PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | Who lasts longer, Nick Sirianni with the Philadelphia Eagles or Jonathan Gannon with the Cardinals?

Episode Date: June 14, 2024

It’s a Friday tic-Zach-Bo edition of the PHLY Eagles podcast with topics ranging from the coaching hypothetical outlined in the headline to the prospect of negotiating with Howie Roseman, Haason Reddick vs. Bryce Huff and, you guessed it, Caitlin Clark.Join Zach Berman and Bo Wulf for all the fun. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Zach Berman ready for another rousing edition of Tick Zach Boe. Zach's got the topics lined up. We're going to work our way through them. But more importantly, we have an exciting announcement about Zach's book coming up during this episode. Zach, how you doing? Happy Friday. I'm doing great. Excited for the show.

I was about to say. We got a bit of like a GI Joe thing going on between the two of us in color scheme-wise. Okay. A little camouflage. Yeah, I respect that. I was going to say in honor of Jonathan Gannon and happy Friday because that's what he would say if he walked in here. Now why in honor of him?

Or in a nod to him. He would come in on Wednesdays and he would be overflowing with enthusiasm and he would say happy Wednesday. And some of the reporters said, and I would say happy or good morning or good afternoon. I forget which one it was. but yeah, happy Friday. Well, congratulations to Jonathan Gannon

for inventing the phrase happy whatever day of the day it is, a day of the week it is. Well, happy Friday. You enjoy a summer Friday? Yeah, why not? I mean, I don't necessarily like to be sweating as I like walk around, I would say,

but I don't like a summer Friday, absolutely. There's something blissful about a summer Friday. A home, a U.S. Open. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, this is, this is, I said this on Monday. This is like the period where you're untethered, right? There's no football.

There's no, you are now. You sent off the final edits of the book last night where you're done, done and dust. It's out of your hands now. But just in general, for the past 12 years of my life, 13 years now, this time, these six weeks are when there's like a certain weight off your shoulders on Fridays. So you feel. You guys like driving out to the shore?

What have we got going on? Yeah, we're going to spend some time down the shore. It reads birthday tomorrow, excited for that. Oh, baby. Yeah, June 15th. It's also Nick Siriani's birthday. Happy early birthday, the Nick Siriani tomorrow. And Father's Day on Sunday.

Only in your house would your son's birthday be upstaged by the birthday of the head coach of the football team. It's certainly not upstaged by it, but it's how I remember Nick Sirianni's birthday, honestly, because it's the same day is my son's birthday. And how important is that to know the head coach's birthday? How important is it? Yeah, for, you know, for young reporters out there. It's not important. But whenever you can have a personal touch, it's good. Sure.

Right? People want to know that you don't just view them as just a stuffed shirt. You know, it's a person with a birthday and a family, a young kids, and a wife, and parents and siblings. Is Nick Sirianian going to be getting a text tomorrow that says, let's make this the best year yet? I won't do that. I won't do that. Yeah. But Nick, I hope this is your best year yet.

Okay. Now, do you have a, we're not big, sure people. people, but there's everyone's got their like philosophies on when to go out and how to beat the traffic. What do the Bermans do? Well, I'm working today. Today. Yeah. So typically.

But you're not going to, are you going to go Friday rush hour? You're going to go. Yeah, I'm going to go out of this. I'm going to go out of this. But typically I would go in these past 12 years that I've referenced, I've had flexibility. I work from home. So you can leave at 7 a.m. get down there and work from the shore for the day. I've done a few pods and interviews down there.

but here I'm my new life I'm here doing a show and we know about Reed's birthday party what what's in store for the actual birthday uh we're going to celebrate with his cousins and and just just celebrate him he's an awesome kid it's the joy of my life amen yep all those shots fired at sloane at Sloan as well but it's not Sloan's birthday tomorrow so uh yesterday the epis the anecdote that closed the show about Reed's birthday party ranks for me is one of my favorite Zach Berman stories of all time. Have you gotten any feedback since the episode went up? Not necessarily.

I stand by my position. I think I did give him another chance, but I stand by my position. Only like kicking and dragging. No, I, you play by the rules. You play the conditions that are in place. Well, here's what I would say. your you know your comparisons to like the Astrodome or whatever

you are assuming you were the one running the game you didn't explain those rules those baseball players know the rules of the stadium when they enter and the game begins it was on you for not explaining the rules of the game first off I'm excited to get to our show but I'm just going to defend part of the spirit of that game was that I wanted everyone to be involved

right sure if you're playing like soccer or football or even baseball sometimes there's like a kid who's just kind of like in the corner he's not getting the ball sure the other thing that i'm very sensitive to in this situation because i saw it for like the first you know 45 minutes of the party or whatever is kids at this age they have captains right and then you don't want anybody getting picked last yeah i saw that but but i'm there are people pick last that's that's life but then the people were trying to do trades right and it's like you feel bad so this is a way where it's every man or well i It's every man because it was only boys at the party, besides Sloan.

Every man for themselves or every boy for themselves. So I thought that was a better approach than splitting the teams up and having captains. Okay. Yeah. That's fine. It doesn't address the criticism of not spending the rules, but that's fine. I didn't think it through. We have a great show.

You mentioned trades, Zach. Now, the way that this works, you've got your grid here. You've got Eagles, NFL, and miscellaneous. And you've got the categories of convince me, Would pecker you rather and predict? Since you talked about trades, let's get into the one that I know you want to talk about the Howie Roseman, Adam Peters negotiation.

Which one is that? That is NFL convince me. All right, let's do NFL convince me. So, Bree, when you have a minute, Bree's our outstanding producer today. If we can see this footage that the commanders put out. Hey, I don't want to lose a pick. So just throw me back 161.

I'll what you said, and you're good. one of the biggest events of sporting world. Thank you very much for your participation. No. One minute remaining. Okay. Okay. Can we just get the higher pick?

The higher pick? Los Angeles France has submitted their pick. Washington is now on the clock. Hey, bud. Okay. Okay. No. 50, 53, 163.

