PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Revisiting the Eagles’ offseason decisions: Was letting Isaiah Rodgers leave a HUGE mistake?

Episode Date: October 14, 2025

Howie Roseman is always the main characters of the Eagles’ offseason but he takes a back seat come the regular season. But with the Eagles sitting at a disgruntled 4-2, we look back on his decision to retain Zack Baun, jettison Darius Slay, let Josh Sweat and Milton Williams walk and opt not to re-sign Isaiah Rodgers. EJ Smith also has the latest from Vic Fangio, who all but names a new cornerback starter, before Brandon Graham joins Bo Wulf to tease a possible return. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Joe announces his new cornerback. Brandon Graham joins the show to tease a little something, something. And E.J. Smith leans into his YouTube boy persona coming up next on the P.H.L.Y. Eagles podcast. From the XFinity Studio, this is the P.H.L.Y. Eagles podcast presented by Bet365 and Ashley. My name is Bo Wolf. To my left. E.J. Smith. Our Eagles insider and P.H. Joe why. Nice to see you, Mr. Smith. It's good to see you too. I was a little worried that you were going to retire on me mid-season here. Thought about it. Yeah, given some of the recent events in Eagles Eagles land. If I had the same, you know, nest egg that's the Darius did. I might have called

out too. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Like, man, yesterday it was like dreary and cold and it's like if I had millions of dollars, ain't nobody got the time. Yeah, when I go to work today, you know, just to get yelled at by Vic Van Joe. Yeah, right, but say our jobs are pretty fun. So I think I probably would still have gone to work, but you can't, you can't fault a guy. Maybe you can. No, absolutely not. I mean, a team with as toxic a situation as it seems like they have right now. Yeah, but if you're an Eagles fan, I feel like you can fault the guy. I was a little tickled by his retirement announcement, like leading with a picture of him with the Eagles, as if like that's the memory he wants everybody to have. Yeah, that was a little, little on the nose.

Right. Like, yeah, he had his, when he listed the numbers at the end, like 52 is the last number. I think that that probably is more appropriate. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, to me, it could have been the weather. It could have been the locker room toxicity. It could have also just been, you know, he's too depressed from having to watch Clayton Kirchow have a bad playoff out.

I think it's probably not the last one there, but. But yeah. I can't believe I had to write this down in my notebook. Oh, Clayton Kirshah. It's so sad. Give me a break. Three innings. of that nonsense. I'm not over it.

I don't think I'll ever be over it. So you're doing the hate watch then? I'm watching the baseball playoffs still, yeah. I'm not doing the hate watch. It's not a hate watch. I just enjoying the playoff baseball. I can't enjoy it. The only way I'd enjoy it is for the hate watch and I'm not there yet. Rood for the Brewers. Yeah, well, obviously. Shout out to Ben Harris.

Yeah, I usually go like root for the team that's playing the team that knocked your team out. But like sometimes there is a validation if they go in one of at all? Sure. I will, here's one thing that I, here's one, one Philly's take for you. I don't love the, the framing of giving the Phillies a pass. Like, oh, these were the two best teams. The winner of this

series is going to win the World Series. Like, so it's like, like the Eagles, the Phillies are the second best team. Like, it's a tough break. It's not a good consolation. Get out of here with that. Let's, you know. Yep. I agree. It's the second round. Yeah. They were one great start. I mean, I actually mean that, not, I don't mean that ironically. Like,

we are actually talking about sports. It's been four minutes I mean that's a good way to guarantee that we're not going to talk about sports anymore Oh no we're gonna here on a loopy Tuesday What do you want to get to? So you got to tease Tease what's coming up and then we'll get to

Okay yeah so we're gonna try something new On this Tuesday Little YouTube boy coming up with some ideas We're gonna call it tearless Tuesday Now Tearless Tuesday as a YouTube boy Where's the bird pun in there? I'm not a bird pun

That's your corner I can't You know I can't come in here and try and be you, who wants that? You know? No, I don't, nobody. So yeah, we're going to do tier list Tuesday. We're going to do, we're going to revisit the Eagles off-season moves. We're going to revisit the Eagles off-season moves, and we're going to put them in tears.

But we should start with news. We should talk about Eagles news, but I think, yeah, we're going to have some stuff to get through, maybe some arguments, and I'm looking forward to it. We'll also be joined by Brandon Graham earlier today from the set of the Unblocked Podcast. Don't want to miss tomorrow's episode. 11 o'clock. I don't know. I whether it be, I don't know. Who does it? I mean, do the Eagles in an Edrushar?

A little bit. I mean, we should start with that. I want to hear your thoughts on the Zadaria Smith retirement and the state of the Eagles Eddressure Group. Let's put Brandon Graham to the side for a second. And some news from Vic Fangio at today's press conference, which we will call, E.J. The Big Deal! Presented by Cherry Hill Mitsubishi, the big deal. I was not a coordinator today.

