PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | Will Nakobe Dean hold off Zack Baun to start at LB for the Philadelphia Eagles?

Episode Date: July 19, 2024

Our position previews ahead of training camp move on to where there are starting jobs up for grabs. We know four of the likely starters along the offensive line, but right guard is open. Will it be Tyler Steen or will Mekhi Becton make a push for the job? And at linebacker, Nakobe Dean was not the full-time starter alongside Devin White in the spring. Will he overtake Zack Baun?Plus, Zach Berman and Bo Wulf debate the most memorable Eagles games of their time covering the beat. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody, and welcome to the P.H.O.Y. Eagles podcast. Friday, high noon, Bo Wolf. Zach Berman here to talk about the linebacker position, the offensive line, position in transition, and also some of our favorite games to close out rank week, Zach, your favorite Eagles games covering the team. How you doing? Happy Friday. Doing well, like you said, in the cold open, last Friday before camp begins. Like you said before the show started. Yeah, I'm excited for camp. There's a certain, you know, I like a certain rhythm to the year, to the day, to this season. And training camp is really the start of football season for me. So I'm excited, counting it down.

Yeah. I mean, I will be excited when training camp begins to be there for training camp, but I wouldn't mind if it didn't start for another month. Really? Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I'll be honest with you. You've had enough vacation?

You're good? well i'm not saying that i'm saying i had enough you'll have the rest of your life with that family no i'm not saying that either i'm saying i i had enough like man i say this respectfully kind of creating shows out of like uh you know creating shows out of thin air if you know i i like substance to talk about i like when the stories change every day when there's something new and fresh and different and like for instance i was prepping for the show and it's going to be a really good show but like we've spoken about the offensive line for the past six months. We spoke about the linebackers for the past six months.

So when we have this conversation next week, there will be more information, right? We would have seen by that point two practices. We'll see how they're working through the depth chart. So point is, I'm excited for camp because the story's changed. It's like you put everything in, you shuffle the deck and you have a fresh deck. But you don't want to stack that deck. Well, you don't want to stack the deck because then you know how much to talk about later in the year, right so yeah okay well let's let's talk about linebacker let's start there yes now uh i think the most pressing question and the most interesting thing to find out over the course of the first week or so is the second starter opposite devon way yes and i think you know if we flash up the

depth chart i still you know in in just on paper i would put nikobo dean ahead of zach bond but in the spring it seemed like zach bond was maybe like a half step ahead of him now nikobo dean was dealing with an injury. No? No. Because Dean was injured, so Bonn will be a step ahead. Sorry. I thought it was a good figure of speech.

Go ahead. You can take it from here. Seriously? All right, keep going. Keep going. All right, fine. Nicoby Dean was dealing with an injury during the spring. Zach Bonn was taking the first team snaps.

Yes. But I would still, if you know, if we're playing the turkey's game, I would put, you know, 55 turkeys on Nkoby-Dine still being the starter week one opposite Devin White. But do you feel the same way? Do you think this is Nicopa Dine's job to lose? Or do you think that it really will be Zach Bond? I think N'Cobo Dien is the better player. So I'm going with Nicopa Dine right now. And that said, I don't think, well, I know Vic Fangio, Bobby King, like, Nicopa Dine doesn't have the same.

equity with them that he might have had true with the previous coaching staff right or you know and and so we're operating under the presumption here that vic fangio is making all the calls on defense right and so for vick fangio it's kind of like a blank slate for certain players and in nicobee dean's case there's a lot it might not have been the coach except certainly the front office and obviously howie roseman still has influence but there's a vested interest in seeing nicobe dean succeed and i'm saying that Vic Fiancio doesn't have that, but Vic Fangio, these guys are starting from scratch. And so I am curious to see that. But I think that Nicobi Dean, we never got to see them fully healthy last year when we had

Josh Tolentino on the show earlier this offseason. He spoke about how both the feet were a problem and had to deal with the shoes. I was bullish on Nicole Bedeen coming out. That said, this is one where I'd learned from you that, you know, the league told you they thought he was there in the third round it wasn't health related presumably because he didn't miss any you know the eagles had a clean bill of health my guess is it was an evaluation it was whether a size whether a speed but there was an evaluation about nicobe dean and through two years it seems the league was more accurate on that than the eagles we'll see kind of what happens this

season i still think niccob dean can play i think it's interesting because zach bonn is a theoretical player still, right? It's not like if it was Oren Berks who was ahead of Nkobi Dean to start with for Vic Vanjo, it would make a little bit more sense. Like this is a veteran who is going to give you a baseline of probably slightly below average level of play

but like going to be dependable and reliable. And if Nikobe Dean can outplay that guy in camp, great, go win the job. But Zach Bond is not a player who has been a like starting caliber inside linebacker. He has been a He has been a right. He's been a, he's been a

player. Now, he's played it on occasion in that Saints defense, but he is still totally theoretical. And so for him to have been put ahead of, or I don't even know if it's fair to say ahead of Nicobi Dean in the spring because of the injuries. We don't know how that all factored in. But it's an interesting head to head. And it's also kind of funny because like we're just, you know, Devin White's just A1 and he's the guy, but he's coming off an incredibly down season. Good point. So with Zach Bonn, you said it well. It is theoretical. Now, from the size profile, he's a different size profile than Nukobo Dean. From a skill set profile, it's a different skill set profile than Nikobe Dean. So perhaps Vic Fangio, perhaps Bobby King, they're looking for a different type of player than Nekobi Dean. We'll see.

it also could be as simple as Nicobo Dean was hurt this spring. They're waiting for him to be fully healthy. Sure. And he's going to be fine here. And our expectations or our understanding is that, you know, the front office remains relatively high on Nicopi Dean, right? Howie Roastman went out of his way to gas him up in the end of season press conference. Yeah.

With Devin White, there's more demonstrated performance there. We've seen Devin White play at a high level. Now we've seen him play at a poor level. and the league spoke to you there as well, right? Devin White didn't get a huge deal. When we were talking about the free agents that were available this offseason, Devin White, like you would have thought Devin White would have gotten Jordan Brooks's deal based on name appeal, right?

But clearly that's not the case. He got a one-year deal. It's really like a $4 million deal. I know there's up to money, but it's really a $4 million deal. Whereas some of these other starting linebackers were getting 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 million, year and multi-year deals. So the league spoke to you there. I just think I think Devin White first off he was the green dot player during the summer, I'm sorry, during the spring. He told us himself he was wearing the green dot and dime. That means you're playing

all three downs. We know the speed profile there. We've seen the blitzing. Now that hasn't been something that Vic Fangio has used in his scheme historically from the linebackers. But Zach, I'm sorry, Devin White said, Vic told him he would cater the skill set. or catered the defense to the player skill sets when we had James Palmer on earlier this offseason. He said that's one thing that Fangio will do is he'll look at his players. If you can prove you can do it, then he'll let you do it. Exactly. So I can see why Devin White is the top guy.

