PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | Philadelphia Eagles trade targets & candidates: James Bradberry out, Treylon Burks in?

Episode Date: July 10, 2024

What’s on your mind? Zach Berman and Rich Hofmann open the mailbag to answer your questions on topics ranging from potential wide receivers the Eagles could add in a trade to which players have the most trade value for the Eagles to whether the Eagles have a top 10 roster Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Good afternoon and welcome to a midweek edition of the PHLY Eagles show. I'm Zach Berman here with Rich Hoffman for my favorite type of show, or I should say one of my favorite types of shows. And that is a mailbag because we get to address what is on your mind. We are now 13 days away from Eagles training camp. So the countdown is on as we discussed on yesterday's show. As we discussed on Monday's show, some of us prefer phone calls more than others. some of us like phone calls more than others. If you watched Hard Knocks last night, Rich,

or if you've seen the clips that are circulating, we saw Saquan Barclay's phone call within the New York Giants on the day the franchise tag came out. I bring that up because we seem to chronicle that show quite a bit here. First off, how you doing on this Wednesday? Second off, what did you make of Saquan Barkley's reaction to the Giants calling him? Well, I think he's anti-phone calls, Zach. I think he was, you know, he was asking Joe Shane to wrap it up, man.

You know, I think Seypon would have watched Monday show and said, you guys are, you're nailing it right now. Yeah, it was pretty awkward. And I will go back to what I said last week about it. I'm not going to give the Giants too much credit because I don't like the Giants, but they are giving like a lot of access that I am kind of surprised they are giving. That was awkward. It was tense.

It was, I don't know. It was good television. And, you know, Sequin's reaction was, I think it was fair, right? He was like, okay, maybe I'll come back to you. Maybe I won't. Like, I want to come back as a giant. I don't know. It was good TV, but it was very awkward and tense, I thought.

First off, I thought the phone call itself was an evidence of what I said about phone calls. I enjoyed being on the phone. What I don't necessarily like is like the preamble and then the post stuff, you know. So Joe Shane's clearly calling to tell him that. they're going to let them hit the market. They're not putting the franchise tag on, right? And so you do the whole thing. Are you in Jersey?

How's your offseason going? Like, let's just get to the point. There's a reason why you're calling. We don't need all the preamble there. Anyways, the phone call itself, yeah, I thought it was reasonable from both sides. I don't think that

Sequan Barclays obligated to bring and offer back to the Giants at that point. He's a free agent after all, right? I think say Juan was was fairly clear like you guys know what my number is if now the the giants did the right thing there in terms of all right there's an impasse there's we're we're not agreeing on the number go see what your market is and if we can get close we'll get close that's that's a respectable strategy there I I thought there were some other parts of the

show that I found more enlightening but I think from an eagle's perspective I thought that you know there's been this discrepancy in terms of did the giants make an offer did the giants not make an offer sayquan has kind of been clear that he did not that he did not he said you can't turn your back on a team that didn't make you an offer the giants there did not make a formal offer right they're like go see what your market is so uh it it's it's certainly seemed too like the giants didn't expect uh sayquan to get the type of money that he got from the eagles but you so you know this better the one thing I was wondering about because Joe Shane in the phone call frames it as like we're going to let you uh test the market it seems like the right thing to do is it wasn't the right thing to do or was uh the franchise tag for a second year kind of cost prohibitive yeah it's it's kind of in and look eagles did this with uh Nick foals a few years ago now it wasn't necessarily like but howie roseman gets up there at the combine actually similar situation to with the giant to if you watch the show and I'm sorry I'm giving way spoilers here

But you saw the Giants PR staff prep Joe Shane for the Combine Press Conference. And one of the things he said is, well, the franchise tag is not out of the question, right? We're going to be very generic here. So if you go back to the 2019 off season, there was this like annoying short, pesky reporter who specifically asked Howie Roseman, are you going to franchise tag Nick Foles? And Hallie Roseman came there with news. Howie Roseman said, no, you know, we think it's the right thing to do to let them hit them. market like all all that he's that he's done for us he's a franchise legend yeah the reality is it

kind of would have been cross-prohibitive for the eagles to to give him the tag but yeah i i don't think the tag was going to be an option there the giants clearly had had had had uh some other orders of business they were going after brian burns or christian wilkins you saw that in the show they had to figure out Xavier mackinney if you put a franchise tag on someone even if that player doesn't sign there's a cap hold um at that point so Yeah, check that out. I imagine there will be many other references to, obviously, Sequin and the Eagles. I'm curious whether it's next week's episode or the week after that, the reaction when Sequin signs with Eagles.

I'm curious to see that. Don't spoil it as the comments. No, I'm just kidding. The idea of Hard Knocks offseason giant spoilers is pretty funny. Like, guys, Sequon's gone. Yeah, like, yeah. Yeah, Scuant with Eagles. We might have mentioned that once or twice on this show.

Now, we solicited questions from our listeners, from our viewers on social media and also our Discord channel, which you can be part of if you are a PHLI diehard member. I check Discord all the time. And so we're going to get to many of those questions here today. And we're going to combine a few of them and also kind of play off a few of them because we got a few with the of the trade, target, trade candidate variety. So the one we are going to start with, and I'm going to kind of think out loud here, so I allow Julia to put this on the screen, is from Ralph Jancovic, which is, can you and Rich each propose a realistic trade that nets the Eagles, a solid third wide receiver? Maybe it's one of our cornerbacks to a cornerback needy team or just a future draft pick.

And then I also want to call attention to is it Sven Nassoum, his question, if you could do a trade that would net a starter before the season, what trade would that be name specific players and why? It sounds like an assignment at school right there, but I appreciate that, Sven. So we're going to combine these two. From one teacher to another. From one visiting faculty member to another. Yeah, so let's combine these two in terms of realistic trade Canada. but also let's let's or I should say realistic trade targets but let's also expand this to realistic trade candidates so I don't have the exact framework and unfortunately

for Sven like if you made me propose a trade I'm looking for it would be like Patrick Mahomes to Eagles for six round piece maybe going the other way I would put it I would make it a seven man you don't have to give you give me too much but the other team does have to accept so the but the so one that kind of stood out which Ralph mentioned, the framework is Eagles, cornerback, beyond probably the two rookies, to a cornerback needy team. Now, I don't know if the Houston Texans are a cornerback needy team, but I know they are not a wide receiver team.