53 161. Otherwise we'll pick it in. The best in Iraq in the country. 5053 161. Otherwise we'll pick it in. No, 161. 161. No, 161.

No, he tried to say it was 210. What? Yeah, I think he's going to do it. But he's like, yeah, okay, let me talk it back. 50, 53. I said 161. Just keep going to do it.

Right. Okay. You're paying me. So for the audio listeners there, that was Adam Peters, the commander's general manager, and Halle Roseman, the Eagles general manager, negotiating the trade in the second round. when the Eagles moved up to get Cooper to Gene, and you see the behind the scenes of the negotiation. And we talked about this when the Eagles put their clips out.

Like it's fascinating to see this. You get to see how the sausage or the tofu is made. And I'm curious, though, because I think Eagles fans' interpretations of this is like, oh, this is how he's being awesome or, you know, how he can be tough to negotiate with. As from like an objective third party here, when you watch that. Dirty negotiation, all fair and love and trades.

How do you, how do you, like, what's your read on that? Oh, I don't think it's dirty at all. I mean, that's, he was in the power position. Why, yeah, why would that be dirty? No, for, no, on how on Howie? It seemed like in the end, he tried to, like, change what are the picks? Yeah, I mean, that's, like, they thought they had a deal and then, what, Howie came in, it's like 210 and I mean, how he is obviously, like,

Like he's notorious for trying to get every margin that he can. I don't know. I feel like that's probably. I don't think he also maybe said it in jest. Yeah, okay. Like, you know, Peters has a smile on his face when he says it. I think he was maybe half joking. I'm caring a lot about like, you're making this material trade for a second round, you know,

for Cooper the Gene. It got you, you really want. And you're fighting over like which fifth round pick. You're trading, getting back. back like that's that's part of what what makes how he is like he he cares about every edge right um so so as as you watch that i'm curious a few things your your views on the trade negotiation uh also josh harris um what did you view well hold on before we get to the the you know distractingly sexy owner in the room uh the actual trade terms yeah the deal were 4078 and 152 for 5053

So the Eagles were moving up 10 spots with from 50 to 40, but then parachuting back 25 spots in the third round. And then what Peters, you know, the negotiation there is he's asking for a better fifth round pick in return. And the trade charts do make this a lopsided win for the commanders. But like the Eagles were calling teams. Exactly. All over the second round, the top of the second round to try to move up. So at some point you got to you got to make the move. I thought it was, you know, probably good negotiation from Peters.

The Eagles were desperate to get to Jean, so it sort of makes sense. Okay, go ahead and ask me about Mr. Sexy. What did you think of the owner of the Washington commanders, Josh Harris, who also owns the Philadelphia 76ers? What do you think of his role sitting next to Adam Peters during that negotiation? What did I think of his role? Or like his commentary. He said something about Howie there.

He's like, yeah, it was like he's like, he's like, yeah, It was like he's always trying. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. He's going to take it. Everybody's going to take it. He's going to do it. What did I think?

I mean, you know, this is his first draft in the draft room. It makes sense that he would want to know what's going on and be involved. And try to be a chummy with the GM. I don't know. So your overall view of that because one of my takeaways is. It's just got to be hard to focus. I mean, this is like the most important weekend of the franchise over the course of the year. And you got this like sexy guy just making everybody lose their attention.

You're fixating on that. No, so there's you hear there's a minute left, right? Yeah. There's a minute left. Like there's this is happening. We'll pick, dude. We'll pick. Yeah, this is happening like in real time.

You know, in the first round of the draft, sometimes these trades like worked out ahead of time. right if our guys here what would it take to move up right and in the second round to a certain extent that's the case but clearly like this is a trade that was consummated with a minute left on the clock so the convinced me part of this is is like your overall view of how he as a negotiator of adam peters as a negotiator of what you can learn from NFL trade negotiations from this video well i don't know that you can learn too much about adam peters i mean that they're this is from the team website so they're selecting ones where exactly He did a good job and came out well.

They're not going to show you videos in which he maybe lost a negotiation. I think it goes to the thing that we were talking about with James Palmer on Wednesday that like, yeah, how is calling everybody? And I think sometimes if you want a guy desperately, you're going to, you know, history does tell us that trading up

is not really the best way to go about things. Like historically you're not necessarily going to come up with the better player. Now, they didn't come out of this with fewer picks. a three for three. But like knowing that they did the work and Cooper de Gene was a real possibility for them in the first round. And you know, Jeffrey Lurie saying on the phone that he went to bed last night, think like hoping that this would be a possibility. Like at some point you got to do what first of all you know your owner wants and also like all of the work that everybody put in.

This guy is hanging out there as a clear obvious target. I think that makes sense. In terms of like how like into the weeds how he wants to get or like how much he wants to be a pain in the ass as he and Peters talk about it I mean yeah like you know

I heard from somebody that like how he was calling at the top of second round with like ridiculous offers that would have been insane for a team to take so that's of course he's gonna try that that's I don't know

it's maybe an insight into his negotiation negotiating style right that he's anchoring low and hoping that it can come back to a better place I've always I've compared how and I say this actually endearingly like respectfully to the person in your fantasy football league or fancy baseball league or fancy basketball league who sends so many trade offers right and because like you you never know if like one day you guys like that seems interesting I'll I'll trade that I acquired Corbyn Carroll in my fancy baseball league the other day just kind of like on a I don't want to say on a win but I'm like I'm going to try it so you're that guy you're the annoying guy oh if you looked at my fantasy baseball league now every owner gets gets an offer for me a day basically yeah offer a day or like I'm very aggressive in trying to upgrade my team yeah um but the one thing I I did want to ask because you have more gamesmanship sometimes than I do and I say that respectfully as well um do you think a GM ever calls while a team's on the clock I don't want to say maliciously but like strategically

