PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | Senior Bowl Quacketology with Fran Duffy

Episode Date: February 1, 2024

You know, you love it, you’re exhausted by it. Live from Mobile, Ala., it’s another edition of Senior Bowl Quacketology, wherein Bo Wulf and Fran Duffy of PhiladelphiaEagles.com discuss 64 draft prospects and decide which player (and in what round) is most likely to become an Eagle later this spring.The tackle class includes Oklahoma’s Tyler Guyton, Oregon State’s Taliese Fuaga and BYU’s Kingsley Suamataia, all of whom could be options for the Eagles in round one. What about a mid-round flier on Michael Penix? Or a defensive lineman like Gabe Hall? This one’s for the draft sickos. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

And welcome to the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast from Mobile, Alabama, in my room at an Airbnb and downtown Mobile and his hotel room somewhere closer to the stadium. It's Fran Duffy from Philadelphia Eagles.com, joining us for his maiden appearance on the PHLY Eagles podcast. Fran, how are you? Bo, I'm doing great. It could be better. We're in Mobile, Alabama, one of our favorite places to visit on an almost yearly basis. and it's beautiful weather outside. It's, it couldn't get any better. This is the nicest weather I can remember. And like to a detrimental degree. And like everybody was walking around today with a burned face. I had to buy a hat today because I didn't want to get a second burn on the top of my scalp.

Like you take a, you take a shower and you find out where all of your bald spots are. Yeah, it was. And you never know what to expect because you and I, we've been down here where like in between practices, people were racing to the local department. store to buy like winter hats and mittens. And we've been here, obviously, like during torrential downpours where things get moved inside. We've seen tornado watches and tornado warnings. I know that was my first trip here. But today, I mean, it's the last two days. It's been mid-60s. Sunny, not a cloud in the sky. It's going to be the same thing tomorrow. It's beautiful. Now, in terms of the view, there are some long-time sickos who will be wondering if we're going

to get a pan down to the thigh for this episode. But for now, it's just just upper chest and days. You did bring up the fact that I've been wearing shorts all week. And yes, once I saw the weather report, I said, yeah, I'm going to embrace the fact that I'm going to wear shorts. So the eagle thigh in the sky lives. Okay. Let's, you know, we got a lot to get to. This may take a while. So we might as well jump right in. Now, Zach, of course, has been paying attention to all these guys. He's a college football sicko, as you are to maybe even a more extreme degree. But for me, The Senior Bowl is like the introduction to draft season. I think there are a lot of Eagles fans who are similarly aligned.

And this is our Senior Bowl quackatology, senior owl quackatology for the old timers. And what we're going to do, we're going to have 64 players who are here in Mobile, and we are going to whittle it down to the most likely player to be drafted by the Eagles in the spring. Now, what we're saying here is I'm going to give you a player in a round. So you're going to try to match what's going to be appropriate value.

And if there are ties to break, then we can talk about, you know, fit for the Eagles, potentially the Eagles we expect have the 22nd overall pick in the first round, two second round picks, a projected third round compensatory pick, and then four picks in the fifth round. So there are going to be a lot of round five matches here to come. But if you're ready, friends, man, I'm ready to hop right in. Born ready.

The moment you said we were doing quackatology, I said, are we doing a field of 32 or 64, and I'm glad that you said 64. So we're going to break it down here. All right. Let's start it off. The first player, the number one overall selection here, what I did, and I got the 64, and I randomized it. So these are all randomized matchups.

There's no chicanery of getting Rick Petino against his former Louisville team here from the corrupt selection committee. This is all by the books. So we've got Alabama Edge. Chris Braswell in the second round, okay, or Miami Safety Cameron Kitchens in round three. I do think that Kinchins is more likely to go ahead of that point.

So I think that Braswell doing the second round, I think that Braswell has a pretty good chance at the second round. He is a first round caliber athlete. Only a couple starts to his resume was still even this year as a redshirt junior. came off the bench for most of this year. So I do think that the small sample size may ding him a little bit. We haven't really seen a player like that come off the board in the first round as a pass rusher. And so I'm going to say that that is probably more likely in round two than Cam Kinchins in round three.

I think when you look at Kam Kinchins from Miami, this was a former four-star recruit, three-year starter for the hurricanes, really explosive athlete and a violent hitter downhill, has all the tools you're looking for to be in every down-scent. safety. I would say one knock that I've seen on the film that I've watched, his angles can be a little bit better playing downhill and sideline to sideline. That is something that can be, you know, some guys are able to correct and some guys are not able to get over. He's got outstanding physical tools, though. And so, you know, I've seen he's in a lot of round one mock drafts. When you look around, I don't think he'll go first round, would be my guess. But I do think that that's a very

talented player, likely not on the board round three. I would be surprised if he went off the board in the ground here as well, theoretically. for the Eagles. Tell me if you agree with this, Fran. I was talking about this in the stands. We are the same aid, right? In your mind, do you have sort of a romantic hope and connection? Don't scout the helmet, but a Miami defensive player, doesn't that just sort of give you a little bit of a tingle? It does for me. I mean, look, you know much more about the story, the Miami program. We know we know that you know lyrics to songs, you know, from that program, from years past. But I mean, look at close in now. I was actually having the conversation at dinner last night, ironically enough, too, about, you know, Miami and Florida State and like that rivalry when Miami was hitting on all cylinders.

And clearly the program has not been to that level. I do think Mario Cristobal is a possibility in terms of a coach to kind of uplift that program. We've seen Steve Sarkegee and do that at Texas and get them back on the national radar. I'm hoping that they're able to do that down in Miami. Okay, I like that. Now, Kitchens, we should say, obviously, a new defensive coordinator for the Eagles. There's some debate about, you know, how, what's going to be more of a priority for overhauling the personnel? Is it going to be linebacker or safety in this Vic Fangio defense? We know that Sidney Brown is coming off a torn ACL. You've got Reed Blankenship, who looks like a good player, but has had some injury issues.

Certainly they're going to need to add somebody there. And obviously, we know that they will have to add somebody at linebacker. Is this supposed to be a good safety draft if we're talking about a day two safety? Yeah, I think when you look at the group overall, it's a pretty talented group. I wouldn't say that, you know, there's no one, you know, it was a couple years ago when Kyle Hamilton was seen as, you know, a lock for the top 15, a potential top 10 pick. I don't think you're looking at any of these players in that vein. Cam Kinchins, I think, is arguably the best safety here in attendance. I would put Cole Bishop from Utah right there in that discussion.

there are a couple of players that aren't here that I think would warrant even potential first round possibilities. Tyler Nubin from Minnesota is a senior fifth year guy that I was a big, big fan of when I did his film over the summer looking back at last year. And he is not here in Mobile, but he is a guy that would not shock me if he went in the top, you know, 35, 40 picks. And then after that, it's really going to come down to like flavor. It depends on what you're looking for. I think Nubin is one of those guys that is really kind of scheme diverse. but you look at Kinchins, kind of a pure free safety type. You know, Jaden Hicks, who was initially going to be here from Washington State.

He was going to be here and he pulled out late. I believe we've done to an ankle injury, but he's a big safety. He's more like the prototypical strong safety now in today's league. And you go right down the line. There's a bunch of guys that kind of fit those different archetypes but aren't quite as scheme diverse. So it'll be kind of a beauty in the eye of the beholder. But it's a good group. I do kind of like the safety class.

Okay. We'll move on now to the next matchup. South Dakota State running back, Isaiah Davis, who has had a couple little flashes over the past couple days, or, yeah boy,

southeast and Missouri wide receiver Ryan Flournoy. Okay. Oh, sorry, I'm sorry. Isaiah, both in the fifth round. Both in the fifth round. So I do like both players, both guys coming from lower levels of competition.

Isaiah Davis running back, he was one of the first acceptances to the senior bowl a couple of months ago. I kind of like, I like the way he plays. I compared him to James Connor in that he's a, he's a little bit of a bigger back. Six foot 220. There's go.

Yep. So he's got that frame. He doesn't have a ton of juice. That's like the big knock. He's not like a breakaway runner at all. But he's kind of smooth. And everything he does is really natural. He catches the ball pretty well out of the backfield.

We saw a little bit of that today. And he's, I think he's got a decisive feel as a runner downhill. And so I do like Isaiah Davis. Fifth round does feel a. about right to me. But in this running back class, I think there's going to be a lot of, a lot of disparity in terms of how people see players. And it wouldn't shock me if he did get drafted a little bit earlier than that, maybe even in the, in the fourth round. And so

I think I'm going to go with Florinoi, I believe it's Florinoe from, it was it's Southeast Missouri, right? And I think when you look at, I actually studied him last week because he was a late addition to this game. And I was excited to get into him because I knew kind of, he was a former Bruce Feldman Freaklis guy over at the athletic. And so I knew he's a big body guy. So I was excited to dig into his film. 6-1, 200 pounds. This kid can run.

