PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Philadelphia Eagles: Will the ageless Brandon Graham make his SUPER BOWL return?

Episode Date: January 27, 2025

One step away from putting the finishing touches on the greatest individual season in franchise history, Saquon Barkley is right where he belongs, just like so many other members of this 2024 team. From Nick Sirianni and Zack Baun to Jalen Carter and Nolan Smith to bit players like Oren Burks, Reed Blankenship and Dallas Goedert. Now, the stage is set for a Super Bowl rematch with the Kansas City Chiefs. Will Brandon Graham join them just months after suffering a torn triceps?Zach Berman and Bo Wulf discuss some of the important topics from an NFC Championship Game blowout and spin things ahead to the Super Bowl rematch. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

the P. H.L. Yagles podcast presented by Bet365. Download the Bet365 app and use code P.HLY. 365 to sign up whatever the moment. It's never ordinary. At Bet365, Boel Wolf, Zach Berman, the day after the Eagles emphatically stamped their ticket to the Super Bowl with a 55 to 23 domination over the Washington commanders, setting up a rematch with Andy Reed, Patrick Mahomes, James Winchester and the Kansas City Chiefs. Zach, how you doing? I'm doing well. I'm ready for this.

You've been sneaking around. What does that mean? You're an all black outfit. Ah, yeah, I like black. Okay. Yeah, so the night turned into morning quickly. And the Eagles are going to the Super Bowl. Like you said, there's excitement in the city.

But I sense... a seriousness. You feel the mood in the city. You see everybody wearing their eagles stuff around. Everybody's got to smile on their face. I don't want to say it's a Super Bowl. They're rebuilding the Hard Rock Cafe.

Everybody's happy. I don't want to say like Super Bowl or busts because that that makes it such that the season would be disappointing if that doesn't happen. But I think there is an expectation among the fan base that this team wins the Super Bowl.

Is that fair? to say? Oh, interesting. Yeah, I mean, I think, I think Eagles fans feel pretty good. Yeah, exactly. I think some of it is the pathology that Jamie talked about briefly on the, on the emergency show we did last night after the Chiefs won, that the Eagles have sort of been through this avenging the loss of the Patriots and beating the Patriots and slaying that dragon.

Maybe now they get to do it again after having lost to the Chiefs and they get to upend this other dynasty. Yeah, I think it's, it's, almost like the sports thinking that there's levels to this, right, to use our opening. You get to a certain point and it's good, but then you have to get to the next point, right? So they've, if they had not reached the conference championship, the conference championship would have been great. If they had not reached the Super Bowl, the Super Bowl would have been great. But like with this team, with this team getting to the Super Bowl, I don't think,

I mean, it's great. Trust me. Yeah, it's this ladder. Like, for instance, last year, the Niners, you know, they were, you know, so mad that they lost that NFC championship game to the Eagles. So they get, they win that game. They get to the Super Bowl and then they lose there. Yeah, for the Eagles, this is that next level. Yeah.

Exactly. So I think there's obviously excitement, but I even sensed it in the locker room, although funny. I was thinking of you as I was writing my story, which you can find out on all p.chly.com. I was writing about the scene in the locker room and the cigar smoke and the player saying we got one more to go and I said, wait. You saw someone really attractive

and you thought, that reminds me a bow. Maybe. No, I'm thinking, wait, did I use this structure before and I go back to my story two years ago and I end the story what Jeffrey Lorry sang, Uno Mas. Remember that?

And you were making fun of me. And I'm like the famous expression, Uno Mas. Oh, yeah, that's right. You're like, who knows Uno Moss? Yeah. One more. Right, yeah. The famous expression.

Yes, Uno Mas. Just a translation. There was no Spanish speaking in the locker this time. Jeffrey didn't say Uno Moss, but there were people saying one more. One more to go. But I did sense. As Shakespeare so geniusly wrote, Uno Moss. But I do sense that seriousness about avenging the loss from two years ago.

I mean, even Saquan Barkley said he wasn't here for that, but he feels that in the building. He's bought into the culture. And getting there is not enough. And I think that is, I think that's going to be one of the big storylines you hear going into Kansas City, that this is not a happy to be their team. And I also think of this ties into yesterday's game. And it's one of my big takeaways from yesterday's game.

I think yesterday was an example. I was about to say no disrespect to the commanders. If commanders fans want to take disrespect to this, they can. Oh, snap. There are levels to this as well, right? The Eagles are simply, they're a higher weight class. And that was apparent. And when you watch the Eagles, you see an elite team.

You don't see the under, you know, the pesky underdog. You don't see the team that's on house money. You see a team that both sides of the ball is brimming with talent. And when it clicks, they can beat anyone in the league. Yeah, I think on that point, you know, the commander's defense in particular was just not a unit that belonged in a championship game. I think their offense, frankly, performed very well. And it was one of the five best offenses in the league this season.

But that defense was not ready for prime time. To your framing, it's why on the postgame show I sort of objected. to this is like team of destiny. Yeah. Now, I think this goes two ways because this team to me is much more, as you say, this is like a behemoth. This is a team that is probably the best roster in football. Exactly. They are nobody's underdogs, even if they are right now, one and a half point underdogs.

Which is essentially a pick-em. Yeah, against the chiefs. I think that's reasonable. You can't make the team going for a three-peat necessarily be the underdog. But I do think that if you think about like the destiny. of it. It goes back to the conversation we've been having about so many people on this team or coaches for this team who are, it feels like finally in the right place. Good point. You know, I don't think that, I don't know if destiny is the right thing, but for Sequin

Barclay to go from the terrible situation, he was into the most advantageous situation any running back could be in and showing that he is the best running back in football and might have the single best season of all time. A guy like Zach Bonn, finally finding where he belongs the right place for him, a guy like Vic Fangio, finally getting to be in charge of his sort of hometown team and prove that he has the bona fides that a lot of people thought that he had. Guys like Mackay Beckton,

guys like even C.J. Garner Johnson coming back to where he did belong. I think when a team gets this high, it's easy to see all these little connections. But I think of on the destiny front, that's what I think of. is like so many of the people here who the Eagles team would not be in the Super Bowl without and who have really like gotten to their 99th percentile outcome because of this situation. Exactly. You framed it so well.