just distract them yeah like I'm gonna you know you know I don't want you to get a big haul for this pick. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to chew the clock down, do this negotiation, say, yeah, that's too much for me. And then that team's left the pick instead of, you know, because look, there's 10 minutes or however long, right? There's a minute left. Like, you got to be selective about who you're talking to in that situation, right? Yeah, I think the problem is it's, you know, it's a repeated game, right? And so if you're doing stuff like that, that is obviously not on the level, like that's going to, it's going to come back to. fight you it's going to get around right fair enough so for full disclosure that was a late

edition i i i had this grid all set yesterday afternoon i saw that clip last night and i was like we need to talk about it on the show so that was a late addition to this what did it come at the expensive um i i i so i moved a few things around but you are not going to be talking about holdouts on on on this that there was going to be a would you rather on a holdout would you would you rather a holdout by like um by design for a contract or a hold out for like you know or i should just say apathy like Aaron Rogers is holding out because he's like eh or I'm sorry not holding out um I'm missing OTAs or or missing have Aaron Rogers yeah what's that no but like there's sometimes veterans are like yeah just give me the fine I'm fine and there are times when it's like

strategic as far as like would you rather an unhappy player as an unhappy player or like an apathetic player. Well, I don't think apathetic is a fair just, like if Lane Johnson doesn't go to minicamp. No, no, no, a mandatory thing. Not, yeah. So what? Okay, yeah. So that one. You'd rather Aaron Rogers right now than Hassaner like.

Well, no, not Aaron Rogers. I'd rather, you know, if Lane Johnson's like, I want to be with my family, that's better than Aaron Rogers is to go to some RFK rally or whatever it is. Okay. Let's get one or two more in before the, before the ad run. All right. Let's do, uh, let's do, uh, Let's do Eagles.

Let's do Eagles predict the future. Eagles predict the future. This is an interesting one. Do you think Jalen hurts changes anything he says regarding Nick Siriani when he meets with the reporters during, you know, the training camp at the start of training camp? Do you think his approaches, I need to be more clear with this? Or do you think his approach is, man, you guys, you guys are a rat poison. You're always trying to start some kind of crap here. Like which approach do you think he takes?

Yeah, I don't think I've seen anything from Jalen Hertz in the four years he's been with a team to make me think that he's going to like reverse course and all of a sudden be like, you know what, guys, I'm sorry. You know, I actually, I really do like Nick Siriani. I think he's great for the, you know, the morale of the team. That's my guy. I should have said something back, you know, in the spring. I'm sorry about that. Let's just move on. So you think nothing changes.

You think this is going to be Jalen's, this can be how Jalen answers these questions. He's going to be like cryptic. be he might give a little bit more if someone's asking him a seriani thing i would imagine that like he's probably being asked to do that on the PR front but uh i don't think that he's going to i think it's much more likely to be like what you said where it's going to be more like you guys you guys make something on everything like this is it's all rat poison i'm not i'm not dealing with that yeah so so the interesting thing to me um this has been obviously a topic i mean for the i'm not going to say we're not included we discussed this anthony showed

discuss this, but if you put on talk radio, if you read the columns and the newspapers, like this is, this is come up. It's no way to pay. And, um, and Jeff McLean, my, my former colleague at the inquired is an outstanding job. He's a podcast out now, kind of with some of his like, uh, thoughts and reports from mini camp. And in one thing he said is that there were, uh, people inside the building who are like really annoyed, who are annoyed by that answer by Hertz.

And what's interesting there is sometimes the tact from the team is being annoyed at the media. Like you guys are making too big. deal about this when they're annoyed at the player um that that's that stands out because it shows that it's unnecessary right that it's like it's the last day before things are closed it's a layup question and there's so many ways that that you can answer that without it becoming a news cycle he also could have just done it in the jailing way like wasn't the question like what does it say about nick that was the question what does it say about nick yeah i thought it was like have you seen

No, it was, what does it say about Nick that he's like given up control of the offense. Yeah, I mean, he's like, he could have just given the Jalen Hertz one sentence's answer. It was what was weird was that it wasn't just like a push aside of the question. It was like, oh, it's a good question actually. Yeah, like Martin Frank from the news journal, he's a longtime friend. It's good to work there. I think he would tell you it's not like this amazing question because Jail was like, Right, he wasn't trying to trap it.

Jayon's like, that's a great question. You know, like, I don't know how to answer that. It's not like he's trying to put Jaywin Hurts in a pretzel here. It's like, come on. Like, this is an obvious storyline. Just give me the quarterback's perspective on this, considering you're the one running the offense. Yeah. Kind of wild.

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We've made the people wait enough. We've teased them and teased them. I mean, I mean, we don't need the time. talk about the book every show, but I'm happy. I appreciate the opportunity to do it. I think we can talk about it a lot. I'm excited for, I've talked about the book, but one thing that's not out there yet, and I'll put it out there on social.

But I'm going to, I'm saying it on the show is I'm honored. And I think that's the correct word. I'm honored that the forward for this book will be written or has been written, will be by Malcolm Jenkins. Oh, an eagle's icon, one of the great. players of this period someone you know in the in this job you you you can't have favorites everyone deserves a fair shake but I'll say that of the of all the players I've covered in the past 13 years there's no one that I respect more in terms of like you know I think the type of person the type of teammate the way he played the game the way

he carried himself and he's also he's a part of this book he's a major part of this period he's an accomplished author himself And I'm so grateful that he was willing to write the forward. And I've read it. It's awesome. I'm excited for everyone to read it. And it means a lot to me that Malcolm's writing the forward for this book. Just like when I wrote the book six years ago, Merrill Reese wrote the forward.

I was honored with that as well. But I'm pumped for this. That's great. If the Amazon page is not updated yet in terms of the new cover, or the updated cover, but soon enough you'll see by Zach Berman and then underneath it, it'll say forward by Malcolm Jenkins.

So I'm excited for that. And yeah, I'm honored that Malcolm did it and I'm happy I can share it. I appreciate you let me share it on the show. So what will you do? Is there any repurposing of the forward that I wrote? The backup one just in case? Oh, no, I didn't ask you right before.

