PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | Troy Fautanu and the Philadelphia Eagles’ OT options with NFL Draft sicko Fran Duffy

Episode Date: April 8, 2024

With players like Taliese Fuaga, Tyler Guyton, Amarius Mims and J.C. Latham possibly available for the Eagles at No. 22, can they afford not to take advantage of a loaded offensive tackle class? Or should they focus instead on a player who has a more immediate path to playing time? Fran Duffy of [PhiladelphiaEagles.](http://PhiladelphiaEagles.com)com and the Eagle Eye in the Sky podcast joins Zach and Bo for an overview of the tackle position ahead of this month’s NFL Draft. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Bo Wolf, Zach Berman, and if you're watching live, you already know, in the middle, sandwiched between us. Fran Duffy at Philadelphia Eagles.com and Eagle Eye on the Sky podcast. Fran, how you doing? Doing great. We get to sit and talk some football today. It was a big weekend. I'm excited to chop it up with you guys.

Now we're going to get to draft talk. Yes. We're going to get there in the next couple weeks, but, you know, not today. No, this is a very football-focused episode. We are narrowing in as we. as we are just over two weeks away from the draft. We're going to go position by position over the next 10 episodes, Zach. What are you smiling at?

I'm so excited for this. I was actually, I was saying this weekend, big week of shows coming up. When is it not, though? Well, yeah, but these ones here, we're narrowing in on the draft here. We can't keep pushing it back. We're forgetting it's the integrity of these players. And what's cool about this is we got, the day one guys

we're even talking day three you're getting everything here and what better way to start than offensive talk yeah well obviously okay I mean if I we're not skipping day two well I'm just saying you said day one and day three we're going to talk day two as well

today is tackle we're talking offensive tackle so we're going to start with sort of a big picture conversation because it does seem like this is a polarizing possibility for the Eagles you know if lane Johnson's going to play for two or three more years would you really use the 22nd overall pick or a first round pick on a position where a guy might not have an immediate path to

playing time. We will unpack that. We're going to talk this specific class where there is a deep group of first round caliber players. And then that means that the guys who might otherwise be day two guys get pushed down a little bit. This could be a deeper draft. We're going to talk about that. But for those of you who want the nonsense and like don't really want to talk football, there's a separate channel. If you go to YouTube, we've got a feed of just France thighs under the desk. And that's... how you can follow that. Very esoteric of you.

Yes. Obviously. And Zach's, of course, you know, willing to feed the beast. He'll be nude as well. So that's good. That's not true. I'm not putting that out there at all. Okay.

All right. Here's where I want to talk or where I want to start. I want to compare tackle and corner because I feel like those are what seem like the two most likely positions for the Eagles in the first round. And I want to sort of make the case for why tackle is not a waste. Okay. And I understand the urgency. that you want a guy who's going to contribute to a Super Bowl caliber team right away.

But if we accept the premise that the Eagles want to eventually replace Lane Johnson with a Pro Bowl caliber tackle, where do those guys come from? And, you know, I've done this in the past and looked back at the history of where pro bowlers and all pros come from over the past 11 years, 12 years. I went through it all this weekend. There have been 28 tackles who made either the initial Pro Bowl team. So no Tyler Huntley's in this example or an all pro team over the past 12 years. And for the tackles, two things stand out.

Number one, they get drafted early. That seems obvious. It's a position that everybody cares about. But you can make a case that tackle is maybe the most efficient position that the NFL drafts. The median pick for those 28 players is 13th overall. Of all those 28 players, 13th overall, which is the second highest behind only quarterback. and 18 of those 28 guys were drafted in the first round. Again, second only the quarterback.

Only five of them drafted on day two, which is about 18%, which is the second lowest by position to edge. The second thing that stands out is that the elite tackles stay the elite tackles. If you get a guy, you have got a guy. The 28 guys, if you look at just the rate of turnover among the players who are in that sample of pro bowlers and all pros, it's 71% of the spots are accounted for by the same group of guys,

which is the second lowest rate of turnover behind defensive tackle. Now, there are some reasons why that might be, like it's sort of a reputation position for those awards, but when you've got a tackle, you've got to tackle. Now, compare that to corner, where, you know, we've talked about it's a little bit less sticky.

Some of that is ball production, but only running back, safety, and tight end have a higher rate of turnover. among the elite of their positions. And despite the fact that corner is a position that is drafted early, it is the fourth, and you've done this, and you're a draft sicko in terms of the history, Fran. The fourth highest position in terms of volume of first-round picks is corner.

However, if you look at where the best guys come from, it's the second highest rate of day three and undrafted guys, so you can get elite corners later, almost 30% of them come on day three or later, and the median pick of those guys is 31, which is right sort of in the middle. So I get the urge that a corner has got an immediate path to playing time. But if you want to have a pro bowl tackle, which I know that the Eagles want to eventually have one, I think you can make a case that at 22 in a year where like some of these guys who would otherwise be top 15 picks might be there,

this is a unique opportunity to get one of those guys. Yeah, and just to also follow up there too, I think when you look at what, these guys get paid on the pro market. That's something that has been talked about with positions like Tidane, Brock Bowers in particular here. I know last time when we spoke at the Combine, we had that discussion. And when you look at some of the top rated offensive line,

offensive tackles from a contract value standpoint, average per year, Laramie Tunsell, $25 million a year, Trent Williams, 23, Andrew Thomas, 23.5, Lane Johnson, 20.2. All those guys were top half of the first round selections, and all of them are north of 20 million. those guys, $23 million per year on an average per year contract. Now, when you look at corner, Jaira Alexander tops the market at 21, and then you get to Marshawn Latimore at 19.5, Trayvon Diggs at 19.4,

Legerius Sneed, who just got trade for 19. So it's a tier below that. But what I think is most notable is when you get, this is what I tried to make this point in India, and I did not do a good job of sticking this landing. So I'll try and redo it here. When you go a couple tiers below that, right? So you go not just like top of the market, but the low end starter. So if you just look from a contract standpoint. Austin Jackson, former first-round pick by the Miami Dolphins,

12 million a year. Charles Leno from Washington last year. He was at 12 million a year. Rob Havenstein from the Rams, 11.5 million a year. Again, kind of low-end, replacement-level starter is kind of how those guys

would be viewed. If you go to corner, Rocky Asin, 4 million a year. Patrick Peterson, who's obviously a decorated career potential Hall of Famer, 7 million a year.

Jeff Akuta, just this past year, top three pick, 4.8 million a year. we're talking like a third of the value from a contract standpoint. So that's how those guys are viewed on the open market. It is harder to find a starting quality offensive tackle, not just a pro ball, all pro quality tackle,

but even just a low-end starter, those guys are harder to come by and therefore more valuable on the market. And if I can follow up on that, because I think that's a great point. The draft is for the next six, eight, ten years, not the next six, eight, ten months. That's the first thing. The second thing is there's this notion

that if you draft an offensive tackle, you're keeping him on ice for the next two years, right? Lane Johnson, the last time he played a full season, it was 2015. So, and he's not getting younger, right? That's impossible. Right. So the idea that's real stupid observation. That's the research I did this weekend.