If you want to use that destiny term, the 2017 team felt like that. Yeah, exactly. Right? Like they were winning these games that maybe they shouldn't have won. They clicked at the right moment. this year's team I agree and I was talking to someone

about the Super Bowl I might have said this on Anthony's show but I was talking to someone out of market about this the Eagles to me have the best roster in the NFL the Chiefs have the best

quarterback in the NFL and that like which which one wins the best roster now the chiefs have a really good roster too don't get me wrong but to me it's like can you dethrone

Patrick Mahomes and if you're the Chiefs you're looking at the Eagles roster and you're like where's the weakness here right because when they're playing when they're clicking when the passing game's working there really isn't a weakness on the team that you can say edge rushing but look no one smith is the most sacks in eagles playoff history uh wow i'm sorry in a in a in a in a playoff okay i should be clear

there uh nolan smith has has really come on and you look like they don't have nicobee dean so the linebackers are but oren berks has has been served service bowl in there. Zach Bonn's playing at such a high level. We'll get into some of the matchups. I didn't think Reed Blanketship played a particularly good game yesterday. But I look at like every level of the defense is good. Every level of the offense is good.

And they have. They got to hope that Lenin Dickerson and Champ Jurgens are healthy, but yes. And so I look at that and I say like this team is loaded. This is a Jeffrey Lurie's second. it when you and I were together down in Orlando for the owner's meetings, Jeffrey Laurie said all the ingredients are there. And you see this? Like the ingredients are there. The ingredients, this is a team that it's not surprising that they're here. And I don't want to frame it that it was Super Bowl or bust, but the expectation should have been Super Bowl.

Even a guy like Jalen Carter, who I think would probably be one of the best defensive tackles in the league anywhere. I thought that when they drafted him maybe a little too much was made of the all you surround him with Georgia guys and see how that plays out but him getting to play for Vic Fangio and and playing you know 90% of the snaps as he's done over the second half of this season and getting to show off like this and in this scheme and and with his Georgia guys like there are there are a lot of guys here who it's easy to see I mean AJ Brown who was already on the team in 22 when they went to the Super Bowl but he gets out of a place that he wasn't able to be his full self all of these

guys getting to like reach their their ceilings on this team it's it's it's it's I mean it's it's obviously been super fun to watch and I would say correct me if I'm wrong but we'll have a show later this week looking at Howie Roseman specifically but I'm just I got to give Howie his flowers like this sure the job he's done and I made this point I think on Anthony's show as well I'm sorry, everything's kind of... Listen, buddy, we are just getting started. By the middle of next week, who knows where you're going to be? But you just see the NFL honors candidates that the Eagles have.

Offensive Player of the Year, MVP candidates, Sequin Barkley, acquired this offseason. Defense Player of the Year candidate, Zach Bond, acquired this offseason. Both working of the year candidates, acquired this off season. The assistant coach of the year candidate acquired this off season. Presumably by Howie Oskine, right? And you look at all these signs... Nothing like probably the guy who convinced Jeffrey to keep Nick Siriani. Sure.

And then you see, I get, you know, when I've made this point this year and people are like, what about Bryce Huff and what about the Jahan Dotson trade? And you always have those moves. Nobody's going to bet a hundred. But I look around the league and I see teams that make excuses based on cap. I see teams that say you got to run it back with your guys. And just the aggressive approach to roster building has come. come to fruition in a way that has made this this roster teaming with talent and on the same

line of guys you know maximizing what they can do i think we as we talked about i think seriani is part of that yeah uh the situation that that they put him in and the question is like uh you know is he the best coach for every team in the league not necessarily but for for this team that is so talented if the most important thing for this roster for this roster is just making sure that the guys are ready to play every week and are motivated and, you know, you're emphasizing the connection and they're playing for each other. Yeah, maybe that is the most important thing. And yesterday, I mean, a huge tip of the cap for them to be a little bit more aggressive than they had been for most of the season.

That fourth and five, I thought I thought really was the turning point of the game. I thought the team had a really good temperament yesterday too. You're talking about Nick Siriani. That comes from the coach. that comes from his messaging during the week clearly worked if in the sense that... Don't worry about them. Exactly.

They've got nothing to do with it. They're going to try to beat you in. They're going to, you know, they're going to hit them like a running back, all this nonsense. And by the way, how funny to say we're going to hit them like a running back and then on the first play of the game, the running back runs 60 yards. Just like wait, like basically a red carpet to the end zone.

Yeah, they should hit the running back like the quarterback. Exactly. But yes, to not worry. about that stuff and we're the most talented team worry about us. Obviously that worked out. And you mentioned Vic Fangio. Kellan Moore who, look, I've been critical of throughout the year.

I think yesterday might have been Kelmore's best game. I would say so. The play calling was creative. They were they found ways to get their best players to ball. You know, they were they did a good job incorporating Dallas

Goddard. Jalen Hertz was so effective against the Blitz. We'll get to that but that probably speaks to the level of preparedness they had for that Washington Blitz. So it was like, it was, I don't want to call it the perfect game, but everything came together on a day. And that seems to happen in the NFC championship games in Philadelphia. Yeah, I believe 88 points is the margin of the last three NFC championship games they've played in. They've won by a combined score.

I mean, that's insane. I always wonder, on these games when I'm, I'm saying they're going to blow them out, and then there's some national sentiment, like there might be an upset or this game's going to be close. I always second-guess myself. Like, am I too close to the sun here? Do I, is there something here that I'm missing?