You were? Vic just came out and said who his starting corner is essentially. He said, it's probably Adori. Right now, it'd probably be Adori. Always appreciate how brief and to the point Vic Fangio is on this matters. And yeah, he talked about the fact that the way that the game went

against the Giants, that they were leaning more toward Adori. Obviously, Kili Ringo got benched for like one series before Queen Ann Mitchell came out. So I think it was obviously leaning that way. But yeah, Vic Fangio came right out there. said it and said that they need someone to settle into that job, which I think is, I mean. And frankly, it plays into the offseason what ifs that we will get to. Yeah, exactly. And it's also important to note that Vic Fangio, who is usually probably the most honest coach

when it comes to injury stuff, said that he's, it remains to be seen whether Quinnian Mitchell will be available for the Sunday against the Vikings. Yeah, I mean, I know you got Carson Wentz probably starting. Is it probable? I don't know. It seems up in the air right now. Like, J.J. McCarthy is like a limited participant in practice. And whoever it is, I mean, it could be me at quarterback.

Justin Jefferson going up against Ringo and Adori Jackson is a pretty salivating proposition for the money. Yeah, especially like this isn't like that Bucks game where you're going to hide a guy and like get lucky that they don't test him. Like I, you know, Vic talked about how good Kevin O'Connell's system is, how they set things up and everything's married together. I'm sure that they will have whoever's out there. microscope. Did you take that as kind of a sub-tweet of the offensive staff? I didn't, but I did think about like the contrast between like what this Vikings offense, how they feature players, how they scheme things open, how they make it easy on the quarterback compared to the Eagles office. It's really impressive when you watch that offense. I mean, they have these really good players,

but they find a way to get them in situations that are advantageous. What a novel? It's really interesting. Yeah, I don't think it was a sub-tweet or a sub-whatever. Yeah. But, Yeah, I did notice the contrast for sure. Okay, what did he say about the edge group? And Zadiris-Miss retirement. Yeah, he didn't, he kind of acknowledged, like, that you want helping at every position, probably. But I think more on the nose, we've heard him, we've heard him say in the past that, like, their edge group is fine. They're getting fine production from their edges.

And, yeah, obviously, like, they don't have, like, they don't have the star power, but they also just don't have, like, the body. you know and vick has talked before about not being overly reliant on a good rotation of edge rushers he can really get through a game with he said three guys before um but i think he you know him he didn't come right out and say like yeah we need help at that position but he also didn't really downplay the notion that they are thin there so um you know i thought it was interesting he didn't really have much to say about antoine palryland like i was curious if that was somebody who might i mean you were surprised by that i mean not surprised just like just noteworthy that he said like he's been in and now. He's done a good job on scout team, but not much more. Yeah, I think that they're

going to have to address this position before the trade deadline. Do you think they'll make a splash? I know you and Rich talked about potential options yesterday. I feel like they will. I feel like the opportunity will be there. I think what did you think of the analogy we made? Like, edge rushers are kind of like relievers in baseball where like it's kind of a less strings attached position that can, you can theoretically add them at the trade deadline and get good from them. And you really like the competing teams have more value for those types of players in a team that maybe doesn't foresee themselves making the playoffs. I thought one, you were a good partner because you were very impressed by Rich coming up at that on the fly. I mean, if it was good.

I don't know that you needed to fawn over him for an hour. All right. That sounds like sour graves. It sounds like personal. My honest take is that I think that this is something that the Eagles have learned that this is not always the case. Yeah. In third, theory, edge rusher feels like the one position where you could just add a guy and tell him go get the quarterback and that wouldn't be super hard. In practice, the Eagles have failed at this. And it's actually why I think they are probably interested in bringing Brandon Graham back because there is there is less guesswork there. Scheme wise, culture wise, all that stuff. You know, from Zadaria Smith to Robert Quinn to, you know, any of these.

mercenary type guys who they brought in They don't always It's not always as seamless As it feels like it should be And so I think that's part of the reason why I think they are interested in that But I also don't think that that is the Solution to what ails this defense Yeah, I think that there is like the human element

Maybe from a schematic standpoint it's not hard to get an addresser up to speed in a system But I think that like when you look at even across the league Like the history of trade deadline moves There's a lot of misses in there Not to say that there aren't hits I mean there are are players that come in and either like make an impact right away or just become like a long-term part of that of the whatever team they end up with. I think that it is harder though than maybe we like it seems like there's an uptick in trades

around the trade deadline. It seems like more and more teams are willing to make those moves. It does seem like the human element maybe hasn't caught up or like the players like it does seem like a lot of guys struggle with that mid-season change. How do you feel like about the name for a restaurant called the human element? The cumin element. I mean, I like cumin. So what are we talking like a, like a taco place or something?

Just all cumin. You need more than cumin. I give that like a C minus. You know, if I were putting that in the tier list. Cuban robot. That's worse. Oh, the humanity. No, that's good.

They're getting worse. I think the cumin element is good. It's okay. It's like it'd be in the me tier. All right. That'll do it for the big deal. presented by Sherry Hill Mitsubishi

Okay, anything else from Vic Vanjou? Not a whole lot from Vic. Michael Clay talked about the kick return issues basically said it's a catch mechanics issue from those guys. They forgot to have hands. They forgot to catch mechanic.