Look, Devin White's the kind of player I would like, right? Of course. Former high traffic, great athletic profile, proven production in the league, buying low but buying pedigree. I like that. What is a better reversal? Devin White turning into White Devon, or Bobby King turning into King Bobby?

You know, I was not prepped for that question. I have no insight. I guess I would rather be called King Bobby than White Devon, right? I don't know. You tell me. Yeah, I think King is kind of funny, yeah, but, like, you know, King is so highfalutant, but Bobby, you know, you don't think of a King Bobby. Yeah, but still, you're the king, right?

you're you're yeah that's that's that that's a sign of disparate though that's a sign of a body is a child or a you know that's a sign of respect also I've seen of respect I've met I've met people with the first name king king gun lab yeah I've never met someone staying away from that one um I've never met someone with their first name white yeah have you I'm trying to think I mean there are some names that are basically the same thing as white i know there's like a whitey you know it's true uh you know wady for whitey bulger right not that i know wady bolger nor witty for that matter but i do know king done left anyways i like how how i i made it i made a reference to nikobi dean being injured okay

and sack von being a half step ahead and you acted like i grinded this to show to a screeching hall yeah you ask me for my evaluation if it's better to to be White Devin or King Bobby, and I'm supposed to give you succinct 90 seconds on this, right? Like, I think that shows the differences here. It's so funny. How concerned you were making sure everybody knew that you don't know Weddie Bulger? Please, please. Don't get up to this.

I don't actually know Wendy Bulger, please. Well, I know sometimes you take things literally, so I want to. I want to be careful here. Bo is back, Shea says, yes. We got four days. We got two and a half days of like vacation bow. And then we got kind of like in between and now we got the full Bo experience. I mean, I'm still a vacation boat, man.

Okay. You know, water off a duck's back. No big deal. Okay. How about the rest of the line backing court? I mean, well, first of all, but before we move on, do you imagine that we're going to get like a rotation on a daily basis between the Kobe Dean and Zach Bond?

Do you think it's going to be one person and they're going to stick for a week or so? How do you think that Vic Fangio is going to run this? Yeah, I'm anticipating like a true competition at linebacker. So I don't know if it's, if it's going to be one off, one on, if it's going to be, you know, they have a schedule where they have two practices and then like a walk-through off day type thing, right? So it could be during, because we've said this in the past. Eagles have a green, yellow, red day, right? And that's like their cycle.

So during that cycle, during the two practices on, maybe you have one guy and then when you get back, it's another guy. But I don't think it's going to be someone takes every single snap there until the third preseason game. My guess is they go back and forth. I do expect Devin White to always be with the first team. Do you think day one will be Nacobie Dean or Zach Bonn? What's your guess? Good question, Poe. I'm guessing day one is going to be Nicopa D.

Me too. Yeah. But we'll see. Yeah. You know what they have in Argentina that I really appreciate? While we're on the subject? Yeah, well, you talk about the green, yellow, red. They have the traffic lights, the yellow before it, the light turns green, you know, from red to green, in addition to before the light turns from green to red, which I like.

I think we need that in America. Why is that? I think it's good heads up. Okay. Keeps the traffic moving. Are you, so a little, this is, this is. I don't know if this is a personality test or not. When you see the yellow light, do you slow down or do you speed up?

I try not to speed up, but I mean, it depends on the situation. Like, are you trying to make the light or are you trying to? Depends on the situation. It's not, it's never all or nothing or all or one or the other. Totally depends. Give me a situation. You're driving and there's yellow light. There's a baby in the middle of the road?

I would say I try to lean towards the conservative, but that doesn't always, that's not always the case. Also, if I know the light well and I know the length of the yellow, like that might play into things. It might surprise you. I'm more of a slow downer in that situation. My wife, she's more of the speed up. And she argues actually that I'm being less safe because by me slowing down, the cars behind me might be speed up people. and they want to like so you know they're they're going to get frustrated i have gotten some honks when i'm like stopping at at the yellow um i think the rubric that you should teach is is if you can

make the yellow without changing your speed at all without pushing without without doing anything then you should go through and if not then you should slow down okay yeah but i mean i mean there is some like physics involved there right you don't know like you're saying at the same Explain physics to me. Explain physics to you? What are we talking about? Did you not take physics in 19th grade? No, I don't understand what you're saying.

There's some physics involved. Go ahead. Acceleration, velocity. Those are words, yes. How do they play into what I was saying? Because you're saying the speed that you're going, right? At something like you're saying you're just keeping. Yeah, I don't just.

I mean, in theory, you should be trying to have a steady speed the entire time that you're driving, right? You want to be going at a smooth speed. I'm saying so you see the O-11. light. So by definition, you're supposed to have a reaction to the yellow light. So you're saying when you see the yellow light, you don't even, how do you know if you'll be able to make that yellow light at the speed? Well, that's the judgment. You make a determination based on the distance. Am I decelerating or am I accelerating? Not X, but. Well, in theory, it's not always, this is more in theory than in practice, but you should be, you shouldn't have to move your foot. If your foot is on the pedal at the same level, you don't need to be accelerating or decelerating. Okay. I'm still throwing off how you said there's physics involved. That's a very, am I wrong about physics? Like, that's literally what physics is. Sort of. I don't, it's not really, I don't know, whatever. Did you learn acceleration in physics? Did you learn acceleration in physics class? Well, yeah, but just because you're using vocabulary from the class doesn't mean that it was related to what I was talking about.

You're making a determination of the distance, okay? The distance that you're trying to get to is beyond, the yellow light. So what you're trying to determine is whether the speed that you are going, the speed you have will get you past the yellow light. But are you the kind of driver where you're, I mean, and I know the answer to this because I have rid in a car with you, but are you the kind of driver who is like you're stepping on the gas and then stepping on the gas like full go and like you're stop and start? Do I do that? I didn't think I do. You shouldn't be herky jerky. You should be. I didn't think it was herky jerky. I don't know. Well, you said you know the answer. You've been in the car. I mean, am I herky jerky jerky? I don't know if you're all the. You're all the. You shouldn't. I don't

if you're all the way, hirky-jurkey, but there's a little herk, there's a little jerk. Maybe the one time we were driving from Buffalo when we're doing a podcast in the car from Buffalo to Rochester. And I was driving in a rainstorm, right? Yeah. And I was driving and doing a podcast and getting made fun of and being, you know. So, yeah, maybe in that situation there was a little hirk and jerk. But I don't want that to be a drop. But I do think, I do, I know why I even ask.

you this question in the first place. I do think that in general, I try not to be herky jerky because it's bad for your brakes. Right? So you don't want to replace your brakes within now prematurely. So breaks are. Yeah. Breaks are expensive, man.

