PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | Will Philadelphia Eagles RB Saquon Barkley make the New York Giants regret letting him leave in free agency?

Episode Date: July 5, 2024

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Good afternoon and welcome to a Friday edition of the PHLY Eagle Show. I was pining to get back. I missed three shows, had separation and anxiety. Finally, we back in this seat, Zach Berman here with Rich Hoffman for July 5th show. It is a Friday, so we're doing Hicks, Zach Bo, Rich Zach Bo, Rich Zach Toe. However, we want to phrase it for this Friday, but there's going to be some fun topics to discuss. Rich, great to see you on the other side of the screen. ZB, it's great to see you as well.

I think we need to address it first. You got some son, man. Yeah, I was on vacation with my family. It wasn't much R&R, but it was awesome. I was at a water park with my kids and did about hours upon hours. I can't even tell you how many hours of slides that I did waiting in line. had to bring a raft up stairs like multiple times. It was actually a good workout.

And in between, I had my AirPods in and my wife saying, what are you listening to? And I'm saying I'm listening to Bo and Fran. And I'm listening to Bo and BLG. And I'm listening to Bo and Rich. So being kind of the taking the pride in the show, I was a little envious of some of the topics. and I did a lot of, you know, I spent a lot of time at night taking notes of how I can improve on the show in the next few weeks and months. And so hopefully that that comes across here. So your kids love a water park?

My kids love a water park. I love to water park. Perhaps a little too much. Are you more water park or amusement park? So I think I'm more water park. I'm the weird person that's more water park. I actually, as somebody who likes going on all the rides where they flip you up and down, the problem I have found with amusement parks is that I get busy after three or four of those.

And it's not that I don't enjoy those rides while I'm doing them. It's just like the idea of, you know, rolling off 10 of those in a row is too much for me. I'm not going to feel great after that. A water park? I don't know. I used to love that during a hot kind of summer day. You know, it's funny. it's not even a great water park,

but one that was near where my family would vacation, the one in Ocean City on the boardwalk. There's only like six rides. I'm sure the one that you went to was much bigger and better and had more variety, but I used to go to that Ocean City one all the time, and I was like, these six rides are all I need. It's great.

I probably saw you there at that Ocean City one growing up because I frequented there, enjoy the water park. My issue is I, I don't love the lines, you know, the slide, because you're, you're in the slide for about, like, what, 10, 15, 20 seconds, right? You can be in a line for like 10, 15, 20 minutes just to get up there. But it is refreshing on the hot day. I'm doing a Hershey Park in, well, actually next weekend.

So a week from tomorrow. And I'll have a good kind of A, B comparison between the water park at this age and the amusement park. Park at this age. So the Monday show thereafter, I'll have a better idea. If I'm more amusement park or water park. But right now I'm leaning toward Waterpark. Might be recency biased, though. Fair enough.

Yeah, no, I would pick Waterpark for sure. But that sounds like fun, man. I'm happy you had a good time. I did not see Saquan Parkley at the water park. But Saquan Parkley is going to be a big topic of discussion in today's grid. Of course, if you saw Hard Docks, the off-season edition, the Giants edition, as Bo and Rich spoke about on Wednesday's show, they talked about Joe Shane and John Mara and kind of outlined some of the Sequin discussion,

but Sequin was a big talking point there. So as a reminder, I imagine if you're watching now, you're a loyal viewer, loyal listener, but those who are new to it, we have three topics, Eagles, NFL, miscellaneous, and for each of those topics, three questions. Would you rather the, then there is convince me and there is predict the future. So Rich, it's up to you each way for where we will start. But I can tell the audience that the Eagles questions are Sequin Heavy. Let's do it.

Let's start there then. Let's do convince me Eagles. Convince me Eagles. Okay. Here you go. Is there more juice to the Sequin Barclay versus New York Giants games rivalry after Hard Knocks? Is this manufactured or is there more juice? And kind of the peg for this is A.J. Brown had a tweet that he actually has deleted since then.

But this was on July 3rd where he said, quote, the Seekwan video fired me up and it wasn't even about me. I'm going to do everything in my power to make sure you get, Orr's fam. So I haven't spoken to AJ about this. I imagine the video he's referring to is kind of the social clips that HBO has put out of Joe Shane and the Giants front office talking about their valuation of Sequant. Perhaps it was Joe Shane talking to Frank Gore about how running backs kind of go downhill at 27. But basically it was pretty clear in that video that Joe Shane was not interested in bringing Seekwon back and that the Giants had a valuation of Seekwon that was certainly less than the Eagles valuation. I mean, at one point there, they even said,

who's going to pay Seekwon this, right? And one of the Giants executive said, well, anyone who has money. And then a counter question was, is Sequin that much better than the other running backs out there? There's a lot of backs out there. So that's kind of the context here. Is there more juice to this rivalry following this. footage that we don't typically get to see. I think so. I think there's, at least in the online corners that we, we hang around in sometimes. There are certainly more meme potential and things like when Joe, when Joe Shane talked about

making, what did he do the air quotes, the insulting offer. Yes. To Sequin and talking about talking about how stressful it was and oh, how terrible it was. Years off his life negotiating and. and putting Seiquan on the franchise tag, poor Joe Shane. So if he starts killing it for the Eagles and the Giants struggle, I'm sure those scenes will be saved by Eagles fans and brought back the life. And it's like you said too,

I thought it was pretty good, like as far as behind the scenes access goes. Like I imagine the Giants had, if not final cut, like a decent say and what got used there. but like I thought as far as a storytelling idea, the idea that they were going to go cheaper at the position. And by the way, they didn't go that cheap at the position was it was like well laid out though,

I thought in terms of like here's what we're thinking and and here's how we're going to go about this. I did get a kick out of John Mara who was like, well, I guess we have to draft a guy in the middle rounds then, right? Like, you know, like he was he was not having a complete. lack of investment at the running back position. The man, the man wants him some running backs.

