PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | What stage of roster building are the Philadelphia Eagles in?

Episode Date: February 20, 2024

Looking back at recent Howie Roseman offseason plans, which most resembles what figures to be the team’s operating procedure this offseason? There’s a lot of work to do, but they still consider themselves Super Bowl contenders. Does that mean going all-in on high-priced free agents or taking a step back to let the young guys play?Zach Berman is back with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind and joins Bo Wulf to discuss his simmering Eagles thoughts and hopefully show off a bodacious tan. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

from gallivanting across the globe. We've got lots to talk about. He's got takes that have been just bubbling up within him that he needs to get out. Zach, how are you? Doing great. Excited to be on the show. Missed it.

I appreciate Rich, holding down the fort. Thank you to Rich. You'll get to do a show with him on Friday. I look forward to that and knew the shows were entertaining. I was keeping show notes. There were times, there were two times when I was away when Emily said, what are you laughing at? I had the headphones.

I had the headphones or the iPods in the ear. And I was like, I'm listening to the show. And she said, you can't get away from it. And I said, nor do I want to, right? So I'm excited to be back. I enjoyed those three shows. But much to discuss were a week out from Combine activity. So this is a lull in the schedule.

I've seen some other NFL reporters say, like, this is the quietest week now for a while. right these two weeks probably so in between the two weeks in between the Super Bowl and then the combine and then once the combine starts then you got the combine then a week before free agency then you got free agency then you got the owners meetings and then you're deep into the draft and then you got the office so so like basically you're going full throttle until let's say May mid-May June at that point so so I'm not saying this is a slow period we still have a lot to discuss, but, but it picks up quite a bit next week.

Slower, that is what you're saying. What are the things that made you laugh? Well, when I logged on yesterday, I saw the, I saw Don Swelensky's photo. That made me love. Rich and I were like laughing very much before the show started. Yeah. And I said, wait, are they talking about Don? And then, because I just saw the photo that I saw President's Day.

And then I put it together. And then, look, I got some thoughts on that. But that, and then there were, I laughed that there were. I laughed that there was a bad joke or not a bad joke but when you were talking about Michael Clay's extension and Rich and Rich is making a point about special teams and he talked about coverage

and you said coveyage Yes that was actually a really good joke and he said what and then Joyo was laughing Yes and Covey Ridge yes and I've been there before when you're in the middle of something and then Bo makes it

joke and you have to say and there's sometimes when beau has a really funny line and you just laugh and there are other times when i'm not saying it's not funny you just you just don't quite get it at the moment and then so rich was like what you know and you said covey it's like britain covey ridge covey ridge yes you got to get it right otherwise it doesn't work so that made me laugh uh when i was when i was i was listening to it but i listened to that uh i love this in all three shows and excited to now give my contribution to the show. All right. So we have set things up here. You've got, you know, of course you've been listening to every episode.

You've got some things you'd like to weigh in on. You've got three different buckets, right? You've got some Eagles thoughts, some show thoughts, and some miscellaneous. That's how you pitched it. And then you've got sort of subtopics within those. Why don't we, why don't we, because you're back, let's do what you would like to do. And that is start with the Eagles. Let's get into your Eagles thoughts.

Well, before we do, we should just mention on the NFL calendar what today is. because I do have Eagles thoughts. February 20th, Tuesday. This is the start of the franchise tag period. Now, there have been years when this is more relevant for the Eagles. There was a year when are they going to tag Nick Foles? And that came up and that was a question, Nick, too, Howie Roseman at the Combine, which is next week.

You know what? We're going to do what is right by Nick. Yes, exactly. We're going to let him go. The Eagles haven't used the tag since the Sean Jackson in, what, 2012, I believe it was. And if you look at their free agents this year, they're not going to tag DeAndre Swift, right? Maybe a transition tag that would really surprise me.

I don't expect them to do that. But there are, you know, we're going to go deep into free agency in two weeks. But there are notable free agents who we do expect to be tagged. One of them, for instance, Antoine Winfield Jr., who if he hit the market, he would be ideal for the Eagles. and he's a premium player or a top player at a ripe age at a position of need for the Eagles. And then you look at the bucks. They have Baker Mayfield as a free agent. They've Mike Evans as a free agent.

And you say, all right, well, maybe Winfield would slip through the cracks there. But it doesn't make sense to tag Mayfield. That's like a $35 million obligation. Mike Evans, a longtime player, you would think that maybe they can. work a deal out or let them walk but it sounds like winfield will be tagged then guys like brian burns josh allen uh when i say josh allen the jaguars josh allen of course we'll see if they get tagged those are players who could could i mean premium players are premium positions and those guys don't typically hit the free agent market other than that uh the one player i would watch for the eagles

is legerius sneed because i think there's a good chance sneed could get tagged in Kansas City, and you're saying, well, Chris Jones, he's a free agent. Tagging Chris Jones could be, it might not make sense for them from a cap and cash perspective. The tag Jones, they make sense for the workout of deal with Jones and tags Sneed. So pay attention to this during the next two weeks because some of these teams, if a player gets tagged, he's not getting signed. If a player doesn't get tagged, then all of a sudden that could change the Eagles draft or free agent plans, if you will.

Sneed is 27. Yeah, I think you look at like those players, the guys who will probably be out of the Eagles price range, but they are premium players at positions of value and need for them where like if they were going to spend a really big contract, it would be those type of guys. And are you in agreement that I saw Tempe Times said they expect Winfield to be tagged, but do you think one field will not hit the market? Yeah, I mean, I would be surprised. I think it just if you think about what's the most valuable thing for them, it doesn't, I mean, they're not going to franchise Mike Evans at that age. And then, as you said, the Baker tag would be cost prohibitive.

So, yeah, it does make sense. So that transition is actually to my first Eagles thought that I wanted to run by you. And this is something that's come up on the show when you were talking about some of the veterans on the Eagles. But the Eagles have these three guys, Jason Kelsey, Fletcher Cox, Brandon Graham, you might have heard of them, who we've said that are they going to come back? Are they not going to come back? And look, these are Eagles Hall famers, all three of them. I mean, in the case of Kelsey and Fletcher Cox, two of the best players on the team last year.