Mechanics fall all over the place. He did... Covered in Greece. He was a good... Slippery. It was a good series of questions from... I'm just going to plow it.

There's a good series of questions from your good friend Bjorn, aka Zach Berwick. It's fun. Like asking like is it is it is like is it a learn skill or a natural thing to catch a kickoff right now? Like the way that no, it's a good question. He asked the same question about Quinnie Mitchell. Yeah, no, but like the kickoff thing is relevant because it's like is it natural? Is it something that you need to coach somebody up to do? And Michael Clay made the analogy of.

like an electrician. Like you wouldn't want to just like real blue collar show today. Well it's like mechanics, electricians. You wouldn't want to have, he's like you wouldn't want to have an electrician that isn't training your house and all of a sudden all your electricity's out. It is like it's a hard thing that they need to learn. And then Zeeb had a good follow up. So would you then, would you, would you then consider trading multiple draft picks for an

electrician? Somebody without experience. Yeah. Like then why like John Mechie and Tank Bigsby did not have good, did not have extensive kick return experience. So like what was the rationale there? Michael Clay didn't have like, you know, he didn't really elaborate on the decision making. I think it's fair.

It's a decision made above his head. But it is just like glaring. Again, it's like when they traded for Tank Biggsby, I remember the emergency pod, like, you know, the messaging from the team being something that you guys didn't agree with and that I understood the skepticism of. But it has seemed, at least in the short term, that this is what they viewed Tank Biggsby as as a return specialist and it's really backfired for them. Yeah, that's ideal. Yeah. How about Mr. Petulow? Yeah, he said that they have had some productive meetings.

He said yesterday that the offensive meeting was productive and that there was a lot of feedback from players. Honestly, like, you know, I know that we've spent a good amount of the last couple Tuesday shows talking a lot about what Kevin Petulow said. To me, it's like kind of a lot of the same stuff. And it's like, I think at this point it's like the product on the field is what we're going to have to keep a close eye on.

Not to say that his press conferences aren't important. Like we ask the questions and, you know, we get answers, but I think there are a lot of times that he's like trying to like tiptoll around something or just talking in generalities in a way that like isn't all that, uh, instructive, I would say. Okay. With that, E.J., let's head to break. And on the other side, we're going to begin this tier list of the Eagles offseason moves

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Multi-view requires Xfinity. 4K capable TV box. You know that wasn't my house, right? So where was it? I don't know. Kevin Petulow's house. We think all of my guys look the same? It wasn't me.

I do not think you and Kevin Petitlo look in the same for the record. All right. Take it away. What do you mean? Taking away. All right. This is, we're going to go through. What are our tears here?

All right. So we are going to go through the years from heaven. Offseason moves. That's a good way. It's not a good one. I mean, tears from heaven, at least it was, it's better than your last couple. I like that one. We're not going to call it tears.

Tears for fears. No, that's worse. Yeah. You got any more? Tier one imports. Yeah, no, getting worse, getting progressive. Tearing aids. All of these would be in the costly mistake tier.

Okay. So let's unveil the tier list here. We're going to go through the- Get me a tearful. Off-season moves. You know, this is a little bit in like. of the Isaiah Rogers reunion. Like Thiery.

And yeah, we're going to go through. Chugging Tears. We're not going to put anybody in until we have an agreement or until we can see. Tears and the headlights. Tears and the headlights is okay. And if King Tear. That was awful. Like, what even is that?

King Lear. No, that's bad. If we can't agree on one of these guys, we're going to let the chat decide. Okay. All right. So we'll do some. Some will be rapid fire. Your guess is good.

No, it's not. Come on. It's inappropriate. That's inappropriate. I did say that Julia should be O.J. On the show yesterday. So I don't have room to talk. Okay.

We should call her O.J. Did she want that? I mean, I guess we should be sure. If the glove fits, she needs to quit. She does not need to quit. Don't put that out there. Okay. All right.

You ready to do this? Tierless. Again, as Bo has alluded to, I am a YouTube boy through and through and I love a tier list. So you can't let me down here. Okay. You're also going to need to let me know

who some of the people are because I can't. Tell me the name of the tiers one more time. All right. So the tiers are move of the off season. Okay. Good value. worked out fine, you know, yeah.

Okay. And then meh, which, you know, self-explanatory, probably wouldn't do it again and costly mistake. Okay. And these are both the moves that they did make and the moves that they didn't make. Correct. Yes, we're going to go through the departures and the acquisitions, the trades. I think what we should do is let's not be afraid to use move of the offseason for like maybe,

I mean, something should just be. there. Like something has to be the best. Okay. We can either add a few to it in the process or we could try to graduate one thing from good value to move the off season. Let's see how it goes. Okay. And now is this dynamic? Andrew you're able to do this live?

Yep. Andrew's got us. All right. And we can just start anywhere? Or are we going to go in order? Let's go in order. Again, you're going to have to help. Yeah, I can't this is tough. Who is top left there? Is that Isaiah Rogers? That doesn't look like it. Oh yeah. I think it's Isaiah Rogers and then Slay and then Bradbury. Is that right?

