PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | The Philadelphia Eagles’ NFL Draft dress rehearsal: Final Mock Drafts & more

Episode Date: April 24, 2024

One more night to go before the Eagles’ are finally on the board to find their right tackle of the future, cornerback of the present or Brock Bowers of forever. It’s time to go on the record with how we expect the first round to play out and the rest of the Eagles’ picks after that. Zach Berman and Bo Wulf get the predictions off their prodigious chests and settle in for the long, exciting weekend ahead. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

My Eagles podcast presented by Butcherbox. Butcherbox is offering our listeners an amazing offer where new users can get free meat plus $2.0. That's $20 off. That's $20 off your first box. Join today using our link, Butcherbox.com slash P.H.O.I and use code P.H.O.I to receive this exclusive offer today before time runs out. Bo Wolf. Zach Berman here, one more day before the start. start of the NFL draft. How you feeling, Zach? I'm excited. I'm excited. excited for the show, excited for tomorrow, excited for the weekend. Wow. Shots fired on Friday. Not excited for Friday. No, Friday's part of the weekend. I mean, the overall draft, this has been a few months

of thinking and planning and discussing and ruminating and now it's here, right? And so it's almost here, 24 hours out. So excited. excited excited we've got a fun show today you and I are going to bounce back and forth going through the first 21 picks in this draft to sort of mock out how things might play for the Eagles because I always I always envisioned or dreamed of being a GM right and so this is it this is this is like you have a chance to be 11 of them yeah I kind of want to give the post pick press conferences too but we won't do that happen if you want yeah we got a lot to get to we can probably do that on uh Saturday probably so we will enough time uh we will enough time uh we'll

We will also go through on the record, our predictions for the Eagles picks over the course of the weekend. I'm having a hard time with my third rounder. I've gone back and forth and back and forth and back and forth. And forth and back. Or in fourth and back. Okay. Before we get to the proceedings, Zach, some rumors out there about the Eagles. Want to get your thoughts on that.

Also, some tangible news yesterday, roster-wise, for the Eagles getting good news on their favorite gambler. Isaiah Rogers. Was that two days ago? Was that yesterday? That was yesterday. Sorry, it's all kind of coming in together. Yes. Is it Isaiah Rogers or is it Roger Isaiah?

It's Isaiah Rogers. Isaiah Rogers has been reinstated by the NFL. He's able to join the team immediately for team activities. I don't anticipate this at all affecting the Eagles draft plans, but what it does is it's one less thing that's not known. It gives you clarity on his situation. This was the outcome they expected. Solid player.

He hasn't played in a year. They'll see what he looks like. spring. I imagine he's going to have a rookie draft pick as a teammate, but yes, that was news that came out yesterday. He is a source of fascination for Eagles fans because he's this guy, the Eagles have stashed away, and he has a track record of having played well in the NFL. I do think that, like, expectations should be tempered a little bit. How many turkeys would you put on him even being on the 53 men roster? I would say 63. What were you saying? I would think, like, 50s. He is absolutely not guaranteed of a spot on the team.

And as you said, certainly not changing their draft plans in any tangible way. It's human psychology. Everyone loves door number three, right? So what you haven't seen, what you don't know, can be enticing sometimes, right? And so I think that's what it is. Interesting. I don't know if I don't interpret that in any way. I just mean.

Wandering eyes, it sounds like. Never. Eyes do not wander. The only wandering eyes is for another wide receiver in the third round. Okay. But, no, are you a door number three person? Right. I don't know.

It depends on the situation. If you're doing the game show, do you want to see what's behind door number three? Do you take A or B, or do you want what's behind door? Well, there's the classic thing where if they offer, they take one off the table, and then they offer you the re-chews. You've got to take the re-chews. Exactly. You've taken your odds from a third to 50-50.

Yeah, that was in the movie when they went to V8. It was based on the book, the Ben Medsrich book on Blackjack. Do you remember that? Yes, it was in the movie 21. That was what they did in the scene. It was the Monty Hall problem, as I believe what it's called. Yeah. Good memory.

Just a thing. I remember seeing that at the Carousel Mall movie theater in Syracuse. I was very excited. I read the book. I read the book in high school. Did you have an online poker face? No, I did not have an online poker face. No, I'm surprised.

I was a blackjack guy. We had a lunchtime blackjack game that got broken up after a few weeks. Who got to be the house? Well, the house had the advantage, right? Well, yeah, so were you the house? I was for a period of time. It was pretty advantageous. I would imagine so, yeah.

That's different than just playing poker with them. fellas. Yeah. Somebody's, somebody's, you know, making money in that setup. Exactly. Exactly. Yes. There you go. Good job by Zach. The other thing, as, as, you know, you like to poo-poo the, Howard Rosam is looking to move up, move down. But what do you make of the, there are sort of conflicting rumors, some that the Eagles are looking to move up for a corner. They're enamored with Quinnian Mitchell, or they're looking up to try to find a wide receiver, or even Brock Bowers, according to ESPN, and, you know, Daniel Jeremiah is saying,

everybody's moving up for a tackle. What do you make of this whole situation? Yeah, so I, look, Diana's an outstanding reporter. Diana Rossini from the Athletic. She's the one who said cornerback. You've seen that elsewhere. I think Tony Pauline said, friend of the show, Tony Pauline, said,

Coyne on Mitchell is the target, right? I still think. Who had the Cam Juergens selection now two years ago? I think the Eagles are trying to trade. up. I don't think the Eagles are going to draft at 22. I saw Deion Jeremiah was on with NBC Sports Philly. And he said like 75% move up, 25% move back, 0% draft at 22. He's playing the Turkey's game. He's playing the Turkey's game. Yes. We should put that in. We should put that just that one answer, which we have. Let's put

in Jeremiah on that. I don't, I think the Eagles are going to try to trade up. I think the target's going to be an offensive tackle, an offensive lineman. I don't think it's going to be a cornerback. Again, I've said this before, and I could be wrong, and maybe they view Mitchell and Arnold as so superior to the player they would get at 22. I think that they would be more likely to trade up for an offensive lineman. I do think there's a drop-off at offensive lineman, and when those go quickly, the equals could be left out of that in a historic class. that is my suspicion. I saw Dan Graziano from ESPN say that there's some speculation that they're trading up for a wide receiver. That would surprise me. Or a Brock Bowers. It would definitely surprise me

if they trade up for Brock Bowers. I think the only way they would trade up for a wide receiver is if one of those top three fell somehow and they viewed those as like, you know, blue, top, top, top, you know, top five players, right? Let's say five quarterbacks go. earlier, four quarterbacks go early, and somehow Roma Dunzei or Malik neighbors or Marvin Harrison Jr. fell. I don't see that happening, but I don't think the Eagles are trading up for a wide receiver. I think the Eagles could trade up for a corner, but that's not what I'm expecting. I'm expecting the Eagles to trade up for an offensive lineman. When we get to our seven-round mock draft, I will tell you the offensive lineman I think they're going to trade up for, but I think they're

going to trade up for an offensive lineman. I think so too. And we have talked around this for a while, but this is where we entered this process, you know, a couple months ago, just thinking about what the Eagles value. And I keep coming back to it. And like I felt like I just had some clarity about it last night. Like, you know, this is where the elite tackles come from. The hit rate of the position is higher at tackle. The league does a better job evaluating the position than it does at corner.

It is the position that the Eagles care about more from a foundational building the Monster perspective. And I'm sure that they would love a corner, but, you know, it is so much easier to find a starting caliber corner after the draft than it is a tackle. You are not going to find a starting caliber tackle after the draft. When they went to the Super Bowl, they traded for Ronald Darby. When they went to the Super Bowl five years later, they signed James Bradbury after the draft. They traded for Derry Slay.