And then I'm like, maybe I just know the team I cover better than the national people do. I hope so. Yeah. Yeah, yesterday was one where we arrived at the press box and had the same feeling. I was like, Honestly, it's stupid, but the hard rock thing on Saturday night really did convince me. That had nothing to do with my thinking.

I think it probably started with the Jalen Hurts playing pool earlier in the week. Like, oh, he's got the swag. I think they're feeling pretty good. But the hard rock thing is like, listen, you learn lessons. I tried to take the lesson from the Vikings fans in 2017. And listen, I wasn't going to look away this time. They were so happy to be here. Give me a break.

It was really deeply pathetic. This is interesting to me because we'll get in debates around draft time and you'll be like very focused on on certain data points, right? And I'll be talking about vibes. Vives? Not vibes, but but different things you might be hearing. I don't actually think that was the reason. But it just, it really, it really like hammered home to me that like this team is like, they really are happy to be here.

And you look at like the Eagles are not dealing with any of this nonsense. They're just so clearly the better team. Yeah, that's like and all of the excuse making of, oh, well, you know, listen, I know that Jalen Hurts's what didn't play that whole game. But, you know, the commanders might have won that game anyway. And we'll come back. Like, Eagles were, we're blowing that team out in the first quarter. Like they didn't belong on the same field.

Yeah, that's, that's kind of how I looked at it is that I, I spent time on, on Friday, really kind of looking at the matchup, more. Once I finish that, that Slay story, and I'm like, wait, who's blocking Jalen Carter? Like, who's, you know, who's rushing the quarterback here from them? And the truth is, listen, the commanders had an unbelievable season, and they were a good team. That offense was really, really good. Yeah.

And I think that, you know, maybe they will be a problem for the Eagles moving forward. But just in terms of the different kinds of draws you can get in an NFC championship game, that's about as easy of a draw as you're ever going to get. A home game against a team with a bottom 10 defense. Would you set, now I, look, I gazzed up the Packers. Okay. The chat will remind me of a vet. Yeah, we'll butt it.

But do you think overall this was, this was like the best draw they could get in the postseason? From how it started? From how it started. I think that the Vikings would have been easier than the Rams. Okay. that's the only difference okay interesting which is easy to say because the Rams beat them but I think if you're just thinking of the quarterbacks like I mean you know Stafford did almost

win that game and Washington do you think would have been harder in the first round in Green Bay maybe like what if the draw was was Washington Minnesota Detroit obviously going to Detroit yeah would have been more difficult exactly anything with Detroit would have been difficult say it was it was Washington Minnesota Green Bay yeah I guess you're I guess you're splitting Harris. I don't know. I think, yeah. But, I mean, getting three games at home

is obviously huge. And that's interesting because now the Eagles are going to have to get on a flight on a flight for the first time since mid-November. That's true. Yeah, seven out of eight weeks at home. And the only one that wasn't was a trip down to Washington. Actually, no, they had a Baltimore game in there too.

So, yeah, they really haven't. They haven't flown that much. And then they spend a week in, in New Orleans. You're a New Orleans guy. I mean, I like a New Orleans. I'm from New Orleans. Look, we'll have a lot of New Orleans talk

during the next week. Do you have any dinner reservations already set? I have some restaurants that I love there. I haven't scheduled any. I need to speak to Julia and some others about like preferences, right? Okay.

I know your preferences. I've traveled with you enough. Okay. What are they? Well, well, no, You're pretty game. You like eclectic food, right? Like, if I, if, if I, like, like, you're game for eating alligator.

Yeah, there's no, I really honestly, no food I'm going to turn down. Yeah. So, so there's some, there's some places that I, I like them on there. I see Caliph saying good food city. Great food city. My brother went to college down there, spent a good amount of time. I've spent time over the years in New Orleans. Great city.

Never spent a week there. Although people tell me, so I've covered, this will be my sixth, or seventh Super Bowl. because I guess New York technically counts or New York definitely counts, but... And it was a Super Bowl. Yeah. I hear people say this is their favorite place to cover a Super Bowl.

Everything's walking distance. The weather's good. Maybe not, right? Well, the weather's supposed to be good. Okay. I mean, I loved Vegas last year, but I know it wasn't your cup of tea or Julius. Gross.

Anyways. You get to see Paris. Basically, yes. Basically. Got to see Paris, got to see Monte Carlo, got to see the pyramids. Everything you want to see is right there in Vegas. That's great. What else were we talking about?

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We need to work on your reading skill, on your critical reading. I'm like, okay. I'm sorry. I glanced at it quickly. I'm not on a blues guy as much as you are. What was the joke? Yeah, the joke is that everything about AI

is like the least helpful thing in the world. And it's like so much, so much money and so many resources devoted to the least helpful things in the world. So that was your joke? Yeah, the joke was the AI on my dishwasher told me that Siguan Barclay is a player to watch today. Ha ha, ha, ha, ha.

bringing down the house with that one. I mean, I can't believe you thought that was serious. I'm not tweeting for you. I actually did. Well, who are you tweeting for out of curiosity? I'm like seven people. There you go. Yeah.

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All right, next one. Fresh Prince. How different would conversations be if the collapse never happened last year? We are a Sequin drop and a Devante drop away from being 19 and 1 going into Super Bowl and 59. I do think we should spare a moment to think about how the collapse from last year affected everything that happened after. I think it created early season skepticism, right? I think that there was, I mean, certainly you think about Siriani's reaction after the Browns game. A lot of that has to probably do with the way last year ended.

So I think the collapse from last year cast a shadow over the early portion of the season. I do think the Eagles got over that pretty quickly, probably more quickly than the fans did. So when I said, when I tweeted on Blue Sky today that I told my neighbor's kids I was going to hit them like a running back, did you think that that was serious also?