He was a reported 435 by Bruce Feldman. A lot of the other test scores are really, really impressive. The shuttle times, the jumps through the roof would be, you know, in the 80th, 90th, 95th percentile across the board and a lot of those numbers. And so when you look at a guy with that size, with those athletic measurements, okay, does they show up? And I do think in spurts that they do show up on tape. But what stands out to me more, he's a great blocker. And he's really, really tough. And the reason why I think that that matters for a kid like this is that he's not a polished player right now.

And we've seen that. He's not like a great technician as a route runner. But if you're big and fast and tough, he's going to get drafted and he's going to play special teams early in his career. It's like that Mac Collins like archetype as early on in your career. And so I do think that when you get in. Good job going with Mac Collins and in his career class, I do think that he's can make it. So I think that Florinoi in the fifth round makes more sense. I think Davis could go a little bit earlier. Okay. Good job. Good job using Mack Hollins and not Riley Cooper as the comp for

that type of player as a fifth round pick. Next up, we've got Notre Dame by way of Wake Forest quarterback, Sam Hartman in round five. Or another, yeah boy, Oregon defensive lineman, Brandon Dorliss in round three. All right. So Hartman is going to be tough. He's played a lot of football, a lot of football and I think that that experience will carry him a long way for your starter at wake forest then goes to nondon and starts that big year last year with the irish um you know we've seen some flashes of him here uh not the most gifted quarterback in terms of like arm strength and he's not like a a power thrower but um i will say just to just to step in for zach handsome young man sure of course i'm not willing i'm not afraid to to admit that uh you know i know that zach that's one of his foibles is his inability to do that.

But I do think when you look at Sam Hartman, he is a, he looks, he knows how to operate the game. Again, he's played a lot of ball. You're not going to fool him with a lot of the stuff that you're showing him. And that does show up on film. I think when you look at Doorless, I think he could go earlier than that. He's a player. Look, I think you and I were talking about him today when we did our play-by-play.

Yes. For the YouTube page. And again, a really nice to be to move for a win. And I made the comparison, Doorless to Milton Williams. And I've been studying Doorless for two, three years now at Oregon. He's been on the radar for a while. And he is a true, like, D-N, D-Tackle hybrid player. He came in under 280 pounds.

He's a great athlete. A lot of his best reps come on the inside, much like Milton. That's why there are some people that will list him as D-N. And he even played mostly D-N this year at Oregon. But I think his future is on the inside. and I'm going back and forth. I think it is more likely he falls to round three. I'm going to go.

Yeah, I will step in here and say, it doesn't make sense to me for the Eagles to use a fifth round pick on a quarterback when they've got Tanner McKee. If you're going to, I'm willing to buy the Eagles adding a quarterback, but to me, if they're going to do that and take that swing, you're talking like a round two,

round three guy, which would be kind of wild, but feels a little duplicative with Tanner McKee. Yeah, I'll let you get it to the, like the Eagles application. Yes, exactly. And I think that when you look,

at just like a grand scope. I could see Doorless falling only because of like the tweener label. I think some will give him. I don't think that that's as big now as it was, you know, five, six, seven years ago. But I'm a big fan of Brandon Doorless. So I'll go Doorless here. Okay. Next up we have the highly rated but injury prone North Carolina State linebacker, Peyton Wilson.

We're seeing round two here. Maybe that is rich. or Wisconsin offensive lineman and delicious dinner, Tanner Bordellini in round five. In round five. All right. So let's go. Let's start with Bordellini, who has had some moments. He's had some nice plays in pass rush one-on-one.

There's some nice stops there. But also, I think when you look at some of his downsides, that has shown up as well. I know you pointed out that he got hit with a bull rush yesterday, day one of practice. that didn't go well. He got beat a couple times today and some of the reps that I saw. I do think he's solid. I think that day three is right right in terms of value. But then when I get to Peyton Wilson, here's what I'll say about Peyton Wilson. I think that if he had a perfectly clean bill of health, I think you're probably talking about him in the top 45 in the draft. Like I think he is like that kind of player. He would have come out earlier in

his career would be my guess as well. He's a 60 year senior. He's a 60 year senior. So he's a little bit older. But the big reason for that is that the last couple of years have kind of been marred by injury, particularly the 2021 season was hit hard. And then he was kind of coming back in 2022, still played 11 games, but wasn't really fully healthy until he got to this year in 2020. And so to me, you watch Wilson, this is a guy that impacts the game in a lot of different ways. He can make plays in coverage. He's got great feel for playing in space.

He can man up and he can play in zone. He can blitz. He's a great blitzer. He's a really aggressive run defender. the arm length, a little bit of a concern. That came up this week from when he got measured here in Mobile on Sunday. But I think when you look at his overall athletic profile, you look at his instincts, he look at his toughness.

Those are all things that I think translate really well. But the injuries are going to be a big concern. You know, just the stuff that's been reported in the media. He missed spring drills in 2018. He missed time. He missed the season in 2018 after a knee injury in the summer. He missed one game in 2019. He missed a couple games in 2020.

and then he had two dislocated shoulders. He played through the year in 2020 with two dislocated shoulders, got surgery, missed all a spring ball, and then re-injured them in 2021. And so has not had anything major in the last two calendar years. No thing. That's something that was an issue, right? So I think when you look at Wilson, I think his skill set screams NFL starter. But it's going to be the off-field stuff.

If he were healthy, I think round two is where you're talking about with him, though. So I think with the medical stuff, probably more likely that a Bordolini goes in round five than a Wilson goes in round two. That said, I think whoever is taking him in round three in this scenario, it's going to feel pretty good. I think that's a nice dice roll to take on Wilson because I think the upside is certainly there. Turns 24 in April and it should be said, looks eerily similar to Dallas Goddard. I didn't think that when I saw him today, but you're absolutely right. It did not hit me on top of my head, but he does have a very eerie resemblance to Dallas. congratulations to Bordelani.

Moving on, Houston Christian, Edge, Jalix Hunt, former, what is it, Cornell Safety? Cornell Safety. So he played DB in the Ivy League and then transferred out and got moved to linebacker and pass rusher. He's a pass rusher this week. How does that make a Cornell defensive line coach feel? Well, that's what I reached out to us said Cornell defensive line coach.

He was like, well, he played safety for us. I was like, oh, all right, well, you can't get me too much. He gave me a little bit. I mean, basically, early in his career, Cornell, they just said like go find the football like you know just run run and chase and find the football and now as a pass rush he's actually had some moments uh it hasn't always been pretty um but he he had a couple nice rushers in one-on-ones today uh he's he's got decent size he's a linear guy obviously is a safety playing edge rusher but um you know he's he's got some juice he's got some athleticism

it would not shock me if he goes early day three uh in this draft i don't even know where you've got the uh what's our round line this is round five for gillics hunt or minnesota tight end brevin span forward in round five as well. Spanford, a guy that you and I have talked about on the sideline, looks the part, big, big old tight end body, not the most electric athlete,

but a guy who can block. Yes. One of my favorite tight ends in the class, to be honest, he's a little bit older, but I think in terms of this, this is a guy who knows what he is, and that is one of the best blockers

and maybe the best blocker at tight end in this draft. He takes that job very, very seriously. Almost 6-7 and 267, big old fellow. He can move a little bit. bit. It's just, yeah, he's not a complete stiff. Athleticism. That's not going to be his calling card. But this is a guy that I could envision like, okay, for four straight years, he has like eight catches a year, but he still gets like legit tight end two money because he is a plus blocker in the room.

And his quarterback really trusts him. Right. Of course, as we know. Um, no, but I think when you look at Span Ford, I would say fifth round is like, keep it on the fair way. And I think that there's some variance there with Jaylux Hunt. Like I could see him go fourth round. A team falls in love. he goes to Indy next month and blows it up or he goes to Indy and he doesn't test as well and it's like all right well it's a transition to a new position coming from a low level of competition you know maybe maybe he goes to round six round seven

so I want to go with Spanford here in round five In a classic quacketology fashion we are through five matchups and it's been almost 20 minutes Yes time for a matchup of safeties here Fran Oregon states Keaton Oladopo Okay in round five or Georgia and Philly guy Tykee Smith in round three.

Oh. So I like Tykee Smith a lot. I think he's a really good football player. Started his career. As you mentioned, a Philly guy went to West Virginia, played early on, and then transferred up to Georgia

and got hurt basically right away. So missed a couple seasons there. And then it was a backup two years ago and then became a full-time starter for the dogs this year in the slot. I thought he was really good. I thought his tape shows an NFL starter inside. So this is a guy that's

instinctive, he's tough. I think he's quick enough. I didn't think the athleticism was a major concern, but that is a question that some have had with his upside is does he have the athleticism to be in every down nickel in the league? And so me personally, I don't have that concern. Round three might be, to me like, again, me personally, I see round three. And I'm like, yeah, I like that for Tyke Smith. I don't know that he's universally viewed that way. And then to go back to the other safety, you said it was Al-Aoppo. And I like an Oladopo. You said it was round five? Yeah. I like Oladopo.

