PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | Rookie Trevor Keegan, Brian Baldinger peer into the future of the Philadelphia Eagles’ O-line

Episode Date: May 8, 2024

The passing of the guard, er, center along the Philadelphia Eagles’ offensive line means its most important position group faces some questions heading into the 2024 season. Howie Roseman drafted Michigan’s Trevor Keegan in the fifth round to help fortify the future of the unit with a player who immediately enters with championship pedigree. Fresh off rookie camp, Keegan joins the show to discuss his goals for the future. Then, Brian Baldinger joins the show to discuss his thoughts on the Eagles’ draft class, how he feels about Tyler Steen at right guard and more. Join Bo Wulf and Jamie Lynch for an action-packed episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Y. Hegel's podcast, a Wednesday high noon and the great Zach Berman is not with us today. Got the day off. We miss Zach, but the good news about that is we can finally focus on football. We are going to get real football heavy on this episode. Bo Wolf and Jamie Lynch stepping in for Zach. Two football guys. We're going to hear from Trevor Keegan coming up, the fifth round rookie from Michigan, and then Brian Baldinger at the end of the show. Finally, a football episode, Jamie, how you doing? Yeah, you know, Zach, he's just always so unsurious about football.

Oh, I want to talk about non-football stuff. Let's talk about pop culture and Travis and Taylor. Enough, Zach. Yeah, so let's get down to it. Let's talk some football. We're going to talk, ball. I'm excited to talk to Trevor Keegan, the fifth round rookie, a captain of the national championship team. Looking forward to getting his thoughts on rookie camp, you know, his impressions of Jeff Stoutland for the first time, all that good stuff.

and then, I mean, what's better than just talking ball with Baldi? Oh, Baldy from my old Anthony days with Baldy. You know, he's always great to talk ball with. Excited to talk to Trevor because, you know, great resume in college, and he's coming into an offensive line factory. And it seems like Jason Kelsey doesn't leave the building. Seems like he's there every day still. Sure.

So he's going to have like a soon-to-be Hall of Famer to lean on for guidance. He has Stoutland University to enter. And then he's got Lane Johnson and Jordan Maya. and some great guys to learn from. So it's kind of like a ideal situation for an offensive rookie lineman to come into. You would think so. And certainly an opportunity to earn some playing time. Yeah.

So we can talk a little bit about that. But in terms of the draft class as a whole, Jamie, you said to me, this was very rare for you because it was like for the first time that you got the kind of draft that you wanted. Yeah. I kind of bent you and Zach Searoff during the off season that I was cornerback, cornerback, cornerback. I wanted one of those top four guys. I didn't really have a preference. So all those letters you wrote to Howie,

they finally got read. Dear Howie, I think we could be friends. If you just take a cornerback this year, I think you needed to replenish you know, that's secondary with youth. This is, you know, I just heard, what's his name? Pat Bev the other day say about the NBA. This is

a young man's game now. And I was kind of thinking like with the way officiating favors the offense. Me and have had this conversation before, the defense is a luxury, but, you know, these wide receivers are better and more freakish than they've ever been. You know, you can't be a sieve back there. You have to supplement that secondary.

And they went out and not only got what I wanted, but they doubled down on what I got, what I wanted. And I'm not used to that ever happening. Yeah, I mean, it's interesting. Like that position specifically, cornerback on the outside, there are not a lot of guys play into their 30s. Obviously, Darius Slay has done it, but you're still, like, biding time and wondering if the, the edge is going to come.

I don't expect James Bradbury to be on the team this year. I wouldn't think so. And so you obviously needed some help there. Now, I don't necessarily know that the Eagles went into that draft thinking we have to go back to back. No, probably not. That would be crazy. Like, I think that there are worse scenarios where they would have been very happy to take

an offensive lineman and then maybe take a corner on day two. but certainly the board fell in their favor and Howie has talked about it, and I believe this, that like they never envisioned a scenario in which Quignan Mitchell was just sitting there at 22 that they didn't have to move up for him, but certainly they deserve credit for that. And by being patient, they were then able to move up and get Cooper to Jean. Yeah, I just saw in Rich's morning newsletter that he shared a snippet from the Eagles about Cooper showing up to the facility and Big Dom saying to him,

I told you he'd be back. It's in Zach's story on all Phyll. So, like, clearly he was. was a guy that was very high on their list, and they're sitting there day two going, you know, and the footage the Eagles released behind the scenes is just tremendous stuff. They went and got their guy, and they doubled down on a position I thought they needed. So this is like foreign to me. So it kind of got me thinking like, wait a second, Bo. They went out and invested heavily in a running back this year. And then they went out and doubled down on a position that I wanted to attack

in the draft. This is like bizarre a world. So I was, like, I was kind of thinking like, you know, the NFL is full of trends, and it goes up and down and in and out, and you always want to copycat League. Copycat League, all that stuff, and you always want to be ahead of the curve. Are the Eagles predicting a new curve here? That's interesting. I think the running back thing, there was a bit of zagging while the rest of the league zig. They think that maybe the difference between Sequin and the D'Andre Swift level of the market

is significant enough that it's worth paying at the top of the market and the things that they want to do in the offense. I think they like adding a guy who they think can be a special player. I don't think that they're doubling down on corner is necessarily trying to get ahead of a trend, nor is it that much of a departure from the way that they have valued that position in the past. I think we talked about this for the past several months, the fact that they had not drafted a corner in the first round

was probably a little bit more circumstantial than it was at other positions. There were times when they wanted to do that, and they've also paid highly for that position so that we know that they care about that position. It's not a position that they don't care about. It's not like they drafted a lineback on the first round. Sure.

But, you know, they got torched last year, and two years ago they had an exceptional secondary with Bradbury and Slay and everybody. And last year, you know, they kind of got exposed. So I think one of the good things about, you know, Howie in this front office and ownership group is that, you know, they admit their mistakes and they go, you know, fix them rather quickly. So I, you know, I was like, wow, they must have really thought that the secondary play last year was the main reason for this on top of the coordinators by, you know, judging by their moves that they made. So it's interesting to see because they have a lot of talent there.

