PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | Philadelphia Eagles training camp: New England Patriots practice fallout for Saquon Barkley & co.

Episode Date: August 14, 2024

A day after the joint practice with the New England Patriots, we’re discussing the leftovers from the head-to-head action and what to expect from preseason game No. 2. What should we expect from Kenny Pickett and Tanner McKee? Will some of the starters play on defense? How was Zach’s trip to the Brown Student Union?It’s also a mailbag episode, so join Zach and Bo to unpack all your Eagles thoughts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody and welcome to the PHLY Eagles podcast on a Wednesday, 2 o'clock, Bo Wolf, Zach Berman. Zach is still on the scene in New England. He is in the shadows of the Rhode Island State House. He's very disappointed that the viewers can't see it behind him, but he is on the scene. I'm back in Philadelphia. We have lots to talk about. Some leftovers from the joint practice yesterday, a preview of what to expect tomorrow night when these two teams play each other in a real but fake game.

And your questions. It's a mid-week question and answer. A Wednesday whale bag. Zach wants that alliteration. He's very happy to have it back. How are you doing Mr. Berman? I'm doing well. It's not an exaggeration to suggest I spent 15, 20 minutes trying to get this background

as I wanted to be. I couldn't quite get the lighting because the sun was coming from behind, but I'll give a sneak peek if I can. Let me do it. Let me see me. Look at that. You can't, can you see it? I don't know who cares. But I had these, well, because this is a visual medium,

and I'm trying to get the good visual behind us. Yeah, but you're not covering Rhode Island politics. No, but for instance, when you're watching ESPN, and they have the skyline in the background, right? It's for a reason. It's the nice backdrop. So Claire F appreciates the efforts. Claire, I appreciate you watching.

I think the only cool thing about the Rhode Island Statehouse would be, if it was purposefully tiny, like if it was the smallest statehouse in the country. That would be cool. Yeah. No, I had a nice morning in Providence. I was doing a lot of transcribing at a coffee shop this morning. I got to see Brown's football facilities. It was nice.

And now I'm excited to talk Eagles. Do you hit up the Student Union? I walked by it. I did not necessarily go inside the Student Union, but I found a coffee shop where I was listening through to all the interviews from yesterday and started writing a Cooper the Gene story that will go online later this afternoon. What's the hook? Just catching up the audience on Cooper the Gene and then the fact that he's back, but also

what position is he going to play? And it's a way to kind of incorporate some of this slot corner conversation about two different positions. And it's an entry point to discussing like how the cornerback situation has you. evolved since his injury because when he got hurt, I wasn't viewing Quinionette Mitchell as an option in this slot. Now, obviously, as we've discussed, he is an option in the slot. So it's going to kind of incorporate some of that. But really, it's because the Gene talked. And I thought, you know, there is a free day to here to do some writing. And so I wanted to get ahead of it.

Well, Cooper DeGine is part of a conversation that I wanted to have with you as I was thinking about this before, you know, trying to get some shut eye on the flight home last night, I think that we, because we have this daily show, we can get a little bit caught up in the, you know, the race for the roster spots and like who's going to be starting. And we're so focused on who's going to be starting week one that I think it is important to think to remember that like a lot of these guys who are not going to start week one are still going to be playing for the team at some point this season. So how do they look as opposed to, you know, how is the horse race going and like i think tyler steen is one of these players we've been you know we we have talked

about tyler steen is almost definitely not going to be the starting red guard week one but i would imagine that at some point this season tyler steen is going to start in a game and i actually think that tyler steen has looked pretty good when he's been on the field i think he's looked better than mackay becky peckton but um i like i think that that's a positive sign like cooper jean is certainly behind in the race to be a starter week one because who knows where he's going to play, he has a lot of catching up to do. But of course, if he's healthy, Cooper DeGina is going to be a part of this defense at some point this season.

You know what I mean? Well said, and you are right. We do spend so much time on the daily happenings of practice and who wins this job. But if you look in past years, I mean, just look last season. Josh Job factored into the season. quite a bit. Eli Ricks factored into the season quite a bit. Injuries are inevitable in the NFL. Performance changes are reality in the NFL.

And typically highly drafted rookies get the benefit of the doubt in terms of, you know, when things being equal, you want to get these guys on the field. I think Cooper the Gene's skill set was such coming in that because he's, he's versatile, you can find a role for him early. I actually recall one of the conversations we said where maybe the gene, gets on the field earlier. This was before we looked at Quignan Mitchell as a slot, where maybe Quinyon is kind of developing behind other guys,

and then the Gene, because he plays slot, gets on the field earlier. Regardless, it was notable that the Gene said he learned three positions this summer. He's been, or I'm sorry, this spring. He's focusing on corner and slot, but I think that versatility does make him an option to get on the field whenever he's ready. And I, I think there's a good.

chance. Like he said it's realistic that he plays in the third preseason game. I think there's a good chance we see him then. I would think so too. I mean, you want to see him do something. And I'm very curious to see where he's going to line up whenever it is that he returns to practice next week. What are your expectations playing time-wise tomorrow night? I think it would be operable to last week, but maybe even less so. I don't anticipate starters playing. Maybe some of the, I don't want to say French starters on defense, but some of the guys up for or in like roster competitions, like maybe your Keeley, Ringo, Isaiah Rogers plays, right? Or even the linebackers. I think Devin White and

Zach Bond might play, yeah. But I don't think like Bryce Huff is going to be out there like he was last week. Maybe Nolan Smith's out. I don't think Jalen Carter is going to be out there like he was last week. I don't think Jordan Davis is going to be out there like he was last week. Now, the one thing I should add, though, about defensive linemen in particular is they have, they have, they have, They don't have as many numbers there, right? So if you take away three of these guys, you are kind of limited. But I don't think we're going to see a lot of them this week. And you don't expect anybody on offense?