Um, and that's right around the range. I think he comes a nice smile for it. He's kind of like that prototypical strong safety type. Uh, I like the physicality. He showed up in coverage a couple times. So I actually had a Pbue against, uh, Brevin's band for it. I remember in the, uh, the post practice one-on-one sessions. Um, oof, I think it's probably more likely oldapo goes in round five though.

I think that's the more likely outcome is that he ended up being a round five pick as opposed to Tyke Smith, who I like in round three, but I don't know that everybody else does. Okay. Next up. We have a big, strong, powerful man in round two as a possibility. Do the Eagles need another nose tackle type with maybe some pass rush upside? Texas is Tavondre Sweat in round two or California linebacker Jackson Sermann in round five. Jackson Sermon doing a little bit of a little showboating today at practice.

Doing a little celebrating. The latest addition to the senior bowl roster, he got added literally. like the day we all showed up on Monday was a surprise because I did not know he was going to be down here of Peter Sermon. I don't know if you remember the former Titans linebacker. Sun? Yeah, the Sun, I believe. I'm almost positive. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. I'm going to do this just to make sure.

Jackson's Sherman, yeah. Zach Berman checking it on the chat. Very happy. I know. Is that a super chat from ZB? Or what? There we go. Philly guys, all you need to say. No, but to me,

hmm, sermon in round five might be a little rich. And now this linebacker class, I think there's a lot to be decided there, but I think that might be a little rich, so I'm going to go away from sermon here. Okay. Next up,

the other Georgia safety who is here, Javan Bullard in round two, or a bit of a speed threat, a guy who has made a few deep plays this week, two-lane wide receiver Jaquan Jackson. in round five. I'm going to say Bullard in round two. Bullard came in a little bit undersized this week,

a little bit smaller than people thought. And that would make you think, okay, well, he's got to be a nickel, as opposed to like a pure safety. But the problem is, is that Tyke Smith was the nickel this year for Georgia.

And so now you're projecting. And so, you know, I think he'll probably need someone to really fall for him to make it into round two. That said, I think he has a better chance of going that high than Jackson does of going around. five. Jackson's actually had a good week though.

He's been outperformed my expectation. I would say he's done a nice job this week. He made some tough catches going to the ground. I'm going to be honest. The American practices have been a little bit of a slog to get through, but he has been a bright spot for that passing game. It's wild. I mean, it's crazy how unproductive those practices have been.

A little slow, a little tempered. Going over and watching the O-line D-line with that group today made it seem a little bit faster because they're bringing the juice over there. There's a lot of violence, a lot of collisions over there. But when you're watching the offense working team and the 7-on-7, it's a grind. Okay. Congratulations to Bullard. Next up, we've got – oh, before we move on, we got a super chat from Gavin who says he's given 200 pennies to say, what's up to my guy, Zeeburm.

What's up, Z berm? What's up, Gavin? The other Davis running back who is here, Kentucky's Ray Davis in round five, or one of the highest rated players here, Oregon State tackle Talies Fouaga in round one at 22 overall. Fawaga's going round one

for sure. He's a round one guy. Ray Davis said round five. Temple made, by the way. Started for years with Temple and then transferred to Vanderbilt, spent two years down there with the Commodores and then transferred again

for Kentucky this year and had his best season in college. So a fifth year guy excels at making people miss, a tough physical, think of runner doesn't have a ton of breakaway juice, but I think there's something there. Anyone that watched the SEC this year, Davis,

was one of the more productive players in the league this year in the, in that conference. That said, Fulag is a lock first round pick. So, you know, he is a, a rock steady offensive lineman.

I know Daniel Jeremiah had a top 10. Yeah, that's right. Francis is obsessed with the turtles right now. So that was, yeah, he's completely obsessed with turtles and Super Mario. Who's his favorite turtle?

What's that? Who's his favorite? favorite uh leonardo because he's the leader so nice a sign of uh where his his uh his archetype is but that's good because i was obviously a raphael guy because i'm a sarcastic a hole and look who i grew up to be i was i was a i was a rafel guy as well um but uh i think when you look at foaga he he is not this offensive tackle class is outstanding it's a really really really good group and i think once you kind of hash it out you know you talk basically if you pull a hundred people who have watched them, you're going to get all kinds of different orders for the top four,

five, six, seven guys. And some people are going to have foiega at three. Some people are going to have foiega at seven. Some people are going to have them at five. But everybody kind of agrees like this guy is going to be a long time NFL starter. All right. Next up, we've got Yukon offensive lineman Christian Haynes in round five. Or here's the guy, the tight end here who I think I have liked the most, just the way he moves, Kansas states Ben Sinat in round five. I believe it is Senate. Senate. Like Reed's Senate.

All right. I think it's more likely Synit goes in round five. I think Christian Haynes is like round two, round three. Really? Yeah, he's really good player. He's a really athletic. He's only played right guard,

and that's probably the biggest concern, not a concern, but that would be the biggest knock that I would have on it. Six, two and a half, three 18 for Christian Haynes. But he's got long arms. And he's got some power to him. He's athletic. He's really tough.

He's looked good in power. pro this week. He's small hands, though. What's that? Long arm small hands. Interesting match. Yes, one of those guys.

But he, I was really impressed watching him on film. I was excited to see him in person this week. And he has, Matt, he had a really good week. I know talking with Oline, Oline guru himself,

Brandon Thorne was impressed with Christian Haynes over the last couple days. So I would say Haynes going in round five is probably not going to happen. So I'd have to go the opposite way there. Okay. Next up. Western Michigan Edge Marshawn Neeland in round five or Auburn safety Jalen Simpson in round three. This is a good one.

I think both of them are right in the correct wheelhouse. Marshawn Neeland is going to be a guy that I think a lot of people are a lot of scouts are going to like and a lot of coaches are going to like because he's really long, he's really disruptive. He was really productive in the Mac for a long time. He's got an excellent motor. You see that physicality show up here in the practice field. he's got some athletic limitations.

He's got length, but the explosiveness, the Twitch, just not quite there. But I do think he'll be one of those, like, coaches, pet types in terms of his play style. Even though there was a play where he got knocked on the ground, I want to say, it might have been Fawaga that knocked him over. And Fagga went to go knock him up and kneel and, like, swatted his hand away. I was like, get out of here. Like, he's just, he's got like that kind of play personality. I think it's more likely he goes in round five than Simpson goes in round three.

And I like Simpson. He's like a pure free safety. really explosive, really rangy. He's made some nice plays on the ball. He's jumped some routes in team and in one-on-ones so far this week. A converted corner, he's really light, though. He's under 170 pounds at safety, like are extremely, extremely light. So that could be a thing that would bump him to day three of the draft.

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Kentucky's offensive lineman Jeremy Flacks, 6-5-360. He goes, this is a round three option. Or Jerry Rice's son, USC wide receiver, Brendan Rice in round five. I'm going to go Brendan Rice, round five. He's a little bit stiff. He's not super explosive.

He makes some nice place through contact. He's got pretty reliable hands. I think he is more likely to go round five than Flax, who was a late addition to the senior bowl. Him going round three, especially in this tackle class, I think would be a surprise. okay that was an easy one good job that was an easy one yeah okay uh georgia wine receiver lad mcconkey in round three all right uh or duke defensive tackle de wayne carter in round three

a couple round three faceoffs here this is a good one carter we talked about uh on the one-on-ones had like one of the most impressive reps of the week on uh tuesday but uh i don't know does he have enough upside as a pass rush right that that's the concern three-year captain for Duke. So, you know, the intangibles seem to be. Like Steve Wojahowski. Yeah. Yeah. The intangible certainly seem to be there with him. I think when you look at McConkey, he kind of gets pigeonholed as like a slot only guy. I think that he's more than that. He's one of the best route runners in the class. He's got really good hands. I'm interested to see how he tests next year or next month in the in the

combine. I think he's going to test a little better than people think with the vertical speed. and if that happens, if he goes like, you know, 446, you know, 448, I think that he could go in the second round, especially when you factor in the entire package. So I'm going to say, I'm going to say Dwayne Carter, round three. I think that that feels right for Carter and McConkey. I think there could be some variance there. Okay. Next up, we've got Florida State defensive tackle, Brayden Fiskey, Friskey, Fiskey in round three. Or the guy who like had one of the most.

impressive practices of the day just completely dominated and wrecked a session. And that is Kansas's edge, Austin Booker, in round three. Interesting body types here. Fiskey is a really sought off defensive tackle. Started his career in the Mac and was extremely productive at Western Michigan with Nieland and then transferred down to Florida State and kept that production going. It was an All-American this year for Florida State. It was one of the best players on that defense, really short arms, but extremely high effort.

it, good first step, uses his hands well, really disruptive against the run and the pass. Round three feels about right. He's going to be another one of these guys that I think people fall in love with from a like a coaching standpoint. His like play personality. And then you said the other one was Austin Booker. Austin Booker in third round. So the reason why his body type a little unique, he's six, four and a half.

