PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | Which free agent are the Philadelphia Eagles most likely to sign?

Episode Date: March 6, 2024

We kick off our annual exercise trying to determine which player in free agency the Eagles are most likely to sign next week. Safeties like Eddie Jackson, Xavier McKinney and Jordan Fuller are in the mix. Linebackers like Jerome Baker, Blake Cashman and Josey Jewell are possibilities. And what about wildcards like J.K. Dobbins, Jonathan Greenard and Marquez Valdez-Scantling?Zach Berman and Bo Wulf narrow things down in the first of two Quacketology episodes. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

To a big day on the PHOI Eagles show, Eagles podcast, Boe Wolf, Zach Berman, as we prepare to kick off the two-day event, maybe three days, maybe five days of quackatology. We have whittled down the list of potential, likely Eagles free agent signings when the league opens next week to 64. No, no playing games here. Get out of here with that selection committee. 64, we've got four quadrants.

We've got a secondary quadrant, a linebacker quadrant, a big ugliest quadrant, and a quarterback wide receiver running back squadron, skill players. We're going to determine which player is the most likely eagle signing ahead of next week. Zach Berman, how you doing? Doing great. Shout out to Polar Jam, who says this is my favorite episode of the year. Polar Jam, I am happy now that it's over a few episodes because this was one that used to go on for like three hours. Now he says RIP Ospreys.

I don't know if we're saying RIP Ospreys. I mean, we're going to have to fill some time in June. But this is exciting because love March, love March Madness. It's a way to combine free agency with March Madness, was explaining to my son. Brutal loss for the Deaks last night. I saw Forbes post-game press conference. What did he say? I didn't see the press conference.

He was talking about how he told them before the game. This is for the NCAA tournament. And they made mistakes early in the game, and it cost them late. Yeah, I mean, they did not deserve to win that game. They played terribly. However, one of the worst miss calls I've ever seen at the very end of the game. Guy just like falls on the ground and travels and they don't call a travel and then they hit a game winner. Just pathetic.

It's tough. Sorry. Brutal. Going to need to win like three games in the ACC tournament now. I thought we were finally going to get back to the tournament. I don't mean to take us off the rails, but are you going to make the trip down to D.C.? because the ACC tournament's in D.C. tournament's in D.C.

this year. Typically you'd have to go to Greensboro, but now it can be a short train ride. Well, it's in the middle of free agencies, Zach, so I don't think so. Well, that's a good segue to what's coming up here. Yes. Before we get into it, you had a couple Jason Kelsey notes for the talk of the show. We don't need to keep rehashing Kelsey, but two things that I just wanted to point out. First, Joe Opella, the Eagles trainer, long-time trainer, has been with the organization since 2010, respected by the players.

Loved by the players, I would say. Yes, yes. Has a long touching Instagram post, Joe Opella has been dealing with, cancer behind the scenes and he has been taping Jason Kelsey ankles, hands for the past 13, 14 years, right? And so he was not able to travel to the game in Tampa and he expressed, he expressed kind of regret that he wasn't there to tape Kelsey in his last game. And by the way, there's a lot that Jason has done for Joe and that Joe is. done for Jason kind of behind the scenes. But as a gesture of appreciation for Joe O'Pella and the relationship that they have,

Jason Kelsey had Joe tape his ankles before that last press conference. So if you saw Jason Kelsey with taped ankles, that's... Julia's now, this is her third time. Yeah, yeah. Jason Kelsey, I don't blame her. What a beautiful sentiment. Real beautiful sentiment. And I did have people ask me, why did he tape his ankles?

Well, that's the answer. It's a touching tribute. And I imagine there's a lot of people who have stories like that about Jason. And by the way, I would also say, as much as that speaks about Jason, it also speaks about Joe Opella, that Jason would want to do that and a relationship that the two of them have. Yeah, and, you know, we always talk about there are so many people behind the scenes around the team who are very important to the team. And Joe is very much among those. and as we said, a guy who is loved by the players on the team. And then the second, Jason Kelsey has a podcast.

You might have heard of it. And, you know, I think they need listeners. So you can go and you can listen to exactly what they said. But just paraphrasing real quick, Jason Kelsey and Travis had their podcast today. We don't have to get in everything he kind of gave behind the scenes of that speech. But one thing that's newsworthy that's worth pointing out is he explained why he's not playing anymore, why he retired. He said physically the body was deteriorating, and he was getting to a point where he wouldn't be able to play next year at the level that he would want to play. He hasn't hit him on game days yet, but he saw it coming.

And Jason Kelsey always told us that there's going to be a time. You know, Jeff Stoutland told him there's going to be a time when you're not going to want to play, like physically. It just got to be too much. So I thought that was an astute observation because the one thing that the, press conference didn't get into, or I should say the speech, did not get into is why. And that's really the why right there. Well said.

That's a good tip. I'll try to check out that podcast. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they want to boost their ratings, so check it out. Second Past Eagle's podcast. Agreed. Okay.

All right. Let's get into the action here. Let's do it. A long way to go. We're going to do the first round today. So all 32 first round matchups, and then we will move on the rest of it on tomorrow's show.

Maybe the final four on Friday if tomorrow show has a special guest that we're efforting to get. Let's start, Zach, in the secondary region. Okay, let's call this the Rodney McLeoddard region. Shout to Rodney. Great signing for that. We start with a cornerback

cornerback matchup, a player we discussed yesterday. Legerius Sneed, got the franchise tag. Could the Eagles be interested in trading for him? Legerius Sneed versus Akello Witherspoon, who had a good year with the Rams is 28 years old, I believe. Actually turns 29 later this month. And has really only been healthy for one year in his career that was last year.

Maybe not the guy you want to pay for. Yes. I hear what you're saying there. Let's set the ground rules. First of all, this is who we think is most likely to be signed, not who they should sign. And if you and I, what's nice about this is we have to come to agreement, even if And if we disagree, maybe Julia can break the tie. But we should try to form consensus.

I don't think the Eagles. Do some Jed Bartlett consensus building. I mean, we can all aspire to be President Bartlett. He's not a real person. I don't think the Eagles are going to go the journeyman route at Corner. So even though I expressed, I did not expect them to make a big play for Sneed yesterday given that you'd have to give up a draft pick, I would think of the two. they would be in the Sneed camp more than the Wetherspoon camp.