I'm trying to sell books. I'm not trying to drive myself to therapy, right? Yeah, so can we can I ask can we get some like inside baseball here like how did this how did this come about were you nervous to ask but like what was the process? I mean I asked and I appreciated his is as well as to do it. I could say, you know, like like people say this sometimes. It's not true, but I could say this he was my top choice. Like he was, he was I I read his his book in the fall. And I thought like how how cool would it be if. if Malcolm wrote the forward. And I am because he's a big part of the book too. Like, you know, there's a chapter on him. I interviewed him for the book.

But also, he's a big part of the 2017 season, which is a period of this. He's a part of like the Chip Kelly era, the Doug Peterson era, which is documented in this book. So yeah, I mean, I can probably, I'll wait. You can do this like drips and drabs. Like I'll get more into that as the book approaches. but I asked and he was willing to do it and he didn't like he exceeded what I could have wanted.

Listen, I'll give a little insight. I got to read it. It is very good. Yeah. So I'm pumped and yeah, Malcolm wrote the. Now is there? Dan, I appreciate you pre-ordering it. Thank you so much.

Is there, you said it was your top choice. Was part of the reason for that. Tom Brady wrote the forward to his book. And so there's sort of like a book forward centipede thing going on. You're kind of connected now to Tom Brady? No, no, no, no. No, not at all, not at all. I mean, I do imagine, though, he knows what it's like.

There's only one Malcolm separating it, you know. Yeah, he knows what it's like to ask someone to write a forward, perhaps, right? Maybe he has an appreciation for forwards. But, no, honestly, I haven't been shy about saying this on the show, like the respect that I had for Malcolm. And we always say, like, you don't actually know who someone is, but just like in terms of the way he's carried himself. I've gotten to know his family. I spent time in his hometown when they signed him. I spent time with, you know, his high school coaches and teachers and people who, and over the years, like, I've been, I went to his camp.

He actually used to be Memorial Day weekend, and I would make a point of going each year until I got. got married and it was Memorial Day weekend and I couldn't convince Emily that I was missing a rehearsal dinner to go to Malcolm Jenkins's camp. So, but in any event, it was right. In any event, yeah, we'll talk more about it as the book approaches, but I'm pumped to share that. Zach. No, Malcolm, Malcolm, Malcolm, I appreciate it. All right.

Well, that's great. Congratulations. Thank you. Let's do Miscellaneous Woodpecker, you rather. Thank you. I'm thrilled to get back on track here. Miscellaneous, would you rather? Okay.

this is one specifically for you i got to start we have to circle back to a super chat okay um so this happens uh for the past six years of your life and curious um do you prefer so would you rather your birthday or father's day which one's more significant to you interesting it's tough now this is a it's a tough one for rachel because for me they come so close together exactly she's she's on the hook it's the same week yeah yeah it's tough um 11th and then the, what, the second Sunday of June every year, third Sunday of June every year.

Correct. Yeah. What do I like better? I don't know. I guess I would say, I mean, I guess, I don't know. I like them both.

I would say, Father's Day, like, as we talked about the other day, like, it's just a nice day to just hang out and relax and be with everybody. Maybe get a little extra sleep. Whereas the birthday is a little bit more heavy, I would say, I think it may be Father's Day.

Okay. I don't know. Okay. There are some reasons that the birthday is tied up into some other things. Okay. Yeah, that would go. Okay. I don't know, but I like the birthday too.

I like to celebrate the birthday. Plus the kids probably get more excited about the birthday. Okay. I don't know. What about you? I know they're not at the same time. Yeah, I'm not a big birthday guy. Like, I was born, you know, but I'm very proud of being a father.

and Father's Day is a heavy day for me as well. And so it's like it's a significant, yeah, I care more about Father's Day than my birthday. Yeah, I mean, Father's Day is particularly meaningful to me. Like you see my children and you take a lot of pride in that, right? You know, I always look forward to spend time my grandfather on Father's Day. Like my birthday, yeah, it's not, I mean, I've spent birthdays at the owners meetings at spring training. Like, birthday is just a day in March for me. What about President's Day?

Well, if it's the day after the Super Bowl, it'd be even more significant. Right now, it's just like, it's just this, it's like the Monday before the, or like two Mondays before the Combine. It's not that big a deal. But now, you know, if it's the day after the Super Bowl, it can appropriately be celebrated. Okay. I'm sorry, I didn't give you a better answer there. No, that's fine. Yeah.

I was trying to be topical. Yeah, I don't feel strongly about it. But, yeah. Okay. Okay. Let's go, let's go Eagles, would you rather? Eagles, would you rather? Okay.

Would you rather? rather, Hassan Reddick in 2022, age 28. He had two double-digit sack seasons, but going on to his third team, neither team that he was on re-signed him, right? Or Bryce Huff in 2024, age 26, coming off a double-digit sack season. He left the, he had one double-digit sack season. It's not been a full-time starter. So isn't as accomplished in the NFL, maybe more of an ascending situation.

but I won't take the words out of your mouth. Which would you rather? Which profile do you like better? Hassan in 2022 or Bryce Huff in 2024? Well, it's hard knowing how it turned out. Sure. But think back to... Think back to what you thought when they signed Hassan Reddick.

I think the profile of Reddick is better at that time. Because the reasons that you're... Like, why are these guys available, right? Reddick was someone who had been playing out of position. position and only when he was allowed to be a pass rusher did he then bloom and and he really did bloom whereas Bryce Huff was in the same place for his entire rookie contract a place that was incentivized to let him play if he had earned that playtime and still he could not get on the field as much as someone like Reddick right now Huff is a little bit younger which is nice but I think you know you're also talking about a guy with the first round pedigree with a on draft a guy. And on draft a guy. I like Bryce off.

I think the bet the eagles are making is fine. Usually if a guy is that efficient at that level of snaps, the efficiency is not going to drop a ton when he plays more snaps. But I think the Reddick profile was much better. And like the reason that he was available for as little as he was was probably because he was undersized. Right. And I'm not as concerned about that. Yeah.