It's tough. Here, I'm gonna do, I'm gonna do who I can see. Okay, let's do that. All right, all the way to the right on the top row, is that Avanti Maddox? Oh, I got, I can, yeah. All right, I'm putting Avanti Maddox at, worked out fine.

Yeah, I think Avanti Maddox has worked out fine. It's good. I have everybody here now. I just zoomed in on it, so. Okay. Top left is Isaiah Rogers. Do you want to do them first? You want to save him.

Let's save him. Okay, let's go, Slay is next to him. Let's do Slay. Slay is interesting because it's in conjunction with Isaiah Rogers. And I know that they wanted to get out, they wanted to move on from that contract. But I think you could have cut him with the post-June 1st designation and then brought him back.

Yeah. And I would have done that if you had told me that Isaiah Rogers was gone. And I'd rather done that than bring back, then sign a Dori Jackson. And I don't think it would have been that much more expensive. Yeah, you know, I was going to say like process-wise. I didn't have too much um with the Darius Slay departure,

but with the benefit of hindsight, like you have probably, like the bet you made on a Dory Jackson wasn't any better process. So I actually probably would put him in, wouldn't do it again, as then I wouldn't let him sign somewhere else. I would re-sign him.

And when did Slay sign? It was a little bit later. Because was it after the draft? No, it was before the draft. Yeah. Because you could, you know. Steelers though. Yeah, I think that's probably too much.

So I would actually go here with... I'm gonna go meh. I would go meh. I think worked out fine would be a little bit too. I agree with that. Too strong here. All right, so Slay goes there. Who's next?

James Bradbury. Jimmy Brad's good value. Yeah, I mean, it didn't actually turn on to be good value. It's good value not to have to aid him. Yeah, right decision. Kenny Gainwell. Kenny Gainwell. Signed here.

I'll get his contract info up. for you here. I mean, I don't think I like Kenny Gainwell. He's had a nice season so far for the Steelers. I don't think him being on Eagles would have changed anything. Yeah, I agree. You signed for a little under $2 million. I would say it worked out fine.

Yep, I agree. Honestly, you could make an argument that Kenny Gainwell would be solid value, like not having paid him. I guess, but it didn't turn out to be that way because they didn't spend that money. Although, but yeah, I think you're, I think you're right. I think that's fine. Also, Andrew, Isaiah Rogers is the one that's in solid value. We want James Bradbury there instead, I think, right? Oh, yes. Yeah. Yes. Sorry, that's a, yeah, all right. Okay. Mackay. So where's, and where is Gainwell going?

Gamewell should go, you want to put him in worked out fine instead of solid value? Yeah, I think so. Okay, that's fine. Okay. All right, Mackay Beckton. Now, this is one where I thought the Eagles did the right thing process-wise. Yeah, I agree. And I don't think Steen has been individually the thing that's been plaguing the run. No, but I think that the run game would be better if Mackay Beckton were here. I do. I mean, they might not be as good pass-blocking.

I don't think that this has worked out as well as I was expecting. So would you put it and wouldn't do it again? Would you go that far? I don't think they'd sign them. I think even if they could go back. Yeah. The only argument. Now you get it, you got a qualifying compick for him probably in the formula.

Yeah, because like if you told me they were signing him to be like, I mean, I guess the one argument you could make is that like if he's still here, now Tyler Steen is your sixth offensive lineman. Right. And then you probably feel pretty good about the depth that you have on the interior line. I'm still going, I'm still going, meh. Two years, 20 million. But that's, that's incentive later, right?

I think it's not. Yeah, it's true. Yeah, it's seven million. and fully guaranteed. Yeah. Okay. I'm okay with me. I probably,

but it's funny because if you told me that if you told me before, if you asked me this before the season, I would have probably put it and worked out fine. I agree. Yeah,

or solid value even. But now I think it's meh just because of the way the Eagles run game is looked. I agree. Okay, who you got next? Um, I believe that's...

Josh wet? Oh no. That's Paris Campbell. Wait, who are you looking at? I'm not, looking here. I'm looking here. Make him look there.

Well, no, it's a little... It's Paris Campbell. Okay. Isn't it? No. That's Paris Campbell. Oh, Milton. I see... Milton?

Isaiah. That is Milton Lewis. Yeah, we put him and worked out fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, we're skipping. Yeah. Okay. Milton. Milton. Okay.

I have a hot take with this one. Okay. Solid value. Well, this is one where if we're just grading the off season. So, like, I think the Eagles should have extended Milton Williams two years ago. Sure. Yeah, but the decision in the off season. Like the decision if it's just starting in the off season.

Yeah, I mean, they're not going to. They couldn't afford to keep him. You can't afford to pay that. Okay, so it's not a hot take. I think it's still solid value, even though, like, obviously they could use him. Obviously, he's a great player. I still think for what he costs. I agree with that.