I've been honestly locked. I haven't really been on social today. I've been locked into writing, responding to a few things, yeah, have not been perusing. Okay. Yeah, I mean, listen, I think there are a lot of things that happened at the end of last year that affected the way that the Eagles went into this season from just a roster management standpoint, from obviously changing the coaching staff, like just the construction of the team itself. I think a lot of

ramifications were because of that. I also think when we talk about the skepticism of Siriani at the early part of the season, I think it's important to say that that wasn't just from the outside. That was inside the building too. And

all the credit in the world to Nick Siriani for harboring that, knowing that that was the case, and, you know, steadying the ship and being able to turn things around. You're absolutely right. Super chat from D5. I'm Justin who says, thanks for everything this season, guys. Can't wait for the next two weeks of coverage as long as ZB doesn't quote Jim Harbaugh during that span.

I won't quote Jim Harba during that span. You don't have to worry about that. I don't know if you can, I don't know if you can hold to that. Two weeks of like double, double shows a day and you're not going to slip in one Harbaism? I didn't sign up for the double shows a day, by the way. You brought that up. I didn't sign up for double shows a day. But I won't quote Jim.

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Chill Bill. But think about how much better they would be with Christian Ellis and Lou Nichols instead of Zach Bonn and Sequin. That's unfair. I mean, the amount of time we allocated to that. There's no comparison between it. It wasn't Ellis and Bonn.

It was Ellis and Morrow. And by the way, couldn't they have used a backup center yesterday? Barron Roth says... They were pretty. They seemed fine to me. Well, yeah, but I mean, if Nick Gates isn't going to get in this game,

then what's Nick Gates doing on the roster compared to Dylan McMahon? a conversation for another day. I hope so. Barrett Roth. Vicks Wall needs a nickname. Latest idea. The green punch. Hulk hands at the link.

Kelly Green Cocktails pregame four turnovers. Hard to decipher what that means. Vicks Wall needs a nickname. We do need a... We do need a... This defense does deserve a nickname. I also do want to

create and sell. think this would be a huge business, a calendar of just all the different shots of Vic Fangio in the booth from over the course of the season. That's a weird thing to want to sell. If I were Vick Fangio, I'd be concerned. Nickname. A Vic name. Ooh. I'll think about that and I'll get back to you. Caleb says, can you give your thoughts on Jake Locker's tenure from 2011 to 2014 in the NFL? Yeah, you know what? You hear you. You hear. I hear the expression often, well, not often. Kevin O'Connell said it this year,

but I've heard in various forms how situation matters that organizations fail players, more than players, fail organizations, and I think there are some players that transcend their circumstances, there are other players that need better circumstances. I really liked Jake Locker when he was at Washington, and he was in a tough situation with the Titans.

And then he also, I mean, I think concussion is he was right? Admittedly, he didn't have the same. Well, I think he just didn't love it anymore. Okay. if memory service, maybe concussions contributed to that as well. But great athlete, great athlete in college at Washington. Amen.

Jay Steyniel Plainview, all glory to Godder. Jason with the Jay, we get in Mina Kimes appearance during Media Week. That would be fun. I would love to do that. Yeah. Look, if there's a guest, you want us to line up, please leave it in the comments to this. I read every single comment, every single comment.

I'm compelled to respond to them. I don't know if I should or not, but let's just say, yeah, I've read every comment. I've read every tweet. You also write a lot of comments, right? No, I definitely don't. I definitely don't do that. On the ones saying, like, Bo needs to stick to football. Bo's ruining the show.

Those are all you, right? No, those are not me, but are people saying that. Angry Potato says, did you notice in the fourth quarter when Seekwan stands up Louvo on a blitz and just walk? his ass out of the play. It felt personal. Also, Bo, how much do you love when Jalen sends balls real deep like? I mean, first of all, I do like it when Jalen sends balls real deep. I think that's something that has been missing from the offense for quite some time.

I thought it was risky to go for around fourth and five and do that. It was a great call. It worked out very well. I think part of my concern with not throwing the ball deep is that Jalen is so good at it. And they have receivers who are so good at it. I'm not sure why it has been missing for so long. What did you make of the straight jacket comment, by the way? So I thought it was an unnecessary passive-aggressive thing to say in that moment. As you watch it, because when we asked you about it on the post-game show, you were only hearing the transcript.

As you re-watched it, did it seem like it was ingest, or did it seem honestly like passive-aggressive? Well, it's like a joke that has truth to it, I kind of feel. Okay, right? You got a lot of those. Yeah, yeah. I know what those are like. But, yeah, I thought that in Jalen, my, I said this on the postgame show. He is wired that that winning's what matters to him.

And he's genuine in that. But I also think that he feels like he could be doing more. And he said this other ways. He said just because we can't. I'm sorry, he says just because we don't doesn't mean we can't. So I have a story coming out tomorrow. And it's in, or I should say later today. You can read it in our deal with the 36 hours for 36 hours.

But it struck me how many people in the locker room, Siriani, Jordan Maelada, some others, were harping on the criticism that Jalen was receiving. And I wonder if that was a discussion point behind the scenes. Like, you know, one thing that Saquan Barkley referenced is that he said in the Pittsburgh game, Jaylon said, is that what you all wanted to see? Well, like, that was a, is that what you all wanted to see game right there? And so Jalen probably internalized the criticism.

I'm projecting here, speculating, as like, well, I can do what they're saying. I'm playing within the team, but they're not allowing me to do what I can do. As he's, what's the expression? He did getting what with it, getting jiggy with it? Yeah. I don't know. I didn't see. No, a few years ago, he said it.

Freaky? Freaky. Yes, that's what we said, getting freaky out there. I did have a question for you. I think the Jalen thing, just to stay there. Listen, first of all, like, you know, elite athletes got to take whatever they can to motivate themselves all across the board.