Do you think we'll see a Bexton again? I don't. It's a good question. I don't. But I think the guys on offense will see those competing for the third receiver job, obviously. Coffey and Johnny Wilson. And then a tight end, I do wonder, I don't think Goddard's going to play, but they don't have like, they, they don't really have tight ends.

They have three guys, although you can get by with three guys. Don't they have four now with the Washington guy? That's right. Yes. That is, that is right. The well-dressed Armani. Yeah. Right?

So, no, that's a good point. And then running back, like, I think you'll see Shipley. I think you'll see Gainwell. those guys aren't starters. But I'm not expecting you to see much of these players at all, the starters. Okay. All right. Anything else you want to get off your chest before we begin the mailbank portion of the episode?

Anything from practice yesterday that you think we left out that you wanted to get in? I mean, there were lots of specifics that were covered, I think, in the practice report on all-P-H-L-Y.com, if you are diehard. Yeah, I mean, to me, it's still, it's just at the, defensive line for the Eagles dominated that portion of the proceedings. Now, the Patriots offensive line, by all accounts, is supposed to be pretty bad. So you take that with a pretty big grain of salt, but it was nice to see all of those guys, like really wreaking havoc. Sure. Listening through today, I thought Lane Johnson gave you an interesting comment about the use of motion and why it's beneficial for the offensive line. And he said anything that that

that like keeps the defenders, it makes them stop for a beat is beneficial to the line. He said he saw it for years with Dallas when Kellen Moore was there. So it's interesting hearing the O-Lyman's perspective because we typically don't think of motion from an O-Line perspective. Well, the reason I asked that is because he said something about it on the podcast with Chris Long about how it actually affects his job, like the timing. Kind of the timing of the stances. And he didn't talk about that part when I asked him about it.

So it's not just a positive that they have to adjust to up front. Yeah, he was talking about the tight end in particular and like where the tight ends lining up and how that affects your stance. Yeah, it was a good, good Chris Long episode. They all are, I would say. Yeah, I agree. But some can be better than others. That is true, just like our show. Just like our show.

Today, today is the most important day of the summer for the Eagles, Zach. Well, today is the most important day of the Ph.L.Y. Eagle show, because it is today. It's the show. I actually think the most important day of the P.H.I. Eagle summer, Zach, is next Thursday, the Ospreys. Yeah, you're a big Osprey's guy. I know that. So that will be a big day, and I look forward to seeing what you have up your sleeve. Your creativity is unmatched, and this is a chance for your creativity to blossom.

Two o'clock next Thursday, be there, or be square. All right. I'll leave after an hour. I just want to make that clear. But I imagine Bill will continue on. And we're coming from practice. And maybe there will be other guests involved. Yeah.

So I won't be in the regal attire that we've used for past Ospreys. I hope I'm not offending me. So you will not be committed. Got it. No, I'm coming from practice. So? Will we discuss practice at all on the show or is it totally dedicated to the Absolutely not.

Especially not if you're going to get out of there in an hour. Okay. I thought maybe we would talk about the team, but okay. We have so many episodes, Zach. We can talk about that the next day. Actually, there's no show the next day. There's no show the next time. Yeah, fair enough.

All right. Let's get to the action here. Now, first question and a good question coming in just, under the gun, I believe from Claire, J.J. McCarthy, out for the season in Minnesota. Bad news for J.J. McCarthy. Any chance that they might be interested in a Kenny Pickett as a competitor to Sam Darnold? This is news to you. Oh, yeah, he's missing the entire. You know what? You think a guy is up on the NFL news, and all of a sudden he drops his phone, drops his attention for 10 minutes, and he lost.

I knew he had the meniscus injury. I didn't realize it was. The season ender. Wow. So the second part of that question was, will they be interested in Kenny Pickett? No, I don't anticipate that. Be the case. They signed Sam Darnold.

He's the starter. I don't think they would trade draft inventory at this point for a backup quarterback when J.J. McCarthy is the future there. Yeah, I agree. This is not the situation where I think Kenny Pickett would be attractive to a different team. I think it's more likely a contending team

loses their backup quarterback, something like that. I don't think. I mean, they have already basically chosen San Darnold over Kenny Pickett. There's no reason for them to bring Kenny Pickett in now. Well said. All right. Now. I also want to just, I put a quote on Twitter earlier.

It was a question you asked. It was a good question, a good answer from Jaywin about Tanner McKee. And he discussed how he said they give Tanner a hard time for the Stanford thing. but his football IQ and the questions that he asks are beneficial to Jalen in the quarterback room. And people had some fun with that in the replies, like comparing that to Kenny Pickett. I just want to say, I didn't include. He was asked about Tanner McKee. Yeah, for full disclosure, the first part of Jalen's answer was like about how all the quarterbacks in the room.

Then he said, because you asked about Tanner. And then he answered about Tanner. So I did not include that in the quote that I put up there. Yeah, and I asked specifically about his growth over a calendar year. You know, Kenny Pickett's only been with Jalen Hertz for a couple months. But that was, you know, I thought the first part of the quote wasn't as interesting as the Pickett part. I'm sorry, as the McKee part, but just thought I would give the context there. What kind of engagement are you getting on those bad boys when you're just, when you're resurfacing those quotes and doing that transcription?

Are you asking out of curiosity or out of condescension? No, out of curiosity. Is the bang worth the buck? I actually don't know, but... It's a long game you're playing. It's... Yeah, it's... You want to be the guy that people come to for everything you need to know.

Yeah, I kind of feel like, you know, we're not a volume play on... We're a subscription website for the most part, right? Where you're coming to us for analysis. and stories you're not going to find anywhere else, typically. So some of the press conference quotes, if you will, unless it's offered with the context of analysis are not necessarily on the site. We discuss them on the show, but I think social media is a good forum for some of those quotes.