It's not getting younger. You watch Benjamin Button. Oh, this is not a documentary. Exactly. So my point being that, like there is a higher than likely chance that even if lane johnson like you know that this this offensive tackle even if he doesn't have guard versatility and he very well might be your starting guard he'll be pushed in action next year the eagles if you look at their depth chart right

now and i know we're we're going to get to it but their top backup tackle would be fred johnson potentially tyler steen right they're they don't have that like experienced swing tackle and i suppose you can you can sign one but if the first round pick would most likely play next season and could be could have a valuable role and the last thing i'll add is that if you talk to people inside the building they'll talk about the sustained success that the eagles had and the blips on their radar are years when the offensive line went to crap basically and so you want to make sure that for both jordan myelotta and lane johnson you have you have someone in there you feel can you can start and win games with. And I also think back to, you know, we don't think of it this way anymore because it

happened quickly. But remember when they drafted Lane to Dickerson, it was like, well, he doesn't have an immediate path to playing time. And then like Brandon Brooks gets hurts and never plays again. Like, I think, you know, we had Baldi on on Friday and he said Lane's going to play another two or three years. That's great in theory. But if that doesn't happen, you know, they need to be prepared. I also think this framing of this guy is going to have to sit. It's a little bit, like, it's really only applying to Tyler Guyton and Amarius Mims and maybe Olu Faschano, right, in the first round. Like the other guys who are in that conversation, who we will get to, Fattano and Fulanga and even J.C. Latham, like, those guys can play guard. And so it's not, I don't love using a first round pick

on a guard, but if this guy is also your eventual tackle. This also goes to like the Stoutland conversation of if you have this guy who's a great coach, do you use the resources in the first round so he can get guys from good to great or do you use that power in the middle rounds and get guys from okay to starting caliber but I think the Eagles roster-wise have done a very good job of addressing the depth chart in a way that they should not have to reach in round one like if they don't draft a corner in the first two rounds they can go play on you know tomorrow and be fine and so I don't know where do you guys fall on like the use of a first round pick and a tackle well to your point about the land of Dickerson example and that's a good one

I have this seared in my head is Joe Douglas, and he said this a number of times when I've spoken to him about this, is that Ozzie Newsom would say to the scouts in Baltimore that today's luxury is tomorrow's necessity. And that's like the absolute, you know, you can say it's not a need until Brenner Brooks gets hurt and then it's a need. You can say it's not a need until Elaine Johnson gets hurt

and then it's a need. So the point is take the best player at the best position and it's going to become a need of. eventually. And that's what I think it's important to note as well that, you know, I think a lot of people view a draft board and think of just like, you know, Mel Kuyper's top 50 or top 25 and a vertical like list. That is not how teams operate. It is a horizontal board where guys are often placed into buckets. And so if you've got, you love a bucket. Yeah, love a bucket, obviously. But I think when you're looking at, you know, a draft board, you say, okay, whether it's

a term like solid starter, pro bowl player, or if it's a number, a lot of people use a number system, If you have three offensive tackles and one corner and a pass rusher, they're all on the same horizontal layer of that board. They're all going to have the same grade. And that's where you start having these discussions of positional value. And are you taking this guy versus that guy? There's also the element of, all right, because by the way, these are the conversations that are being had right now and over the last week or so

is let's say we want to go in an ideal world. If you're your team A and you want a running back, a wide receiver, and a pass rusher in the first three. rounds. That would be an ideal scenario. Okay, are we better served having pass rusher running back and what would what would that look like from a player standpoint? Are we better off having this group of players or that group of players? So again, if you're just comparing offensive tackle and would you rather have insert round one offensive tackle and insert round two corner or would you flip that? What do you feel better about walking away from the draft? And those are the conversation

Well let's let's play that game. Yeah. Would you rather have let's say, let's say Troy Fattano and who's a who's a second round corner who might be there a second round corner Kamari last year there you go throw Kamari lasser in there or would you rather have Nate Wiggins and Kingsley sua mataya yeah I mean that's the I think that I mean I was the problem with it and that's what I think is interesting about this class offensive tackle is typically to your point that you made earlier a position that will go earlier than people think typically those guys are going to go off the word if you feel if you feel like he can be a starting tackle.

That guy usually doesn't last. And we do talk about the Eagles like they've got two second round picks, but they're late. They're late. They're late. The first one's at 50. Well, they are second. But I mean, if you're counting on a tackle falling, you can't, like, Sulamete is probably not going to be there.

Yes, exactly. And we'll get to it. There's a reason why the Eagles haven't really taken offensive tackles in the second and third round for the reason you mentioned. The best ones are, like, it's not like you're usually sitting on the board in round two. And it's like, ooh, we were going to take this guy in round one. He's still sitting there. Offensive tackles, they're.

get pushed up, not pushed down. Yeah. And so I think that that's what makes having that that discussion hard in a vacuum. Now, in this particular draft class, you know, the same way that, hey, the Eagles are sitting at 22, the guy that would be there at 22 is typically not a player that would be sitting there at 22 in most years, but because of how loaded this class is, and we'll get, we can talk through some of these individual players, because of how impressive this group is on the whole, well, now that might lead to a guy falling that normally would not. And I think the same would be said about round two. Now, when you get to like round three, round four, I don't think you'll be able to say that. Those tackles are going to go.

But I think when you get to the second round of the draft, there's going to be tackles there, or, you know, a Roger Rosengarten type that, who knows? Like if he had come out a year from now, you're talking maybe the 25th pick in the draft, something like that. Right. And if he hadn't broken his arm and then all of a sudden, he was throwing 95 miles an hour. That's right. Henry Rowengardner. Yeah, we got it. Yeah, that's good one. How do you feel, Zach, about tackle versus corner? Just your own personal opinion. Well, that's nuanced, as you can guess. But I mean, you joke, but that's true.

It does the end on the player. Yeah, exactly. I've made the point on the show when we spoke about edge rushers, and it was what French just said. Like, this is a year when a guy, the top offensive tackle in last year's draft, okay, what might be like the fifth offensive tackle this year might be the top offense tackle in last year's draft. and you've had years where it's not very strong.

You've had years when the first 10 picks, 11 picks are defensive guys, and offensive tackles are getting pushed down the board. A matter of fact, when the Eagles took Andre Dillard, it was that type of year, for the most part, at offensive line. This is a year when I think you're going to get tremendous value. I don't think it's too early in the team's trajectory. For the reason I mentioned, it's a premium position, how he likes to think ahead.

Unless there's a corner who falls or a corner that you love, I think you're much more likely to find a good corner with starting potential in round two than a good offensive tackle with starting potential in round two. So I think value is going to meet the – I think the value on the board is going to meet the organizational value in round one. I will lean toward taking offensive tackle unless there's a run early and you're sitting there and you're pushing for the tackle when there's like an obvious corner on the board. Yeah. And to your point too, obviously, obviously,

All of this comes down to an individual basis as well. Not every team is going to view every single one of these tackles as first round quality players. So, you know, when you get into a Troy Fautano versus a J.C. Leatham versus, you know, versus a Marius Mims, some teams are going to view all of three of those players a little bit differently. I was thinking about as just a thought experiment like the Andre Dillard pick. Just if you imagine that Andre Dillard was Jordan Milada. Like you use the first round pick on Andre Dillard and he sat for two years and turned to Jordan Milata.