And then you throw Isaiah Rogers in the mix. You have Slay for at least another year. Bradbury will be gone. and then you bring back Avanti and you bring in CJGJ and it's like they've really ramped up. Maybe they're making up for it, a lack of edge rush with secondary play. Maybe that could be another way to look at it

because that might be their true Achilles heel right now is edge pressure. You know, Joshua has to step up. Nolan Smith, we don't really know. I don't feel confident saying it. Brandon Graham's here for culture and leadership and tutelage and all that. that and then you know it's like there are a lot of questions there we talked Zach and I talked

sure yesterday it's like is Bryce Huff good enough to be a 1A sure he hasn't done that yet is Josh sweat going to be more like he was at the beginning of last year or more like he was at the end of last year when he was completely silent is Nolan Smith going to be anything is it going to be a real contributor on the edge there you know can brand and graham give you anything jelix hunt it's probably too soon to expect much from from him as a rookie so I think you're probably right that if you're not expecting quite as much, you need a better secondary. I also think that Jalen Carter is a big part of that mix.

Sure. If they think that he's going to be dominant, then the edge doesn't have to be, so much doesn't have to be on their shoulders. Yeah, I mean, you know, the edge rushers and secondary are usually a marriage, and one helps out the other, and you never, you know, know,

know which one you're going to get, but I would judge by the Eagles moves here, that they're thinking, all right, our secondary probably needs to cover for that extra half second. a little bit better if we can't count on Josh Schwett being an 11 or 12-sac guy. You know, Bryce Huff played, what, 48% of the snaps or something like that for the Jets? Can he step up in this role?

And then Nolan Smith, they're clearly, I think, banking on taking that next big step next year. I mean, right? Judging by their actions, that's a pretty big role on this team because Brandon Graham is what he is at this point. You know what I mean? And you need that third guy if Huff only ends up playing 60% of the snaps. or 55% whatever it may be, and Josh Sweat, you know, 75, 80, whatever it is,

you're going to need that third guy. And it looks like they're counting on Nolan Smith for a lot. I mean, at some point you do have to find out. Sure. Right? So it makes sense that he has to be playing a penciled into a significant role. And then you've got to see how he does and go from there at some point. Yeah, but it's certainly interesting.

I mean, I was pretty ecstatic with the draft overall. You're more excited about Quinnian-Mitchell or Cooper-Dijin? I think Cooper DeGine just because of the value. Like Kenyon Mitchell, you know, one or two, depending on who you're reading. Dane Bruegler, I think Adam 14th overall in the draft. That's kind of like a lock good pick. Dijin is almost more intriguing because you got him in the second round. So the value increases on another guy that was a top 20 or 25 talent in this draft depending on who you read.

So I think I'm oddly a little. I'm counting more on Mitchell as a sure thing. Dejean I'm more intrigued by because of the value. I also think there's more mystery about how they're going to use DeGine. Sure. It makes it a little bit more intriguing. Like Quine and Mitchell probably is going to line up opposite Darius Slay from week one. That might not definitely be the case.

You know, Zach was saying yesterday he thinks Keely Ringo might push for that job early in the season. It's theoretically possible that James Bradbury is still around. But my expectation is Quinnian and Mitchell is starting on the outside. from week one. That would be my guess. Cooper DeGine, you know, I don't know. Is he going to just be the nickel? Is he going to be sort of a specialty package player early on for Vic Fangio and he's using him in different ways? Like, I tuned into your guy's draft show right after the Dijin pick from home. You know, the girls were all running around me. I'm at the kitchen counter. One of those 18 hours. Yeah. I was like, no, I'm locking in. I was commenting.

I took Zach's side on one thing. The conversation about the positionless player. I thought it was an interesting conversation you guys had. I don't remember. Yeah, Rich wasn't at the time because Zach leaned on Rich because he made an NBA analogy. Oh, yeah, he's talking about Spolstra. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I had the same thought as Zach

that Dijin, hypothetically... Yeah, it's always hypothetical. Sure. This positionless nonsense is always hypothetical. Isn't there a world... It's never actual. Where he's part safety, part linebacker, part slot? Well, sure.

But if he's as letically freaky as everybody says. And then, you know, I saw his high school basketball. But he's still playing a position. Sure. Like, you know, he can do different things from that position. But the idea of like a total football in the NFL where there's like 11 guys or it's the secondary and there's seven guys who can all be anywhere at once. That's just not practical. And, you know, like Vic Fangio, for instance, has been coaching his defense for at least 20 years.

Sure. Right? He's not reinventing his defense because Cooper DeGine can play multiple positions. Now he has, like, you know, there's, it's like, it's a little bit like the way that, you know, Jalen Ramsey was used in the Rams defense for a little bit. Like, you know, you can line him up in different places and do different things with him. But it's still like, he's still, he's still taking up a specific spot on the field. Now, if you have Cooper DeGine and C.J. Garner Johnson, you know, both creeping towards the line and you don't. know which one's coming, that's, yeah, that's cool. And that's going to be part of the defense, I'm sure.

But I just think the idea that you're going to reinvent the way the defense is played or the way that offense is played because Kyle Pitts is really good hands for a tight end. It's not reinventing. It's like Isaiah Simmons. Like if he doesn't have a position, maybe he doesn't have a position. True. And I think his position is cornerback. I just wonder if they, you know, with more and more 12 personnel than we've ever seen in a league

and tight ends being a bigger part of offensive game plan and strategy. I wonder if there is like an amoeba-like feeling to Cooper DeGine. I wonder if that really made them go like, like they were going to get them regardless if they had them high. But I wonder if they're envisioning like this just kind of amoeba player that can be all over. But I do think it's fair to say given how like over the moon the Eagles were about him and you know how we and Jeffrey both talking about like, you know, we couldn't sleep last night Sure.

We wanted to make sure we went to get you. That part of the reason for that is because Vic Fangio has a specific plan for him in mind. Yeah, I'm excited to talk to Baldy. I'm sure you guys have talked to Baldi at length, but, you know, he said prior to the draft, you know, this is a kid Vic Fangio would want in his system. So it's really exciting. So to answer your question in a long-winded way, I think I'm oddly excited more for him. Okay.