I agree with you. I think we can expedite that one and move it on. Legerius Sneed, moving on to the second round in Quacketology. Congratulations to him. All right, I think a fun matchup here, two of the top guys at the safety market, Xavier McKinney, who we have talked about a little bit, and Cameron Curl from the Washington Commanders. Both of these guys, young.

This is going to be their first post-rooky contract contract. Curl is 25, just turned 25. Xavier McKinney turns 25 before the start of the season. Curl, very reliable, but not much of a ball production guy. Three interceptions, his first year hasn't touched the ball since. A couple of fumble recoveries. Xavier McKinney, I think, a better player. Both of these guys in the division, both of these guys,

probably going to cost, you know, I think McKinney maybe you're looking at like 16, 17 a year given the market and curl maybe more like 13, 14, something like that? How do you break this one down? Well, first off, I'm going to put on my Jim Beheim here and not thrilled with the selection committee. Off the road, everybody. I'm sorry. I shouldn't laugh at that. Okay.

You know that that's where that's going when you say that. I did not either that or I can, you know, I'm not going to start yelling at Anthony Dubundo. Well, that's what this is regarding here. Don't ask difficult questions of me. I'm not-I'm Jim Beehime. I'm not thrilled with the selection committee here because this is a premier match. I would like to see this on the final weekend

or maybe in the Sweet 16 that make this in the opening round. I get what you're doing. You're putting the two high-price guys together. It's not like these are seated. It's more thematic the matchups. I get that. But there's some other matchups

where I would have liked a better first-round draw. Yeah, we've got to spread the love a little bit. Sometimes you need it. You need it good. If we just have easy first-round matchups, we'll kind of show it. was that sure um so anyways to answer the question i would go mckinney here as more likely i think mckinney's the better player uh the price tag makes me a little skeptical on on mckinney i saw

in shield capatia's piece he had he thought yeah he thought the marcus williams contract was was was was maybe in the ballpark and if for mckinney for mckinney okay if you're talking fourteen million that's that's more uh in line with i think what the eagles might be willing to pay Now, if you're factoring in inflation... There was a thought that maybe the Giants would transition tag McKinney, right? And they chose not to. I think Jonathan Jones reported that part of the thinking was that because Dugger got the tag that would make the McKinney market if he got the tag too prohibitive for them.

It didn't really make a lot of sense to me because you can also rescind the tag and still get the compick. I think it's just not a well-run organization. So if you're doing the exercise of why is this guy available, like it seems too good to be true. maybe it's just a bad organization. It just strikes me as odd that a 24-year-old playmaking safety. He has coverage skills. He can do what you want from that position, a former second round, high second-round pick,

that he would be, that they would let him hit the market. So this is a matter of price, but he's the player to circle back to Friday show. I think he hit it on the head. If you're going to pay someone big money, he's the player that I would target. of like an edge rusher, he's the player that I would target. And it's just how high would that go?

But between these two, McKinney and Curl, I like McKinney more because I think he's a better athlete, and I think there's more coverage ability there. Now you have done a good job sort of like recycling the Malcolm Jenkins free agency, right, when there were two bigger safeties, T.J. Ward and Jarvis Bird, those were the guys at the top of the market bird was coming off that crazy interception season.

but like I think if there are several really good players and the price is not super different, I want to make sure I get the best of them. Now there's some guesswork as to who is the best and like the Eagles probably thought that Jenkins was the best. I think they were a little bit interested in Byrd, not so much war, different type of player, right? But Cameron Curl, to me,

I don't want to pay a premium price for the guy who's like the second or third or fourth best option on the market. I agree with what you're saying there. And I just think McKinney's the better player. I think with Curl, you're paying a bit of an inflated price. And by the way, the commanders are just flush with cap space, right? Yeah. If they're not paying you.

They do have some safety depth. That is part of. Sure, sure. Yeah, they drafted Jetavius Martin last year. Our friend Percy Butler. Percy Butler, Louisiana Tech. You were all over that one. So I hear you there.

I just think, I think McKinney's the better player, the more likely option. It just depends on price. But it's interesting to call back to Marcus Williams, because if you're saying the Eagles don't pay for safeties, no, the Eagles were willing to pay Marcus Williams. They actually went hard after Marcus Williams. They did not get him. Marcus Williams chose Baltimore. That was not based on the Eagles contract.

That was just him wanting to play for Baltimore. And that's a fascinating sliding doors because who knows what would happen with AJ Brown or kind of thereafter if they committed, you know, 14, 15 million to Marcus Williams. But, yeah, are you in line that McKinney's the more likely option? I think of the two, I agree, McKinney. And I just sort of think, I am still not convinced that the Eagles want to spend a lot of money on a safety. I think they might want to bring in an Eddie Jackson type to sort of get through the

first few weeks of this season. He can be the starter if he looks good and is healthy. And eventually you expect it to be Reed Blankenship and Cindy Brown moving forward. I don't think that that's unreasonable, but they're going to add somebody of real significance who is in their prime on defense this year. I feel very confident about that. Yes. And just given the options available, if it's not Legerius Sneed or, you know, J.C. Horn or some trade target at corner, there's no corner on the market.

And at linebacker, like, I think they would like to add a really good linebacker to, like be here for a couple years, but are you going to, would you rather spend, you know, $15 million on Jordan Brooks or on Xavier McKinney? I would much rather spend it on Xavier McKinney. I agree with you. And I think I agree with everything you said in terms of the Eagles being players, something I wrote today.

That's my expectation. The only variable that, that we really haven't discussed is that if Hassan Reddick's camp comes back to them and says, all right, this is, this is the contract we can get. And the Eagles say, Oh, we can pay you that. Right. Like, we're willing to pay you that.

So let's say it's $22 million or $23 million. Then if the Eagles are paying that to Redick, and even though the cap hit would be lower in year one, that would probably view that as their big ticket signing to a certain extent. And then maybe you go in more of like the $5 to $7 million range at safety and at linebacker. Yeah, I think that's possible. All right. So Xavier McKinney moves on and ousts Cameron Curl.

We move on now to a matchup. of some Vic Fangio Connectin safeties. Deshawn Elliott, who was with Fangio in Miami last season, and Eddie Jackson, who we just talked about, who had the best stretch of his career with Fangio in Chicago. The Dolphins thing is interesting because there are so many of these dolphins defenders available, and there are several of them in our bracket here. We have heard that, like, there was some acrimony with players and Fangio,

so it's hard to tell, like, which of those guys would even want to play for him or which of those guys Fangio would want. But Elliot is guy who like, you know, he'd played a lot last year. Fanjo seemed to trust him. But I would lean Eddie Jackson here. So we have our first disagreement here. Okay. So Elliot, first off, long time viewers recognize that, or I shouldn't say, recognize.

