PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Revisiting our bold Eagles predictions: The Year of A.J. Brown? Kind of!

Episode Date: October 29, 2025

Brandon Graham and Cooper DeJean join the PHLY Eagles show with their thoughts on the Eagles’ 38-20 win over the Giants while EJ Smith and Bo Wulf revisit their preseason bold predictions, including the Year of A.J. Brown, Zack Baun’s ascension and more. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Paris already. This is amazing. I am thoroughly impressed by your French skills. This is like beyond just like taking this in high school because you had to. This is a, I like how you like get into the character of it too. What? What? Now is the ho-ho-ho, is that offensive?

Like the Parisians? I appreciate that. So I shouldn't be walking around France doing that. Come so, come so? So are you going to try to do the entire show? No, no, no, no, no. That's about all I got. That was very impressive.

Hats off to you. I don't actually speak much French. I speak very survival French. Even that might be a stretch for me. Yeah, say bon. That's about all I got. Okay. Yeah.

We got a lot coming up on the show today. We're going to hear from Cooper de Jean and Brandon Graham. A couple of separate segments there. We are going to revisit our preseason bold prediction. at the halfway point here, but first we've got to hear about what the coordinators had to say, and let's do it. E.J. through the prism of the ACE hardware temperature check. Visit ACE Hardware homeservices.com to get started on your next project. Tell us are things Trey Show or Trefoie? I think Trey Shaw? Yeah, it's close enough. I thought Vic Fangio's

explanation for Jahad Campbell, his decrease in playing time was interesting. He basically said that because they were so light at edge rusher during the week that Jahad Campbell ended up needing to play or during the practice week, he played more as an outside linebacker, even with the nickel defense. Previously, he had been limited to playing outside linebacker with the base defense, but again, as they were lighter at that position, it just wasn't like a clean week of practice, McFangio said, for Jahad Campbell, which led to the uptick and snaps for Nicolocchio. at off ball linebacker by comparison. So I don't know.

He said moving forward, it's a good problem to have that they have the three of them. There's never a good problem to have. Yeah, it's not encouraging for Jihad Campbell's like. I feel like the only, anytime a football coach says it's a good problem to have, it's a lie. The closest thing I can think of is I have six Super Bowl rings

and I don't have a finger for him. Yeah, but that's, I mean, I don't even know if you'd call that a problem. I think it is a problem. It is like, I think that is always like when they say it's a good problem to have, there's always something there that's like, it's not ideal that your first round pick who's played well has taken on a smaller role because he, his versatility is almost working against him in a way. Yeah, I mean, if, if they didn't have N'Cobi Dean there, I find it hard to believe that just because they were light on the edge that would have meant all of a sudden that Jihad Campbell was spending half the week in outside linebacker meetings and Jeremy. or Maya Trader Jr. was playing those snaps, right? Right.

They wouldn't, they wouldn't be doing that. Now, maybe you could argue if Dean wasn't back yet and they were still this light, this light on the edge, maybe they would have elevated, you know, Antoine Powell, Riland or something like that, just to have an extra body. I think that's possible. And for the record, we have got the unblocked podcast with BG coming out tomorrow, and we did talk a little bit about Jahad Campbell. And he said, like, he was in there meeting rooms for part of the week.

So that does track. I am curious to see how it goes after the buy because it is, you know, it's not ideal, as you said, that your first-run pick who has looked good and Vic Fangio of all people talks about the importance of reps and how valuable those are to take those away. I don't know, it's not great. Yeah, no, it's not ideal,

but I also think it's important to point out that like BG obviously is making, probably will be back on the side of the buy. So let's see what happens when, and Nolan Smith, I expect to be back at the buy as well. And Vic Fangio talked about that and talked about how he feels good about the Eagles edge rusher room, you know, in anticipation of the trade deadline. We're going to talk a lot about the trade deadline, you know, over the coming days. Well, I guess we won't, but there will be a lot of discussion about the trade deadline over

the coming days. And I think what stood out to me about Vic Fangio's press conference is how dismissive he was of like the idea of adding to the defense. Like, you know, he was asked like, okay, like how much, you know, is it, is it a die week coming at the time that it is advantageous for like scouting guys, you know, seeing it like looking at film for guys and he's like no not really um and he said that he had minimal uh you know input in what how erosman's going to do before the trade deadline now do you fully believe him not necessarily but i do think maybe minimal relative to the amount of input he would like to have

yeah that's probably more that's probably an accurate framing um but i did think it was notable that when he was talking about the edge rusher group he said that they are in good shape there and then when he was asked if that group is where it needs to be he said it has to be um which does not i mean I mean, again, I think that there is, if there's like the right edge rush around the market, I would expect the Eagles to be interested in that. But I do think it's interesting the way that he's framed it where it's like, you do have guys coming back. And I think he feels good about the group as it currently is situated. Yeah, I think this is going to be a really interesting thing to follow.

Yeah. What's your, what let's, if I tell you when the Eagles line up on Monday night against the Packers, they have both Brandon Graham and Nolan Smith back, how do you expect the reps to be? allocated at linebacker. I'm going to guess that Nekobi Dean is still the base linebacker. I think that you will see more Jihad Campbell as the nickel linebacker if it's not a role that he has to like split between outside and offball. I think I think that he is a better linebacker in nickel for the Eagles than Nekyllis than Nekobie Dean. Even that one, you know, the route down the sideline where Nekobo Bedeem was in coverage like you just immediately, I remember

the second it happened in the game. I remember thinking like you kind of wish that was Jihad Campbell in that situation. So it's weird because he just, it's, again, most of the time we see in Vic Fangio's defense the last two years, like that the versatility is rewarded. You get more jobs because of the fact that you are a versatile player with Jahad Campbell. It kind of does feel like he got penalized a little bit by being able to wear multiple hats for the defense. Yeah. Okay. How about on the offensive side of the ball?

