PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | Who will the Philadelphia Eagles draft this week? Sheil Kapadia of The Ringer weighs in

Episode Date: April 23, 2024

It’s time for the annual Owl You Know draft, wherein Sheil Kapadia, Bo Wulf and Zach Berman take turns predicting specific players the Eagles will draft over the course of the days ahead. Last year, one of them correctly predicted Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith and Kelee Ringo. Very impressive! Who will be on their list this year? Cooper DeJean, J.C. Latham, Troy Fautanu, Kool-Aid McKinstry all figure to go off the board early. Join us for the action in this reunion pre-draft episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hi noon on Tuesday of Draft Week. Bo Wolf, Zach Berman here, joined in studio by our friend, our old friend, Shil Kapadia of the ringer who said on his podcast yesterday, he's run out of words to say about the draft, and yet we've locked you in here for another hour. Not only locked me in, but giving me homework, Zach. Like, when I come in, I just want to talk, catch up.

We can talk various Eagles topics. Bo is like, oh, we got to do this game, come up with 30 names. So we got to, I mean, come on. I'm not doing that. If I'm doing that next time, there better be some merch waiting for me. There better be an olipop waiting for me. I need some protein shake or something like that. We have a mug you can have on your way out if you want.

Maybe. I mean, listen, you're here with the owl, you know, draft has a long-storied history. I mean, we can't do it without you. I mean, you could. You're not. You don't have to. I'm here. So there we will do that.

We're going to draft 30 different players, 10 each, who we think the Eagles are most likely to draft. over the course of draft weekend. Zach, how you doing? We got a special guest here aside from Sheal. Very exciting day at the PHOY Studios. Yeah, Reed is with me today. He's pumped. He was talking about the studio.

Excited to be here. Maxie Jersey on. Yep. I'm excited for the show. I woke up this morning and I saw a note that I left myself in the middle of the night. And it was, I had to decipher it. Jared Seinfeld over here. It was Fangio, Sartan, who was the corner that I, like, I can't pronounce it,

Ojamagia, the corner from, the corner from Iowa. And I guess I had like some thought about the types of corners that Fangio had in Denver, and I wanted to research the correlation before this, this morning. But when I saw those three names, I woke up, I saw those three names. I was like, what was I thinking about? But then I decided I put it together. Anyways, I'm pumped. And what did you learn?

What did I learn? Tall, long corners. So this is what it was. It was something in the middle of the night. I was thinking about Fan Gio in his time in Denver, only took two corners in the first three rounds. It was Certan and Ojimudia. Ojimudia.

And then last year, Cam Smith in Miami. And all of them were like height weight speed type prospect. So something to think about. Interesting. Yeah. So maybe Terry and Arnold not his. you know, top of the list, cup of tea, potentially. Some will look into it.

Before we get going on the proceeding shield, do you have some grievances you'd like to air? I don't know. We don't need to start with the grievances. We don't need to start with the grievances. Yeah, I'll mix them in. Once I get bored with this game, I'll just take over the shell.

Yeah, that's fine. Unless them then. Yeah. I do want to, Zach, you mentioned the, the Brock Bowers lineage yesterday. So I did. I wanted to look it up because you talked about it. I think we have that here.

the leading receivers of the national championship teams over the past 10, 11 years. Based on receptions. That's what I said. Not receiving. Well, first of all, why would it be based on receptions? Because I'm talking about volume. Oh, yeah.

Okay, go on. Well, there's really only one or two guys who it's different for. But why on earth would you use receptions instead of yards? That was just because I think if I used receptions, it included Mike Williams over. What are you talking about? That's not how it weren't. Like,

health reinforced the points are not more important. This is going back to like a Nelson Aguilar, 60 catch season. It helps reinforce the point. Anyway, so this year, Roman Wilson. You drafted Roman Wilson in the top 10? In the top 10? No. Top 20?

I'm not drafting Robin Wilson in top 20. No. Okay. But good player. Brock Bowers is there. I can pull up there. Devante Smith was pretty good, right? There we go.

Brock Bowers twice. Devante Smith. Jamar Chase, good players. Jerry Judy. Now, also look at the, amount of receiving yards there because you've got Calvin Ridley, Mike Williams, Calvin Ridley again. Then it drops down, Devin Smith and Rashad Green. So I mean, this is not like, this is not a bad list. This is not a foolproof list. This is just a normal list.

And most of those players are wide receivers who had productive, you know, careers and also, like super productive in college. Yeah, I mean, my point was that Brock Powers was, was the Brock Bowers was the best receiver on the best team of college football two years in a row. Teams that had George Pickens, that had A.D. Mitchell, that had Jermaine Burton. I can keep going. Like, that had Darnel Washington. Ladd-McConkey. They had Ladd-McConkey.

They had, and Georgia felt the best way for them to score touchdowns. The best way for them to move the ball was to get the ball to Brock Bowers. I've never once, like, ever suggested taking Brock Bowers over legit starting. tackle. What I'm saying is that you can look at history in a lot of different ways. As a matter of fact, I think that argument was used to not take Kyle Hamilton at one point, right? The history of safety is in the draft. And Kyle Hamilton is now an all-pro player. When you said to me, when you said to me, what's your argument for Brock Bowers? My argument was that if there's anyone with the best chance of being of an all-pro in this

draft at his position, like the best player in the league at his position, I think Brock Powers is the best pathway to being the best player in the league. at his position. That was my argument. Yeah, I don't know that I agree. Even with that part, I mean, Marvin Harrison, Jr., you could make the case for Malik neighbors. Yeah, I'm not like, I enjoy Brock Bowers like everybody else. I would just say if the first round is about making bets that I feel good about, I'll be like, that's one I can miss on. If someone else drafts him and he's a Hall of Fame player, that's fine. We're going to take someone else. It's just, it's been a hard position to

evaluate for the entire NFL over the last decade. You can go back 30 years. I think there's been three all pro tight ends taken in the first round, I believe, in the last 30 years. It's just every year we talk ourselves into, oh, this guy's different. This guy's different. And with Brock Bowers, he's like these 243 pounds. Like he's not going to be an all-around blocking like Dallas-Scottert type tight end. He's just going to be a different guy. So maybe in the right spot, he could be fantastic.

He could be one of the best tight ends in the NFL next season. I would just let someone else make that bet. That's all. Yeah, I think. I'm tired of talking about Brock Bowers. I know. Move on. Brock Bowers, butcher box, lots of bees.

We're going to talk about butcher box in a little bit. We won't get there just yet, but it's just a little fun. All right. Before we get into the actual draft shield, just general Eagles thoughts here. Tackle corner seem like the obvious answers in the first round. Do you think it's definitely going to be one of those? Do you think Howie has a surprise up his sleeve, anything that's on your radar that you haven't really gotten off your chest yet? Always a chance for a surprise.

But no, I expect it to be an offensive lineman or a corner. I think you look at just the way the draft is shaping up, where they're picking, where they could trade up to, where they could trade back to, what their needs are now in the future, what they value. And I think that those are the two positions to keep an eye. I will tell you what I am surprised by, and you had less on. And you didn't talk. This Bill Belichick story, like, shocked has not gotten more.

And I know we're talking about the draft. We have 30 prospects to talk about it. so I don't feel bad about not talking about it right now. Like, I was surprised you didn't ask less about it yesterday, given his institutional knowledge. And I don't know if people are just like annoyed by it, bored by it. They don't even want to think about it. But the fact, like that was a big story.

Like it was something we all thought, yeah, okay, probably something like this is happening for the biggest sports outlet in the country and the most credible NFL writers in the country to get on the record that Jeffrey Lurie was speaking to conference. It wasn't like, you know, had some, no, he was speaking to confidants and then eventually got to the point where, no, we're not handing the whole franchise over to Bill Belichick. Let's just chill here. Like, it takes something to get from point A to point B. Like, you have a process there where you think about it.