He's 240 pounds. He's extremely lean. He is like a bean pole the way he is built. So I think there's going to be questions. in terms of like, okay, like, you know, how much more weight can he put on, has not played a lot of ball at all. He's a redshirt sophomore who only played this year. I think I said to you on the stream today that he has played less snaps than any edge rush or drafted in the last decade, at least the ones that PFF has charted. And so you're talking about a small sample size with kind of a unique body type, him going round three without having like the superb production would be a little bit surprising to me.

So I will go with physical fiscy, frisky there in round three. If it's fiscy, then it's risky. There you go. All right. Next up, we have the, they have the, they have like the monitoring of the guys. And this is the player who on day one was the fastest player on the field, according to the tracking. And that is North Carolina wide receiver, DeVontes Walker.

We're talking about him in round five here. Or arguably the best player here, Oklahoma tackle, Tyler Gutt, in round one and I'd like to use this opportunity to apologize to Julia because I requested Guyton to be the picture on the episode today except I wrote Jalen Guyton and she's like who is Jalen Guyton she knew she was doing this she I got nothing on Jalen Guyton not and Tyler Guyton so thank you Julia there you go Chargers wide receiver that's right I think Trevor Guyton round one is the safer stay for bet now Tess Walker uh started his career Kansas State was productive, transferred to North Carolina this year,

and actually had to sit out the first half of the year because there was like weird things with the NCAA trying to get him, you know, trying to get him able to play. So missed the first few games. But he's a big body vertical threat. Dale Jeremiah had him in his mock draft, uh,

in his first mock draft 1.0 last week. Uh, and then was in his top 50 that dropped the other day. Really? Uh, I think you, you would say that that's surprising. You,

I can see on your face that that's surprising. And I would agree. I don't necessarily view him as that kind of a player. But you look at big play potential at that size. So, I mean, there's going to be fans for him around the league. It's like last year. I was it, no, it was two years ago when Jeremiah's top 50 came out and he had, what's his name, the Cowboys wide receiver from a small school.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, the South Alabama kid. Yes. And I was like, what? Yeah, but then he ended up going, I think, the third round. So, yeah, he's, I would be surprised if he fell all the way to round five, Tess Walker. Okay. And Guyton at first round, like, all day. Okay.

Yeah, so that one makes sense. All right. Another first round all day guy most likely, and that is Oregon's Jackson Powers Johnson, yeah, your boy, or Arizona running back, rather, Michael Wiley in round five. Powers Johnson, round one all day. The only knock, you would say, is the sample size. He's only a one-year starter, but check every box you want in a center interior offensive line because he's done it at Guard as well this week and as a backup earlier in his career.

But he is outstanding. We'll we can talk about him a little bit, but he's been arguably the most impressive player here this week. If you're just like, if you came in blind this week and who's the best player, Powers Johnson has checked every box you would want from an offensive lineman. Okay. Next up, we've got, oh, this is a rhyming matchup. Nice job by the randomizer here. Houston tackle Patrick Paul, who has the longest arms on his team.

He is 6-7-333 with over 36-inch arms. Or Baylor defensive lineman Gabe Hall in round two. So we've got Paul versus Hall. And you said Paul, round three? Paul round three. Paul round two. I think it's probably more likely that those are flipped. So this is a tough one because I think that this will probably

be a round two exit for either one of these, whoever does advance. Okay. I think it's probably more likely that Patrick Paul were to fall around three than Gabe Hall to advanced to round two. Gabe Hall, the Ballard defensive lineman, was a freakless guy at Baylor. It's been a three or four year player for them. He is built like a Charles of Menahue, kind of like a detackle, D-N hybrid. He's really athletic.

He makes plays against the run in the past. He's flashed this week, but his film was a little up and down. I think with Patrick Paul, he was in first. drop mock drafts and still is at times. Is it Patrick Paul or Paul Patrick? It is Patrick Paul. And his brother, Washington offensive line and Chris Paul. Oh.

Yeah. So there's a school with Chris Paul. The other Chris Paul, yes. Go Deeks. I think when you look at Patrick Paul, he probably goes round two. So I'm going to go, oh, let's say Patrick Paul, because I think there's a better chance of him going round three than Gabe Hall elevating all the way out to round two. Okay.

Next up, a guy that we paid some attention to today, Washington's Roger Rosengarten in round three. Okay. We're talking about not Henry Rowengartner, but Roger Rosengarten, or Tulane quarterback, Michael Pratt in round five. I think it's probably more likely Pratt and round five. Rosengarner's got, he's got some fans around the league. He's a little bit inconsistent with the level of play. And I know there were some that thought he should have gone back this past year. Obviously, there's been a lot of turnover at Washington, both on the field and on the sideline.

So it makes sense as to why he would come out. But I think when you look at Michael Pratt, he is a very intriguing player. Homestooled through eighth grade, did not play organized football until ninth grade until high school. Hold on. Home schooled through eighth grade? Homestchooled through eighth grade. I mean, I got to do a lot of homework on that in the chatting process. And I think that that's fair.

And it's especially, you know, we've, there's always stories every year of like, oh, like, you know, Prospect X, like didn't play football until ninth grade, 10th grade. It's rare that that happens with a quarterback. It's very rare that you talk about a quarterback prospect who did not play, you know, until now that said, he was a four-year starter at Tulane. That's actually really impressive that he'd only played quarter,

he only played football for a couple of years and then got a D-1 scholarship and then started as a freshman and then went on to be, he had to be the winning-ness quarterback in program history, did an outstanding job the last couple of years. He is a high-variance player, really good touchthrower. he's really athletic and he's really tough. And that toughness shows up in the pocket. The toughness shows up as a runner.

He's a fun player to watch. But unpolished player and a little bit of raw player still, understandably so. So I think that he could fall to round five. I think that would surprise some people. I know that there are some people I think that he could be like a round three, round four guy. But we've seen quarterbacks like this fall at time.

So I think that Pratt round five makes more sense. All right. Next up, we've got Arizona's tackle. Jordan Morgan in round three. He had a tough day today. It looked like, you know, just one practice, but he struggled today. Or another round one mock track. He was like in top 15 of round one mocks in like through from the spring all the way up

through the fall. A little bit. Yeah. Or Rice wide receiver Luke McCaffrey in round five. He is the brother of Christian McCaffrey. Would the Eagles dare? The son of Ed. That's right.

Ed Crats? Yeah. You said the, you said fifth round? Round three for Jordan Morgan, round five for Luke McCaffrey. I think it's probably more likely round five for McCaffrey. Jordan Morgan, I think that round three makes sense for him, but I think there's been so much buzz about people liking him in round one. Okay, like he'll be value in round two,

that round three almost feels like he probably wouldn't end up there, although I agree, the tape can be up and down. And so I would say that Luke McCaffrey ending up at, in round five is more likely. Okay. Another wide receiver now. Another white wide receiver. Michigan's Roman Wilson in round two.

Roman Wilson's had a good week so far. Yes. Or Rutgers Corner, another brother of an NFL player, Max Melton, the Rutgers Corner, in round five. I'm going to say Roman Wilson in round two. He, it's a small sample size because they did throw the ball a ton of Michigan. but this kid is he is quick in and out of breaks. He's a really sharp route runner.

One of the best route runners here. And he made an outstanding catch at the end of practice today, one-on-one against Quinnion Mitchell, who's been one of the best defensive players here. I would say Roman Wilson round two. That would not shock me. We've seen guys from the Senior Bowl go round two just this past year and go and find success, Rashie Rice,

the kid, the Michigan State kid that Green Bay took. Jay to Reed. Jay to Reed, thank you. You go back years and years and years. there's a line of those guys coming from Mobile going into the second round and finding success. And I could see Roman Wilson following that back. Debo Samuel, no question. Speaking of, a South Carolina wide receiver is up next.

Xavier Leggett, Leggett in round three. Okay. Or TCU offensive lineman Brandon Coleman in round five. Leggett's a bit of a bigger. A wide receiver. He doesn't, he's not the smooth. this mover. No. He was getting comparisons to DK Metcalf from a lot of the media

media folks and round one buzz from some and I would say we can probably safely assume that that's probably not going to happen especially what we've seen from this week. He has not had a dominant week of practice. He has fought the ball a little bit. I would agree he's not the smoothest mover. He needs to get a little bit better as a separator. And so round three for a guy with that size, his ability to be a ball winner, I could see that.

I think that's probably the more likely scenario. Okay. Next up, Penn State Edge, Adisa Isaac in round three. Okay. And this edge group seems to be a little bit down, right? In Mobile or just in general, you mean? You tell me? I think that the group overall is pretty good.