What did Kevin Petulow have to say about the offense and how interesting they were able to be without AJ Brown? he didn't mention the AJ Brown He didn't mention the AJ Brown of it all too much But did talk about the under center looks I found it interesting again Kevin Petullo is kind of in his like Shane Steichen era in the in just in the sense of like he doesn't reveal very much Up at the podium but he did talk about how the under center looks have really helped out the run game And talked about like Jalen Hertz is the work that jalen Hertz has had to put in to be to facilitate that

and facilitate the balance that they've had the last two weeks. And, you know, it's, we've talked before about how Jalen had, there's a notion out there that he's not comfortable under center, but I think like it's also fair. And, you know, this is something that he mentioned, like, it's fair to point out that, like, most quarterbacks coming into the NFL haven't been under center very much in their career. And maybe it's not an express, like, unwillingness to do it,

but just like a curiosity or a lack of confidence and, like, what it would look like if Jalen Hertz, you know, had to operate out of under center because we just haven't seen him do it very much in his career. You know, Jalen obviously said on Sunday, like, he enjoys it. And I think Kevin Petula really, like, harped on, like, how much work Jailen put into, get the offense to the place it's in now. And I actually have, like, an interesting take about this.

Oh. So I think, like, one of the, one of the interesting things about this season has been watching, like, the post-Super Bowl 57 Jalen Hertz experience. He's kind of like had to reinvent himself as a player in a couple of different ways. Obviously the turnover version from last year was the big story. And now the under center play action game, like, you know, being more willing to do things that are outside of his comfort zone, evolving as the way that defenses play him evolves. I do think it like it is, it's just the type of thing where you, you will hear other quarterbacks across the NFL, like, who are really resistant to certain elements of, you know, whether it's under center, whether it's, you know, motion. You hear quarterbacks being like taskmasters about motion.

I think the fact that Jalen has been open to these types of things actually is like a reflection of like what he always talks about. Like whatever it takes to win. It's like it's like an NBA player coming back with like they added the floater of the offseason. His or when you lose. Like whenever he loses a couple games, it's like what am I going to add? It's not in the off season. Yeah, exactly. Because yeah, they lost.

They lost the two straight. He's like, you know what? I'm going under center. It's time. So no, it feels like he sort of like. And he sort of like reinvented, reinvented himself. Really, it seems like every time that they go through the adversity, he finds a way to reinvent himself.

I think he deserves credit for that. I think that he is like a, I've been pounding the table as him as like a sneaky MVP candidate at this point. I think that it could be a real thing, especially with the way he's playing right now. And you can reinvent what's going wrong in your house with our friends at Ace Hardware Home Services. Go to Ace Harder Home Services.com to get started on your next project. I love an Ace Hardware.

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originally because he had like seasonings that I needed and I was going to get there late which is something we'll talk about later and he just left them out for me. But no, look, like it's just me sending him stuff I make on my grill. Dangerous path forward.

No. I just sending picks back and forth. I mean it's just like the most like middle-aged man text you could possibly have just like grilling activities. Shout out to Ed. Shout out to Ed. All right, anything else

from the coordinators that you found interesting? I thought Vic Fangio talking about the second outside cornerback position was interesting. We can,

I guess, yeah, we can go to the graphic in a second here, but I just wanted to first point out, he said he needs to see what Jacori and Bennett and Adori Jackson look like when they return to practice

before making like a grand determination about who is going to be that starter on the outside. I also did find it interesting. This is the graphic we have Lindsay of Vic Fangio talking about like Cooper to Gene potentially being an outside corner. Cooper de Jean.

Yeah, that was a layup for you in the French. The French, I don't even know what to call it an impersonation. So yeah, anyway, we got the quote up here. Vic said that they've considered moving Cooper to Jean to the outside cornerback spot. But he says, we've considered it. Yeah. But when you have one of the better players at a certain position, and it's an important position where you get involved more,

you hate to take a really good player at one position to maybe not be as good a player or as impactful a player at another position. But it's definitely something that we've talked about. I completely agree with him. I think Cooper de Gene can be a pretty good outside corner. I think what he offers you as a versatile chess piece and a defense playing multiple spots

and being physical against the run game. That was another thing that like he alluded to is like you can make an impact because you're closer to the action. And I really don't think, I just, I'm not really on board with moving him outside for that reason. Now, if you told me, and this is something that Vic talked about, like, if they had like a really good answer at Slot Corner and this is just like for the second half of the season, this is our best secondary. Maybe I could be talked into it a little bit more. But I think this Eagles defense, like Cooper DeGine's versatility is kind of like integral to what they do.

What do you make of the, they're just whack and Perry Nickerson with no replacement in the middle of the week? What's that about? I think it's a reflection of the fact that, like, they can get them back on the practice squad. I guess, but they're not, they're not filling the spot. Why are they in such a rush to do it? Well, it could be a BG, BG, Nolan Smith, and Jacorian Bennett. Maybe it's a, it could be a trade deadline thing, too, just, like, have the spot open already. Could be.

Maybe. Maybe. Maybe just get ahead of it. So, you know, it's not going to get claimed this week. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, it's also, like, I don't know, maybe they save money. I doubt. I doubt it's like that.

It's probably more just they knew they could get them through, get them through early, get the added flexibility. It's a good question though. I suppose. I mean, I don't know if it's an important question.

It's not important, but it's a good question. Merci. I don't know. What do you say to mercy? Esque jeepa leix. No, no, I can't do that. Say bon.

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Back on the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast. And we love when Vic, like, really leans in to the concussion uncle role, which you know, it's very down the middle for him. He lives it, he breathes it. Along those lines, what a, what a great job by him at the beginning of the press conference to say that the Blue Jays should not have walked Shohei Otani last night.

They should have hit him. That is some real concussion. That is some real concussion uncle stuff. Why, what are you doing? Just putting him on. You could dent him, throw the ball at him. That's like, that's exactly what you want from your GP. defensive coordinator. Yeah, I also appreciate it. His respect for the craft of reporting,

because I don't know if you caught at the very beginning of his press conference, he said, all the people who didn't show up today, we shouldn't televise us so they can't see it. Only the people who are there. Now, he may have been a few minutes early. I may have walked in after he said that. Really? Yeah, I mean, it's been a busy day in the Smith household. He went probably about five minutes early. I missed the first minute and a half of his press conference, and I'm taking accountability for that. But I did appreciate that, like, he, you know, these guys, like, all of my, like, mentors and journalism will tell you your presence is important and people notice it. I think that was a validating. That's the word of the week for me, a validating thing for him to say, even though I wasn't there.