But I do wonder, and not to say Howie Roseman doesn't want them, okay? But I do wonder if there's a part of Howie where it's like, look, we've been planning for this. We drafted Cam Juergens two years ago, drafted Landon Dickerson three years ago. Isaac Sayamalo. Yes, Isaac Seymalo. years ago.

The last two first round picks were defensive tackles. Okay. Keeping these guys is going to cost money. There's an opportunity cost. You talked on the show. Was it yesterday about Tommy Lawler's piece? Yeah. Yeah.

About the Eagles defense, about the Chiefs defense, how they let these guys play. Is there a part of Hallie Roseman that's like, let's rip off the bandaid, let these guys go into the sunset. Let's move on to this next area, this next. next era of Eagles. Let's see how Cam Juergens does at center. Let's see how Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis are as the top defense, and Milton Williams as the top defensive tackles. And then we have a little more cap flexibility to maybe spend elsewhere as opposed to, I understand you can structure deals where you're spreading the money out. But there is a cap obligation this year if you bring Kelsey back. There is a cap obligation this year if you bring

Cox back. Now, even if both of those guys retire or leave, there's dead money. There's dead money. Exactly. It's not like they're just coming off the books entirely, but yes. But you're, they would count more on the books this year. Yeah. If, if, if they're playing.

And we can both agree that center and defensive tackle are not the, the highest of needs for the Eagles. So again, I'm not saying how he wants to push them out the door. I'm not saying how he doesn't want them back. But is how he's saying, oh goodness, they're both retiring? Or is he saying, all right. right, let's see these players that we drafted. Yeah, I think it, I think it's an interesting thought experiment. I would say that one thing I feel pretty confident about is not that, like,

Howie Roseman doesn't believe that Jason Kelsey deserves to take as much time as he want, but I think if you gave him truth serum, he would want to know. Yes. Like, he wants to know one way or the other just from a planning purpose. Like, is he coming back or not? Does he want to come back or not? because then I can, you know, instead of having to plan for two possibilities,

I can just plan for one. I would imagine that that is a minor frustration to him. Obviously, Jason Kelsey deserves to take whatever time he needs. I think the, like the history of what Howie Roseman values would tell me that, like, he has had opportunities to move on from these guys in the past, right? And those are the positions that he,

he does value. And so even if in theory he might want to move on from those guys and has been planning for their departures, he hasn't chosen to in the past, right? And I don't know that he would. Like, you know, as you said, Fletcher Cox was maybe the best player

on the defense last year. Are they ready to move forward with just Jalen Carter, Milton Williams, and Jordan Davis, and backfilling from there? I don't know if he would be happy with that. And so, I don't know. Where do you fall? Well, I think Kelsey in particular, even though they have depth there, I think given the value that he has to the offensive line, having him back is not necessarily, I think they would love him back.

Again, that's Jason's decision. And I do want to address one thing. I see Tracer Bullitt says, I think the organization is still scarred from letting Dawkins walk and they never want to go through that again. I'm not suggesting they would let either of those players walk. I think that now they almost let Fletcher Cox walk and they almost traded Fletcher Cox in the past. But I think in both those cases, this isn't regret about letting them walk.

I think if those guys want to come back, Eagles will make it work coming back. I'm just saying when they look at kind of the overall roster, if there's a thought that maybe it's not the worst thing if these guys retire because they have these plans in place and they have needs elsewhere. Yeah, and I think it relates to the conversation we did have yesterday.

and I was thinking about it again last night and this morning. Like, you know, we had that conversation entering week one, right? Are the Eagles in December and January going to be better served if Sidney Brown starts from week one? Because the most valuable thing you can give these guys from a player development standpoint is in-game reps. Yeah. Like reps that matter. And maybe that means you take a small step back in September to take a bigger step back in December. to take a bigger step back in December.

And like, you know, did they need those four games of Justin Evans and however many games of Terrell Edmonds? Like, did that serve them well? I don't know that it did. And who knows what would have happened with Sidney Brown's injury. But like, I think at some point, you do need those guys to play. And Cam Juergens is a player who we haven't talked about a lot. And I think that, like, he had a pretty disappointing second half of the season.

I thought he looked, I thought he looked pretty good in the beginning of the year. but after he came back from the injury he didn't look great and that right guard is not his natural position do you need him to play center it's also this is also a jalen hertz conversation because whenever jason kelsey leaves it's probably going to be on jalen hertz to set the protections right is he ready for that do you need to find out if he's ready for that some of these like big picture questions they're not going to get answers to as long as kelsey is still here now guessing Kelsey is one of the two best centers in football right uh of course they're going to be better off if he's available to able to play and they're going to be better set to have those protections. But yeah, I mean, these are the complicated questions that I think they have. I would guess that push come to shove like how he probably would want Kelsey back. And I think he probably would want Coxback too. But I also think there are benefits to if you do have to move on from them in the long run, letting those young guys play. You're absolutely right with that point about letting these guys play because we saw this with Andre Dillard,

where it got to a point in his career where they still didn't know what he was, right? And now if Cam Juergens goes, if you drafted Cam Jurgens to be the replacement at center, they knew Jurgens. Now, I think Dickerson's different. Dickerson had center guard, like you knew that Dickerson would be a high-level guard.

Dickerson was like a guard who could play center if you wanted them to. Exactly. You didn't know that. Yes. So if you go into year four of Juergens without him starting at center. Yeah. And that was your second round pick. That's a tough situation.

And again, I'm not saying you want to force Kelsey out the door. But when you just look at the overall roster building, I just wonder if there's a part of Howie that says, we have this succession plan at some point this needs to happen. Now let me ask you, do you think that the, you know, the Sidney Brown not playing over Edmonds and Evans, or Opeta starting over Tyler Steen. Do you think that those decisions were made

in conjunction with the coaching staff in the front office? Do you think they saw eye to eye on those? Or do you think that Harry Roseman was saying, like, let Tyler Steen play. We need to know these things. I think the Sidney Brown won more so than the Tyler's. Because I think there's such trust in Jeff Stoutland. Yeah.

And they're saying, look, if this is what Staltern needs to do to win this game, then that's fine. Like, Stalin's big in picking steam, right? I think Stalyn's very much, from a front office perspective, there's in Stoughtland we trust. I think the safety situation is a little different. And again, you had a new defensive coordinator.