And now you have a coach in Nick Siriani who has been in the playoffs three straight seasons, who has gotten his team to the Super Bowl, who not only has been stripped of his power, but now knows that the owner was speaking to confidants about replacing him with Bill Belichick last year. and the minute he loses a game, two games, that's all anyone's going to be talking about. So I don't know. Like, I don't, what is your guy sent to the fan base? I don't think it's just you. Like, I'm shut. When I saw that, I was like, this is great. Like, this is not.

Like, this is a huge story. This doesn't happen. And you guys know this too, that that's what was reported. Like, that's what they were able to get on the record on ESPN.com. I'm sure they had other little nuggets in there that they said, all right? It's not strong enough or we can't get it in there right now. So that, like, I'm very surprised that that has not taken a bigger football locally. And they had enough to even get Howie on the record about it.

Well, that's how some of this to take people. Yeah, sometimes when a person agrees, I will go on the record to confirm this. If you don't do that, like there are those given takes that happen throughout the how this works. Reporting. Reporting. Yeah. Yeah.

So I'm just, I'm just surprised. I'm curious what people think in the chat about that, what you guys think in the chat. Because when I read that, I'm like, this is a huge story. And then I didn't feel like it got the pub locally that maybe I expected it to. Well, let me ask you the question that Bo asked me. And I've actually talked about this with a few other people. Howie Roseman and Nick Siriani spoke on Tuesday of last week. That story came out Wednesday of last week.

Typically, not always, but typically they do their pre-draft press conference Thursday, one week before the draft. Do you think that the Eagles moved it to Tuesday knowing that story was coming out Wednesday and did not want to subject how we in Nick to those questions. I mean, I was going to say 100%, but since I don't know 100%, I'll say 95%. Yes, when these stories are coordinated, oftentimes the subjects or if anyone's involved will ask as a courtesy, hey, when is this coming out? And usually there's no harm in telling them when it's coming out.

And so you tell them when it's coming out. Yeah, I mean, can you imagine if that story came out the day before? I mean, I'm wondering about this whole thing. because I look at it, I zoom out, and I say they got Vic Fangio. I say this is the most talented group of skilled position players of our lifetime, probably, that the Eagles have ever had, like legitimately. NFC, wide open, Cowboys, bad offseason, commanders, rookie quarterback, Giants, train wreck. I can easily make the case that they're going to bounce back.

This is going to look good. And then there's just this cloud is hanging over the season that when a coach knows that there's this much pressure on him, not just things. thinking, hey, maybe I'll get five. Like when Doug went into his last season, he probably thought, all right, maybe if this is a... He probably didn't even think that, honestly, because he probably had no reason to believe

they were going to go four and 12. But now to have a coach knowing that, like, the first misstep, and the bar is high. The bar's not like nine and eight. I mean, the bar is divisional round, probably. Yeah, but I do think Nick knew that even before that story came out. Yeah, but this is still different. When it was posed to Jeffrey Lurie about,

like Nick being on the hot seat, Jeffrey didn't deny it. Jeff's like, Jeffrey said every coach needs to perform to keep their job, something of that nature. And the reality is like, like, we did this mock meeting with Lori and Siriani. They kept Siriani in the wind for over a week. Like, they, so Siriani knew that this was not them just boat shopping, right? Where was Lurie Yacht shopping?

St. Martin, I believe. How far is that from Antigua where Bill Belichick was meeting with our? It's an easy, it's an easy boat ride. I'm just asking questions. I believe. I'm just asking questions about the Caribbean. That's all. I think for the most part, like this story was not, it was not news to Nick Siriani.

He presumably knew all of these things. It's for him newsworthy because now everybody else knows about it. Right? But, um, I, I think, tell me if you, if you disagree with this, that the Belichick flirtation was more of a specific moment in time than necessarily if if nick is ousted this year they would go back to belichick that's sort of how i feel about it what do you think i don't feel that way you don't feel that i mean i think you're right that they could if they if they move on from sariani next year they could open the search but i think he's absolutely on the list i think geoffrey would love to stick it to old

bobby craft and say i know that's i'm bringing him in with this roster and we're gonna like Like, Lurie has to look at this and say, since I have been the owner, what was the year? 1994. Since 1994, when have I had an offensive group like this? And maybe the offensive line isn't as good. But, I mean, these are all guys in their prime, like all pro caliber players, two at wide receiver, one at running back, one at quarterback, and a tight end who's still pretty good. Like, it takes a while to build that group, you know? So as somewhat of a Lori historian, I like the name of us.

Okay. You can write a book on a gym. If you go back, I mean, they had a vacancy and he spoke to Jimmy Johnson, right? I mean, he's pursued. He talked to Dick from Mill at one point. Brian Billick. There's the, yeah, there's the great appearance on this program. There's the Jalen Rose.

It's not Jalen Rose is cool. I heard of it. What was the product? Something. very strange. Something that you're like a muscle or not sure. Your lawyer was your options, right? Your loyal is your options.

And I think that how, like how often is, I won't say an eight-time Super Bowl winning coach. I think I saw that in the story. And that's not the case. A six-time winning Super Bowl head coach available. It's a defab Nick Field for. Yeah. Thank you.

Yeah. Well, I think they were counting here. They were counting. Yeah. Exactly. I shouldn't. I shouldn't. But I was just kind of quoting what the story was.

So I think that it's like. And we said this at the time that if Bill Belichick's available and you don't have that conversation, you're almost doing like a disservice to due diligence. But the fact this was more than a conversation, it certainly seems. If Howley's on the phone with Bill, if Jeffrey Lur is reaching out to a confidant about the feasibility of working with Bill Belichick, this is not just saying, what do you think about this? This is really weighing like the merits of such a change. I also think it's part of the larger picture, which is that, like, given the way that, like, given the way that, that the roster is assembled right now, like, and some of the moves they've made, like,

you know, flying in the face of things they've done in the past, like the Sequin Barkley signing, this meshing of the coaching staff, uh, who have not worked together before, given the way that they ended last season, like, they look good on paper, but there is like real blowup potential for this team. No Kelsey. No. Yes, like the offensive line could be it. Is it like this could be a team that totally blows up next year.

And then the other thing I thought about, I agree with that. I've been calling them boomer bus. The bust I feel like it's not like, I don't think they're going to win four games. But like eight and nine is a huge bust for them. Like seven and ten would be a disaster for them. And then the other aspect of it, which I was thinking about this last week, because we did a show about which GMs have the most at stake going into this draft. And so, you know, you do the exercise.

You're going down the list. And like, Howie Rosen doesn't even cross my mind. I'm like, all right, yeah, he kind of has something at stake here. But whatever, if they lose, he's not. Atway Roseman's not getting blamed. He's built a good offense. We can absolutely quibble with the decisions on defense and the personnel there. And then I was like, well, what could be like the one scenario where he does have something at stake?

And it's what you guys talked about where if somebody like Belichick comes in, he can say whatever he wants about, oh, we want to work together and they're going to be fine. And yeah, we like each other. We have a good relationship. I mean, Howie Roseman knows that his ability to shape the franchise, which he's done a very good job of, two Super Bowls in the last. seven years gotten there. His ability to shape the franchise is much easier with a coach like Nick Siriani. I mean, it's not even close compared to Bill Belichick. So like, that's the only scenario where his power or his role in the organization, in my opinion, gets threatened. If it's Bill Belichick or a coach of that level. Yes. And that's, and that's the other part we had

the day it came out that that, that my reading of that, of like the way that the words were carefully written in that story is that it was this is geoffrey who had the flirtation with belichick i think how we called belichick sure but i think he was rooting for nick to stay because because of that power dynamic he knows that if belichick comes in they may have a good relationship now but that is something that is absolutely combustible and a threat to his power i agree with i i think and i know what you're going to say that they have a good relationship which i think is probably is true and i'm sure they respect each other and it could even be a situation now we're getting way down the line i know we'll get to the draft stuff.