That's physics, baby. That's not physics actually. Break pads are not physics. But okay. Okay. All right. Back to the linebackers. Yes.

Thank you. Back to the line. The other big question here is the role for Jeremiah Trotter Jr., right? Yes. And I think if you look at the overall linebacker picture, it's underwhelming, no doubt, right? None of those guys, Devin White included, is guaranteed of giving you a level of, you know, competent play. If Jeremiah Trotter as a fifth round rookie can look the part, do you think there is a path for him to make an impact on defense early? than later?

Well, there's less resistance in front of him than, say, if he was a left tackle, right? Is it a yellow light or a green light for him? I mean, it's certainly not a red. I'm not anticipating Jeremiah Trotter Jr. playing early, but I think back, you know, the Eagles had the period of time there when they took some of these flyers at linebacker, and you see guys like T.J. Edwards and Alex Singleton emerge. the starting roles when they didn't go into the season as the starters. Point being, when you don't have someone who's like established or there's a strong financial

commitment or even there's a strong like draft pedigree, then you're able to kind of push those guys for playing time. So if, if Devin White or Ncobie Dean or Zach Bonn, if they struggle and Jeremiah Trotter shows promise, then yeah, Jeremiah Trotter could push his way, could accelerate into the lineup. Nice. I think I'm more optimistic about, you know, Devin White, but yeah, I'm certainly not rolling out. And then the other thing, too, is if, like, if Nicobo Dean gets banged up, which he's done, and Zach Bond isn't a good player, which is certainly plausible, right?

Then, yeah, Jeremy Trotter, well, I would think Orton Berks is the next guy up. Right. Because he has the experience, what Jeremiah Trotter, Jr. would be in the mix. I was talking to someone about this this week, and I'm not trying to give, what was the free agency term? We used opi optimist. Yeah.

I'm not trying to give the opi optimist. It's a low bar to clear here. But the linebackers going into camp this year are better, like reasonably better than the linebackers going in the camp last year. Probably? Because last year they created. Well, if you don't count, if you don't count the Cunningham Jack. Yeah, sure.

Because I think last year they were. wanted to do everything they could not to get anything in the way of Nicopi Dien being the guy. But I also think on paper last year, Nicopi Dean was higher thought of than he is right now. Right. So like the Nicopi Dean of July 2023 was better in our minds than the Nikobe Dean of right now. Because what the person was trying to counter to me was like are these guys they added like that much more promising than Nicholas Morrow last year? year. Plus last year they had Christian Ellis.

Plus last year they had Christian Ellis. That is true. But they didn't spend a draft pick on a backer last year. You know, Ben Van Zuman was the only like notable undrafted rookie that they signed to. So yeah, so there's reason to feel more confident about their linebackers. But I was in a different conversation where, well, this was, I was on a show yesterday where the question was like are they not? you know are they not valuing linebacker enough and i said i i don't mean to give like the eagles talking points here but this is my personal opinion on this is that what matters most is like

your your pass rush and your corners right and i'm and i don't have a problem with with worrying less about linebacker and to a degree safety but you have to be really good with that pass rush and really good at corner so if you're talking about what concerns me about the Eagles this year on defense. It's not their personnel at linebacker. It's the questions they have with the pass rush. Now, the last player that we need to talk about, and you touched on him very briefly there,

but you know, you follow the news these days. There's so much going on. And pretty much all they're talking about is Ben Van Sumeran. That palpable Ben Van Sumeruner does. Oh, I see what you did. Give us the, yeah, the Ben Van Sumeran, you know, stock price right now. What are your expectations?

Yeah, I don't think Ben Van Sumer is going to have any type of push to play linebacker this year. But I think Ben Van Van Sumer can be on the 53 based on his special team's prowess. Do you think it's like a head-to-head for a roster spot with him in Oren Berks? Good question. Maybe so, because Warren-Berick, you can also put on practice squad, right, and not guarantee the salary. Maybe so, sure. Look, it's hard for me right now sitting in the seat to, to, to, you know, to, you know, tell you what like the kickoff situation is going to be.

There's a great piece this week by Sean Syed on Sumer Sports where I hope I'm pronouncing Sumer Sports correctly, where he went through all the XFL kickoffs. And I'm trying to learn more about the kickoffs. There's a good piece by Ted Gwyn on the athletic where it was also about this strategy. But I want to see what type of body type is. is going to be valuable there. I would imagine a linebacker is important in that type of role. So I think Ben Van Van Zumer can make the team there,

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You know what I'm saying? Nothing like seeing Bo's face when he sees Jason Poe for the first time of the summer. That's exactly right. That is. So offensive line, obviously, a major factor here for the Eagles. Now, you and I talked earlier this week about. the Jason Kelsey, maybe we're undervaluing the effect that it's going to have on the field. If this offensive line goes from a top three offensive line to a top 10 offensive line,

that's a pretty significant downgrade, as good as they may still be. You know, Lane Johnson has some injury question marks. You've still got Jordan Mila and Landon Dickerson on the left side. But Cam Jurgens, there's no guarantee of what level of Jason Kelsey he's going to give you. And we don't know who the Red Guard is going to be yet. So I guess first, Red Guard. my expectation is it's going to be Tyler Steen not in a rotation. He's going to be the guy every day until it seems like he is not handling it

or a guy like Mackayette Bechtin is just too good to ignore. What about you? I agree with that sentiment. I think Tyler Steen is going to have every opportunity to win this job. And I think the deck is stacked in his favor. Yeah. Okay. I think that they want Tyler Steen to win the job.

That said, I think if it becomes clear that Mackay Beckton can play guard, that Mackay Beckton has talent at guard, then no matter if Tyler Steen looks like really good or not, I think they're at least going to be intrigued by the possibility of seeing Mackay Beckton there. So I don't see a situation where like Matt Hennessy is the Stefan Winsnewski, at least during training camp. Like I think things even being close to equal, it's going to be Tyler Steen. I think the only scenario where I see something different outside of injury, of course, is if, like, Mackay Beckton, they come back and Soutland and Siriani and Kellynne Moore and Howie Roseman and Kevin Petulow. They're watching film and they're just like, we can't take our eyes off this guy, right? And if they do that, then they might be compelled to look at Beckton in that role. But otherwise, I expect this to be Steen's job.