But yeah, I definitely think this is going to add more juice. And even if it's just like something that pumps Sequin up and, you know, the idea that, oh, man, they disrespected me after all the things I did for them. Yeah, I definitely think it'll add a little more juice at least.

Yeah, Sequan's been fairly outspoken that like the Giants didn't even give him an offer, right? That you, you can't turn your back on a team. that doesn't offer to keep you. So perhaps, and I imagine in coming episodes, we'll learn more,

but it certainly seemed like the giants were saying they could give this, in air quote, $7 million offer that would insult him. Yeah, he got twice that, right? Or he got, you know, $13 million a year, thereabouts, right? So I can certainly understand that, that the giants did not seem very interested in keeping them at a high rate,

and the show illustrated that as much. Now, part of this question, I want to ask you, Bo doesn't like signing former cowboys. He says it hasn't turned out well, right? Certainly the DeMarco Murray thing did not turn out well. Orlando Scandric, bad. Alamo, Scandric did not turn out well. Even if you go back, Chris Boniol, the kicker, did not turn out well. So I can see that.

Now, the Giants rivalry, and I actually think Eagles' Giants rivalry is more underrated than it kind of gets credit for because there is this cross-section of Eagles and Giants fans, especially in South Jersey, right? Nick Siriani spoke about him. Nick Siriani is South Jersey resident. He made that joke when he sees these Giants fans out. He kind of gives it back to them. We got your best player.

Now Dexter Lawrence is their best player. But the point is such. Like, Sequin Barkley was the face of the Giants, really, for the past five, six years. Now he's with the Eagles. Do you have that same type of reservation signing a former giant or do you think it's kind of isolated to the cowboys? Well, I don't even know if it's isolated to the cowboy.

I think that's a funny thing that Bo says. No, I have no problem with them signing a former giant. I do think you're right, though, that the rivalry gets underplayed a little bit. I'll give you two examples. My mom, diehard Eagles fan. And her big thing, her whole life has been, you know, everybody hates the cowboys the most. And she's certainly no fan of the Cowboys. The Giants are the team.

that she has disliked for a long time. And it's funny, I got a bunch of emails when I did in the newsletter a few months ago, like your least favorite teams. And I asked people to just email in, like, why do you sportate this specific team versus another one? And I got a lot of like the New York Giants are my least favorite team. I think it's probably died down in recent years because the Eagles have just owned them to a pretty insane degree over the past decade or so.

but it's I understand it too. And the other thing I was thinking of Zach was when I was in college, I went to Fordham in New York. So a bunch of my friends are Giants fans, you know, Jets fans, some Patriots fans too from up in New England, watching them win their second Super Bowl in four years with what I would describe as not a good team, like not a an all-time Super Bowl team. Like when they won their Super Bowls, they were, you know,

the fourth seed, the sixth seed, whatever they were. when the Eagles make the Super Bowl, they're the best team the entire year, the last two times, right? Like, it's not a mistake. They kind of show it from September on. That was absolutely brutal

in watching those people celebrate. So maybe this reignites the rivalry a little bit, although the one thing I will say is like, I think it's going to take them a couple years to be good again. So, but I have, to answer your question, I kind of,

I got off, up track there. No, no problem with, with signing former giants. Yeah, I think you raise a good point. You know, you and I are a similar age demographic. And when we were growing up, the Cowboys were the best team, right?

I mean, the Cowboys were having that run of Super Bowls when we kind of started to get into football. So that could kind of color it for a generation of fans. Certainly the Cowboys have like that Lakers, Yankees, Duke. Label to them where. Benwagon. Exactly. But, yeah, I always thought the Eagles Giants rivalry because I don't know Dallas well enough. Like I used to work.

I used to cover the Giants, right? And so I lived in that area. I went to Syracuse, so not Fordham, but Syracuse is full of Giants, Jets. Sure. And I don't know what it's like in Dallas, but I don't know if in Dallas there's that hatred toward the Eagles that Eagles fans have toward the Cowboys. Now, I think the Giants' Eagles thing, like if you talk to Giants fans, they hate the Eagles, right? It's a similar type of thing. And so I think the Giants, Eagles rivalry might not have the same type of like national buzz, if you will.

But I think locally it's kind of underrated. You always hear Dallas sucks, Dallas sucks, right? I kind of think that the Eagles Giants won because of the geography of it and because of some of these great games that they had, right, that the Sean Jackson returns, you know, the original miracle at the Meadowlands. there's probably more to that rivalry than it gets credit for. Well, and it's like when the Giants were better run to, right? In the 2000s, like they were not a perfect franchise, but they had an identity, right? They had all of these pass rushers,

and that's the way Jerry Reese wanted to build the team. So, and obviously they were doing a lot better than now. One other thing that cracked me up from the Hard Knocks show, I love the scene where I believe it was Joe Shane, who was like, look, we're not paying a quarterback $40 million to hand off to a running back who makes $12 million. And I started laughing. And I was thinking, hey, Joe, what about a $50 million quarterback handing off to a $12 million running back? Ever think about that?

Yeah, I think it's like two separate arguments, right? And I think if you're trying to rationalize the price that you pay, Daniel Jones, I kind of think it's odd where like you're saying, Daniel Jones never really had a chance behind that offensive line, whereas Sequin Barkley was running behind that same offensive line. So, yeah, I, I, um, look, I, I, I know you and Bo got into it or, or really got the Joe Shane discussion. I, I wasn't that impressed with some of the Giants front office discussions there that, that, that came across there.