People are like, we will get to the draft. But like, it's one thing to have a good relationship, but then when you're working together and one thing goes wrong and somebody has to make a call on something, it's just going to be different. And I will say this for Lurie, like looking at all these other teams, I mean, his main priority, his number one priority is absolutely to win Super Bowls and as many as possible. And that's just not the case with a lot of the owners in the NFL. I mean, I think it's come to light a little bit more this offseason.

and Lurie spending on players and the flexibility it gives to the GM and the coaching staff. And you look at a team like the Cowboys, 31st in cash spending this year. And they're crying poor. And they're saying, we can't fit DAC and Citi

and Michael Parsons under the cap. And it's like, that's because the owner didn't spend and you didn't sign them early. Like that is your fault. And I don't think people look at those two owners and ownership that way probably. But I think it's been a little more,

you know, come to the surface this off season. Yeah, I would agree with you there. I think that one thing that Lori would say, like, people don't know enough or maybe not, or might not give him enough credit for is how obsessed with this he is. And this is something Bose talked about before. Like, this is, this is his primary job. It's, it's, it's not as if Jeffrey Lurie has, like, all these other outs, you know, he's, he's not, he's not running company X and, and, and, like, he's the chairman, CEO of the Eagles.

That's his job. and it's really his legacy at this point too and so he's very like he wants people to know how obsessed with this he is. Is something going on with Reed? No, I'm just, I think it's, I think it's so sweet. Reed is in the show.

He's sitting out there. He's watching the show. He's got his little snack. He loves you. Zach, this is fantastic. What a wonderful thing. I do got to say as devastating as last night was like watching that game

in the last 14 seconds, it was one of the coolest experiences of my life. And it was like the first, you know, you know, he didn't have school last night. I convinced Demway to allow him to stay up. Like, he didn't want to go to sleep. He was up.

And he's usually in bed by like before 8 o'clock, right? He was up at like 10, 15. He was so devastated when they lost. And like he's screaming at the TV the whole time. When Maxie hits the long three, like he woke up the whole house. He was in. And it's really cool.

seeing that through his eyes. And to be honest, he loves football. And I don't get to experience football with him. I don't get to experience Eagles with him, right? And so that was the first time I've had that type of experience with him. And just as a dad, it was pretty awesome. The best, yeah, that's great. That's great.

Or I was quizzing him out there. Do you think he appreciated me quizzing him, you know, just asking him 400 sports questions or no? Is he going to go home and be like, God, that guy was in a man? No, no, no. He likes sports trivia. He asks me. asked me today who's going to be the last player in the drive in who's going to be the last player in the draft and i was like well i don't know who's going to be the last player in the draft

stumped you said that he said he said well brock purdy was the last player in the draft and i said yeah but you didn't know going into the draft that brock party was going to be the last player in the draft so yeah he he won't mind that at all right well uh shield bringing uh bring in some good energy today some good shield hijacking the show no as usual just like old times this has been very good and uh if you want more of shield you of course can read him at the ringer. You can listen to him on the Philly special and the Extra Point Taken podcast. His partner on those, Ben Solek, a little news yesterday going with his anti-food take, right, that he does not enjoy the process of eating. And, I mean, a ridiculous take. However, like the, the idea that, like,

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Go ahead. In the chat, they're making the point. What was the first thing I said to read when I saw it were talking about to say? I said, you got to go through these losses so that when you get the good win, you can appreciate it that much more. And that echoes being said, you know, reflected in the chat here. Like you can't, the young kids who get the wins so early, the championship, No, you need the losses.

And then you get the wins, you're going to love it. All those teenagers in Boston right now, right? They didn't experience that. But they're having a nice, let's make sure those Celtics losing the playoffs. We don't have to worry about the other teams. All right. The Alley and O draft, wherein we decide who we think the egos are going to draft. Let's flash up the results from last year's results.

Julia, we'll notice that Bo correctly predicted three. of his 10. Zach and Sheel completely shut out. Nice job by Bo, wherever he is. And a dominant victory. The scoring here is three points for a correct prediction and then a bonus for the round. So if you pick the person in the Eagles draft

in the first round, that's four points, five points in the second round, and on and on as the defending champion. I suppose it is my turn to go first. We'll let Sheel go second as the guest and Zach third. And as you, I quickly listened back to last year's episode to remind myself with the rules, not a snake in this draft, which you were very upset about, but, you know, the rules are the rules.

Zee-B, I was doing some work because I knew Bo would be bringing up that past draft takes. This man, the Eagles have had four first-round picks in the last three years, and he has three of them on record in print and podcast form. Can you imagine this guy? If he had three out of the last four first round three in one year. No, no, no. That's different. This is some nonsense game.

Okay, you go on? No, no, no. This is the record. We all know that you predict seven different things. Zach has predicted the same thing. Zach got Jordan Davis. Zach got Devante Smith, I believe. And even if you want to ding him for Nolan Smith, you cannot give him Nolan Smith.

You cannot give him a first round. You cannot give him four guys. He's got three. Also, in my write-up, I literally say, that they're going to try to trade up for for jail and Carter. I have two. Okay. We all say correct things that are not the exact right thing in the write-up.

I've gotten two of the last four. Even though I was not covering the Eagles last year, I somehow was able to predict the Jordan, the Jalen Carter trade up. I got this. I'm two of the last four. Bo has one of the last four first round picks. Dominating.

It's gotten correct. And let me also remind you. This game means more to me than anything. That for seven round mocks, the Capadia standard is still. the one, 2020, Jalen Rager, Kvon Malton, Jack Driscoll. Yes, that was impressive. Get a Jack Driscoll on your seven-round.

I got Tyron Johnson two years ago. I don't even know who that is. All right. Went later than Driscoll. A much better selection. I appreciate that. Yeah, I mean, he would be bringing that up every show. You're only as good as your next one, though, right?

So your eyes are forward for a reason. Okay. I disagree with that. Your eyes are forward for a reason. I like that. All right. I'm going to go to start. I know that the, like, the group

think, and Zach, you wrote this on all PHI, has sort of coalesced around the idea that while tackle might be the most popular position, Cooper DeGine is the most likely player. I just, I don't see Cooper DeGine as the Eagles guy. He's got the height speed that you talked about. But like given the Eagles sort of SEC kink over the past few drafts, I'm not so sure that Cooper DeGine is their kind of guy. I think they'd love to trade up for Terry and Arnold. I think there are a bunch of of tackles who are here. But I am actually going to go with, as my number one pick,

I'm going to go with Kool-Aid McKinstree because I think that he is the most likely settle at 22 or move down a couple spots if things don't exactly go the way that they want to move up. So I'm going to go Kool-Aid McKinstree as my first pick. You think they would stick at 20, easy, cheater. You think they would stick at 22 and take Kool-Aid McKinstree?

I think that would be their like that would be the plan B or whatever or plan C like it's not the it's not the most exciting thing to them but I think that if they had to pick and their top tackles were off the board they could do that yes Kool-Aid McKinthry and Cooper DeGine are on the board at 22 and that is my take here I think they would take McKinstree over the sheet I mean I'll say this about McKinstry and I wrote about this today on all

PHLI that there's I like the profile when you when you you're drafting at a certain point of like the post hype guy, the guy who has been a first rounder throughout the entire process and you start to pick apart. Kyle Hamilton was that two years ago. Peter Skorinsky was that last year, right? I think Fashano and- I actually want to ask you guys about Fichita. Are like that this year where like these guys were like considered no doubt top 10, top 15 picks.

And then because they've kind of been in the spotlight the whole time, you start to find their warts. I have a feeling that Fashano like there's like a. a bit of an Andre Diller thing here where it could end up that the other tackles go ahead of him. He gets pushed down and the Eagles are like, oh, we didn't think that Foshana was going to be here. This could be, now he's a left tackle primarily.

Could he move to the right side? Potentially he's got those itty-bitty teeny tiny hands that might not be a Jeff Stoughtland thing. But I don't know. I feel like that is a possibility. I don't know if he's on our lists, if he's going to be drafted by anybody, but that's just something on my radar.

I made the case that the itty-bitty hands are, no ones can see you hold it. You want the small hands. Now, Stylund has a slight preference for the big hands. Is that true? If you just sort of look at the guys. But yeah, I mean, I could see you. What else do you know about Jace?