Right. Like those guys are available. and if the draft does not play out, like they get a corner they love in the second round. And I mean, it is possible. But I just think that, like, we have a long history of what Harry Roseman values, for him to trade up for a corner with a J.C. Latham,

a Marius Mims type on the board, would be a reordering of his, the things that he has cared about for a decade. Yes. And really, you talk about, for instance, when they signed Milata, we talked about the succession that they had from Trey Thomas to Jason Peters to Jordan Milata. On the right side, too, like the Eagles made John Runyon the highest paid right tackle in football or the highest paid offense tackle in football when they signed him to play right tackle.

And he played there. They had their plan was actually to move Sean Andrews over to right tackle. There were a lot of things that went on that that didn't occur. But this is like this is a core franchise belief is to have, is not to leave these two positions up to chance ever, right? And cornerback, they're more willing to do it. And you did, you said something various, while you say astute things often, but you said something very.

But the two of us say a lot of things over the course of time. But you said a very astute thing recently that I was actually thinking about on the drive home that day where you said like, Yeah, they've been interested in corners before, but they haven't taken them, right? And that's like they were interested in trading up for Stingley or they were interested in trading up. And I think that's a different tier of player. But also, but my point is, is they ultimately didn't make those moves. They've traded up for, you know, players on the lines of scrimmage.

They made sure of that. Like this is the way that they traded a first round pick for Jason Peters. they this is the way they operate is that they will make sure they get the guy they like at that position whereas to what you're saying about cornerback they've been willing to go with door number three so to speak at cornerback they're never willing to go with door number three at offensive tackle they want to know that what their offensive lines are going to look like and that's been and by the way that's like even for these interior spots often outside of the chip kelly years they've made they've never really gone into a year I suppose

they had the Isaac Saint-Malu year at Left Guard, but they want to have those spots solidified. Yes. And that's what I expect them to do this in the first round. I also think it is about, from Howie Roseman's perspective, like adding building block players, right? Foundational players, elite players. And that's why they would have been.

And I like the Derek Stingley, Sauce Gardner, Patrick Sertan group, those guys, I think the fact that they didn't get them, I don't think is huge signal in those cases because they would have taken those guys. But they were foundational players to them. And I think that's part of why Harry Roseman moves up a lot, even when he's at, you know, 15, because he's trying to find the players who you can't get who aren't going to ever hit the open market. 100%. 100%.

And in this class, in this draft, the chance to get those guys when you're at 22 is to move up and get a tackle who in another year might be. the seventh player off the board or something like that. I really, really, really like Terry and Arnold. I think he's going to be awesome. I think he's bordering on that level, but it doesn't seem like the league views him that way. Coenion and Mitchell, there are a few other just sort of questions about the profile. And just the history of corners in the first round,

even like beyond pick number 10, it's just okay. Yeah. And I just don't believe at the end of the day that that's the decision that Harry Rosam is going to make. I agree with you. I see in the chat here any chance of trading 22 for Sartan. Bo's best case mock draft had that. I'll say this.

If Patrick Chartan is available, then I think the Eagles would be very aggressive in trying to go after him with draft picks, with a major contract. That's like Patrick Stratan's 23 years old. Yes. Right? And they would absolutely give up 22. I think Darius Slay said he's the best corner in the league, right? he's played for your defensive coordinator he's he's played with your foundation like

that is the that's like the trade that's the Jason Peters trade from a few years ago that's the AJ Brown trade from a few years ago that's where they say it's a clear fluid chip player to your point I don't know if you say Terry and Arnold or Quinnia Mitchell

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To learn more to find a branch near you, that's trumark.com slash phtly, federal insured by the N-C-U-A. All right, Zach, let's get to business. Let's do it. You're going to have the odds. Yep. I'm going to have the evens. We're going to talk things through here.

Maybe there will be some trades involved. I was thinking that for this exercise, we wouldn't have the Eagles move up, but we would just talk through when they would. They would move up, and then we can just talk about what they would do at 22. I was going to answer. So I have number one, the Chicago Bears here by way of the Carolina Panthers. And I got to say, you know, talking to scouts, talking to coaches, talking to GMs. They're saying, Caleb Williams, that's what I'm hearing.

That's the buzz here. Okay. Yeah, Caleb Williams, number one pick, the Chicago Bears. Pretty self-explanatory here, best quarterback in the draft. Ryan Post did a good job here because. A lot of the league sort of slept on Caleb Williams because he had to play in those late-night West Coast games. Ryan Poles was grinding that late-night tape.

And so he noticed this guy, Caleb Williams. There's, you know, if you want to find the Scouts' criticism of him, it's that he, you hear Scouts say that he paints his nails or that he cried after a game. And so, but no, Caleb Williams is an awesome player. I like a few of the quarterbacks in this draft, but yeah, Caleb Williams is, he's going to be really good, and he goes to Chicago Bears, number one.

Okay, I want to talk about this picket number two for a second, because it seems that everybody is coalescing towards this is going to be Jane Daniels. I'm not so sure. Okay. You know, this is Adam Peters first draft. You get a chance as a first-time general manager to, like, play coy a little bit. You don't know necessarily who's talking in your building. this is probably a tight circle, right?

And objectively, the choice to go with Jane Daniels over Drake May strikes me is kind of, kind of ballsy. Why? It took him a much longer time to break out. But he's there. But he's there, but he's also, you know, he is slight. Yep. That's true. Drake May has been a, you know, projected as a top two quarterback for a very long time.

Fair. He had a slight step back last year. But I think he profiled. as a better prospect than Jane Daniels? Good golfer. Okay. Do you understand the reference? They went to top golf?

He played well. I understand the reference. Sorry. I thought you'd sell that one. I thought that he was actually not of the best golfers there. I thought May and McCarthy played well. May was hitting him straight. McCarthy had some good shots.

Yeah, and then there was another player who was even better, I think, a non-quarterback. Oh, is that right? Okay. What would take anyway? I kind of think that this might be Drake May. Interesting. But.

Okay. So, Shephti, you're going against what Shepter says. You're going against what Breer says. You're going against what Schrager says. I mean, Shepty got something wrong yesterday. You were the one who calling him out yesterday. You're saying, listen, you can't even hold my jock as a journalist. I'm Zach Berman.

I never would ever. I think you flipped a bird at the camera. I wouldn't do that. Was that a different show? No, I did not. I would not talk to spare. originally about Adam ever. I just, I just, I think that this is possible.

I, I'll go Jayne Daniels for the purposes of this exercise. Okay. But now you're on the record if they take May that you called it. Yeah. Absolutely. Okay. All right. I'm just, I'm just, I'm calling, I'm sniffing this out a little bit.

It feels, it feels too easy. Yeah. Okay. Fair enough. So if, if Drake May had gone to, then the Las Vegas Raiders are calling the page Patriots aggressively and trying to get to this number three pick because you hear the stories that Daniels wants to play for the Raiders. Antonio Pierce recruited him to Arizona State, right? There's the connection there.

Excuse me. It's a touching story, but I don't know that it needs to be, you know. What? I said it's a touching story, but I don't know that it gets you that much. The Minnesota Vikings are clearly eyeing a quarterback. Okay, they made that trade with Houston. They have two first-round picks. Kirk Cousins is out the door.

I think the player that the Vikings want is Drake May. That is what you see reports linked to it. This goes back even when they hire Josh McCown. Josh McCown was Drake May's quarterback's coach, or was Drake May's coach at Myers Park High School in North Carolina. I think Drake May kind of fits what Kevin O'Connor would be looking for there. I could see the- A white guy?

