PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | Philadelphia Eagles training camp: What does the preseason have in store for Jalen Hurts & co.?

Episode Date: August 2, 2024

Fresh off their open practice at The LINC, the Eagles are pointed toward a stretch of four practices in a row before the preseason opener next Friday night. As the offensive line injuries turn, a new fill-in starter debuted Thursday night while a rookie receiver is starting to move up the depth chart. Could a swap also be in store between Tanner McKee and Kenny Pickett?Join Zach Berman and Bo Wulf for a Friday roundup of everything you need to know, and some of the things you don’t. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody, and welcome to the PHAI Eagles podcast on a Friday afternoon. Bo Wolf, Zach Berman, here for one last show this week. We saw the Eagles hit the Lincoln Financial Field turf for the first time last night in front of an announced 50,000 fans. We'll say that very loosely. Zach Berman, how you doing? You're looking. You're looking nice and beachy. I'm just excited for the show.

It's been a fun week of shows. Let's close us out on a good. Good note. Eagles have a walk through today. They are off tomorrow and then back on a practice field Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and then we'll have you covered. And then we'll have game day coverage on Friday. But Zach, before we get into the major festivities today, I have prepared for you a reverse tick-zac-Zak bow. So we'll call it a Bozak tick. But generally speaking, you know what? It's as that wise editor told you low those years ago, write the quarterback, start with the quarterback. Last night, it seems like the story at Lincoln Financial Fields Act was the quarterback, Jalen Hertz, and the offense looking good. What did you see?

What was the most encouraging from Jalen Hertz's performance? Well said. I thought Jalen was especially sharp last night. perhaps it was the nature of the practice, the adrenaline of the crowd. The offense, the first-team offense was efficient going down field. Jeline didn't miss many throws at all. There was one pass to Paris Campbell down the left sideline. It could have been a touchdown.

They did not connect. But there were a couple of passes from McKee as well. It just looked like Paris Campbell wasn't all the way where he should have been a couple times. I wonder if that was also the case on that one. But something was a Paris thing there. Right. But overall, Leggeline, you know, three touchdowns to Dallas Goddard. He had a play at the end of practice. Anyone who's there, like you said, an announced crowd of 50,000. There were a lot of people there. I don't know the exact number, but more than what typically watches the training camp practice.

So if you were there and you saw this, the final, so Nick Siriani was doing situational work. There was, it was like a third and eight maybe on, there's 35 seconds left on the 25-yard line, or it was something like that. One play, the Kenny Gainwell wheel route, Gainwell beats Nicopi Dean, perfectly placed passed by Hertz. But just overall, like, Hertz was putting the ball in the right spots, making good decisions. The touchdown passes that Goddard, they weren't, like, sensational, but they were just, you know, navigated the pocket well,

sensed the pressure, knew where the receiver was. This was the type of practice where you say, all right, Jalen Hertz is just playing the quarterback position at a really high level. That's what stood out to me.

Just in terms of how he navigated the offense, how he knew where to go with the ball, as we wrote in our practice observations, I think the three touchdowns, the Dallas got her, are noteworthy because Goddard has not been really a high touchdown producer for someone. Never had more than a five in a season. Yeah.

With his skill set, I mean, six in the past two years playing with J. Owen Hertz, four of those or three of those were inside the 10-yard line. But you would expect a tight end like Goddard to have more than that. Now, I understand the Eagles are a push-push-push-happy team when they get near the goal line. But it just the touchdowns that Goddard caught and the two-point conversion, too, he caught a two-point conversion as well. They were the types of plays that it was like schemed up well. He was in the right spot.

And it just makes you think maybe they're going to utilize Goddard in a better way near the goal line this season. Yeah, I think big picture. You know, this was the most explosive the offense has looked since probably maybe the first day of training camp, right? And for it to have be in pads and the second day in pads, I think is notable. Nice to see some downfield completions from Jalen Hertz to. to AJ Brown and the like. And yeah, like after the defense mostly won the day when they were in pads last, it was nice to see the offense bounce back.

You wonder if they had some stuff, you know, specially schemed up for the stadium and for the defense just to, you know, send a little message across Vic Fangio's bow. Well, on that note, I was remarking on Anthony's show today, plug, how and how Nick Siriani does not approach these public practices. the way Doug Peterson did. Doug Peterson, I don't want to say he, he did it through gritted teeth. That would be a false characterization.

But those practices, the public practices under Doug were especially light, right? They did not show much. They did not practice long. It's like, all right, or here, it's going to be almost like a glorified walkthrough. Nick had, it might have been the longest practice of the Siriani era. They went over two hours left. Seriously. Yeah.

I mean, yeah, it was 830, and we all thought they were. wrapping it up and they sent the twos back, you know, they, they sent the, uh, the, the, the twos back on the field. Um, they, they, they had live contact drills yesterday. I was very surprised. Yeah. I told you. I expected it to be a relatively light practice because they had a soccer game there the night before. Um, I think the organization still in the back of their mind feels the, uh, the ghost of Stuart Bradley at flight night. Right. All those, over a decade ago now. And so, yeah, I was surprised. So Nick, now we can debate whether he was good in, he's been good in these situations,

but he's like obsessed from his characterization with situational football. And I bring that up because he views, I saw the look. I know what you're saying. No, no, no. We have, we've talked about this for you. Just because he's obsessed with it doesn't mean he's good at it. It doesn't mean he's good at. I agree.

Yeah. Yeah. So I think he viewed last night. And he said this to an. extend. He viewed last night as like a situation to work on. And what I mean by that is they literally went through the pre-game practice routine. They don't do that before a training camp practice, but he's like, we're in the stadium. So they're going to like practice their practice routine. He wanted the coaches to work on the communication that they would have. Yeah, of course, remember last summer?

Yes, exactly. Howie Roseman comes running over, Sean, Sean, Sean, Sean, Sean. Now that was an foreshadow. Yeah, that was. Sure. That was, yeah. Real foreshadow. Yeah. So, Nick, I do think Nick views the practices at the link as like advantageous, something

that, and now there's only one of them, but yeah, someone remarked to me because we, for those who, well, obviously those aren't watching them, they practice with us, we're in the press box for most of the practice, right? So it's almost like a game type setting. And so one of the reporter says, Zach, have had. Have you ever remembered Nick having a two-hour practice? And I said, I have to think back to 2021. I don't know about 2021, but certainly not 2020 and 2022 and 23.