What is it, Deshauner? Is it Deshaun Elliott or is it Elliot Deshawn? It's Deshaun Elliott. Okay. I remember that he was someone I was particularly bullish on two years ago when he signed with Detroit in this game. I liked him when he was in Baltimore. I liked them coming out of Texas. And I think when you look at the career arc in Miami,

he joined Miami last year with Fangio. Presumably Fangio wanted him. Good point. Presumably, you know, we see based on playing time, he's someone that Fangio trusted. And when you just look at the age curve, even though he's going on to his fourth team, he's still, what, 27 years old?

Turns 27 in April, yeah. Yeah. So, look, Eddie Jackson is the more accomplished play. you know with Eddie Jackson, you're getting someone who's thrived in this scheme. I'm sorry, he's thrived in this scheme. You're getting someone who has ball hawking ability. But between the two, I just think the profile for Deshaun Elliott makes sense. Now, I can see the Eagles going with the Band-Aid at safety, understanding that you're going to get Sidney Brown back and healthy at some point here, and they do like read Blankenship. But if you're going to be a player in free agency

this year. Everything we've heard is that they're looking to get younger and they're looking for guys who can be with them for a few years. I think this is an interesting one and maybe this is one where it would have been nice to separate them because I think they both make sense because

Elliot is a guy, as you said, you know, the Dolphins signed him last year presumably at Fangio's behest and you're thinking of like this middle class of free agents if the like you're, you're, you're, you're,

You need to like a guy more than everybody else. Sure. They did that last year with Fanjo, right? So that would make some sense. I just think that Eddie Jackson represents, like, if they go down that path, Eddie Jackson will be the guy, I feel like. And so I lean towards Eddie Jackson because I don't feel confident that Deshaun Elliott is the guy who they like the most in that middle class. And to your point, this is his third cracker for agency here. He's going to be on his fourth team in four years, right?

I mean, even though we are expecting Vic Fangio to have say and clout, Hallie Rosemans had chances to sign Elliott before, and they haven't done it. So look, if you say we're going to give Eddie Jackson the survive in advance here, I'm okay with that because of the player, but I think the Eagles are going to steer more toward a mid-20s guy. I'm just not ready to pound the table for Deshaun Elliott. Right, like if would you rather pay Deshaun Elliott $6 million or like all of these other guys we're going to talk about, Jordan Fuller, Gino Stone, Jordan Whitehead, you know, C.J. Garner Johnson, Darnel Savage. It seems reasonable to me that one of those

guys they might like more than Deshaun Elliott, whereas if they're going the 30-year-old route, like I don't think it's going to be Quadra Diggs. I don't think it's going to be Tracy Walker. I think it will be Eddie Jackson. Plus, he was the thumbnail today. Yeah, you know, that should be, it might be the tiebreaker. We can't knock him out in the first round, right? I mean, that's good. That's good TV writing. You know, kill out the, it's like Ned Stark. Yeah, people are tuning in. he's not there, right?

So, all right, fine. Let's have Eddie Jackson move on. Okay. That was a good consensus building. I think that was a good, nice way to do that. All right, we move on now to another safety matchup. Justin Blackman, actually, Julian Blackman. And a nice job by you calling out that on the episode before the show.

Julian Blackman from the Indianapolis Colton, good player, injury history, young, against Jordan Fuller, the guy who combines the... the Ohio State Malcolm Jenkins pedigree and the Rams Ronnie McLeod pedigree, another young player with starting experience, championship experience. Yeah, North Jersey guy, so you know he can handle

the tough fans in the Northeast, right? Blackman's someone who, if memory serves, you liked him coming out of college a few years ago when the Colts took home. Sounds generally familiar, but not something I'm going to pat myself on the back for. Had a productive early career with the Colts then dealt with injuries was back last year.

I gave my forward case last last week. He's someone when you look at, all right, gives you that quarterback of the back end, although you can argue read blanket ships already that role for you, but was a respected figure with the Rams was a key player on their Super Bowl team, has starting experience,

has experience in this scheme, is a good age profile, I like him as an underrated player for the Eagles to sign. So I am, I am, toward him over Blackman, but Blackman's high watermark has been higher than Fulworth's high watermark. Yeah, I think this is another interesting one and continues to tell the picture of like how many

options the Eagles have at safety and why it seems reasonable that they would not go the Eddie Jackson route because there are going to be so many guys in their prime available. I think I agree with you. I would lean fuller here. Now Blackman, you know, you know, Nick Siriani is going to have like, oh, you You know, I got some Julian Blackman stories as we go through our free agency meetings, right? Like they were, what a rookie performance that was for him. He's going to do with Shaq Leonard recruiting pitch.

Right. And that worked out so well before. But I think Fuller, there's a little bit more dependability. Now, he had an injury played 20-22 season, only played three games. But I think just what I picture like the storytelling of the Eagles, what they're looking for. I agree with you. I would lean fuller. I think Blackman is actually very possible

and it could look like a bad first round elimination. Yeah. Look, as I said, his high watermark is one of the top young safeties in the league. I think with four, what you're looking for is more of like a down-the-middle-based hit, right? You're not necessarily looking for your next top of the roster player. You're looking for a core starter for the next few years.

It's probably more of like a Roddy McLeod type signing than a Malcolm Jenkins one. So they signed McLeod for more than Jenkins. They didn't expect Jenkins to become one of the best players in franchise history. Right. And yeah, I think it's a little bit more cost-conscious. Yeah. All right.

Next up, another safety matchup. Gino Stone, unturned from... You love that joke. I do love that joke. I mean, no Stone. How could you not just finish the sentence? He's only 24 years old. Turns 25 in April.

Finally emerged as a full-time starter, although not like every single game more of like a second third safety with the Ravens this year a member of the 2020 Eagles Shadow Draft good job by whoever put that together. Good player

but like athletically a little bit limited smart player you wonder about like taking him out of what was such a good defense how is he going to look in a defense where a little bit more is asked of him he goes up against Jordan Whitehead a one-time quackatology champion

who the eagle should have signed because he went on to have a very productive two-year stretch with the Jets, and he is just a little bit older, but still sub-30, and has gotten his hands on a lot of balls over the past couple years. Let me just find out exactly how old he is. He turns 27 later this month.