Good job there. Yeah. And so I looked at their cornerback depth chart. Thank you to our lads, which I believe you just pulled up right now. They have Derek Stingley, Jr. They're set there at one spot for sure. And they took rookie Camari Lasseter in the second round. From Georgia.

So why, you know, if you have one Georgia cornerback, why don't you take two? You know, why don't you get a little keely wringo for one of those extra wide receivers? And the name, and we mentioned this a little bit before the show that came to mind for me was John Mechie. And in fairness, I didn't watch a ton of John Mechie. He had a pretty good playoff game against the Browns, I remember. But obviously had the health scare sit out his first year, the slow start. But, you know, if you think about, you know, reading some of the stuff coming out of Texans OTAs, like C.J. Stroud is gassing him up a little bit. He's like he's playing well. It seems like he's full go. He's running good routes. Obviously, that needs to translate to the field. You know, but it seems like he's in a good spot. He was a second round pick, I believe. And to me, I guess the reason I like METC, Zach. And, you know, maybe there is another player that fits this mold around the league. But I like this. because I saw this in the comments the other day.

I just want competence from the number three wide receiver. And the scouting report looking at the beast like Dane Bruegler, what he had to say when Metschie was coming out of Alabama, is that like he wasn't the highest ceiling prospect out there, but he's like a terrific route runner, somebody who knows how to get open, find those spaces in the defense. That sounds like the perfect guy to put in between Devante Smith, who I guess was his college teammate.

Yeah, and they're good friends, actually. Before the game, two years ago, Devonthei was wearing a John Metsi shirt in support of him while John Metschie was overcoming cancer. Well, yeah, and by the way, the chat is saying they'd rather have Ringo. Maybe it's Isaiah Rogers for Metchie, you know? Like, maybe that's the good thing about having all of this depth. And maybe Ringo just has like a tremendous training camp too where the Eagles say, all right, we actually need to keep this guy.

This guy might just be a good player. He might be the starter along with Quinion Mitchell or whatever. So, you know, guys, I'm not, don't get too hung up. up over the framework here. But the, yeah, so the idea of trading for kind of a younger receiver who doesn't, it doesn't need to be like a game breaker type ceiling, but just somebody who knows how to get open, somebody who runs good routes, I would support trading for that type of player. First off, I really like that in terms of the player they're acquiring.

I like John Mechie quite a bit. I think John Mechie's a player that they could and should target, considering that the Texans have had depth at that position. Obviously, they traded for digs. They gave Nico Collins big money. Tankdale's coming back. So they kind of have their three. They re-sign Noel Brown.

That's another one in there. Maybe you could say Robert Woods would be the player. They'd be more after trade. But John Mechie, who was a second round pick in 2022, like you mentioned, you're looking fourth, fifth receiver there. That would make sense. I think he could fit within the depth chart. I agree with the chat.

I would not trade Healy Ringo one for John Mechie. I think Healy Ringo, given his age profile, given the position profile, given the role on the team, sorry about that. I would not make that move. But I certainly would call about him. The player I would float out there is Eli Ricks. And now you might say, why would they be trading for a second round pick for Eli Ricks, who was a player who they drafted in the second round for Eli Ricks, who was an undrafted player, a year ago. I think Eli Ricks has upside as a corner. I think he showed that last year. I think he's someone

who's who's kind of on the eye, he's on the outside looking in of the other depth chart at this point. So I think if they would be interested in Eli Ricks, that would be a way to go. It might be Eli Ricks plus a pick. Yeah, Eli Ricks. All right. Okay, you want to keep Ringo, but Eli Ricks is a pretty big drop off from Ringo, I would say. I think Eli Ricks might have more value than Isaiah Rogers from a contract perspective. Okay, that's true. Right. So you're looking at that. But yeah, I mean, Keeley Ringo

was the youngest player on the team last year. He's a second year player. He's under contract for three more seasons. But no, I certainly like that. So with the Texans, you would prefer METI to Robert Woods. You would prefer kind of the younger profile

to the established veteran. I mean, I generally would, yeah. I mean, I think Robert Woods provides competency, but it's, I don't know, maybe just listening to Bo over the years and just recycling all of these older players. I understand there is a little bit of risk. Like, look, John Mechie only, he only had like 200 yards last year receiving. So he's really not proven a lot.

But the framework of trying to go after, you know, in the NBA, they call it like a second draft candidate, right, where, you know, a player doesn't work out at their first spot for whatever reason, but was drafted highly, has a good skill set and maybe would flourish in another place, something like that along those lines. So I think I would prefer that. But like Robert Woods is competent, right? You know, his numbers have trended down since the heyday of his career, those Rams years, when he and Cooper Cup and McVeigh and all those guys were just throwing the ball all over the place.

But I think I'd rather go for a younger player, which is why Traylon Burks also is an interesting name. Yeah, so that's why I was about to get into there. and the player I would target from a similar type of profile would be Traylen Berks in Tennessee, a former first round pick who, if you want to know what the Titans think of Trayland Berks, you can read their comments, which is supportive of them, or you can watch their actions, which would tell you otherwise. This offseason, they've added Calvin Ridley, they've added Tyler Boyd, right? So they add two veterans there.

Trayland Berks is probably on, I don't want to say the outside looking in, but he's there fourth or fifth receiver now when you consider they already have DeAndre Hopkins. So Traylen Berks, I imagine, is very much available. He's someone who I like coming out of Arkansas. The Titans literally drafted him with the pick they got from the Eagles in the A.J. Brown deal. But it has not worked out so far. So you say, what's the price? Okay.