Like this was, they were going at it. You know, my wife and son were at the game. I'm sorry, at the practice. And I told them, yeah, it's going to be like 90 minutes. And they had to go home, right? I mean, they were with other kids. You know, kids had to get back for bedtimes or whatever. I gave them false information saying,

90 minutes. Yeah. Well, speaking of false information, people in the chat are sort of poking fun at the 50,000. I will share this story. I think I've shared before. I remember being at a, when I worked for the team, being at a preseason, it was like a Manchester United game at the stadium that, you know, this would have been over a decade ago. And being in the room when they just made up the number. Like they had like the ticketed gate and they were like, let's say this. I mean, they just make it up. There is. Although they didn't even give a specific number. They just said, what did they say? Approaching 50,000 or something like that?

They said nearly 50,000. So nearly might be doing work there. Look, I. You know, the least trust were, although that was just one time. But, you know, it did not feel out of the ordinary. I need to say, I would, if I were in that situation, I would say like 46,383. Like I would pick a number. That's what it was.

They made up a specific number. Oh, oh, they made. Okay. Oh, yeah, yeah. It was like, let's say, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Okay. You see, that's the way to do it. That's the appropriate way to do it, right? But I can't say anecdotally, walking through the concourse for most games. But walking through the concourse, it was crowded. Like, there were a lot of people there, for sure. I mean, it was definitely more juice than they've had for any practice thus far. No doubt about that. I have a hard time determining. I mean, even if it was, even if it was half of what they said it was, 25,000. thousand for a practice is pretty nuts. I wish they had more, you know,

for the sake of the fans. I understand that, you know, I a living financial field is a busy place. Like we said, it was a soccer game. This past week, there's, there's concert coming up

like you mentioned. So, you know, and these things take prep work, whether it's the field, whether it's a stage. So I I get that. It's not as if you have a blank slate. I also think one thing that they factor in is the parking lot situation, right? You don't want to have it the night that the Phillies are playing.

Last night was an off night for the Phillies. So I get it, but I do wish for the fans there was more than one opportunity to see them play. And we talked about this during schedule release. The Eagles are only at the stadium. I was talking to one of the security guards about this. They're only at the stadium two times now before Michael Dunn and, and comes on October 13th, right? Like, there's the third game of the preseason.

Good news for Marissa. And then there's the third game of the preseason against Minnesota. And then there's week two again. Then there's the week two game against Atlanta. But otherwise, this is, like, they're on the road. So the team did announce, by the way, there's going to be a viewing party at the link for the Brazil game in week one. So another opportunity for people to go to the stadium. Sure.

Zach, would you like to know the categories for the rubric of Bozac Tick? Now, the specifics of practice, the more exhaustive notes are on all-P-H-L-Y.com now. You can check those out if you want all of that. We're going to sprinkle in some of the things that are important there in this episode. Zach, I have vertically, offense, defense, and other. And then on the other side, I've got berm count. love Zach and the franchise. The franchise, of course, an ode to the franchise, Philadelphia Eagles,

a curated history of the Eagles coming out wherever books are sold on September 24. Thank you for that plug. It's appreciated when you, and now you do it because I imagine it's probably bothersome to the audience when I keep doing it. Not at all. Let's go with, do I have to say berm count? can you do all right let's let's go with berm offense berm count offense okay this is a good place to start because it's nitty gritty from last night three and and you know correct them if i'm wrong if there are more but three

interesting moving parts um depth chart wise on offense last night that i want you to tell me your your thoughts on and maybe which one you think is the most notable so without lenned dickerson brett toth got the first shot at left guard a bit of of a surprise and then later in practice, Trevor Keegan took the reps with the ones. That's one of them. C.J. Usama working in with the ones as the number two tight end in place of Grant Calcutary yesterday. That's number two. And then number three, Johnny Wilson, the sixth round wide receiver who got a little bit of gas from Jalen Hertz and Nick Siriani before practice.

Substitutes in in the red zone, gets a corner fade from Jalen Hertz with Keeley Ringo in coverage. does not haul it in, but, you know, notable that he goes in and he stated in the red zone and worked a little bit with the ones throughout the rest of practice. Which of those three do you find the most interesting moving forward? Well, I find the most consequential to be Johnny Wilson. I agree. And the reason I say that is I do think Johnny Wilson has a chance to factor into the number three receiver spot. I asked Nick Siriani before practice, based on kind of Britain Covey's question about how the number three receiver here, isn't ball-centric and you're kind of looking for a player who fits there between AJ and

Devante or with AJ and Devante, I should say. And I said, so are they looking for a particular skill set as opposed to just kind of like the best, the most talented player? And he made the reference that it could be a different, it doesn't have to be one guy. Like there could be times when you want Johnny Wilson's size. There could be times when you want Paris Campbell's yards after the catch. There could be times when you want John Ross to speed. There could be times when you want Britain Covey's route running, right? But I think the inclusion of Johnny Wilson there is noteworthy. Because I imagine there will be times when the Eagles will want Johnny Wilson's size.

Jalen Hertz, like you mentioned, used the – he said during his media availability that the work that they did during the summer is paying off. And he gave the example of Johnny Wilson making two catches, two nice catches, is doing one-on-ones in the end zone, and the two of them, Jalen and Johnny Wilson, work together. I definitely think he's ahead of Anaya Smith at this point. And I think he's pushing to have a role on Sundays. So we'll get your thoughts there.

But as far as the first two, I don't put as much stock into the Brett Tooth one. I think that's just a veteran who Stoutland Light. He's the only interior guy who is a holdover. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. And then CJ Uzama, yeah, I mean, that's interesting because I said on yesterday's show, Kran Kal Katara is like the clear number two. That's the way they're talking about it. Usama has more experience. So maybe that's worth watching. But I do think Wilson's the most consequential of all of these. Yeah, I don't think there's any doubt. Wilson's the most consequential.