Just because it's a second round pick, it's great value. And I think there's, Kenyon's going to lock down. a side. Like, that's going to be fine. I know what that is. I don't know what Cooper DeGine is going to be. It's a black box at the moment. Yeah, it's kind of exciting. Well, you might be more excited for the second round pick. I'm most excited for one of the fifth round of race. Oh, yeah. Jamie, and that's our friend. Bring him on. Trevor Keegan, the Michigan man, the captain of the national championship team. Trevor,

how you doing? I'm doing good. How are you? We're doing very well. Thank you for joining us. How was rookie camp? How was your first time putting on the jersey and being out there as an eagle? It was awesome. It was just a breath of fresh air walking in the building. Everybody's so nice and welcoming. You could tell they have a really good culture, and I feel like I fit that. And, yeah, it was really fun. Just seeing the guys up there working.

Everybody was working their tail off, you know, trying to be better and try to take as much information as we could and take it in and run with it. How did that compare to when you first got to Michigan from high school? I think I was a little bit more nervous this time, just because, man, I'm in the Philadelphia, I'm playing for the Philadelphia Eagles. So just, you know, that little pressure there was cool to have. But, you know, it's cool because I came to college. I didn't even know what a single block was.

So it's a little bit easier for me now to learn a playbook. So it was awesome. And, you know, I'm just excited to get back out there on Sunday. Yeah, Trevor, I'm curious, like, once you walk in the doors there at the NovaCare complex, How long does it take for a guy like Jeff Stoutland to get his big bear paws on you and bring in and start talking X's and O's? Pretty quick. You know, I was doing a bunch of stuff like medical and, you know, me with the equipment guys, just trying to get, you know, all comfortable and sat in at the facility. And I was eating lunch and Coach Donald came and sat next to you started talking about already.

So, you know, from the moment you walk in, it's a business. And I'm super excited to, you know, work with Coach Stout and DJ and as well as the rest of guys. on the room. Now we know that you were someone who was like very much on the Eagles radar, not just obviously because they drafted you but you know they released the footage. You were one of their Red Star players meaning you're like one of the guys who's up on the board

as someone who they think like is a Philadelphia Eagle in everything that they do. So Stoutland obviously has like a very good beat on you when he sits down and talks to you. What are like is he already on to you about like these are the things that we need to work on? These are the things that we're going to get better at. What are those conversations

like? Yeah. a bunch of things. You know, I was asking, hey, what are things I could work on? You know, in combo blocks and mate blocks, a lot of times, you know, in Michigan, I was a little too thick. I would take over the whole block. So just, you know, be able to give the other guy I'm combo with and more of a service area to hit. Interesting. Just little things that I could get better at that I had no idea. He's a wealth of knowledge and he's already talking so much. And I'm just excited to continue to learn, you know, watch as much film as possible in this week off that I have. What about the playbook?

You know, you talked about getting in the playbook. How overwhelming is that when you first get your first playbook as a professional? I don't know if it was overwhelming. I was just excited. You know, we're going through installs and stuff trying to keep up with the older guys in the room and the guys who are in OTAs right now. But it's all the same place as I ran in Michigan. Just, you know, completely different terminology.

You know, if it's a two-ey-shell or if they're rolling down, you know, 99 or 33. There's a different call for every single thing. Each technique of the linebackers in a 30 or 40, if there's a tight three or, you know, there's just so many different calls for everything, just learning the different terminologies. Definitely the little bump in the road, but it's definitely, you know, pretty easy to get a grasp on it and, you know, understand it. But to perfect it, you're going to take a lot of reps at it. So I'm excited to do that. Yeah, I was going to ask you, Jim Harbaugh, obviously, you know, a pro style of offense that you're familiar with from Michigan. He's entering the league with you.

Playing for Harbaugh at Michigan had to be quite an experience. Is there a funniest story about Jim that you can share with us? Did you guys have any milk chug-offs or pleaded khaki contests? Like, what can you share with us from your time with Jim? Man, Coach Arroy, he's just his own person, man. He, you know, for some reason there's a lot of hate on him in the media and people don't respect them. But, you know, he always says if, you know, 20 people say something bad about me,

but one person says something good about me, that's a good day. I don't know, just as toughness, it just, it rubs off on you. And, you know, everything you hear about Coach Harbaugh on his playing days was, how tough he was. And, you know, if he was running out of bounds, he would try to, you know, get a little hit on him and get a flag or something.

But, you know, I love him to death. And it took me a while to, you know, understand him. It took it, you know, for everybody. And it just grew our culture. There was a genuine love that the players had for him. And, you know, my first couple years being there, he wasn't as well as good as showing that to the players. And people didn't understand it.

But when you get older, you realize, man, he really does care for us. And it's a pretty cool thing. And, you know, it wasn't just the program changed, everybody changed. You know, me as a person, Coach Harbaugh as a person, everybody just changed. And that's what, you know, help the culture, you know, get to where it was. There's so many funny stories. I can't even like a team meeting after a bit. big win. I think that's

his favorite time of the week just because he just lets it rip in there. And everybody's just in there laughing. Like he'll make a joke and then for some reason nobody would laugh. He'd be like, I thought it was funny. And then like we all would all start laughing.

And then he'll say something that like he didn't think was funny and we would all be laughing at it. So, man, there are so many stories. I'm just drawing a blank right now. Well, you talk about the program changing and I know that part of your story is early in your career there, considering transferring and deciding to stay and push through, how much do you look back on that as like sort of a defining moment of what got you to where you are now?

No doubt. You know, I always told Scout this in my interview process. It was, you know, it was a punch in the face because, I mean, my whole life, I was the best player on any team that I played on, whether it was baseball, football, or basketball. And for the first time my life, I wasn't the best. And, you know, that humbled me pretty quickly. You know, I think COVID was the best thing for us. You know, we came into it very confident.