There was a point, and we don't have to belabor this, but there was, when they were talking about the, the other players on the market. And Josh Jacobs, his name came up. And the question was, didn't he lead the league in rushing a few years ago? That's like, that's how you would, that's someone my seven-year-old son would say if I brought up Josh Jacobs. That's, you know, I was texting with someone about this the other day. It's like if you're making small talk with like a casual football fan and you bring up Josh Jacobs. Like that's what they would, you don't expect the GM of a team that's like, hey, didn't this guy lead the league in rushing?

Like, like, give me the basic, the basic bio of Josh Jacobs here. I would expect it to be a little bit more than didn't this guy lead the league in rushing a few years ago? Of course, there's probably more nuanced to this discussion, but I always, I found that funny. And one other quick Saquan thing here, just to kind of tie into the original conversation, where I was, there was a water slide called Cyclone Rush, okay? but my son, he doesn't know what cyclones are, but he knows what Seekwon. Who knows who Sequin is? He kept saying Sequin Rush. And I didn't understand what he would say.

He said, Dad, can we go on Sequin Rush? Can we go on Sequin Rush? And I was like, what are you talking about? And I'm like, oh, Cyclone Rush. So the Sequin name now is very much in the vernacular of Philadelphia kids, similar to probably what like Emmett Smith was years ago when we were growing up. definitely and by the way that that's great from read but i also i i'd love to take that the giants front office came across as casuals it's like uh you know did he lead the league in rushing it was like

yeah he was on my fantasy team last year exactly yes yes yeah like that's that's the one sentence bio didn't this guy lead the league in rushing um all right we'll have plenty of more sayquan talk here so so uh next next one to go you choose you can go eagles NFL uh or miscellaneous year Let's do, hmm, let's do convince me miscellaneous. Convince me miscellaneous. Okay. So this one might be a personal pet peeve of mine and being what's like the xenophobic expression for a city. Like are you like am I, am I too?

I just mean like I'm so focused on Philadelphia, right? So I don't know if I phrase that correctly. Probably not. Yeah, no, no, I'll take that back. Not, I'm hyper focused on, on Philadelphia. I'll put it that way, okay? Okay. But convince me, shouldn't the Phillies be home on July 4th or July 4th weekend every year?

This is two years in a row where they are not home July 4th or July 4th weekend. Three years ago, they were home on July 4th, but not July 4th weekend. Okay. it seems like Philadelphia, July 4th is a big deal here. I mean, the country has founded here in 1776, right? Independence Day started in Philadelphia. It seems that the Phillies should be home on July 4th every year. I get it if there's like a year here and there where that's not the case.

But there should be a baseball game in Philly on July 4th. Am I wrong for saying that? Am I, again, I'll take back to xenophobic. Am I too Philadelphia-centric? You're thinking that? Parochial, yeah. Procule, that's a better term for it, yes. Yeah, no, 100% agree.

And I actually think it should just be every year. Like, don't even give it the exception. Like, there are 30 teams in Major League Baseball, right? Like, you can work the schedule where one of them is playing in Philadelphia every year, right? They do it for Boston. They do it for, what is it, Patriots Day and the Marathon? Exactly. Exactly, yes.

That's what it should be here. And I completely agree with you. It's not like there would be some traffic nightmare down by the stadium. That's far away from all the parades and all the stuff on the parkway and all that stuff. ZB completely agree with you. There should be a game every year, Fourth of July. And frankly, Major League Baseball should be like that game should be on ESPN every year too. It should be at like three or four o'clock, whatever the prime time Fourth of July game is.

Maybe it's 1 o'clock. I don't know exactly, completely agree with you. And I don't think you are being unreasonable in bringing out that take. Yeah, I think you framed it well talking about Boston. In the NFL, when they put the schedule together, Detroit always hosts Thanksgiving. Dallas always hosts Thanksgiving, right? It seems to be like, you know, yesterday, if you're fortunate enough to have off in Philadelphia on July 4th, you should be able to go. to a baseball game here. And there's there's other cities where I get July 4th recognized everywhere

in the country, right? But you should make sure that there's a baseball game in Philly on July 4th or at the very least July 4th weekend. The A's are in town next weekend. That's nice. There should be baseball in Philly this weekend. I feel strongly about this. I've long felt this. I would go so far is to say should be Memorial Day and July 4th. But actually, if we just want to say July 4th, I'm fine with that. But if there's anyone in the MLB office watching, I know some people in the MLB office. If you're watching right now, make this happen. Go over to the schedule department and say July 4th in Philly, it's the easiest thing ever.

There's 162 games. There's 81 home games. Let's make this work. I've seen Rob Manfred in the chat before. He's a minus ago, I would say. Yeah. I will vote for your re-election, Rob Manfred, if you make this work. Before we get to the next question here, I just want to tell everyone whether you are going to,

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predict the future NFL. Okay, this is an interesting one because you mentioned the stage that the franchise that the Giants franchise is in right now. This is more giant-centric than Eagle-centric. But do the Giants regret letting Sequin leave? So part of me wonders if this story ends up dying down during the season and that I'll explain what I meant, but in a set. But to me, it's pretty simple. Like as much as I want to and I will make fun of Joe Shane if this turns out well for the Eagles. I actually think the Sequin calculus in this is fine from his standpoint.