All right. Okay. So you went Kool-Aid McKinstree. I like a Kool-Aid McKinstree. I would be surprised at, no, I could be wrong. If you asked me, who do I think if Dijin and McKinstree were on the board at 22, who were they? I think if McKinstree was their top guy at 22, they would really try to move down. But that could be wrong.

All right. I'm going to go with the guy I have on record as my prediction for the Eagles. I guess I might as well just stay consistent. And that's Terry and Arnold. I've got the Eagles trading up from 22 to 16. I think Z. Burm, you've mentioned it before, that Eagles, Seahawks. John Schneider likes to move back. He wants to move back.

By the way, I did not get that from your piece. I just want to make that. No, you know. You'll know when I'm calling you out. So let me call you out. Although, real quick, you had the fourth rounder in there as a sweet. Do they need the fourth rounder or could you just do the Seahawks first and Seahawks third for the Eagles first and the Eagles second? I don't know. Is that enough?

Based on some of the charts I was looking at. There's too many charts now. Too many charts. We need one chart. I plug in the numbers and you tell me do they work or not. Now you look. It's, oh, well, we came up with this chart. We came up with this chart. Well, this was, I just need one chart. Let's get one chart. Okay. Go ahead. Call them out. You're going to call them out for something. Why is everyone saying stick and pick this year? Is this a new thing? You keep saying sticking. If they stick and pick at 22. I just heard someone else stay. Is this a new draft thing this year?

Tools and the balance. I've heard it before. Stick and pick? Yes. It sounds disgusting, first of all. And I have not heard anyone use this as consistently as they are this year. So let's take that out of here. Just say if they stay at 22.

We don't need to say stick and pick. Okay. Obviously, we're going to be saying sticking pick all week. So I've got Terry and Arnold. I'm not going to follow up. All right. I've got them taking, trading up to 16. Yes, they give up 53. They get back 81 and then they got to give up 120, the fourth rounder. And they take- Do you think that would be a good process?

Giving up a second round pick, even whatever you get back. I don't know if it's good. I think it goes with what, I mean, you were the one who was telling me, SEC. It's not about Georgia players. It's about SEC. So that's one. I think he's pretty clean as far as. I think he's a great prospect. Yeah. I love him. Okay. I just, the idea of giving up a second round pick because you are that confident in your evaluation that this guy is so much better. But you're getting the third back.

It's the tier thing you talked about. They're in this weird spot. There's a, I think if they stay at 22, well, I won't say the names, but I think there's like two guys, and I don't know that either of them,

they'd be like, yes, like let's go. We're excited about it. So I got Terry and Arl. There you go. So, yeah,

so then I have to go with the player that I, just for consistency. Three corners off the door. I wrote that the player, I think, is most likely. I want to go with an offensive lineman here because I do think they're going to try to trade up for an offensive lineman, or they could stay at 22 and draft an offensive lineman. But I think the gene is the most likely based on the profile.

I heard Shields on the ringer Philly special show, and his co-host, Ben Solac, was talking about the gene and said that the Eagles view him as a corner. I get the sense of the same thing that the Eagles do think he can play corner. The Eagles aren't looking at him as like a safety or a slot that they think he can play on the outside. And I think it's an intriguing athletic profile. They brought him in for a 30 visit.

Now, sometimes you do that for guys who are injured because you just want to kind of get a sense of their health. But I think that too is one where they really want to get a sense of the person. I think the gene would make a lot of sense for the Eagles. Yeah, I was debating in my mock. I was either going to have him take DeGine at 22 or trade up for Arnold or trade up for one other guy.

So it's like corner skills. right now are hard to like what do you prioritize because it's such a zone league now teams are playing such little man coverage that if you're just like cooper de jean playing zone i'm good with it but then we all know like on a on a third down and the right like there's going to be a spot where you have to match out that's my concern with him is it's just him and another guy on an island is he going to be able to just be sticky enough in coverage to keep up with that so if i can push back wasn't one of your rules that like coach these guys that's not the college guys and also don't know no

don't overrate your coaching. We just haven't seen him do it. You have to know your staff. That's why with an offensive lineman, if you told me, they're taking a Marius, I'd be like, cool. Okay, if Jeff Stowland liked it, I trust him, but you have to, and it's just he hasn't done it a lot. He's paid 64 snaps of man coverage.

You watch him on film. There are times where I don't think he's as sticky as Terry and Arnold or Wiggins or some of the other guys here. So that's my only concern. I like the physicality, the tackling. I think he would fit what they want to do defensively with Fangio. and you do get the higher floor because if you feel like, all right,

if it doesn't work out, we're going to be able to use this guy somewhere, which is weird thinking because it's the first round and you're not taking a slot corner in the first round, but it does provide you with maybe a higher floor. All right. I'm going to go off the first round track here, the thinking being that if they don't end up with the tackle

in the first round and they're looking for some offensive line help, we know they're going to do that. Zach, you talked about bringing guys in and maybe checking out their medical. You sort of talk yourself into maybe a little bit of the Sydney Jones plan here. And I'm going with your boy, Zach Zinter. Oh, I like this one. From Michigan, who mostly played Red Guard, but has that theoretical interior versatility.

Could even maybe swing out to tackle if need be. And there's like a nice wide range of where he could go, a player who's obviously on their radar. I'm going Zach Zinter. I like the player. I mean, I think that Zach Zinter's brought down here because of the injury. It's not as if he's never going to play football again. broke his leg, right? And he's, he's going to be, but going into the Ohio State game, he was viewed as

one of the top offensive guards in the country. If you get a discount there, I think come like week two, week three, you're feeling good about that. Okay. I'm going old school. Like, I didn't want to bring, I didn't just want to pack up the laptop. You know, I've got it wired to monitors. I didn't want to pack it up.

And then I was like, well, I could bring the iPad. But I haven't had pieces of paper in my hand and so long. You have a good printer and home? You have a good printer at home? Yeah, you know, it took many a try, but we eventually found one. I'm not giving free advertising, okay? Well, butcher box pays a lot of money, but if you need a printer, I've actually had a listener tell me, thank you for the printer.

He said, what's the printer? We're looking for a printer. I gave him the printer recommendation. We have had trouble with pictures. How hard is a printer? Even I could say, oh, have you tried to put a printer in your house? Yes, I'm very impossible, all different. Again, it's like the, what are we just talking about?

Yeah. Takes 30 seconds to set up. Trade is like trade value charts. There's too many. Takes 30 seconds to say out. You probably got the one I got. There's others that don't. You got the hardwifax.

They cost $400. They last two things. $80. I'm saying you probably, I think you probably got the same printer. I finally landed on. I could have used your help. I'm going to go J.C. Latham.

Zeeb's boy. Okay. I feel like maybe he falls to that. Now the Foshano thing's interesting. I don't have a strong sense of which one. of those guys is going to go off the board first, but I think J.C. Latham is a guy. If he gets to that 16 range and they're saying, all right, should we move up here? He's another guy like Arnold, I could see. All right, can play tackle, can play guard. Stoutland will be like this guy is a, you know,

is a beast. I can work with these 35 inch arms. So he's another guy I have on my list. So I'll take Latham. Yeah, I'm well documented on the way I think about Latham. Because this is predictive. He's one reflexes on a guy like that. Because this is predictive and not kind of opinion-based here. I'm going to go with a player who I know Bo is higher on than I am, but I actually think he's someone that the Eagles would be interested in quite a bit. And that's Troy Falano from Washington.

And the reason I say that is because I spoke about how the Eagles value the broad jump. He's the best broad jump of any of the first round offensive tackles. We've all seen, like, or have seen Jeff, was it the clip from the, combine of Jeff Stoutland watching Fottano. And I think that just overall, I understand the height's not there. Jason Peters was 6'4, right? But 34. Is that true?