That's complete. Would you, like, would you think that was a bad pick because he didn't play for two years? No, right? Like, he eventually took over and he's playing at a high level. And so, I mean, that's, it's not as easy as saying that, but you took your shots, you got a guy. I, like, the draft to me is about,

this is your chance for talent acquisition. And if you think that this is the best chance to get a pro bowl caliber tackle into your building, I am, like, you know, I love Terry and Arneuxie. Arnold, I think I'd love to have him. Aside from that, I would rather have one of these tackles, I think. And by the way, there's this kind of this revisionist history that sometimes takes place

with Elaine Johnson pick. When Eagles drafted Lane Johnson, Jason Peters was the left tackle and Ty Herrman's was the right tackle, right? Like, they were fine at that spot. It wasn't as if they needed an offensive tackle. But it was a strong offensive tackle year there, right? The first four picks were offensive tackles. The Eagles moved Harrermins to guard to a quarterback.

accommodate Lane Johnson, but the point was you could have said that year, why are they taking an offensive tackle? Like, you're set at these two positions. They viewed Lane as the eventual replacement for Jason Peters that actually never happened. But if you have a good player, you don't pass on a good player just because your depth chart might not have a glaring hole at that point. And I'll also add in, and again, if they took Justin Jefferson, then I wouldn't have said they forced wide receiver. But the point is, Ziegles waited for that draft to address wide receiver. And they took Jaylen Rager like to fit a specific role for that year.

And that was a poor way of thinking. So if you're saying and I mean, reasonable minds can disagree. But if you say the Eagles have this Super Bowl caliber roster, they just didn't need an upgrade at a corner, take the guy who's going to start day one. That to me is a flawed way of thinking. I agree. All right. Before we move on, let's talk about Bet Parks because today we are brought to you by the

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All right, let's pivot from the big picture conversation to the specific players in this draft. and Zach, we've talked about one of the nice things about having a general manager who's been in charge of 12 drafts as we have a larger sample size of like the kinds of things that might matter to him. So you did a little deep dive look back on the tackles at Howie has drafted to see if there were any common threads. What did you learn? Yeah, it's interesting. You brought this point up a few weeks ago that it's actually not a position that he's like heavily indexed in. Right.

And that surprised me. If you look at it, I'm including Tyler Steen and Jack Teriscoe on this list. But going back to when Howie became GM, 2012, Dennis Kelly was the first offensive tackle he took, then Lane Johnson, Halapulavati, Vaitai, Jordan Maelada, Matt Pryor, Andre Dillard, Prince Tega, Winogo, Jack Driscoll, and Tyler Steen. Lane.

Lane were first round picks. After that, the earliest they took on was Tyler Steen in the third round, and he was announced as a guard. Jack Driscoll, the fourth round, was kind of a tackle guard, versatile guy. So most of these had been later picks other than, of course, Lane Johnson, and Jack Driscoll.

All of them have been at least 6'5. That's not surprising. Your taller guys tend to play on the offensive line. Interestingly, Jason Peters would have been like the outlier in that group. Most of them, other than Jordan Milata, who's a big outlier, are older players. You're looking at 23, 24-year-old types as opposed to your 21, 22-year-old types. All big school guys, of course, except for Jordan Milata. you're looking at Alabama, Auburn, Washington, TCU, Oklahoma, Purdue.

You're not looking at any small school guys. In a lot of these cases, you're looking at long-arm players, Lane Johnson, 35 and a quarter-inch arm. Halapulibati, 34 and a quarter-inch arm. But what jumps out, but that's not always the case. The thing that really jumps out is the broad jump. I'm curious, Franz's opinion on this. They tend to take players in the higher percentile, like the top 10 percent, top 15 percent, in broad jump. But this is consistent regardless of round. From Lane Johnson, the Halapulipulavati.

So if you're taking a fifth round offensive tackle that's an outlier in the broad jump, it shows that this is something you value. And it extends even to someone like Jack Triscoll. Andre Dillard had a great broad jump. So that was interesting to me. And it seems to be of the testing metrics, something that they value just when you look at the sample size and where these guys ranked in broad jump. Fran, why might that be? Well, I think the big thing, whenever you're talking about, like, the draft measurables, maybe it's, you know, the famous one was Seattle during the Legion of Boom Days, the arm length, right? Sometimes that can be a threshold where it's like, okay, hey, you know what? Like, if he doesn't pass 32-inch arms, he's not, he's off the board.

I don't know whether or not that's the case with the broad jump metric that Zach is referring to, but I think when you're looking at the broad jump, what does it exemplify? It exemplifies lower body explosiveness, and I think for an offensive lineman, power, because those two things are kind of, you know, in lockstep there. And real quick, I guess one thing I'd love to talk about, when you're looking at offensive linemen, this is all prospects. You're talking about this with pass rushers as well, the difference between strength and power, and one way that it's been explained to me in the past by a strength coach, it's stuck with me because it's really a good visual is if you think of water, right, you think of Niagara Falls, that's most. water moving at an extremely high rate and moving, moving everything in its path. That is power, right?

But then if you take a glacier, you take an iceberg, that is strong. Nothing is moving a glacier, nothing is moving in iceberg. That is strength. So there are some guys that are strong but not powerful. There are some guys that are powerful but not strong. You love a guy that can be both.

Typically the guys that are both, that's when you're cooking with gas. That's typically a first round quad. You don't want a big, strong man. No, you want to take strong. A big, powerful man. You want a big, strong, powerful man. I'm just thinking about Jim and Pan's wedding when you said Niagara Falls, so that's what comes

to my mind. I was wondering why he were smiling over there when he said Niagara Falls. I didn't know what was going through your head. I was thinking of Jim and Pam's wedding. What dirty thing? Joey, were you thinking the same? Dirty thing. No.

It's like Jim and Pam's wedding. It's the most wholesome thing you could think about. I didn't know that at the time. Two people who were in love. Well, that's why I did that for Zach because it's an office reference. And then also you get the nonfiction work of the Titanic as well. well done well done that's pretty good um but that wasn't a documentary but it seemed like yeah but to me when you're looking at at offensive line qualities you know powerful powerful guys those are you're

talking about raising the ceiling of a player because to me like if you look at the elite offensive linemen in football for the most part those guys are powerful and typically also if you are a day three guy that goes and and has power in your repertoire uh typically those guys have a high floor like they're going to stick in the league. It's like a receiver or a corner who can run four-tooth or four-three. Those guys are going to get chances because they have the ability to move people off the ball. You can see guys get stronger over the course of their career. Lane Johnson, you remember that when he first came into the NFL,

he would get bull rushed back into the quarterback's pocket. You can get stronger in the NFL and hold your anchor a little bit better, hold up and pass. It might take some time, but it can get there. Power typically does not get better over the course of a guy's career. You can tweak things. Sometimes there are guys that, you know, they jump out of the gym. There's untapped power that doesn't always show itself on film.

But typically a guy does not get more powerful because you're talking about explosiveness in the body that typically does not improve. Just generally, broad jump versus vertical jump. Why would it show up in one versus the other? I have asked this question. People will definitely say, hey, it shows up in the vertical as well. Okay. But for whatever reason, I don't know if it's just because, like, you know, the vertical, you know, there are things involved from like the testing standpoint because you're working that, I forget the name of the poll that they use in terms of measuring the vert. But there are other factors at play that where it's like, oh, that can be a little bit wonky.