Well, this is the kind of thing. I like looking up. As you know, I'd like putting on my GM hat. I would look at the Jalen Rager price. So what the Eagles paid, or I'm sorry, with the Vikings paid to get Jailen Rager. And why did I pick those? Well, through two years, both first round picks, their first two years, similar types of seasons. When you look at the 17-game pace, Trayland Burks has 38 catches, 514 yards per 17 games,

if you want to go kind of with the NBA per 82 game thing. And then Jeline Rager threw his first two seasons was 39 catches, 422 yards, both kind of disappointing first-round picks where they were. So what did the Vikings give up? The Vikings gave up a 20-23, seventh-round pick, and a 2024 fifth-round pick that could have turned into a fourth-round pick had Jeline Rager achieve certain conditional stats, 40 receptions, 500 receiving yards, five touchdowns. So if you're ostensibly looking at it from this point as a 2024, seventh round pick and a 2025 fifth round pick, that is a trade I would make. You kind of talked about that profile in the NBA. I love that profile in the NFL. It's something that Beau always makes fun of me about kind of going for the former first round pick.

I like kind of taking a chance on talent. And I think Trayland Berks fits that. I also think Trayland-Burks is an interesting type of player from a, he's different in terms of like the size profile. Maybe you need to manufacture touches. That was kind of a criticism for him coming out of Arkansas. But I don't mind that. I think he's a unique player who in his second stint or in his second team could be more productive than his first team. I just looked at his career.

The only touchdown of his career was that catch against the Eagles, which is the thumbnail where he, got absolutely crushed. He got hurt on the play. Yeah. By the way, it was Marcus Epps and Josiah Scott were, and they kind of crunched him and he still caught that touchdown. Yeah. A.J. Brown went off that day.

He did. He did. So, you know, Trayland Berks unfortunately had to go. You know, the Titans were saying he was going to match him one for one. But he didn't. And he never has besides that. That sequence of events has worked out with the Eagles, I would say. Yeah.

And I know Eagles fans say, like, the Titans wouldn't want to make a trade. for or with the Eagles, you know, because of what happened with A.J. Brown. Look, it's a different GM. This is not the GM that drafted Traylin Berks. This is not the GM that traded A.J. Brown. So I think Trailing Berks is the type of player I would target, whether he's an upgrade over Paris Campbell. You can have that debate. But the Eagles do have a need at third receiver.

And I think either Traylen Burks or John Mell. would make sense there. To kind of stay on this year, who do you think would be a trade candidate for the Eagles? So let's say they went out and they acquired a wide receiver, spent some draft capital and Howie says, look, if we're going to make a trade, then we need to add some draft capital back. So what's a position of surplus?

You mentioned cornerback there. Obviously, the name that keeps going out is James Bradbury. I don't know what realistically they could get from James Bradbury. I know there's kind of buzz. You know, Pittsburgh has Cam Sutton down right now because of suspension. I don't know if you trade for James Bradbury to be a second type of, you know, or to be a backup corner. But is there a player who you think makes sense for the Eagles as a potential trade candidate?

I mean, like you said, Eli Ricks is somebody. And like, look, if the Eagles don't want to trade towards the top of that cornerback, depth chart like yeah then you start working your way down the list like does Josh Job have any yeah I mean from a played some games yes special teams perspective I think he's more of a waiver wire claim but look I told the story on the show before there was a player a few years ago who I was I don't want to say I was pumped that I got this scoop because you don't want to eat I mean you're like reporting on a player losing his job but I I hear they're gonna cut this guy and so I go and I do my I do my work and someone in the organization says, hey, don't run with this.

They're going to trade him. And I'm like, there's no way they're going to trade this player. Like no one's going to trade for him. And sure enough, they traded the player. So how he knows how to get something out of nothing sometimes. Yeah, I would say the same thing for Bradbury, although it's, as you have mentioned, like, I wonder if teams are just going to wait for the Eagles to cut him. And then, you know, as somebody who is experienced, if you want to bring him in,

he should be able to pick out the playbook and things pretty quickly. Yeah, Bo mentioned Kobe Dean as a potential trade candidate if the Eagles, if he does not win the starting job, if Zach Bond's a starter, or if Dean does not distinguish himself, Dean might still have some buzz from the draft. As far as one other trade target, I would say, I'm sorry, I worked on the pronunciation. You heard me working on it. Levi Anuzareke from the Detroit. Lions, okay, who was drafted. He's entered the final year of his deal. He's a backup now. I liked him coming out of Washington. He's a penetrating defensive tackle. He's kind of on the outs with the Lions, it seems. Players entering the last years of their deal, sometimes you can get them. I think D-Tackles a position where the Eagles can use some help. I see in the chat,

I was talking to you, but I see in the chat now how Kevin Evering Jr. says, low-key knee, D-line depth, too. And I think Levi fits kind of the age profile. I think fits the player profile in terms of like that, that penetrating detackle as a backup to Milton Williams, kind of, you know, if Milton goes down or if Jalen Carter goes down, you can say Moro Jumo fits that role. I don't know if I would necessarily trade for a backup nose tackle, but that's a player that would make sense for me.

Here's a question. Would you consider trading for a linebacker? Let's say, let's say one of them get hurt. Like, let's say Zach Bond got hurt and Nicopi didn't really show a lot, and you're kind of, you're sitting there with, all right, You have Devin White. You have Trott Jr. Who has not played in the NFL and, you know,

is a later round pick. So even if he's good, you might not expect, you know, for him to start right away. Would you consider maybe trading? Because they did go the free agency route in training camp last year. They did okay, you know. Jack Cunningham, right? It was a starter for a lot of the year. But that was a position of weakness for them as well.

You're absolutely right. Yeah, that is something I would look at. I think linebackers a spot where they have options, but they don't really have, like, entrenched, all right, you feel really good about this. And there is, uh, uh, I don't know what the trade market is like. Are those guys costly, like somebody who's typically not. I mean, a top of the, a top of the market player would be like, you know, obviously, Rochond Smith commanded a lot in the open market.

