PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Remember Me? Maybe Saquon Barkley is the KEY to getting the Eagles offense unstuck

Episode Date: December 3, 2025

For all the talk about Jalen Hurts, A.J. Brown, Kevin Patullo and the struggling Eagles offense, perhaps Saquon Barkley is the key to getting the Eagles back on track when they have the ball. Things look close in the running game, and even a little Tank Bigsby might not hurt. EJ Smith and Bo Wulf make some predictions for the final five games of the regular season and discuss their thoughts on the Hard Knocks premiere, with word from Adam Hoge as well. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody. How you doing? Welcome to the P.H.O.Y. Eagles podcast live from the Xfinity Studio. And presented by Bet365 and Ashley. I'm Bo Wolf. To my left. E.J. Smith, looking at the little Paul bunyanee today how you doing my friend i'm doing well that's just the that's just the broad shoulders oh wow yeah i appreciate that asking out for a lighter lighter burden ask for broader shoulders

oh yeah there you go that the one start the day off with a saxium hopefully everybody can uh can appreciate that great i'm doing well uh just came from coordinators i do i did feel like it was a little bit more of a somber atmosphere at the nova care complex today uh you know understandably so Well, we will get into all of that on the show today. We're going to talk about Kevin Petulow and what he had to say today. Vic Fangio with a couple bits of potential news in there as well. We're going to do a little turkey time. That's right.

We've got a couple categories about the final five games of the season. And we're going to put our turkeys on the line. EJ's got some predictions. We're going to hear from Adam Hogue, our all NFL analyst. And then whatever else we've got to talk about. Hope you're doing well out there. and in P.H.O.I. Sicko land. By the way, love, love getting the messages from people about the Eagles show being at the top of their Spotify raps. I mean, that's, that's as good as it gets.

It's very flattering. They got a special video as well. Yeah, they did. Although, I'll be honest with you. I think you can get the video even if it's not top. Really? Yeah, because I think you can find it. It doesn't play automatically, but I think you can get it. But still, even if, I don't know about you like obviously the number one spot like that is very flattering yeah if we're in the top five at all you know I really do appreciate those people I knew you're I mean I

appreciate them but they're not the same the people who have it at number one I mean those are the true sick of it's special it is a special thing I really do appreciate them shout on to the cousin of Defob Brad the great Brad Rudder who sent me a note that said his cousin listens to every single episode

and he was only in the top 3%. Wow. There's some real sickos out there. So does that mean people are listening to episodes more than once. Like they're going back, going back through a second time for the Easter eggs. He's not finishing every episode. There are Easter eggs in our show.

We reward people who really listen. So, you know, maybe some people are listening to Times Over. Okay. Let's get into the news from the Nova Care Complex today, EJ. And just to circle back, do continue to send those, please. We'll love to see this. Yeah, we do. Anyway, Kevin Petullo.

Obviously, the person who is like the most talked about person in Eaglesland right now, this is the first time we've heard from him since the Bears game, since some of the stuff that happened over the weekend. That was obviously way over the line. What did he have to say? Yeah, you know, I think the overall tenor of his press conference, I think it's fair to say that you could tell that his home being vandalized, his family being dragged into this, did have an impact on him.

Of course. Yeah. How could it not? Understandably so. Yeah. Like, as a human being, it is quite obvious that this is something that you wouldn't be able to just, like, shed and go into work and act in its business as usual. So I'm not saying it's a surprise. I'm just saying that it was obvious today that you could tell when he talked about it,

that it's something that clearly got to him and to his family. So there's a real human element for sure. I want to hear what he said, but it also speaks to how stupid it is the people who have done that because not first of all you should go to jail second of all you are a detestable human being third of all you're only going to make the team worse he's not going to do a better job now yeah i was going to say like the obviously the people who did this aren't thinking this through very very deeply but like there is a very obvious it doesn't help like if you want kevin petulah to do better at his job hegging his house isn't helping that yeah exactly you are exacerbating the pressure

that he may feel now we can get to what he said he talked about i thought it was interesting he chose to talk about how positive his experience has been with the eagles over the last five years he said i've been here for five years now and it has been awesome this is such a unique place to coach and play it's very special we've been to two nfc championship games we've won at lincoln financial a super bowl the parade it's an amazing atmosphere to be a coach and a player as coaches and players we all know part of our job is to handle criticism but when it involves your family obviously it crosses the line that happened and at this point we've just got to move on so again he he really did he clearly was trying to emphasize the positive experience he positive experiences he has had

with the eagles but i'll be honest with you i've covered a lot of coaches press conferences before and i can i i know what it is like when a coordinator is under as much scrutiny as he is under right now and this did evoke memories of some of some of the press conferences that you had with brian johnson some of the press conferences you had with Sean Desai in particular even like the first season with Shane Steichen and Nick Siriani and it is

there's a real human element a human side to this that I think is important to discuss Nick early last season as well yeah absolutely you know especially the Browns game when he brings his family up to the podium I think that whenever

your family gets dragged into this it's an intense town and again Kevin Petulow pointed out that that intensity that passion has a positive but there's also a negative to it at times when people, you know, people's families get involved, and really when it kind of just spills into like a needless or an over-the-top criticism. And I do think we've talked about it, and I think Kevin Petullo will be the first one to tell

you that he has a role and why the Eagles offense is struggling so much. Of course. But I also think that he has become this easy scapegoat. Yes. And it has become easy to go while they've returned 10s, 10 of 11 starters. Nick Siriani's still there. We've seen these people be successful on offense. it has to be Petulow and obviously I think all your listeners will know like it's much more

nuanced than that it's much more complex than that but I think it is also important to say that in light of what what has gone on with Kevin Petullo in the last week yeah I mean I think he was probably more gracious than I would have been um listen let as for all the reasons you said he's maybe not doing the best job sure that's probably true he's not the only one at fault it's not his fault the offensive line is taking a huge step back it's not his fault Gillen's missing open receivers. It's maybe it's, it's his fault that the sequencing is not right and we're not, we're running 100% hitches and all that stuff, like that, that's all true.

But you can also understand why, you know, if I were him, you would feel some kind of way. Like, we did win the Super Bowl last year. Yeah. I was a major part of that. We did go to the Super Bowl three years ago. I was a major part of that. I've been here a big part of behind the scenes, this unbelievable success. and this stretch in Eagles history

that will never be replicated and you're coming after my family like yeah I'd be furious I'd be like I don't even want to do this anymore now he's obviously better than than me on that front but yeah like where is the motivation now it's it's it is a

it turns the team into a much more insular thing and it's it's a real bunker mentality now when you saw it on hard knocks last night which we can talk about where it's really like oh outside these walls everything's cratering down but it's you know it's us against the world and the world includes our own fans you know the level of eagles fandom is obviously a huge net positive it's the reason we have jobs but i don't i don't know

that it is a healthy situation in the relationship between the fans and the building right now oh i completely agree i mean i think that you look back at the 2020 collapse, I do think, like, the pressure cooker that this city can become is a contributing factor to that. I'm not saying it's the primary reason, but it is a contributing factor. Even you zoom out, like Ben Simmons, Markov faults, you know, uh, Jalen Rager, you know, there are examples of high draft picks with a lot of talent struggling in this town because it is.