I mean, what else did you have going on? I mean, I was just, I was packing. You know how packing can be? Are you, are you like a, got to pack like three nights in advance or are you, morning of. What have you, what about me suggest that I have, I am, I am capable of packing three nights in advance. I'm just, I'm so chaotic. I can't do it until it's like the last possible second for me to pack. So, yeah, I'm a procrastinator.

That's why I'm in this job. I don't know about that. You, you seem well organized, unlike me. What? I feel like you got your stuff together. You do a better job. You are not as good reporter as I thought. Maybe I'm just not a good judge of these things.

I am, I'm very chaotic. I like, I thought about doing it last night and I was just like, I can't do it tonight. It's got to do it in the morning. Yeah, that is a, earliest is night before. Yeah, no, but it's like so depressing to pack the night before. I don't know. My wife loves packing. My wife loves packing until it's time to really start packing.

And then like the time crunch sets in. But yeah, shout out to Julia, because she, my Julia, because she plans all this stuff. Like, and she's really good at it. Did she give you a packing list? No, I pack my, I'm pretty good at packing a bag. You're a big boy. And I'm good at folding the stuff and putting it in the way. Like, I take pride in like, I can get a lot of stuff in a suitcase because I'm very

economical with the way I pack and the Tetris and all that. I don't use packing cubes. But yeah, no, my wife is like, she's like the one that she's the itinerary creator. And I don't even know what we're doing. Like, I just show up and have a nice time. Must be nice. I think she likes it that way, though. I don't think she, like, wants me to meddle in her itinerary planning.

Is this weaponizing competence? Maybe. A little bit. All right. So, by week, the good folks at the exciting mics had their recording yesterday. So I had a chance to catch up with Cooper DeGine afterwards. Let's check out what Mr. DeGine had to say, sponsored by our friends at Boochies. All right, we are back on the PHLY Eagles podcast, and now presented by Bochy Jewelers.

It's time to talk to Cooper DeGine. Cooper, how you doing coming off a big win, getting ready for the buy? Great, great. Big win yesterday. Now into the buy week, so it feels good. Do you have, like, when you play a team, I know you asked a lot, you were asked a lot of questions about this heading in, like playing a team twice in three weeks or whatever, but was it like kind of weird on the field? Like I just saw you guys? Was it extra chippy or anything like that?

It was a little different because we did just see them like, I don't know how long ago. But it was recently. But it was definitely a little different. They did some different things, though. Then we saw the first the first game. But yeah, it was a little weird. That's the first time I've played a team, you know, that close together. It looked silly as far as I concerned.

Yeah, I think we do it with Washington, too, here. Yeah, at the end. Which, to me, why didn't they just flip those? Why couldn't it just been? Yeah, I don't know. It doesn't make any sense. I don't know. Anyway, we don't have to get into the scheduling mechanics and gripes with Roger Goodell, of which I have many.

Coup, in this game, I'm curious about how you feel about this, having been through last year, where, in no small part, thanks to you, the defense got so much better over the course of the season. I don't know why necessarily that might be, but do you feel like this defense has a chance to be on something of a similar trajectory? Yeah, I mean, I think so I think I think that's a that's how the season goes. You know, you're you just continually improve, you know, every single week. And I think that's what we've done as, as a defense. I feel like, you know, last week, you know, was probably one of our better, if not our best game of the season on defense to this point. And that's that's a good thing.

You know, we just we got to continue to get better each each and every week. And that's something that's been stressed in in the locker room. But you know, the guys up front played played really well. Back end played really well together. I feel like just everybody on defense was was clicking together. And you know, it was fun. It made it fun. You know, I know, there was a lot of smiles out there on the field laughing while also being focused. But it was good to kind of put it all together yesterday. The thing that looks most different to us from the outside is obviously having N'Kobi in the middle on some packages with Zach and Jahad flexing to the outside.

What has that been like for you? Yeah, I mean, they're both. I mean, it really hasn't been a whole lot different. You know, they're both, you know, great players, obviously. And we can do different things with all three of them healthy, which is great. Obviously, with jihad on the edge and N'Kobi in the middle. You know, but I'm just happy to see Nukobi back out there and his energy that he brings to our defense. I think it's helped us a lot.

You know, and it allows us to do different things. Like I said, with our fronts and with our strengths and with our structure. structure within the defense. Speaking of guys coming back who have a unique energy, what's it, what's it been like having BG back in the building? It's been great. It's been awesome,

just the energy that he's brought. You mentioned everybody gets a smile on their face. Yeah, I know. I know, because that's just the type of guy he is. I don't think, I don't think BG ever has a bad day. At least he doesn't, he doesn't show it.

Right. out there talking crap, the first day of practice. He was talking in warm-offs to James Winston yesterday before the game. But just the energy that he brings, you know, to the field, to the practice field and on game days is great for us. And, you know, his veteran, you know, presence as well for for young defense is also good, but, you know, I can't wait until he suits back up and and then pads. A couple more for you. I want to ask about Andrew McCuba, Cooper, because having been a rookie last year and

having played that position this summer next to Reed, I think you have probably as good of a perspective here as anybody. What has it been like watching Drew, you know, get the reps that he needs at a very difficult position for a rookie to learn? Yeah. He's been, I mean, he's been great since he got here. Just the questions he asked. You know, you can tell he wants to be great and wants to make an impact on our defense.