I don't put all the quotes up, but some stuff that I thought were kind of interesting. Or if, you know, like Professor Selman listens to every press conference, right? He does a great job with that. I recognize a lot of people out there don't. So if you're not doing a daily story on the press conferences, then the audience doesn't know what's said sometimes. So, yeah, so I try to give bits and pieces on social.

I think it's a good forum for that if I'm not writing the daily story. So the engagement. Honestly, some get picked up more than others. But I really don't, don't do that as much for like to try to get retweets and likes as much as it is. like, all right, you now here's here's some insight on the team. All right. A question. We will start with Pavon, Zach, and he wonders, because this is a particularly of interest.

We talked about it yesterday. I believe the wheel route touchdown to Sequin Barclay was in 21 personnel. Pavan wonders without a good wide receiver three. Do you think we will see more 2RB looks this year? He said there was a Pat speed writer that described both Gainwell and Barclay in on the same play. For context, the Eagles were in 20. only 2.3% of the time last year compared to 7.2% league-wide. Now, I have some numbers here for you, Zach.

And I will tell you why I think this is particularly interesting from the how much is Kellynne Moore doing versus how much is Nick Siriani doing in the design. So as Pavon mentions, now this is a, it's a slightly different number that I have from True Media. I had the Eagles. They were 18th in the league last season in 21 personnel usage at 2.2% the year before. when the offense was one of the best in the league. They were 28th.

They only were in 21 personnel, 0.4% of the time. And then in 2021, it was 1.5%. Kellen Moore, last year with the Chargers, when he was running the show for the first time, all on his own on offense, the Chargers did not run a single play all season long, Zach, in 21 personnel. And then his two years in Dallas,

when you would think this is a chance to get two running back, two good players on the field at the same time. When you had Ezekiel Elliott and Tony Pollard, and boy, can Tony Pollard be a factor out of the backfield, they were still below average. It was 21st in the league at 2.6% in 2022 and 2.3% 22nd in the league in 2021. So this is not a Kellynne Moore expertise, 21 personnel,

but we have seen it enough this summer. that I expected to be involved to some degree, but I don't think it's going to be a major part of the offense. How about you? Yeah, good question. We discussed this on yesterday's show when I made the point of saying they're running this a lot in practice. Like they better be using this in games.

And you said not necessarily. I don't like 21 personnel just for the city. If you just have two guys in the backfield, I don't necessarily like the geometry. of the offense there. Now, what I like is if you view one of them, let's take Will Shipley, for instance. If you think Will Shipley can be a quasi-receiver, right?

So you start them in the backfield and then you flex them out, which is something that they've been doing. And it's a way to, you can get certain tells on the defense. And in that case, he's a running back by position, but he's really a slot receiver on the play, let's say, right? Or let's say you do that with Kenny Gainwell or Seekwon Barkley. I'm okay with that. if your second running back becomes your your third receiver on a given formation.

I'm not as keen on having two receivers, a tight end, than two guys in the backfield. I don't like what that does as much for spacing. I actually feel the opposite. Interesting. Okay. I think the idea that you're going to catch the defense off guard, like, oh, my God, all of a sudden, Will Shipley is a wide receiver. now? How are they possibly going to cover him? Are they going to use a running, are they going to use a linebacker or a safety? You know what they're going to do? They're going to treat him like a wide

receiver and he's not an above average wide receiver. This doesn't catch defenses by surprise. And I think we have seen this in practice, especially with the Eagles when they have tried to use it. It is not some fancy little thing that's going to like drive defensive coordinators crazy. Now, I did look at the yards per play just across the league in the different formations last year. And 21 is slightly above average. The problem with that is that it's the Niners' offense carrying that to a huge degree because Kyle Juscheck is on the field and that's their best offensive formation, right? So it's not exactly what we're looking for.

We're not talking about a fullback who can do different stuff. We're talking about these two running backs and one of them is being flexed out. Do you have the Dolphins numbers in front you? I don't mean to put you on. The dolphins were the second most often in the league. And that's the other one that's doing. It's those two teams, I think, ran more than, you know, those two teams combined ran more 21 personnel than every other team in the league. Yeah, and the dolphins would be the best example for the Eagles because they do it with Mosterd and A-chain, right?

Now, that said, as much as I like Will Shipley, he's not Devon A-chain, right? He's not Rih Moster. So it's a valid point. I hear so, yeah, if you have a lineback, If the team sees that you have two running backs on the field and they're playing base or, you know, they have three linebackers, right? And so the linebacker follows Will Shipley out and you say, all right, that's a potential mismatch. But I do think teams will typically just view that as they'll stay a nickel in that formation, right? It's not as if it's not as if one of them is a fullback.

And so in that case, you're not using Will Shipley or Kenny Gainwell as. a blocker for Sequin Berkeley. You know, it's not like the old pro formation or the I formation. So I see your point, but there are certain tells and, you know, I'll defer to Coach Flynn on this, but you can, I mean, you can see certain, you know, man principles, his own principles based on who's following the running back out to the slot. although you can do the same thing by putting Britain Covey in motion or Johnny Wilson in motion or Devante Smith in motion. Right. Yeah.

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Oh, okay. You just paused there. Yeah, I just give a little room to breathe. Okay. Okay. Next up. Question from Dulce. If Lane goes down, any chance they slide Beckton out to tackle and have Steen play guard.

My guess is no. And the reason I say this, I could be wrong, because we haven't seen this. enough yesterday and with Boelowulf's prompting, Boat did a great job, bring this up. So I asked Nick Siriani yesterday about whether they need to get Tyler Steen some reps at right tackle because Bechtin's getting work at guard. And, you know, Seriani kind of said, everyone, you know, needs to be versatile. I actually got a funny text from another reporter afterwards who said,

it's just a clever way of asking if, you know, Beckton's won the job already. and I was like that actually wasn't the intention of it, but I kind of suppose. But it's part of it. I mean, he has. Yeah. So, but that's a roundabout way of saying, I could be wrong, but I think right now in Tyler Steen's career, he's a better tackle than guard. Again, I could be wrong.