Yeah, so look, fool me once, shame on me. Fole me twice, shame on you, right? Jordan Whitehead, I was all about him in the free agency two years ago. I was touting it. I was saying this is the type of player they're going to go after. This makes a lot of sense. I think I was really speaking up about Andy Weidel then

and the Western Pennsylvania part of it. And then Jordan Whitehead goes to Joe Douglas and the Jets. So Gino Stone, you had them in your shadow draft. I believe him. I had him in my final mock draft that year coming out of Iowa. You know what? I say don't pay for a career year. but I think that Gino Stone probably would be the one that I would lean toward here.

I don't know what the dollar figure would be. Once again, the Eagles had a chance at what you had before. Still a young guy. Has that winning experience with Tampa when they won the Super Bowl. But, yeah, I mean, I don't feel strongly about either of this. This is a good matchup. I don't think they're going to sign Stone, but if you're looking for kind of like a smart, productive player in the back end,

That's what Gino Stone would give you. Yeah, I think I was actually initially leaning Whitehead, but what I think Stone gives you is a young player who can be on the team for a few years, but is not necessarily like coming in with the expectation that he needs to be in every down player. Like this is a guy who is comfortable being a rotational player. Now, he might be able to get that opportunity somewhere, and he probably should. but if he comes in and is the starter, but there are packages when it's

Sidney Brown on the field instead of him, maybe that makes sense. I think, yeah, the fact that they didn't really go after Whitehead two years ago is a little bit of a flag, but I think Whitehead is more of a plug-and-play starter, but maybe you can sort of convince yourself that there's upside and stone.

I could go either way. I will let you make this decision. Whitehead also, well, I was going to say Stone also from Western PA. So these are, it's like a, a big Pittsburgh rival here. They're putting French fries in

their sandwiches. Let's go Gino Stone because we've already been full. You're popping the Whitehead pimple.

Well, it's because we've already done the Jordan Whitehead thing, right? We're somewhere new now. Yeah, yeah.

Let's, let's, and I learned this from when I started the show with you and Chil is that you can always

go back to the guy you said that you know, oh, we loved him to you. years ago, right? So you cover your bases when you go Gino Stone. We already have... You can pretend like you said that the Eagles were going to use their second first round pick on Nolan Smith because you pretended, you said they were going to get them first. We already have

property on Whitehead Island. Let's take some, let's put our bid in on Stone Island here. Okay. Next up, we've got Alohae Gilman safety from the Chargers, a little bit undersized at 510201, turns 27 in September. emerged as a full-time starter for the Chargers this past season with some starting experience mixed in there in the past, has had some injury issues but a good, competent player on the back end. Full name, Aloha Lani Okala. Aloha Lani Okala.

Good job. He goes up against Quandre Diggs, who was released by the Seahawks yesterday, older player friends with Darius Slay from their time together in Detroit. He is another like Eddie Jackson type one-year Band-Aid player. Where do you go on this one? Love quandre digs when he was with the Lions and with the Seahawks. That was one of those foolish Lions trades that they made.

They turned into a big-time player for the Seahawks. I don't think Eagles are signing a 31-year-old safety. So I would lean toward Gilman here. I don't have strong Gilman feelings, but I would rather go with the 26-year-old than the 31-year-old. Okay. I'm okay with you. on Gilman, we can chunk it that one.

Move on to the penultimate matchup of the secondary quadrant of the bracket. Our only other cornerback matchup, and that is Christian Fulton, who we talked about a little bit yesterday. Titans Corner had a really good year, two, year three, and then disappointing in year four in his contract year, got benched, then got injured. Or Amique Robertson, who we also talked about yesterday from the Las Vegas Raiders, a little bit undersized, more of a pure nickel, can play on the outside, both of these guys young and able to, like, add to that cornerback

room. Yeah, Fulton fits the profile that I talked about last Friday and what I look for in free agency. You're definitely not paying for the career a year. It's similar to the Connor Barwin, similar to the Malcolm Jenkins, where he's coming off a down year, but he's shown high-level ability in the past, has the draft pedigree. He was a high second-round pick. He's been a productive player. if he was a free agent going into last year,

he probably wouldn't have been paid quite a bit. And so, look, the Eagles have been burned with the LSU second round pick before, but this is an avenue I would pursue over Ameek Robertson, who I did like, by the way, coming out of Lotech, and maybe, maybe the Milton Williams, the Boston Scott, the whole crew, is putting their recruiting pitch on to Ameek. Yeah, I'm curious to see. what the Eagles do at nickel.

Because, I mean, I guess my expectation is they're just going to rework Avanti's contract. He's going to take a pay cut. They're going to keep him around. And then you've got Isaiah Rogers and you feel okay there. But if they just straight up move on from Avanti or let him test out the market, a player like Robertson makes sense. But I'm with you. Fulton feels like the kind of guy that the Eagles would convince themselves makes a lot of sense. Agreed.

And the age profile, you know, the age profile. the draft profile, the position, and there's a chance, you know, if you hit on him, if he returns the form, him and Ringo could be a good pair going forward. Okay. Last matchup of this quadrant now, C.J. Gardner Johnson, who we talked about yesterday, he goes up against Darnel Savage, who was a first round pick of the Green Bay Packers, five years there, more of like a downhill player, but disappointing, like, last couple seasons for Darnel Savage.

Yeah, really like Savage. turns 27 in July. Delaware guy, shout out Martin Frank, went to Maryland. Shout out Michael Dunn. Shout out Michael Dunn. And Marissa Dunn. Yeah, we picked one, you know. Former teammates in Maryland.

Yeah, Darnell and Michael. But between the two, I would lean towards C.J. Gardner Johnson, familiarity. I like the versatility, although you can say the same with Savage to an extent. but I think the Garner Johnson thing could have legs if C.J. wants to come back. The Eagles were interested in bringing him back last year. And like we said in yesterday's show, the Eagles missed C.J. Garner Johnson, I think Halle Roseman recognizes that as well. So this could be a way to get C.J.