But the broad, like that, that's the one that people will swear about. The other thing I want to ask you about because, you know, maybe power is harder to teach than strength. They're harder to improve. When you are evaluating guys, like if we're talking about their hand usage or things like that, what is. teachable versus what is like that's a bit of a red flag i don't know if he can fix that pretty much all the hand stuff is teachable okay like any almost all that stuff and now it requires a player to be coachable sure right so you know you hope that that is the case but uh all of that stuff and that's why honestly a lot of scouts like you know it's not necessarily important for them to know like all the technical

inner workings of positions because uh you know in theory it's about like the body types yes exactly it's about the physical traits and so uh if you see you know what, this guy, and we'll say like a Tyler Guyton, for instance, from Oklahoma. This guy is a 6-7, 324 pounds, former tight end who grew into his body and is extremely athletic on film, and the power and the strength are all there. Like all the traits are there, the technique's a little bit inconsistent. Kingsley Sua Mataiya from BYU, same kind of deal, where, you know what, all the traits are there, the technique's a little bit up and down, but like if you can coach him up, wow, like,

Amarius Mims from Georgia, same kind of idea where it's not all pretty. He's only got eight starts under his belt in the SEC, but if you can coach him up to say like, okay, now it's about doing it repeatedly down after down, now you're cooking with something there. And that's why those kind of guys are going to catch a lot of eyes over the course of the draft process.

All right. Let's sort of bang through these seven guys who are either at 22 or higher. I think we can sort of push Joe Alt to the side because it seems like he'll be out of the conversation, you know, the egos aren't going to go up that high. So the next six guys, let's start with the guy who we didn't really touch about,

touch on as much last week, the best broad jump of them all, Troy Fautano, and there's that, you know, there's that meme of Jeff Stoutland sort of like looking at him, moving at the combine. When I watch these guys, just like looking at the way they move,

he was my favorite. I mean, that doesn't mean anything, but just, I mean something. Give yourself great. You're not sure of the way he moves. Tell me about Fatano. And also, this is a guy who could potentially play a guard, right? Yeah, a stoop server, not just a practical, but like offensive line.

Yes, exactly. The proof is in the pudding. Yeah, yeah, he's not over watching seven on seven. He's watching one-on-one. All day. Here's what I'll say about Troy Falunuch. The play speed, the explosiveness, the twitch off the ball, I would say it's probably the most impressive of this entire offensive line group.

And so it was not shocking to see him look so good in Indianapolis at the Combine, because when you watch him on film, his ability to just get out of his stance and go, is as impressive as anybody. And a lot of people will say that that is as important of any trait in the offensive line. Get off of a get out of your stance and get to your spot. Pass protection, run blocking, the whole deal. He's got outstanding movement skills, great range, some outstanding highlight blocks in space. You watch him in the screen game.

Some really, really fun plays from that standpoint. But then also with Falunu, it's the toughness aspect is impressive. He's played both left tackle and left guard. Some people feel like he can play center. I know he's done some work in the pre-draft process on the right side. He's never done it in the game, but that potential five-position flexibility is really, really important for him moving forward. Technically sound, this is a guy that has been really well coached in the past.

To be honest, like anywhere from like 10 until 18, 19, 20, I know he's been very commonly mocked to Seattle just because the coaching staff connection there. They hired the officer coordinator and the O-line coach from Washington there with the Seahawks. So it seems like that might be the first. floor in terms of where he could get drafted, but Seattle has been one of the more harder teams to predict in the NFL draft. Now, I should say that he's a little bit shorter than the, the, relative term, the threshold that you talked about for the Eagles, he's under 6'4.

But 34.5 inch arms. Yes, right. So he's short, but he's very long. Yes, exactly. What do you, what do you make of the young man from Washington? Although not as young, we'll be 24 as rookie. Yeah, don't, uh, look, I'm not as high on him as the two of you are. And I'll defer to you guys.

We'll get to some of the others that are kind of more. my type. I wonder, I don't want to say maxed out, but like you're talking about someone who really needed to develop when he was at Washington. He wasn't an early starter there. He was a redshirt guy who was a reserve who was like a part-time starter and works his way up to being one of the top offensive tackles in the country last year was a left tackle for one year, I believe, at Washington. You're not talking about, you know, some of these guys. And again, it might be my bias to like, you know, top recruits or like day one starters, but it wasn't like this, this no question talent. It was, it was the type of thing where you wonder, developmentally,

what you're getting on, on day one is the player you're getting on, on, on your five, right? Whereas I tend to lean more towards some of these, you know, quote unquote upside guys. Yeah, I mean, if he is a guard, you know, I don't love using a first round pick on a guard who's going to be 24 as a rookie that, you know, that's not my kind of value resource. I mean, not quite. Not quite, but as on its face absurd as that. But yeah. So anyway, let's keep moving down the list here.

J.C. Latham, who we did talk about last week, the opposite of that is going to be 21 as a rookie. Just like my first gut, like, I didn't love the way he's moving. Like he's a little bit sort of like clunky. But, I mean, the profile is great. Tell me more about J.C. Latham, Frank. Well, you're talking about like a 25 to 30 pound difference. between Falun and Latham. So that would account for some of the clunkiness that you were referring to.

Some people do think he'd be better at guard than a tackle. He has played both. He began his career as a guard at Alabama when he first got there in 2021. One thing that stands about Latham, he is both strong and powerful. So when guys get into his chest and try and bullrush him back, there is a futile effort. He is not going to get moved off of his spot. And Alabama's offensive line, I know, Zach, you watch a lot of common. college football. You watch those playoff games with Alabama over the last couple of years.

His ability to come off the ball and move people is as impressive as anybody in this class. So, yeah, like he's tough and physical. He brings that tone-setting demeanor, but that shows up on film in terms of his ability to move SEC defensive lineman against their will. When everybody else knows they're going to run the ball, he's got the ability to move guys off their spot. That's what is really impressive to me about J.C. Latham is that power element to his game. Yeah, he strikes me as someone who could start at right guard for you, day one and then play right tackle. Poor Tyler Steen.

Well, he was actually... Position cut by his former teammate. Yeah, he was the other side. And, yeah, young, but just huge, like, really productive. And he's the guy who if he's there at 22, I think it's a really strong pick. We talked about him last week as a trade-up candidate, but he's a day one contributor who has year three, year four pro bow upside. It's a good profile.

Number one offensive line in the country. So Zach, you know. We know he likes that. Okay. Let's keep moving up. The other guy, the last guy who is a potential guard fit, and that's Talise Fuanga. Yes. Who does seem like, you know, Jeremiah loves this guy, Daniel Jeremiah.

He wants him to go top ten. I don't know if the league will agree with that. Give us the book on Fuanga. Fuanga is a two-year starter at Oregon State at right tackle. He has, I believe, played, no, he has not played any guard in a game, so he's only been a right tackle. But a lot of people do feel like he can slide inside the guard. He's got that mentality in terms of the way he plays.

plays. The body type may speak more to offensive guard as well, just north of 33-inch arms. So that's about the threshold that some teams have for us. Just under 6-6-6-324. Yeah, so built more like a guard. But to me, I think he does have that ability to play offensive tackle in the league. Probably more on the right side, just in terms of what his experience has been. But again, you're talking about another player who is both strong and powerful. So the Pac-12 pass rushers had a lot of trouble moving through him. But then also, he he really created a lot of movement as a as a run blocker as well. He is regarded as probably the best run blocker in this class, excellent in the screen game and on the move, but it's not just

all like on power, watch him move guys against their will. Zone run game, he is really well refined and also can move people on his own, like I mentioned. So I think he is scheme versatile in that way. It'll just be a matter of like the position versatility, how you view him in a vacuum moving forward. But I think he's certainly one of the more high floor players in this offensive line group. I'm curious your thoughts on my. I also want to point out we have a super chat up there as well. A very generous one. Yeah.