Yeah. And you had a new DeBacks coach. And so there's a lot of factors at play. But I would imagine how he would much rather see Sidney Brown from week one than Justin Evans and Thoreau Edmonds. So, yeah, I would think so, too. Exactly. Yeah.

And we talked about it. It goes back to Nicobi Dean from a couple of years ago. I know that it's like what can we do to win on Sunday, but I do think that there is a bit of a myopia to some of those like personnel decisions. Like at some point you have to make the investment and know that it might not look great right away, but you need to find out. And even more than finding out, like that's how they're going to get better is getting those reps. Yeah, well said.

So this actually goes to the next point. What about Graham quickly? I think Graham's because I don't think Graham costs you that much money. Yeah. I think Graham's just a roster spot that, you know, and he's the fourth defense event. Exactly. So that one's a little different. And I think keeping Graham is as much for the locker morale as the production on Sundays

because he's not going to play that much if he's back. Yeah. I have a mailbag that's that's up. I apologize that it's belated for the diehard. who've been waiting for it. It was supposed to go up during Super Bowl week, or now two weeks post Super Bowl week, but it's up there now.

And so please read that if you're a diehard. If you're not a diehard, Beau did a great job in the ad read yesterday explaining the benefits of being a diehard. It wasn't even an ad read. It was just kind of a testimonial for why you should be a diehard. But one of the questions in there was

at what point is Howie on the hot seat? And it kind of surprised me to see that, although I've seen some sentiment on social media from fans and even from like some media which I'll get to in a bit about how he how he's doing with the job and it's interesting because the approval rating for how he kind of fluctuates sure at this time last year it was like executive the year could do no wrong right and now it's it's it's uh you see some of these questions pop up and look how he's dealt with this throughout his his his his career is this unfounded do you think that this offseason is

critical for howie that if there's uh drafts that don't produce results and they don't strike they don't strike well in for agency that some of this conversation will come up again or do you think this is just it's february people are looking for things to ask and talk about do you mean from a like is this chatter going to continue standpoint or is he actually going to be on the No, not actually. Is this, will this chatter get louder? My point. Like, because it was very much on Siri.

I mean, if the team is bad next year, the chatter will get louder. That's, I mean, that's how it works. But I'm saying, I think the eyes are, the eyes this year were clearly on Siriani. Very clearly on Siriani. And I think this upcoming year, we know Siriani is essentially coaching for his job. But at what point do you think it goes to, well, is this roster good enough? or because and we can see this based on the moves that they made the Eagles thought this was coaching.

They replaced both coordinators. Sure. They thought this was coaching. At what point do they say, is this the roster? So you're saying the Eagles actually internally? Yeah, let's spread that to the Eagles. I was thinking more fan sentiment, but. I mean, the fan sentiment is always going to be, if the team is bad, they've already,

they're already out on Nick. Everything's bad. They're going to come on. Sure. Yeah. I don't think that's any surprise. you've been through it long enough. From an ego standpoint, yeah, I mean, I agree with what you wrote, basically, that

from Jeffrey Lurie's standpoint, I think it would take something crazy for him to want to move on from Howie Roseman. I think we've seen it time and time again that when the team has a bad season, like he trusts how he to build things up. As you have long said, he's better at building than he is at maintaining. And I agree that like if Howie was going to leave, it would probably be of his volition and he might be looking elsewhere for like full control of an organization or maybe even like graduating above being involved in personnel day to day. I wonder like what what is just stamina for that job is because it's so all encompassing.

That said, like I do think that they have made, you know, roster management missteps over the past, you know, a year or whatever. But I'm curious to see like, and I know it involves a question that you're going to ask like what. What offseason of years past is this going to sort of echo? I'm curious to see what that answer will be. What do you think? Well, about the awesome. On the Howie, on the Howie thing. Yeah, I think that like I wrote there that if he's no longer the GM at some point here,

it's his decision or it's kind of a joint decision. I think that's right. I think he's really good strategically. He needs to do a better job maintaining the roster. And you saw the headline for this show is kind of where they are in roster construction. And I think he does have an important offseason in front of him. But the Eagles have made the playoffs six or seven years. And you can argue is making the playoffs good enough.

And that's not kind of the standard they hold them to. But a lot of franchises don't have that. They have a franchise quarterback under contract. He needs to play better, but he's under contract. They have three picks in the first two rounds this year. Howie's done a good job in recent years, them this draft inventory and depending what they do with some veteran trades they could position themselves to have this type of draft inventory next year as well so i i think he needs to execute better

and if this doesn't go well and they replace seriani you're you're going to say should a gm have five coaches right look that's a worthwhile discussion but i i think how he's earned the job security that he has. Yeah, I agree. And also, I mean, it's a very difficult job. Exactly. If you're getting 60% of the decisions you make right, you know, you're doing a great job. He's, he's one of the best general managers in the league, no doubt about that. And we've talked about in the past, like what makes him, uh, what makes him a very good general manager is like how plugged in he is and how he's involved and everything, right? I think if you were to criticize the roster building from this past year,

or so. It's interesting because it's not about specific decisions. It's about sort of like the bedrock principles that he has didn't necessarily bear fruit this year. Like all of that investment in the defensive

line did not pay off. And that is a like that is a poor return on the resource allocation there. Right. Like if you're going to put that much into the defensive line, they better be great. And they weren't great. And obviously I think the Eagles thought is that that was probably more coaching than anything else. And then on the offensive side of the ball, I do think that they think that is absolutely

coaching because that has the talent to be what should absolutely be a top five offense, especially given the health that they got. And for them to only be, you know, 10th by most measurements, like that is not good enough and that is on coaching. So I think you're right. Like their actions told us what they thought the reasons were. And then one last thing to just mention here, and I'm not directing this at like a media member per se or the media per se, because I've seen this sentiment elsewhere over the years. And it's something I've said over the years. But this popped up on my feet over the weekend. And it's it's worth mentioning. Like, look, Howie doesn't need me to defend him. Howley, if you, it comes with the job. If you want to be critical of Howley, so be it. We've been critical of Howie. And we will be critical of Howley about certain moves and about things that he's, you know, does but like to resort to saying that how he's an accountant and that I don't think you need to

just I don't even think you need to give that okay I'm just saying like he has no back that's not even like yeah okay I wouldn't I would not even give that the light of day okay okay all right fair enough do not yeah don't give that any credence okay it's preposterous all right fair enough I was just I was just going to set the record straight that yeah he has no background doesn't block whatever that is coming on your feed and don't even address it. That's nonsense. Fair enough. Okay. And anti-Semitic. So like, let's just push that aside. Fair enough. I was, that's simply, I was just going to say let his record stand for itself and not tropes one way or the other. Okay. Yeah. Sorry. It's nonsense.