No, why? Why do you? Well, I don't know. Because J.J. McCorm. Just asking. I mean, in terms of like the size. Okay. Nothing to do with race at all.

I'm honestly curious. Yeah, I mean, just, I meant the size of the quarterback. Okay. Yeah, the size, the playing style. Yeah, Drake Mae. Do you remember Drake Mae's brother, Luke? Yes, I do. Hit that big shot against Kentucky.

Yeah, good athletic family, the maze. Willie? No. No. Anyways, I would have the Vikings trying to, I have the Vikings trading up the three here. What would it take to trade up to three? 11, okay? 23.

Next year's first. Is that enough to get from 11 to 3? I think, because, and the reason I say is. Why is New England letting a quarterback go? Well, because I think the court, so this is the thing. I think if the Patriots stay here, I think the quarterback they takes J.J. McCarthy. McCarthy. Really? Yeah.

Do you think they would take McCarthy over May? I do. Why? I just want to buzz in them. Oh, okay. What is your honest opinion of J.J. McCarthy, having watched so much Michigan football? I don't think quarterback wins as a stat. But I think that J.J. McCarthy made winning plays.

Like, when they needed a play, he made it. He fit within the function of the, he functioned within the, offense. I think there's a lot of... In like a Ken Dorsey, Craig Crenzel type of way? No, no. Like he can make plays on the run. I would like to have seen him throw the ball more.

But that was kind of what the Michigan offense was. I think McCarthy has a lot of talent. I don't know. I would take Drake May over, J.J. McCarthy. I like Drake May. I like Drake May more than his being... I would take May second. Yeah.

I mean, Jaden Daniels is electric, but Drake May, to your points, 21 years old. Drake May was really good two years ago. They lost their offensive coordinator to Wisconsin, Philolongo. I thought he was good last year, too. He didn't have the same type of talent. Tess Walker wasn't there until the middle of the year. I think that Drake May has kind of been brought down for reasons I don't quite understand. I think Drake May is a good quarterback.

but so can I have that's your that's your evaluation of J.J. McCarthy. No, I just want to know like do you like many more than McCarthy? You watched so much Michigan football. Yeah. Do you think J.J. McCarthy is worth like the three or four overall pick? I think quarterbacks get pushed up the board. I think if J.J. McCarthy. I find it kind of wild.

I think he's, I think he's, I think he has tools and he's young. And he and he's won a lot of games. And I think the intangibles, you know, the intangibles. What you hear are like off the charts in terms of he was the leader of that offense. He's won everywhere he's been. You know, high school. He transfers IMG. He wins there.

He gets the Michigan job. They win in ways they had never won before. Like they beat Ohio State once he gets there, right? So, yeah, I think there's a lot to like with J.J. McCarthy. But I think you have to have a good plan of coaching him. And I think you have to be patient. Okay. Can I have the Vikings trading up here?

Like, would that trade be sufficient? Yeah, that's fine. Okay. So then the Vikings trip to the Patriots. And in this spot here, I have Drake May going to the Vikings. Okay. Arizona on the board now, Montaasonfort, that bastion of personality is making the phone calls,

looking for somebody to come down if they want Drake, or if they want J.J.M. McCarthy. Obviously, it would make a lot of sense for him to stay and take Marvin Harrison Jr., but can he do the move down, move back up type deal that he did last year? For now, I'm going to stay with Marvin Harrison Jr. You know, this is a put it in the fairway, potential elite superstar wide receiver. No reason to get cute. Okay, yeah, I mean, you don't have to sell me on Marvin Harrison Jr.

He, to me, is the best receiver in the draft. I know you're Malik Neighbors guy, but I love Marvin Harrison Jr. I've watched him since he was at St. Joseph's prep. A Philly guy, got to love that. He's got everything. I think there was a part of him last year. Just like get to the NFL and he's still dominated. And with, so in this situation, by the way, now that the Cardinals took Marvin Harrison, Jr.

I know I'm kind of being aggressive here in the trades. I have the Patriots trading back up the five. Really? Okay. They get J.J. McCarthy. So now the Chargers. So what are they giving up? Well, so that's what we workshop here.

Okay. So they have two. first rounders now they have another first rounder next year right um so they're giving up uh 11 and their second round pick and one of the first next year uh and one of their first next year so they basically they moved down two spots they added 23 they moved up from the second to the to 23 by doing that yeah that feels like enough okay uh sure i i i'd have to go through the chart but now get J.J. McCarthy and the Chargers

because I would have had the Chargers taking Joe Alt here. Interesting. But because of the tight and I think that there's some offensive tackles, offensive linemen that the Chargers can get moving down to 11. And so they're doing that calculation. Do you think

that the Giants were interested here in moving up for one of the quarterback? I think they're in. So again, I'm deferring here to the expert to the national reporters who are on this too are tight on this and they say Drake May is the target not J.J. McCarthy. So maybe the Patriots would move the, or I'm sorry, the Patriots moved down from three to six. Maybe that with the Giants could be that that could be the play. But I think

the move here for the, I don't think J.J. McCarthy is the guy for the Giants. I think Drake May is the guy for the Giants. Okay. Giants on the board now. I'm going to again keep this one down the middle. And if you mentioned it, if I am an Eagles fan, this is the one guy who I really do not want to see, go to the Giants, and that is Malik Neighbors. I think he's just freaking awesome. And Daniel Jones stinks,

but even he can get the ball to Malik Neighbors and make things dangerous. Okay, yeah, that's the last time the Giants took on a wide receiver from LSU in the first round. It worked out really well. Chip was very high on him, remember. Yes, he loved the hotel.

He saw that coming. Of course. So this is great for me because this has actually gone exactly as my mock draft has gone probably because I have the odds. And I've been able to kind of finaglet the way I want. And you've been a willing partner here. Always. So now the Titans go with Joe Alt, the top offense alignment. This is, this makes sense for the Titans.

If Joe Alt was off the board, I think it's a little more difficult for the Titans there. Do you go JC lay them that high? that's someone that they've been linked to. Do you go with a wide receiver after they just paid Ridley all that money? You can use more than one receiver, of course. It sounds like they're going to trade Traylon Burks or Traylin Berks is not a part of what they're doing there. They could go Dallas Turner. But I think with Joe Alt here, it's kind of a no-brainer.

Okay, let me ask you this. Atlanta on the board now, Roma Dunzee sort of sticking out as the last of this top tier, who do you think might be willing to move up for Roma Dunzee if the Falcons want to move down? Now, Chicago could take him at nine. The Jets, potentially, you could talk yourself into. The chargers who are now at 11 after the trade-down you could talk yourselves into. Feels like any of those three. And then further than that, Indianapolis is the one you hear a little bit of chatter

about potentially being willing to move up for a very high caliber wide receiver. Yeah, Indianapolis, maybe Jacksonville. It seems like a little too high for that to go. high. Then the team, if you want to look for a huge splash, would be the Buffalo Bills, but I don't think that's going to happen. Okay. So do you want to put one together here, or should I stick with the Falcons on the clock?

You know what? I'm not moving up on the Chargers because I'm eyeing an offensive line in there. Okay. And then the Colts, I had a cornerback locked in for the Colts pick, so. I'm sorry. Don't be so. Yeah. Don't be dogmatic.