Like I think there are plenty of things that you can criticize for him, including the some of the war room conversation in addition to like his actual moves. But like and look, I was reading Jimmy Kemsky pointed out he had a good write up on it. He mentioned that Devin Singletary signed for. $5.5 million, which is not what Mr. Shane was talking about at the beginning of episode one when it came to shopping in the bargain bin. But I get, I get like the idea that they should not have paid top of the market for Sequin. And I wonder, as always, like, I wonder if there's like a basketball parallel here. And that the Knicks a couple weeks ago, they trade five first round picks for McHale Bridges. And that is no offense to Devon. That is insane if you just look at the

player and the amount of picks they got traded, but, and it's something they could regret in a couple years, but you can at least understand it from their perspective because they have all of the ancillary pieces there, right? Like, he is meant to be kind of the finishing piece on, on that team, something that the Sixers did not have, right? They kind of have a couple of players and they, they can't trade all of their picks. So to bring it back to football, I think like the Giants are a little more like the Sixers, obviously Sixers better than them right now. But they have holes all over the place. Joe Shane mentioned that. So I get not wanting to pay a running back $13 million. And I wonder if this whole thing turns out to be, oh, the Eagles are good, the Giants are bad.

And that was going to be the case, no matter what uniform Seekwon Barclay was wearing. But like, look, if Seekwan is scoring touchdowns in the NFC championship game for the Eagles, yes, the Giants are going to look bad. But like, are they going to actually regret letting them leave? Like, is it the correct move for them? I still think it is. Yeah, I agree with you. I think what they'll regret is not doing this a year sooner.

Okay. I think the Giants made a miscalculation after that playoff run two years ago. They win the playoff game in Minnesota, come to Philly, get smoked here. But then they, first off, they franchise tagged Sequan, and they signed Daniel Jones to the big money. What I would have done if I were them is I would assign Sequin to a contract then, and I would have tagged Daniel Jones. And I would have bought yourself more time with Daniel Jones than the commitment they gave to Daniel Jones. Or if they had the calculation that I think is an appropriate one, that there's a lot of needs. I think a running back like Sequin is better on a team like the Eagles where you're kind of, I don't want to say one player away, but you're a contender.

and he electrifies an offense that already has a lot of juice, right, as opposed to kind of being the only guy or like one of the only guys on the offense. But I would imagine that they could have probably gotten a little more for Sequin in the trade market a year ago when they tagged him than obviously this past year, even if it was not like the top level from a pick perspective. but I think that they fooled themselves after that run that they had in 2022. They ran it back with Saquan and Daniel Jones. And now they're kind of having this conclusion of, well, let's see if Daniel Jones is the quarterback.

And we need to get help on the offensive line. And it's more than one piece. Like, I could have told you that two years ago. They were playing above themselves two years ago. And so I think that I don't think they'll regret letting Saquan leave, although certainly seeing him for a division rival, and I expect Saquan to play well, will hurt Giants fans.

I think the mistake they made was trying to hold on for another year, fooling themselves in the thinking. What happened in 2022, they just kind of need to move forward at Darren Waller and be this like playoff contender. I'm not surprised, by the way, the Giants played last year. And I think if you're in year three now of Joe Shane and Brian Daibling, you're just kind of saying,

to see if Daniel Jones is the guy, then you probably know he's not the guy. Completely agree. And it was kind of funny that Joe Shane was talking about all of the holes they have. I would argue they have a hole of quarterback. And that hole is unfortunately making $40 million for them. So, yeah, it was. And I know Bow and I mentioned this the other day, but that's got to be a tough watch for Daniel Jones.

Yeah, but look, I mean, he's, he should know that, and I think we'll see this in coming episodes. The Giants were interested in moving up the draft of quarterback. Daniel Jones has done very little in his career from my perspective to get the type of loyalty that he's engendered with the Giants. This is not like an, I should say, an anti-Daniel Jones take, but I heard John Maris say before they hired Daibald, like that they failed Daniel Jones over and over. over again with like the different coaches and different coordinators. It's like how many times do you need to say the situation around Daniel, you know, it's the offensive line, it's the receiver, it's the system, it's the coaches.

At some point, the quarterback needs to raise his level above that. You draft the guy, top 10 overall. You've committed to him for as long as you have. Like, if you don't know, I say this often with players. If you don't know, you already know. And I think at this point in Daniel Jones's career, if you don't know, you already know. They know. Yeah, they know.

Completely agree. He's not very good. I'm just saying it is kind of awkward for him to be like, oh, yeah, like they don't believe in me anymore, which they shouldn't because he's not very good. So that's the business. Yeah. That is the business. Let's do, hmm, let's do a miscellaneous.

Let's do, would you rather? Miscellaneous, would you rather? Okay. It's my first time speaking to you in July, first time being on this show in July. I've always wondered this. This is like this, we call this the slow time on the NFL calendar, but this is really, this is the slow time, the sports calendar, okay? Are you more of a July guy or an August guy?

Because these are kind of the, now, August from like a football perspective, you know, you're in training camp, you're in preseason. But let's talk about this from a overall sports perspective. And let's talk about this just from like a human being perspective. Yeah, a living perspective. Do you like July or August? When you sent me the prop for this, this is embarrassing, but I typed into Google month rankings. And I read people's rankings as if it was a scientific process, got some good feedback.

And to me, in those articles, it seems like January and February are kind of the lowest for most people. And I would say other than like the football playoffs, I get that, you know, especially in the Northeast with the weather. not great, but it did seem like July and August were also pretty low. And I think if I had to pick between the months, give me August over July. Not when I was in school, but in adult life, I think I would take August. I would say for a couple reasons. Usually the first two weeks of August are when a bunch of people are at the Jersey Shore taking their vacation rental, the one or two weeks at,

was what my family has done for a long time. So that was always fun. Starts to get a little cooler at the end of the month. Still pretty hot, but you can get some better days. And, you know, I loved it as a basketball writer when I was full time because nothing is really going on during that month.