Yeah. Agreed. Agreed. Transitioning to the next one here for Eagle's thoughts. And this came up when I've been reading free agency lists over the weekend. And I, was listening to the show, all these shows are kind of running together, but one of the past three shows. And when you're talking about the running back market, I'm not suggesting the Eagles are going to change their strategy here, but there's a lot of free agent running backs, a lot of, like, really good free agency running backs. And they're leaving teams that are not just going to like shuffle this big name running back for that big name running back. You know, for instance, if Derek Henry leaves Tennessee, it's probably because they're going to turn the Taj Spears.

a cost-controlled option. And you go on down the list here. There's going to be really good players on this market. And the market might be depressed. And the Eagles might see this as an opportunity. So I think you mentioned, again, it might have been yesterday's show or a different show, if they can get so-and-so for a one-year, $2 million contract. I think what is the numbers you put out.

But let's expand that. let's say someone like Derek Henry is lingering on the market or Tony Powell who has a history with Kellan Moore is lingering on the market or Ezekiel Elliott who has a history with Kellyan Moore is lingering on the market. Do you think this is a position where the Eagles might turn to a veteran free agent which they signed a shot penny last year. I know that but he he didn't really play from them. They haven't really had a veteran free agent as their top running back since DeMarco Murray, Ryan Matthews. Otherwise, that worked out.

Yeah, true. Although Ryan Matthews was more productive than, you know, people might remember. And he was actually their top option that year. DeMarco was not, they didn't think they were going to get DeMarcombe. But I bring this up because we talk about the way the Eagles view running back. And most likely they look for a trade or draft. pick and I get that. But do you see a world where they say, look, there's some good players here at prices

that fit within our framework. Let's sign Derek Henry or let's sign Tony Powell or I don't think Sequin Barclay will be within that budget. But do you think that could happen? I think it could. There's a lot of supply on the running back market this offseason most. likely, even like, you know, Nick Chubb could get released as a cap casualty. And there's, as you said, I don't think that probably enough supply or demand for teams

willing to sign those guys to big contracts. I think this is something where they're like going to monitor it as the first week of free agency goes on. And if, you know, I don't know if Derek Henry is the right person, but if one of those guys drops to a reasonable price range for them, I think it makes, I think it makes some sense. Now, I don't know what their internal evaluation of D'Andre Swift is. The other thing here is I'm curious if you think that Kellan Moore's experience with Ezekiel Elliott would make them more interested in like a bigger back

than they've had in recent years. I don't know if I would say that. I don't know. I think a back we can catch the ball out of the backfield. and we saw that with Powell or two years ago. We saw that with Elliot throughout his career with more. But I don't necessarily know if I would say a bigger back, but you certainly can't roll it out.

And Eagles don't have that type of back. So maybe a bigger back we can catch. And I mean, Elliot didn't look great in New England last year. It didn't look bad, but didn't look great. So I don't know about Elliot, but yeah, I think if, or maybe you pair Derek. Eric Henry with a back who can catch. I think Derek Henry makes more sense

in a team like Baltimore or something like that. But I just I know the way the Eagles view running backs. I get that. There's just so many starting running backs who are going to be on this market. Like Austin Echler, for instance, is someone who, now he looks, he didn't look the same

last year. But he's someone who... The truth is the history of free agent running backs is very bad. But if you're just looking at a one year deal, you know, I'm just saying the market's going to come to you at that position. And the Eagles clearly, whether, let's say they keep Swift, let's say. Yeah, I think, I think what they want there is explosiveness. Okay.

And maybe Swift is the guy who gives them the most of that. But I think, I think that's what they're looking for. Now you, more than me, have been on the, when you sign cowboys or giants or commanders, it doesn't work out, right? I mean, it really doesn't. Yeah. And the history shows that. But Tony Pollard, do you think that could be,

that could be a player there. I just think that they're unlikely to be the team that values him the most. They're unlikely. They're unlikely, yes. Even with the background with Moore. His best season came with Ellen Moore. Okay. Well, yeah, but I mean.

You think they're unlikely because he's a cowboy or because it's the running back position? No, because it's the running back position. Yeah. Agreed. Okay. Okay. I see April in the chat says Alvin Camara is perfect for the Eagles. I mean, there's going to be, like he might be a cap cap cap.

casualty too. So yeah, I think Eagles are going to have options at running back this year. And when you look at the, and we'll get the free agency in the first week in March, but when you look at kind of the free agency list, to a certain respect, it shows you why the, as you made the point on the show the other day, Howie Roseman's history is drafting offensive linemen, defensive linemen, and cornerbacks. because there are a lot of like there are a lot of running backs and wide receivers and safeties and linebackers on the free agent market. It's much harder. If you're looking for starting left tackle, you don't really find that on the free agent market. If we're assuming that Brian Burns and Josh Allen, maybe even Bryce Huff are tagged, you're not really finding top edge rushers on the open market.

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Yes. According to Adam Schaefter, the Eagles have signed. DeAndre Swift? No. Former third round pick of the San Francisco 49ers, Tyrion Davis Price to a reserve future contract. LSU. LSU, former third round pick, bigger body,

6-1, about 220. So that fits the thing we were talking about. And this probably means that I guess they're signing Elijah Mitchell next offseason because they've now signed Trey Sermon and Tiri David Davis Price so all the failed Niners running backs draft picks end up in Philadelphia. Trace Ehrman, former third on pick as well

by the Niners, then they probably should have kept them on the roster over Rashad Penny. Tray Sherman actually played for the Colts this year. Rashad Penny did not play for the Eagles. They would have had Tray Sherman on our contract. We'll never know. I mean, what would Rashad Penny have done? True. So yeah, so I heard you talk on the other day for a bit about

the Julian O'Quarr signing. The Eagles have had a few of these interesting Al Quarres, we maybe should have given it a little bit more time because he is an actual player. Sure. But like, for instance, they signed Terrell Lewis to a reserve futures deal. So these are guys who are, you know, former mid-round picks who have played in the league. So, look, I'm not saying that they just signed their starting running back.