It was just a punch right in the face. But we were working. We worked every day when they canceled the season. We were the only team still Bradrickson. So I think just leaders stepped up and, you know, our philosophy changed. And we took it around with it. And, you know, guys like Aidan Hutchinson, Andrew Vistart, is Josh Ross. They give us a blueprint on, you know, what a leader is and how to lead a team

and what a team should look like. So it was just up to us to take it and run with it. Trevor, so outside of developing great offensive linemen here in Philadelphia, the offensive line is known in particular for one famous play these days in the NFL, and that is the tush push, the brotherly shove, whatever you'd like to call it, how much are you looking forward to running that play? I'm super excited. We had something very similar to that at Michigan.

It was just a wedge play on our short yards play. We were pretty successful at that. so hopefully I kind of have a little grip on it. But I'm just excited for it. If you're able to trust your all line and forward out territory, if you're on the 50-year-law or you're just on the plus side of the field and have faith in the line and faith in the running bet, he's going to hit the hole.

And then the quarterback, he's going to wiggle his way through. It just shows your conference of the team and confidence in your players to do their job and get done. And I'm just really excited. I'm excited to do it the first time in practice or in a preseason game. Yeah, I don't know how much. how much you're going to be doing it full speed in practice, but we'll hopefully get to it in a game. I know you've talked about, you were asked about this the other day, Trevor, the ambidexterity that

you have because, you know, the book on you is you played pretty much just left guard in college, not that you can't do it, but the question is that, you know, if you are in the NFL, you've got to be able to play both sides. How deep does that ambidexterity go? Like, what are we talking? Like, I guess you to have basketball both ways. I write both ways. I haven't tried to swing a golf club,

but I can throw both ways, sort of. Okay. I just like, whenever I was growing up, I just always try to do things both ways. And, you know, like you said, I haven't played a lot of right guard, but, you know, this whole process, you know, I've done right guard,

I've done center, just train, and try to show my versatility for these coaches. So, you know, it's just like wiping your butt a different way. You just got to get used to it. That's what Stalind says. That's what he's used to, used for Milana, so that's good.

You've already caught on. What about just sort of meeting your teammates? What was that like over the past weekend, getting to know these other rookies? Yeah, it's cool. You know, they're all serious and they're ready to work. You know, as me and them, they're excited. We're on this journey together.

It's almost like we're freshmen coming in, trying to help a program again. We know that. We're going to try to get everything possible to help out the team and, you know, earn our role and earn the respect to the guys in the room, as well as the coaches. So Trevor, and doing my research on you,

I found that you're pursuing a master's degree in social work, which is great. And you were an undergraduate communications major in media. So I did want to extend an olive branch to you here on behalf of PHLY, that if you find yourself with some downtime this summer and you've already mastered the playbook and all that, if you'd like to intern with us here at PHLY Eagles podcast, consider the invitation extended.

All right, I appreciate it. Yeah, it's going to be hard work. Doing something in sports broadcasting, so. Yeah, we can give you your start, hopefully. So consider it. Yeah, let's project out like 18 years down the line. You've achieved your Hall of Fame career. You're ready to hang it up.

What's the goal after that? I think if I didn't have football, I'd probably go crazy. So I'd have to be a coach. I don't know. I'm definitely not pursuing social work. a non-degree seeking thing. Okay. All right, all right.

But, yeah, definitely something with sports broadcasts here being a coach. That's kind of what I envision. Love it. Last thing for me, Trevor, is, you know, I don't think that we often enough think about, like, you are a young man in your 20s, like, relocating to a new place for a new job. What are, like, the logistics of the last week and the next couple weeks for you? Yeah, I have no. idea. You know, the whole process, I was like, man, I don't know where I'm going to live

in the next four years. I still don't. It's kind of bizarre. It is kind of bizarre, but I'm excited for it. You know, ever since I got drafted, I've just been doing research on, you know, the city of Philadelphia and trying to find spots to live in. I do think we have an open office here if you want to just, you're going to shack up here. How much is the rent? We'll keep it low for you. Yeah, yeah. I'll do the internship for a month. There you.

And we will pay you in Miller Light and Ollie Pop. Yeah. I'm in. I'm in. All right. So Trevor, this is my last one for you. We all saw you chug the beer at the championship parade. You know, we'd love to see you chugging a beer on Broad Street one day.

How many people have told you during this process and winding up in Philadelphia that you are a Philadelphia guy? Is that what you hear just nonstop? Yeah, everybody keeps telling me that. The funny thing is, that was my only beer of the day. everybody thought I was hammered but I flew from Florida and I flew I was flying down to Florida the day after that so like

somebody just threw me a beer and I was like all right I might as well I mean it was like 20 degrees you had your shirt off you had to warm up somehow oh yeah it was cold it was it was cold I had to put the shirt out after because then the dang frat dudes were throwing a natural license got hit in the head and cracked my head

open did you I did so but you keep it's like you gotta keep your head on a stove you don't know where the blitz is coming from. Like, well, I was trying to catch one.

Turn around and I got doinked and they sent a stunt. Yeah. Like, did that just happen? It was pretty cool. And then what is the story with the Deshawn Jackson jersey?

And like, did you have, did you have 32 jerseys ready to go? No. I was just a big kid who loved, like, jerseys growing up. Like,

if there was a guy who was bawling out of the league, like, like, damn, I don't have anything green because we weren't allowed to wear green or red in our facility. Oh. Wait, I might have this in the archives right here, so I went all the way in the back of my closet and I pulled it out. That's fantastic.

Well, Trevor, thank you so much for taking the time. We look forward to getting to know you better, and hopefully this was a good introduction to the Eagles fans. Absolutely no doubt. Thank you for having me. Thank you, Joe. Thanks so much. Great stuff. I think you can agree that the future is bright for Trevor Keegan, Jamie. Just like the future can be bright for you.