It was very easy to sneak in 18 holes in August. And then I think the last thing you said, though, part of the sports calendar, right? Football is starting, right? And I know for, for you, this is a good thing, but I know for Bo and other people, like, again, like training camp is a grind. Those are

long days. But I just remember as a fan and as a reader, you know, reading the daily news every day and getting like training camp updates and now that's reading the various practice notes online, you know, you and Bo, Jimmy Kempski, all these different people. But football is starting, right?

There are preseason games that we get to complain about because none of the actual good players play. But I think I will take August over July. Okay, yeah, I can certainly see that. I look at this obviously from a work perspective, of sports perspective, and then a life perspective, right? July for the past 14 years of my life,

it has been like the quiet month, right? Similar than what you said about basketball, football offices are closed for much of July. I had learned pretty early on in my time in the beat that, you know, If you're getting in touch with someone in July, it's usually for a bad reason, right? A player got in trouble or, you know, something came up because this is the time when people get away in the football business. August is a work month. It always has been for me.

From a sports perspective, so July you have, the beginning of July, you have free agency and we'll get into that in the NBA, in the NHL, like July 1st has always kind of, I've always. always known that to be the case. You have a holiday, you know, so in a World Cup years, you know, that's going on in July. In the Olympics years, you know, that's going on in August. So you kind of go back and forth there. You have the baseball All-Star game in July. Growing up, I used to watch the SBs. You knew that was in July. August was was kind of more of a, there wasn't as much going on from a sports perspective, but like you mentioned, you got training camps. and then, you know, those fantasy football drafts are kind of starting during that period. And I should also mention that we're going to have a fantasy football show next week, Rich and I, on Tuesday.

So make sure you tune into that. But I would say July, because of the baseball all-star game, because you got a little more going on with the NBA and the NHL, that I'll probably prefer July from a sports calendar month. And then just from a human perspective, I heard someone say in the chat that all, August kind of has like, it's almost like the Sunday scaries, right? Like August, you know school is around the corner. June, you've just finished school.

July is the only time you know, like, all right, this is summer. July is pure summer. So I can see it being fulfilling from that perspective. And I know you and Bo are not July 4th people, but I always enjoy an independence day. So for that reason, I won't say July. It's a little overrated, okay? But I'm not anti-July. my one sentence yeah we don't need to go down this this this rabbit hole my one sentence

kind of convincing point i i i like holidays that celebrate things right like i like holidays where people are happy um and there's certain holidays that are like solemn there's certain holidays that you spend it like remembering i i like holidays where it's like it's cheerful it's optimistic it's exciting you know you're celebrating it and so that's that's why i'm a a July 4th person. Anyways, I will probably go with July for that reason. Fair enough.

No, it's hard to argue. I would say, especially when you were a kid, I would pick July over August because, yes, those last couple weeks were very much Sunday scarries. I will always remember probably like the four or five years I played football into my freshman year of high school.

Those August practices were not fun. Like I, the games were always more fun than the practices, but especially the practices at the beginning of the year. I don't know if they've changed that practice now with the concussions and stuff like that being a little more safe. But I'm not saying I was part of the Junction Boys by any means, but like it was, it was tough. It's still August football practice. Yeah. It's still really hot and you usually hit more than you do during the year. So, yeah.

All right. I guess before the break, let's do a quick one. Let's do would you rather NFL. Would you rather NFL? Okay. So I spoke about the NHL and the NBA Free Agency schedule. And you and I spoke about this back in April briefly for a show. I don't know if you were the audience remembers that.

But when I had the NFL is so in the NFL, free agency happens before the draft. in NHL and the NBA free agency happens after the draft. Would you rather the NFL's calendar where free agencies before the draft or would you rather the calendar in NBA and NHL where free agency is after the draft? All right. So I'm going to spin this back on you because I think the answer is different from, let's say, people on the outside and people actually working for teams and stuff like that from a fan or a journalist perspective because I think it's roughly the same thing at this point for

for this specific topic. I'm not sure it matters all that much. Do you have an answer for the outside that it makes a difference? I kind of go back. Yeah. So I prefer having agency after the draft for the reason being that the draft is what you don't control, right? You don't know what player is going to be there.

So you can draft there. And then I think you use free agency to fill your. your needs, right? And so you have a better idea of what your roster composition is post-draft. And I understand the NFL draft is different than the NBA draft and the NHL draft. The NBA draft, you're really looking at like 15, 20 picks. Although that's changing now more. You see with second round contracts, but oftentimes you're not drafting someone to contribute early, right? In the NHL, outside of like the top five, you're not drafting someone to contribute early. In the NFL, you're drafting guys who are going to be part of your team. Your first

round pick is expected to start. Your second round pick is expected to play. So I understand it's a little different there. And just given when the NFL draft is historically, you know, it's been in April, right? College, you know, the NFL season ends when it does. College season ends when it does. I understand why the calendar is when it is. I think from a roster building perspective, it's more beneficial to have the draft after free agency, or I'm sorry, the draft before free agency, because the draft is what's out of your control. Free agency is mostly within your control.

That's fair. And I think what, and I think that's the right answer in terms of the team building. That's where I was getting at because, and football really, the draft is so much more important in that than any other sport. I understand. draft. Victor Wenbanyama, that's great, but I would argue, like, the lottery is more important

than the draft in the NBA. But it's for two reasons, like you said, number one, the rookies play right away in the NFL. But number two, they're performing kind of these hyper-specific roles that are the case in other sports, right? Like in basketball, it's like, ah, we need a wing. And it's like, all right, is Jared McCain a wing? Probably not.