It's a heavy scrutiny town. And I'm not saying that that's a negative. Like, I think the way you put it, a net positive, absolutely, but a contributing factor for some of maybe the bizarre things. Yeah, and you have to be wired in a very self-motivated way because, you know, if you're, you know, it doesn't apply to guys on the periphery of the roster, but let's say you are, you know, Sequin Barclay,

or even, it's probably not even the coaching staff. It's more about the players, right? If you're getting called out and, you know, Sakel and Barclay is not going to lose any money depending on how this team goes. Sure. and you know what like if I'm gonna get my off-season and I'm gonna also make you more miserable by losing like I don't know

that's not I'm not gonna lose sleep over that yeah if that's the way that you feel about the fan base right at a certain time right like obviously you care about your teammates you want you want the team to do well that's the whole point in coming to work every day but like you can allow you can see how those thoughts would would seep in once it becomes this just filled with animosity yeah yeah I want to throw a comparison out there for you that kind of separate from the human side of this and you know I think we have made it clear like that we I at least for me I do feel for Kevin Patua I think most people would yeah in this in this scenario but separating that going back into like looking at his

role as the offensive coordinator and the play caller and I'm not saying this is like this isn't an educated guess this isn't something where it's like I think that something has happened here I just it did remind me of that Sean Desai Press conference when he has to come out pretending that he's a defensive coordinator still, even though he obviously kept the title, but he has to come out pretending as a defensive coordinator still

when there's a change internal. I do think it's on the table. I think given the historical context, I wrote about this earlier this week on all p.h.a.com, given the historical context of Nick Siriani's coaching changes, I don't think you can just take Nick Seriani's word at the beginning of the week that they did not.

make a change on the office of the staff no doubt so to me and i think that it could be just because of all that we just talked about it would be very understandable if the mood of kevin petullos press conference was reflective of the fact that this has been a tough week for his family but again i just it did remind me of the shan desai press conference because of the fact that like it feels like there's a lot going on so uh and he was asked about if the process the operation on offense is different even though he is still the play caller. His answer was, no, I'm still the play caller.

So I don't know. I think... I really feel like... For him to say, I'm still the play caller, I believe him. I believe him as well. I think that there's room

for other things to be different about the operation, other voices to be more amplified. I think what I would say with confidence. I have two things, but here, go ahead. Here's what I would say with confidence. We will... We will learn if something changed in a month.

We won't know right away. Maybe not a month, but we do not know if there were changes coming out of the biweek. I think. You don't think so? I don't think so. And I think that there is a very, I think there's a chance, I would say even a good chance, that something will change operationally, but Kevin Petullo can still be the play caller, and that could be the case, whether it's, again, whether it's like Siriani's voice

being louder, whether it's somebody else on the staff's voice being louder. It wouldn't, it wouldn't shock you at all. But you don't mean to the game day operate. You mean that in the game planning process. Yeah, maybe it's a game planning process. Again, like, I think it's obvious that it's hard to hide who's actually calling the play. No, I'm not suggesting that Kevin Petulow's like Phantom Playcaller. I think that they're, I think they're like coming out of that Bears game, it was obviously something had to change.

I doubt that Nick Seriani's conversations with Jeffrey Lurie and Howie Roseman and the brain trust of the Eagles organization, they're just like, yeah, just keep doing it exactly the way that you're doing it. So to me, I think there's room. for things to be different with Kevin Petula still being the play caller. And I don't think, I think that, again, Nick Siriani just saying it doesn't make me feel 100% that that's the truth there. He has

been dishonest about it in the best. No, but I think Petulow saying it makes me believe it. Yeah, but what else would he say? Well, you know, one thing is like they cannot say this is in 2023 and then just do the exact same thing they did in 2023 of

like playing this charade. And the other thing is, I know, like, they, they, they, uh, lean so hard into, like, every little competitive advantage. And that's the reason to do it, to obfuscate. Yeah. But to me, I think the best thing to do if you, if you want to, if you want to play that game is say, you know what? I actually haven't decided who's calling plays yet this week.

And then make them prepare for everybody. No. I mean, yeah, could be, could be Leffler. No, because I think there is a real element here as well. We talked about it earlier on the show. Who else could it be? You got to keep going now. Jason Michael.

you know who the chat would want you to say could be Julian could be Julian I was going to say that now I lost my train of thought if you're going to do that lean into it all the way I mean do you think it

Jeffrey you think it could be Jeffrey it could be Jeffrey it could be Jeff McLean how would that work he could find a way okay it could be big Dom more plausible I know what I was

to say we talked about this earlier in the week, the reason why I don't think that Nick would do that is because I think that he views Kevin Petullo and the, I think he needs Kevin Petulow to work out if he wants to have say over his staff moving forward. And for that reason, I think he will, I don't think I think, I think, I think that ship has already sailed. Obfewcate. I've heard you say it a lot. Obfewskate. That's an SAT word. I like it. I know what it means. I just, I haven't, it's okay. I haven't tried to rip it off on a podcast yet before um but no i i think that he is going to be invested in keeping kevin patulo in that role and finding a way to make it work but again i think that there is that still leaves open the door

yeah for it to change operationally a little bit yeah so okay like i said i think we'll find out in the coming weeks what actually happened over the mini buy okay that's all i'm saying time to take a little break to hear from some sponsors we'll be back with much more on the other side here on the BHLY Eagles podcast. Bet365 has a 90 million users worldwide on a live stream over 700,000 events each year with early payout offers across the NBA and NHL. Bet365 pioneered live in-game betting, and today they offer the widest range of games and markets available for live-in-game betting

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de vikoni just a night oh a 25 dollar or is that a different um i think that's a different currency hmm that's all right n k very uh very generous even nonetheless and another one oh Hi from Norway! Yeah. Could the HBO cameras add tension? Hmm. Where in Norway? 25% Norwegian, you know.

Oh, are you really? Oh, yeah. I like a Norwegian soccer team. Oh, yeah? Yeah, I mean, they got some good players. Okay. Speaking of soccer. I know.

I totally forgot. Oh. Wow. This is a cover-up, literally. Wow. Oh, 2.30. My team, Aston Villa, plays Bo's team, Brighton, at 2.30. We can call it the P.H.O.I.

Now, do you go Derby or do you go Derby? Darby. You go, like, proper pronunciation there. Ronald Derby. Yeah, the Derby. Yeah, I literally. Ronald Derby. I didn't want to go, like, full Elliott Shore Parks wearing like a soccer jersey around all day.