Competency. Yeah, but for competency, no, you can probably get competency. Uh, but I think from Howie's perspective, and I certainly can't speak for Howie, but sometimes you say like, all right, could you just sign Zach Cunningham? Like is the replacement level player on the open market? Is that the path to go as opposed to sacrificing a pick for a linebacker? I think they feel like you can get replacement level production at the position. I got to say, I am a little worried how much is riding on Devin White this year.

I know a couple years ago, good player, good player on some really good defenses, good teams. that's a lot riding on him as kind of your one entrenched option because it's like you said, there are a lot of question marks. Like, Nkoby Dean, first off, we don't know if he's really any good. We certainly don't know if he can stay healthy. Zach Bonn was signed ostensibly to play another position and we're kind of just bumping them over here now and then, you know, a rookie. I don't know. Devin White for, you know, a signing on, what was that, the second or third day of NFL free agency.

And, you know, with somebody who I think you were a little bit higher on it than, than Bo was. It just seems to be the case. Yeah. But I don't know. It's, it's, it's giving me a little, I'm a little scared thinking about that where, you know, after the debacle of last year and after like the 49ers game and just how, you know, the Cowboys game like how easy it was to throw on the Eagles in the middle of

the field. It's, uh, I'm a little bit worried about that. That's all. That's a reasonable question. And of course this, you know, somewhere around the world, I don't want to say where Beau's listening to this, and I mentioned this name, he'll, like, he'll, like, throw something, and he'll say, he'll rip on me to his wife. And look, I get it. I'm not advocating for this, this, this move. But kind of the, a move that I always thought was interesting was, like,

what if Jamo Adams played linebacker, you know? I'm just saying, I've always kind of thought about that. Like, what if you played Jamo Adams as, like, a blitzing linebacker who, you know, was covering tight ends. I'm not saying the Eagles should do it, but that's always kind of been like a back-of-the-mind type move I have thought about. But trading for a linebacker is not necessarily something I think that they would do. But certainly if Devin White does not pan out this summer, that is a clear need for the Eagles. Before we continue with our next questions, and I enjoyed that discussion, let's get to game time here because I'm speaking about game time, just as someone who is reading an ad, but as someone who literally uses GameTime,

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For more information, visit trumark.com slash P.A. H-L-Y. So that discussion made me think, too. It's like, okay, don't trade Ringo for for METI. I do wonder, like, what the Eagle season will look like, though, if three of the four of those outside corners, like, are actually really good. And, you know, either Avanté or Cooper de Jean or competent inside, like, is there a chance that Darius Lay is the third best corner on the team?

well it's it's a non-zero like like there's a possibility for that right i don't think that's the case i i think sleigh still has a talent but cornerback last year wouldn't have been as as as we saw at bradbury last year like the cornerback's a position where you can fall off the cliff yeah right and you know the split second if if you lose a bit of speed uh that could hurt you there so i am curious to see i do like win yon mitchell and i do like cooper de june I do like Ely Ringo, but I still think Slay is their clear top option. Yeah, if he doesn't fall off that cliff. And frankly, like, he has the profile of a guy who's just been very athletic for a lot of his career.

I mean, he's kind of defied the age curve already, right? For him to be this good at this age. But it's, I guess because, excuse me a second, because of what happened to Bradbury last year, my antenna is up for that. Because that was like he was a very good player. And then he was frankly not necessarily. NFL player for a lot of last year. That's certainly worth having the antenna up for. Before we get to the next question, was there a super chat, Julia, that we must

address or that we should address here? How about a two-player package, Ricks and Bradbury? I honestly don't think Bradbury has a lot of value. I think Bradbury is the kind of thing where the Eagles would just want to give them away because there's some cash and cap savings if they were to trade them as opposed to cutting him. Do the right thing for him. Yeah, exactly. But I don't think Bradbury is like a sweetener in a deal.

I don't think it's the type of thing where it's like you're not going to agree to Mecchi for Rick's. So maybe we'll throw Bradbury in there too. I don't think that's the way it would work. I think the pick is a sweetener more so than Bradbury. I actually think maybe if you really want to get Bradbury off the books, you attach a pick to Bradbury. But I don't think that they're, I think in that case they would just eat the salary.

It's only like a million dollars, right? extra oh oh if they trade them yeah yeah yeah they they say like a million extra i i don't think they would pay that for like a seventh round yeah that's the next one here and i'm honestly it's a good question but the i'm i'm reading the name who is from verbatim here okay this is from lord poopington and lord poopington is part of our uh he's a loyal or he or she i'm not sure is a a part of our discord uh and i always enjoy checking out discord which you can see if you're part of the p hl y die hearts for tomorrow's mailbag lord uh sent this yesterday at 430 at 431 p.m. who are the top five or 10 most valuable trade assets on the eagles i'm thinking of the bill

simmons or shio kapadia trade value rankings here look i got to say i was always a sucker for that bill simmons column growing up and i always like when shield kapadia does it um so when you do this you're obviously not considering like realistic trades like you're not it's it's not necessarily guys who you're trading, but it shows who's most valuable for your team. You're not trading any of these guys. Exactly. And you're factoring in age contract position. So do you want to go first year?

So I had four names. And you know, you can fill in the blanks or did I miss somebody. But the four names that came to mind right away, the number one guy was Jalen Carter, where, you know, still on the second year of his rookie contract, frankly, has shown that he has the talent to be one of the better defensive linemen in the game, like has like seriously high potential. I think he's, if we're, if we're factoring in contract as well,

I think he's clearly number one on my list. And then it's like the Eagles have a lot of good players, but they got paid, right? And like, so I thought of the, of the older guys that got paid, the one that stood out to me was Devante Smith, where, you know,

He's on this good contract for, you know, four or five more years. And is he better than A.J. Brown? No. But he's younger and he's on a slightly better contract. That one stuck out to me too. And then the other name that really stood out to me is, and I don't know if he's good yet, right? We haven't seen him playing the NFL. But Quinnian Mitchell feels like a pretty good chance to be a starting level corner and to have him on a rookie contract.