He certainly is more experience at tackle than guard. He played tackle throughout college. Now, not necessarily right tackled that the whole time. He was a left tackles last year in Alabama. But guard, the tackle to guard, transition was a transition, right? So I think that rather than moving, if Beckton's comfortable at guard, and I presume that the reason he's starting is they like him at guard, I don't think they switch up two spots. I think they would just put Steen or maybe Fred Johnson at right

tackle if something were to happen to Lane Johnson. Yeah, that's why I just want to see them move things around a little bit with the backup with the number two offensive line. Like I'd like to see Fred Johnson get some snaps at right tackle. I know that he's done it in the past, but, you know, Lane is the guy who you need to be really concerned about. So I'd like to see some more movement there. I mean, at some point, I want to see Trevor Keegan getting some reps at right guard. We haven't seen a ton of movement with the second team offensive line,

which I think just by memory is a little bit behind schedule. So maybe we'll see a little bit more of that after the second preseason game, some more moving around. but I am curious about that. And I do think that, let's say, something happened to Lane, I would imagine that they would probably move Steen to right tackle. I don't ask this in a patronizing way. I say this because you know my admiration about your understanding of the backup offensive line is sincere here.

Do you think they were better last year with Jack Triscoll as the backup right tackle, or this year with Tyler Steen or Fred Johnson at right tackle? I mean, so Fred Johnson's here and he was there last year. So you just assume that that cancels each other out. And Strystal was. Yeah, but Trisco was a, I think that Drisco was a cromulent backup right tackle. I think they were probably a little bit better last year.

Yeah. So I did have one question for you. Cromulant, I think it was cromulent, came up in the spell check yesterday as like it it wasn't showing up as a recognized word. Do I spell it wrong? No, you spelled it correctly. But then it was kind of viewed, did you use cromuland or did you use a version of? I think I said cromulence.

Cromulence. That's that's what it was. Yeah, you use cromulence. And cromulence wasn't coming up as like a formal word. But then it said in like informally, it could be used. But I wanted to give you credit there because, you know, I never want to change someone's copy. I only like adjust for spelling or for if there's like a misname. But I'm like, did he mean to use credit?

I mean, Cromulence made sense from a grammar perspective there. But I didn't know if you wanted that changed. But yeah. So what did you do? I kept it as is because I thought the spirit of it was correct. And I thought, yeah, it made sense. Thanks. Yeah.

Okay. Now, let's talk about your appearance on Shields show yesterday. I thought you did a great job. Thank you. Good conversation. I do have one takeaway. Yeah. Boy, did you get absolutely hosed in the trade for Quentin Johnson?

I mean... I didn't like those terms. You are just pissing away draft picks. A fourth? A fourth from Clinton Johnson? Yeah, that's insane. A first round pick last year? Okay.

I mean, I didn't like the, I thought the fourth was, am I wrong there? I mean, they're giving up on a guy after one year. He's, I mean, is there a fourth wide receiver in the league who you would trade a fourth round pick for? He's under contract for three more years. In 10 starts last year, 38 catches for him. He had a more productive year than Joan Ranger had. when John Rigger No

No no here let me put this one No Joe and Rager The Eagles got What a six that could be a fifth For Rager after two years That were not nearly as productive As Quentin Johnson after one year I kind of hesitated at the trade price

But I said that Because of the relative upside That you're getting For someone who was the 21st overall pick In the draft a year ago is, you know, he turns 24 on September 6th. He's under contract for three more years. He was on an offense where the quarterback missed the last, what, six games of the year last year.

So, yeah, do you disagree? I mean, what, would you say a sixth, a fifth? Maybe a sixth. I mean, I would have to look at the precedent of, you know, first round picks traded one year later. He's, I would think they're willing to trade him after one year. It's a different regime. That's the signal. But if he,

he is their number four receiver right now. So you're trading a fourth round pick for a number four for someone who is on a team as a number four receiver. That seems like awful value. I mean, I think that he, it's not the GM who drafted him. Like I said, Helen Moore,

the Eagles offensive coordinator, presumably was part of the decision to draft him. So I didn't like the conditions of the trade, as I said, on Shill's show. but I don't think a fourth is a crazy deal for Quentin Johnson. Jack, correct me if you think I'm incorrect. I mean, if Howie were to ask me, I would say try to do a fifth,

but if it's a fourth, let me see like wide receiver trades. I think it's pretty bad. But as a gift to you, and because we have a question here from Conan, I believe, who are some of the potential wide receiver targets, I have prepared 10 trade options for you, Zach. Okay? Mm-hmm. Are you going to focus on searching or would you like to listen to the options?

I will listen to the trades, yes. Okay. Let's focus on what we have in front of us. I was trying to answer your question, but go on. I didn't ask you a question. I just told you that you were just poking at me. Gotcha, okay. All right.

Here are 10 semi-realistic trade possibilities for the Eagles, varying from guys who would come in and, you know, not make much of a difference to guys who are a little bit higher level. Alphabetically, we begin with the Arizona Cardinals, you boy. The Eagles sending away a paltry seventh round pick to Jonathan Gannon in exchange for Zach Pascal. No, I would not. I think Zach Pascoll's replacement level.

Well, that's why it's a seventh rounder, but that's not interesting. I'm saying, I think you can, I'd rather hold on in my pick than trade a seventh round for Zach basketball. Okay. The Baltimore Ravens, the Eagles are sending Eli Ricks down 95, and they're getting back an old friend, Nelson Agilor, is an eagle once again. I like Nelley, but I would not do that trade. I would rather have a 23-year-old corner than give them up for Nelson Aguilor. Okay. Buffalo. The Eagles are sending Ben Van Sumeran, a man who was born to play in the snow in western New York. He's going to the bills in exchange for Marquez Valdez Scantling. I actually like that one.