That's totally fair. I think criticism of Jalen this season, part of the criticism of Jalen has been, why is the offense treating him like this? Sure. Right? It was like they were showing you how they felt about him

or how they felt about, what their best course of winning was in that they weren't asking him to do a lot. And, you know, it was, just don't make a mistake. Exactly. Which we have seen he's better than that. He doesn't need those constraints

if you want to talk about the straight jacket. There have been times where I didn't think he was playing his best. But like, yeah, he played a freaking awesome game. He deserves all kinds of credit. He played awesome. But I do think to that point, Before I knew that the offensive linemen went in to the Knicks office saying they should run the ball more. One thing I had heard during the buy is that they were, and this seems obvious, and this has been in my comments during the past few months,

they were so perturbed by the turnovers that they really thought the biggest problem with the team was turnovers. They were in the red all four games. They had at least two turnovers in each of those first four games. really thought if they just didn't turn the ball over, they would be, like, it would make all the difference. Now, I, I didn't think they would stop passing the ball. I remember saying, like, anytime you have AJ Brown, Devante Smith, that's what your identity is going to be, your star players, when not that identity conversation was happening, but I kept hearing from multiple people I talked to that the biggest problems turnovers, the biggest problems

turnovers. And so it doesn't, it. And like the Siriani conversation, it's not like the only criticism of Jalen was coming from outside the building. Sure. Right. Yeah. I wanted to ask you, because when I watched it back, I didn't have my headphones on during this play. When I watched it back, the broadcast was making a big deal about the no flag on that fourth down play. They said Sequin held. What was your... An outrageous sequence of events from Tom Brady. Okay. To call for the, like, what I thought would have been an extremely ticky-tack hold on Sequin on Barclay. And then on the very next play, say, oh, well, I always prefer when refs let them play on what should have been pass interference on Latimore in the end zone.

Outrageous sequence of events from Brady. If that's penalty is called there, I don't want to say it changes the game. The Eagles were the better team, but it certainly changes the game flow. Yeah, I mean, there were a lot of plays. I mean, this game, you know, the Eagles win by 33 points. Yeah. Or two and a half quarters, this was a very tight game. You know, if Orrin Burke doesn't force that fumble at that point, there's a good chance

the commanders go down and score. But then again, like, it would have taken them a long time to get the ball down field because they were moving slowly, efficiently, but slowly, there's another chance that they turn it over later in that drive

or whatever it is. I thought the penalty on, you know, Sanra Still was, like, I don't think that one needed to be thrown. I thought it was a dumb play by Sanrystil, but I didn't think it was definitely a flag. Yeah. That leads to a touchdown.

I thought by letter of the law, it was a penalty, but I thought spirit of the play was not a penalty. I would have been okay with that not being flag. I don't think that was, intended to be a late hit. Like, like, Sequin wasn't slowing up.

I think Sequin sold it a little bit. Sure. I mean, I definitely think that A.J. also should have been flagged in the end zone and the, the, scuffle with Latimore.

But that also didn't have an effect on the game there. No, I know. Yeah, I agree. But we're just talking about, like, flags to get upset about if the commanders are, are upset. And their,

their complaints about the way that they handled the, you know, the Louvoo jumps, like, That's what they were doing. They were doing that on purpose. Yeah. Like some of the tweets of like snap the ball are really some of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen. Yeah, Dan Quinn addressed that after the game that, like that was their plan was to try to time the snap.

That's what they're incentivized to do. That's a fine strategy. It's a little bit JV, but that's fine. I mean, Louva made, like, the first one looked a little bit dirty. Like it looked like he was going on. A huge track. Okay. Yeah.

But earlier in the game, he made a game changing play on third down by timing the snap. Yeah. But yeah. huge play, yeah. Yeah, but at the goal line there. Yeah. All right. Quick break, get some more superchats,

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Standard rates apply after the promotional rate. All right. A bit of a treat right now. We're going to get some actual expert analysis for once on this show. We welcome to the show from Rothman, Dr. Shyam Brombeha, as we try to figure out what could be ahead for Brandon Graham. Doctor, thank you for joining us. Thanks for having me, guys.

Can you hear me okay? Yes, we can. Perfect. So Brandon Graham tore his triceps. I said peck earlier. I meant triceps. store his triceps basically exactly two months ago, November 24th. How realistic is it to think that he could be playing in a football game in two weeks?

So, you know, I think when you talk about us, normal humans, I'd say the answer is no. Okay. But when we talk about superhumans, I just looked up JJ Watt had surgery for a shoulder, and in 10 weeks he was playing for a playoff game, right? So you would never think of that. If you came into my office with a triceps tear, I'd say, hey, six months is a good number for you to play NFL football. But these guys are huge human beings,

and I think they can accommodate a lot better than you and I can. Now, that being said, I'm not his team doctor. I do not have access to him. I don't get to examine him. I don't get to see his MRI, things like that. And if you have had surgery, the answer is, you know, most people would say four months plus, but he's looking at two, two and a half months.

But I think these guys are very strong. And also what you could do is try, So for people listening to you, what do you need your triceps for pushups? You cannot do your pushups without triceps. That's you're trying to push people off, right? So alignment is that's, you know, that's what he's going to do. And but you could put him in a brace, have him in a certain extension lock that he won't go completely incorporating all his triceps. And people would be okay.

A lot of people. Sog that he was a de-lineman for the Ravens. Yep. He played with the torn triceps for a long time. In fact, the entire season and then had surgery at the end of the season. So I think you can get away with it. Yes, you want to make sure you don't have a re-injury. So after the point of surgery, what's that process like with the rehab to get it to a point where he can at least comfortably play?

Like does the muscle atrophy in such a way that you're not going to be? at have the strength that you would expect of an NFL player? Wonderful question. So, you know, first things first, right? With any surgery, you try to say, hey, let's get your range of motion first. So if you have full range of motion, then you say, let's work on strengthening. Because at the end of the day, you're repaired to bone, the triceps, when it comes off the bone, it gets reattached with drill holes in the bone, with anchors, with suture material.