I preferred Hassan Reddick in 2022. to Huff this year just as like a prospect in free agency because I thought what if he wasn't from Philly well that would have affected but he no he I thought he had had rare traits and part of it like I think back to that Eagles Panthers game in 2021 down there reddick was just he was like a lecture coming around the edge and uh I still need to see more of of Huff um but Huff is younger and and like so there could theoretically be, you know, a four-year window here where Huff's kind of like in his prime, if you will. I'm not saying Redick's not in his prime, but Redick's going now into his age 30 season, right?

So it's a different situation. But yeah, I probably prefer to Redick in 2022. Okay. Yeah. Good gut check. All right. Let's do NFL Predict. NFL Predict.

NFL Predict. This is what you saw in the teaser for this show. Who lasts longer in their current head coaching job? Does Jonathan Gannon coach the Arizona Cardinals longer than Nick Siriani coaches Eagles? And I just want to make clear this is not suggesting who's the better coach. What you're considering is the situations that they're in. You're considering like the trajectory that the franchise is on. You're considering the front offices that they operate under.

And you're getting that and also the quality of the coach, the quality of the staff, things like that. Yeah, this is one where it's interesting because the variance for Siriani is different. I think Nick Siriani is more likely to be fired this offseason than Gannon is. And I think Siriani is also more likely to be the head coach of the team in five years than Gannon. Yes, exactly. I feel the same way. Like, Jonathan Gann is going to be the coach there for two more years. And that's going to be like, that's probably what's going to happen. It's just a rotating Cardinals thing right there.

Yeah. Yeah. Now he's not going to get fired this year because the owner is too cheap. and he's not going to want to pay all that dead money, but, uh, like he did with, um, with, uh, Steve Wilk so he could bring in Cliff Kingsbury. Right. Yeah. He's not going to do that again. Um, I think I would, I think I would still say Nick. Last night. I do think that Nick is more likely to be not the head coach next season than

Canada is, but I would still, I would still take Nick. I will, I will bet on him keeping his job. Okay. But I think that's a good one. Yeah. I could, I could be convinced the other way. I think the way you framed it is, is the better way of putting it. Like, I think Siriani has the better chance of lasting five years. Gannon has the better chance of lasting two years, right? Right.

So it's like, you're basically betting, is Siriani going to last this year? Like, if Siriani lasts this year, then there's probably a better likelihood that he outlasts Gannon. If he lasts this year, it means that they've made like a meaningful run. Presumably he signs a contract extension. If he lasts this year, right? And so Gannon would be going into year three at that. Now, perhaps the Cardinals, to great, you know, our colleagues in Arizona at the PHN next show. I watched them.

They're, like, fired up. You're a big Tyler Murray guy. I am a Collier and I'm a Jonathan Ganon guy too. Yeah. And especially more than any of them, I'm a Marfan Harrison Jr. guy. I think, you know, we're going to do a fantasy show this summer that's on my list of topics. And the fantasy show is going to be more like Eagles. I'm not telling you who to pick

in like the fourth round from the Cardinals. But I am going to say, take Marvin Harrison Jr. I would feel comfortable about that. At any point? Make sure Marvin Harrison Jr. is on your team. That's terrible advice. Well, not, I mean, don't take him over Justin Jefferson.

Okay, well, that's right. You just said make sure he's on your team. I'm just trying to make sure you've got to take him in round one. If you're sitting there debating, you know, so in my fantasy basketball league a few years ago, I remember I was drafting at the end of the second round. It was Carl Anthony, I was drafting at the end of the second round because I was good. I just want to make that clear.

Carl Anthony Towns was on the board. And Al Jefferson was on, and Al Jefferson was like. Eight years ago? Oh, yeah. It was Carl, Anthony Jones was his rookie season. So it might be like nine years. That might have been the final year of my rookie sophomore. Okay.

So Al Jefferson. Great league. Al Jefferson was just like always 2010, right? You just count on him being like a 2010 guy, basically. And it might be like 18 and 8. Like I'm not saying he was 20. Is it all Jefferson or Jefferson? Al Jefferson, right?

And I took Al Jefferson just because like, you know, he was the steady one. And once I made that pick, it was like when John Ross retired. Like I regretted it right away. And to this day, I regret passing up on, I still think about it. Was this a keeper league? Yeah. And Gonzo gets text for me sometimes. I'm like, I can't believe I passed up on Carl Anthony Town.

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does Greg Berkholder last until the World Cup? Man, I hope not. Okay, because they had a bad loss the other day. and they had a draw against Brazil. I know this is, he got renewed last year. This is, I've read a lot of pieces on this. I was a little surprised when they kept him for another cycle. You know more about U.S. soccer than I do.

What's your read on the Greg Baltimore, the Greg Berkholder situation? It's really dispiriting. Like, the opportunity to have the World Cup at home with this like golden generation of players, the best generation of players, the best generation they've had and you're running it back with this like it's just a mediocre coach when like a two years a two world cup cycle is like known as bad practice to begin with to do it with this guy who is like

you know he's not some schematic wizard he's not making these guys better he's obviously not like the world's best uh locker room guy like he's already at odds with one of the more important players in the team i think it's just it is crazy and so so stubborn of them to have gone back to the well with him. And it's, it is like, you know, I,

like U.S. soccer has been for a long time, like one of my favorite teams. And they played two big games this week. And I didn't really care. Hmm. Because like I, I kind of want them to lose.

And I can't watch them and root for them to lose. But yeah, I think they would be better off if they got a new head coach. And I hope that they do. It befuddles me in that. And again, I'm a casual, like, you know, you'd say, but I do read a lot about it. This cycle has been talked about for over a decade. Yes.