But, like, is it that much different than a 6-5 guy who, uh, who can dribble and shoot It's not like that crazy. And there are different ways to kind of build a roster in basketball with guys all generally doing the same thing. Dribble, pass, shoot, all that stuff. And in football, you can't draft a right guard and say you're playing middle linebacker today. So I agree with you on that. So yeah, I think the NFL probably the better team building way would be to do it the other way and do the draft, which is more long term thinking big picture ideas, you know, kind of more. general team building. Get that out of the way first and then go, then go fill your needs in

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So head over to all phtly.com now and join the best sports fans in the city. All right, TB. Let's finish the Saquan discussion. Let's do predict the future Eagles. predict the future Eagles. Okay. So what's the narrative about Sequin with the Eagles on July 5th, 2025? So a year from today, what are we talking about the Sequin signing with the Eagles and whether Sequin worked with Eagles?

So I'm going to let you predict, but I'm going to give everybody the two kind of extreme cases, whether it works great or whether it works very poorly. And the first is the positive one. And I think that narrative would be like if the Eagles use Sequin as a chess piece and it opens everything up for Jalen Hertz, for A.J. Brown, Devante Smith, he is the guy that just unlocks the offense. He is getting the tough yards, but he's also, you know, the screen game is going again. You know, he's catching those wheel routes like Darren Sprouls when they're running the, the mesh concept that Chip used to run. And then I think the conversation, if that happens, it's not just about the Eagles, but then it turns, into a running back value conversation where it's like, okay, running backs might not be that important, but the idea of elite running back on elite offense, there might be something to

that if you have the pieces because McCaffrey had done it before. And it's like, okay, this actually worked out really well twice. Like if you have the O line, the quarterback, the receivers in place, spending a lot on a running back, if he is, if he does still have that juice, if he is still that legitimate chess piece, that that could work out. And, you know, part of me I hate to to disparage a former St. Joe's prep hawk who went to school right there, DeAndre Swift. But like, I do wonder if the narrative is like, man, he was leaving some yards on the table last year. If Sequin is, you know, is thriving under this kind of reworked offensive lines still, you know, a few of the pieces. but Jason Kelsey obviously gone.

I think there is a chance of that happening. And then the other end of the spectrum would be exactly what happened with DeMarco Murray. Sure. It would be the same thing, right? It's why are you paying real money to a back that has a ton of wear and tear and a million touches, both in college and in the pros? It's like Howie, you made two Super Bowls in the last seven years with these three back rotations, ones that you did not put a ton of resources into.

And those guys played great. I mean, especially in the 2017 season, the Super Bowl, all three of those guys, massive contributions. But why were they, why did they have massive contributions? Because the talent was elite elsewhere. So those are the two ends of the spectrum, ZB. Where do you think it ends up falling? Yeah, good points there.

I don't like to protect injuries, right? I don't think Seekwon is washed. I think Sequin, as long as, as he's healthy is going to be really good in this offense. And I think the conversation about Sequin is going to be, oh, that's why he's always kind of been a high profile guy. Like, I think it's going to be Seyquan Barkley, Christian McAfree. Like he's, he's going to be very much considered in that top three, top four, top five running back tier. I don't think it's, it's going to be like the DeMarca Murray thing where they pay for a name. I don't think it's it's going to be, why doesn't

he fit. I think he's going to fit well. I think he's going to be really good. I think the only way that's not the narrative is if he gets injured. I think that's fair. And injury risk, it's, it's, it's there, but, you know, it would be there for any player in the, in the NFL. Like, Bryce Huff could get hurt. And he's a, he's 25 years old, right? I mean, I understand there's more injury risk at running back. That's probably why teams kind of sheer away from paying top backs. But I think as long as he's healthy. I think he's going to be dynamic in this offense. I don't know if he's going to be dynamic for two years. I don't know if he's going to be dynamic for three years. I don't know if he'll be on the team in three years. But I think for 2024, so we're having this

conversation July 5th, 2025, I think it'll be, man, this guy was awesome. That's how I feel about Saquan. And the difference between DeMarco Murray and this situation, even though I did lay it out as an option, is that like the rest of the Eagles offense was a mess that year, right? Like the league had figured out chip schemes at that point. and Sam Bradford, not the guy that you needed. The receiving talent was not there. So I don't think that's, you know, we'll see how Kellanmore does, like scheming all these guys up. But I think specifically the talent around Sequin is much better than that groups.

Well said. So let's keep rolling here. What's the next one you have? All right. Let's do, hmm, let's go back miscellaneous. Let's do predict. Yeah, predict the future. Future miscellaneous.

Yeah, so I'm curious here. The Olympic start at the end of this month. Will there be Olympic buzz among sports fans this year? It's in Paris. And is Philly not like an Olympic city? I feel as if, and this could just be like me being a big, you know, basketball, football, baseball, hockey, but I got not so much like track and field, individual sports, swimming. But I didn't think the Olympics were particularly huge growing up in Philly.

And I wonder if that's just me or if it's Philly. And then the second part to this, well, I guess the first part to this is, are you expecting there to be buzz about the Olympics this year? It's the last Olympics before a United States Olympics in 2028. Yeah, I don't know if there's any, you know, different buzz than usual. Like, is there a – so, Zach, personally, I really like swimming. That's my favorite thing. I like the track and field, but the swimming, the races are longer in swimming. I also like the television announcer.

It's Dan Hicks, but it's rowdy games is the guy. That guy is so fired up. No, well, it's good. There's something that I have over you that's kind of a knit fact or whatever. So I really enjoy the swimming. I am actually going. I'm going to France for the Olympics. my girlfriend's sister plays for the United States women's soccer team.

I didn't know if I was allowed to bring that up. So yeah, I was going to say, I think there's going to be a Gronswell support around the women's soccer team for sure. Yeah, but the soccer is not just in Paris. That's all over the place. Like the women's team is playing in, I believe it's Nice and Marseille are the games that I am going to. Because obviously soccer, yeah. That's a little niche joke. That's a niche joke.