That seems like something other teams would really covet. it. And the Eagles do covet now in terms of his value. Good points there. Good points. I'm with you. I had John, you know, I had John Carter number one. I had Devante Smith kind of one A. I think the reasons you outlined for Jam Carter makes sense. Second year player, premium position. I think he could be a top of the league player at that spot. Devante Smith, who was already at top of the league player at wide receiver, I think that the Eagles signed him to a good contract. The one thing that is worth keeping in mind for NFL trades is that, like, the guaranteed money, the signing bonuses, the team that trades him absorbs that money. Like if the guaranteed money is in the actual base salary, then the team that acquires him assumes it.

So a player who's traded from the Eagles, actually, it could sometimes be a friendly contract for the team acquiring him if it's kind of loaded with bonus money. So that's something to consider there. I think Joan Hertz would have a lot of value. Sure. And I think like we've seen other quarterbacks get paid since they made that deal. I'm still high on Jaywin Hertz. You look at the age profile. You look at the player profile. I think if they were to trade J.O.N. Hertz right now, they would get a haul for him. So he would be high up there.

Same thing for A.J. Brown. Even though they paid A.J. Brown, a big contract. I still think you're looking at like a blue chip player, one of the best players in the league at his position. And then the other one I'll put in here is Jordan Milata. Because I think that for Jordan Milaida's play at left tackle at that age profile, I think if they were to trade Jordan Milata, they would get like a first round pick for him. I think he's still young enough and is shown high-level production that even with that contract, they would do well there. And so you can mention like Glenn and Dickerson, I think you're less apt to get big money for a go or like a big pick for a guard than a left tackle. I still think they're edge rushers, Bryce Huff, Nolan Smith,

have something to prove. I hear you on Quinyon Mitchell. I need to see it. The thing we need to remember with Quinyon Mitchell is like 21 teams passed on him, right? So now you can say that eight teams passed on Jeline Carter. I think that was a different situation. 21 teams passed on Quigionion Mitchell with clean character with like, you know, really good athletic testing.

And so I think Quintyne Mitchell is going to be a good player, but I still think there's more of proof there. Like Quina Mitchell from like a draft range profile similar to Emmanuel Forbes a year ago, right? Now somewhere where around the world, what Bo is, he's going to shut her and throw something at wherever he's eating dinner. I imagine he's listening to this at dinner right now.

So what's up, Bo? Did you see the photo of Emmanuel Forbes at his camp? I did. I mean, he looked like the camper. He's so skinny compared to that. The one thing I'll say is that if you took a picture at Devante, Smith's camp he'll probably be like it'll look the same that's true but Devante smith is good so yeah that's that's the difference yeah and look cornerbacks like look we saw

last year in that Eagles commanders game that was a j Brown just like pushed him all up so you want your your cornerbacks to have some strength some heft there I say that still as I'm buying Nate Wigan stock this year in in Baltimore um by the way as as As we get to these questions, let's get to a Bo question, right? I'm really enjoyed doing the show with you. This is our fourth show together here. This is coming back to Friday. There's going to be three more shows until Bo gets back.

But let's give a little shout out to Bo because Ralph Jankewitch, actually, Ralph Jankov, he has two questions here. He asked, since Boe is out of town, it is great time to talk about him. I would argue it's always a good time to talk about Bo. predict his 2024 camp crushes also discussed who would play him in the Bo Wolf story direct to premium streaming movie I'll answer the second one first

there's there's one obvious answer here it's Chevy Chase like Chevy am I wrong like like current day no no no no you look what's like Vegas vacation Chevy Chase Saturday Night Live Chevy Chase

I think this is this is not me saying it like this has been the obvious one and I think that's a compliment Chevy Chase has the have the sick oh joy is nodding her head that's a compliment have the have the sickos suggested that oh this has been a long running okay I think Jeffie Chase have you have you not heard that I thought this was like a well you thought this was like common knowledge everywhere I might have yeah as I was about to say during the point about his camp crush I get a lot of this stuff with you guys but sometimes it's a lot of content it slips through the cracks are you suggesting there's inside jokes on the show yeah oh no no way yes and then and then Arthur Smith if Arthur Smith was an actor. Arthur Smith, I remember that one. And I agree with that. Yeah. Arthur Smith's sister is in

Hollywood. Like, is in some maybe that's the most exact line. Could go to Central. Could go to Central casting, which by the way, I learned, because I read the comments on YouTube and I appreciate this. We were told from yesterday's show when I said, is there actually a central casting?

It turns out there is a Central casting. And they do this type of thing. They look for like doppelgangers. So. They're just looking for generic looking people. So I would say Chevy Chase would be the Bo Wolf way to go. Is there one you have for the actor? No, no. Okay. That's good. Okay. So the camp crush. The camp crush. And again, this is something that you probably, you have a better recall on this because you've lived this for four years, five years at this point.

And look, I remember like the summer of Sioux. I remember the summer of Sue. I remember the, that's what it's known as. the summer of Sioux yes the August of Alaseka like I remember all of that stuff I love this yes but again you have a better recall of the many camp crudders because it's not just one right it's you know there's there's three or four some years yes one of them one of them hits so so here is how I did it just thinking back to some of the past players I went right to our lads to the eagles and then I looked at the second string offensive line I think that's perfect place to start, you know, because Bo is, he prides himself on being the guy that watches the one-on-ones and not just the Jalen Carter one-on-ones.

Like the Brett Toh one-on-ones, he is there for him. So, you know, I took a look at that. And so here's the name I came across, Zach. And I think it's wrong, but let's talk through it. Pass and look, I get it. You're not going to be watching those one-on-ones. It's a passing league, right? You're going to be watching the seven-on-seven.