TDP. TDP, yeah. Look, a running back from LSU who's a mid-round pick jumps out. But also, okay. Also, the 49ers, they should stop drafting

running backs in the middle rounds, right? Well, they tried, but instead they drafted a kicker who missed an extra point that cost them

the Super Bowl. I don't know if that cost them in the Super Bowl, but. I said cost them in the Super Bowl. Cost them in the Super Bowl. Okay. Fair enough.

So those are my Eagles thoughts. Now, the show notes, thoughts have Eagles thoughts in them. Let's hear it. So let's start with the, with the most Eagles connected one.

or the most like on the field connected one. And that is when you were talking the other day about Eddie Jackson. And you mentioned no compics and you mentioned like former big name player a little older but could still have time left. I was thinking this sounds like Malik Jackson. And then you made the Eddie Jackson, Malik Jackson comparison. And it made me think about what post-Super Bowl offseason is this, most like. Because the Malik Jackson one, what's interesting there is the Eagles similarly had a first round pick and two second round picks, surprisingly, or not surprisingly, coincidentally,

around the same range. Like the first round pick was near, they drafted Dillard that year, but they traded up. So it was around the same spot. The Miles Sanders, JJ, Arthago, Whiteside was around the same spots as their second rounders here. And the Eagles were coming off. They were two years after the Super Bowl, they were coming off at that point a second round. They went to the divisional round. So this year's team went to, but this year's team obviously lost in the first

round. But that year, they were very into this idea of like preserving compics. If you recall, they signed Malik Jackson and they traded for Deshawn Jackson after the Sean Jackson was expected to be released and then the Eagles made that

that late trade form. And those were their splashes. And a big thing there, kind of behind the scenes was, well, we're protecting our compic formula and that we have this Super Bowl roster in place. So they're not so worried about signing guys who are later on in their careers because this is all about right now, right? The free agent strategy is maximizing right now. And they kept saying these three premium picks, that's the chance to kind of think about the future. So anyways, you can look at that year. You can look at 2020 when the Eagles had some money.

That's the one that comes to mind for me. And explain why. Well, it's the year that they like finagled with the coaching staff, right? They brought in Skangarello. Yep. They let go of Mike Groh. They brought it Marty Morningweg. And they certainly did that to a much larger extent this offseason.

And the moving parts were a little bit different. now the two big moves they made that offseason turned out to be good moves obviously the jvon hargrave signing which is probably their best free agent signing of the past you know five years or whatever and they made the darius slay trade which didn't look great right away but but has played out solidly right now you could argue they could have used that capital for something else that maybe would have turned out better but you know sleigh has been very good um but even though those moves made sense in a vacuum like it was a miss um

like understanding of where they were in their own roster cycle and it was trying to get these pieces that were going to put them over the top to get back to the promise land when in reality it was a roster that was in significant decline right and who knows how much the coaching staff played a part of that or coven yeah exactly the great uh uh victims of of COVID, of course, the Philadelphia Eagles. And what also stood out about that year, too, because I was thinking the 2020 comparison.

I don't mean to cut you out. But they moved on from Malcolm Jenkins, right? They were moving on. We want to make this Carson's team. Exactly. So there's that comparison as well. Yeah. And so I don't know if that's what it's going to happen this year,

but I think what they probably need most right now is clear-eyed analysis of the Rock. itself and I hope that that's what they're getting and the clear-eyed analysis of the roster came in 20 in the 2021 off-season more than anything else now I don't know I don't think the Eagles will operate like the 20-21 off-season but that was a year for instance when they were strategic in terms of trading for future picks where they laid it out ahead of time they're not going to spend big and free agency they did some internal contracts but It was very much a year where it's like, all right, we're building this forward down the line.

And then they had that surprise playoff run. And that kind of set up the big offseason that followed, which was to which was 2021. But that those the 2020, the 2019, the 2019 and the 2020 off seasons are probably most comparable to to them coming off this playoff bid. And in 2020, they weren't clear-eyed about where they stood. And they said. or I think they felt after the fact that part of this was, you know, they saw this kind of opportunity with COVID and but they didn't expect the cap to be flat. There were all kinds of different rationales and excuses.

Bottom line, they were not clear-eyed about where they were then and that affected them in a big way. And you're right, the coaching changes and they had this new scheme. So I am curious to see if they, if they approach it that way, If they take this 2019 approach where they're looking for these band-aid-type moves, because Malik Jackson and Deshaun Jackson were very much like band-aid-type moves. Now, you made a good point on the show. When they signed Malik Jackson, he was not injury-prone,

and he turned out to be injury-prone here. But Deshaun Jackson was, and they very much looked at it like we were, they thought this. I'm not saying I think this. They thought we were now Sean Jeffrey drop pass away. from making a run. And that's not how it works. And then that's not how it works.

So I do, I don't think they should make signings. Like if they sign Eddie Jackson, it should be because they think he's a good football player. And he still has two, three years left. Not as a Band-Aid for this year, unless he signed a Band-Aid contract. Right.

Yeah, unless he signed to a Band-Aid contract. Right. I mean, and I actually, it is different because, you know, Malik Jackson got like $12 million or something like that and played a position where guys get paid in free agency. Eddie Jackson is going to be pretty far down the list on like safeties who are going to get paid this office season, I think. And so, you know, if it is the case that it's a, you know, two-year, four million dollar deal or whatever. That makes sense. Exactly.