Yeah, I think it might be the kind of thing where like a week or two into camp, there's like a part of Howie Roseman that's sort of hoping that Tyler Stee, like, you know, stubs his toe and has to take a couple days off so that they can get a look at Macaibectin without, you know, without it being a big deal. Yeah, I would suggest that Tylerstein don't stub your toe, man, right? Because, well, I don't want to use a reference that I mistakenly used in the past about a broadcast situation. Oh, yes. Okay. I'll just say you don't want to be wallet like that, right?

Yeah. That's probably a better one. Sure. But to the original point here, I think you brought it up well in my time covering the Eagles. I've gone into training camps where they've had questions at one spot on the offensive line. I've never had gone in the training camps where they had questions at two spots on the offensive line. And not to say that, like I think Cam Juergens at the minimum is like a league is a replacement level center. Like I think it's year three, second round pick, started at guard last year, natural center, right?

Like you can expect that. But we've seen such outstanding play at center. And we've seen like good, I would say decent to good play at right guard over the past few years. I thought Isaac S. Malu was really good two years ago. I thought Cam Juergens was solid last year. The first half of the season, not in the second half of the season. But there have been times during the past, let's say, five, six years where they had a question. at left guard, right? You think you think back to 2017. They've had times when there's questions

at right guard, but they haven't had two positions where they've had questions at left tackle, right? But they haven't had two positions going into training camp where you say we need to see if they're getting this type of play from there. Yeah, and I'm sort of fascinated by the Cam Juergens situation because as Jason Kelsey becomes like one of the biggest stars in sports, all I are on Cam Juergens, you know, the corn-fed boy from Beatrice, Nebraska, this small town. It's an interesting mantle for him to have to grab. Absolutely. And like Jason Kelsey, he's never been more popular than he is right now, it seems like, right?

You know, I was on the Inquirer app this morning. And I think like in the Eagles tab, I think like four of the last six stories were about Jason Kelsey. And I'm like, he's not even on the team, right? but it's good business right you you you write about jason you talk about jason people are going to read and watch and listen um point being that this is like this is a shat like this is going to be something that looms throughout the year everything cam jurgens does is going to be compared to jason kansas right uh his first home game that he's playing jason celsey is going to be there as lane

johnson said the other day um you know uh jason kelsey has a locker he said he said this to Kay Adams on Fandall, I believe, right? Where he said Jason Kelsey has a locker in the coaches locker rooms. Jason has a very distinctive car. Like, it's one of those cars that you know it's Jason Kelsey's. And every time I've been at the facility this spring, I've seen that car there. And what's interesting is that in past years, like there's a player parking lot and then there's a parking lot where we are. So now Jason's in the general parking lot. So now Jason's in the general parking a lot. Like, he's not in a player. Gen Pop. He kind of, and I respect that about Jason.

Like, he respects the boundaries. Sort of. Sort of. But he look, I think he looks at it. He gets a free lifting, right? I mean, he probably gets a free lunch as well. He likes that lunch. He likes that lunch. Exactly, yeah. So, uh, this is a way of saying that the questions they, like, I, I feel

for for Cam Juergens, because this is going to be, everything's going to be, you know, what did you learn from Kelsey? Yeah. that you get the chance to talk to Kelsey. What's Kelsey telling you? Yeah. Right. And even his teammates are like, well, how does he do this compared to Kelsey?

Exactly. It's a weird spot to be in. Yeah. Okay. It's kind of like someone sitting in your seat, like trying to be through the replacement host for two weeks. Like that. That was daunting. I would not go that far.

That was quite daunting for me. I got to tell you, I was over prepared for every show because like I tried to keep the train moving. Well, Zach, if Cam Jergens can do a good as job as you did, the Eagles will be in great shape. Vacation Bo, that's a nice thing to say. Yeah, joyous at all. As far as the depth here, are you expecting Hennessy to be a center this summer? I don't know. I'm expecting him to be the game day backup center.

Sure. Yes. So he's just going to have to snap and keep. Probably. And so, yeah, I imagine that we will see that. But, I mean, that was a very interesting part of the spring that he took all his reps at Red Guard. And so I think that's part of why I don't fully believe in the Eagles professed confidence in Tyler Steen. But I do at some point he's going to have to take those reps.

Do you think he's definitely on the 53? I think if he can stay healthy, he is definitely on the 53. Okay. Yeah. Then obviously you've got, you know, Bechtin 2 has to prove that he can stay healthy. They have Fred Johnson on the outside as well. But Bechton's going to be on the team just based on the financial commitment. Like, yeah.

Sure. Sure. but he still has to, I mean, I'm just talking who's going to make this. Exactly. He has to prove it. He can stay healthy. You know, Trevor Keegan, I'm excited to get eyes on. Yeah.

Friend of the show. Friend of the show. Interesting that he only played left guard in the spring. I want to see if he's moving around at all. Obviously, my guy, Dylan McMahon, can't wait to see him. Demak. You know, making moves in the open field. And then, yeah, like, I am excited to see which of these guys on the third team defensive line.

It's going to give me a little spark. It's going to make it pop. I mean Danquo. from Howard, the undrafted rookie, the international player, Laikin Vakalahi, Darren Kinnard, who they signed to a futures deal,

Brett Toth, who has been around on the team, I believe, since the days of... 2019. No, 2019. Remember that well. Yeah.

I was so excited when they signed him. Yeah. Really? It was a great story. I was... Don't you remember? I was so excited when they signed him. I think I called you.

This was... I think I, I called you or text you and said, are you okay if I do a feature on Tooth? And you're like, yeah. Yeah, that's fine. I remember right away calling Jeff Monkin, the Army coach, leaving the practice field so I can speak to Jeff Monk and the Army coach. And I remember having a real good conversation with Brett Tov about, I mean, a lot's changed in our country since then. It's like small potatoes.

I shouldn't say small potatoes. It affects somebody's life quite a bit. bit but at the time there was a there was a big ruling about you know the uh about players part of his part of his marching orders where he had to say thank you to the president at the time however players players from military it wasn't his thing yeah but yeah i'm saying like it's just i don't want to say it's funny to think but it like that was this like like that was something that they were was that part of the creative heater 2019 yeah that you know i don't include that in the creative heater but that was i mean look for like um a week three training camp

story geez that was a good week three training camp story the week before that subs on that bad boy oh yeah the week before that was j ligands uh that summer also included nick foals coffee story um yeah you got raked over the coals for that one i came with a list and i was i was friend sellics real estate business oh my god i was like oh my god i was like Oh my God. I went into that summer, like, determined the show that I belong. Yeah, you wanted to walk into the media room and everybody was calling you King Zach. I want to go that far.