Yeah. I mean, to me, Ben, I'm sorry, Van Sumeran is a, I don't want to say a fringe player, but he's not guaranteed to make the team. Valdes Scanling, even though he was on the free agent market, he gives you speed. Yeah, I wouldn't mind that with that one. He's a one-trick pony. It sounds like he's probably not going to make that team. Okay. So then you probably wait for a cut down day there.

But look, they traded a pick last year for Albert Oaks. They didn't want to. Now, MVS would not go on to on the waivers. So if you want to. So in Albert O's case, they theoretically, we're not theoretically. dramatically in practice. They did want to jump waivers. They thought he was going to be claimed, and they were the 31st waiver claim. So. Yeah, the only thing I would say for MVS, I mean, I think he is not a great player, obviously, but they don't have a player on the roster

right now who offers what he has, which is just speed in a straight line as a backup wide receiver, right? Like, it's, Anaya Smith doesn't offer that, it turns out. Paris Campbell doesn't really offer that. I mean, it's basically an upgrade over. John Ross, kind of. But, yeah, that's not moving the needle. It's not changing the ceiling of the 2024 offense significantly. All right. Carolina now.

This is a bit bigger. The Eagles are trading away Tyler Steen. They're cutting bait and they're getting back the old man, Adam Thielen. Yeah, from an age profile perspective, I don't love that. Look, Tyler Steen, I'm not ready to give up on a young offensive lineman. who you drafted the top of the third round a year ago when you have some older players on the offensive lines. So no, I would gear, I would lean toward no there unless Jeff's

outlet makes the determination that Toddorstein can't play. And I don't think that's the determination if made. Yeah, I don't think I would do that one either. Yeah. All right, Denver. Cortland Sutton, Zach. Now you're talking my language. It's coming to Philadelphia in exchange for a third round pick that turns

to a two if he plays 70% of the snaps. Yeah, no, I'm not doing that. I'm not giving up a third or a second for a high-paid veteran when I already have A.J. Brown and Devante Smith. Part of the appeal to Quentin Johnson trade was that he's on a rookie contract. You're not getting that so much. You're not getting that with Cortland Sutton, so no. Okay.

Houston Texans, one of the teams we have talked about for a while as having a wide receiver surplus. this one is basically the Kevin Bayard trade. The Eagles are sending a fifth for Robert Woods. No. No, I would want to try to get my hands on METI in that case more so than Woods. Okay. A fifth for Mnchi, I would do.

But that's not what you proposed to me. Okay. This one is as low level as it gets. Miami. The Eagles, no offense. The Eagles are sending Terrell Lewis to the dolphins in exchange for Anthony Schwartz. Yeah, I would do that. Terrell Lewis is not going to make the team.

Anthony Schwartz can run like the wind. So, yeah, I would take that, definitely. Okay. I like Anthony Schwartz coming out of a upcoming on, Valburn. Yeah, of course. Not work out, of course, with the Browns. But Anthony Schwartz, yeah, give me Anthony Schwartz. Now, John Ross, I like John Ross.

brick quote has the son, but I would rather the upside of Anthony Schwartz. And a good point from Shea to keep in mind about Robert Woods, Zach, one of the best wide receivers of all time. From Troy Eampton. That was also like six years ago. But yes. All right. Let's get our New England trade in here.

Yeah, boy. Tyquan Thornton and a sixth are coming to the Eagles in exchange for Darian Conard on a fifth. I see, showcase DK. Yeah, yeah, I would do that. Now, Blaine Johnson gazzed up Kinnard yesterday. And look, Kinnard was a former fifth round pick by the chiefs who the Eagles signed quickly to a futures deal from when I understand gave him a good amount of money to on a futures deal. But, no, I would take Tyquon Thornton, a former second round pick. greater position of need and for a one pick swap.

And by the way, the fifth is likely the end of the round. The sixth is likely at the top of the round. I know there's some comp picks sandwiched in between, but I don't think the spread is that significant. Okay. All right, here's the big one. Our penultimate offer, the Seattle Seahawks are sending Tyler Lockett to the Eagles in exchange.

for both 2025 third round picks. Yeah, no, I'm not doing that. How old's Tyler Lockett now? I think 31 or 32. Yeah, I don't like giving up two third rounders for 31 or 32 years. Last year was his first year under 1,000 yards in quite some time.

He is 31, but he turns 32 in September. Golden Tate wasn't even that age when the Eagles gave up a third for him. Well, yeah, but the Eagles love giving up third round picks for old wide receivers. You're not doing that? No, I'm not. Are you? No, not for both of them. Probably not.

All right, last one. I'm not doing it for one of them either. I might do it for one. Look at you. I should be turning this around to you. Well, he's an actual NFL player. Quentin Johnson has barely proven that. Johnson's 24 years old. Okay. So is an Ia Smith.

That's true. Maybe they should have thought of that before they drafted an Ia Smith. All right. Last one, the Tennessee Titans, and I want you to grade this trade on a scale of two to eight. The Tennessee Titans are sending Trailing Berks and Mason Kinsey to the Philadelphia Eagles in exchange for Nacobo Bee Dean. Why is Mason Kinsey in the deal? So that we can get the right scale. Yes, I would do that deal. I would take Trail and Berks.

You're an eight on that one. Yeah, I don't know the Kinsey. scale. So I don't want to say anything that's that's going to be a drop in here. But I will, I would give Dean straight up for Brooks right now. Although I did see as I was walking today on Twitter that Brooks got hurt. Is that right in practice? I think he left practice today. Okay. I don't know the Kinsey scale though. So what's what's good on the Kinsey scale? I mean, eight is as far as it goes. Okay. So it's it's like the baseball scouting. thing where it goes 20 to 80. It's not quite the same. Gotcha. I get baseball scouts to

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Last-minute tickets, lowest price, guaranteed. Where do you stand on the wide receiver discussion? Do you think that this is becoming something that needs to be addressed? I do think it needs to be addressed. I disagree with Nixiriani that like 1 through 13, they're loaded. I don't mind that Britton Covey, Johnny Wilson, combo, if you're just getting by with it for, like, if that's your third receiver, if you tell me A.J. Brown and Devante Smith are going to stay healthy.