I hope joy is laughing at that one there as a big fan of Paris. Yes, that is nice. But yeah, they play the soccer in the stadiums around the country. So I am excited to see that and root on the U.S. women's team. Yeah, I don't know. Is there like a Michael Phelps level star this time? Like I know Katie Ledecki's still going. Like, she's amazing.

at swimming, Simone Biles, gymnastics. But I don't know, like, I will always think back to 2008 when Phelps was going for all of the gold medals. Like, that was the peak of the Olympics to me. That was like crazy. I was watching every night. You know, he was in a race every night. The one relay race where,

blanking on the guy's name, who came back and beat the French guy at the end. Oh, oh, Jason Lezac. I remember. I watched it with my friend. That's quite a pull. from the past, like chase down a guy. That was an amazing sporting event.

So I don't know if there's that much buzz, but I always do enjoy the Olympics. It's a good thing to have on like in the morning, right, during July, August when you're not doing as much. Good point there. And look, I think the person I'm interested in following,

I said I'm not tracking field person, but there's a 16-year-old Quincy Wilson from Washington, D.C., who I've been waiting about. And it's always cool when you have a 16-year-old thing. I think, or I shouldn't say 60-year-old. It's pretty cool when there's like a 16-year-old star because you know it's going to be within your consciousness for the next X amount of years. One of the, I don't want to say issues with the Olympics is obviously because it's a role event from a time perspective. It's the live events are at different periods.

There's always that debate should it be tape delay. Should it be live when you watch it? You talk about watching things in the morning. I think that's why a United States Olympics is going to be exciting because. I agree. Like, it'll be prime time when you're watching it, even though it's in O.A. I'm, I'm, I'm, I said it's always cool when you have a 16-year-old. I try to, I want to make that clear.

I was talking about, like, an athlete who's within your consciousness who you know will have X amount of Olympic cycles. And, yeah, I imagine you're the same way. As a huge NBA fan, I love watching the Olympic basketball games, especially, like, you look at the Canada team. year. They're loaded. You look at some of the teams from the other countries. This is going to be a competitive basketball tournament. So I'm looking forward to watching that. So yeah, I'm trying to get into the Olympics, but I'm admittedly more of an American professional sportsperson than international events outside of the World Cup, which I've gotten into. So let's, yeah. Me too, but like, you know, it's, you know, it's once every four years, you know, just like, you know, turn on some

some of the dumb events are, I probably shouldn't have put it that way, but some of the more niche events, I'm not going to specify because I don't want to get people mad, make me laugh a little bit, too. You have two more options here. You have Eagles, would you rather, and convince me NFL, which way do you want to go here? Let's do Eagles, would you rather? Eagles, would you rather? Okay. So this is another sake on one, but it's more kind of from a big picture Eagles perspective or historical ego's perspective, I should say. Would you rather 2024, Sequin or 2025, Lasham McCoy? I'm sorry, 2015-Lashan McCoy. And the context here is the 2015's the year the Eagles traded LaShaun McCoy.

He was at the same stage of his career as Saquan Berkeley. He was entering year seven at that point. He was kind of entrenched as a star on the Eagles offense. Obviously, Chip Kelly moved on from him. There was money consideration, of course, similar to what the Giants were in. also kind of, I mean, there was like, what's his upcoming future with the team? How, like, like how much longer can he be at an elite level? Different players, different kind of first six years, but which one would you, which, which, which player do you prefer? 20, 24, Sequin or 2015,

Lasham McCoy. I'm going to take Seekwan for one reason only. And that is the situation that they're in. Shady went from a team that was getting worse and was dearly going to miss him the next year. But a team that had, you know, that 2013 team, like, obviously Foles played great, but they just had some electric players during those years. Shady and Deshaun and when Macklin was playing well and even Brent Selleck. He went to a situation in Buffalo, which I don't recall them being as explosive. I remember they played in Philly the next year. The Eagles won that game.

I believe it was in December or whatever. This is the opposite for Sequin, right? He has been the entire offense. I mean, the skill position players. My guy Joe Shane is pointing him out to John Mara. He's not an impressive group, man. It's just not, I mean, freaking Darren Waller retired. Like, he literally pointed him out.

He was the first name. He pointed it out two months later. The guy's not even playing football anymore. And Seekwan is going to a loaded roster. So I think that is the main reason. and I would take him over Shady. Yeah, I think Shady's the better running back than Seekwon. Certainly his first six years were better than Sequan's first six years.

Now, Seekwon has less total touches than Shady does through six years. Of course, that's because Saquan has had more injuries. Shady was healthier. But I like the situation, certainly, the Seqon's in in year seven. than what Shady's situation was in year seven. So we'll never know what LaShawn McCoy would have been in Philly if he had two, three more years here. I do think he was traded prematurely.

I think Chip Kelly made an error in that judgment, an error in judgment there. I think there's a chapter in a book that's coming out in September called The Franchise, where it gets into LaShawn McCoy and kind of the way LaShawn's career ended here in Philly. I thought LaShawn was the better player than Seekwon, but I think Sequin's going to have a better year seven

because I think Sequin's in a better situation. I think Sequin from like a size, explosiveness perspective, can be special. And I don't think that's been fully realized with the Giants. And I think we'll see more of that in Philly. I think that's fair. One last thing on Shady. The thing I will say about him, I thought it was interesting that you think he's a better back than Seekwine.