Okay. Elliot got a lot of FaceTime on. I saw that. That was good. He did the job. I mean a good job He just bashed Thanksgiving food If it was me

You wouldn't say he did a good job Well I don't agree with his takes But I mean that's usually the case with Elliot I thought he did a great job Oh wow shots fired at our guy Elliot I think he knows that Yeah He got a lot of FaceTime on that show

Yeah I thought he did a great job Yeah I know we're gonna have to figure I think maybe we put We actually do put it up on the computer And just react live Not during the Hogue interview Because that would be rude

That would be very During the rest of the episode Maybe we have a tight show today We can go watch it. Just like a crispy 61 minutes. I had some delicious reindeer when I was in Oslo. I like Oscar Bob. He plays for Man City.

I would take him at Villa. I like him. Nice. I can drag this out. I can bring this back up. Lindsay lets us know that the... It's not the first time you die. I know.

The croner, the Norwegian crone is equal to two and a half U.S. dollars. So that's a very generous donation. Thank you very much. Antonio Nusa. There's a phrase that lives on in, so Rachel and I, we went backpacking through Europe after

we graduated. Yeah, that's a big flex. Yeah. Thank you, Liddy. Back in 2011, 2010. And we went to Oslo, and there's a phrase that still lives in my a Norwegian phrase that still lives in my brain forever, which is just the sign for

No parking, which is parkerting for boot. I love that. Park cutting for boot. Forbidden, forbidden parking. I like it. Santiago was a super check. We didn't even answer his question. We just talked about Norway at all the time.

I'm just naming Norwegian soccer. That's a fair question. I do the HBO cameras add tension. I feel like even in the scenes you saw, it was like sit down interviews with Nick and Jalen. it was micing which it's not going to affect it was practice which it's not going to affect that much and then it was in meeting rooms yeah and even that those are like sort of cameras that are already set up it's not like a roving cameraman so actually i kind of feel like it's i feel like it has

a little bit it'll be more like in the locker room this week yeah but the thing is i mean the team has control over what cuts out so i don't i don't really think it's going to add much tension what did you make i know you guys talked about it and if you haven't if you have only now just caught up on the Hard Knocks episode and want to have a more in-depth discussion, Jamie and Vigy and EJ did a nice job last night, but now that you've slept on it, anything that came to mind that you wanted to unpack?

Yeah, maybe you can help me with this. Just like Brandon Graham was kind of the therapist for Nick Siriani. Maybe you can be my therapist on this. On one hand, I thought the clips of Jalen Hertz, taking accountability on the sideline, coming up to his teammates and talking about some of the miscues that they had, I thought it was a good window into his leadership style

and something we don't see very much from it Yes, but I loved seeing that Okay, so maybe you'll talk me out of this Because it made me, it made me like want to buy in on Jailen more I I'm of two minds about this Because on one side I kind of I agree with you I thought it was a good window into his leadership style

And I thought it reflected well for him I also do Kind of think like The that is what you're supposed to do you know you saw jeff you saw jeff statlin's reaction when jaylin's like that's on me i you know i fumbled and jeff stoutlin's like yeah yeah you know on one hand it is a good reflection of his leadership style because we all so often see him being the stoic figure on the bench not talking to anyone but at the same time it is kind of a low bar taking accountability

for your mistakes you know yeah that's true that's i I really don't know where to come down on this set. I think it reflected well on him, but I also think, like, that's what you should do. But even like seeing Devante come over after that play, and it's like they are working through it. It's not like they're just going to their separate corners. Yeah, it probably makes you feel better about the state of things

because it isn't like, I think sometimes it's easy, especially, I mean, after some of AJ's press conferences this year, it's easy to think, man, these, and he didn't talk to AJ in this, so. But it is easy to think these guys are also frustrated that they've kind of gone into their corners and stopped discussing and stop moving forward. And obviously, that is what you saw on the Hard Knocks episode yesterday

is that that's not the case. But it is also kind of not actually that surprising that Jalen's walking around saying like, I fumbled, that's... Yeah, that's true. You know? It's less about the fumble. I thought the fumble was more table stakes. Here's where I'm coming down.

And the Devante one I thought was more interesting. This is my final verdict on it. Okay. it is a good reflection of Jalen Hertz's leadership but it is also Yeah it's not great that they're still doing this It's well I guess the thing I feel good about is that It hasn't gotten to a point where he's not doing it

That is that is the silver lining there That is the positive sign of like it would be Because I keep thinking it would be worse if he wasn't doing it So it's good that he's doing it It reflects well on him that he's doing it It doesn't it is kind of the bare minimum Yeah. It made me, watching it made me feel better about Jalen and frankly, worse about Nick. I would agree with that. I just... I mean, the way they edited it, it's fine. Maybe there, but there was no there there was like,

man, we're just going through adversity, but boy, is it going to be great when we get through the adversity. Nick is just so process driven. He's so process obsessed that it doesn't necessarily come across, like, succinctly, or like, yeah, there's no there. It's just kind of... And I really... You know what I really didn't like? This is like a thing we've complained about for over a decade now, which is just the boasting of... Man, I don't even get to work out anymore

because I've got to be sleeping in the office. Like, we're going to... I'm glad you brought this up. He... It's diminishing return. You are... You are... If you are unslept and unhealthy

and you're not at your best on game day or during the week, that is worse for the team. Also, get some sleep. I'm calling... BS on this a little bit because you know as someone who is currently scouring Facebook marketplace to try and find a treadmill so I can have

something to work out I mean we have a we have a bike too but I want the treadmill get some steps in after you know a long day at work when it's getting dark out now so I can't do the evening walk with the dogs got to get the treadmill so I can just go downstairs and walk he's got like the state of the yard gym downstairs

like I'm not saying he's not busy but come on man you don't you he has the the tablet, you can take the tablet and walk on the treadmill for 45 minutes. It could not be easier for him to just squeeze one in. Yeah, you can't be like, I'm too busy to work out. And listen, I am an absolute hypocrite here. Like, hang on. Oh, sure.

I will find any excuse to avoid fitting it in. But to be like, I can't work out because I'm too busy. You got like an incredible gym right down the hallway. So I don't know. That is a great point. Some other like very silly takes from the episode. did you know they were spitting sunflower seeds in the indoor facility yeah somebody has to clean that up it's not like it was actually the you know is a wind was a big topic it's not like the wind's gonna blow

those away you're right somebody's got to clean that up you like a sunflower seed I do you know I actually went through a sunflower seed phase this summer because I loved them when I was a kid and then I just decided like yeah I'm just gonna like sit outside and have sunflower seeds oh interesting just sitting outside with some seeds yeah sitting in the backyard okay my dogs are probably eating those seeds okay I mean is that bad for them it's I mean, they seem fine. Probably shouldn't eat a lot of it. I, like, used to take real pride when I was young about, like,

taking, like, a big handful of them and just putting them all my mouth and, like, working them from side to side. Of course. Yeah. I'm not as good as I used to be, though. They got good flavors now, too. Have you had them recently? Yeah, but I don't want the flavors.