Maybe for the deal they were offering him a year ago. I mean, I would not be offering the same deal I was offering last year. I mean, he's coming off playing three games. Okay. But if he wants to come back for like 85%, of that offer. Even then, then you got a minute discount. I like it. You know, it's like getting the car off the lot, like one year later. So you're just getting last year's model at a good price. There you go. I'm with you. C.J. Gardner Johnson will defeat Darnow Savage here, and that'll do it for the secondary quadrant first round. We're half an hour into the show and we've finished a quarter of what we need to finish. So we'll see this. This might end up being a three-day event. Sounds good. Before we move on, though, everybody is. you know, listening to this episode with the boys, with the fellas, with the ladies,

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All right. I know we got to hustle a little bit here. And we may just have to decide that we're not going to finish the first round today. But I do have something that I got to talk about non-football. Let's hear. That is like this has happened to me now twice in the past, like, six. months or so, and it's so confusing to me. You're parallel parking, and now one of the times, it was like it was a very big space,

there were cars behind me, so I pull in front ways just to let everybody else go, and then you do the backup. But twice now, it has happened where, like, I'm backing up, and the person in the car behind me that is parked is in their car, and they start honking, they start beeping, like, they think I'm going to hit their car. Like, first of all, you don't think that I'm aware there's a car there. And second of all, like, you don't think cars have like rearview cameras or like I'm looking. Like, I know how much room I have.

And this happens when it's like not even close. It's like a preemptive honk. Like, what, how stupid do you think I am? And then yesterday, they honk again. I'm like, what? Are you nuts? Calm down. I have a confession.

I've been a honker in that situation Really? Yes. Yeah, I have. I mean, I don't do it frequently And when there's a lot of space, I don't But there are times when people are getting a little close And you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on here, okay? I just know that I am here. And I don't want to go to body shop after this.

And I don't want to be driving around with a knocked-out bumper because you weren't looking. So I don't do this often. But there are times when it's not as much to parallel park. situation. There are times when you're in like a parking lot or something and someone's backing up.

You're like, hey, hey, hey. You're getting a little close. Now listen, there are degrees of beeps. If you just give like a little like the little tap to let you know on there. I'm not up. But I'm like, I'm more of a I cannot even, it is so mind-boggling to me. Like not even close to the car.

Like from from me to the glass is like how close I was and they're like laying on the horn. Like I'm sorry. Am I not allowed to back up within a block of you? Give me a break. Yeah. I'm not going to hit your car.

I'm on your side there, but usually I'm anti-beeping. It, like, ruined my afternoon yesterday. But you know what? All right, so let's have 90 seconds on this, okay? Or 30 seconds, however long. I'm more in favor of the beeping for, like, the safety part of it than the hurry the F up part of it. I don't like when, like, when you're in traffic and someone's beeping behind you.

It's like what am I supposed to do? You see this truck right here. To me, the beep is for the safety thing. It's the beep is for it don't hit me. The beep's not for hurry the F up. I think, I don't disagree with that. Now, the old birds with friends listeners will know that maybe I should have beeped at that woman who was merging into my lane and hit me on the day before.

Oh, yes. I remember that. New England and waylaid my travel plans. to get to see family. Rental car. Yeah. It's like let you know I'm here. Yeah.

But or it's like a, you know, you merge incorrectly. Like you got a, hello. Okay. And there's, there are different types of beeps, as we said. Like somebody's looking at their phone and the light turns green and you give the little like, you know, let them know. But, yeah. Joy, what's your position on this? Whoever it was, if you're a listener yesterday, who beeped at me, go to hell.

Wow. Are you a beeper in that situation, Julia? I feel like when I parallel park, I don't use the reverse camera, so I'm physically turning around. So they can see that I'm, you know, I'm looking at them. But I wouldn't be opposed to just like a little, a little honk. The parking, like, I see, I saw your car. Like, it's not like emerging into a lane or something. I don't know.

Emily hates parallel parking with me because, I mean, I'm a fine parallel parker. That doesn't sound like a good enough. No. I'm a fine parallel parking. not a great one. I'm fine one. No, she doesn't because I am very conscious of the person behind me. And she's like, don't worry about them. Just, just, just park. And I'm like, I don't. She wants you to give him a love tap. She wants you to give him the. No, no, no, the person, not the person behind me in the parking. Yeah. So, like, if, if I'm, I would circle. If you know this is going to be a couple moves, you don't want to. Exactly. I don't want to hold up all the traffic. So I, I will circle the block. So I don't have to hold up the traffic. And she's like, you're going to circle the block.

That space isn't going to be there. And everything. time she's she's right. So she's like, she's like, just park, you're too focused, this is her issue with me sometimes, is that you're too focused on everyone else and you're not focused on us. And it's something to that. Yeah, so it's something to think about. Okay. All right, let's talk linebackers. Now we have an entire bracket of 16 linebackers here because there's no way that the egos are going to leave free agency without signing a linebacker, right? Let's start at the very top of the market, Patrick Queen, who is expected to be the highest paid linebacker in for agency, or Tyrell Dodson from the Buffalo Bills, who has been a part-time player for Buffalo over the past

couple of years, emerged as a full-time player last year when Matt Milano went down, turns 26 in June. You can bet on a little bit of upside there, but a limited player, not a, not solving anything. Yeah, the time for the Eagles to get Patrick Queen would have been last year when the Ravens signed Roquon Smith and then drafted. Trenton Simpson. I don't think the Eagles are going to pay top of the market price for a linebacker. That's a Patrick Queen is going to command. So by default here, I'm going Tyrell Dodson.

This is not because I have a strong opinion on Dodson. This is more because I don't think the Eagles are paying enough for Queen. Okay, I'm with you. Let's move on to a pair of former high draft picks, Willie Gaye from the Kansas City Chiefs, great athlete, but displaced a little bit in that linebacker room over the past stretch of the season, 26 years old. He goes up against you boy, Kenneth Murray, one of the walking, glaring Hollywood signs

for why you don't draft a linebacker on the first round. Yeah, Kenneth Murray, by the way, is the reason why Kaiser White was on the Eagles. The Chargers let Kaiser White walk so they can get Kenny Murray playing time, and Kenneth Murray did not, and I'm sorry, Kenneth Murray did not take advantage of that playing time.

Like Kenneth Murray coming out of Oklahoma, maybe this is a second chance player for you, but between the two, I think Willie Gay for the reasons we mentioned in last Friday show, he's available because the chiefs are paying money elsewhere, good athletes, Starkville High School, and I think he can kind of fit in next to Nacobie Dean. Do you take anything from Kenneth Murray having played in like a Fangio-style defense for Brandon Staley?