In Mobile, I would actually agree that it's probably a little bit below expectation for a normal senior ball. And it's maybe missing the group as a whole is missing a couple like top 10 guys. Yeah, I think that's probably fair. I mean, Laotu Latu is a legit round one guy and he's here. Actually, a huge credit to him for being here. And I think also the edge group also doesn't look great overall because it's going up because it's a really good offensive tackle group. So that doesn't help things.

Okay, so we've got Adisa Isaac in round three or New Hampshire running back, Dylan Laub in round five. Okay. This is on the nose for both guys. I'm going to go. That's a tough one. So Laub is from New Hampshire, small school. great receiver. He had 12 catches for like 170 yards against Central Michigan this year.

He can be used to the week after that had 33 carries. So you talk about like his like versatility as a weapon is impressive. But Isaac is a guy that it was all Big Ten this year. He's a power leverage like win at the point of attack, kind of a gritty player that way. He's not a superb athlete. He was getting some round one buzz from media types in the fall. I don't know that he's not that level of player in my opinion, especially. Yeah, exactly. He's that kind of like rocked up base end. But I can see him going round three. And a lot of I could definitely see going round five. But I think, you know, coming from the lower level of competition with a niche skill set, I think Isaac is probably the more of the lock to go in the third round.

Okay. Next up, we've got someone who you said it, a potential sleeper for round one. But we've got him as a round two peg here. and that is Ohio states Michael Hall. Yep. Or Notre Dame's Marist Leifow. Loufow. Round five.

Almost got it. I believe it's Marist Loufow. Loufow. Yeah. And he's an interesting player as a linebacker. You use a Lufa? No, I'm not a Lufu guy. What do you do?

I just go. Straight hand? Meat hooks, yep. Wow. Respect. I mean, sometimes you have no choice, but it's not my number one option. Yeah, trust the trust. It used to be a lufa guy in the old, back in the day.

I think it was the initial season of birds with friends. A listener said that the lufa is not as clean as it looks. You go with a silicone scrub. So that's what we have in the rotation now. You know, I haven't even thought about that. And that's what that person is a thousand percent right. That is more of a reason to not go with the lufa. That said, Maris Lufal.

He's an interesting player. He was not on Scouts radar at all coming into this. the year and had a huge season. Really rangey player offers versatility as a blitzer. Yeah, they list him as an edge, but he's been just playing. Yeah, he's an off ball. I think that might have been a typo, you know, from, you know, whoever's doing the graphics. He's a, he's a linebacker all day.

And he's been working with the offball guys in practice. So I think when you look at him, I think, you said round five. Yes. Yeah. And then take me back to the first one. Michael Hall and round two. Michael Hall and round two. I think Lufa could go earlier than five.

So I'm going to go Michael Hall at two. We'll talk about Hall when we get to the second round. I really like Michael Hall. All right. Tennessee quarterback Joe Milton in round five. Right. Or Kentucky Corner Andrew Phillips, Andrew, A&RU, fun spelling in round five as well. Phillips, a two-year starter at Kentucky and has basically not had like any production at all.

He's had no picks, a handful of PBU. who's no sacks, I think like one TFL, like just the ball production overall has not quite been there, but he's got traits. And he's like flashed here. He's flashed a little bit. Yeah, he has. That said, I think with the lack of production, him falling around five, I think is a suitable outcome. Joe Milton is a wild card. And, you know, Jim Nagy, you know, is after Milton committed to the game. He went on Twitter. And I think it's a valid point. And look, they're not the same level of prospect. But, you know, when you look at Joe Milton, who is, you know, six, five, once he's 2.30. He's an athletic freak and he could throw the ball through a brick wall.

He's got an extremely strong arm. He's got all the physical tools, only a one-year starter. Start his career at Michigan and was given the reins as a sophomore. And he got benched after like two games. And then ended up transferring a couple of years the next year, went to Tennessee, sat behind Henan Hooker for two years and then took over as a starter. And the production was solid, but nothing, nothing crazy. But the point that Jim made, was if Anthony Richardson goes in the fourth round, like, or it goes fourth overall pick, like what does that mean for Joe Milton? Like, you know, he's not going that high, right?

Because, you know, because Richardson was so, so good last year. But, you know, is that mean third round? Like, could he go fourth round? The tape, I would say, doesn't say a show a quarterback that way. And I think even here, it's been a little bit up and down. The accuracy has been a little bit scatter shot throughout the week for Joe Milton. He completed a pass in seven on seven yesterday. The day one, it was the last completion of the day in team period.

and he proceeded to do a standing backflip, like showing off that athleticism. But I think I got to go the other way. I think round five, it might be a little bit rich. I could see him falling into round six, round seven. Okay. Next up, Utah safety, Sione Vaki in round five, or the aforementioned Toledo corner Quinyon Mitchell,

who has just been nails throughout the week so far in round round one. All right, we're going to talk. It's going to be Mitchell. He's going to advance. We'll talk about him later. So I'll just really quickly hit on Vachl. red shirt or actually a true sophomore safety from Utah, but he's more than three years removed from high school.

And so he was able to declare for the draft as a true sophomore, only a one year starter. Kind of a, honestly, very similar to Sidney Brown. I would say like a less polished version of Sydney Brown in that he's like, heat seeking missile. He's built very similarly to Sydney Brown, probably not as stacked, like not as thick,

but that same kind of compact frame. You want him playing downhill, like go find the football. That's when he's at his best. I think that Sydney was a better player, and Sidney ended up going third round. I don't think that Vaki is quite to that level. The one wrinkle with Vaki, and we saw it today, is that he had, I believe it was like 75 or, you know,

73 carries as a running back this year, played both ways for Utah and ran routes today during one-on-ones. And so, and from what I heard, it was when we were watching the O-line D-line together. From what I heard, it didn't look half bad for safety running routes down at the senior ball. So there's that little wrinkle there with him. But no, it's Mitchell all day round one. Very funny comment from Robin, who says doing a backflip after you complete a pass,

feels like the apotheosis of act like you've been there before. First of all, great use of apotheosis. Yes. Second of all, I do like, like I imagine like running a two-minute drill, but he's got to do a backflip as he's going up to call the play. It's very funny. I feel like after we finish this pod, that might be something I try and do on the bed behind me. Very impressive.

Okay, a matchup of round five options here, Mississippi State linebacker Nathaniel Watson or a great full sentence, All-Star here, Virginia State Corner, Willie Drew, both round five. Both round five. Willie Drew and you said Nathaniel Watson. Willie drew a beautiful picture. Yeah, Nathaniel Watson, I think, could go earlier. He wouldn't shock me if he went day two. He's been really disruptive. he's with that second practice, you know, so it's been with the American team.

And it's been, again, a little bit of a slog. That defense has been all over the offense. I mean, they have not let them get off the ground in the one team period. We have watched every single day with that group. And Watson has been at the forefront. A lot of those plays. You see him chasing plays down to the flat. He is a great blitzer and has been extremely productive blitzing from depth,

blitzing off the edge. I think there's some Michael Kendricks there. There's some, I think, some Frankie Louvre there, who's been a good player for the Panthers the last couple of years. But he's a little bit unrefined too. He's not like a pure like readed out linebacker.

Like he's not, he's not that kind of guy. So it wouldn't shock me if he got Poor man's Willie Gay. Yeah, I mean, sure. Let's throw the other thing. And then take us to Willie Drew at Virginia State, who moves pretty well, started his career at James Madison

and then went down transferred down. Wasn't Drew Willie a guy? Yeah, Drew really is a court. Oh, man. Probably like one of the biggest heartbreaks of my football career, of my professional career in football, Drew Willie hitting Neiman Roosevelt, Hail Mary, University of Buffalo,

over the Temple Owls up at UB Stadium, just a dagger. It was just terrible. Hail Mary final play, Drew Willie, the quarterback, who I think had a cup of tea with the Ravens in the NFL. That sounds right. But Willie Drew, I don't think, I think that he's less likely to go round five.

Oh, so this is Nathaniel Watson? Oh, actually, no. Yeah. Watson, I think actually goes earlier. So, yeah, Willie Drew advances. All right. Because you made the Drew Willie comparison. We got to get him out here.

Oh, so we're sticking with Nathaniel Watson. Willie Drew advances, but next round, he's out. Okay. Star-studded matchup here. The only matchup of first round picks. UCLA's, how is it? Lato. Latu.

Latu. And I'm going round one trade-up. So it's going to, they're going to have to move up for them. A team trade down for BYU is Kingsley, Sue Matea. All right. So a team, is a team more likely to trade up for for Laatou Latu? Or is a team less or more likely to trade down for Kingsley? I think it's more likely that a team would trade down for Kingsley and trade down and get Kingsley.