You know, but it's a tough position. You know, I was, I mean, it was kind of a blessing in disguise as much as I wanted to be out there the first week of the season last year. But it was, I think it was, I think it helped me a lot, you know, not playing those first four weeks on defense and, you know, kind of allow myself to get more comfortable within the defense. but you know we we threw him in there right away you know put a lot on his plate and you know he's handled it he's handled it well you know it's you know I've tried to put more on myself to to make things easier on him just communication wise and in the back end you know but he's he's done a great job he's continued to improve each and every week and you know we knew it wasn't going to be perfect right

away but he's continued to to get better you know each and every week what's he's like in the DB's room? He's just laid back. He's pretty laid back. Funny dude, though, when you get him talking. You know, ask a lot of questions in the room, you know, when we're going over game playing stuff and things like that. But he's a good guy to have around.

The coaches always talk about the biweek as like self-scout time, right? They can get back to basics. I'm hoping you can give us a bit of a behind-the-scenes self-south. Scout on, is there anybody who, like Eagles fans, aren't really aware of, someone who has not made a huge impact on the field yet, who has impressed you behind the scenes, whether that's, you know, on the field or something else? Yeah. You know, I think a lot of the young DBs in our room have done a lot of great things, you know,

giving guys looks on, you know, the scout team defense. being able to go up against, you know, the starters every single day. I think, you know, you saw some of them out there, you know, on Sunday. Mack, you know, he's been great, continued to get better, you know. And then I think Xavier Gibson. He's got some juice. I think once he gets, yeah, once we get him going in the return game, I think he could, he'll be a good

weapon for us. Okay, last one, you've got the cereal behind you, the Coops Crime. Now, I don't know if you saw this, my colleague E.J. Smith wrote a story about you this week, but he was asking Devante about the cereal.

And he's like, you know, Devante's debating that he's actually going to eat the cereal. I did see it. I did see it. I did see it. And E.J. is like, well, you don't really look like a serial guy. And like, Devante's face changes. He gets very, very serious. He's like, oh, I'll have some cereal up now.

Yeah. He's a big serial guy. So I want to know what serial will you eff up? What's on your like Mount Rushmore of cereals? Aside for my own, of course. Aside for my own. Captain Crunch. Captain Crunch and Berries is up there for sure. It's great. Cinnamon Toast Crunch. Can't go wrong with Cinnamon Toast Crunch. I don't think. throw the weaties in there. Okay. The frosted frosted uh, Wheaties.

Okay. Um, I'm trying to think. My beef on cinnamon toast crunches, I don't, I don't think soggy cinnamon toast crunch is very good. See, I don't eat cereal with milk.

Oh, I eat all my cereal dry. Yeah. Do you make sure? Put it in a bowl or you just like, yeah, I put it in a bowl. I put it in a bowl.

I still eat it with a spoon, put it in the bowl, but all dry yeah i'm not a big cereal with milk i've never been i don't know why interesting um yeah i also honeynut chiroes too i love to throw that at night that's the i feel like that's like that's like the most down the middle everybody everybody can be happy with honey nut cherries consistent yeah absolutely i know there's no milk thing for red flaggill's fans have i like i like the i like the sugary cereals so i mean i just feel like the milk ruins it kind of to me that what makes a good season is it's good both dry and once it gets a little bit wet, which cap and crunch does well.

And I imagine Kube's Crunch does too. Absolutely. All right. Rupertageen, thank you so much. Enjoy the bye week. Enjoy the time off. Everybody check out the latest episode of exciting mics. And thank you to Bootsie Jewelers for bringing us this segment here on the PHLY Eagles podcast.

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First of all, apologies for my mic. It's the same thing happened with the reed blanket of interview, so it's something about the interactivity with their recording software, but I gotta get a better mic. It's too tinny. I don't like that.

Doesn't sound good. Let's get into the real stuff, though. That's getting the real stuff. You go through life trying to give people the benefit of the doubt. You see people, you see strangers on the street, you try to think that as a human being too. They feel like I feel, you know, they have families. They've got ups and downs in their lives. We're all part of this together.

And then you go through a week like this where all of a sudden you meet three different people, E.J. Smith, the professor, and Cooper de Gene, all of whom have just been living their lives as dry cereal people the whole time? I like a dry cereal. What the hell is wrong with you people? No. I also need to let the chat in on a little bit of a secret that I just revealed to you and Lindsay, which is that I, so I find it strange that Cooper de Gene eats the cereal dry out of the bowl with a spoon. I think that's very funny. Yeah. I'll put it in like a red solo cup.

Just like, kind of just like. What do you have red solo cups around for? You having college parties? No. I'm like the furthest thing from a college party. You and Julia playing flip cup before bed every night? I don't know why we have red solo cups actually, but we do. Or a coffee cup, like a to go coffee cup.

I'll put it in the cup. And like it's like it's not working. You just take it right to the dome? No, I don't take it right. through the dome. So let me pour myself some lucky charms. Oh, yeah. This is, I'm wearing my clip hoodie.

This is where I need to go like, hey, yo. Oh, it's good. No, I'll take, I'll eat the cereal out of the red solo cup and you don't have to touch it. You can just kind of, I'm seeing you eat popcorn this way. So I know you understand how this works. Hold on, hold on. Very specifically in the press box. If I don't go to movie and then just take popcorn to the face.

It's because I don't want buttery fingers while I'm typing on my laptop. I think it's a reasonable way to eat cereal. It's utilitarian. Did you see Fran say what he does with his cinnamon toast crunch milk in the morning? No, but is it freaky?

No. He puts it through a strainer into the first cup of coffee. Now that's next level. What do you mean? It's innovative. I'll give him that. It's genius.

It's like perfect cinnamon. and sweet. How do you know? You don't use milk in your cereal. Yeah, but like that is like a good mixture. It's like a good halfway between like creamer and just like putting milk in your coffee. Yeah. Yeah. And I, I drink a lot of oat milk. So I can't say I don't drink. I like the, I like that it's innovative. I like that it's, uh, anti-waste. I mean, he was probably going to drink that milk anyway. It feels a little gross to me. It's like your own backwash, essentially that you're repurposing into your milk. to your cereal.