I had a cornerback. I mean, would you like me to move up? No, you don't need to. I think the Falcons would be willing to move down here. Okay. You know what, how about this? I'll do, I will do the Jets at 10. Oh, hopping up two spots,

sending a third round pick to the Falcons to move down two spots so the Jets can go get Roma Dunzee. Ah, okay, so now you threw my board off whack here, because I had Dallas Turner going there and I had a dunce. Sorry, you didn't play ball, so. Yeah, I had. a dunzee on the board for Chicago then I had the

I probably should have traded oh yeah so man this is what happens when you're on the clock things happen disrupts you can't be the only one to make trades disrupts my whole mantra that I had all right since now you're the Chicago Bears

no you are the Chicago Bears I know that's what I'm saying so I'm saying you is in the audience of the Chicago Bears you were hoping that you would get Roma Dunzee okay So there's a few different ways you can go here now. You can go with Dallas Turner, but they just got... I feel like at this spot, the Bears would love to move down. I think they would move down.

Because they don't have mid-round capital, right? Yes. And I think the... But the one player that you're hearing now for the one position is you're hearing, watch out for the Bears with a defensive tackle. Could this be your boy? Byron Murphy?

Because, you know, the draft insider say Murphy's going to go higher than people think. and I heard a quote yesterday from Chicago. Also, shout out to Ian Cunningham, former Eagles, um, a director of player personnel. Now he's the assistant GM gets a contract extension. I imagine he'll be a GM soon. But I heard a quote that they said that you look for the interior guy once you have your

outside guy and they have their outside guy in Montez Sweat. They traded their second round pick for him. So maybe that's like telegraphing it. I don't really understand that. Why does one have to come before the other? that the first priority is getting the outside guy. And then they got the outside guy. And then you're hearing these reports that teams are going to try to jump the jets for Brock Bowers.

Oh. Do you buy that? Well, the jets have already moved up in this spot. No, I understand that. So who would trade up to this bear's spot? Who are you trading ahead of? The Falcons are at 10, presumably want a defensive lineman, right? Or a corner.

Yeah. It could be trump with them for a corner. Could be the up. And then the other thing I should mention is that do you know who the high school teammate of Caleb Williams was? He had several in this draft, aren't there? Ollo Fashano. Yeah. So do they pair, do they give Caleb Williams his left tackle here and go Fashano-Darnell right?

You know, they have right on the right side. Yeah. Could be an option here. but I don't have an obvious trade-up. I'm looking at my evens here, and none of my evans want to move up to nine. Because who are you targeting? You're targeting.

I think you'd have to be targeting like Dallas Turner, basically. Okay. Yeah. So in this case, I'm going to stick and pick and I'm going to go with, I'm going to disrupt things. I'm going to go Byron Murphy.

Okay. Yeah. I like Byron Murphy. I will keep this one short and sweet. Atlanta, who has moved back to spots, desperately need pass rush help. It sounds like there's a chance that Latu or even verse is the first edge off the board, and it's not Dallas Turner. But I got to believe that when I see it because the Turner profile is just so much better than those other guys.

And I really like watching Dallas Turner. So I'm going Dallas Turner number 10. I agree. In about time, the Falcons don't take a skill guy. All right, so Chargers at 11. and in this scenario that I outlined here

the Chargers moved back and they get an offensive lineman who Jim Harwell tried getting to come to Michigan. Jim Harwell didn't miss on a lot of all linemen but he missed this guy. J.C. Latham.

J.C. Latham comes in and he's your right tackle opposite Ray Sean Slater. That is a need for the that is a spot that the Chargers can feel good about. Jim Hartham. ball was building along the line of scrimmage here they can use a wide receiver this is a deep

receiver class they'll get a receiver with another pick um i had them going jc lay them all right so now i think you can talk about this from an eagle's perspective well said okay because if denver doesn't get a quarterback and maybe they want to move back for a bow knicks which i find like deeply unsurious if that's their big plan um but they also they are also missing draft capital so they seem like a team ripe to move back and maybe take a little bit less than you might need. The Eagles can get up to 12 with a second round pick and maybe something else. And if Latham is off the board now and they've seen Alt off the board and they know that this tackle run is about to start because these guys are about to come off the board very quickly.

Would they move up for Fautano or Ameris Mims or even Fashano? I think it would absolutely be a conversation. I don't like the idea of giving up that much. to go up and get one of these guys, but I think it would certainly be possible. So in this situation, are they going up for the number one corner, or are they going up for an offensive lineman?

I think offensive line all day. Because you have your number one corner on the board and you're going for your, it might not be their third offensive lineman, but you've already had two O linemen. Yes. Like, for instance, I don't think that they would love Alt as much as consensus.

I could see it being possible that their number one offensive lineman is still on the board here. And that could be Fautano or it could be MIMS. I think they might really love MIMS too. Okay. I don't think we're not going to do that in this scenario, but I think that is certainly possible.

And so instead of that, I'm going to have Cincinnati trading up to 12 to take their offensive linemen. Cincinnati moving up six spots to protect Joe Burrow, and they are taking Troy Fautano. Ooh. Okay. That throws a wrench in the Eagles' plans. Interesting. And so is he playing guard for them year one, wouldn't you say?

I mean, they'll find a spot for them. They have the two Browns on the outside, Orlando and Trent. Yeah, but they're paying Trent Brown like $2 million. They're not super worried about him holding anybody off. Yep. So now you've got the Raiders here. And the Raiders at 13, they can use a quarterback. They can use Michael Penn X Jr.

throws the deep ball that Davis family loves. That's the thing you'll hear. It's the one sense of thing. But I would have him going with the top corner on the board right here, and that is Terry and Arnold. Okay. Things are quickly moving away for the Eagles here. Now, the Saints are a team.

Everybody will tell you, like 100% lock it in. They're taking an offensive lineman. They boned that pending pick a couple years ago, which, you know, raise your hand if you had that one, correct. The gift that is finally finished giving for the Eagles this year, unless they trade the second round pick for a future. Now, New Orleans could move. back because they again, as always, don't have a ton of capital.

But for now, I will say they are staying on the board. And they're going to take, they're going to take Fuwaga, Tilius Fuwaga. Interesting. Over Foshana. Over Fashanu and over Amarius Mims. I think Fugga is like, you know, they loved, what they loved about Pennig was how mean he was. Yes. Fuaga is just as mean.

And they're ready to make that same mistake again. So they didn't learn their lesson. Interesting. I believe that of the offensive lineman Fuaga is the only one who I don't think the Eagles have a chance of taking. I just, for whatever reason. Okay. Okay. That's interesting.

So that, so now, all right, so Fawaga is off the board. And like we've talked about, this offensive line class is narrowing. Now, the corner, so the Colts, they need a corner. They can always trade back. Brock Bowers are still on the board. They have like seven tight ends, but none of them are particularly good. But I have them going with Quinnian Mitchell here.

Chris Bauer likes these athletic profiles, right? You've seen him look at height, weight speed before, time speed. Quinnian Mitchell has that more so than Arnold. So I'm going Quinnian Mitchell at this spot. All right, so six spots now before the Eagles are on the board. This is the classic market. Smith's situation. And you look at who the six guys, let's say there were six guys that they would

love to stay at 22 and pick. Olu Foshanu, Brian Thomas, Brock Bowers, your boy, Amerius Mims, Laiatu Latu is five. Maybe Jared Verse would be six. Maybe Tyler Guyton would be six.