It's a good point. There might be something to that. And again, I think the Eagles actually liked him coming out of Oklahoma as well. but yeah they're there look if they took kenneth murray you you know i would give that a high mark former first round pick really high like really productive college player change the scenery you're you're tapping into something that the chargers couldn't uh so i would give that a high mark but i think willie gay's a more likely option yeah i would feel better about the chances of you getting more out of kenneth murray than he than with willie gay like he played for spags

they probably got the best out of him that they could. And is this a guy you want to pay for a second contract? Whereas with Murray, it's like, you know, Brandon Staley probably stinks, and you get him with a professional, and maybe you can make more use of him. I think I would lean Murray, actually. But I'm willing to go gay.

Let's go Murray here. Try it out. Let's go Murray here because poor Ernie Sims doesn't need you to make a bunch of Shark in the Water jokes for the next, however many months. Yeah, he does feel like Shark in the Water material. You already had that. I believe that was in your write-up.

And the longtime listeners know that's a reference to Sean McDermott talking about Ernie Sims. So let's go Kenneth Murray. Why not? Okay. Next up we have, maybe this is another one where too good of a matchup for the early rounds, but we've got Jordan Brooks, another former first round pick from the Seattle Seahawks. He turns 27 in October. He goes up against Blake Cashman, Brian's son, who emerged as a pretty good player in the middle of the Texans defense last year.

But more of a journeyman, time with the Jets as well. And he turns 28 in May. He is actually not Brian Cashman. Yeah, I was about that. I just want to confirm. You know, I also want to make clear, I've heard Blake Cashman describe this as a sneaky good athlete. There's nothing sneaky about it. He's a really good athlete.

that was always like his rep coming out of Minnesota. Really good athlete. Actually, someone who I thought they, in the past... One of those real classic square jaws. Okay. In the past, I thought they would pursue him when Nick Rawls was here because I know him and Nick Rallis have a background when he was at Minnesota. But between the two, I think Jordan Brooks is the more likely target.

You're saying that. Maybe Zach always leans toward the former first-round pick. I think Jordan Brooks has been a productive player. with the Seahawks and sometimes when there's a new coaching staff, you kind of get lost in the shuffle. He looks like Josh McCown procreated with a Rubik's Cube. I don't know how you came up with that. That is a really random thing. It looks like Josh McCown just with a square head.

I don't know how a Rubik's Cube gets to be part of the procreation process. But between the two, I will go Jordan Brooks and I think Jordan Brooks would be a good signing. I actually wish that... You think it would be a good signing, even if you cost $16 million. Well, not at $16 million. No. I don't think it costs $12 million. I think $10 million is the number I would put.

I don't know if that's a good signing. I probably wouldn't give a linebacker $10 million. I would play more in like the $5 to $7 million area. I would try to find what Kaiser White was or $9. Brooks is probably going to get the second or third highest amount of guaranteed money in this class, right? Him or Frankie Louvo. Yeah, you're a Louvo guy. You think the Eagles are going to pay that?

I, well, knowing Howie, no. But I don't know Vic Fangio, and I think Vic Fangio needs linebackers. And unless there's a... I think Cashman, I feel like every time we have a disagreement, it goes my way. But I would go Cashman here pretty hard. All right. Well, if you're pounding the table, then so be it. I did say to you at the Combine, what are your thoughts in Jordan Brooks?

Yeah, I really like Jordan Brooks. This is a bad first-round matchup, bad job by the committee here. Yeah, because I actually don't love this next matchup. Yeah, I think either of these guys could have won the quadrant. If you feel strongly about Casman, so be it. But I also look at it this way. Like the Texans have a reason to keep Cashman. They've got a lot of, and they have a lot of space.

They have cap space. And he was really productive in D'Amico's defense last year. So this is one that I thought. And he was also, he was acquired by this regime. You know, so I would think that the Texans would try to keep him. Like there's more of a reason why Brooks is available from Seattle. They have a new head coach. They're kind of turning over a new leaf.

You saw Jamal Adams yesterday. You saw, you know, you saw quandary digs. So that makes more of a reason why Brooks would be available. But if you feel strong. Okay. All right. Nice. You also like going with the younger guys and Brooks is younger.

Yeah. Okay. By a year. Yeah. A year in the NFL is a lot. Yeah. Yeah. I think Cashman is a guy who will be on their radar if he gets free, but we'll go Brooks for now.

And if Cashman is, they sign him on like at like 1230 on Monday morning, I feel like I can take a little bit of a... You can take a whiff? Yeah, okay. I'll let you take your, uh, you could talk about your Rubik's Cube, Josh McCown, think you can have that one. Thank you very much. All right. Now we have a fan geo connection here up next. Josie Jewel, the outlaw from the Denver Broncos, 29 years old, I believe.

competent player in the middle of the defense. And the other option here is a friend of the Duns. Sioni Taki Taki, who once took one to the house against Carson Wentz. Yeah, so honestly, that's my Sioni Taka Taki fact. That's what I was about to say. Don't have a strong Sioni Taki Taki opinion.

Josie Joel liked him coming out of Iowa, played well. He was taken by Fangio. I guess if you're just looking for like that solid... Both 29. You know he can play the defense. I guess I would go with Jule as more likely because of the background. But Taki-Tocky.

I mean, how much fun is that going to be to say for a whole season? Taki-I-Tackey. Yeah, but I would go Juel just because of the Fangio connection. I agree with you. Next up, Cody Barton, who went to sign a one-year deal with Washington last season after being in Seattle. Or Devin White, another one of your boys, former fifth overall draft pick of a Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Let's be real here. can I I wrote white here

I mean can I not go with Devin White former number five over a thing who you like the exercise is for the Eagles I just don't I don't think either one of them is is the more likely target for the Eagles once again if Washington is letting someone go this offseason then I'm thinking like now it is a new defense right

they're turning over a new leaf Washington has more money to pay than anyone but Devin White there's a reason why Tampa Bay is not bringing him back. He has the reputation of being a freelancer. He was really productive early on there, but has not been what they hoped.

So probably Barton's the more likely option. Interesting. I think they could talk themselves into Devin White. I could talk to you. I could talk to him into Devin White. If Hallie wants to call me right now, I'll talk you in the Devin White. But I'll defer to you on this one.