And I think as underwhelmed as I have been by the other wide receivers, and as much as I still expect them to potentially add at some point, you know, I said earlier this week, I would like to see Johnny Wilson getting more time with the ones now because I think he has the most upside there. And, you know, the more reps he gets with Jalen Hertz, the better. And I think if you are just trying to clear a low bar, some combination of Johnny Wilson and Britain, Covey is probably good enough to get it done. It's not ideal. You would like some more there. But if those two guys are splitting your wide receiver three reps based on the situations, then maybe you could do worse than that.

And, you know, I think coaches maybe sometimes overvalued the blocking. But that was the first thing that Siriani mentioned about Johnny Wilson yesterday in his press conference. So for a rookie, like, that's a good way to get on the field. And then, you know, if he gets a. target a game, you know, that's, that's not that bad. And so, yeah, I think, I think, in service of the team being better as the season goes on, I think Johnny Wilson should be getting these reps now. Yeah, if they combined and then split, uh, Covey and Wilson, you'd have like a 6-1, 200-pound wide receiver who, who, uh, gets in and out of breaks and

can also be physical downfield. So, that's Johnny, Johnny Covey. Johnny Covey. Uh, and then the, on the offensive line thing just with Tooth. I think it's a little bit interesting that Matt Hennessy doesn't get those reps. We haven't seen Matt Hennessy play left guard at all in the spring or in the, summer. It's only been right guard and center, which I'm still reading as he's a low-key competitor for the starting right-guard job because that's where he's been focusing. But if Dickerson's going to be out for a significant time, then I would expect Hennessy to get to get more look there. So we'll see how that goes. I agree with you there.

Yeah. Over to you to pick the next one. And I will say, Zach, very Eagles heavy. Even the other category, two of the three are Eagles questions. There's only one non-Eagles question here today. I appreciate this. I feel like I'm on your good side today at the beginning that football show. Let's go the love category defense.

Love Zach. Love Zach. I'm just going to say, Birm, love, and franchise. Well, that's why it's my job to say. I love Zach. Okay. A love Zach is a little old place where. So we saw and heard at the end of practice yesterday, Brandon Graham, sort of soaking

it up and getting on the mic talking to the Philadelphia fans. He said that he's really trying to savor his last go round. My question for you, you know, prognosticate. What do you think Brandon Graham is doing a year from now? What do you think post-career Brandon Graham is going to be up to? Yeah, good question. Is there a chance that he will be back? Well, I don't think he is going to be back.

First of all, I don't think the team's going to want him back for your 16. I think Brandon's, yeah, I think he's enjoying the farewell tour, right? I asked him earlier in the week or maybe last week about, like, he was everywhere this summer. And that was just with events, like, yeah, I would see on social media. But then anecdotally, I hear people say, oh, I saw Brandon Graham here. It's all Brennan Graham there. You guys run the same social circles. You see each other all the time.

Well, we have kids the same age, right? So I asked him, I was like, yeah, busy summer. And he's like, yeah, you know, he says the wifey, right? So I'm just kind of quoting him here. He says they decided that for the farewell tour, he's just going to say yes to everything. Right. So anyone who wanted to do something, he said yes. So to answer the question, though, that's true.

That's true, although we did have him on the show. Yeah. You and Jamie had him on earlier this year. So Brandon said, well, he did go to the NFL's media workshop earlier this summer or the spring, the same one Jason Kelsey went to a year ago. He does have media aspirations. But my guess is he has a formal role in the organization. I think there would be some type of ambassadorship that he will take on within the organization. Now, that doesn't necessarily preclude him from having a part-time role or a guest role in the media.

And I think he would be good at that. But he's talked about how he wants to be part of the Eagles. And so I wonder if he's part of the team in a more formal capacity, maybe not in a Connor Barwin type capacity, right? But where like Conner's a part of the front office. but maybe more in terms of trying to think like what Harold Carmichael is now right now where it's almost like an ambassador type role so I could see that now that they have had formal roles that like Quentin Michael once did and Harold Carmichael used to do too where you're like the director of player engagement I don't think it'd be that I think it'd be more

forward facing with the fans yeah I could see that I think Yeah, my guess is he will be in media somehow and then, you know, in sort of a Kelsey-like role in the organization. Like if pass rushers want to work on some stuff, he can do that if they need somebody to address the crowd, all that good stuff. But yeah, he's, I don't think he's going anywhere. Which, and which do you think? Do you think he'll be formally with the media or more formally with the organization? I think it'll start maybe as media first. Okay. Interesting.

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podcast. Indeed.com slash all city. Terms and conditions apply. Need to hire. You need indeed. Indeed, you do. All right, Zach. We've got Bermcount, love Zach, and the franchise, and seven spots available. Where would you like to go? Let's go with the franchise miscellaneous. Franchise miscellaneous. Okay. Watching them last night, Zach, you know, getting back on the field. felt you felt the juice a little bit the offense looked great Dallas Goddard has this this monster day and it got me thinking about you know the the week one debuts okay so in you know 2017 you had the defensive line overrunning Kirk cousins and Washington and you know setting them up for the season to come 2022 AJ Brown has that monster game jayl Hertz less of a runner more of a passer set sets them up for

the season to come I want to know if you are fantasizing about the ideal version of the Eagles in week one. What is the one thing that you think would be the most promising about, like, what could be coming after that? Okay. So two different answers here. First off, the answer that I think answers your question succinctly, which is like the most promising, the one that shows you, all right, this team can be what it needs to be

is answering the questions. and then there's the one that's like best from a narrative perspective, right? So the first part would be if the pass rush is just swarming Jordan Love, the highest paid quarterback in the NFL, right? Like in Philly, this game's a big deal. You know, the Eagles in Brazil, it's exciting. Nationally in the NFL, like the Packers are a big story here. Jordan Love is one of the faces of the league right now.