Yeah, of course. Them, them Malik Jackson and Deshaun Jackson both. And I think there is some soft value in having a guy at that position who understands the defense as you're transitioning. So the next one here. I enjoyed the conversation about the photo at Gino Stake. with Now the one thing I do want to say

is that there might be this misconception about Nick Siriani that he's you know because you hear the term pandering that he's like

a man about town in Philly Nick Sirianni is very much a tourist like Nick Siriani is working not like he's not he doesn't live in the city yeah

and he's similar to us in that he's a father of young kids like when he has free time. He's at his, he's at his kids games. Sure. Right. If he's going out to eat, maybe it's, it's like in South Jersey, or he has a function that he has to go to or something like that. But I don't think Nick, I don't think, Nick Siriani, like you said, is, is finding these hole-in-the-wall spots in South Philly. For all we know, Nick Siriani's

understanding of cheese steaks in Philly is Passing Genos. Yeah. So I don't think this a matter of the problem that's what i'm saying somebody get somebody get a bugger's here but i don't think this is a matter of nix eriani having having like um tourist taste if you will i think it's that nixiriani's very much a tourist in the sense that and i don't know if you want your your football coach to your your head coach to be you know galvanning around town uh yeah i think of that anecdote in that tiler dunn piece where like rex ryan hopped out early to uh you know he's he's he's he's out at five o'clock or him and the coaches took a bus trip to Cleveland for the MLB postseason game. No, Nick is, I mean, I think Nick's a grinder.

We know that. And I don't think Nick is going on. I think Nick knows the Eagles cafeteria and maybe whatever delivers to the Novacare complex. Shots of Nick. No, I think Nick would tell you that too. But I mean, guys, I mean, you can shoot a little bit higher. I don't think Nick's going out for his lunch break. I'll put it that way.

I don't think Nick's like, let's let's let's go to. take 30 minutes. But you're taking the wife out for a nice dinner. Like, you know, I'm sure he's got, he's got to have some good spots. Not taking her to Gino's. No, I'm saying in terms of cheese steaks. Okay. Yeah.

And I do know from doing work on, from writing about Nick over these years, he's the kind of guy who he's leaving work at 1230 and he's stopping at McDonald's drive-thru. Right. I know that. You know, he knows the fast food spots. on his route home. I don't know if it's still like that, but when he was with the Colts,

it was like that. And we know he ordered, you know, what, Pizza Hut last year? He had to correct it to Little Caesar. Yes, of course. I mean,

there's a lot of great spots in South Philly. But I don't think, I think Nick's very much a tourist in his own town. Yeah, I think that's fair. Okay. Then the last one.

So this is kind of a popperie of notes in one. Popery. Sorry. That's okay. We're working on it. Favorite person to watch walk. That is a weird question to ask. Is it that weird?

I don't know. Do you have a favorite person to watch walk? Well, no, but somebody had, there were some good examples in the... I heard Messi and I heard... Messi was a good one? I listened to it. I did not watch the video.

Oh, yeah, there were some good ones. Okay, so I didn't see the live chat. There was Andre Agassiz. Agassiz, that was a good idea. Was that a submission or did Rich... No, that was a submission. That was a good one. Okay.

Yeah, if I'm doing a show and you said to me, who's your favorite person to watch walk? I mean, I would say my kids, right? But I don't have like, I really like this person's gait. Is that a- Well, so here's my question. If you don't have an answer for this, why bring it up? No, I thought it was a weird question. Okay.

I'm saying as I'm listening to that, I'm saying, what kind of question is that? Favorite person to watch walk? I don't know. I'll give you show notes. I listen to the show, I'm giving you notes. Yeah. It's a random question. Well, of course it is. We're talking for an hour every day. Okay.

I did a good job with, I thought the President's Day thing was a, how was your holiday? Happy belated, by the way. I know it's an important day to you. I want to clarify this. I'm not like President's Day is my favorite. So there are two President's Day things that came up. Number one, I said the Super Bowl should be the Sunday. I said there should be an extra buy week. Okay. And the Super Bowl should be the Sunday before President's Day. Labor Day to President's Day.

And I Labor Day to President's Day. You mock this. This has come up in other circles. This is not like an original thought. It's not, nobody's mocking. You mock this. This is not, and it makes sense.

There are schools off on President's Day. It's a bank holiday. The stock market's closed on President's Day. I think you're like mocking President's Day as if this is some made-up holiday. this is I mean it is it is literally a made up holiday

no no as if this is something that like other people don't don't recognize literally the stock market recognizes it's just an excuse for a day off that's all it is it's it's uh there's no there's no religious component of it there's no it's just it's just an excuse to have a day off it's not an excuse

and we don't have to be like celebrating presidents that much well that's where I disagree with you I think that's a you are very like anti-presidents. It's a, I don't know why you were so anti-presidents. Oh, only because I live in the world. Okay, we can save that for another day. I mean, I have a lot of respect for the institution. Yeah, I know you do.

You have a lot of respect for almost every institution. It's not an easy job. I agree with that. And it's a very important job. And the president's day is because there's a lot of these presidents, or some of these great presidents whose birthdays were in March, I'm sorry, birthdays were in February,

and so that was kind of agreed upon instead of recognizing all these independent presidents that you have one president. This will give us a day off. But so it came up when I was talking about the Super Bowl thing, which I think still makes a lot of sense. You can mock it. Still makes a lot of sense.

The extra buy week, there's more television inventory. I'm with you on that. It's good for the players. I'm with you on all that. And having it Sunday, a President's Day weekend, makes sense because it's off. It's a day off in general. Exactly.

So now there's already one. And you know on the, and then you know on the calendar Sunday before President's Day every year. And then the other thing is that when I put in for my vacation time, when I was going away with the family, I didn't realize that we had a show on this Monday because it is. You just assumed, you just assumed everybody is going to have President's day off. I felt bad.

There's no way that people, hardworking people, could continue punching the clock on the day that we're supposed to think about Miller Fillmore. So I felt bad when I had to add that third show when I was off. And I didn't realize that we had a show on President's Day. Because so in any event that those are the only two times I brought up President's Day.

It's not as if I celebrate. What do you do to celebrate? It's not as if I celebrate. put on some wooden teeth in the morning. I don't celebrate President's Day at home. It's just, I typically, by the way, I'm not the only person who does this in that I saw on social media, a lot of people in the NFL media in the NFL,

we're away this weekend or like this is. Oh, I mean, nobody's telling you you shouldn't have taken time off. No, so I'm saying that you would take more time off. No, so this is every year, look, I, my family will tell you. I'm very devoted to my family, to my extended family, but during football season,

there's a lot of things that I miss or I'm not the easiest to, like, get together with. And so typically, the President's Day weekend is when I'm able to go away with family. Like, I can't go away during Christmas.