I think White. Okay. I don't think Cody Barton is good enough to, and he's like, he's too good to get paid like a million dollars and he's not good enough to be like your answer and I don't think that they are going to sign two starting level players at the position

I think they're going to sign a really good player in their mind and then backfill with like a depth guy and I don't think Barton fits in that equation so I go Devin White here so I'm deferring to the Bowulf rankings here in a quick aside my brother always makes fun of me in like fantasy baseball auctions where there's like a player that I like

but I'm looking at a ranking and he's like this this guy's like 57 just used and then there's another guy who's like the 37th guy is on the board and I'm like the 37th option's on the board that I got to go with the 37 guy and my brother's like do you know how arbitrary these these rankings are right this is just some guy putting together like yeah yeah take the guy you like um but I'm deferring to the boat wolf rankings here and devon white was 37 and Cody Barton was in the 50s 55 yeah so let's go with devon white I'm happy to do that. Next up, a couple of former Los Angeles Chargers.

Eric Kendricks, who was released yesterday and is the brother of Michael Kendricks, and we all agree looks strikingly similar to Jason Cee. Yeah. He goes up against Drew Tranquil, who started his career with the Chargers, and then was a good player for the Chiefs down the stretch last season. Both of these guys are a little bit older. Tranquil, not as old as Kendrick's. Tranquil turns 29 in August.

Eric Kendricks would be more of a band-aid. He turned 32 last week. Yeah, Trankel was one of the players who, there was a story during the Super Bowl week that I saw where the Eagles were actually pushing hard to get him last year. And he was deciding between the Eagles and another team and the Chiefs and Andy Reid sent him a text about coming there and he went to Kansas City.

So there's a background here. He's younger than Kendricks. So I would lean toward Tranko. Do you think Andy shit-talked Philly in that text? No, Tranquo actually put the screenshot of the. text up. I can actually pull this up if you want to talk real quick. One, two, three.

One, two, three. It said, yeah, so this was, he shared the recruiting text. It was, he had the screenshot here. Andy Reid actually, good texture. Do you say that from experience? I'm saying it based

on this story. Have you ever exchanged text with? I'm not going to get into that. Come on. The other thing I I wrote down on my notes. I wrote down the parking thing, the Wake Forest Travel, and the other thing was just to shout out the Brendan Quinn story. Yeah, great job.

Tom is our son on the athletic, which is like, that guy is so good. Yeah, so Andy. Andy Reid gave us this text. If you need to talk, if you need to talk, my phone is on ring. Till then, C-red and think Super Bowls. And he said, thanks, coach. I'll call you if any questions pop up today as we process the decision. Andy Reid says perfect

capital P exclamation or with the period like you know the one sentence there interesting there where you see it's just one A instead of the AR and do you think he saved it as first name

Andy Reed? Yes that's how it's yeah he saved his first name Andy Reed but also 128 28 texts that he hadn't responded to I mean maybe Sirianis is in there Can that compete and he wasn't inspired by that but anyways

he went to and I just text him Rock, and he's expecting whether Trankel's going to text back scissors or paper. Also, Andy with the emoji. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not an emoji text. I've only done like an emoji like four or five times before. In your entire life.

In my entire life. Yes. And usually I've actually shout out to Elliott's Short Parks. It's not a hard thing to figure out. Shout out to Elliott Short Parks. I've gotten people who've responded with emojis to me and I will copy it and not the whole text, just the emoji. And I'll text to Elliot and I'm like, I would say, Elliot, can you translate this for me?

And Elliot will translate it for me. I swear to God, shout out to Elliot. Does he charge his service? No, this is something that happens all the time. I had a, I mean, I had a player recently who texted an emoji back to me, and I texted Elliot, and I'm like, Elliot, what does this emoji mean? And he's like, oh, this is a really good sign. And I'm like, oh, nice, okay.

But I did not, I had no idea what the emoji meant. I mean, that's a lot of power for Elliot. he could really lead you astray. Like, what does this mean? It's like, oh, that means that the player hates Nick Siriani. I mean, here, I'm going to pull up some of these Elliot texts. I'm going to see. I mean, there's a lot of texts in here.

I got a lot of texts with Elliot. Yeah. But you could probably see Elliot's more of the emoji guy. This is wild. You have scrolled up so far. Yeah. But anyways, Elliot can tell you. He's my emoji translator.

Wow. All right. Someone says ZB is not a good textor. No, I have a good texture in my way. Like, I think Bo and Sheila and Julia can tell you that and Marissa that I'm a good texture. I just don't text with emojis. You're a much better textor on the laptop.

Oh, yes, for sure. Yeah, for sure. Famously. I'm a good typer. I'm not a, yeah. But whatever, for whatever. By the way, you're also funnier that way. Yeah, well, I'm putting more thought.

I mean, when I'm texting on the on the phone, I got a bunch of things going on, right? Actually, this morning, Schill's going to appreciate this. That we, I was at 7-Eleven with my son. And he said, he said, Dad, why do you always go on your phone when we're in the parking lot? And I said, because I don't text when we drive anymore. I used to, I did say anymore.

And I said, and so Schill told me to respond the text when we're in the parking lot. He's like, because he said, Renee, what are you doing? He said, why don't you just do this? at home. So, yeah, I, but usually when I text on my phone, it's just a quick response back. And when I'm at my computer, there's, like, thought into it. Okay. All right. So Eric Kendricks or Drew Treinkle? I said Drew Truncle. Okay. Yeah. Next up, Aziz Al-Shayir from the Tennessee Titans,

who was the third linebacker in San Francisco for a while, went to Tennessee, had a very good season, racked-up tackles, very good against the run, or Jerome Baker, who was released by Miami yesterday, a full-time player for them. He dealt with injuries for the first time last season, knee and ankle injuries. I think Drew Rosenhaus went on radio yesterday and explained that that's why he was released, but still a young player theoretically in the prime of his career, and we know that Fangio trusted him to play last year. Where did you go on these two? I am going with Jerome Baker. I actually, I was intrigued when I saw that.

I don't think the Eagles are going to worry so much about the compic formula this year, but that he doesn't affect you in the compic formula. Still a young player. Background in this defense, I know from reading some Fangio clips that when Fangio got that job, he said Baker's a guy who has another level to him. I don't know if he experienced that under Fangio last year. But I like Baker coming out of Ohio State, and he's someone I would pursue. From a third round pick, I think I agree with you.