Brazilian sicko, love your work, guys. Turkeys to the kingdom, Eagles not drafting offensive line with at least one of their first three draft picks. I actually kind of feel like if they don't draft one in the first, I'm not so sure that they're going to, I don't think that they need to draft one in the second with either of those two picks. And so I would say I would put, I'd put 40 turkey. he's on that. Yeah, 35, I would say. When's the last time they didn't spend a day one or day two choice on an offensive alignment?

It's been a handful of years. Well, yeah, but those guys are still here. Yeah. So that's, uh, 20, 20, January or January, Jan one hurts. That would be the last one. Yeah. Okay.

See, that's a good one. That's a, I, yeah. And Daveon Tower was the other. Yeah. I just, I, you know, we talked about how deep the class is, but I don't know, I don't know if you need. To me that the appeal of the position is that this is your chance in the first round to get

a guy. I don't think that it's a striking need that if you don't get him in the first, you got to make sure you get one on the second. I think you can take a guy on, you can take two guys on day three. So your view on Fuaga, because I'll talk more on Mims when he comes up? Yeah, I mean, I saw the powerfulness. I like

I like the nastiness in the run game. He didn't seem like a special athlete to me. but I'm not you know I haven't crushed you know eight games of all 22 so one interesting Eagles note with him just speaking with him at the combine he you know a lot of guys will get asked oh like who do you talk with in the league and Oregon State hasn't been like a huge NFL pipeline he said I don't really talk to anybody in the NFL really at all the only person would be Isaac Samalo and obviously a former Oregon State alum and so they they have had a close

relationship Isaac's gone back to campus and they've kept in touch over the years It's a real page turner of that conversation. I was going to say, you know, this must be, what kind of conversation is that this must be. Very interesting. All right. I don't know that we need to spend too much time on Olu Fashanu. Fashanu, I believe, as Daniel Gowan told us. But I do want to ask you, do you care about small hands?

Only if it shows up on film as an issue. That's how I feel about all of that stuff, whether it's a quarterback small hands or a corner's long arm or short arms, you know, a defensive lineman short arms. If it shows up as an issue on film, then that's a problem because if it was an issue in college, then it'll continue being an issue. It's only going to get harder. So if Olu has figured out how to work a block with eight and a half inch hands, then I think he'll continue that. Dan P in the chat said earlier, hopefully ZB doesn't Google teachable hand stuff, which is what Fran mentioned earlier, which speaks to draft talking sometimes.

Yeah, draft jargon is. You know what they say about guys with small handsack? What do they say? Small gloves. Ah, there you go. Okay. Yes. Okay. Why don't you tell us about Amarius Mims from Georgia? Well, I mean, you're talking about a big man here.

Amarius Mims who only has eight career stars at Georgia. Almost 6-8, 340, 36, and 1-8th-inch arms, which are very long. I mean, you're talking about when the Eagles drafted Jordan Mila, there was this talk like, you know, clay to mold, right? similar concept with Amarius Mims in that he has eight starts including he played in the college football playoffs right but you're talking about a young guy who physically is there there's a you know he can move well for his size

the combine showed up but when you watch the game there's a game I think it was Georgia Tech and he's he's running down the right sideline on a screen and like a 6-8 340 pound guy or whatever it may be shouldn't be moving like that that has the long arms. And like just he, I mean, to me, he, he has tools to be a franchise offensive tackle. And it might require patience, which the Eagles have.

But I just, if you want to swing for the fence, and I like swinging for the fence in the first round, Marius Mims is your home run swing. You know, when I watched him in the summer in August, the first player I thought of was Jordan Maillata. And it was, if Jordan Milata, when he came up from Australia, he entered the, International Pathway Program. You know, he was doing the deal down at IMG Academy. If he had decided, you know what,

instead of going right into the NFL, I'm going to go to college. I know there were been teams that had tried to talk to him in terms of going that route. If he had done this and, you know, kind of followed this path. This is the way we would have talked

about Jordan Milata if he had come out as a two-year player in college. You know, look, Ameris Mims played in 30 games, eight starts. When he got the, he had an ankle injury back in, I want to say it was late September, early October, ended up getting tight rope surgery. And I thought, all right,

he's going to go on the shelf there's no way he's going to come out after the season. Well, he came back to play at the end of the year, which it's surprising. And honestly, kudos to him for gutting it out and coming back to play. And then he said he's going to declare for the draft. I was shocked because you typically don't see this position with this small sample size drafted that high. It is very, very rare for an offensive line with eight starts with under 900 snaps played at the collegiate level to get drafted, period, much less in the first three rounds or much less in the top 20 picks. So just he is an outlier from that sense.

That said, I mean, like Jordan, he is so well put together. The height, weight, athleticism, the length, the power, the strength, literally, all the physical traits you talk about in wanting an offensive lineman. Amarius Mims has it. He's a guy who did well in the broad, but not well in the vertical jump. Yes. So that was kind of a weird outlier there from that standpoint. Because typically, guys, you know, even if you're 90th percentile in the broad, you'll be like 80th percentile in the bird if it's a bad. if it's a bad one, but he kind of had a weird one there.

But again, I do think people prioritize the broad a little bit more than the ver. There was an episode of Survivor this season where this woman like does not know how to jump. Like she's like practicing being able to jump. Yeah, I had the same reaction. And then they showed a clip of it and it was one of the funniest things they've ever seen. She literally could not figure out how to jump. Amarius Mims 19th percentile vertical jump, 85th percentile broad jump. just can't jump up, but no.

I also want to add to, because the Georgia thing keeps coming up, keeps coming up. I don't know if, like, the Eagles are, like, barring to this idea of, like, only taking Georgia guys, you know, there's, they certainly know the program. They know the pluses and minuses of it. Now, one thing to point out is that they've, they've taken defensive guys from Georgia. So maybe there's, there's a difference there. They obviously, Dom DeSandro has a good sense of the off-the-field, like personality and, and, and kind of what goes on at Georgia.