I mean, it's like, you could say the same about just drinking coffee. Like, he's not, I mean, no, it's not like your,

it's like your, your spoon is interacting with the milk, but it's not backwash. It's not like, how much of a slob do you think, Fran is? It's not like he's spilling

all over the place. Like, if it comes up on the spoon, it's not going back in there. So when you and Julia are having breakfast in the morning, if you, if you bounce it in the solo cup, does you have to take two bites of cereal?

I don't know why we have Red Solo Cups. It's actually a great question. We don't have parties. We have cookouts in the summer, but we don't even use them for that. I got to figure out why we got Red Solo Cups. Maybe they've been the same Red Solo Cups for the last five years.

Maybe. But it's good for cereal. Man, I thought for sure when Cooper DeGine was, when I asked him about somebody behind the scenes, I thought for sure he was leading up to saying Brandon Johnson. The deflation in your face when he didn't say.

Same for our young secondary guys. Maybe it's too, he doesn't want to get, he doesn't want that secret out. Howie told him, we can't be talking about him publicly. Cooper to Gene said he saw the Devante quote in my work. Maybe he's familiar with my MacMick Williams prediction as well. Potentially. Potentially.

All right, let's go from one current Eagle slash P.H.O.I. employee to another. Spoke to Brennan Graham this morning on the Unblocked Podcast, which you can watch tomorrow at 11 o'clock, wherever you get your podcasts. and on YouTube. Let's find out what he had to say. Ask him a little bit about the offense and the under center stuff. And frankly,

I don't remember what else we talked about because it's been a long day. Back on the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast from the set of the Unblocked podcast with Brandon Graham, the sharp-dressed current player himself, B.G. We talked about the defensive performance and everything that came with it on this episode that will come out on Wednesday.

But I want to ask you about the other thing that has been a very popular topic for the Eagles this past couple weeks, which is the under center stuff on play on on on offense. I want your perspective from a defensive lineman's perspective on like does that change the way that you rush? Does it make you a little bit less aggressive if the offense is going under center? Well, it does because now you're looking for run, especially against a team like us where you got SACON in the back field and And, you know, you're trying to make sure that you don't go too far up the field because, I mean, now you got fullback involved in or tight-in, whoever's back there. You got two backs. And, yeah, man, I mean, and I feel like Jalen did a great job this past game, being able to get under center

and, you know, turn his back. And then, man, right, being able to have those tight ends, I mean, not tight ends, those linebackers get sucked in a little bit right open up the middle of the field and then you got a guy like smitty who break route runner got some good players in there and it's a tight end tight end's dream too because most of the time they're getting seven routes and outside routes um depending on like you know whatever play action is called and how you running the ball too because being able to run the ball helps in that in that um if you got the running game going play action definitely works in the eye formation because most of the time you're trying to stay close to the

line so that you can set the edge as a delinement other than run up the field and create different lanes. How about when they go six offensive linemen get Fred Johnson on the field like we saw on the 65 yarder for Sequin? What does that do to a defense? That is the same thing where you out there getting ready for the run and then they hit you with a play action and then now they got like a six-man protection because it's no way. is going out there to get a pass. Right. Although I feel like we got to see that at some point this season now.

They're going to lean into it a lot. Yeah. Let's get Fred a touchdown. That would be more so goal line stuff. Yeah. Or like go, yeah, mostly goal line stuff. Like how Lane got him a touchdown and all that. They first got to do it in practice first to see if he can catch it. That's right.

And then the other one I want to ask right is is empty. When they go, when Jill is empty in the backfield. Does that change the way that you rush at all? Yeah, because if he's a, which we used to do, we used to do that quarterback run. Yes. To see how they play the empty. And if they leave the box with like one or one one linebacker, maybe two.

If they got two, then we know to throw it out. But if they got one person in the middle and it's five on five, we're going to go with our five every time. And you know the ball's going to come out quick. But yeah, it is interesting that Jalen has not run quite as much this season. What do you make of that? You know what? It's just a new, new coordinator.

You might not want to put his quarterback in the situation. like that right now but I know that that was part of our part of our game okay and in this game we talked about on the show the five sacks from the defensive line but also the the run defense how did that seem to improve to you from the sideline I thought I thought it held up pretty well I mean we had some we had some some leaky yard it's in there here and there but I felt I felt like we bowed up at the end where we kept them the field goals other than touchdowns and it felt like that first game, you weren't there, obviously,

but like a little bit out physicaled in that game? Was that an emphasis coming in? Because it certainly seemed like you guys answered the bell. Yeah, they talked about that all week, just about being more physical than them. They're coming into our house. Of course, you know, we didn't want to make it like about them. It was more about us and how, like our Ute said,

he's like, man, we've got to make sure we discipline, go out there and take care of our game. playing by making sure we're doing what we're supposed to do, being where we're supposed to be. And then when the game comes, it's just be like practice. You go out there and you make your players that come to you. So what was it like this week, like meeting the guys on the team who you didn't know and getting to know them? Well, it was cool this week just to see them at practice because, I mean, it's not like

I didn't see everybody. You saw them around the building. Yeah, saw them around the building. But now you see them as a player. To feel them. to see like, yeah, you can really feel it. On the show, you talked about how Bigsby sort of like, like, oh, who is that guy? Yeah.

Was there anybody else? You're like, who was that guy? You know what? There aren't that many new guys. I know. I know, it ain't. But it's cool to see how Jaha'i worked. Okay.

You know, seeing him. Jihad's been put on a D-Line too sometimes, so we've been working out. I mean, we've been doing individual stuff together sometimes. And I think it was like Thursday when we did it. But just helping him, seeing him, just raw out there just playing. You know, just, I mean, he always got energy towards the ball. And so that's where, that's where I feel he's, once he become a technician for real, I think his game going to even elevate even more.

Does he come into edge meetings too, or is it just on the field? Yeah, just on like one day, one day this week, we under did edge meetings because, because of how how they structure the certain packages for them right it's tough I mean it's got to be it's a lot to throw on a rookie

yeah it is it is to learn linebacker he can handle it though he definitely can handle it he's confident and more is just more about making sure you put them in the right position how about some of the other guys

who have just sort of ascended since last season we talked about Jalick's on the show what's your opinion of Cooper de Jean who is having another awesome season. Oh, yeah, Coop, man. He's a work.