We'll go, Jerome Baker here. I think that's one where would potentially make a lot of sense. I also want Aziz Shih Tzu to remain the top Aziz in Eagles history. Okay. Yes. What about Aziz Ansari? I'm big Aziz Ansari comedy fan, although I didn't love that as the show progressed the television show or the Netflix show. Oh, really?

I thought actually the last season, the one that he wasn't in. Oh, yeah. I thought that was some of the best TV I've seen in a while. I thought it was great. He was the drawl to me. I thought that was really, really good. I mean, okay, I got to go back and watch it. I remember if I watched like the first two episodes.

It wasn't that funny. I'm like, yeah, that's, I'm watching Aziz's show because I want to laugh. It's a much different show. I mean, I'm not, I don't need to get in the dark shows. If I'm giving up my time, I want to laugh. So anyways, Azisha too, the best disease in Eagles history. Okay. All right.

Last one. Yes. You boy. We're going to debate this one. Jeremy Chin, you have pounded the table for him before. We put him in the linebacker situation here, mostly to help fill out the bracket. And he goes up against his former teammate with the Panthers, Frankie Louvoo, both of these guys young-ish. Louvo, 28 in September.

Chin, I'm going to guess, is going to be 26. Let me double check. Yeah, I'm not as much a Louvo guy as you are. And. From a evaluation. evaluation standpoint or from a connected to the Eagles standpoint. From an evaluation perspective.

Not reporting anything with the Eagles. I wasn't as impressed with him as, you know, I thought he was like a volume play guy, but not like a consistent play guy. I could be wrong. The Eagles valuation is what matters. I know you went deep in this. You've really liked him.

Maybe I'm colored by four. Listen, I'm not like watching grind in the tape of every Frankie Louvre. snap, but in theory, he's a guy who is around the ball a lot. Yes. And my, like, operating philosophy on defense, and that's not necessarily with Fingangio, but, like, give me the volatility. I want a guy who can create big plays.

That matters so much more to me on defense. You know, if he misses a couple assignments, but can get you a turnover. Yeah. That's better than, you know, the guy who's a step away from the guy he's defending every snap but is in the right place. Yeah, look, I hear you, and that has validity, and I can't argue with that. You have the numbers. By the way,

we keep referencing this. Make sure you check out Bo's Top 100 on all-P-HL-Y.com. You can be a die-hard for it, but it's worth the price of admission. That so if you add up SACs, interceptions, force fumbles, and fumble recoveries over the past two

seasons, he has the most in the league along with DeMario Davis. There's some volume to that. Now, Patrick Queen and Josie Jewel are half a sack behind. So it's not like they're far out in front. And Devin White is in there, and he is a flawed player too. So that is just a volume thing, but that is at least attractive to me. Yeah, I hear what you're saying.

And I'm conflicted. I'm very conflicted with Chin. Like coming off a bad year where he clearly did not fit in that defense. Is he a safety? Is he a linebacker? I suppose that from like a game theory perspective, shout out the Niz, if I'm picking him, then it's a chance of hitting on the linebacker or the safety category, right? But I don't know that that really, he's just, he's in the bracket, he's in, he's not going to.

Yeah, but I'm saying. Yeah, like, of them signing him. That's true. That's true. They can sign him as a linebacker. Like every free agent ranking you see has Lovu high. I want to like Louvo more than I. Like there's people who know a lot more about football than I do

who grade Louvo higher. I just because he wasn't drafted high. That's why I don't like him. Look, maybe. Maybe there's an anchoring bias there. I will admit that. I just didn't think that like over time. I wasn't as impressed with Louvo as I wanted to be.

And I do think that, you know, you have to be able to cover to play lineback. in the NFL. So that factors into it here. You're absolutely right. He's around the ball. He makes plays. But I mean, and I don't know if Chin fits this defense,

but I do know that the Eagles really like Chin in the past and that he's someone that they talked about trading for in the past. I actually think that Chin is more likely for the Eagles, separate from the play. I don't think that the Eagles are going to be the team that values Frankie Lubu the most. I think there will be different style defenses that do that. Yeah. Well, I'm glad you said, like, with Louva, one thing you're getting is that a guy who can pressure the quarterback in blitzing situations.

And that's not necessarily the way I think the Eagles defense is going to play this year. Well, I think there will be more of that than there was the past couple years. But, yeah, it's not the main thing. Yeah. So are you willing to go chin? Yeah, I agree. I think Chin is more likely. Oh, wow.

Okay. Yeah. All right. I like that. to wrap this up. All right. All right. So we got halfway through what we wanted to get through today.

But I will say the later rounds, you're not doing as much analysis on the players. Sure. So I think that's fine. So tomorrow we'll do the big uglies and the skill guys. And then on Friday we'll crown a champion. And we'll fill in whatever other Eagles news happens along the way. So Legerius Sneed, Xavier McKinney, Eddie Jackson, Jordan Fuller, Gino Stone, Aloha, Gilman, Christian Fulton, C.J. Gardner Johnson, Tyrell Dodson, Kenneth Murray, Jordan Brooks, Josie Jewel,

Devin White, Drew Tranquil, Jerome Baker, and Jeremy Chin remain alive in the quest to be crowned. The 2024 Free Agent Quackatology Champion. By the way, Julia, you can see why in the past this was a three-hour show. Yes. Yeah. And for all of you out there, if somebody is reversing, and is not even that close to you, lay off the horn. And if they get a little bit close, maybe just a love tap, but like, take it easy. And for the people in the comment, you can't, in the comments, you can't fool me about emojis.

I will not send an emoji unless I know what it means. So you're saying, this is what it means. You should send this out. I get the joke. I will not do it. And I'm more of a words guy than an emoji guy. So I will always prefer to put words than emojis. You know the thank you emoji?

the thank you emoji which one's that the peach you say oh thank you here's a peach there's actually in our Discord which you can subscribe

to if you are a diehard there's a big emoji discussion and someone wanted to have like a yes and a no emoji and I'm not I appreciate anyone who's a Discord member

who's a diehard member but I would say you can just write yes or no also you know I guess it crowds the messages yeah that's a much different yeah

Okay. Okay. All right. Well, Peach to all of you for listening to this episode of the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast. Thank you so much. We are back tomorrow at noon for Zach and Julia. I'm Bo. Thanks for listening. Thanks for watching. Talk to you tomorrow. And as always, we love you.