I just want the salt. Oh, no. I want, like, the taco. Every now and then, every now and then, like, maybe a handful of the ranch or the barbecue or the, like, the dill pickle. Yeah, I like the weird ones. But, you know, if I'm taking a road trip, give me a nice sleeve of just salty. Okay.

I respect that. Old school. Yeah. All right. We've got to take a little break here to hear from some sponsors on the other side. Adam Hogue joins us. We will get the Bears reaction to their stomping of the Eagles. Some other thoughts about the state of the NFL.

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amount of snaps that they played. He talked about Jalen Carter said he's dealing with the shoulder injury still, and that that's been hampering his play. I asked him if Tyler pushed around in this game. He did. I asked him if Ty Robinson would, like, factor in at all, like, because of the fact that they just, I mean, they're playing Carter, a ridiculous amount of snaps. Yeah, and Byron Young has been pushed around as well.

Yeah, Vic gave, Vic definitely no-sold that. It was, uh, possibly. Ty Robinson yeah on Ty Robinson yeah yeah I think they'd like that pickback yeah I mean he's supposed to be ready made so yeah all right let's do it let's bring him in Adam Hogue from CHGO and our NFL all city analyst how we doing Hogue hey guys good you guys uh why are you wearing your shirt yeah I guess we're also we're all supposed to be shirtless this week no we're I look I we all saw what Ben Johnson look like under that shirt I do not looked that same way um so i'm gonna keep this hoodie on i i wore the the cover up hoodie over

the soccer jersey today yeah because i didn't have enough confidence to just wear the soccer jersey that so i mean yeah must be nice for ben johnson all right so you got to you got to really watch this eagles team up close playing at their best on friday um what were your what have you heard from the bears in uh response to that game in the in the way that they went about game planning for just kind of ripping the heart out of this Eagles team. Well, I think that's what was so shocking about the game, at least on our end, but as even somebody who obviously hasn't been their day to day, like you guys have been with the Eagles,

but has been following him from a far all season. I did end up picking the Bears in that football game, but it was more of a gut feeling based on the vibes, because it just felt like these were two teams headed in different directions, and sure that played out, but it played out to a level I did not expect. I did not think that like before,

just you guys are aware, before Friday, the Bears had not put together a 60 minute performance yet, you know, from start to finish. And, you know, other than that little blip

in the middle of the game with the roughing the passer penalty and the Eagles went down and scored and then Caleb through the interception. So let's call it like it was a 57 minute domination of the, you know, bears over the eagle.

I didn't foresee that coming. And so I think that that was on one end, I think you look at it in Chicago and you're going, okay, it's time to take this team for real because they just did that to the Eagles, one of the more physical toughest teams there is, or at least they were. And the Bears, you know, just really put it to them the entire time.

So I think looking at it from the Eagles perspective, I was even going into it knowing that things haven't been great, things have looked clunky offensively, that type of domination, um, was surprising, especially considering how banged up the bear still were on defense, even getting some of their defensive backs back. So it's, I mean, that's got to be caused for concern in Philadelphia right now just offensively, um, especially, and we can get into a little bit of you guys want, but some of the things I saw from Jalen Hertz in that game concern me, just some of the decisions that were made, uh, some of the throws he didn't make at times.

So, look, I don't think it's time to be like, all these seasons over by any means, but there's a lot to fix in a very short time if you're, if you're the Eagles right now. I mean, we might be there. Who knows? I mean, listen, there's no doubt that that was the more concerning side of the ball. I mean, the defense did get pushed around and and beat up in a way that they really only have one other time this season. And that was in the Giants game. And we thought that that was behind them after the Jalen Phillips edition. And this was a new defense now and an elite unit.

Obviously, they were not in that game. and they were probably ill-prepared for defending the run in that game. But they played a lot of snaps the week before. They played a lot of snaps in that game. Obviously, the offense was not helping them out. There are some things that you can excuse it away with. The other side of the ball, I mean, as you can tell us, the bear's defense, like in the middle of the field should have been there for the taking.

And it did not look like that was the game plan they put together. And it was certainly not anything close to the game plan they executed. Yeah, I mean, look, when it comes to what happened to the Eagles defense in that game, um, I'm going to chalk it up as kind of a bad week and a good job by the bears. Yeah, I think so. Yeah.

Yeah. Um, I, I, I'm not necessarily concerned long term about anything over. I think when you look at really the run schemes and even Ben Johnson had to adjust in the middle of that game, I thought that there was a moment where we were, we were doing our watch along in Chicago like just screaming like, why are you, why are you throwing the ball so much right now? when you can just run through them. And I think a lot of that just had to do with the schemes and specifically how they were able to handle that,

especially the two awesome defensive tackles up front and kind of set up those cutback lanes throughout the game. So I think a lot of that was just scheme. And let's give the bears their credit too. That's a good offensive line. I mean, it's legitimately like we're at the point where we're like, the bears might have one of the top three offensive lines in football right now.

And so sometimes you just got to say, hey, look, they put, they put it to us. It they had turned out they had an advantage that maybe we overlooked going into that game. And that's just how it played out. So I'm not necessarily concerned over there. When it comes to the other side of the ball, like obviously there's just something fundamentally, schematically wrong with that eagle's offense right now. Like not much is clicking.

It's been that way all season. Sequin's not the same guy. I noticed him on the tape, like it looked like avoiding contact a couple times. in the past protection, which surprised me. Like there was one, actually, I think it was the Hertz Interception that Kevin Byard got. The, that pressure came up the middle from Andrew Billings at the one technique. And it looked like Barclay was right there. He could have helped.

And I get that Andrew Billings is like a 350 pound. Yeah. I'd sound like I would want to get better him than us. But he was just like, no, I'm good. And, and that kind of forced to hurts to flush out and then make a, to me that's just scouting like I get what he's doing both of his receivers is the scramble drill so they start to go down field you feel like you're going to have him but jalen hurts man Kevin byard leads the NFL and interceptions it's a very atypical for him yeah uncharacteristic from yeah it's just like under to me it was him just underestimating how much ground Kevin buyer could cover but dude that right guy right now is probably an all pro this season so you got to know that coming in the game so I just thought that was one of the weird decisions that hurts made in that you need it like it was You need to understand how wild it is for Eagles fans to hear that Kevin Byer. I was going to say maybe Jalen was expecting the 2023 version of Kevin Byer to be to be back there because yeah, it's been surprising for us too, like how good he has looked this season.

Don't get me wrong. But even the two point conversion, you know, and I get that that's later in the game, but they seem to have that rub route on the right side and he just didn't throw it. I don't know why I didn't throw it. It looked like it was open and would have been two points. And instead he came off and just basically dirt at the ball. It was a weird game for me trying to look at what Hertz was doing throughout that game. Yeah, I was going to ask you, we are so in the weeds here with the Eagles pass game. Like we talk about it, you know, almost every day trying to make sense of it.