You want the tendon to heal to bone before you stress your repair. but I'm sure they have done a repeat MRI to see, hey, if the healing has taken place, they look at his range of motion, and then they evaluate the strength. More importantly, for a player, we say, hey, you need to be able to protect yourself before you get on the field.

So if somebody's coming at his face, he needs to get his arm up there and protect himself. It's interesting because for Brandon Graham, obviously, this is a bit of a different calculation. Like this could be the end of his career. And so we talk about the risk for re-injury. I don't want to be craven here, but it might be less of a concern for him

because he's not then thinking about getting back for next season, like the risk might be worth the potential reward. It's hard for me to make that decision for him, but we wouldn't have the Super Bowl without his trip sack, right? And just having him on the field is very helpful. But that's where a team doctor pulls out of that, you know, fan mentality and says,

what do I need to do for my patient slash athlete? If I can follow up on a previous question or a previous answer, I should say, what would he wear during a game to still have the range of motion that's needed but protected in such a way that won't be problematic? So there are certain braces that will give you a lock, guys, so that it won't let you extend all the way. So if there is a lock, then you say,

hey, you're incorporating some triceps, but not all of it. So possibly reduce a chance of re-injury. So I don't know if you guys watched last night's game after our game. There was a Buffalo Bill guy. He has strapped kept coming off. A brace similar to that that will prevent you to prevent from re-enjuring the triceps repair. Interesting. And now it's his left.

So I'm trying to think of like if he's picking which side to rush from, would you want it on the inside arm or the outside arm? I would ask the doctor. I don't know how much defensive line backgrounds you have, Dr. That's why I do what I do for a living, guys. So I think anyways. I'm sorry? I think any.

So even going back to the Buffalo Bills game, there was a guy who had a concussion, right? He started with a B, his last thing. And he had a massive concussion yesterday. He was having trouble standing. And so football is such a collision sport. anything can happen. So you put him on the left side or the right side. If he's ready, then he's ready. And it's also, you know, what I think what Brandon Graham has said publicly, and I expect him to make some kind of announcement today, is that like his rehab so far has gone well enough

that that has been encouraging for the likelihood. What would be, what would that rehab be like for him? So I think you've got to have full range of motion and got to me, say, if I saw you guys in the office, your strength ought to be 90% of the opposite side, the good side. When that happens, you're good to go. But remember, like Aaron Rogers, you know, there was a huge talk about him coming back from an Achilles tendon rupture, you know, like two months, three months after an interview, but never did come back, right?

And he even struggled this year. So as we get older, as we get older, you know, it starts taking a little bit longer. But JJ Watt, on the other hand, is a big boy. So he has so many muscles. Brandon Graham is such a big boy. They have so many more muscles to help them, accommodate for any lack of strength that they have with a specific muscle group.

I feel like I feel smarter. Yeah. I feel in all of these players who are playing with an injury that should last that long, playing in a game. Well, I think so. You and I wouldn't even think about it. Yeah, you and I wouldn't even think about it. But these guys, they have a passion.

I think they're phenomenal, phenomenal, like species. Like they are at a such higher level than we are. I think cannot apply my protocol to them because they are at a different level. That's well said. Well, doctor, thank you so much, Dr. Shyam Brababa. Have a wonderful day, guys. Thank you so much for having me on. Appreciate it.

Bye-bye. That was great. I feel so much smarter. That was great. Thank you to Rothman. Steve Clef says, Zbian Bo, People's Bench Contest, bring the bench down to New Orleans. Maybe we think we have. You want to issue that show?

I think we have a bench connection, I'm saying. Oh, yes, that's right. More super chats to get to. Lock City. How can both still be skeptical that coaching can influence turnovers? Watching this team play, it's clear that the coaching is translating to the field, never seen an Eagles team this committed to attacking, ripping at the ball. I'm not skeptical that it has an effect.

I just think it's silly to think that it's the only effect. that it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, a clear cause and effect, as if every team in the league is not also trying to force turnovers. There's no doubt that this team has gotten extremely good at those punches, at those takeaways. And as you have written about, like Nick Siriani makes it a point. Sure. Every single meeting.

I just don't think it's the only reason. No, it's, it's hard. Like, they do emphasize it. And technique-wise, you see, like, Zach Bond, I mean, I thought he was going to break Cooper Cooper the Gene's hand there. He punched the beep out of that ball. Beep, beep. But at the same time, I don't think the Eagles weren't emphasizing turnovers when they were in the red those first four games.

I don't think they weren't emphasizing turnovers when they were in the red against the Steelers, right? I think sometimes the ball bounces your way. Sometimes the ball doesn't. Sometimes the other team holds the ball. Sometimes it doesn't. But you want to be opportunistic. And I'll also. I think you could credit.

Honestly, I think you could credit the coaching more with the lack of turnovers because of the way that they have coached the game and coach Jalen Hurts to play. You're right. And then I also think, I won't mention the coach's name here, but there's a coach who used to emphasize response off turnovers. And I think you see like the Eagles were, like the Eagles forced five turnovers against Washington in the first game. They didn't win. They didn't respond off those turnovers enough. The Eagles scored 28 points yesterday off of the four turn. Every turnover they forced, they scored a touchdown off of like that. And they're like eight touchdowns.

But that changes, that changes the game. You saw that at the end of the half. That, that changed the game. Musa. Defot Musa. ZB, did you know that sleep deprivation is linked to morbidities that offset your lifespan gains from being a short kink? Diabetes and dementia. We should have talked to, honestly, we could have gone deeper with the doctor on, on sleep habits.