I mean, I don't mean to make everything about money. But like with that contract, that's a, he's, he's the face of the game. More so. Talk about a love, Zach. More so than Jalen, like this is what Jalen Hertz was a year ago going into the game. Now that's what Jordan Love is going into this game. So if, if Jordan Love looks overmatched by Bryce Huff coming around the edge, Jalen Carter, you know, Jailen Carter just being a force in the middle,

I think that's what portends like the, that's, that's, that's, that's, the best message about the Eagles this season, because I do think the biggest question about the Eagles going into the year is their pass rush. I think from a narrative perspective, Sequan Barclay. I thought this was wearing like, yeah. Yeah, like Seekwant Barclay being Christian McCaffrey,

Seekoine Barclay rushing for 150, catching, you know, 75 yards, scoring three touchdowns, and it's like. Packers fans demanding chromosome tests. So the story on Saturday morning nationally is Sequin is back. Like, you know, Sequin is all he needed was the proof of concept game. Yes. Exactly.

Like, he's in this offense where all of a sudden he's not the number one option. Look what he can do. Exactly. He's running all over people. You know, there's like four explosive runs or, or, you know, past plays that he's a part of. And he looks, he looks like the most dynamic athlete on the field. Exactly. So if the ladder occurs, if the Berkeley thing occurs, I think that's a great story. But I don't think that makes me think, okay, they are the force in the NFC right now. Like they're the front runners or they're up there with San Francisco. I think that if the pass rush and the defense looks like that against the Packers, then I think you start to say, all right, they're going to be in much better shape. Yeah, I think there's a lot of ways you could go here.

Like, you know, you could go back to AJ Brown. You could say if, you know, obviously the quarterback is the most important thing. So if Jalen Hertz is, uh, is diagnosing things and getting the ball out quickly and they've got explosive plays and he looks dynamic a couple times in the open field, that's probably the best thing. If the, if the secondary is confusing Jordan Love and looks like Vic Fangio's got his fastball back, like that's a nice thing. But I think, I think you landed on the, the right places here. I, I was listening. last night on the drive after the game to

you with Greg Rosenthal on the NFL Daily podcast. You were awesome, by the way. Like that was... You said you were going to get material from him. What was the... Yeah, I got to say, I did have material. I thought, like, that was an A plus quote performance. I mean, I want like, you know, it was like...

You want more of that? Yeah, not like the A plus, but like, you were delivering the jokes, but it wasn't like they were coming at, like, Greg's expense, you know? I was having fun. But it was, yeah, I was like, this is, you know, like signed this guy to a long-term meal.

This was an awesome book. You know, people said I would have material. I was like, no, I want this to be the proof of concept. But no, I bring this up because he was talking about how he views the Eagles as this like legit Super Bowl contender. And I think Greg's awesome. And he was saying he doesn't know if they're getting. getting that same type of buzz.

But it's so it's always interesting to hear nationally the view because we're so focused on, well, what about this pass rush? What about this old line? And I think big picture nationally, I think he framed it well. They have so many names on this team and like so much that you look at and you say, that that looks really good. That looks really good. And we can focus on the warts, but in 32 camps right now, there are warts.

right and so you say all right what's the the high watermark and i think the eagles if if they're throwing their fastball their their fastball can play with almost anyone in the league okay well said all right uh lovezac and the franchise are open on offense berm count and the franchise are open on defense and berm count and lovezac are open on other okay let's go love count defense I'm sorry, love, sorry. Love Zach or Birm count. Yeah, yeah, no, I'm sorry. Let's go love offense.

Love Zach offense. Okay, this is a question that was already asked in the chat, and I'm glad that they are on the same page. What do you think, Zach, the Eagles do and Nick Siriani does with his starters on Friday night? I don't think the key players are going to play. I don't think Jay one hurts. Devante Smith, AJ Brown, Sequin Barclay. I think they're going to keep those guys

on ice for the most part until the regular season. You don't think they're going to play at all. No, I don't. And I understand what Nick said after the Patriots game last year, that maybe he'll need to reevaluate their preseason. I don't know if that's Nick as much as the organization. I think

organizationally, they want to get these guys to week one, right? Do you disagree? No, I agree with you. I don't think whether Jalen Hertz plays in preseason is Nick Siriannis' decision. Interesting. Yeah, I mean, Jalen, if you think back to 2000 and I'm sorry, 2012, he played against the Jets for that one drive got pummeled along the sideline and didn't play again thereafter.

I don't think they're going to play in the preseason. I could be wrong. but now I think there are certain like fringe starters or players competing for jobs like that are going to play. I can see Zach Bond playing for instance. I can see Isaiah Rogers Keely Ringo playing, right? But I don't think your front line players are going to play. I actually think most isish of the guys will play. But like, like Lane's not going to play.

Slay is not going to play. I don't think that Jalen Carter needs to play. But yeah, like the. AJ, J. Yeah. Right. But, yeah, the linebackers probably need to play. Devin White included.

Does Juergens play? That's a good one. That's a good one. I'm curious about that. That's interesting. I don't know. Because you might want to give him some in-game center experience. Yeah, that's a good one.

I bet he does get a couple series. This is pure speculation, but we will see. Yeah. Okay. Where would you like to go next? Let's go with Berm Miscellaneous. Berm count other. Okay.

Now, this is one where it's miscellaneous, the same thing. Anytime something happens in practice, right? You got to wonder, is this a good thing or a bad thing? Right? Like when Jalen Carter is shoving aside Mackay Bechton, is that, well, Jailen Carter is a man, or is it, maybe McKay Bechon is not all he's cracked up to be. But a few times yesterday, in particular, Nicobie Dean looked a little bit lost. right. Kenny Gainwell juked him out of his shoes at one point, then beat him on a wheel route.

And so like, oh, Kenny Gainwell's looking good this summer or maybe Nacobi Dean is not. And so my question for you here, Zach, is, is there a chance that Nicopi Dean does not make this team? Good question. Are we talking about being cut or would a trade count as well? Why don't you spread your turkey's trade cut makes the roster? I don't think they cut Niko Bedeen. So I'm going zero turkeys. I'm cutting Nicoby-D. I think that there could be a chance of a change of scenery trade.