I mean, zooming out a little bit, I guess watching it, what did you see that you would say, like maybe like the blame pie, right? Because Kevin Petula has been a big topic of conversation this week. But I guess when you watch back the passing game against the Bears, what stands out is the reasons that they find themselves struggling so much despite all the talent that they have. Well, I think the number one thing is just a couple words that come to mind

are one is disjointed and more of a phrase like the lack of chemistry. Yeah, you're seeing. I think it starts with though, and this isn't groundbreaking analysis or anything, but I think it just starts with going from having such a dominant run game last year and a weapon in Saquan-Barkley

and trying to adjust to the fact that for whatever reason that's not there. you know and um you know the thing i bow i think it was you last week on you know with us pointing out that if you just kind of go man for man across that offense it seems like everybody's playing just a tick worse than last season and you add that up over 11 positions that's a significant drop off um so i think that's kind of what you're seeing i it me defending the eagles defense it's kind of the opposite for me on the offense i would be ringing some pretty loud alarm bells, as I'm sure everyone in Philadelphia is right now with the

offense, because you're talking about a bear's defense that doesn't really have a pass rush, he was playing with not just backup linebackers, but like their third and four options. I mean, Amin Agbong, Bamega wasn't even healthy the first half of the season. And he was signed a year ago to be a special teamer, not somebody who's playing weak side linebacker and looking good doing it. you know maybe demarko jackson you can pass off as somebody who was just overlooked for a few years in new orleans and he's found a right fit and maybe he's an actual player but come on i mean like there there's got to be there that offense to me has to look better against that bear's defense in that game so it was it was pretty shocking for me as that game played out to feel as comfortable as the bears did on that side and just be like and they have to look like really threat they have to look like they're taking into account in the game plan the things you're talking about at linebacker like it didn't look like they entered the game being like man they are super weak here let's attack them and that that way it didn't seem like that was a plan at all and the only thing i would say that they probably had to adjust to but again it wasn't like we weren't talking about this in chicago all week so if you're a coach for the eagles i feel like you should be able to figure this out but um you know obviously with with jalen johnson coming back and kiler gordon coming back in the secondary the There was a lot of talk here about, okay, well, what are they going to do with CJ

Garner Johnson? They can't take them off the field. He's played too well. And sure enough, he played 100% of the snaps. And they just found, you know, different combinations. And they used a lot of dime personnel. But what I'm talking about here should have been stuff that's in the game plan. Yeah.

If you're looking at, if you're the Eagles and you're like, what are the bears going to do with the personnel they have? Well, that's kind of the most obvious thing that was on the table to do. So any type of adjustment there should have happened a lot. quicker. So I don't even know if it, to me, it's, it's not so much just about adjustments and just like what just isn't there at this point in the season. Guys, it's December. We've been talking about this all season with this Eagles offense. And it seems to be getting worse, not better. What are the short term? How, like, how are those answers going to come here in such a short

period of time with five games left to go? That just seems like a stretch. All right. So the NFC is now incredibly jumbled. The bears are at the moment, the number one seat at top, atop the conference. which is nuts. But congratulations. That's fantastic. Let's set aside the NFC South. You know, Tampa Bay and Carolina will figure out who gets that spot.

Eight teams for six spots. Who gets left out between the bears, the Packers, the Lions, who are now two games back and on the outside looking in, the Rams at 9 and 3, the Seahawks at 9 and 3, the Niners at 9 and 4,

the Eagles at 8 and 4, and the Cowboys at 6, 5, and 1 just a game and a half. back. I was going to say you are mentioning the Cowboys in there. Okay. I was going to shots fired to Dallas. If they're not in there. I think they are very alive. I wouldn't shock me if they actually win tomorrow because talk about another offense that's been disjointed and seems to be trending in the wrong direction. That's the Detroit Lions. I mean, they have to me a must win game at home tomorrow night. And what's actually a really good Thursday game.

That's a great game. I didn't even know that was that's great. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The Cowboys get this, this is unfair scheduling. They get this every year. They should not get a Thursday game after a Thursday game. Yeah, well, so do the Lions, right? So the years where they're on the schedule. Yeah, that's true. That's true.

Well, they don't play each other every year, right? But most, a lot of years they do because they're both NFC teams. When they do, this is almost always the Thursday game. The first week in December. So I get it. To answer your question, though, I mean, the team. The team, so you put the Seahawks in there, right? The Seahawks are good, I think.

I'm just kind of looking at the standings right now. Green Bay has been very up and down, but seems to be trending better the last couple weeks. Obviously, another great game this week, if not the best game on the schedule, is Bears Packers on Sunday afternoon. So I think we'll learn more, again, how legitimate are the Bears and how legitimate are the Packers at the same time in that game. I guess San Francisco is the team that scares me the least outside of that.

you know it but there all of these schedules pretty easy right yeah it is that's the thing and that's why i feel like they'll still get get in there but their defense really hasn't been that good and i don't they don't really seem to have the personnel that it's going to all of a sudden get better so in terms of a playoff matchup but based on their schedule they might still get in there i don't know if i have a great answer for you i don't think the eagles are going to fall completely out of it like i'm still going to give them the respect i guess it's on the table but I still feel like Vic Fangio, that defense, those players, Jalen Carter still played really well in that game,

I thought, going through the tape. I mean, that's like doing the worst games. Well, see, that's how good he is though, right? Like that's, you know, like he's not a great bad with him sometimes.

Like, you know, the improvising and maybe not playing it's fundamentally sound. Like it comes at the, you know, you get the, the special plays from him because of that. And,

and you know what? He may, he may have had, you know, a handful of bad snaps, but I was just catching. It was still catching my eye. like even right it towards the end of the game on one of the last plays.

He bulldozed darn out right. And so Bears fans here in Chicago are taking a victory lap. See, we did the right thing. We let the Eagles have Jalen Carter. We drafted darn all right. Both teams can be happy with those draft picks at this point. I'm just saying like 98 was still pretty dominant at times in that football game. So I'm going to trust the Eagles defense to keep them in there.

All right. Obviously. And, man, it's a great question. Are you whacking the lions or the or the Niners, I guess? I think Detroit might be in trouble. guys yeah I mean this is a huge game on Thursday it's like an elimination game to some degree I'm gonna say gut feeling it's the lions who get caught out good but that's based more on this schedule yeah like I think the lions are better than the 49ers so let me quick let's

look at Tennessee Colts bear Seahawks the last two weeks so that's tough for the nineers easy schedule yeah for the nineers nineers have yeah Tennessee at the Colts, Bears, Seahawks. Those last three weeks are still tough. And still got to play the Rams on the road. They got the Steelers, the Vikings, and then they finish at the bears. It's going to be very, very exciting. Tough run.