Because it's such a stacked group. Yes. and with Laatu Latu's injury history, he had a neck injury at Washington that forced him to medically retire, could not get cleared. And he ended up basically like dropping out of football for a season.

Kind of crazy. It reminds you of Jalen Phillips, right? No question. And he actually, he is a very, very similar player. Like skill set-wise, body type-wise, is very, very similar player to Jalen Phillips. But I'll say I love Latu on film. I actually like him a lot more than I liked Jalen Phillips. But I think from my body type and skill set stamp,

point they are very similar um i love lot to the player but there's going obviously there's a huge risk there involved so trading up to get lot to on top of that risk i think would be that's a double down of a risk i don't know that a team would be willing to take okay uh let's see let's see if we can get through the first round within an hour we've got five five more matchups we'll buzz through it'll be fast we got this oh the say yeah once you get i mean i say this every time the first round is more matchups and the rest of the thing combined we've already talked about the players We'll go quicker. I can step in and do a little bit more Eagles spin on the nature of things.

Yukon Edge, Eric Watts in round five or Arkansas Center. Bow limmer in round three. No, this is a different bow spelling. This is B-E-A-U-X. And our first bow of the show. Yes. And unfortunately, Bob Blade. Three bows here, three different spellings.

Bo Blade, the Maryland Safety, did not make the quacketotology. Oh, four, including me. There's also a Bo Brack from the. the P-H-N-X. Oh, I didn't know that. All right. Well, all right. So,

Bo Limmer, round three, Eric Watts, round five. Yes. I love Eric Watts. He, he's awesome.

He's, to me, like, he's going to go day two. He's a big body defensive end from, you know, from Yukon,

um, explosive, violent player, played detackle last year and then move to D-N this past season. And the production has been up and down, but the traits are outstanding. And I think that teams are going to say, like, this is a guy that at worst can be like a third round demon for us. Like, and we kind of move them around. There was that kind of, that kind of player is in high demand around the NFL, even as raw as he can be.

Because he's not a finished product as a rusher yet. I saw him put, who was the offensive tackle in one-on-ones? I mean, just he went bull rushed like long arm and just put him right to the, I mean, just completely put him into the dirt and got home. So I think Watts falling in round five would be surprising. So we're going to go with, we're going to go, Go Limmer, round three. All right. North Carolina linebacker,

Cedra Gray, who's flashed a little bit this week in round five. Round five. Or Florida State tight end, Jeheme Bell in round five. Ooh. I think Jeheme Bell could go earlier just because he's like a really athletic, explosive Swiss Army knife, undersized tight end. He's built more like a fullback, H-back type.

And he's got speed go down the seam. I mean, he's really explosive and was moved all around the formation. He got carries as a running back. He's been used as lead fullback. He is a definite Swiss Army knife type of player, but I think he could go earlier. Okay. Penn State Corner, Kalin King in round three. Georgia State linebacker John Trey Hunter in round five.

Hmm. All right. So Kalen King has been in first round mocks really since like his sophomore year. was a true freshman starter for Penn State. And he's gotten beaten up a little bit, I think, by the community, just in terms of this past season. And it wasn't his best year. He's gotten knocked.

He gave up some catches, some big plays to Marvin Harrison. He had a couple penalties this year. I would say, like, Marvin Harrison tends to do that to people. And so, you know, you don't want to knock guys too bad for losing to an elite talent. I do think Kaelin King is a good player. I think he's probably unlikely to go round one. But round three, I think would be. surprising to be still, even though he's got, he's gotten knocked a bit. So I will go away from

Kaelin King. We'll go with the other option here. John Troy Hunter in round five moves on. All right, Utah safety, Cole Bishop in round five or Kansas offensive lineman Dominic Pune, also in round five. I think more likely Pune in round five, just because of the depth of the offensive line class. I think in a typical year, he probably has a better chance to go in round three, round four. I thought Pune had a good day to day and talking with people that watched even more. They kind of agreed with that. sentiment. I think Bishop could go round three, round four. He's one of my favorite safeties here. I said that earlier. He's, I think, is one of those like do everything types,

like a pure like interchangeable player that just doesn't have like an A plus trait. He's not like super explosive. He's not super big. He's not super strong, right? But check all the boxes. He was a true junior captain, got guys lined up. It was kind of like the captain of that defense. So yeah, I like a cold bishop. I don't think he falls to round five. So I think we'll go with Tony here. All right. Last one of the first round. We close it out with a quarterback quarterback matchup,

Knicks and Knicks. Michael Peanix. Yep. In round two or Bo Nix in round two as well. Oh, okay. I was just to see if you're going to do round one for either. I think more likely Bo Nix round one, round two.

Pennix, the film can be really, really good at times. I just think that it's going to be tough for teams to get through the injury stuff. It was the first four years, I believe, of his career at Indiana, all ended in injury. He's been mostly health last two seasons for Washington, but even still, like, was banged up at times, you know, like in game. And like we saw that in the national title game against Michigan, right? So, you know, I think that that is going to be alarming for some. Bo Nix, if you had told me two years ago that we were going to be talking about Bo Nix as a second round pick. I would have said, you're crazy.

He doesn't look like a second round pick to me, just here. Yeah. Yeah, he's on film, he was extremely accurate, operated that offense extremely well. And I think a lot of people say, oh, there's the scheme, the scheme, the scheme. He's played for four different offense coordinators in the last four years and two in the last two at Oregon. So it hasn't just been, oh, yeah, like he went to Oregon in that system. He tore it up. Like they had to get a completely new play caller, a new system this past year.

And he continued that level of efficiency. I've got some of like the accuracy numbers and like adjusted completion percentage numbers on him and they are like through the roof like better than any quarterback we've seen. Isn't it like a tiny a dot? Isn't he just thrown checkdowns? A lot of screens. There's a lot of screens in the office, but even taking that stuff away, you still see that show up on third down. His adjusted completion percentage on third down extremely high and they're not throwing a lot of screens on third down in that offense. I think when you look at his body of work, you know, Denjur might have him in the top 15 with his

first mock. He had him go to the Saints, I believe, at 14. I think that would be a little surprising. But I could definitely see round two for bonecks. What do you know about a Jeff Halfley? I like a Jeff Halfley. He was Derell Revis's DB coach at Pitt. He just announced he's going to become the Packers defensive coordinator. Wow. Well, there you go. And you're going to see more of this with college coaches jumping in the NFL. It's just going to happen with the landscape right now. It's that's I like that. I like that higher for Greenback. Is he the one who replaced? He who shall not be named?

Yeah. Or was there somebody in between? I think there was somebody in between. Yes. There was somebody in between. F that guy. I'll let you say that. Halflead's a good coach.

Yeah, he's a good coach. Okay. All right. We're moving on to the second round. All right, here we go. This is, you know, this is a good time capsule. You know, if you don't know these guys, you can save this episode. You replay it in a couple months.

See how it all turned out. Okay. Chris Braswell, the Alabama Edge in round two, or Ryan Flournoy, the southeast Missouri wide receiver in round five. All right, we talked about both these guys already. I think it's more likely, I feel better about Braswell in round two than I do Flournoy in round five because he could go round six. I wouldn't be shocked. So I'm going to go Braswell round two. Okay.

Brandon Dorliss, the Oregon defensive lineman. You have a thing for Oregon defensive lineman that has become a thing in round three. or Tanner Bordellini in round five. I also have a, like, he is, he is my type. You know, I told you right away, like he reminds me of Milton Williams, and I loved Milton Williams coming out. He's just extremely disruptive, man. Like, he's so fast off the ball.

He came in an under 280, which I was surprised. I thought he'd lean more into, like, let me add weight and, you know, make sure that I'm a true detackle. We'll see what he comes in next month in Indianapolis, but I'll go doorless round three over Borderlini, round five. Okay. Brevin Spanford, the Minnesota tight end in round five, or

Keaton Oladopo, the Oregon state safety also in round five. I'm going to go Brevin Spanford, round five. I think as a pure, like, blocking tight end, not offering a ton of a pass catcher. I think that profile fits a 60 or senior. You know, could have come out last year. We're going to surprise some people going back.

I'm going to go Spanford, round five. Okay. Tavondre Sweat, the Texas defensive tackle in round two, or Javon Bullard, the Georgia safety in round two. Sweat has gotten some round one buzz. I don't think he's as good a prospect as Jordan Davis was. Obviously, a big part of Jordan Davis's profile was that, you know,

he went to the combine and just completely, you know, shattered everything as a guy for guy that size. I don't know that sweat's going to do that. How does he compare it to like a Travis Jones? I think Jones was even more nimble. Interesting. Now, sweat. I mean, he, the first day was a little rough, a little bit of a feeling out period.

Today I thought he was really good. He had some really good reps today. For a guy that big, he plays really low to the ground, and that showed up today. He is really strong. He won the Outland Trophy this year. I mean, he was one of the best players in college football. I'll go with him round two.