You're always good as your next story. Well, okay. It'll be tough to beat that Brett Tooth story, though. Real quick. Who has the best chance of being the Camp Crush here, Jason Poe? You keep asking that. You can't stack the deck for the Camp Crush. It's what the eyes see.

There's nobody. It's like in college looking at, you know, know. Go on. Julia has lost it. Go on. Finish your line of thought. In the early years of Facebook, you know, like you would see who is in the class.

Like you would just get, you would just get a sense of who's in your class, right? I guess you didn't do that. I'll raise my hand. I did do that. Wow. There are lots of versions of Zach that I appreciate and embrace, but Horny Zach is one of my favorites from a content perspective. That's not, it's not, I wouldn't say that. What do you mean, take that?

What do you mean? That's not, that's literally what you're talking about. That's not the adjective I would use, no. Because, well, just because we have different language usage doesn't make it inaccurate. Perhaps you just want to see if you have common friends. Perhaps I just want to see where, you know. Don't walk it back. No, all right.

Let's proceed, okay. I mean, I think that I think we can all agree that content-wise, HZ is as good as it gets. Please stop. Please stop. All right. Yeah. Are you expecting D.O. McMahon to make some noise this summer.

You liked him in the camp. Yeah. I mean, I liked his prospect profile a lot. I'm excited to see what he looks like. And then my other line question for you was last summer, was like the summer of Fred Johnson, right? He, yeah. Of course, as we all remember.

He had a real good training camp. He earned a contract extension. Yeah, they cut him so that they could sign him to the extension. Yeah. That was a big deal. Yep. Are you anticipating, uh, Fred Johnson, like, definitely being on the team?

Or do you think he has to... I don't think that he's guaranteed being on the team. No, I think he has to... I think it's probably a little bit related to Mackay Beckton if he is, in fact, the swing tackle. And then, you know, how Fred Johnson looks. Obviously, injuries will affect everything. What are you losing it on?

I should have said that about Facebook. That was... Yeah, sorry. Okay, let's go on. Okay. Anything else on the offensive line that's interesting to you? Well, I kind of defer to you with offensive line. I mean, I'll be watching seven on seven.

You'll be watching one-on-ones. Some of us care where, you know, football is won in the trenches. I think, like, we haven't talked about the top of the depth chart here at tackles. Yeah. I think Jordan Mila and Lana Dickerson are going to continue getting better. I mean, Landon in particular, Landon's going into year four now. They paid them to be one of the best guards in the league. I saw a write-up last week.

I think it was ESPN. I hope I'm crediting you correctly. But I said like all around, he might be the best guard in the league. We can, like Jordan Milott is at a point in his career where you almost kind of take for granted. You know, like the story, you kind of take that for granted. Like now you just value him purely as football player. I thought he had a really good year. Or I thought he had a good year last year.

And I think he can continue to improve. Lane is kind of at that stage of his career where you wonder if there is a drop off. I just think he's such a smart player. now, and he'll tell you this. Athletically, he might not be the same type of athlete that he was five years ago, but I heard him on Ryan Murillo's podcast two weeks ago, and he was kind of talking about what his training is like in the offseason focusing on flexibility and things of that nature,

and kind of seeing it does he need to work this offseason against power rushers? Does he need work against speed rushers? And so I just think he's so smart and so then and really knows how to play that position that he'll be fine. But with him, you just got to watch out for the health because if he misses time, it's going to be a question there. Yeah, and it's not like cornerback for offensive tackles where like all of a sudden you might just totally fall off a cliff. Like health-wise, potentially. But as long as Lane Johnson's healthy, even if he is not an all-pro caliber, he's still like the drop-off is not going to be in his level of play significant enough that it's like hurting the team.

Right. So as long as he's healthy, they will be good there. but we will see how much they need to dip into the reserves. I'm also curious about, I thought that the point that Brandon Legatten brought up on the show when he was on last month about like, what if Tyler Steen is just a tackle and he's not well suited to play guard, if that is a thing that maybe plays out. Good point.

I've told this in the past when Isaac St. Maloas was here, now he eventually morphed into a really productive guard. But early in his career, that was the discussion they were having is like, what is his best position? Just because someone's versatile doesn't mean that they're going to be good at all those positions in the NFL. Like if you're able to play, if they think you can play guard, but it's clearly he's a tackle. And that changes their thinking of him. Maybe. And him being like a good swing tackle would be a fine outcome for the Eagles.

I don't think it's your preferred outcome. But then you really need to have right guard figured out. yes exactly all right well that's a good rundown of the offensive line linebackers why don't we talk a little bit of a rank week and if if you were the kind of person who needed to insert an ad into this episode after the fact now it probably would probably be good time to do so boom okay um if you're that type of person yeah if you're the kind of person that might be that might be helpful okay uh let's talk rank week yes exactly the story out on all p hly dot com now the top 25 games in Philadelphia since 1980, but let's narrow our scope to the Eagles and the games that you and I have covered.

So what we wanted to do was top five games that you and I have covered, most memorable. And to change the parameters a little bit, you can't do more than one game per season. Which is, I feel like 2017 would otherwise be carrying a lot of weight. Yes. And you have a longer scope here because you were in the organization in? 09. But I wasn't here in 15 and 16. Yeah, but those were like not exhilarating years for the Eagles there, unless you're really into that Baltimore game. And yeah, although I do actually have a 2015 game on this list. It lives in infamy. I do want to say real quick before we get into this, yeah, you can check out the top 25 for all sports. It's since 1980. It was a fun, interesting list to put together. Basically what happened was each. Now, I'll give a shout out to the union if they're not a part of this, but when I say for the four major teams, I should say five major teams, but, you know, the major, the sports we know as like the major professional sports, Eagle Sixers, Philies, Flyers. Each, each coverage group kind of submitted 10 games, and then Anthony Gargana decided and kind of put together a list there.