A couple of really good games at the end of the season. I mean, if you think about the Bears play the 49ers in week 17, then host the Lions in week 18. Yeah. Good stuff. It's going to be good drama. Yeah. We love that.

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Yeah, I need the consolation after Asson Villa concede. Oh, John Paul Venecker. That was good. Is it hard to keep track of all the players that you guys have in and out the door? Not really. also nanya being a chelsea fan get out of here with that it's an investment portfolio pretending to be a soccer team i hate chelsea they are everything that villa aren't they just buy players don't get too like a hoity toady and puffing out you're no i will like ashton villa we do it better

we are about the struggle please Chelsea just buy players left and right they don't even want the players that they buy, Josh Norris said this, and he's so right about this. Like, Chelsea's, the players that they buy, whenever you get an exciting new player at Chelsea, you know that their greatest moments will be somewhere else. They're going to sell them, kick them to the curb, and keep the hamster wheel of player investments just rolling through. It's no way to live. That's not what sports are about.

Okay. Let's get to the turkeys. I got some questions for you. Yeah, and I got some bold predictions that are tied into some of your questions, just some. So it's going to be like a surprise when you ask me a question

if I have a bold prediction for it. All right. Fran explained to us on Monday that the running game against the Bears actually looked not bad. Yeah. And maybe close to getting towards respectability. So it's possible, I think,

that the Eagles, you know, do what they do every time they've struggled before, which is just turn the dial to the running game. It hasn't worked this season because the offensive line has been very good,

but maybe this is the path. How many turkeys are you putting on Saquan Barclay's 100-yard rushing games over the final five games of the season? The categories here are zero, one, and two plus. Now, the teams are playing.

The Chargers, mediocre run defense, Raiders, mediocre run defense, commanders bad run defense Bill's heinous run defense Sagina Barclay has one rushing yard

100 yard rushing game this season where you put in your turkeys I really am I mean I knew we were going to talk about this one first because it was the thumbnail that's what they tell you put make it the thumbnail and then talk about it in the 50th minute of the show that's how do you tell you

I don't feel good about this one, but my fifth bold prediction, Sequin Barclay does not rush for a hundred rushing, or does not surpass 100 rushing yards again this season. Do I feel great about it? No, but he's only done it once this season, as you mentioned earlier. And I know what you're, like, you, you were pointing to the mediocre and bad run defenses the Eagles are facing, but they just, I mean, I understand that the run game looked

better against the Bears, but how many yards is Saquan Barkley have against the Bears? I should have had this handy for the show. You're not even going to help me here. He's got 56 yards against the Bears. I don't really, I'm not, I don't, then the thing I wanted to point out is that the Bears run defense is, he has at least bottom three in almost every category that we look at, success rate, EPA per rush, and just generic yards per carry against.

So I'm kind of done with the like, argument. Okay. I'm done with the argument that, oh, this is a bad run defense that the Eagles are going up against. I agree with that. I get it going. I just, I don't see it. And especially how many 100-yard games do you think Tank Bigsby will have? I was going to say, especially you factor in Tank Bigsby's potential inclusion into the run game, rotating in with Saquan Parkley. I don't feel great about him having a 100-yard rushing game for the next five games. Okay. So how many turkeys you're putting? I'm going to put 60 turkeys on zero. Wow, 60 turkeys. I mean, it's my bold prediction. I got to go, I gotta go hard on it. I would say 20, 28 on one. Okay. And that leaves

me with 12. 12. Nice job. Look at you. I'm getting better. End of the year. We're learning some math. Yeah, I don't feel, I mean, you, maybe you'll talk me into it and maybe I will eat these words, but I just, it's like we've been talking about the Eagles running game. Oh, this is the week that they finally figure it out. I'm kind of just, they're going to have to prove it for me to, to believe different. I'm going 24 on zero. I'm, I'm going 51 on one. I think he's going to get one. Probably not the right bet, but I'm doing it.

And then 25 on 2 plus. I don't know. So we've neither of us feel great about this. Neither of us feel very convicted about it. No, I certainly don't. Frank Barber with a super chat says E.J. More likely, Tank Bigsby has a 100-yard game or the Eagles make the Super Bowl. Probably tank Biggsby having a 100-yard game.

I mean, it's happened already this season. could happen he's had a hundred yard game didn't he go over 100 against the giants oh did it because he in no yeah i guess you're right i think i do honestly it is it is a little bit silly that he hasn't gotten more touches he's made a lot of the touches give him some more touches yeah i agree uh okay next up our next turkey question for you sure flash on up there is kevin petulo Kevin Batula finishes the season as the Eagles play caller Yes or no

Eagles play caller yes I would say Turkeys on that 70 And I'd say you're already I thought you were already saying That they maybe made a change No I don't think that Kevin But I think Kevin Betula

Will probably finish the season As a play caller I think that If I had to guess And again this is not an educated guess This is just speculation I would I imagine that by the end of the season Especially if things turn around

We will learn like Nick Siriani had a bigger hand in the offensive plan or the opening script. Whatever it is, there's going to be something that changed this week. It's just not the literal play caller. It's more about the operation. I'm going 68, yes. 32, no. If they make the change, it's going to be in what, the next week or two?

That's the thing is that if they're going to make a change, now is the time to make the change. because you have a little bit of extra time and if you're going to do it you've got to see if it's working and how to tweak whatever this new process is so if it's not this week it's almost too late. Yeah, I agree. Unless they're out of the playoffs and then you can

just do it in week 18. All right, let's go to this. Still just wait for the off-season. Probably. Yeah. Let's go to the defensive side of the ball. Let's talk a little Jihad Campbell who played no snaps in the last game over the last four games combined in this

It's in the Kobe Dean Renaissance. Jahan Campbell has played 23% of the snaps. And so this time we're spreading your turkeys between over the final five games of the regular season, Jehad Campbell plays 0 to 10% of the snaps, 10 to 25, 25 to 40, 40 to 60, or 61 plus? I'm going to put 30 turkeys on 10 to 25. This is going to be my leader in the clubhouse. I'm putting 50 turkeys there Yeah maybe I'm maybe I'm going too low

Sorry this is more my math Troy Tillowiceky This is just my math Struggles more than anything here I'm gonna say I'm gonna say 35 For 10 to 25% And then I'm gonna say 30 for 0 to 10

Or wait now That's it But like you say you got 25 left Or 35 left I got 35 left Yeah I'll say 15 for 25 to 40 because you know they're all right yes I'll say that and then what do I have left 10 so I'll say 10 on 61 plus because I mean 40 to 60 I'm leaving zero on 40 to 6 oh just because he's

it's either going to be injury related yeah he plays more or he's going to settle into a much more a much more much more limited role I don't think it's going to be zero though because I think again I take Vic Fangio at his word they probably need to I think they need it a little bit more yes Yeah. I think it's going to nestle solidly in the 15% range. Yeah. I'm going 50, 10 to 25. Okay.