Like, all right, we've seen what we need to see. There's still name of people here. Let's try to get something before, you know, let's cut the losses now. I don't know what to tell you here because I liked him in college. I like the idea of him. I'm not seeing enough. He's really like I really enjoy talking to him. Exactly.

I think he's wired the right way. I'm not seeing enough right now. And that's not just a reaction to last night. I think you put it well last summer where it's like what's he doing in practice that's like really popping? You know, is he making, are there like splash plays that he's making? And I remember saying, well, part of like the appeal of Nicopi Dean is like he's in the right place at the right time. That kind of, you know, he's really smart. And I get that, but yeah, I'm not seeing enough so far.

Time will, let's watch the preseason have a better idea, I suppose. Yeah, he made that, I mean, he made that force fumble. Was it in the preseason last year near the goal line? Like, you know, that was a nice play. But like the most, the most positive stuff you usually see from Nacobie Dean on the practice field is like hearing his voice, you know, gassing up the defense, stuff like that. Like he's not making a ton of plays. And, you know, he's giving up big plays in addition to not making plays. And so, yeah, I mean, I'll go one turkey on he gets cut because I do think that if they're going to cut him,

they probably could get a seventh round pick back for him from somebody come cut down day. But I think his chances of being a day one starter are dwindling significantly. Do you think they can enter, yeah, do you think they can enter the linebacker market here? I don't know about free agency, but via trade. I mean, they can enter the Zach Cunningham market. Like that's not crazy to me. It's part of why, like, I admit, he's a similar, it's a similar profile. But like, I remain bullish on the possibility of Jeremiah Trotter being a starter on this defense by midseason.

Mostly because of the other options. So speaking about Zach Cunningham, like he played for Bobby King in Tennessee. He was productive for Bobby King in Tennessee. So there's background with the linebackers coach. There's obviously background with the organization. He is still out there. This is the time of the summer last year, early August, when they added Zach Cunningham. They are notably light in terms of numbers, like overall numbers at linebacker.

So it is something to pay attention to. I don't know. I don't know if I have a soft spot for Nikobi Dean, but I still thinking like, oh, just wait, just wait, just wait. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe he's a game day player. Let's go with one more before the effort.

Yeah, let's do one more, yeah. All right, let's go with franchise offense. Franchise offense. Okay, Zach. What did you make of Nick Siriani's response to my question about the backup quarterback position. I will read the response to you. I asked him, and you know what?

This is a good, this is a good little journalism lesson. I shouldn't have asked this question differently. I said, what have you seen from the other quarterbacks? And is it realistic for Tanner McKee to push for the number two job? I shouldn't have asked the first part. I should have just gone right to. Is it realistic for Tanner McKee to push for the number two job? Because he would have given the same stuff anyway,

but he then doesn't answer that question. But I think you can read a little bit into what he says here. He says, I'm really pleased. with them as well. It's nice to see Will get some reps. I know that got under your skin. He says, I've seen his anticipation. Tanner has done a nice job as far as running the offense when he's been able to go, not quite as many reps as Kenny, but he's been delivering the football with accuracy and anticipation. And Kenny, I think he's had a really nice camp as well. He's got really good athletic ability. And I think that shows up when Kenny is on and when he knows

where to go with the football, he's really accurate and really like this group and excited about this group looking forward to seeing them tonight i think that's a very honest answer yeah i agree very honest answer i appreciate that from nick i don't think we've seen enough from uh from picket as as we've documented i don't know if nick has seen enough from picket either i think this is one of those where they kind of go based on what they've seen on film to a certain extent in the past uh but preseason is going to be a great indicator i still don't see a scenario where tanner mckees is the clear number two and by clear number two i mean he's dressed on game day right but i'm not rolling out the scenario you outlined which is if

jane were to miss any notable period of time maybe that they turned away tanner mackie i i i don't know i don't want to be the product for the moment but what did i make of that answer i found that answer to be honest to when you i mean he's saying he is saying tanner mckee is is in better control of the offense right now. He is getting the ball out and he's getting, he's throwing the ball accurately. Kenny Pickett has better tools. And some of the times when he has flashed has been because he has some nice athleticism. But right now he's not seeing it.

And that's what we're seeing. Now, Tanner McKee got some extra reps with the twos last night and missed a, missed an open throw to an I. Smith coming across, which would have been a big play, missed with Paris Campbell. Campbell, I think that was on the receiver because it looked like a good throw and he didn't get his head around. but it was an imperfect, you know, drive for McKee with the twos. But I don't, there's no doubt in my mind that McKee is out playing Kenny Pickett right now. But there's also reason to believe that over the course of the summer,

Pickett will get more comfortable in the offense and, you know, maybe the tools take over then. But yeah, I mean, Nick being that honest and also being honest with the reps that they're giving out and giving McKee some more reps with the twos tells you that I think this is starting to become a little bit of a competition. Let me ask you this. There are 12 quarters in the preseason, okay? We are, let's, for the sake of conversation, operate under the premise that J-1

Hertz is not playing in the preseason. How are those quarters divided between the three quarterbacks thereafter? I think it's four for Pickett, eight for McKee, four for Greer. see you get a you get to see 2x of mckee here he needs the reps and interesting okay what do you think i was going to say like a half and half situation but because you because you want to whack well greer well no i know i i i was going to say like maybe six six and four yeah six and four that one add up six six and four five yeah five five and two right there's there's 12

oh okay there's 12 so they have my 4-8 board doesn't make sense okay yeah so so 262 is what I would say then okay

262 okay no that's also not right what are there there are three preseason games there's there's 12 quarters there are 12 quarters McKee's going to play six picket's going to play three

and Greer's going to play three okay I don't know maybe McKee's going to play seven and Greer plays one or two here's what's going to happen the first game is going to be Pickett 2, McKee 2. The second game is going to be Pickett 1, McKee 3.

The third game is going to be McKee 2, Greer 2. Okay, so Pickett doesn't play in the third game. Yes. Gotcha. So it's shame for everyone coming from Ocean Township, right, where Pickett was a season ticket holder. You get one opportunity to see Kenny Pickett play unless there's an injury. And Nick doesn't even play him. Come on.