Like, everything's been cheering up. Yes, it's all of important towards this. And it's like, like, the fever pitch of it, it's like, all right, here comes Greg. Exactly. So you would think, you know, like there's, and I'll defer to you on, on, like, who they could go after. Maybe, like, Jesse Marsh wasn't the guy, right? maybe you you go after someone from Europe right um but like this is the chance for you like to to empty the cut like spend whatever it takes you know they like go all in push your there's never

going to be a world cup yeah more well i shouldn't say never there's not a world cup more important during this this generation than this one yeah it's insane yeah now there's the uh like really fanciful idea of like oh like maybe this will be peps last yeah i was going to bring that up I actually didn't say because I couldn't pronounce his last name. That's okay. Which, you know, that's probably not going to happen, although he does have some times to America. But I just, I mean,

it is impossible to believe that he is the best choice, like he is the best option. And for the reasons you are saying, it is wild that they would not search for a better option. It sucks. Now, if you said to me, if you said to me who they should hire. No, I think he probably will be the head coach.

Like, if I have to predict, I would predict that he would be. Yeah. So if you said, Zach, who would you hire? You know who I would say? Elon Musk. I would go that way and hire Jim Curtin. Like, I would just, yeah. I mean, Chief Moral officer right there.

Everyone in America is going to feel good about Jim Curtin. He's like, he's such a likable guy. I see Jim Curtin all the time. Like, I'm not, I don't have the expertise to say whether he's like a tactical genius. But I do, I watch his press conferences, like I watch his interviews. He is just such a likable person. And that seems to be what union players say as well. I watch our P.H.Y. Union show.

Okay. Yeah. He also said that he wants, he said he would give up his job to be the assistant on. Remember that? I don't remember. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He takes a lot of pride in U.S. soccer.

Okay. Yeah, I think that's, it's just a bummer. Okay. Let's do, let's close out the Eagles, Zach. Eagles convince me. Convinced me. We talked yesterday about Merrill Reese, a deserved an honor, to go into the Pro Football Hall fame. So happy about that. Yeah. But convince me, and I don't know if you're the right person for this, but you do know these guys very well.

I admittedly don't listen to the games on the radio. Like, I'm there. I'm tuned in to the field. But I know, I mentioned the anecdote about my father-in-law that he goes to the games and he has Merrill's broadcast on when he doesn't. You've sat there with him and Mike Quake. Convinced me on Merrill and Mike, what makes those two special? Convince you about what? No, no, like, this is a way of talking about Merrill.

Yeah, it's a way of talking about Merrill. Yeah, it's a way of talking about Merrill Mike. Like what makes them, like there's certain, you know, I know, for instance, Mets fans, and I actually see it anecdotally or hear it anecdotally when I watch it on MLB.TV, like that brought. has a special spot in Mets fans' heart. Zuck Cohen and Hernandez like that.

There's, you know, Mets fans take a lot of pride and Eagles fans. Meryl and Mike have a special spot in their heart. So this is a way of talking about them. Convince me what makes them special. Why are they different than just your run-of-the-mill radio? I think a couple things come to mind. I think from Meryl's perspective,

the, like, absolute earnestness with which he loves the team. team like he conveys it so well and it is it is so pure and like you know as you said yesterday he says like you know there's there's no other job he would rather have this is like this is it and it it sure seems like that is true and um so like the the excitement level and you know you see it in those videos that that that they'll put out um when he's calling the game like he loves it and he loves the team he loves the action he loves the energy and I think that he does a wonderful job of conveying that in the broadcast.

The partnership with Mike, I mean, it's like, you know, any marriage, right, where they've been together long enough that they, like, they know when to pick each other up and, and they set each other up very well. I think it's nice that, now, brought, like, radio football is tough because there's so much to describe. Sure. And so they, like, the split of it is, like, Merrill doesn't, isn't there to be giving commentary, right? He's there to describe the action.

And then Mike does an awesome job of knowing when to jump in and what to jump in to say. And I think they have so much respect for each other, which is wonderful to watch. And then to be fair, there's also, you know, there are many people behind the scenes who are, you know, like whether it's the audio people or the people handing them the ads and stuff like that. Like the choreography of it is a lot of fun to watch. Yeah. I mean, I think I think they're, I mean, I haven't. listen to every other radio team, but it's hard to imagine to me that there would be a better one. It's a good explanation for what makes them special. I like that. You convinced me.

I convinced you. I convinced you they exist. Yeah, yes. Okay. NFL, would you rather? NFL, would you rather? Okay, this is an interesting one. And this one was also changed yesterday. I'm driving home. I was out with my son yesterday, and I see the news, Trevor Lawrence gets a major deal, 45 million or 55 million a year, right? Now, I do want to make clear before I get into this. I think too much attention is paid to like the annual salary. You have to look at it in terms of the percentage of the salary cap. Like, of course, quarterback contracts are going to go up.

It's only matters if it's like a change in the percentage of the cap space allocated in them. But that's my soapbox there. Anyways, would you rather pay your quarterback top of the market money, okay, and I'm not talking about Mahomes, and maybe not even Trevor Lawrence, but every team kind of faces this,

you know, is he your guy? Is he not like, are you going to commit this? Because if you're a second contract quarterback, this is kind of what you get, basically. Or would you, is there a team that kind of goes the pick and picks routes? In other words, like,

this guy's really good. We might be in contentioned with him. We're not going to win the Super Bowl with him. So let's trade. him for multiple picks and let's just keep kind of rotating here and we can have all this money and all these resources to spend elsewhere and we'll see if we can do what San Francisco did with Purdy or what the Eagles did with Foles. There are a few other like if you can get that strategic advantage of you hit on a guy but you have the rest of the roster so good that it

kind of buttresses the quarterback. I think it's it's so good. context dependent. I mean, I think there is like a binary is the guy good enough or not. Like if you're Dallas, what do you do? You pay Dak Prescott. Okay. He's good enough. If you're the Giants, you don't pay Daniel Jones. Like, that was dumb.

And if you're going to pay him, you pay him, they should have paid him the year before. If you have the Packers, you pay Jordan Love. Yeah, absolutely. And I think there are also some other, like, you know, if you're the dolphins are good. 39ers. Yeah. And your team is built in a certain way.