I am going with Trevor Keegan. But my worry, my worry is, though, Friend of the show. He's a friend of the show. He was a terrific interview with you guys. My only worry is he is not quite obscure enough. Fifth round pick, I mean, that's like, that's pretty premium for the Bow Wolf Camp Crush.

I feel like I feel like I might have reached too far for that one, but that's what I landed on. You know your friend well because, yeah, I think that is too much of a premium there. Look, Dylan McMahon was a draft crush that I think could turn into a camp crush. I don't know what Boats policy is in terms of the draft crush becoming the camp crush. I see Steve Whiteacre says Jason Poe. Oh, yeah, because of the, just the build.

Yeah, I mean, he's already kind of scouted Jason Poe in a very, very odd way in terms of being the camp crush. I think Andre Sam could be a potential camp crush. He might say Andre Sam is an old, but I think when you're looking at it, that's a position where I think Andre Sam could pop at camp a bit. But I think I would go Jason Poe or doing McMahon for the camp crushes this year. That's fair. Yeah. I mean, they could both be camp crushes too.

Yeah. It won't be Will Shippling. It won't be Will Shippley. I can say that. Every time I say a nice thing. about Will Shipley on the show, I think Bo will like push back. Yeah. Oh, look. I mean, you know, you have Devante Parker. He has Will Shipley. Maybe he'll go Kendall Milton just to just like to have like his foil to Will Shipley.

Although I think running back is probably too mainstream for him. Yeah. It's it's got to be like an interior offensive line in there. Yeah. So then let's let's keep rolling with questions here. And this is from Philip the intern, which is if the. nose tackle in parentheses Jordan Davis and a linebacker style edge players in parentheses Nolan Smith and Bryce Huff disappoint and the defensive system does not seem to be maximizing Jalen Carter could you see the Eagles wanting to move back to a Jim Schwartz style defense so you're attacking four three penetrating defense yeah this one's more on you because I understand the the question and that Vic Fangio usually

three four where he has the the two outside edge rushers stand up and rush and sometimes drop into coverage. Jim Schwartz, obviously four three, Fletcher Cox, defensive tackles, get up the field. But you know this better than I do. Sure. So look, I'll say this about John Carter. John Carter played in like a three, four, you know, an odd man front at Georgia. Geoen-Carter to use the Jerry Azanara, I'm sorry, the Jerry Asanero expression. And I'm really going esoteric there. If you remember the defensive line coach in 2013. Come on.

Yeah, of course. John Carter can play in any scheme. And that was a reference to how when Fletcher Cox was drafted, Jim Washburn said, God made him to play in this defense. And then when we asked Jim, when we asked Jerry Asnerer the next year, he said, God made him to play in any defense, right? Because I think Joe and Carter can play in any scheme. I don't think you necessarily need to go to a Jim Schwartz-style defense

to maximize Jail and Carter, although I understand the premise of the question, like you look at Endomaconsu, you look at Fletcher Cox, you look at Marcel Darius, you look at Albert Hainsworth. There are some deep tackles that really accept. in that scheme. I think personally, unless there's a coaching change, and we'll actually get to that type of thing for the next question, I think the Eagles are committed to Vic Fangio. I think Vic Fangio is, A, the style of defense, but also Vic Fangio in particular, someone that they've targeted. I think that unless there is like a new coach who brings in his own deco coordinator,

the Eagles really like Vic Fangio. Vic Fangio is going to be here. And so it's going to going to be the Vic Fangio scheme. So I don't think they're they'll philosophically it'll change their defense. I also don't think it's good. It's productive to kind of ping pong back and forth between defenses, right? I don't think you should tailor a defense to a player, but I also don't think that that like you unless you're starting a new system over, I don't like the idea of going back and forth. And as much as Vic Fangio has kind of said, like, look, I'm going to take a look at each player. skill set and I'm going to change the defense and kind of tailor it to their strengths. Like there is a general scheme that he's going to work from.

I mean, we have, what do we have? Over a decade of history here where, you know, he's running the same thing. But I also think from a personnel perspective, really the only question is like if you switch from an odd man front to an even man front, how Jordan Davis would do if he's like, if he's able to be a three technique or if he's someone that you're just kind of putting over the center. Otherwise, Nolan Smith and Bryce off, I think they can rush the quarterback from any defense. You might say that Nolan Smith needs to add some weight, add some strength. But I think that honestly, if you look at like third down edge rushing, you're typically rushing from, you know, the same way that a D.N would in a 4-3.

So that, I think Jordan Davis is really the only question from a scheme perspective. But we mentioned potential coaching changes. This one was also on our Discord channel, Discord channel, and this was from Trezellini. If the Eagles do not get off to a hot start, is Siriani on the hot seat? I was thinking about this because I was looking at the schedule, and I was wondering, like,

what is the record the Eagles would have to go for this to become serious? So, like, let's say they go two and two to start. Let's say they lose in Brazil to Green Bay, and then let's say they lose one of the NFC South road games. at New Orleans, at Tampa. I would imagine the noise is like, because by the way, that leads into a bye week as well. I would imagine the noise and the idea of being on the hot seat is disgust in Philadelphia.

I don't think it would get there at that point. But like two and three, if you lose the Cleveland coming out of the buy, maybe it becomes that way. I guess the one thing Siriani has going for him is that the toughest part of the schedule seems to be you know we never know the NFL changes year to year but it seems to be in November which is kind of past the point of we're firing a coach to serve our season right like that's that's almost like a mercy firing at that point like that if you fire somebody that late in the season it's like okay we we just don't want this person here anymore we're going to make changes in the off season we will have kind of the the caretaker coach that type of thing so I you know

If you look at the earlier schedule, look, they could lose, but it seems like not a super difficult part of the schedule, at least. Yeah, I think that Jeffrey Lory would be reluctant to making a change early. Like even if they don't get off to a hot start, I think the commitment to Nick Siriani is there for this year. I don't think they make the coaching change to try to rescue the year, so to speak. I think if there's a coaching change during the season, it's if the Eagles are like, out of playoff contention late in the year and the eagles want to get off or like they they they would want to get that head start on the coaching search because maybe there's an out of work coach that that you want to talk to like you you want a formally interview uh so i think that that would kind of be