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We've got berm count defense, the franchise defense, and love Zach, other. Let's go berm count defense. Burm count defense. This is one you wanted to discuss. We've got the first interception of camp happened yesterday. Eli Ricks hauling in a desperation throw from Kenny Pickett. Good news or bad news then? this was the first interception of camp.

Yeah, so I think the quarterbacks are being efficient with the ball. There haven't been as many interceptible passes. Certainly from Jalen Hertz, there's one pass. Bryce Huff could have had a Bryce up dropped in the coverage, broke on the ball, could have gotten the pick. Did not do it there, but that was as close to it. Pickett hasn't been totally accurate this summer, but it's not as if there have been these, these near picks. I checked with our friend Elliot Shore Parks,

who tracks every past during training camp. What it was during six practices last year. So I'm giving Elliot credit here. He had Janeline Hertz through six practices, had one interception. Marcus Marietta had three interceptions. And then McKee had one last year in those six practices. This year, there's only one.

Like you mentioned, the Eli Ricks one. I don't know what to make of that from a defense perspective. If the defense, I tend to think interceptions are not a sticky stat. We've talked about that from a year to year perspective. Now, that said, I thought in practice last year, like read Blankenship was, he had a nose for the football, for instance. There were more defense. Yeah, there were more deflected passes.

So maybe there's something to that that they're not getting their hands on. on these passes as much. I don't know if it's the structure of the defense. I thought maybe C.J. Garner Johnson would be a little more active around the ball because he was so active in games and that's kind of part of his skill set. I tend to think this is more of a positive thing for the offense and a negative thing for the defense because I, like I said, I think turnovers on all. I think a quarterback who's interception thrown speaks more to me than a defensive back who like gets.

It's interceptions. So I'd rather see the offense not throw as many than the defense get them. But look, we heard Jonathan Gannon talk about throughout the 2022 season. The reason why the Eagles are getting interceptions is they focus on this more. They emphasize it more than other teams, right? So maybe Vic Fangio needs to get, Jonathan or Nick Siriani needs to call off. The only thing Vic Banjo hasn't tried in 40 years of coaching is. is trying to get turnovers thinking about it.

Let's just talk about it a little more. Let's emphasize it. Let's have these drills where you swipe at the ball because that's going to lead to turnover. So look, I like Jonathan. I don't think that totally added up to me. But I tend to think this is better for the offense than the defense. Yeah, I agree with you for the most part.

I think generally speaking, turnovers are a little bit more a result of bad offense. play than great defensive play on the whole. And so yeah, I mean, it's also, it's been six practices. It's not a, not a huge storyline to me, but I think it's probably better news for the offense than bad news for the defense. I also think there's a case to be made. And I think Seth Wickershan was tweeting about this today about quarterbacks throwing interceptions in practice. Like, sometimes you've got to try stuff. Like, sure. That's how you find out where what you can. doing what you can't do within the scheme and within the play design of stuff, right, against

certain defenses. So it wouldn't be a big deal to me if Jalen Hertz had thrown three interceptions as long as he was also creating big plays and looking sharp and getting the ball out on time. I think it's, I think it's okay. As you say, I am, I don't want to say curious about this, but I just want to float this out here. And I don't know the answer to it. So I saw how I saw Kevin Clark had something where he said like, you know, aggregators are making aggregators of training camp are like making football fans dumber, right? Or that or something like that. Training camp coverage has accelerated to a point that it never was before.

We talked about quarterback stats, but this happens in a lot of markets quarterback stats. And you hear how an NBA games now, like some of the. players are reluctant to put up the the heave at the end of a quarter or they wait until after the buzzer because like you put it up but it doesn't count in in your stats uh you know you you make to mention how set wickersham said that sometimes it's good to throw interceptions but you think there are some quarterback in practice yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i'm sorry in practice because you're working on things but because everything in practice is now being recorded do you think there's any any quarterback who's maybe two online who's like

I don't want to have this interception all over social media. I don't think so. I mean, maybe, but I don't think that's a, I think that would be silly. But I mean, it's the, I mean, like I, you know, I was scrolling Twitter last night, and there's like, as a clip from the stands, like, oh, Nolan Smith beats Lane Johnson around the edge and almost gets Jalen Hertz.

And, like, Nolan Smith, like, Lane Johnson is pushing. him around. He wants him to go around so that he stays away from the pocket and then Jalen Hertz escapes near him as if like Lane got beat by Nolan Smith. And Lane did exactly to Nolan Smith what he wanted to do to Nolan Smith. Like exactly. It's all nobody knows anything. Myself, but this is, look, players are online, right? Like, like players. Yeah, remember Deshawn Watson tweeting after Elliott Shore Parks had the, didn't Elliott have stats from the practice? And Deshawnson was like, you know, that's cap or something like that. I forget, but I'll look that up.

I look that up. All right. So let's go with, what do I have? We got Lovezac, Other, and the franchise defense. Let's go the franchise defense. The franchise defense. Very straightforward one here for you. You just mentioned him, your boy.

And I want you to go on the record here before you see how Vic Fangio does. Peck Nest migrate, Jim Schwartz, Jonathan Gannon, Vic Fangio. As a defensive coordinator. Yeah. I mean, I'm nesting Jim Schwartz. Um, I think Jim Schwartz is underrated.

I think he's awesome. I love that scheme. If I were a dec coordinator, I would run that Jim Schwartz scheme. I think it stops to run. I think it pressures the quarterback. Uh, I think it's, I don't want to say easy to install, but it's not trying to outsmart the room,

right? Uh, I would, I mean, I would probably, you know, pec Fangio because I'm getting one game of Fangio's game planning here. You know, and I think that he's seen it all, right? He can he can prepare for the game. And I'm probably migrating Jonathan in that situation.

Look, Jonathan had said two years as a decontinator. One year was outstanding. One year was not. So, yeah, if I had to choose between, like, Jim Schwartz is one of the great defense coordinators of my time, like my time covering the NFL. Vic Vanjo is one of the great defense coordinators of my time covering the NFL. So it would be imprudent for me to go with either one of them, they go with Jonathan Nguyen and over either one of them.