And, and like, it's, you know, it's so quarterback friendly, then maybe you're more willing to do that. But also, like, the mystery of, okay, like, we don't want to pay to a, but then what? Like, the then what is daunting, right? Sure. I don't think you could go in. Like, if you have Tyreek Hill, who's got, you know, one year in his prime left,

you can't just be like, okay, we're going to roll the dice on a third and fourth round quarterback and see which one's better. That doesn't make a lot of sense. So if you're the dolphins, you're just paying Tua, and you say this is what the market value is. Like, I don't understand. Two is tough because like others, the concussion stuff and like, do you want to commit long term?

Like, you know, I paid to a 55 million for a year, but I don't know that I would want to commit long term. But yeah, I mean, I think he probably is good enough. Do you think there are going to be teams? I guess this is a third option here. Do you think there will be teams that just do, what Washington did with Cousins and just we'll just give you the tag for two years

and then yeah. Yeah, that makes sense to me. Like that, you know, and that's what the Giants should have done. Exactly. Yeah. They should have maybe signed Sequot and tagged down Jones.

Yeah, that makes much more sense to me because then you can you can tag and you can still look for the quarterback, right? You can go about doing it that way. I don't think you just let a guy go. Like what Minnesota just did with Kirk Cousins is I think they got to a point where they're like, this is that now they didn't go pick and picks her out.

because they didn't trade Kirk Cousins. But they got to a point where it's like, we're not going to pay you this. Like we've seen what we can do with you. We like you, but we like you up to this dollar figure. What about you? What's your perspective here? Yeah, I mean, this isn't a bold take.

I sound like Howie Roseman in 2016. The quarterback's the most important position. Like Trevor Long, you know, the Jaguars tried everything they could. They get a guy like Trevor Lawrence. You get a guy like Trevor Lawrence. You pay Trevor Lawrence. And you don't worry about how much. a cost because it costs what it costs.

Like, if you have a quarterback like that, this is the market rate. And as we've seen the Eagles with with Jell and Hertz, the reason the Eagles are fast to it is because the price is only going up. That said, I think if you're unconvinced on the quarterback, don't do it. Like, then go pick and picks. Like, if there's doubt that exists, then you, I would move on. If there's any doubt? If they...

Don't you have some doubt about Jill and Hertz? If there's reasonable doubt that exists. Yeah. And by the way, this, I mean, like, this could be a whole separate show, but there might come a point when the Eagles, like, would have to redo Jallon's deal. And they would have that conversation, right? Like, is this, you know, but like we always say, is what's the alternative? I think one of the most overrated things in sports, and we talked about this, by the way,

in the 20-21 off-season, is like this theoretical idea that like the quarterbacks, you know, if you just get picks, you're going to hit it on the quarterback. Actually, the odd show you're going to miss on the quarterback. So, yeah, I guess I'd be cautious about that, but I wouldn't be afraid of restarting if you're at a point in your franchise where it's like, all right, we can make the playoffs, but we're really not going to, we're not a championship team.

Now, that said, oftentimes you're not a championship team. championship team because of these other decisions you made. Like the Colts, when Andrew Luck was there, they had the guy I still think is the best, like, you know, the best young quarterback I've seen. It was Andrew Luck. And they just did a lousy job building the roster around him. And so it's incumbent upon the executives or the decision makers to say, well, is the problem the quarterback or is the problem the GM or the coach?

Okay. Okay. All right, Zach, let's touch the discourse third rail. Let's do miscellaneous convince me. Miscellaneous convince me. Get ready, everybody. Should Caitlin— We've got to close with these Caliph superchats as well. Should Caitlin Clark be on the Olympic team? Hmm. Here we go. I'm going to back up here.

Listen, I mean, absolutely nobody needs to hear what I think about Kaelan Clark. You know, there's a shortage of Katelyn Cardiff opinions in the media landscape right now. So actually, I think you're feeling a void by talking about you think about. Another doofy white guy weighing in on Kately Clark. I thought that she should have been on the team. It makes me uncomfortable that I am like in this. I don't know why this is so toxic, but I happen to be on the side of people

I would not normally be on the side of, and I disagree with the people who I would normally agree with. For a few reasons. I think the basketball, like, the basketball, like, she's not one of the best 12 players is a bit of a red herring. Like, you're not building a team on just the best 12 overall players. I find it hard to believe that someone who shoots at such a high volume as she does and like the contested shots that she takes

would not be well suited to be like a dead eye shooter off the bench when she'd be working in space. That said, like they took a bunch of shooters. There are, I was looking at the stats. There are seven players in the WNBA who shoot at least seven threes a game and four of them are on the team instead of her and they all shoot at a higher percentage.

So Kelsey Plum, Diana Tarasi, Kalea Copper and Sabrina. in I and Eskew. I think Ion Eskew is probably the one who, like, if she, if Clark goes, she doesn't go. But the real, the thing that I feel like is, like, the committees, like, listen, they had this dynastic thing going, right? There are, well, they're going for what they're eighth straight. And they didn't, there, there's no young people on this team.

The youngest person is 26. There's not a single player on the team from the last four draft classes. I don't know. Don't you think that there's like, you take it upon yourself if you're building this dynasty to bring in a few young people to bring along in the program

like Alia Boston could have been on the team. That is kind of weird to me. I don't know why they have to, like it's part of like the Caitlin Clark conversation is a little bit gatekeeping. And like the fact that they, the reporting is that they didn't want to bring her along because of the spectacle of it.

I mean, that doesn't seem, that doesn't seem fair. I also think there is a fallacy of people saying, well, like, you think people are going to really watch to watch her sit on the bench and be the 12th person? Yeah, I do. Like, I think the ratings would absolutely reflect that. So anyway, I don't feel, I don't feel as strongly as I did initially that she should definitely be on the team. But I think she probably should be, like, I would have put her on the team, but I'm not. the expert here. I just think like just because like the,

she hasn't earned it or these are the 12 best players. I don't know that that's the case. And I think that it's a little bit uncreative or short-sighted the way that they ended up building the roster. That's good insight. I have a follow-up question for you here. Who cares? No, no, no, no.