It's solid value that they moved on from him. I agree with that. Paris Campbell I think borderline move of the offseason Are you being Solid value Yeah solid value

Yeah All right Josh sweat I mean I don't even think You can say this worked out fine I think It hasn't Yeah It hasn't worked out fine

I know Realistically it was either Sweat or Bon Right And I think they Probably made the right decision in Bonn but it hasn't worked out fine.

I think you would have to say, meh. Yeah. Do you think they wouldn't do it again? If you could go back, like the time machine scenario, if you go back to the offseason, would you find a way to fit Joshua

into your plans, knowing now what you know about the flyers that you took at Eddresher? I also think that Joshua didn't want to come back. Yeah, I think he kind of ran his course. So I can't all, can't fully fault the Eagles. It's a big deal.

I would go. Four years. I would just go. I don't think you can say worked out fine. I think it has to be either solid value or meh. I think. I think solid value is fine. It's like a third and fourth round.

He signed for four years, 76.4 million with 41 million guaranteed. Yeah. I think that's, I think it's okay. Yeah. All right. Fred Johnson. This is, this is technically letting him walk. Yeah.

So wouldn't do again. Wouldn't do it again is, yeah. I mean, no, actually, costly mistake. Letting Fred Johnson walk was a costly mistake. They had to trade back for him. No, but because this one we talked about, I actually think that this was good process. Yeah, but by definition, it is, it cost them to bring him back.

But it didn't cost them that much. It doesn't matter. Costly is like. By definition, it was costly. I think this was good process. They were hoping that, they were hoping that, so they found somebody in the draft. Yeah.

They didn't. They gave the late rounders a chance in the summer. And then they just traded for him anyway. We're going to be, I think we're going to be. I think we're going to be generous. I'm going to put it in Wooden do it again. Yeah.

To be generous because I don't think, I think we should also consider the fact that like Fred Johnson probably wanted. I actually think I want to put this and worked out fine. It did. It worked out fine. I mean, I get what you're saying. Okay. They gave a little.

I'm going to concede this one to you. I think this has worked out fine. Mostly because I do feel like Fred Johnson wanting an opportunity to go somewhere else should be factored in. Yeah. But I'm going to keep eye on the chat. I think this was good process. I'm going to keep my eye on the chat on this one. And we're going to see what they think.

I think this would be a good one to let the chat decide. Yeah, we're going to go worked out fine. Let's do it. For now. That's Kenyon Green, right? Kenyon Green. Are we calling that a costly mistake? Um

Oh Oh it is it All right Yeah it is DTR Oh yeah sorry I thought we slotted Isaiah Roberts Yeah

Okay DTR I mean Move of the season Uh I mean they got a pick for it too Right

I think I think this is move of the off season Yeah I know you love Dorian Thompson Move with the off season And this is the best thing the Eagles did

But for now I would put that at the top The top spot To get a pick for Kenny Pickett and to let Tanner McKee ascend to the number two job. Now they then did have to give up a pick for Sam Howell, but I would still

go move of the offseason. I thought I was going to have to pound the table for him, but let's put him up there. Listen, I'm a good friend. I'll let you have your favorite player there. And now Kenyon Green. Are you going to go costly mistake? Wouldn't do it again?

I would say wouldn't do it again. Now, this is just the Kenyon Green aspect of this. Yes. Not the CJ Gardner Johnson aspect of it. And so, yes, I feel like wouldn't do it again means you would still trade CJ Gardner-Johnson, you would just hope for anything different pack. Yeah, you would probably try to find a different developmental offensive line project.

Because, yeah, I don't begrudge the process. Like, it's basically the process that led to them getting McKaybeckton the offseason before. So, yeah, I would say wouldn't do it again with the benefit of hindsight there. I agree with that. All right, Josh Hushay. Solid value, don't you think? Yeah. They didn't pay him.

Much at all. He's been borderline okay. Yeah, no, I completely agree. I mean, I actually had lower expectations for him than he is. Yeah.

He's exceeded them by a good question. Me too. And he has zero sacks. But he's like competent eddressing snaps, which I wasn't positive he'd give them in the offseason.

Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I think solid value is a good one. Pretty chaste edge group so far other than Patrick Johnson. Zero sacks for all of them. No sacks. Yeah, I mean, it's not great. What a dry spell.

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Why don't we go to BG? All right. And then we'll go to break after that. And then we'll come back. We'll take a little break from the exercise. Oh, we just pull on the chat too. I love that. Pull on the chat.

Yeah. Interact with that. And for now, we send it to Brennan Graham from the set of the unblocked podcast. Back on the P.H.O.Y. Eagles podcast with the man himself, Brandon Graham. BG. We don't need to go too into it, but I will say Zadari Smith retires. Your locker is back. open.

I ain't think about that. He did take my locker, didn't he? He did take your locker. Maybe that was the bad juju. They need to not give that to anybody else. Man. And just keep it on reserve. I don't know what's going to happen, man.

All I know is, they're going to figure it out. They're going to figure it out. Somehow, somewhere they're going to figure it out. All right, here's my question, because it plays into that. You know, Zadari Smith is gone. Nolan Smith's on IR. Patrick Johnson is the only edge rusher who, who has a sack this season.