Okay. And just to close the book here, what more can you tell us about the franchise? I can tell you the franchise is coming out on September 24th. And we're going to discuss it, hopefully, a lot leading up to it. But how many Gannon chapters are there? There's not a Gannon chapter. Gannon's mentioned in the Siriani chapter. And the acknowledgments?

Not the acknowledges, but look, if that book, I'll say this. And I'll get into this as we get closer to the book. Like it was originally, the book deal I had was originally based on the Eagles winning the Super Bowl and writing a Super Bowl book. Had there been a Super Bowl book, there would have been extensive, extensive chapter. on Jonathan Gannon. A book on the 25-year history of the Eagles does not go as in-depth on a coordinator for two years in the franchise, right? So, but I'm just being honest there. But I did an interview about the book yesterday.

And it was, yeah, it was a fun interview. It got me thinking about, you know, some of the topics of the books and the, you know, the talking points for the book. I talked about you in the interview. Uh-oh. And yeah. In a very, where was the interview? I believe it was South Philly Review.

Um, and yeah, it was, it was, it was a fun, um, was this is like a radio interview or just, uh, this is like a story.

No, it's for a print. Yeah, it's for a print story. Nice. It's coming out. Um, I,

I will, I will share it when it comes out. I don't want to speak for the writer here. Uh, but, uh, I, I bring this up because,

uh, yeah, it's, it's like, You're going to be on full core press here pretty soon, right? Yeah. And so it's weird for me because I try not to like overplay my hand on certain things, right? And you also don't want to be like the movie trailer that gives away all the good scenes in the trailer.

And then someone watches the movie. Yeah, but it's a book. Yeah. Once they buy that book, you're good. Yeah. But you know, you don't want just people to buy it. You want people to read it, you know? So in any event

Don't focus on buying the book Focus on reading the book. Focus on reading the book, yeah. Although, please buy the book. So, no, I do need to kind of refine my talking points because what you realize to is, you know, when I'm, I'll have these like radio hits or TV hits and whatnot. And I love, I love doing that.

But you might get like one or two questions about the book and then they want to transition to the Eagles, the same way if we're having an author on. You knock out the book question. Then you do it the other stuff. So I need to make sure that like I had my elevator pitch ready. And that first question I'm firing and I know exactly what it is because you can't circle back to it. Once they get into what are you excited about for the season this year?

You can't be like, well, as was in the like third chapter of the book here, you've already moved on there. So I need to make sure that I hit on that. WD, K-O-5, that's an important question for the sick-os. He wants to buy the franchise. Where is the place he can buy it that you get the best cut? It's an important question. Yeah. If you buy it directly from me, I suppose.

But no, other way. You stand it on the corners? Look, if I'm going to have this website set up that if you reach out to me, I can send you a book directly. I'm working on that part of it. But no, I appreciate the sentiment. It's available wherever books get sold. there's a part of me that says, like, you know, support your local bookstore. I love going to a bookstore, that kind of thing.

But honestly, I'm grateful for you to buy a book wherever. If you buy it directly from, here's an answer that I should give. They'll be happy with. If you go to Triumph Publishing's website and you buy directly from Triumph Publishing, I think that's probably the best way for the publisher. But if you want to sign copy from me, I can send it directly to you. there will be an all-in price for the book, the shipping, and I will have that set up on a website,

hopefully in the next, by the start of the season for sure. Okay. MFHC, I guess, if called, I will serve to narrate the audio book. Narrate the audiobook. I'll tell you what, if the performance is as good as it was on around the NFL, then definitely, or I'm starting on the NFL daily, because you were awesome. Like, I can't emphasize that enough.

You were awesome on that. Can I give you one practice interview for your book rounds? Why don't we do the, we can, let's make this a weekly thing, like a practice 15-in-term interview. All right, Zach. So, you know, you did all this work looking into the last 25 years of the Eagles. What would you say Jeffrey Lurie thinks is the most pivotal decision that he's made over the past 25 years? Well, Bo, I need to tell you, the thing that I learned throughout the book is some of the decisions that they made in 1999 really set the foundation for decisions that they made in 2013 and 2017 and 2020, right? But I think the most pivotal decision, certainly Jeffrey Lurie would probably tell you this as well.

And I spoke to him extensively for this book. What's the hiring of Andy Reid in 1999? and in part because that was not a popular hiring at the time. And I know Jeffrey takes particular pride in his in identifying coaches and not following maybe what the consensus is or what the populace view is as he would frame it. And at the time, hiring a quarterback's coach who had not called plays, who had not been a coordinator,

was certainly not the popular way. to go. But it did set the foundation for the franchise, and it really, they had a partnership that I really get into in the book. There's a chapter on Andy Reid, but it's also worth noting. There's a chapter on Donovan McNabb in there, and you really get a sense, like, you see the conviction that Andy Reid had about Donovan McNabb and what that taught Jeffrey Lorry. There's a chapter of Joe Banner in there, and you see the way that they work together in terms of implementing a lot of the salary cap strategy that the Eagles still use today. There's a chapter on Hallie Roseman in there that you can really learn, like,

how some of those early years when Andy identified Howie and some of the things he worked with Howie on. And then the post-Andi era, Howie's worked there. So I would say the biggest part of it was the identification of Andy Reed. And for all our listeners, make sure that you are liking and subscribing the video and all that good stuff, become a diehard. Zach, what's, last question? What surprised you as you went through this process?

What did you learn that you didn't expect? When I learned that I did. So, wait, if I, should I give that nugget now or should I wait until we get closer to the book? That's what I'm saying. Let's, yeah, I'm going to hold the answer to that question for you and me talking as we get closer to the book here. But there's some. Wow, our fake listeners have been shafted. There are some good nuggets in this book that I didn't know before and that no one's known because it came with the preface, the preface of I've never told anyone this before.

I also need to make sure to mention this. And I see Shea said it in in the chat, and it's absolutely the truth. I am so honored that Malcolm Jenkins wrote the forward for this book. And it is awesome. So what I'm so grateful for is Malcolm's words. in Malcolm's perspective. And I talked to Malcolm for this book too, right? And so I'm really happy with the Malcolm chapter as well.