He's a worker. I mean, we, we're trying together on, on off days. We come in. Okay. We do like a little. This is the PHLY part where you guys get to train? Well, no, I know. It's Cooper, you and Reed.

I know. The podcasters over here. Actually, Reed is in the group, too. Reed just started this year with us, but we go. And then Bill Matt, it's the four of you. Well, yeah. But no, yeah. We are trained.

up there with Eddie Eddie Eddie Greer he part of the way staff okay we do a lot of speed and agility work he does you know movement movement work with us and you know it'd be cool to see like it's me Q who um Jlix autumn like you know we all got a little group and it started with just us last year they just watching me with Eddie and then Eddie started getting more people and then we just started to start doing it all right i like that anything else around the league that is interesting to you right now anything around the league that's interesting man you get five sacks and still lose the game get blown out get blown out too who would have thought how many sacks would you take in a game

if you knew the team was going to lose should i got to get the record then they're gonna talk about that yeah yeah but what is the record actually i don't know probably like seven we got look up look that up okay I mean, I feel like for one loss, take eight sex. I take eight, but I'll take five, for real. But, oh, my God. Oh, it is seven. Derek Thomas.

Nice job. Yeah, it was seven. Yeah. I'm like, I'm like, because I remember somebody almost tied it, or somebody did tie it, and they should have got another one, but they did. Okay. But seven, though.

the game, I mean, coach just passed happy and just don't care. I want to have them situations one time where the coach is like, we're going to keep running this play until we get it right. And then it's like, keep on blowing it up, sack, keep on trying to, he could try to sprinkle it in every other quarter, I mean, every quarter, you know, different, but the same play. It's a little, and it's not quite the same thing, but I did think the most disrespectful part of the win on Sunday was

Tank picking up second and 26. Oh, 31. Second and 31. You know what? They showed 31 on the big screen, but it was actually 26. Oh, 26. Oh, okay, okay. But still, he run the ball on second and 26, and you pick it up? And he picked it up. Come on. I mean, man.

You can't be letting that happen. It was like people would, it was running out his way, wasn't it? Yes. No, but it was good to see him have a day because I know since he got here it ain't been as good. He'd been dropping, like, kick off returns. Right. You know, it's been, I mean, that's not his, he's a running back. I know he has a running back. He isn't running back. But I'm proud of. That'll do it for this segment for the PHOY

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All right. So I have some people may remember. And tell us, tell us if you would, yeah, would you double down, hold or sell? Yeah, I like the framing of the stock. Let's look at these like stocks. So a lot of people may remember,

I was pounding the table for the year of A.J. Brown. Boy, were you right? Just not in the way that you thought. Yeah, I mean, it kind of has been a year. The year of AJ Brown for the Eagles. So let's go through him and then we can talk about him. Jalen Hertz has an MVP season. I don't think I said he was going to be an MVP,

but in the conversation. Morrow Ajomo will meet or exceed. Milton Williams is five regular seasons. Now is that really all you? I said he was overqualified for the role that Milton Williams played in the defense last year. Okay. And then my final one,

Mac McWilliams becomes a starter by mid-season. At some point mid-season. All right. So, I'm going to say the year of AJ Brown double down. I mean, not in the way that you meant. Honestly, I would double down on that one. I think that there obviously it's a small chance that he's having it somewhere else. Your prediction here was that this was going to be like a 1,500 yard monster season for AJ Brown.

It's an interesting, it was interesting listening back to that conversation that we had before the season and thinking about the way that the last eight years. games have gone for the Eagles and like AJ Brown's frustration throughout that time because going into the season I think there was I think it's fair to say there was an expectation that AJ Brown was going to get the chance to be the number one receiver in football to pal you know to like I was pounded a stamp on it to put a stamp on it exactly and you can kind of understand a little bit of where that frustration comes from when it just didn't the opportunity really didn't present itself for him so I still think there's a chance that he has a big second half of the season but in a way it has been the year of a j brown i mean yeah i think there is a very good chance that in 10 years

when you mention the year 2025 to eagles fans they will think oh yeah the year of a j brown now on a scale of like one to 10 10 being like t o doing sit-ups in the driveway and one being like i don't know britton covey showing up to work i was going to say like greg ward like wishing that he had gotten more targets in a game or something okay um where would you put this one where would you put this year of AJ Brown in terms of like memorable Eagles like wide receiver drama? I mean, I feel like it's nine. It's feel like. Oh, wow.

You think it's that close. I was going to go like seven or eight. But what other wide receiver, Eagles wide receiver drama would top it other than Dio? Oh, nothing would. I mean, Deshaun had some moments. Sean and his gang ties. Like the contract stuff. But yeah, like the, Deshawn's the end of Deshawn's 10 years.

I think this is a bigger deal than any of that stuff. Yeah. I just, I don't think it's that close to. Tio doing sit-ups in the driveway. Well, yeah, I don't think it's close to that in like he's going to wheylay the season necessarily. Yeah. I think I've been using way-lay too much. I don't think so.

I like way-lay. I like way-lay too, but now, you know. There are things we are guilty of using too much on the show. Definitely of it all is one that I see some people. Make some space. I think you could put that in like the cool down period. What did we say? Oh, validates from my word of the week.

That's okay. But that's a bit. You got a week with it. Yeah. That's like a bit right now. Okay, Jalen Hertz has an MVP season. I'm doubling down on that one too. I think the strides, like the reason why we made some,

the reason why we had some of these takes from what we saw in training camp, and I do think that Jalen having a really clean summer has been, it's shown up in the first eight games in how he's processed, like the way that he's seeing the field. And honestly, the way that he's, like, embracing some of the new elements of the Eagles offense, he's just been playing really clean, you know? And like, I think, you know, there's a chance that, we look back or look up in like another month or so and go like this guy, you know,

has X amount of touchdowns, X amount of production for his team, while also avoiding negative plays and avoiding turnovers in a way that is conducive to winning. So I think maybe not like MVP frontrunner, but I think he'll be in the conversation by the end of the season. So I'm doubling down on that one too. Yeah, I think that Jalen has really taken a step this year as I don't think processor is fair, because I think there's kind of like a negative connotation to not being a processor, but just in terms of the quickness with which he's seeing things.