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Head over to all-PHLY.com and join the best sports. fans in the city. I mentioned that Discord and the PHLY Lounge, one of the questions that we got from there was it was a long question. It was a good one. And it was from Scott Rell 23. And he was kind of asking about the Nick Siriani CEO coach model. And he talked about how Harbaugh and Tomlin are that CEO coach. And it's a successful model. He said, however, both of them, while extremely good, there are stoic leaders of men. I don't know that Siriani is not that but from the outside looking in. I don't see it. Maybe he is that too, but the sideline antics, jabbing with fans and pander into the city, all distract from it. My question is, what have you seen from

Siriani that might lead one to believe that he can't fill that role? Is there something that the public doesn't see that will lead you to believe that he can be that stoic, steady, CEO type? So I'll jump in first here. And I'll say this, not that I need to defend Nick Siriani, but I think you've seen it firsthand. I think you saw when the Eagles were in a tough spot in 2021, 2 and 5, and Nick Serriani gives up the play calling, and that root speech got mocked publicly, but I think the way he kept that locker room together, the way he kept the team believing. Nick Siriani's superpower, if you will, is his ability to kind of connect with people. It's his ability, you know, useful. I was watching back to our show. I remember

you saying at the time, but I really liked it when you're talking about NBC. coaches and part of it is like managing egos managing stars right like 90% yeah and look the NFL there's a schematic part of this but that's a big part of it too you have a locker room of 53 competitive people 90 it's an it's a 90 man roster you need to find a way to uh i don't want to use the term inspire but you need to connect with all these guys you need to make them play at their optimum there's there's so much um that would would would would would kind of go into that And I think Nick Siriani's demonstrated that at an elite level. Yeah.

And the one thing I will say, because, you know, the idea of like Harbaugh and Tomlin being more stoic than Siriani. And honestly, Siriani reminds me of me a little bit in that like, you know, you can try and be rational and propose bad Kili Ringo trades in here and just. But like, honestly, like take a step back and have a more nuanced view of the team. but once the game starts and once the Eagles give up like a seven-yard completion in the first quarter, like I'm losing my mind. Sure.

The difference is he's getting paid to actually steer the team. So I understand that. And I think he does need to change some of the stuff he does on the field, I would say. Like I do think that that is the case. Also, you mentioned like his ability to connect with players. And I think we've seen a lot of examples of him doing that. Like the fact that Jason Kelsey and Fletcher Cox, like, really stood up for sure i think that means a lot to me the one pushback i would say to that is

let's make sure you connect with the current quarterback because there's sure uh frankly like all 53 players if you're 52 out of 53 but that's the one you're on a different page with the results are not going to be so great now in fairness i don't know what the actual dynamic is like but there we have seen enough things where we can at least have some questions about how that um is uh is looking but you know honestly like you look at mike tomlin early in his career as well. Like he was pretty fired up on the sidelines. Like I remember some of those big Ben games when they

were a Super Bowl contender, you know, back like 2009, that era. Like, he was pretty fired up on the sidelines. Like he was, he was jacked up. He was high-fiving people, stuff like that. So maybe coaches can change a little bit. And like, I thought that was cool

when Mike Tomlin was doing that as well. I guess the point I'm making there is that coaches can change over time, right? And hopefully Nick is somebody who can at least look at, okay, this didn't work, this worked, and maybe kind of change his behavior in the way that he thinks is best for the Eagles. I think you put it well. I don't think Nick needs to change his personality.

I think he can modify his behavior. I think he's used this anecdote to me a few times where he's on the plane and he looks at the store, you know, I'm sorry, he looks at the flight attendant. And like if the flight attendant is calm, then he knows to be calm. And we heard Fletcher Cox in the studio right over there. year say like you know that you're kind of getting that from the coach and so I think that his his body language matters his demeanor matters but I I don't think he needs necessarily change who he is I think authenticity is important I like the point you made about the connection

with Joan Hertz because use the MBA example like like JJ Reddick if if he does a great job connecting with Dalton connect like that's great but really it's about LeBron James right and you know Paul Westhead when he was the Lakers coach. Jackson. What's that? Great example. Yeah, you could be great with the rest of the team. It's what Magic Johnson thinks of you, right?

And you go on down the list in the NFL. Dan Reeves could do a great job. It's what John Elway thinks of you, right? So the relationship that matters most in there is a relationship between Nick Siriani and Jaylon Hurts. And the one positive, you did say, like his player management, his ability to rally the team in year one was like special how good it was. Like I thought that was a tremendous coaching job. It's just that we're two years away from that and we had, frankly, a pretty bad coaching job at the end of this last year. So is that guy still in there?

I think there's a chance there is. Two more questions here. In your opinion, I'm sorry, this is from Ed Helensky, Julia. In your opinion is this current Eagles roster top 10 in the NFL? And I'll jump in. Yes, I do think they're a top 10 roster. I think there's a reason why they are top 10 in Super Bowl odds right now. and it's not because of Nick Siriani.

Like, it's because of the roster, right? I mean, Nick probably factors into it, but when Bo and I did the skill position rankings, we had the Eagles high up on the list. If you do a quarterback ranking, there's going to be a lot of those in the coming days and weeks. You know Jaywin Hurts is going to be in the top half of the league. Absolutely.