But I will also say, like, the reason why the Eagles take players from Georgia is Georgia gets the best players, right? If you just look at the recruiting classes from the last five years, Georgia cleans up. So Amarius Mims, like fits that in that. It's not like the Eagles are saying, we only want to take players from Georgia. They're saying we want to take, like, the best players. You know, Georgia has guys who are physically, you know, Kirby Smart has a type. they don't have a lot of like you know 510 180 pound guys there like they have like you know guys who who are five stars for a reason yeah but i sort of do it does make me a little skeptical not that like you shouldn't draft him marius mims because he came from georgia but like if it's if it continues along this like path line of this like convenient narrative like oh like we're so much smarter than the rest of the league we can they the rest of the league didn't consider drafting guys from georgia look how well it worked out well first of all it hasn't worked out that great for some of those guys i don't

I just, it's not a reason, it's not a logical reason for me to dislike Emeris Mims, but I'm a little bit, if they drafted him in the first round and then they start pounding out like Georgia, the Philadelphia Bulldogs, I'm like, okay, let's, well, to your point, I mean, they've, they've drafted four here. And of those four, there's only one who I would say, like, with, with complete confidence is going to be a starter for them two, three years from now, right? Other than that, there's, there's question marks all across the board. And Mims is, like this is a guy who is going to be drafted and is going to have to

sit. Like he's not going to play guard. He's only going to be available if Lane Johnson gets hurt and it is an investment. You know what? I feel like the hope with him is Orlando Brown. That's the guy who... See, I think he's more athletic, man. Really? Yeah, he's a really impressive athlete for that side. That's why

I compare it to Jordan. I told you we were at breakfast. Unfortunately, the name I wrote down was was like a little better than King Dunlap. No, see, he's a... Look, he's not going to be confused with Troy Falunu from an athletic standpoint, but again, at 6-7, 340 pounds. There aren't a lot of people that move that way. Okay. The other guy and the last guy we'll talk about in this group who was another tackle-only guy is Tyler Guyton from Oklahoma. Eagle spent some time with him at the Senior Bowl.

Now, he fits the thing that we talked about last week, Zach, where he's a little bit older and is still projectable. He's going to be 23 as a rookie. Probably a bit of a red flag that he didn't play earlier. I mean, he was at TCU. He was at Oklahoma for two years and didn't really lock down a job until this year. But, like, watching him, like, I see it with him much more. Like, he is really athletic in space. He goes and gets guys. And it's kind of like an interesting body type,

but I liked him with the Senior Bowl, too. I'm sort of in on him, but I don't know if I would use 22 on him. Yeah, at TCU in 2021. So he's only been at Oklahoma the last two years. He was kind of like a part-time. He was like a blocking tight end, essentially, for them. And kind of a movable piece that way.

Didn't really move full-time to the offensive line until he arrived at Oklahoma two years ago. So in 2020, his first year on campus. That's when he backed up two draft picks last year that honestly he's a better prospect than both of those guys. So when he moved to the offensive line

and said, all right, you know what, you're going to kind of take your time here. He ended up starting five of ten games, one at left tackle, four at right tackle. So you love the proven versatility there. Ended up starting nine of ten games played this past year at right tackle. Definitely not a finished product, but you see the athleticism, you see the power,

you see some strength, as we alluded to earlier. I think he's a little bit more powerful than strong at this point. He does need to get a little bit better in terms of taking on bull rushes. But this is a guy who's a really rangy run blocker. He's got the feet and pass protection. Things to clean up, but certainly traits there to develop. Yeah, like him. Don't love him, but certainly wouldn't knock the pick. Would ideally be like a trade-down situation? Although I can certainly justify there at 22. You would have to weigh, I think, the age thing, the development curve to a certain respect.

I mean, there's so many good offensive tackles like Kingsley Lake that you mentioned who are in that 21-year-old range where you say, like, physically, what's their body going to be two years from now? What's their development going to be two years from now that if you're taking a 23-year-old, you tend to want them to be, like, ready to play day one. Now that that's not always the case, but if you feel Tyler Gutton can play day one, then, yeah, certainly go ahead. People have made the comparison to Lane Johnson, obviously because the story is somewhat similar in terms of coming to Oklahoma, late blue. or, you know, converted offensive lineman. It should be noted. Like, Lane went to the officer to the senior bowl was one of the best players in Mobile that week.

It was outstanding. And then went to the combine and blew up the combine. Guyton had a good day. Like his RAS, his relative athletic score, according to Mathbaum on Twitter, 9.62. It's a good score. They would characterize that as an elite athlete. That's a good number compared to offensive linemen.

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first pitch terms applied that's code f i r s t p i tc h for 20 hours off from march 25th to april 14th so through this weekend only download the game time app today last minute ticket's lowest price guaranteed all right zach uh you know we've got we've got fran here we want to make the use of it yeah we can go a little longer if it's okay we're going to pound through some day two day three options you and i have both come up with some guys we think yeah whether maybe it fits for the eagles or we like them you want to go first yeah i will go first. And my day two offensive

tackle is Blake Fisher. And I'm curious what you guys think here. Blake Fisher's the right tackle for Notre Dame. Interestingly, he arrived to be like the left tackle as a true freshman. He got hurt. Joe Walt comes in, right? But Blake Fisher, to me, I mean, you're talking about young developmentally, but he

has, the way I see it, tools to be a starting offensive tackle. I actually think he can play guard early on just in terms of the skill set. but like the playing profile, like the athletic profile, good broad jump, like the size profile for a big-time recruit. And I look at Blake Fisher. If you're not taking a guy round one, you want to take a swing round two on someone who has

legitimate playing experience, so not a project in terms of like you've seen him play and can fit in terms of that right tackle, potential, right guard, but still has a lot of upside. You can argue Blake Fisher has has like football tools that Joe Alt doesn't. So I'm going Blake Fisher. Yeah, I mean, Fisher I think checks a lot of boxes. Certainly from the physical trait standpoint that you mentioned, we'll check the box from an athleticism standpoint. I think the play strength is solid. He can get bumped off track a little bit. I don't think he's a power player right now, but I think when you look at his ability to get out in space and he can protect the corner, all of that is good. The technical aspects of the game, I think are areas where he

can get a little bit inconsistent, and that has led to up and down play on the field. I know he got benched at one point this year after giving up a sack. He's had some issues with that in the past. That said, there are some people, there are some scouts around the NFL that are pretty high on him. So he's got some fans. We'll see how high he ends up going. But I do think day two, you know, late round two, early round three, that's probably the earliest we'll hear for Blake Fisher. Danilo Carvalio says we did eight out of ten on the pronunciation.

Hopefully I got up to nine on that one. Thank you for the super chat. My guy is the guy we already talked about, Roger Rosengarten, the right tackle from Washington. A little bit undersized, just under 6.6.308. Guard versatility, 22 in June. I kind of like what I saw from R squared. Yeah, he's a guy that has some power traits to him,

but it's just not there consistently. And I think as he continues to get bigger, you would say, okay, that power might come along with it. The feet are outstanding. He's a light-footed place. I thought he had a solid week down in Mobile. So Rex Ryan's going to like him. Well, yeah.

I'll let you go out. I think that like... That most men would like to do a lot of things with those feet. Like Fisher, I think there are some technique things that can get worked out. But again, those are things that can improve moving to the NFL. You know, if you are big, and I know the person to my right is not big into these numbers, but if you are one that tracks some of the statistical services like a pro football focus, was never credited with a sack over the course of his career, started.

28 games a little bit more than Blake Fisher and was never accredited with the sack. Now, part of that is Michael Pennix was very, very good at not taking sacks and not taking those negative plays. I'm more willing to trust that than, you know, coverage rate. Sure. Some nonsense like that. Well, but Rosencarten has been a very productive player. The traits are there. He is the classic player that I think will be viewed, you know, whenever he, when he does get drafted and the GM or the head coach, whoever speaks afterwards, we'll say if he had gone back for another year, he would have been a first round pick a year from now. Joe Kruger.