Maybe Cooper DeGine, maybe Koolaid McKinstree, those guys. It seems like there's like a four or five here who they would really like. And Seattle. Seattle has an extra first round. pick so probably not a team necessarily looking to move down don't they do they pick at the back end of the first round no Seattle's the team that we're we're thinking is the top trade up candidate for the Eagles because they don't have a second they don't have a second round pick

and that's what we so we're talking about with shield yesterday the Eagles first and third for the Seahawks or sorry the Eagles first and second for the Cardinals for the Seahawks first and third based on like if you go to over the cap.com their draft calculator that would be a match. That would be a mathematical match. So that's why 16 is kind of the spot. I wrote on all pHLY the other day that I think the two sweet spots for the Eagles to trade

would be the Broncos and the Seahawks. The Broncos would require more, but they don't have a second round pick and then the Seahawks, they don't have a second round pick. And I think that's a realistic one for the Eagles. Gotcha. All right. So, and again, like I think this is,

as you just talked about, the place where they would maybe move up And in this scenario, I think it would be for Mims. Okay. But we won't do that. For now, we will have Seattle staying, and they are going to go with, you got Mike McDonald. They're going to get him lay at Tula, too. Okay.

I like that. Give him a chance to go back to Washington, D.C. To Washington, D.C.? Or I'm sorry, to Washington. You've always got D.C. on my mind. Let me ask you this. One theory that. that you hear is that Cooper de Gene could be

Mike McDonald's like chess piece back there. It could be his Kyle Hamilton. Yeah, it's probably a little too early but in a needle's tradeback situation, something to think about. So Jaguars here. I think the Jaguars would love one of the

corners to fall, Arnold or Mitchell, that did not happen. I probably, when I put my mock draft out tomorrow or Thursday, yeah, tomorrow I probably have them going Byron Murphy here, because I think I've had a dunze going nine of the Bears, or a dunzee going earlier.

So in this situation here, the Jaguars could go with an edge, although they have Josh Allen, they have Trayvon Walker, they could go with, you've seen Nate Wiggins mocked to them, is this too early for Nate Wiggins? Detackled, Johnny Newton didn't test, but Johnny Newton could be in here. Offensive tackle, do they go Mims? Do they go with the upside? I mean, Trent Balky loves the length that you see.

What would you, so I'm kind of, I'm compelled to go Nate Wiggins in this spot, just because I think that. Interesting. It's a little early for that, maybe the Gene, but I think Nate Wiggins is certainly the Trent Balky type. You know, he really does value length.

Yeah. But this does strike me as to it. Again, I think. What about Bowers? Interesting. They paid Ingram. Bowers is kind of seeing there. What about Brian Thomas?

I feel like Brian Thomas. Okay, yeah. Actually, that's a good one here. Let's go. I had Brian Thomas listed for 19 for the Rams, but we're doing this reactively. Let's go Brian Thomas here, and they lose Calvin Ridley, and you can argue they get a better player or a comparable player on a rookie contract. Now you have Brian Thomas, Christian Kirk, and Gabe Davis. That's a good trio for Trevor Lawrence.

So Brian Thomas is a good way to go. Okay. Denver on the board after having traded back at 18. I think I'm not going to give them the quarterback here because I would rather see things play out for the Eagles without that. So let's say they could use, I mean, they have some tight ends, but Sean Payton sees his Jimmy Graham in Brock Bowers and gets Brock Bowers off the board.

You don't think this is Bownecks? Well, I just said I don't want to go quarterback here. Yeah, but I'm saying, but I know you don't want to. I'm just saying. I don't think. And the reason I ask is because I wrote the other day that pay attention to Knicks and Pennix because if six quarterbacks go, it's a big, it really helps the Eagles. But if four quarterbacks go, it really hurts the Eagles.

And that's the exercise. Yes, exactly. I don't, I also like, I mean, gosh, if your big plan as Sean Payton coming back and getting in charge of a football team again is Bo Nix, boy, am I underwhelmed. I mean, I understand that, like, there's some connectivity with Breeze because he loves throwing short, but, I mean, that is so overwhelming to me. I also, at the same time, it would be hard to believe that Sean Payton would be willing to go into the season without having a quarterback, so. Okay.

I don't know. All right, so three picks to go before the Eagles are on the board. Rams, Steelers, Dolphins. You got Olu Foshanu on the board. Amarius Mims is still on the board, just hanging like a sore thumb out there. Jared Verst, Graham Barton, Nate Wiggins, who you mentioned, Tyler Guyton, Cooper DeGine, Goulde McKinstree, Johnny Newton, Jackson Powers Johnson, Chop Robinson, Xavier Worthy. So this is the first round pick Sean McVeigh's ever taken.

Think about that. And I think he goes offense. Schrager has guaranteed it. Yes, and Schrager was at the wedding. Shregor was at the wedding. You get the Sean McVeigh wedding invite. You're in the media. It means you're tied.

they Bruce Feldman did a great piece. They got together. They met at the Senior Bowl. He reached out before his first Senior Bowl trip. He reaches out to everyone in the NFL was like a young assistant coach. Young guys. Yeah, gets in touch with McVeigh. They're probably at Vietz.

Is that the spot? That's where you've burned some midnight oil at Vietz? Not really, actually. No. The Rathscaler, is that a spot? Not that I know of. What's the place that, why does it the Ratskyer? What's the place that has the Coca-Cola?

old-fashioned, the old-fashioned with the Coca-Cola. I have no idea. There's a place in Mobile. It's Coca-Cola. Chick-fil-A? I don't know. You got old-fashioned's a Chick-fil-A? I don't know what you're talking about. I'm sorry.

All right. I would like to sell it for you. Yes. I don't know if you would like to sell it. I'm going to go Fisano to the Rams here. This gives him a chance to get a stud left tackle. I really like Foshano. And I think that he's kind of been slept on a bit.

okay that sounds too bad for him it could be comfortable if it's a little baby you know it's a nice one of the best feelings in the world having a little little baby sleep on your chest all right stealers on the board although you can't move that was always the issue I had like once that baby falls asleep on you know if if you're not holding you strike me as someone who has a problem not being able to move yeah I mean well because like there's been times when when you know it was

it was my turn to you know with the with the bottle or burping them and you put them to sleep And once you put them to sleep, you can't wake them up. And if you don't have your phone, like, accessible there, then you're just there. You do not like to be alone with your thoughts, do you? I don't like to me, but I don't like to be without my phone. So I've listened actually, I remember it was when Sloan was born. And I put an Alexa in her room. And when I was putting her down, and I listened to JJ Reddick for like one person.

period of for like a month had his podcast on uh lebron james's network and uh i remember listening to that as i was putting slow down it's an incredibly zach burman's anecdote that's great yeah all right pittsburgh on the board here um you hear that they want like a a center potentially yeah it's like a weird uh thing like you know mims would make sense to me for them uh but maybe graham barton is the guy. I kind of want to make this, like now I'm thinking about it from the Eagles perspective. And like I would like to see Mims go off the board before the Eagles are on the clock at 22 just to see how things play out. But I don't know that Pittsburgh is taking to Marius Mims. I think Pittsburgh is going Jaredverse in this situation. I know that they've got some pass rushers. Okay.

He seems to me like a Mike Tomlin type of guy. And I'm going Jared Verse. Okay. I do see the Mike Tomlin type of guy for him there. That certainly makes sense to me. I thought they would go all old line. You hear like Powers Johnson there. You hear like you say, Graham Barton.

So now what do you do if you're the Miami Dolphins? and I got to say, I don't know if we were rigging this for MIMS to come here, but this would be the MIMS spot for me. Okay. If you're the Dolphins, Ameris MIMS makes sense down there, and they can use O'Lion Help, I think he's the next best tackle on the board here. I think if this had been the scenario, the Eagles would have done whatever it took to move to 20 to get MIMS. To move to 20, okay.