Yeah, Jason Peters was 6'4. I had no idea that he was. He was 6'4. Yeah. So even though Howie hasn't drafted an offensive tackle who's under 6'5, Fultano, it's the same height as Jason Peters, longer arms, the 34.5 inch arms, fit that threshold you're looking for like Graham Barton. is six foot five, but doesn't have those arms.

So sometimes you value the arms. I don't like the age. Like I said, I think there's more upside with a J.C. Latham, but I think Falton was a guy that will be on their radar for trade-up. Just for the record, Zach, Adam Schaefter, just tweeted the league's review into tampering allegations against the Falcons and Eagles is ongoing and will not conclude this week per the NFL. So correcting what he wrote yesterday that it's going to happen quickly. Yeah. Shots.

Shepter. All right. I would never... I love that. Oh, no, no, no. Adam, I have great reverence for... That is good stuff. I have great reverence for Adam.

A great reverence. Somebody's keeping track on the scoreboard. Just so you know. No, Adam, please don't misperceive what I just said, okay? Please, Adam knows what I think of him. I've been very clear with Adam when I think of him. And why isn't this snake and why are you first? Did I miss that part of the proceedings?

I'm first because I crushed it last year. Then he should go last? Shouldn't he? What is this? A bit of a reward. How does the NFL draft where? There's 16 games that we do. It's not a snake.

Yeah, the NFL draft's not a snake. Yeah, the worst team gets, oh, he means that their champion goes last. First of all, a snake would be far more exciting. So they should look into that. All right, go ahead. All right, I'm going to go here. The only game where it's not a snake, and he has the first pick. Middle round corner.

If they don't get a corner in the first round, guy who they have brought in for a visit, some inside outside versatility, certainly the most well-educated and handsomest corner in the draft and that is Kalyn Carson from Wake Forest like a Kalin Carson and I think there's a good shot that they take him in the middle rounds

so there you go. He's been very injured, right? Kalen Carson? Not very injured. He got injured in the before the Senior Bowl had to drop out of the Senior Bowl. All right. Who do I like here?

Say this is weird. You're just, this might be bad for audio. I apologize. to the podcast. We're on YouTube. Yeah. I'm just crinkling some papers up here. All right. Here's a guy I like. I think you like him.

One of you liked them. I think it was you. Well, Mike Hall. Ohio State. I like a Mike Hall. I really do like it. Michael. Gap penetrating, defensive tackle in the Milton Williams mold. Maybe you're not bringing in, bring him Milton Williams back. You don't want to pay him.

You say, who's the guy? We can get here. Just, uh, will be 21 years old. So you're drafting the son. As a rookie junior. Yeah. That was a joke. well no normally i'm going this way after he says something now i have to go this way no so i said that because in bo's all name team he it was

it was michael junior and then it was most likely to be the son of michael right yes so because michael michael yes so that's i was setting up bow's joke michoia's cracking up with that one yeah junior this would be like a second round uh okay i like i like i like a michal on as a day two option and just in in this class a like a young defensive tackle with that kind of athletic tools in his body, relatively rare in this class it feels like.

So then I'm going to stick to my first round. I don't have to keep track when I'm picking. No, I've got it. And this is someone who I had in my first Eagles mock draft, and I've been talking them up actually ever since the season. And that's Amarius Mims. I think Amaris Mims could be a stick and pick, a stick at 22 player that they draft.

And as I wrote today, like if, if you, I just saw our, our flyers guys come in, Matt Vaid Makoff, am I pronouncing it correctly? Asking the, yeah. Beats the hell out of me. If he becomes, if he becomes one the top players in the, in the, in the NHL, you won't care that you waited two or three years for that to happen, right? Mims, my argument for this, like Fran Duffy said when he was sitting in the seat is that if he becomes Jordan, if it's like Jordan Milata, if that's the comparison, if three years, now, four years from now, he's one of the best players at his position. You don't find high-end offensive tackles on the free agent market. It's a worthy bet to take. So that's why I like MIMS for them. I like MIMS too. I think they would like MIMS. I'm going to take one more potential

first round tackle who we have not had off the board yet. And this is a guy who might be slipping a little bit and could be a trade-down option for them or even, let's say the first round goes a certain way and they want to move up to the top of the second round if this guy is still on the board. And that is Tyler Guyton from Oklahoma. We've talked about him before. Enormous right tackle from Oklahoma, a little bit inexperienced. But boy, does he have some power behind him? And there's the Lane Johnson connectivity.

Might be a stretch to see if he can play guard. But I think he's a player that Jeff Stylum would like. Mims with Dijin, I think, are the two likely options if they stay at 22. And I think two of the guys you got Guyton and McKinstree are like. Like the likely if they trade back a little. Yes. Just a. And then you've got Arnold and Zach Scott Fautano and maybe those are the two trade-up possibilities.

Yeah. All right. I'll go with another tackle here, Kingsley, Sue Mataya. Okay. From BYU. Now, where they're picking right now, would it necessarily like, like, yeah, like they, I don't think he's going to go at 22. I don't think he's going to last until 50, but you maneuver across the board a little bit. And so 23 games at BYU gave up two sacks on 700 pass blocking snaps.

Just turned 21 in January. Seems like a good player to me. It's a prospect that I like quite a bit of Sue and Matei. I like a Sue Mateo as well. So I am going to go to everyone in May's Landing watching this. Shout out to Cedar Creek High School, right? I'm going to go Max Melton. Max Melton.

Ruckers Corner. We've talked about him, inside out, versatility, height weight speeds there. think, you know, or it, I mean, he was a 438, 6 foot 190 plus. And I like Rutgers defensive backs under Shiana. Okay. What's that? What Chiano done that's so great? Like Rutgers?

The McCordy brothers, Harmon. When was that? 1990? No. What did Shiano have done recently? He produced MacMaconne? He yelled at some guys. Yeah.

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So you got about two seconds. Yeah, he's coming in. I didn't have time. I couldn't think on my feet. I'm like Nick Nurse with the Bobo. timeout last night. That was Bob. Yeah, I mean, the complaining about not getting the time out call and then you'll watch it and it's like he hasn't really called it and then the other one he calls a little bit late, a little unbecoming. I'm deciding whether I should just go off on the sixers right now or not.

I don't. Pull a less. I mean, it's just a culture. Yeah. It's like a culture of excuse making and whining today. It's like you had many opportunities to win the game. You didn't do it. And it's like have you never had a bad whistle before? Like did we just start watching sports today? Like you've had bad calls in the past. Sometimes they go for you. Sometimes they go against you. That's sports. If you watch the replay when the ball is being in balance, he's literally doing a bobo timeout.

He's like holding it. He's thinking about it and he doesn't do it. And then the other one, all right, fine. They missed that call. But he did because the ball he doesn't have possession when he's called on. And there's a lot going on. Yeah, you might miss that. It's like stuff happens. What happened to just you lose a game and you say

it wasn't on the rest. We need to do a better job. Like, what happened to the accountability that it's just like over and over again every postseason with this team there's something like that and then i feel like the fan base gets sucked into it and they start embracing the excuse making all the group chats oh they show them me screen grabs of a jersey being grabbed it's like you come on that happens call the time out after the buckets made and then set up just kind of annoyed by this yeah don't put it in the rough hands isn't that the expression there so by the way a breed when he's he was he was called me out there i was wonder if there's a

problem if he wants to sit in here no he's totally fine. He wanted to make sure that we saw the comment that he put in. I was like, I didn't say the comment. I saw that he said he said dad I'm watching. Oh, is that what he wrote? I thought so. Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. He commented on the side. And so he wanted to see if I saw the comment. But in any event that we're all good. So okay. Julia scouring. No, Joy, you don't think of scouts. Yeah. All right. I'm up here around five as we approach one o'clock. how do you replace Jason Kelsey? You know, you got Cam Jergens.