I can't go away. You know, there's times when Thanksgiving, I have that day off, but I can't see family on Thanksgiving weekend or something like that. So, yeah, President's Day has, for the 13 years I've been on the beat, has been a time when I'm able to, all right, I can tell my family I am home this, or I'm able to go to be with family this President's Day. That's the only thing.

I'm not like a, not saying that, like, let's take a moment to observe President's sake. I feel like you are. also also i think you missed some obvious candidates for the okay well i wanted to hear i wanted to hear your thoughts here i think connor barwin would be a real good one okay Connor barwin is very civic minded okay that's a now he's more civic i i don't know about you can you close your eyes and just in your mind's eye picture his bust in the hall of presidents um yeah i i think kind now i he's a wharton grad now okay so he's got he's got uh there you go i was chasing the that Ivy League.

I need that. I think that he, his heart's in the right place about making the world better. That's the name of his foundation. Yeah, I agree. That's a good one. He's,

he's very well connected. I think that he's, he's got my vote. Experience in different, yeah, so I think that. Now, Corey Simon, someone who is in politics. Pass.

Okay. You mentioned John Runny and tangentially. He's in politics. I think that. Trent Cole's in. politics. Do you want him? No, no, it was literally in politics. I understand. Now, my other one here, this is kind of off the board, because he's not really associated with the Eagles, but Ian Cunningham, Ian Cunningham, a former Eagles director of player personnel, he's now

the assistant GM with the Bears, but Ian Cunningham went to the University of Virginia. And I, he's a really bright guy. Arthur has leadership ability. Yeah, I thought. I think Ian Cunningham would do well in politics. If you want to stick to the Ivy League theme. No, I don't. Okay. I was going to say Andrew Barry. You know, he's showing leadership ability with the Colts.

Sure. But, no. And you got the built-in easy body double, which is nice. I suppose so. But Connor Barwin was the one that jumped to mind. Okay. And there were a few other show notes, but we can get to the miscellaneous. Oh, we got six minutes.

Go ahead. Yeah. So now let's get to miscellaneous. What are your other show notes? No, that I mentioned, I mentioned Covey Ridge and. I mentioned the Covey Ridge. Yeah, there were a few other things, but miscellaneous now. Okay.

Who's your least favorite president? Um, I don't want to get into that. I don't want to get into that. I mean, yeah, I'm going to pass. I would rather give you a really, like, nuanced. answer there and like study all the presidents um i mean you're going you're going to answer this tomorrow then i i'm i'm going to pass on that one because honestly it's yeah i don't think it's worth getting into i don't think people watch this for my political thoughts okay um um so the miscellaneous category

here there's three here final bucket final bucket first off well let's connect this to the previous one okay i thought your your streaming complaint about when they went with the kately clark so this is a show note but yeah show note now this transition it's very kind of like boomerish if you will okay this is of course you're on the side of technology for technology's sake no i think this is how people consume content whose life is this making it easier for who is this helping the bifurcation of every different media presentation. Who is that good for aside from the company?

So you're saying, but you're saying like they should just all be on cable or something like that is, that's that's not how content is. I mean, I'm making fun of the like the back patting over the first playoff game only available on a streaming service. Like that's not good for anybody. That doesn't help any. Like, well, it's, it's, it's, you know, it's the classic, like all of these little things just making every, like, every little, uh, good, a little bit worse. And everybody and somebody's making a little bit more money.

Like, I'm not going to, I'm not going to champion that. I'm, well, I'm, I'm, I'm just saying this is how, this is how content is consumed by a lot of people via streaming services. They're not subscribed the cable. They're not subscribed even to, Like a YouTube TV or Hulu TV, they're subscribed to different streaming services. That's, I know you're not a Goodell fan, but as Roger Goodell said, you have to go fishing where the fish are. Yeah, but my complaint is not about the streaming services. My complaint about it's only available on this streaming.

Like if you want, if that's how people consume it, fine. Yeah. But don't make it more difficult for people to find your product. So, and my argument to that would be, it might be difficult for you to find the product that way. It's not difficult for the next generation of fans to find the product that way. And that means to one to one of these thoughts. I think you're missing the point. I think this is just you cheerleading technology for technology to say.

So what are your thoughts of Mr. Beast? I don't have like deep thoughts on Mr. Beast. In the past, I brought this up to you. And he was on the cover of Time magazine this week. My general understanding of Mr. Beast is that he does some good. with his vast money. I'm not even talking about like how he spends his money. I'm just talking about from a product perspective.

So he's on the cover of Time magazine. I'm reading about him. And I've been fascinated by this because my son watches Mr. Beast. And up until a few months ago, I did not know who Mr. Beast was. And now I've tried to learn more. And it is amazing to me how popular he is. Okay.

Do you know that he had a recent video that there were 20 times the number of people who watched that video, then the Succession finale, and more than twice, and this is from Time magazine, and more than twice as many people saw Barbie, or Oppenheimer during the opening weekend. We, you're on Burns with Friends, you talked about succession, and it's in the cultural zeitgeist, okay? Barbie and Oppenheimer, there was a whole thing about like, what was it? Barbenheimer. Yeah, Barbenheimer. 20 times a number of people watched that video, then the succession finale. His most popular video was Mr. Squid or something to do with Mr. Squid. I checked this this morning.

There were 576 million people or 576 million views on that. Do you know how many people watched the Super Bowl this year? $202 million. Okay. That is the like Mr. Beast is so popular. And I bring this up as a way of saying. Yeah, I don't know where this is going. Okay.

Okay. So this is kind of connected. This is connected to the, to the streaming thing is that like we have to be cognizant of how young people are consuming content. And the amount of people who are consuming Mr. Beast and he's, he's not even on your radar. He wasn't on my radar a few months ago. And he had three times as, or not three times, but nearly three times as many people, watch his most popular video and watch the Super Bowl this year. So this is a way of saying that I think the media is more fragmented.

I think content is more fragmented now. Of course it is. It's incredibly fragmented. Understand, I know YouTube views are not the same as TV views. I get that. I'm very, trust me, I've tried to learn more about YouTube views than anyone could possibly imagine over the past six months. And here is much that says, Zach is like the old person that discovered something it wants to share. No, it's, it's not that.

Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. I'm simply saying, just the guy from Mortal Kombat? I'm simply saying, by it.

You, we need to, we need to understand the way content is being consumed. that he used the words of Roger Goodell, so when where the fish are, right? So that's my streaming thought tied into. I don't think that those two things are connected in the way that you think they are.

I, okay, we can disagree on that. But, yeah, I, I mean, just because they're both, like, things that you watch online, doesn't mean there's a, no, I think that. I think you're, your, um, pining for the way, content consumption once was. No, no, no. Now you are mischaracterizing my...

I am not saying everybody should have cable television and that should be where everything is. I am saying when you are intentionally making it more difficult for people to find things or to have to go somewhere to watch your thing, that's a shitty thing to do.

And what I am saying is that I think you are... I'm sorry to go ZB Blue. No, I think you are downplaying the like that consuming via streaming services is how a lot is being, it's how a lot of content is being consumed.

And I'm not disagree with that. Okay. So, but your issue is that you couldn't find Caitlin Clark. Yeah, because it was the only place that I could watch it. Yeah, and I'm saying that's like finding things in different points, finding some things in different places. Yeah, I am exhausted of this, like, which, Where do I have to go?

Like, what movie is this streaming on? Like, it's exhausting. So you want one place where everything is? Yeah. And that's my exact point. You're pining for, well, yeah, that would be easier for everybody. That would be easier for everybody in the world. That's my point.

It's easier for you. And it's... But who is that not easier for? For people who... The companies, they don't get to make as much money, but that's... I'm allowed to complain about it, making everybody's life a little bit more difficult.

If it's going to take me seven minutes to find which streaming service I want to watch this movie on. That's time I'm not getting back. That's like they're robbing everybody of time here. Okay. Like you don't think that just because it's, oh, it's cool. There's a new streaming service. This is a new logo on my Apple TV desktop.

That's exciting. Like that's not better for anyone except for the, the CEOs. Okay. All right. Like, would you have said the same thing about the Metaverse two years ago? Like let's figure out how we can go maximize our, Our show on the metaverse. I think that's a different conversation.

Why? My next one here. That was a cool thing that you probably thought was an exciting thing that Mark Zuckerberg. He knows a lot about the internet. This guy knows exactly what's going on. I felt differently about the metaverse as I do about Applevision Pro,

but we can save that for another day. Okay? My next one here. The NBA All-Star game. Okay. Okay. We're 64 minutes in the show. Do you not want me to finish this list?

No, it's okay, I do. Okay. Like, I keep seeing these think pieces and saw on social media their night. Oh, this is horrible. This is horrible. Yeah, like, am I under a misconception of what the All-Star game is? Yeah, who cares? It's a chance for you to see the best players all on the core.

It's not supposed to be the most competitive game in the world. I can tell you this. Like, and this is something that, again, I see things through a different perspective. You know, there were all these people complaining about Gritty a few years ago. And if you take your kids to a Flyers game or something, they love Gritty. All right. My son loved seeing like all these players all in the same court.

That's like the purpose of an All-Star game. It's not meant to be the most competitive game in the world. Yeah, I agree. And so I keep seeing how do you need to fix the All-Star game? Okay, you can try to do things to make it more competitive. But I go into it with clear eyes about what it is. It's a pickup game with the best players in the world, all of the court. That's that's what it is.

I recognize that. Okay. All right. Third thing, Patriot Stock, if you watched this on Apple TV Plus, you haven't watched it. Okay, well, we'll wait until you watch it. They've only have two episodes out yet. I've watched the first two episodes. It's awesome.

It's awesome. I feel like at some point, Emily's like, Zach, why are you in such a good move for? You're like, oh, I just watch the episode. No, no, no. No, she was sleeping and I pull out the iPad and I'm watching these two. I think the footage that it has that the documentary has is really cool. I will be interested in watching it.

I think the interviews are like riveting. I found the Bledso. Now, look, I'm going to show for Seth Wickersham here. Seth Wickersham book, Seth Wickersham's book is incredible on the page. It's run, right? It's better to be feared is the name of the book, but documentaries are different than books. And like seeing Drew Bledsoe talk about that and seeing some of the footage,

like, you know, I didn't see Bledsoe's locker room interview back back then. And seeing that now, it's fascinating. And seeing some of the Belichick stuff from from then is fascinating. Hearing Tom Brady talk about how Ty Law ripped him off on selling him the condo, real cool stuff. So, yeah, I'm curious your thoughts in that when you get a chance to watch it. But those are my three miscellaneous thoughts

in the spirit of Shield who likes to kind of put some non-Eagle stuff in this game. Okay. That was good. I have Mr. Beast here. You really didn't like that. I just don't think there's the connectivity you think there is there. The connectivity was a little bit of a stretch

because I was trying to connect the streaming services to the next. I was trying to do a transition. but I just think like there's a lot of people who don't know who Mr. Beast is our age. And he, like those numbers were staggering me. And I know that his line is on the jerseys of the Hornets, right? So we see it. But just to see how big he is when I see just the numbers and the values, it's fascinating. That's the only thing I was bringing up.

And when you're on the cover of Time magazine, it's, I mean, it's not as big a deal as it was 30 years ago. But it's still, I think you can appreciate being on the cover of Time magazine. Sure. Okay. I'm not going to, I mean. Lots of people have been on the cover of Time magazine. But yeah, shout out to Mr. Beast. Send us all your 100 million followers.

Yes. Yeah. You can. I love of our numbers. Get up there. That'd be great. yeah that'll be great okay

all right we're happy to have you back Zach thank you it's good to be back it's good to see you we'll have more to come tomorrow I think we might have a special guest

on our show tomorrow we'll look forward to that noon all week as we continue here and then next week it's Combine in Indianapolis we'll hear from Howie Roseman

get to maybe we'll play a little game tomorrow about like the kinds of things are interested to learn at the combine. So that'll do it for this episode of the P.H.L.Y. Eagles podcast for Zach and Bree, who did a bang-up job. We thank everybody for listening

and watching. Happy President's Day, belated to you and yours. May you have many, many more to come. And as always, we love you.