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he's a week one starter it's not insane no that's a great spot for him to land if you were if you were spreading turkeys it's it's uh probably like 70 on Tyler Steen yeah maybe 15 on Matt Hennessy

10 on Mackay Beckett and five on Trevor Kagan, something like that. Okay. It's a spot. Yeah. For week one, I'm saying. Yeah, sure. And it's also like he can play his way into it if he's

Yeah, and it looks great right away. Great question by you with the ambit dexterity. That's a tricky one. It's a mouthful. He can throw a left-handed. I'm in. I mean, if you should have asked him what position he played in baseball or like, was he switched in?

Yeah. But the fact that he can throw a football and shoot a basketball with the opposite hand leads very well to him being a swing guard. Yeah. And, you know, he, he, he, he, as he said, he played it a little bit in the pre-draft process, like down at the Senior Bowl. I'm sure it's the kind of thing that takes a little bit of time. But sure.

I wouldn't put it past him. He's got one of the best teachers in the game here. You know, Jason Kelsey's not going anywhere. That's going to, I feel like, going to be like an extra coach. Yeah, he's going to be right down the hall in our office. Fantastic. We can give him a free. Poor Stark is going to get moved out again.

Poor Stark, yeah. But yeah, he seems like a great kid. Good natural light in that office, though. So it'll wake Trevor up in time. Nice two windows, get a good breeze in there. We got plenty of TVs. We got arcades, Xboxes. I mean, it's basically a brohouse over here.

Yeah. So he's right at home. There's, you know, ice cold, Miller Light in the fridge. Delicious orange squeeze olypops. We got it all, man. Vince's got a cup of soups. We could put them on the Union show. Yeah.

Yeah. Absolutely. And we played baseball. I could talk some fills with you. Yeah. Let's get them out there throwing a first pitch. I'd like to see this lefty right. Yeah, maybe chuck them both at the same time.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, like that. Yeah. Get, you know, Fanatic and Mrs. Fanatic out there to catch him. You know, John Brazier, there's a free first bitch for you. There you go. All right. Super Chat from MBDBDBDBDBF.

First time, long time, since everybody is not true. Oh, maybe the first time with a super chat. That's not true either, I don't think. Yeah, anyway. Since everybody is running cover three and these offenses are all underneath, why does Howie continue to devalue linebacker and safety? Because he's got Cooper DeGine, obviously. Yeah, I don't disagree with the, and I also, I think there's a difference between safety and corner.

You're also talking about, like, what the market is saying. Like, at safety, I think safety is an important position, but there were a lot of really good safeties on the market this year, and teams didn't pay them a lot. So you're not just, like, stack ranking the order of importance on your defense. you're figuring out where the efficiencies are in the market. At linebacker, I think part of the problem is there are only so many actual difference-making linebackers in the league. And so, like, yeah, it'd be great to have Fred Warner and pay him a lot of money. But the seventh best linebacker in the league is not that different than the 25th best linebacker in the league.

And those guys can often be found late in the draft now. The Eagles have taken a lot of shots and some of them have not worked. Last year, they released the best player in their team. the middle of the season, but I think it's, I think generally speaking, the way that they approach linebacker is probably the right way to do it. Probably, yes, especially if you have some guys that can cover, because I think they were, they were getting gashed across the middle and with the other team's tight ends a little bit there. So as long as you got some guys that can supplement coverage that's, I think that's totally fine, you know, but I think the drop off from like,

what would you say T.J. Edwards was, like, probably a top 25 guys final year year. For sure. A top 20 guy. Yeah, I think so. I think they kind of planned on somebody at least getting close to that 25 mark. And then they realized like, oh, wait, we probably don't have somebody that's like close to that 40 mark. Right. So I think.

But they've also just missed on evaluations. Sure. You know, they drafted Dave John Taylor in the third round and he didn't. Which I was high on at one point. When he came in, what was it, three years ago and he had two forced fumbles and like his two games stand, I was like, oh, man, this kid's showing me something. That's right. I think the country city fumble that Darrya St.

return for a question. I think that was... He showed a glimpse and then it didn't happen, but that was one of those raw athletes with not a lot of football, you know, background to him. He was a track star. It just, I understand why they took that shot because some of the, you know, athletic, you know, grading on that kid was phenomenal,

but you also have to know... And I heard you and Zach talking about this before. Like, Zach's point was, Jeremiah Trotter knows where to be. He might not be the fleetest of foot, but he knows the spot he's supposed to be in where it's like somebody like David John Taylor is going to blow him away athletically. And at that position, that's what I would rather have.

I'd rather have the instinct because that half second of deciding where to go or where to be is probably the difference in the NFL. How pumped are you for Trotter? I think it's an awesome, awesome story. I am excited. You're trying to keep expectations in line? Yes, yes. There's a reason I think he fell to the fifth round. I think it's a no-brainer pick in the fifth round.

I mean, what do you got to lose? it's a position like Trevor Kagan yeah yeah um I'm trying to keep my expectations healthy uh I've nickn't I've heard the nickname the hatchet I didn't come up with it a friend did so I like that I like seeing a trotter jersey again and Eagles green okay but I'm trying to keep in 54 that is very cool um trying to keep my expectations in check here okay which I think is it's like 30 years down the line when when the new host of the PHLI Philly's Pond is one of your daughters. Yeah.

Yeah, exactly. It's cool, though. It's also... All right, so I had this thought. It's the negative side of this. Because of the PR publicity angle of the pick, what if he gets to camp and can't play? They're not going to cut him.

Oh, they're so shallow at linebacker that they need him on special teams anyway. But he's a lot to make the team as a fifth rounder. Well, yeah, but I think that's a lot. part of the part of like they're just so thin at linebacker yeah but regardless like even if they weren't that thin and he was a fringe bubble player he's going to make the team probably but but you can't but you could say the same like Trevor Kagan's probably gonna make the team probably probably but it's outling you you know it's just like there is that PR like it's not all rainbows and ice cream you know like if the kid can't play they're not going to cut

him. I also think like they, and I think he can't play it all played out well. Like they didn't, they didn't draft him in the third round, you know, uh, they, like the league sort of spoke to what his value was. Then they went up to get him. Uh, they are not putting those kinds of expectations on him. But I also, I do believe that there's a real chance that he ends up being, you know, a starting player for them by the, by the, by the second half of the season. Really? I mean, you, you want the kid with between the ears, uh, look, I follow Jeremiah on Instagram and I've seen this kid working out like a NFL player since he was in like seventh, eighth grade.