With Cam Jergens, that's how you replace. But you want a late round pick, an undersized guy with a great short shuttle, an overachiever, a little bit of position for versatility, maybe more than, more than Kelsey had. This is one of my favorite players on the day three of the draft. Dylan McMahon from NC State 6-3-299 with a 433 short shuttle, ran a 5-1-4-1-4. 40 has 44 starts to his belt at NC State, split between left guard, red guard, and center. I like a Dylan McMahon. I could see him if they get their tackle on day one or day two,

and they need a little interior offensive lineman backup rounds 5, 6, 7. Dylan McMahon is my man. Okay. I like that. You do? I mean, I like him going down for the sixth round. My board's mainly top three rounds, so I give him credit. Yeah, well, I'm going for the points.

There is a way, but you get more points if you get a later round, right? That's what I'm saying, yeah. That's why he's fishing for that. I'll go, have I taken every offensive, how many offensive tackles? You've only got two. You've got Latham and Sue him in time.

I'm going to take a Roger Rosengarten from... Bo likes the Rosengarten. Washington? Okay. Well, that's it. I thought there was more backstory now. No, he's like an insult, but I like him. He's fine.

Yeah, you would have preferred it to be an insult. You brought him up. He always mentions Henry Rosengarner, whenever it happened one time and then you continue to break it up but yeah okay uh Roger you're a good athlete Roger Rosengarten great athlete

broad jump fast has the tools Jeff Stadlin would want to work with 6-5-308 and was a good college player so there you go maybe a day two option I think I had him in my mock oh now I get to see what a super chat look until it really gets highlighted Santiago wants to know what will it take to hire

Sheel and Marissa shield the floor is yours yeah that's a good That's a good question. I don't know. I don't. I'm your prize. I can't respond to the super chat. The super chat you have to respond to.

I mean, you're here. Listen, a little olipop and a t-shirt would have been a good start. No, but maybe next time. We have a bunch of all-pop in that fridge. That's what it takes. We're good for the negotiations. All right. Gut health.

Gut health is important. There's Reed. Dad, I'm, all right, we got working our spelling, but yeah, I appreciate that, Ray. Jeez. You're like my mom. I got a 98. All right, what two did you get wrong? My entire childhood.

Every Capadia child. A lot of 98. You get something. No, you get something. It's just, all right. Well, what were that?

That was the first question every time. Okay. Now I do that jokingly. My wife doesn't like, don't do that. No one's more proud of it than I am. But yeah, yeah. I might fit.

In any event, my pick here. So I can't keep going with first and second round, guys, but I'm going later on in the board. I've said edge rushers not as pronounced the need as some Eagles fans and some of the reporters might suggest,

but I do think it's something that they're kind of looking for, developmental down the line. Jalax Hunt from Houston Christian. Brought in for a visit. And he was a safety at Cornell, right? He talked about, like, someone who intrigues me, a safety at Cornell. I talk about someone who would be off my board

if that's all you told me about. He was a safety at Cornell. A Princeton man. Who develops into an edge rusher. There's some athleticism as Howley would say there's tools in the body for them to develop a little older, 23,

but 6.3, 24, or 6.4, thereabouts, 248. I think that's a profile of the Eagles could look at as a developmental edge rusher. All right. I will keep things moving here. Give me a late round player who they have had in for a visit.

I've already got Kulay, McKinstree, and Keelan Carson on my squad, but I'm going to go with D. Camarian Richardson, who is a height, weight, speed guy, a cornerback option for the Eagles, probably round five, six. The cousin of Devin White. Really? Yes, cousin of Devin White.

Yeah, they both like horseback riding. Do you like horseback riding? No. Have you ever been on a horse? I have, yeah. I mean, back when I was younger, like I haven't been on a horse in a long time. Okay. Yeah.

You like horseback riding? I don't know that I've ever been on that horse. No. Really? I've been on a camel. Okay. I've done a camel before. Yeah.

Yeah. I've been on a camel before. I know that's right. All right. I'm a Johnny Wilson wide receiver. Well, I feel like ZB would like this guy. You like a Johnny Wilson? I like him as a converted tight end, right?

I do not like a Johnny Wilson. I like taking him as a wide receiver and playing the tight end. All right. It's like Howie's favorite thing. Yes. Some Bobo Project tight end. Well, Howie and I are kindred spirits in that regard. Well, listen.

You got to replace a MoMA. You got to replace a Akeem Butler. If you need a fade in a big spot, is the safe next to here on his job, you'd go into a Johnny Wilson. Plus if you put Albert O out there, you know the defense is paying attention to him. So get another guy just like him.

And you know Hurtain throwing the ball to him. It's like 17 yards of catch, though, Johnny Wilson? Yeah, jump six foot six, two 31. Johnny Wilson, Johnny Wilson. Ryan Wilson. He ran a 4-5-2-35 at 3-8-inch arms. I mean, he couldn't even, like, he would probably be touching the wall here, right?

Is that how long that is? All right. So there you go. Johnny Wilson, 41 catches for 617 yards last year. Average 17.2 yards per reception for his career. Hopefully you get some national reporter coming in one day at a training camp, saying no one's talking about Johnny Wilson. This guy's going to take the leak by storm,

just like MoMA back in the day. I like that. So I'm going day two offensive tackle here. This is a preference, but it came out actually today. out to Andrew DeCheco, he's doing a real good job with this, from inside the birds. He does all the visits. And Blake Fisher from Notre Dame.

Blake Fisher is someone who I've pointed out back to the Francho as I think he's an underrated offensive tackle. I think he gets kind of looped in with Joe Alt because of how good Joe Alt was. But Blake Fisher checks what you look for in terms of size, athleticism, experience, age. If you believe that Jeff Stoutland can develop someone with traits, Blake Fisher has those traits. I like Blake Fisher a lot. If the Eagles go corner day one,

I would think Blake Fisher should be a candidate for them day two. Blake Fisher, the second round pick in my worst case scenario mock draft. Yeah, so you have Brock Bowers, Blake Fisher. That seems pretty good to me. Or so why don't you like Blake Fisher? I don't have anything against Blake Fisher in particular. You literally put him in a worst case scenario mock draft. Right.

And I'm going to explain why. Because first of all, it's trying to be realistic. They're not going to reach for like a fourth round caliber guy. I'm skeptical of Blake Fisher in the second round because that's not where elite tackles come from and so using a second round pick on a tackle only guy who doesn't have a ton of experience doesn't seem to me like the best use of resources

when there are other things that they could address especially if they have taken a luxury tight end in the first round and have given up a second round pick to do so. Okay. I am going to go here. We've got four more selections each. Four?

So we can, go a little bit quicker here. I will go the counterpart to J-Lex Hunt, who I think is a similar type player, but a slightly better profile, a little bit younger, doesn't have the terrible experience of having played safety at Cornell. This is Austin Booker from

Kansas, flash at the Senior Bowl, was not arrested for it, and so I'm here for Austin Booker. All right, I guess I should just go. I don't have an Austin Booker follow-up. I mean, I can talk to you about this time of Kansas, but I think we're good. You could go back to our edge rusher show. for some good Austin Booker Insight.

Yeah. How many people you think are doing that? I am. If you want more Jalick's Hunt, do you have to go to the Eddressure show or the safety show? Oh, actually, there's a different show that we had that in. Okay. But I would say that if you're interested, the viewers,

you let me know, you can put it in the chat. You can message me at Z. Burm on Twitter. You can send me an email at Z. Berman. Oh, I'm sorry, at Zach. at all page.com. Okay. Which, which, do you guys want a landing page?

You guys want a landing page on all page l.com. They know. All of our draft content. If you do, let me know, I will put it out there.

You'll make someone else do it. Yeah. This isn't the type of place where you make someone else do something. Okay. I think Julia might disagree. No, no, no, no. Trust me.

If something goes up on that site, there's no letter between me and that. I'm putting, it up. All right. I'm going miles hard in, cornerback, South Dakota. They had him in for a visit, right? I actually don't believe. Oh, yeah? I thought I looked at an

inquirer, Devin Jackson. Great job on the show. I thought he had him on there. So 5'11, 195, probably a nickel, but all those things people used to describe you know, nickel go feisty. Some some history of

day three corners from smaller schools with success. So I like a Miles Harden, yeah. Oh, my cool. like Taree Willen. Oh, league, you're saying? Yes. Oh, that's meant Eagles. Okay, all right, there you go.