Yep. And because of that, we've seen Vic blitz a lot more this season than he did last season. A, what do you make of that? And B, as a defensive lineman, do you take, like, a fence at, he doesn't believe that we can get home on our own,

so he has to send blitzes? Well, you could look at it so many different ways, but it depends on the quarterback you plan, too. Okay. If you blitzing a rookie quarterback or you blitzing like some of the more inexperienced quarterback or people that hold the ball a little longer. Yeah.

Then, yeah. I mean, but you want to be able to play like a Mahomes or somebody where you strategically had different blitz dialed up in different moments, but you don't want to have to live on that the whole time because what I've seen so far with the Eagles is every time we've seen the blitz sometimes it's always like one miscue or somebody didn't have a guy or something like that.

Not saying it in the bad way, but it's more like if we execute the bliss well, then yeah, I think we can do it. But it's been tough to leave your corners on a man-to-man. Even though they got a job to do, they got to make sure that they're doing it. Most of the time I like when a Vic can run some zones and do more zone blitzes, if anything,

so that people won't have to travel with some of the receivers because, man, we definitely need some help in the back end as far as one of the corner on one side. And it's open for grabs for the guys there. I just hope that somebody's able to step up. But yeah, man, it's tough to see. As a D-Lyman, you want him to believe that y'all can get there before. But it's okay.

We got every team ain't going to have it like you've had it in the past. But I still think those guys can get the job down. Do you rush any differently if you know a blitz is on? Well, you're trying to get there faster. You're trying to get there because sometimes you say, sending more than you can block. So say it's a six-man pressure where we got six guys coming. They only got five guys up front unless they keep the tight end in or the running back in.

And then that helps us because that's one less guy in the route. And so as you as a defensive end, if anything, it's only going to create one-on-ones for you. But you got to make sure you get there fast. And then if you know the blitz is coming from your side. Yes. Does that change anything? Sometimes it does because. maybe they're going to play off of you.

I like when it's a blitz to my side because now it's about if they pick up the right person or some people might pick up two. Like one person, two people might pick up one person. Right. And now one person is free. And that's where the confusion comes in. It depends on the type of where each guy is going in the blitz.

The two defensive coordinator, the two great defensive coordinators, who you've had, Schwartz and Vic, neither of them liked to blitz very often. Is there a coordinator you played for who did like to blitz or who you thought was good at blitzing? Oh, no. Every time this segment.

Here's the deal. We do the show first, the full BG show, and then we do this after. You know why I've been like this. We've been here since seven in the morning. We're allowed to yawn. Yep. And I've been, I've been like this.

You know how I've been, they've been coming while we were talking. I'm just like, and it finally hits you at the end. Looking off into the distance. Yeah, just like, but the best one, oh, you know what? The best one, he is, he is McDermott. Sean McDermott. Okay.

Yeah, he dialed some stuff up. Yeah, you know, that first year, I don't know why he got fired early on. Yeah. it was something to that. They just didn't believe, probably just didn't believe in it right off the rip. Just came, just lost a great, you know, a tough coordinator. But he was up under him and then look where he's at now. Yeah, you're right.

I mean, they took a loss yesterday, but, you know, he's been doing a great job. I always remember the game plan he had against Peyton, your rookie year, I think it was. Like, Keenan Clayton, who hadn't played all year long. Oh, yeah. He was like the guy in that game. He was like, sending him in all these different. creative ways. Yep.

It was just a fun, like bespoke game plan. It was. It was fun, man. Was that the day, D.J. Who was in there? Riley Cooper when they did that play where he threw it back to D.J.

Was it the same game? No, it probably was. Yeah, yeah. I'm just thinking that's how far. But I know Coach Reed was there during that time. You mean the one when he laid down? When he laid down? Yeah, yeah.

I think that was in New Orleans. That was in New Orleans. That was in New Orleans. You're right. I meant Peyton Manning, not Sean Payton. Oh, you said, Oh, okay, yeah, Paymanning. Okay.

That game was at the link, yeah. Yeah, but at the link, and they had the blue helmets on. Yeah, they had the blue helmets on that game. Yep, yeah. I think so. They did. They did. They did.

They did. They did have the blue hammers because I remember a picture of me. I was about to get Peyton, and he threw it, and you could see him just like this. Like, there by to get him. But he threw it real quick. It was incomplete because I sped him up. Okay.

But that was like a, that was, a little moment for me because I was like man that's paid many. This reminds me of it was your rookie year right when you said the thing about like you wanted to sack Oh yeah Aaron Rogers I said yeah and I ain't know

That's a young me I say right I say yeah I'm gonna go whisper something in his ear sack and boy Coach Reed was like What are you doing? And I didn't even know I didn't know I didn't know It was just I was like Wow they blew that up big time I had to

go to Coach Reed, Coach Reed office. Was that the first time? He was like, come on, man. You're giving them bulletin board material and all this stuff. And I learned a key lesson in that early. But yeah, that didn't really stop you from talking to the media. Oh, yeah, no, no. But it was only because I wasn't considered a bus at that time.