Because like I said, I think Malcolm's one of the great leaders and great players of this period. Who's the most underrated eagle of the past 25 years? Oh, the most underrated eagle of the past 25 years. That's a great question. Wow, that is a great question. I would say Trent Cole is probably the most. underrated eagle the last 25 years. And Trent Cole does not have a chapter in this book, unfortunately. But Trent Cole, in my opinion, the most underrated eagle of the best of the last

25 years. Well, the book is the franchise. Philadelphia Eagles, a curated history of the Eagles, available September 24th, wherever books are sold, and keep an eye out for Mr. Berman on the sidewalk, because that's the best mark that he's going to get. Thank you for that, Bo. We got one more here, right? We do. This is the only non-Eagles question. You've saved it for the end.

Love Zach Other. Love Zach Other. We've been really enjoying the Olympics at the Wolfhouse. Casey's been getting pretty into it. But I know the other day when we were talking about the Olympic SEC, there was something that you wanted to bring up, but then chose not to bring up. And I now have to follow up on it because what you were going to reference was the story that gets written every Olympic cycle, and it was written on the athletic today. I know you read it. What is the HZ opinion on all the condoms, all the sex that they're having in the Olympic Village?

Well, first off, there's no HZ opinion here. I, yeah, it's a story that I read every, every Olympic cycle. What's my opinion is, like, I I'm focused on the sports. I'm focused on representing the countries. Whatever anyone does in their free time is between them and a consenting adult. And it's, yeah, as long as it's, you know, two consenting adults and it's done, that's, that's, that's, that's their business. And I'll respect that. So I, I, I, I have no official.

You're curious about this bacchanal that they might be having. No, I'm not curious at all. That's that's their, yeah, that's, that's their business, right? I'm, I'm not focused on that. I, I am, it's not something that I, bunch of people in peak physical condition who have reached the mountaintop and they've, they've, they've gotten to the end. What else should they be doing?

Yeah, you seem to me think about it much more than I am, honestly. Don't play it down. You wanted to bring it up before. I literally did not want to bring it. Yeah, I, um, what did you think was the, was the funniest part of that article on the other. I actually have not read it yet. I have not ready yet.

Yeah, I got to read it. When did it come out? Today. Today, okay, yeah. No, I've been hyper-focused on Eagles. It was actually there was, it left me wanting. There was not a ton of new insight. But the line about Usain Bolt after winning a gold medal,

spending his night with three members of the Swedish women's handball team was fun. Oh, very nice. Okay, good for you saying and the Swedish handball team. ball team, right? Good for that. Yeah, no, the thing that always stuck out to me was the pure volume of because it always has like that number. And I think it really eliminates the amount of athletes that there are.

That's what it is. That's what's so interesting. Yes, just the volume of the athletes. Yeah. Very funny that they had to define dental dam in the, in the lead to that story. But I thought that was kind of funny. I would defer to you and all this stuff. There is you are not, you know, I.

One thing that I've learned doing this show, it's part of that. I don't even want to call it a manifesto. It's just an objective. It's objectives that I have is that I control what comes out of my mouth. Okay? And that I, that, that you can, you can lead me to the river, but I don't need to drink it. Okay. So, so it's as it's, I love doing a show with you.

We're going into year six doing a show together. And I'll say that it's taken me five years to learn this. But, you know, I always tell media relations people when I speak to them that you can't control the questions, but you can't control the answers, right? The athletes that is, right? So you can't blame the reporter for the answer. It's the athlete giving the answer, right? So you can lead me to the water, but I don't have to drink it. And so I am not going to engage in that.

If you could set up a consummation between athletes from two different sports, what would you choose? It's not something I put much thought into, and I don't have an informed opinion on it. Just as long as they're two consenting adults that let them have the fun that they'll have. All right. Year six, we promise more sex talk on the show this year. No, no, I want to promise. A big money bag, super chat. So we've got to give Daniel his money's worth here on defense.

Who do you think will be the starters and most used rotational pieces and formation we use most often? I love this. That's a great question. On defense, who do you think will be the starters? His second question is, which athletes do you think are best at sex? No, so I would imagine a 515 front is what we see the most. Really? Yeah, look, because you're having.

I think one linebacker on the field is what we will see the most often? Oh, actually, good question. So, all right, so then a 4-25, right, with two guys standing. I don't know, because I tend to think that, yeah, good question. I don't know. What's your answer here? Because you, if you were having your best players on the field and you feel that you can get, you know, good bracket coverage in the back, right, prevent the deep ball, you, yeah, like, yeah, I'm still going 515 here, but I could be wrong.

We haven't seen as much 515 in practice, though. No, we haven't seen, we haven't seen that a lot. Yeah, so then based on that, probably, actually in practice, what we're seeing more of than I expected is, is like three linebackers on the field. Yeah, but that I do not think we will see that often. I mean, I think I think the numbers would probably bear. out that nickel is what they will be in most often, even if their base downs are 5-2 or 5-15. But I think the most often we will see is Sweat and Huff, Jalen Carter and Milton Williams, not Jordan Davis,

Devin White and Zach Bonn, I guess, right now, which is not ideal. And then right now, I guess over the course of this season is different than week one. over the course of the season, I would guess that what we will see most often is Gardner Johnson, Blankenship, Slay, Ringo, Quinion Mitchell, I guess. Not DeGine, but I don't know. Yeah.

Could be Quinnie Mitchell Dijin. Could be Rogers and Quinny Mitchell? I don't know. She's not D. Yeah, I don't think it's going to be D. None. Yeah.

Fun show today. I enjoyed this one. Try to give you a little something. Yeah, enjoy this. This was good. Good combination. Football talk and some fun talk otherwise. Just what? Not all. Yeah. Okay. That'll do it for this episode of the P.H.I. Eagles podcast. Thanks to everybody for joining all week. We will be back next week. Once again, two o'clock every day. Eagles practicing Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. We'll have your practice reports on all pHLY.com. Go be a diehard. Like the video. All that good stuff. Thank you to Tyler for stepping in on the back end today. of us here at p hly we thank you for watching have a wonderful weekend talk to you on monday and as always

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