I actually think you're very informed on, Unless you were indicate. I don't think so. No, you follow this. This is more for like the general population, okay? I'm one and I've always said this. Like you don't have to have an opinion on everything, right? And I always say there are things that there are things I feel strongly about.

There are things that like I don't know enough about to even discuss. I'm on social media a lot. Like that's fairly obvious. You can see my Twitter account. It seems every single person out there has, and I say that facetiously, so many people, So many people seem to have like all of a sudden they're experts, women's basketball or social issues. And it's like, am I missing the boat here? Or what is it about Caitlin Clark that seems to create that makes like everybody an ex.

I can't imagine all these people all had this like latent interest in the travel conditions of women's basketball or the like, you know, it's like or or or a. Caitlin Clark versus Angel Reese. Like there's there's so many opinions out there in the marketplace right now. And it strikes me as like why, why is there, why is everybody need to have an opinion on this? I mean, that's a good question. I also think part of it is, and this goes to the, like the decision to not have everyone the team, why thumb your nose at this entryway for all these people? This like phenomenon that's going on.

Right. That's fair. Like, why wouldn't you embrace that? Now, like, I've tried to think about this from my own standpoint. Like, you know, they're like the long time fans of the league would tell you that, like, you know, Caitlin Clark is not that exceptional. And, you know, probably a lot of the reason that people are coming on is because she's like a white girl from the Midwest. And I think that there's a lot to that.

But, like, to me, it's just a style of play. Like, it is like the deep shooting. Like, and I haven't seen that. And maybe that's my own. naivete, but like that's what that's what hooked me. I find myself a little bit disappointed that she's not a little bit more outspoken about certain things like in the way that Paige Buker says. Yeah.

Why though? Because she has a massive audience and she like she can say things. But it's like why is she responsible to to like she's. I think because of the because of the role that she has been thrust into and the ecosystem system in which she plays and the people around her. Like I think she, like, you know, the responsibility to her teammates on, to some degree there. Okay.

Yeah. I mean, I think, I think she's responsible for like the person she is, the way she treats people. But like, she's not responsible for, for being like a social crusader. Like, that's that, that's not, you know, she wants to, if, if she wants to do that, but she doesn't have an obligation to the public. She doesn't have obligation, but I can also be disappointed about that. Yeah, you and I disagree with that, but okay.

Yeah, we can reasonably disagree. Yeah, I mean, I think this is actually the conversation you and I had the other day. Like, I think sometimes silence is a choice. Yeah, I mean, I think that, yeah, I think sometimes it is, but I think that sometimes silence is done because, like, you're at an information deficit or or it's it's not your area of expertise or because like you do things privately but not publicly, right? Like, you know, there's there's, uh, what's the expression? Like like keyboard warriors.

There's like, um, you know, I care a lot more about actions. And like, so. Yeah, but for her specifically, I mean, we're talking about someone who like everybody's paying attention to everything she says. Sure. Um, but that's what I'm saying. So if she doesn't have like a strong opinion or position on something, I don't want her to manufacture it just to satisfy. She's, you know, 23 years old or whatever.

That's fine. But also, exactly. I don't know. Yeah. I think, I think there are responsibilities that exist when you have that much of a spotlight on you, probably in that ecosystem. All of that said, like, I do think the, the, like, it's not going away. like Caitlin Clark is going to be here

she's going to be on the Olympic team in four years like you know the like I think pretending as if this is not the beginning of like a long relevance is probably silly. Yeah. Obviously she's not the best player in the NBA but like I do lean towards you should have been on the team.

Yeah that was a good discussion. Okay. I'm glad someone's talking about it. Yeah. Finally. All right. Let's talk about our super chats from Kalia. Zach, assuming your dream of working until you die comes true,

how would you rank the top four NFL stadiums in which you would want to die? And he notes that you're dying of natural causes at an age of your choosing. Somehow all stadiums have remained the same, does not include stadiums under construction. Well, Khalif, I just want to clarify the semantics here. Okay, and I want to say, Cliff,

I so appreciate you watching every day and what you've been as a part of this community. But I don't dream. of working until I die. It's not like my dream. What I'm saying is that I enjoy my job so much that I can't envision just like sitting around doing nothing when this is like my vocation, right? Like that I enjoy doing this. So that's kind of what I meant.

Like I, you know, there's some people who just want to get to retirement age and enjoy retirement and I respect that. And I know a lot of people like that. I can't imagine like I don't golf I don't have many hobbies like I I enjoy doing this okay but to answer the question what four stadiums um well one Philly because it means I was with my family okay like you know I wouldn't want to be in like uh in an Appleton Wisconsin hotel for my last night but yeah I don't say that um but uh what for Four stadiums. So then you're going to go New York in Washington too? Yeah, New York and Washington because then both of them, all of them mean. Yeah, New York and Washington because there was our drives. And then Baltimore, so there you go.

Yeah, there you go. But no, if I answered it in a different way, I would go with places that have amazing restaurants because I know my last meal was a great one, right? So let's go Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Seattle. Yeah. Interesting. I thought maybe you were going to go for, you know, you keep telling us about the, like, the ninth wonder of the world that is SoFi Stadium, you know, taking, take, yeah, yeah, so Los Angeles. Oh, you did say Los Angeles.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. But maybe I had that sugarfish sushi and it's awesome and then, yeah. But one of those fish was venomous. There used to be a place in Scottsdale called Cowboy Chow. It's since closed. I talked about it.

Cowboy Chow was blissful. It was like a destination for me. Was it like a chopped salad that you love there? Yeah, this is in chopped. that's a shop and I learned about it from Jeff Passon actually and but their their menu was eclectic and it was good drinks and good desserts and it was it was awesome but there's still great places in Scottsdale and Phoenix when I go uh plus you get that Waymo yeah exactly you know I don't maybe that's what killed me right yeah all right good stuff

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