So did you do this on your own? Because I was, I was on vacation. Yeah, I didn't want to bother you in Brazil. Yeah, it's okay. I appreciate that. But I'm curious because I don't agree with all of the choices. Sure. Well, and then there were some too. Like, I got to tell you. I'm 38. I was born in 1986. I don't know the 80s as well. I know some, but like Anthony put something on there that you wrote about that that's on the top 25. It was a strike game. And well, just just post-strike. Yeah. I'm sorry, post-strike. That was not on my initial list, right? And so, so, so, that's what made kind of this list interesting is you're looking at four decades you're looking at four teams and then there's also different ways you weigh it some people emphasize the the significance of the game some people emphasize or prioritize i should say like the how spectacular the moment was right you think about the snowball for instance that was a spectacular day

so that's what made this less fun and so you can check that out on all phtly.com and uh and chris has done an awesome job on on social where you can actually see video of a lot of these as well. All right. So, uh, you want to go top to bottom or or back to front? So starting at one or starting at five? Let's, let's start at five. Okay. I mean, I imagine we're both going to have the same number one. Yes, exactly. Yep. Um, what's your number five? Go ahead. So I frame this as like most memorable, not the best game, but most memorable. Okay. So this is the, the only loss that's on here for me. Okay.

And that is, uh, is, is, is 2000 and 15, Eagles lose to the lions on Thanksgiving. Um, and I put that. Interesting. Yeah. Well, because that's, that's one of those like when you say, remember when games. Like, yeah. Because that game was the first time you were like, wow, chip could be fired here. Um, it was just an embarrassing performance by the Eagles.

It was the low point. of that season and it kind of you know I recall being in the Ford Field Press Conference afterwards and you know when Jeff McLean asked about asked Chip what the problem was and Chip didn't have the answer he said is it you right um like yeah of course I I remember that and so I also I didn't want to just have like monumental wins on here um so mine was not the bet because it clearly was not the best game not the best played game and not a consequential game like from the significance of the standings. But when I think of my time covering the team

and you say what are the most mentally memorable games, I'll always remember that 2015 game more so than any other. This is a beat writer's perspective on a fan's perspective. Totally reasonable. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Okay. Yeah, like I have, I would, it's not in my top five, but like of the first Siriani season,

I think like the most memorable game for me is probably the Raiders game. Like when they just got, they got torched. And then, you know, Fletcher comes. sort of throws Jonathan Gannon under the bus in the post game press conference. To me, that was like the snapshot game from that season. I just remember being in Vegas and how much fun that was. In the middle of COVID,

just parading about, go make me some money. You can be outside. That's a great thing. Walk outside. I mean, literally nobody spends time outside in Vegas. I did. I took a nice walk on the strip. Number five for me.

The double doink, the playoff victory over the Chicago Bears in the 2018 season. I mean, not much to say about the game. I mean, that Vic Van Joe defense, it was the best defense in the league. Can they move the ball? You got the fourth down touchdown to Golden Tate. And then obviously Cody Parky has the double doink as the game ends. And I remember going to look at the smudge marks on the field goal that you could see where the ball hit both times. What an intrepid reporter you are.

That is awesome. I remember that game well because I had to rush home. Ah. Yeah, I did Chicago that morning, Chicago that night, because Emily was nine months pregnant. And I want that. Fortunately, Sloan waited until Wednesday. So I was okay. But three days later.

Fantastic. Yep. All right. What's your number four? Number four, 2018. I'm going London. Okay? Really?

Yeah. Okay. So this is more of a personal. I thought that's what you want. That's okay. That's fine. You said your most memorable games on the beat. Yeah, that's fine.

Go ahead. Am I wrong? It's fine, go ahead. You can go on all pHly.com. Yeah, but that's what I wanted to, wanted to debate the, the ranking. It's fine. Go ahead.

All right, sorry. The case of both does not care what you do. I misinterpreted the assignment. Okay. Going to London was a real, seeing a game at Wembley, I was not brought the tears, but it was really neat.

The cool thing about soccer press boxes, I guess, is that like you're closer to the field. You're out. you're outdoors. I just thought it was so cool being in in London. Josh Adams running wild. Jordan Matthews.

I remember my flight I connected in Boston and my flight to Boston writing a Jordan Matthews story. Didn't have internet. It was just kind of going based on my notes. It was. Kelsey missed a snap because it got cleted in the junk. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

And it was just, it was real cool for me to be in London. I don't really have much context of London otherwise. So my understanding on London is football. It's a very good football. Okay. For me, this one, the number four is tough because there's the two games from Chip's first season. Okay.

There's the first game, the debut, and then there's the Snow Bowl. I would probably put the Snow Bowl with a slight edge here for the spot. But in the story on the website, there is some disagreement between you and I about which of the Eagles games at FedEx Field is more memorable. You think that the Michael Vick six touchdown game when he throws the touchdown pass to Deshaun Jackson on the first play of the game is more memorable than the Chip Kelly debut. I disagree with that. Yeah, I disagree with you there. I mean, the chip debut, you don't have to convince me.

That was extraordinarily memorable. I think the line I use is the revolution is being televised, right? But I think to that Michael Vick game, given the way he played, the significance of the moment, Like that was Michael Vick's back game, right? Michael Vick was such a polarizing figure. The player on the other team, the starting quarterback on the other team is Donovan McNabb. Donovan McNabb signed a contract extension in Washington. That day, it leaks right before the game.

I literally forgot that Donovan was the quarterback of that game. Okay, yeah. Donovan, how unmemorable that was. I got to tell you, there's a chapter in a book coming out on September 24th, it's called The Franchise about that game. Um, yeah, I look at that game as like from, it was, it was national TV and Michael, like, I look at Michael Vick. I do remember now Donovan's agent gave a press, like an impromptuant to press conference in the press box. Yeah.

Yeah. And Donovan had beaten the Eagles, what, two weeks earlier, three weeks earlier. I was not covering the team then. So that that is not on my list. I was covering the Giants. I remember I was watching that at, uh, at three sheets in the West Village with a few friends of Julia's. Um, Julie has no idea if she was there or not. Joy, no, Joy was not there.

I, I would remember Joy was there. Joy was not there. I don't believe Joy was living in New York at the time. Uh, yeah, 2010, Joy was not living in New York, right? Yeah. You see. I know, right? Well, I know you know, but I'm telling you she doesn't know.

Yes. Uh, boy, Joy, we know all the people I watched the game with. Okay. I'm, yeah, I'm curious what the, what the commenters think, which of those two games is more memorable to you? the chip one was like, oh my God, look what we have. Like the first game of the of the chip era, like as you said, the revolution. Like we have, we are going to take the league by storm.

And they come out in that absolute breakneck pace, 53 plays in the first half. It was like, how is the league going to solve this? It felt like something completely new. I don't, I don't think you can play quarterback better than Michael Vick played that night. I mean, I remember two plays from that game. I remember the first touchdown to Deshaun. remember Albert Haynesworth lying down. You got to read this book coming out on September 24th then.