I think Rosengarten, I think, is one of those guys. Okay. All right, who do you got on day three, Zach? Day three, I'm going Walter Rouse. Okay, Walter Rouse from Oklahoma. You're talking about someone, and he transferred from Stanford. Stanford, yep. 52 career starts, right?

And I was talking to Fran about this in there. There's sometimes this idea that, like, on, you know, you're trying to get starters with every pick. Sometimes when you're talking about day three, if you get like a, a good, solid swing tackle. You get Jack Triscoll is a fine fourth round. That's really good value. And Walter Rouse is someone who I think can be,

now he always starts, you know, 52 starts came at left tackle. But he can be that reserve tackle for you. He's done it at a high level. He's the one who kept Tyler Guyton on the right side. He was the starting left tackle at Oklahoma. He was like a day one starter at Stanford. And, you know, those are two schools that produce high-level offensive of lineman. He has, you know, the necessary size, terrific arm length. And then off the field,

you're talking about intangibles. Like, this is a guy who checks every box, I mean, from D.C. How do you know? Okay. He was, he was an Eagle Scout. He was, I think he was a biomedical engineering major at Stanford. He worked at the Proman Hospital here at the University of Pennsylvania, like just pristine off the, you know, in terms of, uh, um, he worked at the proman. Um, uh, the, um, the proman. some of these intangibles off the field jumps off the screen there so the kind of i think that from a football perspective 52 starts at left tackle at stanford and in oklahoma fits the size criteria like you you wouldn't say he's spectacular but has been really solid and then off the field i like everything uh that i've i've heard about and have great respect for everyone at the

promen institute at university of pennsylvania his best season came this year uh in terms of like a again, getting back to some of those production metrics. Like if you look just solely at that, his best year was this year at Oklahoma. And it was his fifth year, like a true fifth year player. So he is one of the super seniors that we've seen over the course of the last couple seasons after every collegiate athlete got that extra year

of eligibility from the NCAA due to COVID-19. We're going to be running out of those here in a couple of years. And so I'll be interested to see that the sample size of those players. And there are a handful in this draft, but that got that extra year, Darius Robinson comes to mind, year from Missouri where you know if COVID-19 never happened right and he came out last year right yeah he if that had never happened uh darius robinson the pass rusher for Missouri comes out in the

NFL draft and it's probably a late day three pick based off traits he had like four career sacks or something like that up to that point goes back for that extra year and was lights out and now he's being talked about in the first round there are a couple of guys like that here this year and walter rouse to an extent kind of fits in that bucket in that uh you know his years at stanford were solid but unspectacular, and then this past year at Oklahoma was very, very efficient. Yeah, sometimes you look for people who have had surgeries. I look for someone who can actually perform the surgery. I think you're going to put together one of the worst football teams of all time, if that's the case.

All right, I'm going to throw a few names at you here. Because at first, when I was sort of filtering by, let's look at the profiles and then watch them, see how they move. One guy that I did really like was Garrett Greenfield from South Dakota State. 6-6-3-11. He's going to be 24 as a rookie, but tested very well, and I did like the way that he moved on the field. Tall, he's long, good-looking kid from that standpoint.

The athleticism certainly, the athleticism certainly in Indianapolis. I would say, like, on film, the athleticism didn't always show up. But I think that when you, again, he's one of these guys that, you know, when you get into day three, if an offensive line coach loves him, then I think you're going to see him kind of float up because he's got those traits. think he will last long on day three. UCF's Thailand Grable, 6-6-306, another great broad jump.

Yes, high school quarterback, so didn't play, and then showed up and he was a tight end initially at Jacksonville State. And so he played offensive linemen at Jacksonville State, moved to the O line there, then transferred to UCF and played there the last three, two seasons with UCF. They moved to the Big 12 this year.

And like Rouse, this was his best year. So if you look, you know, from over the course of the body of his career, he would have been viewed as like a traits prospect, where the film never really showed up. This past year was his best. He goes to the combine and blows the doors off of every single workout metric.

Like Greenfield, I think it's just a matter of like he's got to tighten up a lot of things from a technical standpoint. But as we said earlier in the conversation, if that's your biggest issue, then you feel like that can be correctable. And I think when you get to day three, that's the kind of shot you take.

You talk about moldable balls of clay, 68353 Howard's Anim Danqua. What a great name. 35-inch arms. So he's got the length as well. I feel like that's a good, like you're like a college pot dealer. Like I got that Danqua. Anybody looking for that Dancua?

I got it. Speaking from experience? No. But I think that's like, that's good. If you saw cookies. At Denkwa. Insomnia cookies. But no.

Side order of Danqua. Yeah. Look, you would know better than me on that one. He's got a strong, he's really strong. And again, coming from Howard, lower level of competition, does he dominate that level of competition? I think at times you do see that with Danqua. So most of his starts have come at left tackle, but he has started at both guard spots as well.

So you love that position flexibility, the size and the strength are all there with Dancoe. All right, the last one, every day we come in to this office. And Vince, dear Vince is talking to us. He's like, I don't know, that Yale kid. I like that Yale kid. Give me that Yale kid every single day. Vince, how you doing?

I want that yell kid. Yes. You went on the Yale kid? I'm in on the Yale kid. So Karan Amagaji. Nice. Good job. Karan Amagaji from Yale.

Redshirt Jr., who declared for the draft, 36-inch long arm. So outstanding length, 6-5, 323 pounds, has only started 24 games in the Ivy League. So small sample at a lower level of competition, right? Show the ability to dominate, and he is an outstanding athlete. What kills me about Amagaji is that he had an injury mid-season that, ended his this past year. So he couldn't go to the Senior Bowl, got invited, couldn't go,

did not work out at the Combine. He ended up doing a workout, I think it was two weeks ago, during the week of the owners meetings. I believe he did a private pro day up there. And so he got a chance to work out, but you would have loved for him to be able to go like side by side with some of his peers, especially down at the Senior Bowl.

You get to see him going up against a better level of competition. If he had done that and performed well, I think we're talking like day two all day, because the traits on film are really, really intriguing. Things to clean up, absolutely, but guys that are that big that move as well as he does on tape, they're very hard to find. And so that was what was most upsetting to me.

I went to indie not knowing if he was going to be able to work out. And I was wondering, oh, like, we couldn't see him in Mobile, but if you could see him go back to back to back with some of these other guys, he would have been right next to Joe Alt in the workout because it's all alphabetical. To be able to see him go, like Joe Alt go and then see him go. Like it would have been nice to be able to see that. Obviously, we couldn't. but the tape is really, really intriguing.

And then we have to give a shout out to local players too. Probably the top local offensive tackle. If we count Robbinsville local, up by Trenton, on your way to Princeton, Caden Wallace from Penn State. Right next to Batman'sville, right? No, but I see what you're doing there. I'm curious France to take on it, but I'll just say Caden Wallace was a starter at Penn State,

tested well in the broad jump, and off the field. if after football or football doesn't work out, he wants to run a Fortune 500 company. Off my board. Right up Zach's board. That's Caden Wallace for you. I'm curious. I'm curious your thoughts on Caden Wallace.