But this team's in, this offense is in trouble if A.J. Brown or Tvante Smith go down. And I know the obvious answer is any team that loses an all-pro player is in trouble. But there are teams that have more sufficient depth. If they had spent a third round pick last year on John Hyatt, as you had in your shadow draft, then you feel a little bit. better about their depth at that spot. If they use, now, I don't know how Troy Franklin's telling. If they use the third round pick this year on Troy Franklin, who, you know, actually, I really do like what Joe Holt has shown.

So I can't knock that pick. But Austin Booker, my guy is also supposedly having a big summer. Yeah. So I would, I would see that. But I don't like the position that they're in if AJ or Devante go down. and I do think that having a young cost-controlled third receiver would be beneficial to them. And I think the Johnny Wilson hype has more to do with, I think he's been good, but I don't think it's, and I think it's kind of compared to the rest more than anything else.

What about you? I do think it's a significant issue. I think for a team with as high aspirations as they have, who knows how important offense is, I just, I will be shocked if they don't add something else. it's it's not enough agreed yeah i'm looking at so howard asks a wide receiver's trades by the way there have been if you're looking for precedent there have been some bad wide receiver trades of former high draft picks uh which might make you a little concerned about the about acquiring a quentin johnson but like chase claypool is an example um and there's there's a few uh you know

levis chanall was an example of like former these guys were second round picks who've been traded and they didn't do it as much with their new team. So it's a valid point that maybe the team that's trading them actually knows why they're trading them. Yes. I mean, it's the thing we always talk about. There's got to be a reason that the team's letting go of them. And so in this case, you can maybe talk yourself into it's a new regime. And this is not the way that Harbaugh wants to play necessarily.

But yeah, I think if they're willing to trade them, there's, I mean, it's not even like they're cutting bait on a guy who's their number two receiver right now. He's their number four. Actually, I would say the most comparable trade, the most comparable trade from an Eagles perspective, and this wasn't a draft pick. This was a player for player trade, was Doriel Green Beckham,

who was a high second round pick who had some production, some upside the year before. The Eagles traded Dennis Kelly for him. And clearly the Titans won that trade, but that's probably the most comparable in terms of player profile. Okay, reasonable. McJiggle, Zach, wants to know what current Eagle should he get a Kelly Green jersey of,

factoring in things like the time you think they'll be with the team, the impact they'll have, how they'll be remembered, etc. I would say AJ or Devante would be the way to go there. I think that, I mean, obviously, John Hertz is the franchise quarterback. I think Sequin Barclay's popular one now, but I want to do. take Sequin if you want a long-term thing. If you have a seven-year-old son who's going to grow out of the jersey in a year, get the Saquan-1.

Kids love running backs. But if I'm being honest with you, I would buy the Jason Kelsey, Kelly Green from last year because that never goes out of style. People will always wear the Kelsey Kelly Green, and it's a cool Kelly Green. Yeah, that's a reasonable answer. I think you could go Lou Nichols too, but. There you go. My seven-year-old son, Reed, was playing badden.

It came out yesterday or Monday for the ratings. And he calls me yesterday. He's really excited. And he says, I got a pick six with Quignan Mitchell. Can you tell him that? And I was like, I was like, so I said, sure. And then I called before bedtime last night. And he said, did you tell Quigion that?

I was like, no, I haven't seen Quigionan since we spoke two hours ago. He doesn't know that. I know. He said, what are you going to tell Quigion that? Tell him. So I got to find the right. I want to know if Reed had him on the outsider in the slot. That's a good question. Probably, I don't know, probably wherever he wasn't the game.

But he got a pick six with Quigion. And I asked him how the game was or how the how the game is. He said, the graphics are better, but the controls are harder to learn. And I was like, it's the first day. You got to give it some time. But he's excited. he's real excited, but he got his pick six with Quineau Mitchell and he's pumped. Reed, read, read, read, read, read, read, read, read, read, read, like that.

Bryce Panders wants to know if Bo could add one eagle to his softball team, who would it be? I mean, the obvious answers, A.J. Brown, Jake Elliott, right? But we're a championship winning team. Those guys would have trouble getting on the field. So just give me Lou Nichols so we can hang out. Sweet Lou, I like that answer. I do have to say, I wanted to say this yesterday. The championship game the other night,

it was nice when we showed up. I haven't felt like a little bit nervous about a sporting, like a thing that I was doing myself athletically. In a very long time, it was great to have some nerves. What a good thing. And you grossing the occasion, two ding-dongs, right? In the second game, in the championship game, man. Yeah, I mean, it was nice.

So it was nice to have that feeling. You don't get that feeling a lot these days. That's the great thing. That's what, if I'm being honest, like if I can contribute to this conversation, when you speak to retired players, the obvious answer is, I miss the locker room. But really, the answer you hear the most that is, like,

comparable to that is you missed the competition, right? Like there's a, that feeling of competition, the excitement. It's hard to mimic that elsewhere in life. That's why even guys who go into, media race back into coaching your front office because you're so used to having a standings, you know, win and a loss. And it's hard to mimic that. So that's, that's cool that you felt that. You deserve that. You're a good, you're a ball player. Thanks. Okay, a question from, Mike from the Sickos Discord. All right, Zach. They have put together a fantasy football league.

and it is up to you and I to determine the order that they're going to pick. Now, we have the team name so far, the Delco Stair Sprinters, Colin of Duty Scorezone, Devante's Inferno, What Can Brown Do for You, Team Name or Name Team, Bose Shottie Wi-Fi, Lord Poopington, Frisky Dingus 89, five sprinting barbies and then we have three unnamed teams team three, team four, team seven.