15 and 0 to 10. I talked to you into the 60 plus. 15 and 25 to 40. Oh, no, I didn't. 2 and 40 to 60 and 8 and 61 plus. Yes, I probably. could have used the abacus for this. Next up.

Darius Slay. Big play, Slay on waivers after getting whacked by the Steelers. Some people wondering, I thought he was a veteran. Why is it going waivers? Well, after the trade deadline,

everybody goes on waivers. Yes. Is Darius Slay an eagle again? I would say this season. 65-35. Favoring yes. Really? And I have a bold...

You think it's happening? I think it makes a lot of sense for it to happen. Like the Eagles traded for Jaya Alexander because they wanted like the veteran Kenny still does he still have it does Unx still got it type of player they lost Jaya Alexander Darius Lay I think he's they I mean they'd have more confidence in him than they had in Jaya Alexander I think he'll make it to him on waivers our friend Jimmy Kemsky did the legwork on the salary cap stuff here it is actually much more palatable to sign him off of waivers

financially than I thought it was going to be it's like a much it's a minuscule amount of money that you'd have to pay you would just let him pass through waivers and then sign him it depends on if you think I think that really the only other team that stands out to me is like a real possibility on waivers would be Detroit

and Detroit would be ahead of the Eagles on the waiver wire because of they're ready so I guess you could let him pass through and just sign him for the vet minimum or sign him on the practice squad That's what I would have expected Okay, yeah, I think that also makes sense If you're worried about waivers though

I think they could still claim him It's not financially prohibitive So I think 65, 35, the 35 is mostly That he wants to go back to Detroit But I think it makes sense And I have a bold prediction tied into this The secondary integrates At least one new starter

Before the start of the playoffs So you include Marcus Epps Yeah, I think Marcus Epps Starting at Safety is probably I mean, Marcus Epps has already surpassed Citi. Yeah, he was ahead of Citi Brown on the depth chart. Vic Fangio did not close the door on Marcus Eves being the starting safety against the Chargers.

I always want to say the Rams. It's bad. I'm so sorry. Yeah. I'm going, yeah, 59, yes. Okay, so we're in the same ballpark. I think he is coming back. Do you think he starts if he comes back, though?

Maybe the next, the second week that he gets back? Yeah, I would agree with that. Yeah. It could be two new starters in the secondary. Mm, tuna. You like a tuna? Um, I don't dislike tuna, but it's not like my favorite. Tuna fish in a can as a kid.

And kind of still one of the grossest things. I mean, just the smell disgusting. Get that way from me. Absolutely not. But a nice, you know, a nice, uh, ahie tuna or a tuna roll. Yeah, I'm in. Spicy tuna. But tuna, bumblebee tuna.

Oh, no, thanks. Nobody wants to hear that sound. You know what? People will want to hear the sound of because... Overtime! Jamie was talking to him before you guys got here. I had to button my shirt back up, Aspenville conceded again. An own goal!

I think both of them were... Listen, when I... We played high school soccer. Two-nothing. Most dangerous lead in soccer. Yeah, it is. Especially early in a game. Yeah.

Because they're going to start, they're going to change the way they're playing. Most dangerously. You know, Villa have been on a good run. Like, they have been playing kind of out of their skin. So this was bound to happen. But it hurts that it's happening against your team. It hurts that it's happening against your team. I wear the Ollie Watkins jersey instead of the Morgan Rogers jersey.

This is on me. There's a stink around Ollie Watkins right now. I wonder what kind of own goal it was. You think it was like, you know, like a shot that was going off goal? I can probably tell you. bound it in, or was it, you know, a true howler of a goal where, like, you know,

keeper kicks it off his back and then it goes in. Those are fun. It was a deflection off of Pal Torres. I can tell you that much. Hey. Let's get back to the bold predictions. Let's get back to the bold predictions. Next up, the defense.

Eagles defensive success rate, where do they rank? over the course of the final five games. So this is just the final five games of the season. Right now, they're like 14th in the NFL. One through four, five through eight, nine through 15, 16 through 23, 24 through 32. So they're in the top four, the next four, or the second quarter, the third quarter, or the fourth quarter. Where have they ranked in the last four weeks, do you know?

I was in the process of looking that up right before the show started. I'll get it. And instead, we read some ads. uh give me yours and i'll uh all right i'll have my answer uh now the the offenses they're going up against mostly mid except for the bills i'm going 29 no 35 turkeys on 5 through 8 one turkey on 24 through 32 10 turkeys on 16 through 23 I don't know how many turkeys I have left yeah but say what did you lost count so let's say 27 turkeys on 9 through 15 and the rest on 1 through 4 okay I was

hoping that hearing your numbers would help me but they they have not the eagles have ranked 11th in the last four weeks uh in success rate, if you take out the Bears game, they go up to ninth. Okay. While you think about it, I'll tell you that Wanda BGM, our good friend, says that he has

grinded the film on Big Play Slay. He says he watched all of his third down reps in coverage. He has lost a step, but he can still play. Steelers' coverage scheme and how they want him used are both highly suspect.

He thinks he would be an upgrade over Dori Jackson, not knowing necessarily if injury is a factor here. I still have a good amount of confidence in the Eagles defense. So I'm going to go 20 turkeys on 1 through 4. I'm going to go 40 on 5 through 8. I'm going to go 35 on 9 through 15.

And that leaves me with... Just 5. And I'm going to, yeah, I was going to go 2 on 16 to 23. No, 3 on 16 to 23 and then 2. on 24 to 32. Okay. That's a good division by me, at least. I got a little lot for a first grader.

I mean, listen, you can lob insults all you want. I always said I wasn't a math major. All right, the big one, and this is the one that you guys can weigh in on as well. When does the Eagles season end? With a Super Bowl win. but the Super Bowl loss in the NFC championship game

in the divisional round in the wildcard round or does their season end in week 18 out of the playoffs I can go first I got a bold prediction the Eagles are going to win three of their last five games

and be the number three seed in the NFC which would give them a home game a home game in the wild card round that I think they will win I don't think that they will win in the divisional round you want me to pick the team that they lose to you don't have to okay I'm not going to so I think divisional round

you want me to do turkeys I'm gonna stand on this 90% or 90 turkeys 90 turkeys 90 turkeys they lose in the divisional round I mean that's a crazy use of turkeys it's not a good use of turkeys uh 60 division around um 20 wildcard 10 nfc championship and then five each in the super bowl okay i don't think they will miss the playoffs i have the eagles win the super bowl one turkey the eagles lose in the super bowl

four turkeys the eagles lose in the nfc championship game ten turkeys the eagles lose in the divisional round 29 turkeys the eagles losing the wild card around 41 wow so you think this is 2023 all over again the eagles missed the playoffs 15 turkeys oh man you're panic meters high you think the cow you you love the cowboys if the cowboys beat the lions tomorrow night they're a game behind you were like the end you are the opposite of stephen a smith like you actually like the cowboys i do not like you're going to the studio i made watching the cowboys i think dad prescott is a phony but the real ones the eagles are not good right now

the chat no half back the chat knows that you like love the cowboys please you watch because i correctly said for the season that they were going to be better than the commanders and were a more likely division champion i was right you watched hard knocks last night just like i'm right about everything just skip to the cowboys parts of the hard knocks episode didn't you no but you know what is funny i didn't skip the cowboys parts but then i did skip the giants and commanders parts i mean they were other than jackson dart not it was more just because i that was the sequence of events and it was like okay the eagle Those are done me to get.