So, of course, I'm playing too. I was a starter. Yeah. And so it was like, yeah, I'm going to go out there. I'm going to back it up anyway. I like the idea of whispering to him, too. Yeah. I so remember me being in the locker room saying, yeah, I'm a whisper something in his ear.

Sack. And it was like, I'm like, dang. Yeah, so that was funny. That was good. Is that the most angry Andy was ever at you? No, nope. Coach Reid definitely was just not about bulletin board material, though. Okay.

So he gave me a year for. What was the most angry he was with you? It's me doing dumb stuff, you know, off the field, off the field, some stuff we can't talk about. Okay. This is young you. Young me, though. Young me. But, you know, having to deal with some of the stuff,

knowing that, you know, Dom deal with it, but him, knowing about it and me having to go talk to him too. Like you're going to the principal's office? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. But one thing I can respect about coach, he didn't hold grudges. So it was just like once he talked about it was over with. How about other coaches?

Hold grudges. Was Doug ever mad at you? Was Chip ever mad at you? You know what? Chip probably didn't even talk to him. Chip didn't really say much. I'm excited for the, he was mad.

I'm excited for the week that they play the Raiders because we can have a whole discussion about Chip. Yeah, Chip, Chip didn't, what I would say, Chip, Chip didn't like me in the beginning because I came in, not 265 of what is outside linebackers normally be. I was coming in, Sam. specific. I was 280.

Yeah. 2.85 for real. Like, D-line weight. Like, I'm normally, you know, that's what I played. But he,

ever since then, like, he didn't really rock with me. That's what I felt. I felt the tension. Felt the tension of that. Then he was like, well,

he's not even going to make it through my practices and all this list of stuff. Then I, of course, I'm like, man, I'm in shape,

but I just didn't get to that level of where my weight. You felt like you get some power. Yeah. But, But once I got the training camp, my weight was down. This was OTAs that I came in. He just got hired for real.

And you just told me that you need me to be down, but they hold you to a high standard right off the rip. And I understood because you get fired. I mean, I don't know when he got in as far as like when we hired him. But as soon as I talked with him, he was like, yeah, he was like, man, you know, I'm thinking I want you to be this and that. Okay, I try to get there. Bet.

And then you get back in April and they ain't there yet. Even though it takes time. It takes time. Yeah. But all off season, I was working towards it. But, yeah, after that, he ain't really rock with me because he was already saying like most of the time his dean used to be like six, five and up, six four and up. Right. He wanted, he had a specific type.

He wanted Dionne, Dionne Jordan, all that stuff. Yeah. Marcus Marriota, all that. Yep. So yeah, it was, it was a coach, coach definitely. Instead, he had to settle for Lane Johnson. I know. I know had to settle for Lane Johnson

I'm like boy Lane Lane boy he's still the one of the ones yeah come on I'm glad I'm glad he didn't have his way at that time How about Doug? Doug ever get mad at you? No not really Doug was cool Doug was I mean Doug

You didn't eat enough of your ice cream Oh yeah well Doug Doug was yeah Doug was cool Nah I don't remember specific As if Doug was mad He was mad at the team But like I didn't see him going off about our play.

And how about Nick? Yeah, yeah, Nick. At you? Yeah, that AJ thing last year. Yeah, that boy was so mad. But it was cool, though, because, I mean, I learned a lot in that situation, too. I learned a lot, a lot of good stuff in that situation,

you know, how quick it could turn another way. You learned that if you're going to say something interesting, make sure it's on your own podcast. Well, yeah, that too, that too. That too. I show blew up WIP for a little second. They were hype about it. But, nah, it was, you know, it was something that happened that, you know, I wasn't. I ain't like that my phone was blowing up that night.

But also, I mean, listen, this is the thing we've talked about, where sometimes you don't know where it's going to lead. I think that turned out to be a good thing. I did, I did too. I did too. And really, what I was saying was just, everybody just handle your business, handle your business in-house. Don't let nobody try to...

Don't let nobody outside. The outside noise mess up what you got. With you and him or you and everybody else, will you and him know. You know what I'm saying? Because nobody knows nothing. If I don't put that out there or if I don't say nothing.

If I got a problem with you, I'm going to come to you. And that ain't always easy. It's uncomfortable. Yes, it's uncomfortable. But don't let nobody... It'll be even more uncomfortable when you put it all out there

and then all these people like siding with what you thought should have been you. Right. And then it's now siding with, it's really no sides. It's just about us coming up with a common, on some common ground where we both can say, you know what, we both felt hurt.

I might have been overstepping or I might have not. Whatever the problem was, whatever it is. It's like, y'all can handle that together. Do you think they need that again this year? I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I will hope that whatever it is, you just keep it, keep it together. You know what I'm saying with each other?

Because, man, it should, as men, we should all be able to just talk, talk it out, talk it out and just be able to, man, you know what, man, I was wrong. I was wrong. Yeah, I was wrong. I didn't, I shouldn't have did that. I mean, man, if you take, if you take, I don't want you to say sorry on, something that you don't feel you really should be, because if

it's not something that you really did, then don't, don't be sorry about it. But you know what? I can empathize with how you feel. Sure. But, you know, I'm not sorry because I don't mean I meant that, you know, or whatever.