Yeah, it makes me feel good that a bunch of minions are actually going on with my side here because we're typically. Yeah, that's good. That's interesting. Yeah, I'm surprised by that. Okay. Number two for, oh, no, number three for you. Go ahead.

Number three for me, I'm going to Snowball. Okay. And Snowball is one of those games that you always look back and like remember what it looked like, what it felt. like it was it was really just a fascinating before the game and I actually think

because I wrote about this in the franchise too I'm sorry to keep bringing it up but you did an oral history on phlegals.com that I was looking at it as a resource and that it was really fascinating to look back and I remember

it did not snow before the game like it you had just barely started exactly and they weren't expecting that it wasn't supposed to be so much that type snow and then a little kind of a BLG was in the seat before i remember in the parking lot after

after the game um another reporter his uh wedding ring fell off in the snow and everyone's frantically looking and brandon leagalton um eagle eye that he is like toys that's right there he found it nice yeah so shout out the BLG whose ring i don't vividly remember i mean there's two options here but I don't want to say who it was. Okay. But yeah, both the option was a columnist, but I don't want to get the columnist wrong. Okay.

Okay. Yes. Fair enough. Yeah, the Snowball is a good one. For me, number three is the miracle of the New Metalands, the Deshaun Jackson's punt in return. You weren't covering the team at the time. I was covering the Giants at the time.

Well, there you go. That one for me, from that era, is absolutely the most memorable game. Yeah. I got to say, from the Giants perspective, like Matt Dodge, someone who I got to know real well that year. Rookie Punter made the team in training camp. But I really handled that in a classy way.

I got to say that. Pretty unique player as well. Yeah, I was assigned to. And he was mature the way that he handled it. Yes, yeah. I wrote the Matt Dodge story after the game, but I remember just how incredulous Tom Coughlin was. Yeah, was it classy how Tom Coughlin threw him under the bus?

No, Tom was besides himself. But, yeah, I mean, the, the spike of his folder or whatever it was was fantastic. But that, because the Giants were, the Giants were really good that year. And I thought the Giants were going to make some noise. And that loss, like, really put them in a tailspin. Yeah, and it made the Eagles look like Super Bowl contenders. And then the next game against Minnesota in the Joe Webb game, right? That's right.

Yes. There you go. Speaking of snow. Oh, so what's your number three? Or you gave me a number three. I just gave you this number two for me. This is a loss. This is the 2022, 22, 23 Super Bowl.

The Jalen Hertz, unbelievable performance. I mean, we don't need to talk about the game too much, but that's number two for me. Yeah, so my number two, I was debating between that and the NFC championship game. I went with the NFC championship game. So I was writing about the body bag game this week for, you know, for all-PHLY.com.

and it's interesting, like, Washington had two quarterbacks knocked out that game, right? Yes. San Francisco is like, you could say this was like a modern-day body bag game. I said that with Anthony this morning. Okay, yeah. I got to go back and watch that. And I just remember well seeing Hassan Reddick rushing around the edge. And, yeah, but I probably need to go to the Super Bowl more because it is a Super Bowl.

And they're going against Andy. And it was a great game. It was a great game. Yeah, I mean. It was a great game. And I got to spend quality time with you in Arizona. There you go. Paul McCartney saw you the night before, which is real cool.

Yeah. And you were searching for a Waymo, but you couldn't find one until many years later. There was no Waymo. There was no way. There was no. It would have been great if there was Waymo. We wouldn't have been sitting in the parking lot. Weima would have just found its way.

But you got to see Paul McCartney. So that was cool. Or Paul McCartney got to see you. So that's the best podcast host I've heard. Sure. Yeah. Okay. And the number one, we both have to support.

Well, oh, you have the Super Bowl. Eagle, 2017. Yes. Yeah, what do you have? I don't know. I would like to make a joke about, you know, Eldra Buckley-Carrie or something. But yes, of course, the Super Bowl. I mean, what could possibly be more memorable than the first Eagles Super Bowl championship?

What's your least memorable game? Like, I kind of tell you, Zach, I am still searching for the answer to the movie that I watched on the plane home. Oh, really? And I cannot figure it out. I have been, like, I went on the Delta list of their movies. You don't remember the name of the movie. I can't remember anything about it. If I could just remember one thing about it, I would know.

Were you taking sleeping medication or anything? I mean, I had a couple glasses of wine, but I'm trying to sleep on the plane home. That's just the day that ends in wine, right? All right. But, no, I, uh, it's just a, it's just a hole in my memory. I cannot, I cannot figure out. And it's driving me nuts. Um, okay.

All right. So, yeah, I don't, I mean, the least memorable game, I wouldn't remember it. Well, because I, well, no, I do this thing where, like, I can tell you something about every game that I've ever covered. And I feel confident. I can do that even from those early years. The one thing, and I've said this on the air, is like, 2020 is such a blur to me. Probably because I wasn't at the game, right? But also, I mean, I mean, not the matter.

Yeah, it seemed like they were just. There were so many more things going on and just, yeah, there was just, it was, especially like in that period when, when they were bad and they couldn't get it figured out, it was just, it just seemed inconsequential. I could probably remember like four games from that season. I mean, I can remember some of those games, but that, that's, that's, that's game. Give me a game from a different season and see if I can give you an answer. From a different season.

Okay. Do you remember, so let's go since you came back on the beat. I won't test your memory from early on. Do you remember 2018 against the Colts? 2018 against the Colts. Home game? Yes. 18 against the Colts.

Huh. Is that? No, that was the Lions. No, I don't remember anything. It was Frank Wright coming. back to Philly. Andrew Lund got stopped. Here's what I remember is Frank Reich sent pastries. Yeah, sent canoes.

Termine brothers canoes. Yeah, that was... And there was a grammar error in the note. Of course you'd recall that. That's what I remember. Okay. Let's see. Do you remember 2019 against the bills? Yeah, a terrible weather game.

Josh Allen didn't play very well. Eagles won and Kyle Lowry was in attendance after the game went to the locker room. Good job. And that's when we drove back to Rochester. Yes. Do you remember who was on our flight? Or who was in the airport in Rochester.