Like this kid has a work ethic and he's got the smarts. All of it. He's like perfect. We'll see. But I'm trying to keep my expectations in check as all. Now there was one thing that Trevor Kagan said that I wrote down just to bookmark because I know that like he was a red star player for the Eagles. This is a guy who fit everything that they were looking for.

But he said something that I think is the first time I've heard him say something that the Eagles may not agree with. And I think that Zach. I'm afraid it's too bad he's not here to catch this, but Trevor said, COVID was the best thing for us. And the Eagles have blamed their 2020 season on COVID. So you think he's got to drop that long?

They're going to have to come to an agreement on that, whether they think COVID was good or bad. COVID brought us Tyrese Maxie. So that was good. There you go. As a city. Yeah, yeah. I think they should probably sit down and have that COVID discussion

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What am I going to, what's the actual meal that? I'm going to make. What's Zach's favorite cut of beef? Have you asked him? Do you know, how deep does your beef knowledge with Zach O' here? He just says that he likes steak. He just likes all steak. Yeah, he likes steak.

Okay. He likes steak on the grill, and Emily won't let him use Montreal seasoning. That is great. That's what he said, right? So what does he do? Just salt and pepper? Basically. Okay.

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It's beach season, Beau. We've got to tighten it up, you know, 96 calorie beers of the way. Listen, 10 Miller Lights a day, we'll get you ready for the beach. Sure will. Yeah. Waiting to hear from Baldi in a few minutes. Oh, Baldy. So welcome forward to that. What else is on your mind, Eagles-wise?

Really excited for this upcoming season. You know, last season ended in a less than spectacular fashion. I'm really excited. The fact that A.J. Brown and Devante Smith are locked up. The fact that this offense has more weapons than I can ever recall having on one offense. in my life is really spectacular. I'm curious about the Kelsey replacement plan, but I think in the Eagles I trust,

we'll talk to Baldy about it, but there's no reason not to trust that they'll get this right. Offensively, they're loaded. Defensively, I think they addressed the Achilles heel of the team last year, which was coverage. You know, a little hesitant about how the edge rushers are going to do,

but again, Bryce Huff and Nolan Smith, time to step up here. You've got a great opportunity. So overall, just, you know, it's already, It's May, but the excitement for next year is definitely there. That was a very professional filibustering. Nice job getting us from there to hear wherein now we get to talk. Do you like the way I threw the little tease in there as well?

I've done this before. Baldi, how we doing? Ronald Bo, what's going on, guys? What's up, Baldi? We're doing good. We just had a chance to talk to Trevor Keegan, the fifth round rookie from Michigan. You know, great insight from him. I wonder if you have any thoughts on your.

him after having a chance to watch him? Well, I mean, when Trevor came to Michigan, it was kind of old school. I mean, Harbaal just redshirted the class. I mean, he's one of those kids that just came in 18 years old out of, you know, school in Illinois. I mean, he sits there and, you know, you go in the wait room and get your classes done and you redshirt, you know, and you go up against a pretty good team, you know, and so, like he came the old way, five years. They had the pandemic year, but they played some games.

but you know, he was a three-year starter there on maybe the best offense line of football. It's so many guys drafted. I had a Michigan over the last three years, really well coached. He's got a big frame. At one point in his college career, he weighed 345, 350. Like he went and lost 30 pounds for better movement and explosion and all the kind of stuff. So he's kind of done it the old school way. Like I think he got drafted.

I thought he'd get drafted somewhere in the fourth or fifth round. but those kind of guys that are played a lot of college football in a run-based scheme where the run-blocking is good. He's got good natural power. Like those kind of guys end up becoming starters in the NFL. And that's what I expect Trevor to become. So, Baldy, one of the things we learned in the interview, thanks to Bo's question, was how ambidextrous Trevor actually is. He says he can throw a football right and left. He can shoot a basketball right and left.

Can you talk about how much of a head start that is? is for somebody that could, you know, be fighting for a swing guard position in the NFL? Well, I think, you know, look, there's a lot of guys who can become swing guard, swing tackle, play multiple positions and not be ambidextrous. Sure. But there's a natural help there, isn't there? It's more of the field when you're challenging people to left-handed, you know, ball tosses and stuff like that.

But regardless, like I expect him to be able to flip sides. If he becomes the swing interior offensive linemen this year where, you know, you know, know, some days in the NFL now you're dressing seven guys. If he becomes that guy, I expect to him to be able to get in the right-hand stance or left-hand stance. It's just something that you have to learn how to do. And so now it's a good time in here. You're out there on the field. You can work on some of this stuff. He was the left guard at Michigan. But I expect him to be able to do both and learn another position. He's got the length. I'm not sure he can play tackle. He's got good size, but his arms aren't real long. He looks like a guy that should play inside.

you know, guard or center. And I kind of expect that's what he's going to become, at least initially right now. We don't have to make this all offensive line, but I do want to keep talking about the offensive line. Yeah. Volta's got no problem. One of my favorite picks that the Eagles made over the course of draft weekend was my guy Dylan McMahon from NC State. I love the profile, the undersized center with this great short shuttle time, this extensive history of starting along all three interior offensive line positions. What do you think of Dylan McMahon? Well, he's just that. He's undersized. So, you know, people naturally want to say, okay, can this be our next Jason Kelsey? Well, he can't run like Jason could and still can. But that's okay. That's all right. I mean, there's a place for undersized guys. You know, the Eagles just signed one, you know, at a temple, you know, in free agency. There's a place for these guys that know how to play with leverage, that have good first step quickness. No, he's going to get a chance to win the backup center position here behind Cam Jurgers. He's going to get that up. But even if he doesn't, the way the rules have changed since the pandemic where you can keep 14 or 15 guys on the practice squad, it's almost like if you're on the 90 man squad right now, it's almost impossible to get cut. Like you've got to be really bad to get cut right now because you're going to, look, you're going to try and keep Lane Johnson healthy during a week. He's not going to do a lot of that stuff during a week. Like so you're going to keep probably 10 or 11 offensive linemen right now.

probably dress eight or nine, you know, every, every weekend. And if you're not dressing, you're out there with stout game day going through an hour and a half straight of drills. So it's a great place for Dylan to come and learn and knowing the history of what the Eagles had, you know, with Kelsey retiring and, you know, and what he became coming out of Cincinnati 13 years ago. So, Baldy, one of the guys we were talking about earlier in the show is Cooper DeGine and the athletic ability.