I got to tell you, Musa. I know, Kalif wanted us to ask him about sitting to pee, like. Yeah, Musa. Like I The sleep thing, I'm not proud And I know like I recognize it And I feel it

I felt it this morning I felt it coming into work today When I review the show It's not gonna be my best show But I trust me I want to sleep more If Emily was here She would tell like

I want to sleep more I just There's not enough hours in the day To achieve what I want to achieve Writing wise show wise and like life wise. I mean, you are wrong about that. You can deprioritize some things.

However, we love you for who you are. Yeah. You know? And I need you to sleep more in the off season. Yeah. I need you to sleep more during September and October. I'm not crazy enough to ask you to sleep more over the next two weeks. But you can't bank it.

That's the problem. Like there are times when, you know, I'll sleep, I'll sleep during a show. Three, four hours a day. No, no, leading into a show in July, I'll sleep well. You know, those three weeks we had leading up to training camp, there was, I wasn't watching the West Coast baseball games. I was going to sleep at a reasonable hour. God bless you. But, I mean, I don't know if my peak performance was felt during the fantasy show that I did on July 10th or something, right?

Well, you did frankly say that your favorite shows that you've done this year were before the season started in the offseason. I thought our draft coverage and free agency coverage was awesome last year. I really did think. And I'll say this. Like we're doing well right now. And these next two weeks are really good. But there is, when you talk about like a time allocation, this job is different during the season and it is during the office season.

I learned about this job last year. This is the first time I was doing a daily show. And during free agency and the draft, like the entire focus is on the show. You're not going to this availability and driving from the facility to here and sitting in the locker room and waiting for jail and Hertz. True. So like if you have. You're going to write a book.

That's what it's going to be called. But I'm saying, but if you take four hours of the day that we're at the facility and you allocate that to preparing for a show and you know there's a certain cadence, you get in a rhythm, I thought the quality of the shows lead. I came into every free agency show last year and every draft show like prepared with what I was going to talk about. We had those positions. We knew three weeks in advance.

Like this is the day we're talking about this position. That's the day we're talking about that position. And I felt really sure. Sharp last year for those shows. So it's just, it's not that way during the season because you don't know what tomorrow holds. Steven says appreciative of ZB for his tireless effort and work. Thank you. Amen.

Speaking of that, we have one more segment, Zach. We have to go the locker room report. Who presented by Valley Forge. We've talked about Valley Forge already, but you know all about it. You can discover hidden gems, endless activities, and tons of places to stay in Monco, get started planning that next getaway today, ValleyForge.org, make it family time and make it Monco. Zach, what was the favorite thing you saw in the locker room as they celebrated yesterday? So I'll keep pointing to jail and puffing the victory cigar because to me, this is like,

I don't want to say it's performative, but it's like jailing, it's, you know, it's like that person who holds the bottle of line for celebration. Jalen's done this twice since we've been in there. the NFC championship game two years ago, the NFC championship game this year. And so to me, it's something like, here he is, and the way he does it too, look, I'm not a cigar smoker,

but he makes it look so cool, like Michael Jordan. No, like, the way Michael Jordan, like he's not, he looks like Michael Jordan with a cigar. I'm not with you on the cool thing. Okay. But I actually do believe, Zach, that maybe the most insightful writing into the way that Jillen Hertz is wired that has been done

since he's been here is yours about his fascination with Michael Jordan. Oh, thank you. And like how much he tries to cosplay as Michael Jordan sometimes. That outfit was like straight out of Michael Jordan in the 90s. The pants that wide. It was ridiculous.

Yeah. And like, you know, the earring and all that stuff. Yes. And I think that is absolutely right down the middle for that. Yeah. So there's, and like he can wait until everyone's gone if he wants to. He can do it like at home. Absolutely.

Doing it by his locker. And by the way, this isn't, you know, I know Jeff McLean had a picture up and Jory Epstein had a picture up. And so then I was like, all right, if other people are taking it, I'll take it. The Eagles had their official photographer right there in front of him taking the photo of him. Yeah, he knows what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing. So that stands out. I would say the team dancing, but honestly, I keep going back to, I said this on the on the show.

There's a lot of behind the scenes people who contribute to the success and like seeing their happiness and their joy. Because like these got, you know, a scout's not going to like celebrate a win. You know, they're not going crazy after a win. But like you see people on the field. Yeah. Yeah. Or like you see people on the field. And here's here's one actually that I didn't know until I was scanning social media early this morning was I saw a video footage of Nick Siriani talking to Nikobi Dean. Love that.

That was really cool. And that's one of those ones where like that's why the guys love Nick Siriani. You know, like that. And we were talking on the show yesterday about guys you feel you feel good for you feel happy for. I think Nicoby Dean is actually pretty high up on the list. like to have had the season he had suffer the injury you know make that sacrifice

but what's it for yeah and that's what he's that's what he told the guys as I was talking to some guys in locker room he's like I didn't do this for us to stop like go get this thing and for them to continue on and get there and he's watching from afar and nick's face timing him that's awesome stuff yeah well said uh all right well thank you to valley forge for that locker room report by the way thank you for watching on fast

if you are there's a little bit more of the show to come check it out on all p hl y You know what the other piece of video that I really loved and I said that to you as we were texting back and forth at two in the morning trying to book our flights home from Nalans Playoff Fletch the the the Zach Ertz fletcher Coxhug a very long You know two guys who have been forged in the fire together we've talked about I think I think that nucleus of guys Yeah I don't feel bad is not the right thing but they know how hard earths took it to have to be the one to leave and for him to play like an awesome game. Yeah.

He would, like, I'm happy for him. Yeah, absolutely. That was great, but obviously he's not, he's not happy about the loss. That was a really touching, touching moment between the two of them. Well said. And I think it speaks to,

if you're, if your teammates with someone and you win with someone, you know, it's, it's that line you walk together forever, right? And there is, there is validity to that, that, um, that there's a bond. And you see that,

with Chris Long and Bowen in the locker room. But, yeah, that hug, you know, Zach Ertz kind of B-lines over to Fletcher Cox. Yeah, there's a lot behind that hug. That was great. Great stuff. All right, Zach is Zach? One other thing I'd be remiss if I did not ask you. Bill Simmons from the ringer.