And also willing to make some throws that he didn't always make in years past. So there are times to still be frustrated with some things and obviously he had a two-game stretch that was not very good. But I think that the way that we saw them call the game on Sunday against the Giants, like leaning into this is a guy who can be trusted

to do it all, I think that's their path forward. I'm trying to very quickly pull up the MVP odds here. So, yeah, Jalen's not really high up in here. Like, oh, no, sorry, this is MVP winners. I'm bad at the finding odds for stuff. I might need you. Oh, no, I got it right here. See, Jalen's not even in the top eight.

It's Mahomes, Josh Allen, Drake May, Baker Mayfield, Matthew Stafford, Gough, Prescott, Daniel Jones, Jordan Love and Justin Herbert. I think Jalen belongs in that conversation. I think he belongs in that conversation. I mean, only just, if only because there's a chance the Eagles end up with the best record of football, I think it's unlikely.

But if they do, he's going to have a very good chance to win MVP. Next month is going to be just not so much instructive for the Eagles. Like, I think like they could struggle through the next month and still be in a decent spot. But in terms of like narratives, if they win some of these big games coming up, I do think that that'll vault him in that conversation.

obviously I feel great about Morrow Ajoomo meeting or exceeding Milton Williams five regular season sacks. Did we not make enough about that yesterday? Here's the deal. Here's the deal. You are the one who went through this episode and sent to Lindsay the copy for this bold predictions. As I remember it, and Fran, feel free to wait in on the chat. I felt like your bold prediction was Morrow Ojamo sets the Eagle single season sack record. No. I know that you guys want to reframe this and make it seem like I said he was like the greatest defense

tackle in Eagles history or something like that. I just said that I think he's qualified to do what Milton Williams did last year. And you guys kept going, oh, Milton Williams is a 100. This is Fran, really. Milton Williams is a $100 million player. Like, you know, that's a high bar. And it is a high bar. And I think that Milton Williams has been, especially if you consider Jalen Carter hasn't

had quite the impact that we expected, the fact that he leads the team in sacks, I'm just saying, you know, honestly, you know what it is? I read your work. The Eagles players said that they, they're not. thought he was going to be the breakout start of the year. Feeling good about that one. I think you're underplaying the level of your, of your prediction. I don't know.

I don't know where you're getting this from. Moro Ojimo is inducted into the Hall of Fame as season's end. Kind of how I remember it. During that pod, you said that I, I claimed that he's the next Aaron Donald. Yeah, that's what I remember. No, I thought he'd be a productive player. And I said, and I still feel this way, like Milton Williams, deservedly so,

deservedly so, his performance in the Super Bowl kind of changes how you view his production in the regular season and even in the postseason in the lead up to that game. Obviously, fair. Like he had his best game

on the biggest stage, but in terms of what the Eagles got from him last year, I don't think they really, I mean, let me put it this way. Do they miss Milton Williams? Like, would you, if they had Milton Williams,

would it look much different upfront for them right now? I think they'd be better. Slightly better, but not significantly better. And I think that that's a testament to Morrow Ojo. Fran went back and listened, he says in the chat. This is the direct quote.

Morrow Ojamo will be an all pro and voted as the number one player in the NFL next summer. We can't do this. We can't misquote me. Come on. What are we doing? All right. What's your last one? My dad was not happy with your guys no sell on the Kam Latu thing.

He was like, why did those guys hate Kam Latu so much? Who says we hate him? Love the guy. Only one. It's not as much as you. Just not what I bring him up. My last one was Mack Mick Williams becomes a starter midseason. I'm not feeling.

great about that one. I'm probably just holding that one. There's a chance other side of the by week, like a Cooper to Gene type situation, but I'm not, I mean. Oh, you think he goes inside? Probably. I mean, I don't, I think the, the path for him to play is probably inside, but I don't feel great about that. I mean, if McFandjo keeps talking about the fact they don't have a good option at Nickel to put Cooper to Gene outside. I think, I think we were expecting that if, if the first half of the season had gone the way that it actually has, that by now, it would have been MacMac Williams. Yep, I completely agree.

The way that we felt in the summer, with Keely not holding up, Adory not holding up, Jacorian Bennett's injured, like somewhere in there, they would have given Mac McWilliams a shot, and he was inactive for most of those games. And so I think it is fair to read,

they are, you know, it's not, this is not writing the guy off, it's year one, but I think they're probably a little bit disappointed internally that he hasn't presented himself

as a real option. Yeah, no, I think that's completely right. I think like, that could flip in the second half. We probably overvalued, like, how he looked before the inch, in training camp and ever since I mean the truth is what we did is we all overvalued

Vic saying he liked him in the first press conference yeah because then he had that or no was Brandon Johnson and he had the big sigh about during training that was later yeah but still I feel like wasn't Mac Mac Williams like it was either no I think you asked Vic about Brandon Johnson was this good that's but that was like hurt he got hurt he got hurt he got hurt you know so no but he has been much less bullish on Mac McWilliams recently although Cooper de Gene bullish on Mac McWilliams I agree with the people in the chat. We need EJ's dad on the show. If he could figure out how to work Zoom, I would tell him to get on Zoom for a show. But yeah, we'll get him in. And he had an important

take on the, um, uh, female solo artists. Yeah. In Mount Rushmore. He has Anita Baker and his and I was like, what are we doing as an Eagles podcast, not mentioning Anita Baker in the Mount Rushmore, a female artist. Like, just a wild blind spot. And I, you know, I'll take accountability for it. It's on me. It's not on anybody else. It's on me. that's that's the buck's philosophy I don't want to know what that means I need a baker

they need a baker oh no that's bad much more where that came from in overtime lot to Stephen Waters says

Latu is a cool cat E.J. the elder my dad would actually say hold on I got to conjure up my dad voice ready he a bad boy my dad's got that like raspy

I love that. You remember Doug Nussmeyer's voice? Yes. That's like halfway to my dad's voice. Yeah, he's a little, he's got a raspy voice. Oh, I like that. Yeah. All right, let's get to my preseason bold predictions here.