So I will go Trevin Wallace, the linebacker from Kentucky. I don't think the Eagles are going to push linebacker, but Trevin Wallace has a pre-draft visit. Yeah, has a profile that could jump out to them. This is not a very good linebacker class at all, to be frank. I don't think that they go second round linebacker. I don't think they go with an Edge Cooper or Junior Colson. but if you're talking about fourth round Trevin Wallace is there,

that's a player I can see them going after. All right, I'm going to go wide receiver here at the start of round eight. And wide receiver's tough because there are so many wide receivers. The pool is narrower at different positions that they're going to draft, but they're going to draft a wide receiver at some point.

I've talked about Jalen Polk being my guy. I don't think that he's going to be in range for them. However, his teammate, Jalen McMillan, you talk about a guy who has some downfield ability, could maybe play the Quez Watkins role. They're going to like the pedigree of having played at a big school. I could see that appealing to them. A player who has been comfortable, you know, sharing targets.

I think Jalen McMillan could make sense for them and, you know, call it round four. I like a polk, too. I'll take some of the Polk stock. Yeah, I love a Polk. I'm in on a Polk. Polk is, I think, my favorite, like, relative to consensus guy of that day, too. Put Polk on a team with, like, a good, give me him with a good quarterback. I feel like he could have a very nice rookie season right away.

All right. I'm getting a guy who I knew nothing about until yesterday when I did my seven round mock draft on the ringers. Philly Special. How about we fight, fight, fight, fight for the cherry and the Jordan McGee. Okay. I like that. On my board as well.

Go ahead, Zeeby. Tell me all about Jordan McGee. Jordan McGee, run I think a four, five eight. Is that right? Four, five, five. Four, five. Flip in. Ouch.

Jordan McGee, yeah, he's from Delaware. Dover. Dover, Delaware. You like a Dover? I like all of Delaware. Great times in Delaware. I bought a few times. I bought in a few pieces of electronics in Delaware.

Oh, that, yeah, that one, we don't name the store, but I think that best. Yes. Yes. That best purchase place. You go across the border, you don't pay the taxes. Yeah, I believe that does more business than any one of those stores in America, if you knew that nugget. Yeah. Every time I need to get a laptop or TV.

or something like that. I'm driving down. But are you making up with the gas mileage what you're paying for the taxes? Yeah, I mean, for an appliance or for a piece of technology. You like an appliance shopping? That's not particularly. Love an appliance shopping.

Bridge, dishwasher, nothing better as an adult. You hope you nail it the first time. I don't have to get it for a while. But you get the house and it has it. You want to treat yourself a little bit. All right. Okay. But once had a story of a big box store that way,

where he had an issue. That's it. That's all. You were getting dishwasher? Yes. Okay. Right?

I mean, should I name the store? I mean, I can think of things I enjoy as an adult slightly more than that. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Go ahead. All right. I'm going with Anaya Smith. You should put that sticking with the you should put that

for the diehards. The dishwasher story. I mean, it's not that it's just a delivery that didn't work. Or they wouldn't, they wouldn't,

you're not. it. You're not happy about that. Anaya Smith, who, if you recall on the Coach Flynn episode, this is someone who I thought was underrated. The Texas A&M offense was weird last year. That's probably in the past few years. That's probably why Jimbo was fired

and they spent that big buyout. But I think this is a versatile player who you can use him different ways. I mean, he's more of a slot. He can help in the return game. You're looking at a day three type receiver. as Bo said, they brought him in.

Aaron Wilson reported that, that they brought him in. And I think the fact that you're bringing in a guy from Texas A&M, who's a day three guy, shows that you want to do some more research on him. All right. Round nine here. I'm going to go with two more picks. I'm going to go with a real shot in the dark here. Let's say the Eagles do not address linebacker in the first four rounds of the draft.

What do we know, Howie Roseman wants with that position? Once a guy with some speed, doesn't mind if he's looking. little bit undersized. Well, very undersized from Florida State, 5, 11 and a half to 10, but ran a 4-4-7 at the combine. Kalin Deloche sort of strikes me as a Sean Bradley type could contribute on special teams right away. Kailen Deloche is my pick. If this one gets banged, I mean, that's a huge one for me. All right. I will go with Christian Haynes,

just so Bo can get some... Agism out here. Guard from Yukon. Like a Yukon? 24 years old. Oh yeah, that's true. You might be torn here. You like a Yukon, but you don't, but you also like an ageism.

So this doesn't, the Venn diagram, it doesn't really fit for you. 49 straight starts in his career gave up just one sack and two QB hits in the last two seasons. Good mover, good senior bowl, I believe. Maybe a day two option if they don't draft an offensive lineman in the first round. If the Eagles don't draft an offensive lineman in the first round, there's a school that's tied with Alabama and Auburn for the most offensive lineman that Howie Roseman has drafted from that school. Do you know what the school that is? TCU. TCU, yes. Well done.

Texas Christian. Matt Pryor and Halipulavati Vita. And so, you know, they like what they've gotten from Fort Worth in the past. And they can go to that well again. Brandon Coleman, who Jim Nagy for. from the senior bowl was saying is like someone who teams are higher on him than maybe the media is. And Brandon Coleman has guard tackle versatility.

Certainly fits the like, like Beau said, the size prototype that the Eagles like. As I said, they had success with Vaitai. They had success with prior. They could go back to that well with Coleman. If you wanted to do no work on the draft, what are the things you could put out there? The league likes this guy more than the media does.

for anybody you could do that you could do your thing yesterday that this is the 15th straight year that howie roseman is making calls in the first round oh yeah and there are things like that there's certain stock things yeah it's like every year you can just it's our art it's draft time now yeah i saw our former colleague ben standing like he said that if if you say oh this guy's going be drafted a lot earlier than people think you have to show your work you have to say when you think that guy's going to be drafted otherwise it's like that yeah because you're starting to see that and then if it happens you're you're going to be drafted a lot and then if it happens you're like, I told you.

But then even if he's drafting like the third round, you're like, I saw a mock draft that someone had during the six round. The other thing, my other pet peeve, okay, and I suppose I've done three mock draft so far on all pHLY. I will do one. I will do a final one. But my pet peeve is when they draft a player and someone's like, I had them in my mock draft.

And you had them in like an April, you know, in like a March mock draft version, you know, 6.3. And by that point, you've covered. every single guy, right? So I think your final one is like your predictive one. You know, there's all these sports media beats out there. I feel like there's a real watchdog site to be had out there where you tell me which agents are lying who are inflating the salaries for every guy who gets signed in the NFL

and the NBA. Who's lying about some of this stuff? Who's reporting stuff? You know, they're making calls? Yeah, we know they're making calls. Like, come on. You're telling me you wouldn't read that? It would have to almost be like a guy.

Gossip girl where we couldn't know who the person was because they'd be taking a lot of heat. I'm in on that business idea. Young journal is out there, enterprising. Don't do what everyone else is doing. Do what I did. Send me the link. There you go. Problem is now that you have put that out there.

Everyone's going to think it's you. You think I'm doing the work to do all that? No, they know me better than that. No chance. All right. I'm going to close mine out with, we've all sort of peppered the pre-draft visits. So I'm going to add one last one here. and that is another offensive line possibility.

A guy with some guard tackle flex, even though he's a little undersized at 6.3, 322. Tested pretty well at the Combine from Kansas City, Kansas. Went to Piper High School. Cooper Beebe. That's my final pick. That was an interesting one because when I was reading a Cooper Beebe, I'm like, I don't think they're going to like a Cooper Beebe,

and they bring in a Cooper Beebe for a shorter arms visit. Yeah. And like the film says, not an athletic guy, right? sort of like a brawler. A plotter. Yeah. But then he tested well. He tested pretty well, yeah.