I believe that we should give those teams their names. Okay, so we're picking this, we're picking the draft order based on the quality of the name. We don't have to, but I think that's how we should do it. Now, I'm going to go ahead, Zach, I'm going to make Bose Shottie Wi-Fi picking 12th because Shottie is misspelled.

Okay, otherwise that would have been towards the top, but shoddy misspelled, unfortunately, you've got to go to the back of the line. Okay. I'm going to give, I'm going to give team name or name team the number one pick. Pick it after your heart. Okay.

I'm going to give five sprinting Barbies number two and the Delco Stair Sprinters number three. Okay. I'm open to your input on the rest of these. I like Devante's Inferno. You want to make that number four? Yes, that's a clever one. Now, it's not a P.HLY Eagles or birds

friends reference but it's still a clever name that davantes inferno uh that's fine yeah um i'm going lord poopington number five okay lord poopington the contribution to the chat often uh team three we're going to go ahead and call them uh rbs for h z running backs for what for hz i don't like that but okay okay um why don't we give uh team four what's a what's a what's a what's a Julia name we can give team for? How about Julia's high school? Okay. Yeah.

I was going to give out Julia's screen name from a... Oh, yeah, go for it. I don't know if she does it. By the way, Zach, speaking of Julius High School. Yeah. Congratulations. Thank you very much. Thank you.

Explain. My high school team is being inducted into the Athletic Hall of Fame. and it's really a credit to my teammates and my coaches has very little to do with me, but I am proud to be associated with my teammates to this day, proud to be associated with my coaches to this day. I take a lot of pride in what our team accomplished, very little to do with me. But it's cool that these guys are being honored. If I can speak frankly, it's belated.

The Philadelphia News voted us to. Oh, yeah. I mean, I don't know why it took 20 years for this to happen. The Philadelphia Daily News picked Sean Greve is the player of the decade. We were the team of the decade, according to Ted Salary. But it's awesome for the guys on that team. I think we had, I could be wrong here, 13 guys go on to play college baseball. A few went on to play in the minors.

They deserve, honestly, they deserve this recognition more than like anything else. And that they were, they're the best team in school history. And I'm proud to be associated with them. So it has nothing to do with me. It has everything to do with those guys. Yeah, but now you're going to be a Hall of Famer. My team will be a Hall of Famer. Yeah, I don't think I am a Hallfamer.

I think Julian, I agree that we need to cover this for the show. Honestly, I would cover it to give, I would have you guys to give recognition to those guys because they deserve it. Like, literally, I'm not even being humble, has nothing at all to do with me at all. I mean, although my junior year, I did lead the team of batting average,

I just want to make that clear 667. Nice. And that's because I batted three times that year. I put that together, yeah. Yeah. So, but yeah, credit to those guys. They deserve it.

Team seven is going to be the Church of Ellis. Okay. They can go seventh. And I'll let you fill out the rest. I don't know. I don't know what's left. Frisky Dingus 89 goes 11th. Okay.

What can round do for you goes 10th? And then then we'd do Colin of Duty, score zone? Oh, yeah, that's, that their ninth.

Okay. There we go. Is that everything? Yeah. Yeah. Like that. Nice. All right.

Were there any questions you had earmarked that you wanted to get to? There were a lot of good questions. We can circle back to this. We won't. Why not? By the way,

this is such a fun show. I don't know why you're so resistant to it. Were you offended, by the way, that I say, that the Tick-Zack Bo was inspired by Shield's exercise. No, I wasn't offended. Why would I be offended? She'll said you would not like that.

I mean, it's your thing. Yeah, okay. I didn't create it. Fair enough. We don't need to ask those top three restrooms, public restrooms. I don't think that's necessary. Bowe's top five. Bose top five ZB mispronunciations.

Although I got to say, I received DMs. You got a Lancaster one. People said you weren't far off. Yeah. With the Nantucket one I was far off on, I think. But Lancaster, not so much. What are the chances? Devante is a better year than AJ this year.

I think if they're both healthy, I would be surprised. If for Devante to outproduce AJ, what about you? Yeah, I would be surprised too. But I think they're both going to have really good years. Beau's music choice. This is from Andrew the Checo. He does an outstanding job covering the Eagles over. He does Inside the Byrd.

He does 97.5 The Fanatic. Credit to Andrew. He's 85 years old, it turns out. I don't understand the joke. What's the joke? He was talking about his, he tweeted that. His highlight of going to Boston was going to the place where Boston recorded their debut album.

Is that a band, Boston? It is. Okay. Is there a song that I wouldn't know? More than a feeling. How does that go? Yeah. More than a feeling. So I do want people to know when I do this, this is not me playing an act.

Julia can attest. I don't know music at all. This is not even cultural illiteracy. It's just like there's cultural things that I know. I don't know music as well. I know the stuff that Chip Kelly played in practice from Shazam. The answer to Andrew's question is Mountjoy. I love that. Okay.

I'm all in on Mount Joy. too. An idiot sandwich says Bob Dylan guy though. Yeah, love Bob Dylan. Took a class freshman year on Bob Dylan's lyrics. I have some good papers that I wrote. Got an A in that class, Flex. Debatable. That it's a flex or that I got an A? No, that the papers were good. Ouch. I mean, I think relative to other freshman papers, I think that was good. I think I wrote a dissection of positively fourth street. Yeah. Yeah, so these are some, I think we did a good job with this.

All right. You will be surprised to know that we have an actual football question from Kill a Cow. Okay. I have surprised to know. Who are this year's initial 53 casualties, but back on the roster week one or two candidates? No, good question. I mean, CJ Usama is the obvious one, I think, vested veteran, right? you made the point the other day that maybe they can get by in that Packers game with a practice squad elevation.