Jackson Dart not knowing where wind comes from was fun. I enjoyed that. And then he was trying to point out where the ocean was and where New York City was. And it was very classic, nostalgic P.H.O.I. Eagle show because he's like, it's that way. No, it's that way. No, it's this way. I like that. That was nice.

But, I mean, just watch the whole episode. I heard other journals today going, oh, I skipped through the other parts. Like, just come on. I know we're all busy, but like, it's 9 o'clock. Just watch the episode. I don't have kids. Lindsay, how you doing? Oh, all right.

We'll solve for Lindsay. I got on the board. Two one. I told you. Most dangerous leading the game. I'm good. E.J., last thing. Wait, that's all Lindsay had to say.

Yeah. There was so much buildup. Oh, she also has the graphics for the results. I need to see that. From the poll on YouTube. All right, this is via X. When will the Eagles season end? Looks like the leader here is when Elon Musk takes over the world.

And that's the only result that we have. As for the YouTube results. Week 18. eight percent no playoffs wild card round 41 percent that's exactly what i had 41 turkeys 18 on the divisional round and then 33 on combined NFC championship super bowl there you go some some confident with listeners and followers out there my question for you yeah went home yesterday debriefed on the show talked about it with your julia thought about it, let it ruminate?

Would you like to take back any of your takes about the airplane situation? And did Julia agree that you were absolutely incorrect? You know, it's funny, Julie and I did not talk about that. We talked about a lot of other things yesterday, but not that. I would just like to reinforce that if this old man had a medical emergency or there was something serious going on

that changes the scenario, I would like to be respectful of the potential for this old man having a medical emergency or something going on. But the way that the story was presented to us was that this old man was uncomfortable. And if it was just a matter of discomfort, I stand by what I said. I feel fine about it. Loser. Do you think Jamie was laughing at us? No.

No. no he probably is a little behind the scenes Jamie's office is right over that wall here and sometimes we can hear each other sometimes okay good stuff Ollie Watkins got on the board I wore the Watkins jersey

I never said a bad word about him I definitely didn't say there was a stink around Ollie Watkins like 20 minutes ago good episode today that'll do it for I was going to say do you want to do a guess the player oh yeah I'm going to lose to bow twice today now no I think this game's going to end in the draw all right here we go guess the player gets a player I guess the player gets the player eagles starts with the eagles drafted by the eagles presumably then the commanders the commanders or the arbor and the bucks

Then the Eagles. This is Deshawn Jackson. Oh, yep, yeah. Rams. Ravens is next. Then Raiders, then Ravens. Deshawn. Woo.

Boo-boo. I don't know if I would have gotten. I mean, I would have gotten it eventually, but yeah, I don't know why I'm so bad at these. If somebody out there can tell me how to get better at these, please email me. EJ at all P-H-L-H-O-I.com. Hours and hours of film study. No.

10,000 hours, baby. I am familiar with DeShon Jackson. I just, I don't know. When I'm looking at the logos, it's just so hard. There's so many players in the world. I try to give you clues when it's like an old team. I use their old logo. I like that.

I can't say the name. Yeah, we can't say the name. We did miss some super chats. What do we got here? Santiago says there is one constant with these underperforming offenses with great talent at skill positions Jalen Hertz need to trade him McKington

McKing oh I like that I don't just I don't agree with the premise but yeah I mean the framing of that the constant with them being good is also Jalen Hertz I do think this offseason

how many turkeys are you put on Jillen Hertz not being the quarterback for the Eagles next year can we do this in the off season I mean you know don't have the conversation just answer the question in turkeys. Not being the quarterback? Not being the quarterback.

Like seven. Okay. I do think, though, Nick Seyroddy and Jalen Hertz, we talked about it, like the partnership, the way that they could navigate this, it's not pretty,

but they might need to change the team building philosophy that they have on offense and lean into a completely different approach. I think that they could be less talented and more committed to being like a run first physical team with Jalen Hertz at the center of it

I understand that like he has to be willing to be a running quarterback and be part of the run game in order for that to work but I don't know it brings me back to something I said a few years ago about Jalen Hertz and I still think it's very true I think the flex

I mean no I don't even know if I might no it's not I'm not trying to flex I just it still reminds me of the very prescient thing that I know those years ago. No, but this is a take. This is like, this is a take.

You might disagree with the premise here. I think the best version of Jalen Hertz and I think the version that the Eagles should want to have, like the version of Jalen Hertz the Eagles should want is like the Cam Newton like career arc.

Like he should be a runner his whole career. And if it means that he has like a shorter career, I mean, obviously like not, you want him to be healthy. You want him to retire like Cam Newton and be happy and healthy. But in terms of like if there's wear and tear from that, so be it like the best version of jalen hertz is the triple threat that he talks about so for me

that's the conversation that we would be having before we'd be having a conversation about moving on from it okay it's a good answer yeah what do you think of the cam newton comparison because he had a short career but he was awesome for most of that career yeah like i'd rather have cam newton's career arc than russell welson's if that makes sense i'd rather build my team around cam newton than Russell Wilson is what I would say. I don't have to think about that. When Russell Wilson in his prime was very good. Yeah, but he had a he had an elongated career,

but his prime probably less dominant than Cam Newton. I agree with that. Yeah, you give me five years of like superhero play than like nine years of like But obviously then you get to that is not what is the best thing for Jalen Hertz as a person. Yeah, but again, it's not like Cam Newton had like a debilitating injury. It just, you know, but he's now making his money doing hot takes. Yeah. I mean, I mean, I'm still in the league.

Wearing those weird hats. Yeah. I mean, I don't, I'm not saying like, oh, like concussion uncle it. I'm just saying the quarterback inclusive run game element of Jalen's game is part of what makes them special. All right. That's all we got for today's PHA Y Eagles podcast, bovertime. You need a little lecture. A lot extra.

Tomorrow with 2 o'clock. The great Les Bowen joins E.J. in studio. We will hear from Malcolm Jenkins. And if I can make it, I will. That's what we got. Flyers game tonight. Check out the P.H.L.Y. Flyers podcast

with Charlie and Bill and the whole gang and the post game show. And then on Friday, not one. Not two. not three but four hands with Fran Duffy and the professor for an in-person swooper

and a preview of the Chargers game for all of us here especially Lindsay we thank you for watching we'll talk to you tomorrow like the video subscribe all that good stuff and as always we love you Thank you.