So maybe that's why they brought him in. You know, because that's what you want. You want to, when the film doesn't match, that's what you want to bring in a guy. You want the information, you know. Yeah, and especially if he's going to be playing interior, that's the problem is that's where people get to Brady.

And so you need to stop that interior pass rush pressure. All right. I'm debating between Taylor Demerson, a Solack and Baldi favorite. and a yes what are you going to say I have no idea what he's going to say you know what he's going to say come on we're in like a Julian needs to go

go on with her day say what you were going to say or don't say it if it's going to get you fired go ahead okay all right was going to get him fired so there might be something about him I don't know I'm going to take him off my list all right Christian mahogany Boston College is another guy I'm thinking about old lu Fasha is he this sleeper

now you're pulling to me because I've got a lot of names I could have gone with. No, but I'm... Jarvis Brownlee, Dominic Pune. Okay, no one wants to hear about this. Jonah Ellis, Julianne Harrow. Olufaschinoe, he could be the guy we're forgetting to, like, you know,

he slips a little. Yeah. And you take him in the first round. Edrin Cooper, you don't think they like, you'd add him in for... Oh, no, I think they like, I don't think they're going round two corner. Oh, I'm sorry, round two lineback.

So, Junior Colson, you're saying, though? I mean, I don't know. We'll see. Yeah. All right. I'm going to go with... Let's go with a Fashio. We'll go with Olu Faschinoo.

Maybe he falls to 16-ish, and all of a sudden they trade off, and everyone says, who are they trading that for? And they say, oh, and everyone says, oh, how he's season. Did it again. Olufashino. Okay. All right. I can see that.

You're not excited about it. I know when you're enthusiastic and when you're not. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm trying to think of what direction to go here for my last. That way. Take the Demerson guy. Taylor Jefferson. You know what?

This guy is not linked to the Eagles in pre-draft visits. And this is one where I'm simply going based on like, all right, there's no reporting here. No one's told me this, but I've covered the team for 13 years. This is just their type of player, right? And that is Tanner Bordellini. Do you love that guy? I swear I've heard you say his name 400 times in the last three weeks. Tanner Bordellini has.

It is fun to say. But just the profile, right? Look, an interior guy from Wisconsin, top interior athlete at the Combine in terms of, you know, certain, in terms of certain testing. You talk about how you liked, you know, Jason Kelsey having that speed, field, like the size, the length. There's, I haven't heard the Eagles link to him at all, but I think it's a profile that Eagles will like. Simpsons fans will appreciate that his nickname is Bort. Ah, okay. You big Simpsons guy?

Certain times in my life. Certain times in your life, okay. All right, let me quickly run through the pre-draft visits who we did not draft. Just these are the guys who the Eagles have brought in who did not land on our boards. Andrew Phillips, the corner from Kentucky. Jerry and Jones, the late round corner from Florida State. Elijah Jones from Boston College. Christian Mahogany and Travis Glover as offensive linemen.

None of us took any of the early edge rushers who they brought in. Layatou Latu, Chop Robinson, Marshawn Neeland, and Idisa Isaac, at wide receiver, Xavier Leggett and Brendan Rice, and then Edgerman Cooper, who you mentioned, running through our teams. I have. Who's your source for the pre-draft visits? I'm crediting Jimmy Kempski for bringing them all together on his landing page there. Kool-Aid McKinstree, Zach Zinter, Kailen Carson, Tyler Guyton, Dylan McMahon,

DeKamarian Richardson, Austin Booker, Jalen McMillan, Kailen, Kailen Deloach, and Cooper Beebe for me. Terry and Arnold, J.C. Latham, Mike Hall Jr., Kingsley, Sue, Matea, Roger Rosengarten, Johnie Wilson, Miles Hardin, Jordan McGee,

Christian Haley, for Sheal, and for Zach, Cooper Dejean, Troy Fottanoo, Amerius Mims, Max Melton, Jalick's Hunt, Blake Fisher,

Trevin Wallace, Ania Smith, Brandon Coleman, and Tanner Bordellini. Dancing back there? Randy's put on the show. You sure he doesn't want to come in, say goodbye at the end of the episode?

Emily Wantson to, she's texting me, Have every come on. Reed, you want to come in? No, he doesn't want to. I'm not going to force the kid. Absolutely. All right.

Shia, what can our listeners look out for from you as the draft approaches? Yeah, the ringer.com, ringer NFL show for the draft and then the ringers Philly special, of course. My style, I'm so used to working at home and eating very frequently that when I get to outside my comfort zone and I haven't eaten in a few hours, a little rumbets now getting a little growl. You might have to, you know, take that out of the audio. A little gut health.

All right. Zach, how are you doing? I got to say, I love doing shows with Shield. It's so much fun having him here. Yeah, this is, this is a blast. Time flies when we're with you. I got the middle seat, though. Do you not like the middle?

It's tough to middle. I'm doing a lot of this. You're lucky I do now. I do the neck rolls every day. Make sure to avoid the middle because he doesn't want to be. Yeah, I got to stretch the neck out every day. Very important. Yeah, I was thinking the middle would be, it's better for a guest, right?

because if a co-host is sitting there, you're going like that, you know, so we're both directing stuff at you. I like it. I referenced the protein shake thing at the beginning. I hope people are listening to the Philly special that they understand this reference. There was a show about two weeks ago that they were talking about how jacked you are. No, Cliff hadn't seen me in person. And so he proudly assumed, rightfully so, that I was like a brittle old man who could, you know, bear it. We finally had to meet him in person.

Walked with a hunchback. Yes, I got to meet him in person. He's like, ah, you're not so bad. You're a shell over here. Fine. You're wearing a jacket. So there you go. So that's what the reference is.

When you're old, you got to make sure everything works, you know, that's all. You feel intimidated by his physical presence? No, I cover professional football players. I'm not intimidated. Yeah. That's a good answer. Yeah, I'll take it. Yeah, definitely not intimidated.

Zach, last, before we leave, I want to give you a chance to plug just the voluminous amount of content that we have on all phtly.com right now. And it's it's going to keep going too. AllPHLY.com is the place to go for all your Philly sports coverage, premium coverage of every team. Bo has this time of year, Bo is awesome with, you know, you saw all the rest of the year, but just the same year. No, I'm saying all the draft data. A fair. All the draft data you had last week.

The name guide yesterday, great. I always look forward to your worst case scenario even though it wasn't really a worst case scenario I believe you're going to have a best case scenario and you'll have a predictive one as well I don't want to assign you work I think that's what you said you're going to be doing I had today I had

27 thoughts about the Eagles that could have been more I should I should have put in that when I was thinking about overnight that I did not put in I appreciate that you stayed away from exactly 25 yeah well that was a nod to you

you. And it would have been more if I didn't have to leave to come. You know, I had a lot of work. Actually, it would have been, it would have been nice if the last one was just Vic Fangio, Patrick Sturtain, Michael Oji, Moogiam. And that was it. That's it. That was a thought. Yeah. I had, I had position capsules for positions that are in focus for the Eagles. I will have my Eagles mock draft out tomorrow. And then Thursday for the first time since I was at the Inquirer. So I left after 2019. I'm going to have my NFL mock draft out. So I'm excited to get back in that game. Haven't done that the past four years. I'll get back in that game. We'll have an NFL mock draft out. And this is all, of course, for diehard. We are going to have some non-diehard content. And we will have like my stuff from the draft. Howie says, what Nick says, that'll be non-diehard. You can make sure you read that there. And then just shout out like all our coverage, but our Sixers writers in New York, our Sixers reporters in New York, going to great.

great job kowal newbeck on the scene derrick baudner on the scene uh we're all hooked in the series so make sure you check that out all right good stuff and we are back tomorrow at noon zach and me with our final our seven round eagles mock drafts and then on thursday night the whole first round friday the whole second round and we'll see what happens in the third round if eagles have picks on saturday rounds four five and six some special guests along the way and we have a lot of fun so Join us for all that good stuff. Thank you to Sheila Kapadia, read him at the ringer, listen to him there. And for all of us here at P-H-L-Y, thanks for listening.

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