edge, you can. Right. So Thursday, this might be cheesy. I won't throw in a fifth round pick, but I will give you some exit polling data that I have. This might be cheesy.

You can tell me now if it's cheesy and I can reroute it. But I thought maybe like an opening day type. theme show where we kind of go over some of the memorable opening days in Eagles history. And we kind of compare Eagles to Phillies. Like who's the who's the Bryce Harper on the Eagles and who's the Zach Wheel or on Eagles and that kind of thing. Cheesy or what do you think that could play? Not my business. It's your show.

Well, it's our show. But I'm not there. Do what you want to do. Still, it's our show. It's our show when I'm not on it. I'm watching it. I'm keeping notes. So yeah, I want you to be proud of our show.

I don't want you to think it's a lousy product. Anyways, I thought, yeah. And then Friday, I'm thinking something either draft-oriented or we can go to the mailbag well. It's been some time for it. And I know readers have questions and listeners have questions and I've been real busy writing like news. And we did all those reactions. during a free agency and then we got stuff this week that uh you know there i haven't done a mailbag on all p hl y in a bit so i thought maybe we'll do one on the on the show if if it works so that's

that's kind of those those next three shows that have been mapping out and Thursday big day a different kind of opening day Zach we got the we got the launch of the anthony gargano show yes thank you very much yeah nine to 11 make sure you check that out and every day and you're watching on demand too and listen on demand as well. Very exciting. Got the full roster together. Are you telling the audience where you are this week? I'm in Orlando.

I mean, you got an exciting few days coming up here. I don't want to. You can't keep it private. I can't not say it now. Sure you can. You can say it's private. Yeah. No, we're at Disney.

I'm taking the kids of Disney. It's awesome. It's awesome. I hope you enjoy. That's awesome. Yeah, I hope you enjoy. Yeah, thanks. Yeah, if you see,

if you happen to be in Disney this week, you know, give me a hello everybody. Hello, everybody. Okay. That'll do it for this episode of the P.H.L.Y. Eagles podcast. The close of our coverage from the annual league meetings. Maybe one day we'll tell the story of all the shenanigans that happened last night at the event. Honestly, nothing very interesting.

For Bo maybe. Yeah. Nothing very interesting for me. But yes, for you. All kinds of interesting stuff. And yes, I did in fact make it to our 6.30 call time this morning with Olivia, Olivia, who, you know, got there before either of us. So she was the star of the show. Always, always respect to her for that. No doubt about that. So for Zach and Julia, thank you to everybody for listening and watching and commenting along.

We will talk to you tomorrow. Zach and Handsome Rich live at noon. And as always, we love you. Bear.