So you think the Steelers are, okay. And then, by the way, maybe the Rams trade down and in that case. but from 19, maybe the Eagles try to jump the Steelers. I did write that if you were the Eagles, you're trying to get above the Bengals at 18 because Bengals, Rams, Steelers, Dolphins, all teams that could go for offensive tackles. But in this case, I'm going to Marius Mims, 21, to the dolphins.

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will they stick and pick as you like to say and if they do that will they pick from the likes of Nate Wiggins Cooper de jean coolade mckinstry Tyler Guyton johnny newton will they look for an interior guy like graham barton or jackson powers johnson will they roll the dice on the unproven edge in chop robinson what do you think if this were the eagles on the board that they would do. So if they were on the board here, I think they take Cooper DeGine. I think Cooper DeGine makes sense for them.

I think it's a high floor player with a high ceiling as well. I think they think he can play corner. There's athletic trades, football intelligence. He can help you different ways. He can help you day one. He can help you down the line. Good age profile, good athletic profile.

I think this is Cooper DeGene if they stay. I also think they like Coyd-McKinstree. And I think that they'd be willing to trade down to get some draft capital in that case, but you don't want to go too far and miss out on those guys, although you can have a fallback plan being like a Tyler Guyton type. So how far back could they move here? And who would want to trade up to this spot? That's the other question. A team that wants.

So that's the challenge here because it's not a team. And that's why the quarterbacks are such an interesting conversation. A team that wants a quarterback is not trading up here. Or the Eagles aren't, or I'm sorry, the Eagles aren't trading up, or Eagles are not trading down to a team that wants a quarterback unless they're getting a future first round. Like, if they leave the first round, I think it's like the Carolina deal from 2008 was it. When the Eagles were drafting 19 that year, the Panthers wanted Jeff Ota, the Eagles, Ota or Ata, the Eagles trade back into the second round. They get a second and a fourth in the following years first. and I think that would be the pathway they would go more so than,

so who in the 20s would be trying to trade up and for what? That's my question to you. Yeah, and I think it's tough. I think if you're just thinking of a team that is win now and like needs a guy who they view as their guy and they don't want to miss out on him. Buffalo is the one who makes sense to me. For Xavier Worthy, for something like that, right?

Or maybe it's A.D. Mitchell for them or whoever. it is. But there's a receiver that they just cannot live without. And, you know, what would get that done? They don't even have a third round pick. And so you're probably talking about like their second round pick and the Eagles are given back a fourth or something like that or it's both of their fourth round picks or it's a future or maybe it's a future second round pick, something like that, which I think

would be fine, you know, to move back six spots. And I think there's a good chance that McKinstree would. still be there. I think in this situation, if the Eagles had to pick, I actually think that they would take Guyton over. Interesting. Over Dijin. Do you?

Okay. And McInchery. I think they would. I think they like Guyton. Okay. And I think there is a lot to like about Guyton. And I think, as you have said, in the end, tie goes to the line of scrimmage.

Yes. So I think Guyton would be their guy. Is there a team that would trade up for an edge rusher? Because right now Turner and Latu are off the bow. versus off the board too versus off the board too so you're not trading up for chopper opposite we have done this so that there's nobody really sicken out as the glaring

thing and that is probably the truth is that if if the Eagles didn't have a guy they loved it wouldn't play out just like this there would probably be somebody dangling out there and maybe it's Graham Barton some people love Grand Barton yeah and then the other thing too is like for instance maybe Green Bay wants the gene and he's looking to trade up for the gene

maybe you hear Johnny Newton attached to the Cardinals at 27 he's in He's the next best D tackle here. The Cardinals have so many picks. Maybe the Cardinals want that certainty. You think that's because Johnny Gans wants Johnny Newton? There's a Johnny thing going on?

I don't think it's that. He likes to have those guys in waves, right? So. Shots, explosives. So you're going Glyton here, and I'm going to the gene here. Yeah, for this part of the exercise. For this part of the exercise. Not for what we predict is going to happen.

But if the board fell like this, you think they'd still go O tackle? I do. Okay. I think they would go with the gene. Okay. Okay. All right. That was a fun exercise.

And that's, that's the word, this is the worst case one for the Eagles. Pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. I would say so. I mean, worst cases. Relative. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. All right. Now, we are going to have our final predictive seven round mock drafts on all p.hloy.com for diehardt. Yep. Would you like to, would you like to tease what, what yours is? Yeah. So.

Now this is, you know, we, we have the debate, Zach. Yeah. the Nolan Smith, whether or not you predicted him as their first round pick, this is you going on the record, okay? Yeah. There's no takebacks here. Yeah. This is it.

So by the way, I feel, I feel, and this is not a bit, okay? Although I'm not like keeping score, okay? But this is not a bit. You're predicting the round. Now, I mean, Nolan Smith was pretty late in the first round, but you're predicting the round that they're interested in. Because unless you had the Eagles trading up for Jalen Carter, you didn't actually get the pick they took Jalen Carter at.

So you're picking, I had them taking Nolan Smith in the first round last year. You had them as the first of their two first round picks. I didn't have them taking a second first round pick. So I had them as their first round pick last year. But when I say that for the past four years or past three years, I've gotten their first round pick correct, that is by the that's a literal factual truthful statement i got their first round pick correct okay that's what you're that's what you're hanging on i'm not hanging on no no but that's that's

that's that's what you believe well that's what she'll believes okay and that's shield's not the arbiter here she'll has nothing to do with this she was a national reporter well or not i mean he's the one who gave me that doesn't mean anything i wasn't even keeping score i mean but he kept score so I appreciate it, She'll. Anyways. This is you. Your case is that as long as you get the round correct, you get to puff out your chest that you have gotten the first round pick correct.

I'm not puffing out my chest, but you get to. That's your tip. Yeah. Well, no, that you can say the factual statement, I predicted their first round pick correctly because that player was selected in the first round by the player. That's what I'm there. I'm sorry, by the team. So I have the Eagles trading up from 22 to 16.

I have them giving up number 53, okay? And so 22 and 53, and they get back 16 and 81. And according to the over-the-cap chart, that is a fair trade. Actually, the Seahawks win in the points by a very small number. And so at 16, I would try to trade out for J.C. Latham. I've been on record saying that. I think Latham is going to be off the board. I also think that Troy Falano, even though he's not the guy that I would target from a predictive perspective, I think Falano makes sense for the Eagles.

I've talked about how they really value broad jump at offensive line. He had the best broad jump of all the offensive linemen going in the first round. I spoke about how he's a little too old for my liking. That hasn't been an issue with Eagles with offensive linemen. They took Dillard in the first round. he was older. They took Elaine Johnson in the first round. He was older. Like I said, Hallie Roseman's history, he's only taken

two offensive linemen under the age of who finished their year 22 or who finished their rookie year 22 or younger. That was Dennis Kelly and that was Jordan Mila. Okay? So this is not, so the athleticism with the position

jumps, the athleticism jumps off the charts there. the playing style. There's people who know offensive line a lot better than me. We had Brandon Thorne on. He talked up Feltano. We had Dane Bruegler on. I think he's Bruegler's ninth rated player.

You and Fran, no offensive line play better than me. You guys were raving about Fultano that day. So clearly, like, you know, I think crowds matter in this, taking a lot of input. Fultano is a player that there's a lot of consensus on there. And then the position flexibility is a plus. And the one thing I'll say to is like, if the worst case scenario with this is that, or I shouldn't say the worst case scenario, if a scenario exists where he's really good at guard and they keep that guard, guard's a $20 million position now.

Like your top guard, we've seen that. Actually, the top guard, the average salary of the top five guards is more than the average salary of the top five corners, I believe, right? So this is quickly becoming a premium position, but he can move over to right tackle when Lane retires, but I think day one, he makes you better on the offensive line at right guard. And then Tyler Steen profiles well as your swing tackle in that case. So I have the Eagles trading up to 16 for Troy Falano. Because I have J.C. Lay them off the board.