You know Vic Fangio very. very, very well. The idea we were talking about is kind of, I don't want to say positionless, because there's always a position. But is there a scenario where you see this kid kind of as like an amoeba all over the middle of the field playing a little bit of safety, a little bit of coverage linebacker, a little bit of slot, a little bit of corner? How do you kind of envision him slotting into this defense? Well, I think that's Chonsie Gardner Johnson's role right now. He's really good at it. I can't, I don't think it benefits Cooper DeGine to do. that. It might evolve into that, bro. But honestly, it's good if you just line up and say right

corner right now and play right corner. You know, I mean, that's where Bradbury's been. That's a weakness, a real weakness right now. Like, you know, I don't know exactly how they're going to align these guys up when they get to minicamp and throughout the offseason right now. I guess we'll find out pretty soon. But I think it benefits them to learn corner. You know, I don't think you can just say, okay, he's going to be this magical chess piece. Sure. We'll put him there. Because then you don't really master anything.

You know, I think it's important to learn a position. And if it evolves from there, that's good. And we think that he has that type of versatility. But that's kind of how he played at Iowa. But that was within the framework of the defense. Sure. I think to start with, like, get out there, do a bunch of one-on-ones against this receiving court of the Eagles, work on your man-a-man-man.

skills, work on your off-band coverage, work on your techniques, work on getting your hands on guys. Like I just think right now, learn NFL fundamental techniques at cornerback and then go from there. And that is sort of how Jeff Stoutland has done things with guys in the past, right? Master this one position and then we'll move on to working you around different spots on the line. I'm going to keep it on the offensive line for you. You are close with the Jets as you are with the Eagles.

What do you make of Mackay Bechtin coming here trying to resurrect his career under Jeff Stoutland? Well, I told somebody in the Eagles when they signed him, I said, you got to go back to Jason Peters prime. I mean, his very prime, to find a more powerful player than Mackay Bechton. Wow. Like this guy has unique power. I mean, Dane doesn't have it. Landon Dickerson doesn't have it. Malada doesn't have.

This guy has unusual power. Now, he has been able to stay on the field. Even his rookie year, which was sensational. I'm nicknamed him Highway 77. Like he just cleared out a path his rookie year with the Jets. There was nobody more dominant in the run game than Mackay. Now, he's had a number of injuries. He's had a lot of setbacks.

And I think there's a question of just his level of toughness to stay on the field. If Mackay was on this interview with me, I would say it to Mackay. Like, I like him, and I want him to do good. they've got nothing to lose by signing a Mikey Pachia. Now, he tried to, you know, they put him at right tackle last year. Initially, he didn't like it. He balked at it. He thinks he's just a

left tackle. He may have to be able to swing. So, you know, he should work on his right tackle sets. But if they can keep him healthy, if Stout can get underneath him and get whatever's inside of him out, and if he can stay in shape, because that's been an issue too,

if they, if, a lot of ifs, if they do that, I mean, they got to himself a hell of a player. Do you think he could play guard, Baldy? I guess he could. He's never played guard. I don't know that, like, he thinks of himself, he's, he, look, part of his issue, he's been immature since he came into this league. He's been immature. Like, I remember having him talked to Willie Rowe for one year at O.L. Masterminds, just because Willie Rove became a Hall of Fame. But he wasn't a Hall of Fame guy, his first couple years in New Orleans. He became

that guy, like he had his issues. He had a lot of issues early on his career. I thought, hey, talk to Willie. This is a guy that's been through with Mackay, you know, learn from a guy that has been through this stuff. Like, he's kind of immature, but like maybe being cut, being released, you know, sometimes you've got to get humbled to think like, you know, you're not all that. You got to, like, actually go to work and you got to really work at your craft. I'm not dodged the question, Beau, but I think he could play guard. It just paths, you know, I would want to play card if I wanted to get back on the field and show everybody in New York that you made a mistake. Well, that's the thing, right?

Is the spot for this Eagles team if everybody stays healthy where there is a job to be won is right guard? And I guess it's, you know, could it be Bechton? How do you feel about Tyler Steen moving forward if he is the guy? I think Tyler Steen's gotten a lot stronger. You know, I mean, I think that's the first thing is he's gotten stronger. They've been impressed by his work ethic and what he has done. and in his, you know, limited play last year, he played pretty good. I know Lane would love to have Brandon Brooks back in their right guard.

Just a big 340-pound Isaac Sailmah. Give me a 340-pound, you know, guys that can move bodies inside and watch Lane just clean everything up on the backside, double teams combo blocks. Mackay is, on a good day, is probably 360. He might be more, but he can move. So I would say that you should at least see what it looks like at that position right now because this could be the most powerful offense line football. Mackay found a way in the starting position.

So, Baldy, I got a non-football question for you here because I'm not sure how much Zach and Bo actually know about the travel dog lifestyle here. I live vicariously through you on Instagram. Can you give us the travel dog travel itinerary for the summer here, Baldi? Well, unfortunately, bro, like if I just step away here. Oh, no. Yeah. Like I, you know.

What happened? I mean, you know, trying to get into boat. Sharks are coming, trying to like just get out of the water, you know, before anybody gets hungry. I was going to ask if you were wrestling on a crocodile or something. Well, I wasn't doing that. But I was trying to get out of a boat and rip my tricep. So I just had surgery to reattach the tricep last Friday. So I'm kind of in this cat.