He is like the inverse of Walter Rouse in that he has played only right tackle. Wallace. Wallace Caden, actually. But when you look at Caden Wallace, he's been a right tackle only. The production and the tape has just been okay with him over the course of his left tackle

is a top 15 pick. Oh, a fashioner, yes. But in terms of like, all right, projecting him moving forward, it's always tough to say like, okay, well, this guy can come in to be a backup, but if he's only played right tackle only. So this off season, he was at the Shrine Bowl,

but you would like to see, okay, like, can you do more than play right tackle? Let's see left tackle reps. Can you play some guard? That's all stuff that he worked on, not just during the All-Star game process, but then going to the private workouts and certainly the pro day,

teams wanted to see. he, you know, does he have that ability to be able to slide inside or go over to the left side? I feel like there's a lot of people saying, oh, man, too much football talk in this episode. This has, this has been just two deaths. This is my, I mean, it's taken us seven months for this kind of show. It's been awesome. We've got to feel like we've got to get some. How do you feel about the stories of Zach walking upstairs?

What's your take on the? You know, I thought about weaving in, like when I was talking about, like, power and strength. Like, you know, power is, like, creating momentum. like Zach going up seven flights of steps. But I just couldn't, I couldn't connect the dots well enough. So I thought, you know, I'll just leave that on the cutting room floor. That's absurd. I saw a commenter on iTunes saying that they had the same strategy.

So kindred spirits in that regard. Did you do that from your phone or from your laptop? I did not post that. I would never do an anonymous comment like that. Never. No. You can't comment on yourself. You can't.

It's like stuffing the ballots, if you will. You can't do that. I mean, you wouldn't vote for yourself if you were running for election? Well, that's a little different. I mean, but, yeah, I wouldn't give an anonymous iTunes comment about our show. If you had to run for political office, what political office would you run for? Well, he'd just run for president, right? I just take that.

Well, that is the furthest he is gone. What is the most he'll ever get out of him? Take that way. Yeah. I mean, but... Wow. I mean, you would love to be Jed Bartlett one day, right? No, I'd rather be a real life human beings.

No, but no, I do want to say, though, in terms of all... I said the other day, I should apologize to our viewers. I was... I made the earthquake reference the other day. I was kind of trying... I was saying it somewhat ingest. A YouTube commenter referenced the horrible earthquake. in India and kind of, you know, the, what has occurred there.

And so by no means was I trying to make light of earthquakes. I violated one of my main roles for the show, which is like, don't speak about what you don't have education about. And so I should just be, I want to be forthright about that. Well, you did say, like, if you had the, like, knowledge of knowing that it was a to be safe. Yeah, still, yeah. However, it was not in India.

It was in Taiwan. We're going to just say. Sorry about that. Sorry. We're going to worry about that. Sorry, I meant Taiwan. I meant Taiwan. I apologize.

He's not going to sleep for like three days now. Yeah. I apologize. I apologize. I think, well, okay. I want to end it on that. We've got to stick around. You tell us about Jurassic Park.

Oh, everyone wants you about Jurassic Park. Jurassic Park went great. Yes. Kate, you know with a scene where the guy gets, the guy's trying to hide from the T-Rex and he gets eaten on the, classic. On the toilet. It was like the funniest thing Casey did ever see.

He was laughing so hard. And then I'm laughing so hard and Rachel's sitting there like, what is wrong with these two men? Like, she's like scared and we're, she's seen the movie before. And so we were just like, when any time the T-Rex was terrorizing, we were just both laughing so hard. It worked out very well. Yeah, I mean, he thought it was a comedy, essentially.

Was there any moment where he was, kind of like clenched up a little bit. You know it was at the very end you know when like when the velocity they're hiding in the kitchen and the velocirons are coming it's something he was scared he was just more quiet it was not later at night so he could have just been tired but yeah he was he was not traumatized by that at all I remember the first time I watched it as a kid so it came out I mean we were like third grade fourth grade is right my dad went to the movies to see it first say like all right it's good for the kids are good for them to be able to see and then we watched it

we waited for it to come out on tape he bought it home and we all watched it together I remember the Dlophisora scene was the one that got where I was like, oh, like early on when Newman gets it. Yes. Yeah, I mean, it's such a well-made movie. Like they, even for kids, like, you know, like the lawyer is obviously you can tell

not like not a good guy, so it's fine. And like the pacing of it all and it's, I don't know, it's, I thought it was really good. By far, I mean, it's the best of all of the Jurassic Park movie. I mean, it's not even close. That's a film. The rest of them are just franchise BS. And they all, they like,

look the best too, in my opinion. I would agree. Or I would say. What's your pick tonight? Yukon. Yukon, yeah. Okay. Yeah.

You're speaking with your heart or your head there. I don't really have like an affinity for Yukon basketball. Just Yukon women's hockey. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I'm, I think, I think Yukon, but I think Purdue's an awesome story after losing. Yeah, but that story's already been told, you know. Yeah, but still, I mean, I, actually, I think Yukon's going to win.

Aesthetically, I really do not enjoy watching Zeki. play. I'm not taking anything away from him, like the accolades, but like I do not enjoy watching him play college basketball. Okay. Well, this is your last time. You'll watch him play college basketball tonight. I think that's fine. But yeah, it should be a good game. You know, that I think, you know, those two in Houston were the top teams all all the way through. Some idiot pick Kentucky to win. Kentucky to win. Yeah. Yes, we're down. We're down to the champion of our bracket. I'll pull it up in a second to see who the two possible winners are. Zach, who do you think is going to get the Kentucky job?

So I would watch out for Billy Donovan. If he were to leave the NBA, that was always kind of Kentucky's dream hire. You're hearing a lot about Nate Oates. Nate Oates is terrific. I mean, I actually did a deep dive on Nate Oates. Well, I already knew a lot about Nate Oates, but actually Michael Schwimmer, he used to play for the Phillies and kind of his involvement in the Alabama program. I was reading a few stories about that Saturday morning.

Alabama is an interesting program. What Nate Oates is done in Buffalo and Alabama is awesome. You hear the connections that Barnhart D.A.D. has to Scott Drew at Beller, so you watch out there. But, I mean, I think that you have to call Billy Donovan, given what's going on with the Bulls this season and the fact that he's been the dream candidate at Kentucky. Looks like it's down to, why is this not updating now? Adam P if Yukon wins And

Alex A If Purdue wins And you'll have a spot on the show Not permanently But you can make an appearance Yeah Yeah And you know

Is Akos signed a picture of his feet? I will That's a weird I mean No No no no no no no no no no no no No Friend what can

What can drafts Look forward to getting from you content wise Leading into the draft Yeah so I You know Just follow me on Twitter At Eagles XOs and we'll continue to cover in terms of like the prospects of notes,

certainly when the Eagles are making picks. I'll be posting some analysis on there. All right. Looking forward to it. Thank you so much for coming in. Absolutely. And a nice little breakfast ahead of time around the corner. That was fun.

Got to take a look at the studio. Good to see you. Beautiful. I love being here. Appreciate it. All right. So for Fran and Zach, that'll do it for this episode of the Ph.L.Y. Eagles podcast back tomorrow talking edge rushers.

We're going to have Deonté Lee joining. us for a little bit, getting into the the leitau, leitau, latu. Leatu, Latu. I wasn't close. Yes. The leita. Leia tae. Laatu.

Yeah, that is like making me. The hymns of the world. The L squares of the world as we head into this draft. So thanks everybody for watching and listening. We will talk to you tomorrow again at noon. And as always, we love you. Thank you.