Maybe they can do that throughout the year. I think if I'm looking at this here, I mean, John Ross would be a possibility for that. Orrin Berks. Orrin Berks. I mean, they're going to have an IR decision coming up with Warren Berks. Yeah. Yeah, hasn't practiced yet. Yeah, that's a good one.

Yeah, there's actually, there's not a ton of guys of vested veterans battling for roster spots. You might have thought Matt Hennessy could have been a guy there, but it seems like he might not make the team. Otherwise, yeah, I mean, I guess that's about it. Kila Cow also wants to know and make sure that you hit the like button and all that good stuff. Subscribe, evangelize, thumbs up. Here, can I ask one more? And this is a good one.

Well, hold on. Kielkeye also wants to know. He had a dream on Monday, he says, that I left PHLY to become an OBGYN. He wants to know what would be your preferred second career if sports journalism and everything related to that wasn't an option. When I was younger, I would have said politics. What in politics? So I love the West Wing and I was always fascinated by the speechwriters. Right.

So writing speeches. I mean, Eli Zaslow, when I was, he's one of the best writers alive. And he did a great profile back. It must have been, I think I was at the Star Ledger at the time, to 2010 on John Favro, who was Barack Obama speechwriter. And it was just like the way with words like that. I mean, there's, I would love to be in sports. I love sports. I think front office, you know, I can't be in sports.

No, he says sports journalism. Well, I think that that is related. But also, you could be kicked out of the front office once you agreed to the Quentin Johnson trade. I don't know about that, Bo. I mean, there's people in front offices who traded Chase Claypool for a second round pick, right? So, or he traded a second round pick for Chase Claypool. Yeah, so I actually don't know.

I don't think that's as crazy as you say. I can say I have so much respect for teachers. You know, I enjoy being a professor. There's things in business that I like, but probably politics. I was at political science. It's so funny because you don't want to have anything to do with politics otherwise. Yeah, because I don't like to talk about my personal politics. But if it's my profession, yeah, I mean, I don't think, I think for this show, I'm trying to attract everybody.

I don't want to turn off anybody. I think politics, especially in today's day and age, is polarizing. I don't want to, I want to be a welcoming show. And so I don't want to rub anyone the wrong way, one way. If you're trying to open a window to everyone, you end up catching pneumonia. Is that an expression? I believe that's Vonnegut. Okay.

Yes. But, no, I think that I'd make the joke that. I think I've said this to you over text that the least appealing thing about politics is that you have to reveal stuff about your personal life. But then again, Jed Bartlett had MS and he didn't reveal that. So you got away with that. Of course, the famous documentary about American politics. Yeah. Yeah.

So anyways, what about you? The question was for you because I don't think he'd be an OBGYN. Why not? Would you want to be an OBGYN? Yeah, why not? It seems like a very helpful job to have. You know, I remember, I'm not going to say who this was, but this was a person I used to work with who said that when he's at like,

I always say dinner party, but like who goes like dinner parties? If he's at like a party or if he's talking to like a cab driver and they ask him what he does, he says a proctologist because he says no one has a follow-up question for a proctologist. But if you say you're a football writer, everyone has a follow-up question. So, yeah, the proctologist gets you out of a conversation quickly. No one's like, oh, proctology, I should have gone into that, you know. Yeah, but you also, what if, what if they do have a question about it? A very specific question about themselves.

Then you've gotten yourselves into a real pickle. It's like George Costanza being a marine biologist, right? I did want to end this with one question. Go ahead. Yeah, this is a good one to end on for the game tomorrow night. Okay. Position battle, you're most interested in seeing Thursday night. And this was from Bryce Harper School of Pandering.

Now, see, I didn't give this one because we had already answered one of his questions, but that's okay. Oh, I just think we should end with the game. I mean, I think it's linebacker because we can tell more from a game about linebackers than we can from practice. I think that it is very much still up in the air about what the early season rotation there is going to look like. and I don't expect that both right guards are going to play. So that's my answer. How about you? Yeah, I think linebacker's a good answer there.

I'm curious. I don't know if I would call this a position battle, but I am curious to see these depth safeties. I want to see how Bradbury and Matt. I presume they'll both play Bradbury Maddox, and I do want to see how, if this is a position of Eagles need to address, or if this is a spot that they can get by

with Maddox and Bradbury and also if it's realistic that they move over Cooper the Gene if they don't think that the depth is sufficient. Yeah, good answer. And then as Dean says, Zach, as a political speechwriter, we choose to pee standing up

not because it is easy, but because it is hard. Well, first off, I'm great admiration for political speechwriters. I would not incorporate peeing standing up in a speech, but I would actually disagree with the premise of that, Dean. I actually think being standing up is easy,

but we don't need to get into that. People are really having fun with this stuff. There's actually real honest to God issues. I actually think that... And you will not discuss. Yeah, if I was running for politics, I actually think that's like if I was being interviewed for this and I was being a politician,

I'd be like, why are we so interested in the fluff? Like there's real... It's the old expression that you campaign in poetry and you govern in prose, right? I believe Mario Cuomo said that, that I would be far more interested in the prose than the poetry. Okay. Whatever.

We don't have to get into it. We're over time looking close to show. All right. Joy is not doing well. Let's let's let Joya feel better. That'll do it for this episode of the P.H.L.Y. Eagles podcast. No 2 o'clock show tomorrow because we will have once again a kickoff show, a half an hour before kickoff with Jamie Lynch and myself.

and then a post-game show following. And Zach will hopefully join us from Gillette Stadium, both before and after. We look forward to, well, I mean, it's possible you don't. I hope not. That means a bad thing happens. Or the Gillette Wi-Fi is out. Sure, sure. If I can just give a quick plug here, we didn't read it today in the ads,

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