He had a little nugget at the end of his or during. Or Bill, as EJ likes to call him. I would love if I can call him Bill. Yeah, this, I would love if I can call him Bill. You can call him Bill. You can call him Frank. I grew up reading Bill Simmons when, you know, when I was in class with Julia back in middle school and high school, I was reading, I would print off in the computer lab, I would print off Bill Simmons columns. And I read every one of his columns.

I miss him as a writer. On my senior page in high school, there's a line about Bill Simmons in there. Bill Simmons was such a big part of my youth. But anyways, Bill Simmons had a nugget. Do you want to tell or should I tell? Go ahead. that the Boston Celtics, who are for sale right now, they pared down the potential owners,

and he said one of the potential owners or the people in the bidding is none other than Eagle's owner, Jeffrey Lurie. Your reaction. Boo! My reaction is, first of all, it explains the snow. Explains the snow. Yeah, selling the snow for $50 a pop. I don't think that's going to put a dent into Celtic sales.

Listen, every little bit counts. There was a lot of snow. Looking for pennies under the couch cushions. You got to get what you can get. Man, that's not going to the Eagles Autism Fund. That's going straight to the Lepricon Fund. Your understanding, your guess, complete supposition, is that this would not be Jeffrey alone.

My guess is to be part of a group. Like knowing what the Celtics cost, number one, or what they're going to sell for, number one. but also Jeffrey is involved in owning the like he's he's a day-to-day owner right right now he he's yeah he's a day to do he he he knows what's going on with the team um and that's i've spoken to him about this that's the owning that's the ownership style he prefers right um he's hard to do that when you own two teams sure uh Josh Harris is probably an example that he owns four teams but uh so I would imagine it's part of group I don't know this was the first I heard of it I can say Jeff

for Lori is a devoted Boston Celtics fan, right? This isn't like, this is the team that's for sale. It's a team that he's, actually the Eagles were the team that was for sale that he bought, right? That's the team that became available. The Boston Celtics are like the passion team for him. He like takes Devante to NBA finals games, right? Yeah, he's from New England. We know that.

We know that. EJ's in the chat. He says hearing us say his name was a jump scare. EJ did great work yesterday on the field. I was envious of him. Good work by E.J. Now make it, make sure that everybody notices that in the chat as he writes his own name, he's going no periods on EJ, just EJ.

Yeah, the Lurie thing is a little bit of a surprise to me, only insofar as the book on him among the, like the owners, is that he's the most cash poor, like of all the owners in the NFL. So it would make more sense if he is part of a group. I want to say the most, but yeah. Okay. Yeah, but okay, yeah. Towards the very bottom.

Obviously, he sold off part of the team this year. Yes. We didn't know what that would be for. You could connect those dots, obviously. Yeah, it doesn't shock me. Yeah, I mean, it's a little bit, you know, after spending a week making fun of Josh Harris. Sure. It's not quite the same, but it's, it's, it's, it's, it's not, it's not.

They are rivals. I mean, it's the six or, it's the biggest rival. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, but it's, it would be worse if, I mean, I think it's, if the Eagles were a rival with, with a team in New England. You know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, I think it's very similar.

It's not, it's not totally dissimilar. Yeah. As you reviewed the tape from the postgame show yesterday, how did you feel about your reaction to the, the Josh Harris paddles? You were very upset. Yeah, I was frustrated by that. I just thought it was like...

We had been waiting all postgame show to break those bad boys out. I thought time and play, like, you know, I come up and this is a big spot. Like, you got to understand, I'm not on the show for two hours. Like, you know... We were saving the bit. I get 20 minutes. And like, I'm trying to, like, really provide value. And I just feel like I'm a prop in a...

in a humor show, right? And so that's, we're getting there. We're getting to the stuff. It's not going to be the whole segment. So, yeah, so that, yeah, I shouldn't have worn it on my face, but that did perturb me. I mean, you were, you could basically see the steam coming out of your ears. Yeah, yeah, well, I didn't, I wasn't prepared for it. I thought you were going to lead with Zach.

No one hears in the, in the audience. I'm sorry, no one here is in the locker room, right? You're, you're, you have, you have your senses. You're, you're there. This is, this is, this is, this is what you're here for. And it's like, just this commitment to the bit that, I'm like, like, are we still on this, right? So that, yeah, that was a little frustrating. Listen, Julie and I worked hard on those.

I don't know. She was taping him. I was scissoring them out. People say Zeeby have a, have a little fun. Like, all right, maybe I'm not fun. Like, I don't know. That, I mean, that show was a celebration, you know? I don't know.

It was, it was kind of like. I don't want to get into it Should we have opened the show that way instead? I Yeah, I'm saying out of that one I don't think this is productive for on air Yikes No, I don't

I don't think it's productive for on air I don't know what value I'm providing the audience by hashing that out They want to know you more Good thing I'm on every day So they probably know too much about me frankly All right. Anything else you want to talk about before we get going?

So, yeah, so I think Brandon Graham has a radio show tonight. Yeah. I have no problem promoting other places. They, you know, I just want to put that out there. Oh, no. Who wants to hash it out on the show? Yeah.

I mean, I think we're all in the same media ecosystem. We don't have to pretend places don't exist. Brendan Graham has another show. or he has a show on WIP. And I would imagine Brandon Graham might break news tonight. So make sure you listen in. And then the Eagles, they were off today. I believe coaches had a chance to take a breath today.

Nick was talking about how underslept they were. Yeah, so a lot of sleep deprivation on that staff. They're back in tomorrow. I don't know what the player schedule is for tomorrow. My guess is it might be a practice week, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. The team heads out to New Orleans on Sunday. We head out to New Orleans on Sunday. I'm excited for that.

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