I don't think that, I mean, you looked at the numbers, without looking at the numbers, I find that I guess a little surprising to to kind of what my just general perception is. The one thing I will say about Shady, though, I never had more fun watching a running back than him when he was kind of in his prime. Like, it is rare that an NFL running back can make opposing NFL defenders look like Looney Tunes trying to tackle him, like just out of the picture with some of those jukes. So I always loved watching that dude run. Yeah. And it's a good point. Like you're surprised in that statement really brings up kind of the central argument about like Sequan's upside is that in those six years in Philly, I only saw LaShaulcoy outside of 2012.

I only saw him against a high level, sorry, behind a high level offensive line behind a Hall of Fame left tackle and Jason Peters. A pro ball guard in Evan Matten was quickly becoming a high level player early in his career. the Eagles consistently had good offensive lines outside of 2012. Even you go back to like early in LaShaulay's career, there was that was a strength of those Andrew Reed teams. And they always kind of fortified their line of scrimmage, whereas the Giants have not had that. So when I talk about LaShawn McCoy's talent, and by the way, I saw LaShawn McCoy in an offense with Deshawn Jackson and Jeremy Macklin, right? And you with Michael Vic and then Nick Foles. It's a, you know, Don of McNabbarole.

So it's a different situation, of course, than what you have with Sequin Barclay. So, yeah, I would take Shady as a running back for those first six years over Sequan's first six years, but we haven't seen Seekwan in this type of situation. And we only saw Shady really outside of 2012 with really good conditions. Totally agree. So this last one here by the fall is convince me NFL. And look, this is not, this is not like high level analysis coming here. But it's July 5th. It's 7.5, okay?

Somewhere wherever Bo is in the world right now, if he's listening to the 61st minute of this show, he'll say, Zach, this was your question. But 75, so who's your best 75 in NF? NFL history. Because there have been some really, there have been Hall Famers with 75. And who's the 75, who's the 75 that comes to mind when I say it?

By the way, BLG will appreciate this as a, when I say BLG, Brandon League Outen will appreciate this as someone who believes in Jersey number analytics. Absolutely. I will say the one who comes to mind right away because I am,

I am Eagles-brained. Vinnie Curry is the one that comes to mind for me. And Curry is all I got. Yeah. Yeah, probably so. And the best 75 in NFL history. Oh, I don't know. That's on you.

Okay. Okay. Best 75 in NFL history. People say Howie Long, howie long jumps to mine there. I would go, John, I mean, I'm a younger, or I'm 38, I'm not like, yeah, I'm but from my generation, I would go Jonathan Ogden. Jonathan Ogden was like a dominant offensive tackle.

He, he, he wore 75. So that, that comes to mind. But there have been a number of Hall famers who have worn 75, that includes. That includes Mean Joe Green, Deacon Jones, Gino Marchetti, Forest Greg, Winston Hill. So there have been some, it's a really good number. You know, Howie Long jumps out to me. When I think of 75, I think of Howley Long because I've seen like that Raiders footage. But the best 75 for my money is Jonathan Ogden because of like the time that I grew up.

And then Vinnie Curry wore 75, actually, because of the Marshall plane accident that, you know, you've all seen the movie, We Are Marshall. But yeah, that's why Vinny Curry wore 75. I did a jury, I did a story on, you know, the reason every player wore the number that they did back in 2016. and Vinnie Curry wore it because 75 people died on board on that flight in 1970 that Marshall was in. And so that's kind of the, I should say the cool reason, but the reason behind Vinny Curry wearing 75. Real quick story, because I did one of those stories too at the Sixers once. And I asked, you know, all the players like, what's the story behind your number or whatever? And, you know, I got some good answers. It was in 2019, I think, when I did it.

And the answers were funny. Like Ben Simmons was like, or some of the answers were good. Some of them were funny. Like Ben Simmons was nice because it was like, this is what my dad wore in Australia. So I've always been that number. JJ Reddix was funny. He was 17. All the numbers he had used had been like retired by the Sixers.

And they gave him a mock up jersey when he came in for his free agent visit. And it was during 2017. He was like, I guess I'll just keep that one. or whatever. But anyway, the funny part of the story was I got the Jimmy. Jimmy Butler was one of the last people I had to get to for the story. It was during his short time at the Sixers. And I asked him, Jimmy, I'm doing the story about the numbers. And what's the story behind your number? And he goes, stupid question. Next. Really?

Come on, Jimmy. It's not that stupid of a question. What do you want to answer? Come on. I always liked the Jimmy Butler, but I don't like that response to that question. But that part made a good quote. He looked at me like, he looked at me like I was crazy for asking him or whatever. So, you know, and honestly, to, to be fair to him, there might just not be a story.

He was 23, right? Yeah. I mean, I don't even know. I don't even know what number he was. But I just remember just be like, yeah, okay. Well, that, that was bad. Makes for a good line in the story, though. Stupid question.

Yes. Yes. All right. That was, yeah, that was a fun edition of Rich Zach Bo. We will be back on Monday for a show, Rich and I where if you guys remember the before the league year started, I outlined what my offseason would be, a 15-step guide for Howie Roseman. I will have a subsequent piece on Monday holding myself accountable. Which one was a better pathway to go?

My recommendation at the time or how it kind of materialized for Howie Roseman, Howie Roseman's plan. So we will get into that. We will hold me accountable and we will see who had a better offseason plan. Howie or me. Now, of course, I'm not the one kind of signing the checks and dealing with competition. Mine was all theoretical. Howie was practical.

but it's a fun way to, A, hold myself accountable and B, kind of assess where this offseason has gone for the Eagles. On Tuesday, Rich and I will have a fantasy football preview show. On Wednesday, we will do a mailbag. On Thursday, Rich won't be here, but we have a great guest coming in. I'll tell you more about that next week, and we will be doing a 2025 NFL draft preview. Okay. So kind of give you the names of who to look out for this college season. some fun shows coming Friday and Monday as well.

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