We start with Zach Baum. Zach Bonn from last year has a repeat, exceeds last year, doubles down on his own level of production, and becomes basically known as the best linebacker in football. We have Cam Juergens. has a similar double down and becomes known as the best center in football. Tanner McKee cements himself as a top 20 quarterback, whenever it is that he gets to play a game in place of an injured Jalen Hertz,

and Christian Parker will become a star and an obvious defensive quarterback candidate in the offseason. So, Zach Bonn, we can check out the stats on Zach Bonn, which EJ pulled, including one which I will not recognize. But I feel good about this. one. I double down on this and listen, the unfortunate Fred Warner injury makes this kind of simpler

for me. Now, I think that Zach Bonn has been a little bit less splashy the last few weeks, even though we had a sack last week. Then he was like the first quarter of the season, he like really looked like this guy. Yeah. Been a little bit quieter the second quarter of the season, but I feel

good about this. I think Zach Bonn is playing at a high level and I think, frankly, this was a very smart prediction by whoever made it. I know you don't have a lot of time for pressure rate, and I understand why. I mean, when you do watch, like, the film of the pressures that are logged as pressures, it's like, come on, what are we doing here? Of course.

But I do think it's, it is helpful as an evaluation tool where you're looking at every single player. And I want to make sure I point out, like, that includes a lot of edge rushers, too, because you can't separate my backers and edge rushers. That's why, like, it's baked in. Exactly. If Zack Bonn is not rushing the passer unless it's going to be an advantageous situation for him to rush the passer.

Yeah, but I still think he's... Whereas every edge rusher But you can say that about most linebackers and he is getting... He's generating the flints and pressures. He's good at it. He's good at deciding when to send him. I'm not saying that it's like a, it's an end-all-be-all-all-stat.

I just, I did think it helped your case a little bit, which is why I included it for you. But no, I agree with you. I mean, I don't know who else would you put in the conversation right now for like best linebackers in the NFL, especially without Fred Woff. Warner now. Brandon Johnson. Beave up, I think he can get there.

I was like, is there another Brandon Johnson I'm forgetting about? Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I think Zach Bonn is, it's funny on the other Philadelphia podcast that we might need to also discuss later on in the show. The H.O.I. Sixers spot? The one with the handsome, sorry, the Eagles, the other Eagles podcast. Not familiar. With the handsome host and our boy Cliffie, too.

Oh, Cliff. Yeah, Cliff. Oh, yeah. I know, Cliff. Yeah. They were talking about the Eagles, like, having three of the top 25, 20 linebackers in the NFL. And that feels rich to me, but I don't know, I don't know. I think, NCOB is probably higher than I'm giving him credit for.

I think that I would be lying if I had a strong opinion here. Yeah. It just feels crazy to say, but I think it might actually be accurate. So, yeah. Anyway, are you buying or selling Cam Durgan's? I'll double down on that one. Really? Oh, no, Cam Jurgens.

I thought on Bonn. No, Jurgens, I'm selling. I'm bailing on that one. I think you sell low on that one. Because, and I think a lot of this is probably injury related, but I don't think that he's looked as good as he did last year. And so the idea that he's going to cement himself as the best center in the NFL seems unlikely, especially since he's already currently injured.

So I think Cam Jurgens is fine, but yeah, I would not go there. I'm curious to see how he looks once he's back because of Landon Dick. I'm an apparent, like, progress with health. I do wonder, like, I've spent, I spent so much time last week talking to guys about, like, the, the profiles that they want at each of the offensive line spots because of Brett Toh playing at center. And, like, I do wonder if, like, Cam Juergens is best utilized with, like, two, like, massive guards next to him.

And maybe if that's part of why he's struggling a little bit. Because, like, you know, we've talked about, like, that Tyler Steen is a slight drop-off from Mackay Beckton, but like still playing well, but maybe like Mackay Beckton brings out the best in Cam Jerkins, you know, having those two guys next to him who are just a little bit bigger, a little bit more of those like workhorses that those guys talk about.

Okay. My next one, Tanner McKee, this is an easy double down and this is where I'm going to really make my profit because the stock has not risen so much. It has, and if anything, it has declined because people have forgotten about his great preseason.

This is one where I'm going to, this is where I can really make generational wealth, I would say, because yes, if Jalen Hurts misses two games this year, Tanner McKee is going to be the talk of the NFL. Yeah, I mean, I think that the only thing I would say is that because the Eagles did the under center shift before Tanner McKee, you know, got a chance to, you know,

really showcase what he can do in it. It's a little bit softened. Like if they never went to the under center looks and then all of a sudden it's like Tanner McKee, Like, oh, they did it when Tanner came in. Like, that would be a little bit better for your take. That was something you mentioned in the original show. All right.

And then the last one, Christian Parker. I stand by this. I don't know that I would double down. I'm just going to hold this one. Okay. I think Christian Parker is still likely to be a defense coordinator next year. Yeah. I think it's fair to just hold.

Yeah. Here's my question for you. Since we're being reflective on season. Buy week. Oh, Lindsay's giving us to wrap it up, B. the audio is bad oh man the audio board is crashing we need

equipment let's do it okay I was gonna ask you like a nice personal question but I guess we gotta go the personal questions I finally escape just as you're leaving

oh Mared talk about it tomorrow special guest All right yeah coming up on the show the rest of the week on Halloween

on Friday you got the professor and Fran on Thursday Jamie and Richon tomorrow. A local author joins the show. I'm not sure if I'm going to be here or not, but we will find out what happens. So for all of us here at the P HLY Eagles podcast,

thank you very much. Merci Bocou. Lindsay's first solo flight, give it up, give it up. We'll talk to tomorrow at 2 o'clock. And as always, news am all.