Okay. Next up. Help me on Fugas first. Talese, I believe. Tilesi, I believe. Tolis. Like Kolee. Yes, correct.

Not like gay Tilesa. Okay. Tilisi Fugga in round one. Oh, you know what? It is Tilesi, I believe. Talisa Fawaga. Tulsa. Tulsa.

Tulsa. Tulsa. Tulsa. Okay. Talisa. Talisa. Tulsa in round one or Ben Sinit in round five, the Kansas State tight end. Fulaga, round one.

It's easy. Yeah, Fulaga round one. You know, messing around there. I think Fawaga, round one's a lot. Okay. As we move on, we'll get a little bit more. Yeah, we'll narrow it down focus.

Yep. Western Michigan Edge, Marshawn Neeland in round five or USC wide receiver Brendan Rice in round five. Good one. I want to say, I'll say Neeland round five because Rice I can see people

talk themselves into Jerry Wright You could definitely see that you know where Brendan Rice climbs up and he goes a little bit earlier than expected and look I could also see like there are guys with that profile that's a surprise and go later than expected too so I'll go kneel in round five

DeWain Carter the Duke defensive tackle in round three or it's never risky if it's fiscay in round three as well defensive tackled matchup very interesting one because both guys i think are kind of your prototypical three technique players um and have some limitations i think fiscay is more athletic i think carter's got the more traditional body type uh both are going to be fine from an intangible standpoint um both are pretty clean from a medical standpoint this is this is a this is a coin flip um let's let's let's work this out from an eagle's perspective then this one who who is a skill set that the Eagles do not have more.

They're both so similar is the thing. I would say, man, I would say Carter is probably more, just because I think the length for Fisky, I mean, he's got 31-inch arms. I have the numbers available, but for the sake of time, I'm not going to go look them up.

That's like sub-10th percentile of arm length for grafted detackles. It's extremely low arm. So I would say, let's go Carter here for that sake. Okay, here's a fun one that I can, take because it's a matchup of round one offensive lineman tyler guyton and jackson powers johnson both guys who you know every expectation will be a first round pick yep i cannot imagine them using a first round pick on an interior offensive lineman at this stage in the game i mean unless unless they're

penciling in tyler steen as a right tackle moving forward which would be a surprise whereas tyler guyton feels like exactly the kind of player that they would be interested in as a get him in stoutland you develop him and he's got the tools to literally be the next land johnson from what you've seen this week who do you like more well you know part of it is because they just haven't been as much of that afternoon those afternoon practices um i mean gutton looks to me more like a a 22 overall worthy pick whereas powers johnson looks really good but am i using that early of a pick on an interior offensive line i'm probably not i made this point I'm going to pull a Zach here.

I tweeted last night that the NFL let Creed Humphrey fall to the second round. And I was shocked by that. I thought that Creed Humphrey was a first round pick all day long just because he checked all the boxes. And I didn't think that teams would repeat that. Now, that said, Creed Humphrey was like a four-year starter for Oklahoma. Jackson, Jackson, just one-year starter at Oregon. So will that small sample- Which is interesting for an interior offensive lineman.

Yeah. Yeah, that's important. If you're going to be the center, like calling the shots. Now, that said, like he has also played right. guard here at times and has been really good there too. So, you know, if you might not view him as a center, maybe you view him as a guard at 3.34, like I don't think he's got a body type that says always center only. Yeah, that's, that's going to be an interesting one.

Okay. Patrick Paul in round three, the Houston long-armed offensive lineman or Michael Pratt, the two-end quarterback in round five. Ooh. This is a good one. I think Pratt may be more likely round five. Just because Patrick Paul has gotten a non-year. enough round one buzz from like the the true influencers in the mock draft universe.

I will say that he is more likely to be in round two than crap to jump up. All right. Next up, we've got the B-Rabbit matchup. Luke McCaffrey against Roman Wilson, McAfee in round five, Roman Wilson and round two. I like Roman Wilson round two. Yeah, we talked about his skill set earlier. Yeah, yeah, let's go around the Wilson there. South Carolina wide receiver Xavier Leggett in round three.

or Penn State Edge, Adisa, Isaac in round three? I like Isaac in round three. Watching him, I was like, this guy is going to be like a late day two type of player. So that's right in line with that. Michael Hall, the flexible defensive lineman from Ohio State in round two, or Andrew Phillips, the Kentucky Corner in round five. I mentioned earlier to you today that I thought Hall is like the possible round one dark horse that we aren't talking about enough.

hasn't played a ton only a red shirt sophomore and was kind of a rotational start I think he only started like seven games this year he was kind of banged up a little bit 6-2-280 so built like a pure three technique or maybe even like a base end

kind of what we're talking about with doorless and then you turn on the film he's extremely violent against the run he's got outstanding power to push the pocket against the past we saw that honestly the only rep I've seen Jackson Powers Johnson lose all week so far through two days has been Michael Hall

pushing him back in the pocket. And Powers Johnson kind of anchored late. But that was the most I've seen anybody get inside the pads and move JPJ at all this week. So to me, I think you look at Michael Hall at that size to be as quick as he is, as explosive he is, as powerful as he is. It wouldn't shock me if he snuck into round one. But I think it's safe with the body of work and the overall sample size to say round two.

I am trying to like, you know, I fell in love with Perry on Winfrey here a couple years ago because he was just dominating practices like, exactly. exactly the kind of player that I like, you know, a penetrating defensive tackle. But it was like not what was on tape, right? He was a very hit or miss player. And it turned out that he was, you know, not ready for prime time in the NFL.

So I'm trying to be guarded against like the full flashes of a defensive lineman. But Michael Hall has looked looked pretty good to me. Yeah. I like a Michael Hall. I watched him last week for the first time. There was literally one of the, I probably watched him on like Wednesday or Tuesday or Wednesday and thought like, God, this guy is, he's got the goods.

I'm excited to see how he tests next week. I think the buzz could continue building for him. All right. You already said that Willie Drew, Drew Willie is going to be eliminated here. And he will be easily eliminated by Quinnion Mitchell in round one. Yes, round one. That's an easy one.

Kingsley, Sue Mataya, as a trade down in round one, or Bo Limmer, the Arkansas Center in round three. I really like Limer. He was actually the last player that I watched before coming down here. I watched him on Friday afternoon. I think he's a really good zone blocking center. He's played some guards. There's position flex there.

He's really tough. He's had a good week this week. He had one bad rep this week. Today against Tavondre Sweat, we talked about earlier. But, yeah, I don't think I don't think I can advance limer here. Yeah, let's move on. Okay. Cedric Gray, the UNC linebacker in round five, or John Trey Hunter, the Georgia State linebacker in round five?

A little round five linebacker matchup. Yeah, I think Henry special. Yeah, I think Hunter more likely to fall further than that. So I'm going to go with Cedric Gray here. All right. We close out in round two with Dominic Pune in round five or Bo Nixon round two. The Eagles are not drafting Bo Nix in round two. Yeah, but you know me.

I'm taking it from like league. I know you are, but I can step in. I think Nixon round two seems more likely. I think Nixon for a team, yeah. For a team. For a team. Okay. All right, sweet 16 time.

I'll help you on next one. He'll go out the next round. Chris Braswell in round two or Brandon Dorliss in round three. I would say, I mean, a round two edge from Alabama feels pretty down the middle for the Eagles. Whereas around three, like, is Doris going to be there at the end of round three? Comp pick wise. I would lean Braswell, but you could convince me otherwise. Yeah.

And I think that doorless, like, doorless went 35th. Like, that wouldn't shock me. Whereas I think Braswell, that's right on the fairway, him in the second round. Okay. Brevin Spanford, the blocking tight end from Minnesota in round five or Tavondry Sweat in round two. I would say, like, are you using a round two pick after you just used a first round pick on Jalen Carter and a first round pick on Jordan Davis? Probably not, but that's how they build things. Whereas I don't, I think I'm going to use a fifth round pick in a blocking tight end in Brevin Spanford.

They do need a depth there. Yep. I do think overall, it goes back to the Bo next thing from like a minute ago. I think Tavondre sweat in round two is much more likely, just like in terms of range of outcomes. Like Spanford, like could go in the seventh round. Sure. Sure. Or third or fourth round.

Like, I think that sweat in round two just makes more sense. We're talking like pure player value. Okay. Talisa Simpson, Lisa Fuwaga in round one. Or Marshawn Neeland in round five. Now, if we're just doing down the middle, of course. Fuwaka's going to go in round one, it feels like. Yes.

And he goes, I mean, Dan Jeremiah had him in the top. I think he had him fourth overall. If I remember, he had him as the first or second tackle off the board. I don't know that he's going to go that high. But, you know, and like I know Mel Kuiper had him high in his mock draft.

Yeah, I think you've got to go Fawaga round one. And we'll narrow down. We'll specify as we get a little bit. Okay. I think we could do the same thing here with Dwayne Carter in round three against Tyler Guyton in round one. Feel good about that?