Biz Marquis. The second time I'd seen him in the USA Precheck. Okay. And then you weren't on the beat in 2016. I won't jog your memory about the Oyer ones unless you want a 14 or 15. If you want to. All right. I'll give you 2014 against the, let's go 2014 against the, let's go 2014 against the Jaguars.

you should know this it's the home opener oh was the home opener yeah I don't remember they started off real slow and then uh

sprawls had a big you know sprawls scored a touchdown and they came back to win nothing nothing okay nothing there okay

like the movie uh 2013 and I'm not can give you any division games because you might conflate them um so let's go with

2013 against the Cardinals. 2013 against the Cardinals? Yeah. Home or way? Home? 2014 was on the road against the Cardinals. 2013 was home. Home?

Is this Kevin Cobb? This was late in the year. No, this was, I believe. Is this when Hollywood Brown, or no, when John Brown scores the touchdown? That was, that was 2014 on the road. 14 on the road, okay. Because that was when Jeremy Macklin went over. That's right.

I was hosting the show for that game. Yeah. 13 at home. I could be wrong here. Maybe I'm like in 13 and 15? I think this was, this actually might have been 15. I'm sorry, David Johnson had a big run. David Johnson ran all over them.

It might have been 15. Nothing there for me. Okay. Sorry. All right. Look, we did not do Tick Zach Boe today. Oh, okay. But are you watching presumed innocent?

No. Oh, you got to watch presumed innocent. Are you, Julia? Are you got to watch presumed innocent? Why? And is anyone in the chat watching? Why do we have to watch it? Well, you don't have to.

It's just, it's a gripping show. me to watch It's the best show on television right now. I watch shows during the summer. You're grip, you know. What's the hook? Well, have you seen the movie? No.

Okay. So good thing you haven't seen the movie. But I imagine David Kelly, David E. Kelly, the writer, has some twist from the movie. I hope. It was a great movie in the 90s with Harrison Ford. Yeah. But I don't want to give away the premise, but I'm sure, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's a law thrower, a crime law thrower.

It's great. I'm sorry to say that you have not convinced me yet. Well, because I don't want to give away. Should I give away the, but I don't care. How did you convince me? It's the first episode, okay?

Should I tell, no, now there are seven episodes in. The finale comes out Wednesday. It's good. You think it's good. It's really good. I don't want to say what the hook is of the show because that would give away the first episode.

Okay. Right? But it's, it's good. Well, I talked about this last week. week, Jake Joan Hall, not Jack John Hall, Jake Joan Hall, is the main actor in it.

Oh, he's good. Yeah, he is good. He's good. What do you think of with Jake Joanaw? What movie comes to mind? What movie comes to mind? Zodiac. No, never seen it.

Okay. Is that wrong? He's not, is he in Zodiac? Mike in Flint? He is, right? Yeah. What's the one where he's a, like a TMZ guy? a TMZ guy

I don't know that one He's good in that one Also in the John Mullaney Sack Lunch Bunch. Okay What comes to mind for you? Jake Gyllenall The pharmaceutical

salesman Loving other drugs With Anne Hathaway Yeah So Okay Is presumed innocent better or worse Than that Jonah Hill

Romcom you recommended Oh it's better The Jonah Hill romcom is just The Jonah Hill Romcom was just mindless watching. This, you're like, you can, you know, if family has our phone out there in the show, I'm like, let's get off Instagram right now. We're watching.

Nightcrawler is the movie that I was thinking of. Yeah. Is anyone in the chat watching, presumed innocent right now? You have 30 seconds before we move on. I'm surprised. I mean, Bill Simmons is watching it. You get a whole podcast.

I think Mikey Mitz is right. P.H.I. Eagles is the best show on television. Oh, I appreciate that. Thank you. We're digital. But yeah, you can watch it on your TV. Wow. He just rebuffed your compliment.

But, yeah, but actually we got exciting things coming up with PHOE, with PHY Eagles and PHY overall that we're excited to share soon. Well, I think we can share this now. We're going to be moving to 2 o'clock. Oh, that, okay. I was thinking of something else, but yeah, 2 o'clock's good. Camp starts next week and in anticipation of that, we're moving. We're moving from noon to 2.

No more high noon. Put the pistols away. Yeah, so, hold on, I'm just messaging Julia right now. She's right there. She could talk to it. Yeah, I don't want to say it in case I can't say it. Joey's reading this now. This is this really reference.

Yeah, okay, yeah. That's why I didn't say. If I said it out loud, that would be giving it away. I don't even know what you're. Oh, yeah, no, I can't say that. Okay. But like, obviously you can't say that. Why would you even think you could say that?

So that's a movie. Yeah, but we are moving to 2 o'clock on Tuesday. Oh, I'm sorry, on Monday, right? Sorry. Uh-oh. I'm on. We broke him. On Monday.

Excited about this because we'll come off, we'll come fresh off. You know, practice most days will be around 10 o'clock. They'll be wrapping up practice around 11, 30, 12. Bow and I will be talking to the players, the coaches, right? After practice, we'll hop right on 95, get over here, fresh off the practice field. You'll still smell my sunscreen. And we will be doing shows Monday to Friday during camp. And like you said, and like you said yesterday, we will be doing, you know, if updates warn it on YouTube or on social from the weekend practices,

and I will have something on all p.h.com. Also, like what was saying, we will keep 2 o'clock through the season because that's the plan. Yeah, because this will allow us to, you know, Bo and I will be at Noviour and we'll be in the locker room and then we'll come over here fresh off the locker room. And some days, maybe I'll be chiming in from NovaCare, but we will be a consistent time because I know last year, we were figuring a lot of things out last year, but Monday was at this time, Tuesday was that time, Wednesday was that time. So now you'll know 2 o'clock. And it's a great time because, I mean, who doesn't like that? two o'clock it's nights it's what i like about two is okay i was talking about this last two is no i was talking about this last night two is like you know if you leave work girl you're not leaving

at two you're leaving at like you know maybe three 30 four o'clock right um but you typically you're not on your lunch break at two o'clock maybe it's a think it could be a late lunch break but two o'clock you you might be plopped at your desk right um you uh you can get a lot done in the morning like I'll get a lot more writing done in the in the in the mornings here. So I'm looking forward to two o'clock. You like a you like a two, Julia? That seems like a very lukewarm endorsement. That's like saying how was that dinner in Hoboken?

Yeah. How was the movie on the plane? Yeah. Still trying to figure it out. Okay. All right. That'll do it for this episode of the PHLY Eagles podcast. Thanks to everybody for watching and joining all week.

Back next week, the click. Lickety clack of training camp is just around the corner. We will be with you starting at 2 o'clock on Monday all the way through the end of the season. And beyond that, too. So for HZ, I'm Bo Wolfe. And for Julia as well, we thank you for watching and listening and hanging out with us. We will talk to you on Monday. And as always, we love you.