There are questions, obviously, on the defensive side of the ball. But if you did an offensive line ranking, Eagles would be top. 10 in the league. I think that, and I've said this all along, and this kind of is one of the notes for this season, is that if the Eagles struggle, Jeffrey Lurie is not going to hold the roster against Howard Roseman. It's going to be on Nixiriani. And so I think that from the Eagles perspective, they absolutely have a Super Bowl-winning roster, oh, a Super Bowl caliber roster. Well, I think it's pretty clearly a top 10 roster, Zach, and you know why? I googled roster rankings and four

different publications ranked the Eagles in the top 10? I know it's true. In different places. So I think one of the things was looking back to last year, though. I think most people heading in the last season thought, okay, this is a top, maybe the best roster in the league. Like I don't think many people had them lower than like a top three, top four roster. And the one thing I would say is that we learned during the season, the Eagles did not

have the best roster in the league. And sometimes at around this point of the season, those rankings might overindex a little bit on past performance, where I think the issue last year is that you looked at the secondary and you saw Darius Slay and James Bradbury both coming off amazing years, but kind of a weaker crop of players behind them and the fact that they were both older players, and one of them in Bradbury completely fell off a cliff. I think the good news is this year when you look at the secondary, and this gets to the discussion we had at the top of the pod, is that like Cooper to Jean and Quinyon Mitchell and Kili Ringo.

Not only do they have a chance to be good, but they have a chance to be good for a long time. They have a chance to be ascending players, but they probably don't get the same credit in those rankings because we haven't seen them do it that long. Just a little bit of Kili Ringo is all we've had from those three players. And even Isaiah Rogers as well. That was a couple of years ago.

Let's see how he looks when the games actually start. So I think when you look at the Eagles roster, what do you think, though, when I compare it to last season, let's say something goes like wrong, though. What is the position group you think that if it turns out, man, this isn't a top 10 roster? What is the group that kind of falls apart and causes that to be the case? Because I would argue it was the secondary.

Yeah, good question. I would say the lines of scrimmage on both sides. I think that the Eagle Steel Position players are outstanding. I think they've done work on their secondary. They lost the Hall of Fame Center. and they lost a franchise hall frame right defensive tackle right and i think that even when eagles have had like the the 2021 roster was not especially good at skill spots was not especially good in the secondary uh but they were really good in the trenches and when you're good in the trenches you have a

chance to win and i think it's that it's proven that time and time again and the eagles have questions at right guard right if lane johnson goes down um how's how's macaa pectin as as your top right tackle. Cam Juergens, even though he's a natural center, there's a question there, right? And then you go to the other side of the ball. The Eagles lost their best pass rusher. They lost, they lost, I don't want to say their best interior player last year. I thought Jeline Carter was really good, but Fletcher Cox played at a high level. Did they adequately replace this on Reddit? Did they adequately replace Fletcher Cox, right? There are, I think that the big question for the Eagles this year is the line of scrimmage. I think it's the D-line. Yeah, I just, you just wonder, especially if Jalen Carter

any amount of time. Like, where are they getting their pass rush from? And I think the answer better be, I mean, it better be Bryce Huff. But I also, like you mentioned Nolan Smith earlier, it feels like we're not talking about him at all, you know, and hopefully he can rebound from a very quiet first season. Last question here.

This is from Steamboat Philly. Right now, he was watching the Phillies Dodgers game last night that we talked about. Right now, the Dodgers have a position player pitching. If you had to pick one Philadelphia Eagle to pitch an inning in game who would it be so I have two answers here yep first one a j. Brown okay yeah for a baseball player yep it's funny you would think the number two answer for me would be jail and Hertz I watched a video of all the quarterbacks throwing pitches they're not that good at it at all times now like

would Jaylen Hertz be like in my top three or four players of course like he yeah he throws a ball for a living he gets paid a lot of money I'm sure he could figure it out at some point the other answer I had was a Jake Elliott. Because Jake Elliott's good at everything. Great hand eye coordination. Yeah. Yeah.

I had Jake Elliott on this list. The other player I had, please don't laugh when I say this. I'll laugh before you said. It's Zach McPherson. And the reason I have Zach McPherson, Zach McPherson was a really good baseball player growing up in, in Maryland. His brother, Matt McPherson, was a fourth round pick who played in the Yankees farm system. Zach McPherson was recruited the Penn State to play both baseball and football.

he was if he just wanted to play baseball he would have not just been drafted but he would have been a decent draft pick and he had options to play college baseball elsewhere he was a center fielder and so even though he wasn't a pitcher if you're throwing the ball from center field i imagine you can throw the ball from 60 feet six inches so i'm going with zach mcpherson for this list also for the two to kind of take this conversation even further if you have your position player are pitching. You don't want to be one of your most valuable guys. You don't want to put G.1. Hertz on the mound. So you can put like the special team slash cornerback and have him eat submitting. So I would go with Zach McPherson for this example. Good answer.

So that was the mailbag. We are back tomorrow. Won't be rich tomorrow, unfortunately. But we fortunately, we will have Jamie Lynch in this seat. And Jamie and I will be talking fantasy football. We will be talking about the Eagles top options. We'll be talking about some options in the NFL as well. Like I said, Friday will be going through the 2025 NFL draft with Devin Jackson from the Inquirer. I will have an Eagles only mock draft three rounds coming out Friday morning. I have some other Eagles content coming on all p.hly.com as well in these next two days. And that all gears up to next week when the countdown the training camp continues. I've enjoyed doing these four shows with you, Rich. And I'm, I'm, I'm,

I hope I'm allowed to say. You said on the show last week, you're heading overseas. Yeah. Pretty soon you'll be at the Olympics. So make sure, well, I was going to say, you're not doing the newsletter from overseas, I imagine. No. Yeah, okay. Yeah.

So you can, when Rich gets back, you can check that newsletter in your inbox every day. But we hope you have a great time overseas. I hope Nice is nice. And Paris. Three days in a row for that one. Yeah, Paris is not quite like Paris, Paris, and Vegas. But it's the next best thing. Great food city.

Yes. I've heard that. I've never been to it, but I've been to Paris, Paris. That's very good. All right. I appreciate it, man. This has been a fun four days. Just in the dead time of the offseason, it was good, man. What's the dead time? This was fun.

This was fun. So thank you to Rich. We hope you have a great vacation. Thank you to Julia. As always, we will be back tomorrow with Jamie. Bo would say, as always, we love you. I would say we'll be better tomorrow. you for watching.