I would personally prefer J.C. Lay them. Do you want to go through your whole thing? Yeah, well, so my second round, I have them taking Max Melton. Your boy. I've talked about Max McSelton. I think Max Melton makes a lot of sense for the Eagles. then he doesn't have the, you know, you would like them to be over six foot. I would like to be over six foot.

We can't all have what we want, okay? But he has 32 and his arms are over 32 inches. That's the threshold for playing outside. He's proven. He's an inside outside guy. He can play in press coverage. The 4-3-940. I talked about the broad jump, 98th percentile on broad jump, right?

So athletically, he is there. Do you think if the Eagles don't, if the Eagles go tackle on the first round and don't go corner? You think they will be committed to trying to take a corner in the second round, or you just think Melton is too good to pass up? I think Melton makes lots of time. I mean, I think that would be their preference. But also, we're up against the clock today. Go a little long today.

No, but something I did want to talk to you about, we can talk about on the show tomorrow. And then is that, is Marshawn Latimore a guy who the Eagles would then pivot to? Like, is that their pivot if they don't get a corner in the first two rounds? That's who I had is my original best case scenario. when I didn't shoot the shot for Sir Tan was for Latimore, and I do think that's very possible. So that could be where they pivot.

They could be like- No, they just restructured his contract, which I think makes the trade more difficult. I could be wrong about that. But yes, I think that would be definitely possible. So number 81, I have the Eagles going on with a wide receiver. And this is what I was saying. I've had four different guys in this spot.

So did you move? Oh, because you gave up the second. Yeah, I gave up the second. I got it. So I got the third round pick. I had them going Jalen Polk at one point. I had them going, I had them going Germain Burton at one point. I do not think they're doing that.

Yeah, so I'm going to stay away from Germain Burton because there's just too many reports about how volatile he is. But I would also say that if you have Devonte Smith and A.J. Brown, you should have a tolerance for bringing in someone who, you know, might need solid veterans around them if the talent is there. And I think the talent's there with Burton. Right now, and I'm going to have this up in like an hour, but this is one where I don't have the blurb on, is. I have them going with Malachi Corley from Western Kentucky. Design touch type guy. Yeah, so that's my issue. I think they're, I think they need someone who can take over that Devante Parker spot.

Is your top option? Of course. The whole operating thing for you is they need to get rid of Devante Parker. That's your number one goal this weekend. Your top backup on the outside. Someone who could play the X. Someone who could play the X. That's not Malachi Corley.

I know. So that's what I'm saying. That's why I was having a hard time here. I was thinking, so Tess Walker is someone I was thinking. There's not really that third rounder in that range here. It's so funny. It really jumps there. They got to get rid of Devonti Parker.

Malachi Corley, I could see them from the perspective of he's something different. But when this comes out, it might have Polk in there. It might have Brendan Rice in there. That's someone else I was considering. I thought that might be a little high, 81. Yeah, it feels to me. Yeah. But I have wide receiver there.

Number 103. I have Trayvon Wallace, linebacker Kentucky. Okay. They value athletic traits. Number 161, I have J-O-X-Hunt. That might be a little late for him. That's okay. That's what I don't, you know, because...

Smart guy played safety at Cornell. Yes, but you're hearing he could sneak in the day, too. I just wonder if teams are going to take a 23-year-old from Houston Christian, who's had like eight sacks in the third round, right? I think sometimes the buzz before the draft, and then they end up actually being drafted where teams had them. But up a fourth or fifth round will be the hunt area. Zach Zinter with one of the fifth round picks.

You have Zach Zinter. Will Shipley, right there. Okay. And then. Running back from Clemson? Yeah, running back from Clemson. Great cross player, by the way. Well, that'll help.

Real good pass catcher out of the backfield. You pick for the Philadelphia wings. I think one thing, I said this during our running back show. I think age matters at running back for the Eagles. when you're looking at some of those guys in the fifth. So you take a 35-year-old lacrosse player. No, he's 221. The fifth-six round, there's a lot of like 24-year-old running backs.

Yeah, it's bad this year. Yeah, I don't think he goes with that. So it might be a little ambitious to go with Shipley in the fifth round, but fourth-fifth is the range, so I'm assigning him in the fifth. Shout out that Tyler Dunn and Bob McGinn. They did a great job to go along. I always read the scouting report. there and when the scouts said about

Shipley is he grows on you so I don't know if that's a compliment or not but you know it's it's kind of like it's kind of like how I've married Emily like she wasn't that interested in me at first and then eventually like all right yeah she got sold on me so

all right interesting I was joking there trying to be self-deprecating and then number 210 wore her down what wore her down we're now number two 10 going with a detact here and didn't know which way to go had a few different guys that I was looking at but I'm going to with someone who inspirational story I'm going to have to learn the last name but from

Alabama Justin E.B. Agby and has he's someone who's fallen down a bit in the drag because he had a spinal issue. He had a tragic death in his family as well. He persevered through a lot at Alabama but I think he's a good player scheme versus you know he can play a three, four, but he can also play, you know, he can be your outside rusher. I was thinking McKinley Jackson as a potential backup nose as well, but I'm going with Justin Igby-Igby-I-Big-A-B-B-B-B-B-B-Begby. According to The Beast. All right.

What do you think of that mock? That's interesting. It's good. I think it's a good one? Do you think it's? I don't know. We're literally going to find out in like 72 hours. Are you going to tell me your mock?

I am. All right. Now, I want to keep in mind what you said. Okay. You've got this track record. I got to catch up to you. Okay. I need to nail this first round pitch. This seems like it's on your mind. This is like, this is bothering you. Okay. The Eagles are doing some wheeling and dealing here. Oh, goodness. Okay. Are you going to get like three first round picks that mix to maximize your odds? At pick number nine. The Chicago Bears, they need this, they need all this. they need this stuff they need somebody they've got Keenan Allen they've got DJ Moore but they want more weapons

for Caleb Williams so they call Howie Roseman they make a monster offer they say Howie we're going to give you number nine overall and our 2025 first round pick

for AJ Brown Howie says you know what let's do it too good of an offer Howie takes Dallas Turner at number nine at number 10

10, the Jets take J.J. McCarthy. At number 11, Minnesota, they did not get Drake May. Okay. So they call up Howie Roseman. They say, Howie. I know what you're doing here. We want team and hurts. Here's what we're willing to offer.

You're so hell bad. You're so hell bad. Take his first drop pick. Right. No one Smith thing bothered you that much, that much. That much. Okay. So Minnesota offers 11, 23, a 2025 first round pick, and a 2026 conditional second for Jalen Hertz.

I don't know. Howie says, oh, my gosh, that's too much. That's too much. You know what? Value is value. He takes it. He takes Amerius Mims at 11. The Eagles trade up to 11 for Amarius Mims.

That number 12, Denver, also has not gotten their quarterback. Sean Payton is desperate. Says, Howie, I want Kenny Pickett and a 2025 second round pick and I'll give you 12. Howie says, let's do it. Rock and roll. He's got his corner. He trades up to 12 for Terry and Arnold. So the Eagles now have Dallas, Turner, and Mary Smims and Terry and Arnold.

That 13. Now all of a sudden, Howie's rolling. And he's thinking, okay, this is my chance to be the star of the show. The whole NFL world is going to be talking about the night of the night of Howie. And here it comes. At 13, he moves up to the Raiders

spot. He trades them straight up Jordan Milata. Milata straight up for 13. He's got Ameris Mims. What does he need? Jordan Milana for? There's a chance he might get some more tackles.