Guyton's going round one. Moving on. Okay. Because I know the first time we did this, it wasn't like a lot of first round players that we were necessarily talking about. So this year, although the first time we did it, I believe Garrett Bradbury in round three,

one, and then he went in the first round or something like that. Right. So it's right. Okay. Michael Pratt, the two-lane quarterback in round five, or Roman Wilson,

the Michigan wide receiver in round two. Hmm. I think the same thing on the variance here probably, right? Yeah, probably. I don't think it's like a lot that Roman Wilson goes around two. I think he's kind of danced his way to this point, but I think he's going to advance. Okay.

Adisa Isaac, the Penn State Edge in round three, or Michael Hall, the Ohio State defensive alignment in round two. Michael Hall, moving on. Okay. Quinion Mitchell in round one, or Kingsley-Sua-Metea as a round one trade-down. Oh, but on the trade-down. All right, so that's,

like it wouldn't surprise me of a team moved up for a Kingsley. So I'm going to tell you a 21 year old tackle with those traits. He was like top three. Now at this point, we're basically saying he's going to go after 23. Right. Or Mitchell goes around 22 to a team picking at 22. Right, right. This is tough.

Let's talk with position depth, right? Position scarcity. Quinn on Mitchell, potentially, potentially. the first or second corner off the board, Kingsley, Suoamatea, you know, anywhere from the third to the seven, or six or seven tackle off the board. And so if you're talking pure numbers, you feel like Mitchell probably has the better chance to go early. Is the senior Toledo corner going to go ahead of the 21-year-old BYU, Penny Sewell's cousin offensive tackle? This is a tough one. I will take this one from the Eagles perspective. I like Quinnette.

Mitchell. I think he's I think he's awesome from what I've seen. He's been awesome. But I would be surprised if given his history, Harry Roseman uses a first round pick on a senior corner from a smaller school. From the Mac. Yep. So I will move on with Sue of Matea. And then finally in the Sweet 16, Cedra Gray, the UNC linebacker in round five or Bo Nix in round two. They're not taking Bo Nix in round two. So Cedric Ray. Sedra Gray makes it to the elite eight. Wow. All right. I told you, I told you I would do the favor of Bonix not making it. So we're going to go to Cedricet Grey.

Okay. Chris Braswell round two or Devondre sweat round two. I will take this one as well. If they're using a second round pick on a defensive lineman, I just think it's so much more likely to be an edge than an interior player. And even like team agnostic from my point of view, like I would say it's more likely Braswell went in round two than sweat. I could say like, you know, a team could fall in love with a Devondry sweat,

especially with all the accolades this year, you know, because the film was good. And that can be a skill set that's hard to find. If he goes and he shocks the combine, like he could go 28th overall. And that wouldn't be surprising. Okay. Now, this one is very fun. Okay. And you can, you, you don't have to be about the Eagles, but you know Stoutland's preferences.

He's looking for outliers. We've got a head-to-head to Lisa Fuaga versus Tyler Guyton, round one. You don't have to say who you think would be the pick, but who is a, who is more, in the style of a Stoutland type player. Yeah, I mean, we've heard Jeff Stalens say, like he looked at the, the unusual, right? Yeah, the guys that have those unique traits. And I think that Tyler Geithen has the traits are there more so with him than with Fugga. Fugga is a better player right now.

Like, you got to play tomorrow, you want Fugga. You want to play, you know, who's the better tackle three years from now? You're probably having a different discussion. And you could argue either way in that discussion, by the way. Yeah, me personally, based off my purely my evaluation too, I would have Guyton personally. So I'm going to go Biden. He would be higher on your board. Yes.

Okay. All right. Roman Wilson, round two or Michael Hall round two? I got to go Michael Hall round two. And again, I think there was a chance that he could go one, but I think it's a better chance that he would be round two guy. Okay. And then Suea Matea, round one trade. down or Cedric Gray round five. I think we got to go to him. Let's move Kingsley on and we'll

save that discussion for another day. Okay. Final four. Congratulations to all the participants. Chris Braswell, round two, the Alabama Edge or Tyler Guyton, round one. I think you go with the variants of Braswell. Like he could, he's the kind of athlete that could tear it up next month in Indy and could climb his way into round one. So let's go with Kingsley moving on. All right. No, Guyton. This is Guyton. And then the other side is Michael Hall round two against Sue Metaia. Man, 23 to 32. I think Kingsley is a round one guy.

I know that he's not universal. By the way, like, he's not universally seen that way. He was not in Jeremiah's top 50s. That's what I mean. He is not universally seen that way. So this could just be me, you know, being crazy. But I'm going to go Kingsley round one over Michael Hall round two. Well, that would lead us to believe that we've got a head-to-head,

Tyler Guyton, Kingsley, Sue and Matea. It feels to me like this is Tyler Guyton, does he make it to 22 overall? Is he too talented? That is the question. To be a sit there at 22 and take him or does he rise too much and Suea Matea becomes more likely because at 22, you don't have a ton of mid-round volume. You can add some picks. You move down four spots and take him instead. for the for the record danio jeremiah did his first round mock draft last week his first one uh the pick for

the eagles at 22 was tyler guyton uh and as you mentioned uh kingsley was not uh in that mock draft and he you said he was not in the top 50 that came i don't believe he was in the top 50 yeah i would right now i would if i had if i had uh you were saying an over under at 21 and a half for where tyler gotton goes i would bet on him going sooner than that yeah i think just because of the traits. But if he's there, boy, does that feel like an Eagles pick. Now, are we sticking with the Kingsley trade down? Yes.

So is Guyton more likely to be there than Kingsley trade down? This is what we get paid the big bucks for. This is what it's all about. This is the championship. This is why these two teams have made it this far. The good thing is that if we, whatever we decide on here, we could just get into a time machine and come back and change what would you use the time machine for a friend i'd probably like change some uh change some

opinions on some players coming out maybe like a quarterback from texas tech or uh you know like uh or a nathan peterman what's that yeah there's a long list of uh of ones that would change um here's my take yeah i think somebody was did i say this on the show or just in conversation with somebody uh i think it was robert maize who tweeted that like uh the patrick mahomes pick like is like the second best draft pick in NFL history. Right. I'm assuming he's thinking Tom Brady. I think it's a much better pick than Tom Brady.

I mean, yeah, like value-wise, but if you think he's Tom Brady, you don't wait until round six, obviously. Unless you're Bill Pollan and then you passed on him a bunch of times. I think having the Cajonnes to trade up for Patrick Mahomes and believe in your evaluation, yes. I think that's the best pick in NFL history. Yeah, I would agree.

I would agree with that. It doesn't help me with this. It's like saying like the Eagles, Jason Kelsey pick. Great pick, but lucky. Sure. I would say that like Lane was a better pick. Or Fletcher Cox was a better pick. Right.

Right. Yeah, there's a difference between like best pick and like most valuable pick. Yes. You're getting the best value. All right. I feel like Geyton's probably the chalk answer, right? Because I think that if you're looking at Kingsley, there's the variance of opinions on it

and it's not just a oh he's not in Daniel Jeremiah's top 50 I know there are others that say like oh like you know friend you're you're really high on Kingsley like I am so let's and while I do think like he's

going to go first round when it's all said and done just because of the traits in the profile I think Guyton is the more sure fire lock for the first round so let's go with let's go with Guyton not Jalen

in the great tradition of Garrett Bradbury and I can't remember remember who it was. I can't remember who the second one was either. We congratulate Tyler Guyton on winning the quacketology. I don't believe that we have ever had a senior ball quacketology winner end up being an Eagles pick. But we'll see if Tyler Guyton or Jalen or AJ Guyton can, you know, buck the trip. What is behind you? Good question. It does look like my hair. Right. Yeah, I've talked to.

throughout the show. I have no idea. Like a Dr. Seuss character? Yeah. Look like you're from Whoville. Nice of a plant. Yeah. So there you go.

Well, thank you, Fran. What a delight. What a pleasure. Yeah, it was always fun. And look, it's one of the best weeks of the year. I love coming to the Senior Bowl. You know, obviously it's for good reason that we weren't out here last year with the Eagles going to the Super Bowl. So I missed two in the last 11 years.

years, 12 years. Julia, nicely done a feather in the cap. Fantastic. Very, very good. No, it's a great week. So we got one more practice tomorrow on Thursday, flying back home on Friday. And, yeah, getting ready for Indianapolis. Boy, will your arms be tired?

Yeah, well, maybe I'll stop by your Airbnb and pick up some of those feathers. Exactly. All right. Fran Duffy, where can everybody read you, watch you, listen to you, smell you? The Eagle on the Sky podcast. that's where we've been doing, obviously, all Eagles talk, but then also all of our draft conversations. We'll be doing that over on the Eagle Eye in the Sky podcast.

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