I'm trying to do my best. I'm looking at the ocean right now. I'm trying to do my best to behave myself. Because I told this doctor, I only want to do this surgery once. It's put everything like to Belize, to Belize, to Belize, to the place I was all scheduled to go. It's kind of on hold right now. If I still have youthful recovery or if I have old man recovery, I don't know you. I've got to find that out.

I believe in you, Ball. What's the recovery timeline? Are we going to still get like a little sliver of recovery. time before camp? Well, I told Jaws, he's got his golf tournament like June 6 and 7th. I told him I'm like, I don't think I can swing club June 6 and 7. But I

go there for the party. Oh, yeah. Drinks with everyone. That'd be all right. I'm hoping by time we get to July 4th that I can be a participant in a lot of different activities. I'm doing, Bali, we're doing

a trip this summer, my wife and I, to Brazil and Argentina, Rio and I'm wondering what your he's got tips for you yeah what your tips are for us well I mean I've been to Brazil 10 times and I'm going to go I think we have actually think we have talked about this yes I'm going to go to san Paulo for the Eagles opener against green bay nice um like there's there's some things you know like you can't like there's a big competition like a daily competition between Argentinians and Brazilians over who cooks the best meat now I'm a carnivore I eat nothing but meat. So I can tell you that the Argentinian grill is good, but I believe in the Shirazcaria in Brazil.

Really? Oh. Yeah. Like I can eat, I can eat that meat. Three meals a day, 365 days a year for sure. Wow. Like out of Brazil. So you have to do that. You got to go have a good carnivore setting. You know, I think Argentina, like Buenos Aires is a really good walking city. It's a good blend of the old in the new in that city. But, you know, there's nothing. There's nobody that parties like Brazil in any event. Like you want to go see like beach volleyball. There's a party going on.

You know, you want to go see any kind of sporting event, soccer or whatever level, like nothing, nothing compares. Like, if you want to go to Lombabonera, you know, where, you know, like soccer in Argentina really, like takes place. That stadium shakes, like nothing else. Just wear the right colors, I hear. Both of juniors at Lombonera, like, that's a sporting event.

So, Baldy, what's the most exotic meat you've ever eaten? Ooh, good question. Well, I've had a lot. You know, I don't say, you know, obviously the bison is pretty typical these days. Oxtail is like nothing else. Like, that's, you know, that just falls off the bone. Yeah. I guess, you know, the old, just, you know, just frogs and alligator.

You know, frogs and alligators. I mean, who doesn't go frog digging in this world? You know, like for good bullfrogs. Like, you know, that's frog legs are a delicate. Yeah. I might have you beat here, Baldi. I've had raw horse. Oh, in Iceland?

And whale bacon in Japan. Whale bacon? Wow. I got to give that to Bo, Baldy. Yeah, I mean, you know, I haven't had the whale bacon. But, I mean, that's good blubber. You know, in the source of all bacon is good fat. So, you know, whale blubber fat bacon sounds good to me.

Yeah. I had some guinea pig in Ecuador. Is that gross? It's pretty good. I mean, I wouldn't run it back. It's a dirty animal and who doesn't love the face. Good point. Baldi are the best. You are.

Thank you so much for taking the time. Speedy recovery. On so many different fronts and speedy recovery, absolutely. Let's discuss the Eagles' schedule sometime next week. Let's do it. Supposed to come out on Wednesday. We can talk to you after that. Sounds good, guys.

See you, man. See you, Baldy. Just dynamic. He's the best. He is. Fantastic. Just like you, Jamie. Yeah.

Do you know about the travel dog lifestyle? I generally speaking. He has a pack, a wolf pack. Three best friends anyone could have. Oh, really? I didn't know it was just like three guys. And they call themselves the travel dogs. Okay.

And every summer, usually when he gets into the off season, they do something like really kick-ass. Like they've gone and seen Rolling Stones in like Rome and Bruce and Paris, and they always have some exotic trips. So I know that bums ball the out that he can't possibly do that this off season. I have faith that Baldi will get out there. Baldy's going to have a good summer regardless. I have pretty high faith in that.

Yeah. Okay. He is the man. Well, Jamie, thank you for stepping in today. My pleasure. Good to be back talking to little birds. It was good to, I know Zach was, he's going to listen back to this. He told me that.

He's not watching it live. I sent him the traffic advisory today for something and I said, you know, just put the heads up. And he said, he's like, have fun, good luck. I'll be watching later today or something like that. Yeah, exactly. And he was probably yelling like, Get to the non-football stuff. Get to the non-football stuff.

And it took until the very end of the episode with Baldy to make that happen. So, Zach, we'll be happy about that. And we are going to be back tomorrow. There's a chance that we have some press conferences tomorrow. So we are going to say right now, what are we saying? Four o'clock for tomorrow, Julia? So right now, scheduled for a four o'clock show. And then a 1.30 show on Friday, we have a special pair of guests to tease for Friday's episode.

Wow. And I'm not going to go into specifics, but I am going to say one of the players who Baldy mentioned in that interview is potentially coming on Friday. So there you go. All right. I guess I'm going to go down the hall and start cleaning up Trevor's apartment. I'll get that ready for him. And then you got the Phil's game to watch. Yeah, Phil's today.

So we'll be doing post game on the Phillies. We usually go live in the top of the ninth. Roll it right into post game. Oh, that's smart. The Phillies are a wagon, Beau. It's really, really cool. They're the best team in baseball. they're loaded. It's a lot of fun.

It's a good time to be a Phillies fan. It is indeed. Jamie and Renee and Tyler have you set up for the Ph.O.Y. Phillies podcast all summer long. Yeah. What a summer it's going to be. That'll do it for this episode of the PHLY Eagles podcast. Thank you to Trevor Keegan and Brian Baldinger to Zach Berman for finally resting for a day. The indefatigable Mr. Berman.

We'll look forward to seeing him tomorrow. And thank you to Julia for setting it all up. We will talk to you tomorrow. Most likely at 4 o'clock. Stay tuned to our Twitter feeds to find out if that changes. And until then, we thank you for listening. Thank you for watching. Make sure you subscribe all that good stuff.

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