He takes Quinion Mitchell at 13. The Eagles trading up to 13 for Quinny and Mitchell. At 14, Saints win now mode. They got to replace Trevor Penning. They're trading number 14 to the Eagles. for Lane Johnson.

And the Eagles, at 14, are taking Troy Fauton. At 15. Now, Chris Ballard, this is a sharp guy. He knows opportunity when he sees it. He sees that this Eagles team has a chance to totally blow up, and he's thinking to himself, I got to get ahead of this. Hey, Howie, come get 15. Just send me your first round pick next year.

We'll call it a deal. I'm betting against you, Howie says, me versus you. Let's do it. Great. Howie, moves up. up to 15 for Brian Thomas from LSU. At 16, the Seattle Seahawks. Mike McDonald comes into the building.

I get the point. He's listening. He's like, you know, John, I'm happy to be here. I do. I wish you had taken Jalen Carter last year instead of Devin Wetherspoon. And John Snyer says, my guy, I'll get Howie on the line. Let's make this happen. He sends 16 and a 2025 first to the Eagles for Jalen Carter, Howie takes a deal.

and he just goes again and gets Byron Murphy the second at 16. 17, now, I mean, again, Howie is just on a heater right now. People are trying to pry the phone away from him. He's like, just watch me work, okay? The Jags need a wide receiver for Trevor Lawrence. They're willing to send 17 and a 2025 first to the Eagles for Devante Smith. Howie says, let's do it. He's moving up to 17 for Layatu-Latu.

to. At 18, the Bengals, they're just willing to take the Jags future first. Okay. And he says, okay, I'll take Olu Faschanoo there. He moves up four spots to 18 for Olu Faschanoo. At 19, the Rams, you know, Sean McVeigh, all this talk about and he wants to use his first, first round pick, F them picks. He's trading it for Jordan Davis, Dallas Goddard, and Pooka Nakua's best friend, Britton Covey. that gets the Eagles 19. They get Cooper DeGine.

I'm a breaking companies to screen here there. At 20, the Steelers are on the board, and the Steelers are not answering. Andy Wightle says it, no deal. They stick and they take Talese Fuwaga. So the Eagles do not get Tully's Fuwaga. He's doing all this and they don't get Fulagga. If they get Fouanga, I'm screwed. At 21, the Eagles move up.

Actually, they just send the Minnesota 2025 first that they got. from the earlier deal, they move up to take Brock Bowers. At 22, they stick and pick. Oh, stick and pick in 22. They get J.C. Latham. Oh, wow. Okay. At 23, this is the pick that they already got from Minnesota and moving up for in the Jalen Hertz deal.

At 23, they take Nate Wiggins. At 24, they send one of the future picks acquired to the Dallas Cowboys. They take Tyler Guyton. At 25, the Packers take Jackson Powers Johnson. At 26, the Eagles move up. They send the Chicago first that they got, and they take Johnny Newton at 26.

At 27, the Arizona Cardinals take Chop Robinson. This is one that could be the Eagles. They're not taking Chop Robinson. At 28, the Eagles send 50 and 53. There are two second round picks to actually forget what team this is. They get Xavier Worthy. It's the Lions. No, the Lions are 29.

They take Jordan Morgan. At 30, the Eagles, this is where. with Baltimore, they trade a 2026 first and Nolan Smith straight up for 30. They take Kool-Aid McKinstree. So the final tally here for the Eagles in the first round, the Eagles have drafted Dallas Turner,

Ameris Mims, Terry and Arnold, Quinion Mitchell, Troy Fautano, Brian Thomas, Byron Murphy the 2nd, Layatou Lattu, Olu Faschanoo, Cooper DeGine, Brock Bowers, Bauer's, J.C. Latham, Nate Wiggins, Johnny Newton, Xavier Worthy, Tyler, Guyton, and Kool-Aid McKinstree. So if any of those players is the Eagles first round pick. I have correctly predicted it. I have gotten the round correct and the team correct. In order to do so, by the way, just for, you can tell me how you

feel like the roster plays out. They have lost. Jalen Hertz, AJ Brown, Devante Smith, Dallas Goddard, Jordan Milana, Lane Johnson, Kenny Pickett, Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis, Nolan Smith, Britt and Pughey, 50, 53, and a bunch of future picks. I respect the humor. What a night for me. Howie. What a night from Howie. What a night for Bow in that case. They took, I predicted one guy in the first round.

One guy, they took that guy in the first round. One guy, I predicted. You have, what, 11 guys? I'm sorry, I just went through the process. Okay, okay. All right, well, now I'm kind of rooting for them to trade out of the first round. No, I mean, if they get Fuaga or if they get chocka or if they get chock, Robinson.

Yes, that'd be funny. That'd be funny. No, this is, well done. That was, that was a good bit. What bit? That's my prediction. That's my official prediction. All that matters is that I get one of the guys right.

Is that what you're going to write on all phyllo.com? I haven't decided. Okay. I think what you write on all p.g.com is made the official prediction. You don't get to decide that. Okay. Then I just won't write anything. I need sheo as the arpenter.

No, no, no. You cannot give him that power. He's not a part of this show anymore. He doesn't. Wow. He's not the arbiter. If he wants to be the arbiter, he can come join the show full time. She was always a part of our show.

Okay, Sheel, Marissa, Julia, Kent, everyone's a part of our show. So, you know, we're like the Flyers alumni, you know, you're always, you're always there. Okay. Yeah. Derek Van Riper? That was before my time, I think. No, he subbed in once or twice. As a producer, yes.

Okay. I'm sorry, Derek. Yeah, shots fired. No. Okay. Yeah, Derek Van Riper then, too. Okay, all right. Well, there you have it.

Our official predictions for how tomorrow night is going to play out and the rest of the draft. That'll do it. Just for the record, the Eagles did not trade their fourth, fifth, and sixth. So I have Jalen McMillan, Jordan McGee, Josiah, Ezerim, Jalen Harrell, and Jalen Charles. Or Jailen Carlis. Okay. You got a Michigan guy in there? Yes.

You got a local guy in there? And I didn't realize this until just now, but all five of those guys names start with Jay. Jalen, Jordan, Josiah, Jalen, and Jalen. More Jalen. But three different Jalen. More Jalens. It's interesting. Maybe I'm just, I have the Howie Bias.

What time tomorrow? Let's tease that. All right. Thank you, Joey. 8 o'clock tomorrow. We are live for the whole first round. Friday, 7 o'clock. We're live for the entirety of the second round,

and presumably the Eagles are going to move around. We'll probably be live for most, if not all, of the third round as well. And then on Saturday, starting, I believe, at noon. We are live all the way through the end of round six. So lots and lots of content coming your way. There's not going to be a better, like, what you should do, I presume you're two-screen people. Have the draft on the TV on mute.

Have us with you watching alongside. And let's have a big party. Let's have some fun. We're looking forward to it. Thank you to Butcher Box for helping make it all happen. And that'll do it for this episode of the P.H.O.Y. Eagles podcast. Santiago wants to know what it will take to hire away Marissa and Shield.

Santiago, you're going to need to pay a little more of the superchats to make that happen. And, you know, put a couple zeros on the end of that. Maybe we can make it happen. And you need the Eagles to trade for Michael Donne as well. Yes. I would say so. I should have done that in here. That would have been good.

All right. That'll do it for this episode of the PHA Y Eagles podcast. Here's hoping that one of us at least gets the first round pick of the Eagles correct for all of us here. We thank you for watching and listening. We'll talk to you tomorrow. And as always, we love you.