But I can respect that more. You know, it's just, let's just handle our business with, you know, with any problems that come up. take care of them in-house man because you don't need everybody in there because most people want you to be miserable most people want you to uh feel a certain way because they feel in a certain way in private and so i know that um i've learned that like man you can't involve everybody in your

business because some people want you to fail some people want y'all to be at eyes because maybe they don't like how y'all are friends and they want to be friends you know what i'm saying yeah all that little stuff man it's just it's some weird stuff to be going on i hear of these days, man. It's good therapist talk. I'm just telling you. You just don't know, man. That's why they say, keep your, keep all your stuff to yourself, all your love, your wins,

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Yeah, like Neo Soul. I can't look at a naked man with him thinking about DeAngelo. Yeah, you can't. The Neo Soul movement really starts with him in a way that, like, if you scroll on Instagram, if you, like, see, like, ten different guitar players, like, eight of them are playing Neo Soul. And, like, it's all because of DeAngel. I had no idea. Yeah. Very influential.

Serves me right for just focusing on the body. Well, his picture was up in my, like, sister's room when we were kids. Okay. I was always like, come on. Now we're talking. She just loved Neo Soul guitars. Yeah, exactly. That definitely was why it was up there.

Just a real appreciation for the pioneer, him pioneering. Yeah. A new genre of music. All right. Who's next on our list? Okay. So it looks like we've got Harrison Bryant. Ah, Harry B.

I got to clear out for you on Harrison, Brian. I feel like you have some things you need to unpack here. I didn't think that I did, but I would go wouldn't do again here. Oh, for sure. It wasn't costly, but you wouldn't do it again. Here's the Harrison Bryant issue. Harrison Brian was fine process. I would actually probably even just put it at meh.

No, I think he belongs and wouldn't do it again. Because we have to put somebody. You went him and Granson. You hope that one of those guys turns out fine. Granson has been fine. We'll get to him. But I still think the Eagles dropped the ball here in not adding a young tight end in the draft or undrafted for agency.

But we're not factoring in the draft on the second. No, I wouldn't do it again because to me, Harrison Bryant represented like, well, if you need a dirty work tight end, this is the one that you might lean toward. The fact that he wasn't up for that job, I think it does have some slight ripple effects on the Eagles Run game. Yeah. Okay. I'll let you. I saw somebody call me a pushover millennial in the chat. It's like, I got to bring it this segment.

Okay. Got a Harry B. Charlie Hewling. I think you're mad. worked out fine, I guess. I mean, I haven't had any long snapper issues, even though he's got hurt. Worked out fine, I think, is acceptable.

Yeah. Patrick Johnson. Borderline move of the off season. I think let's put him up there and let's discuss it later. Solid value for now, or you want to put him... Let's put him in move of the off season. Oh, okay.

Only one guy can be the move of the off season. All right, I like that. DTR. It's going to be hard to unseat. All right. Aziz Ojalari. I think it has to be meh right here because I disagree

where are you going costly mistake costly mistake I am I'm still holding space for the idea of Azizzo Jalari I mean he looked good last game he had a better game than any edge rusher they've had it seemed to me I know he didn't sign for a lot of money

but to me they spent more money on him than they spent on anybody yeah and like that was like their one flyer yeah they're one flyer on edge rusher Obviously not their one-fired, but their biggest, like, we are going to take a chance on a guy. For five games. Yeah. So I think it's costly a mistake. I think that's fair.

Yeah. Okay. Who do we got next? Kylan Granson. Worked out fine. Oh, I would go solid value. I mean, he's fine. I mean, he's, but he's not great.

All right. I could soften. When I'm looking at the guys in solid value, I think Granson belongs more in the worked-out-fine category. Okay. Avery Williams It took me a second to figure out of this. Yeah, I agree. Not actually costly,

but costly in the sense that Nick embarrassed himself at the owner's meeting. Yeah, I got no argument. I said offense. Yeah, costly mistake. I said costly. Letting Oren Brooks leave, I think worked out fine. Maybe even solved that.

Yeah, I was a little bit surprised at that. given the fact that they then drafted Jehad Campbell, I think it worked out fine, it's okay. I think you could even go solid value. Like, you don't pay, like, a veteran linebacker that contributes mostly on special teams if you can backfill it with Jeremiah Trotter Jr. And Smile Mondin and obviously...

I think, but I think... I'm willing to give that to you, but I think that this, we would view this differently if they didn't... I don't think that Jeremiah Trader Jr. would have filled that hole the same way. If he had to start the first six weeks, you'd rather have Warren Burks.

Yes. Okay, all right, worked out fine. I'm good with that. A dory Jackson costly mistake yeah I tend to agree wouldn't do again I mean it's not that costly

but it's cost it's it's the opportunity cost that could have been somebody else I think we put it you know what I think we put it and wouldn't do again and I'll explain why because I think the

like it's important to remember that the Eagles took a lot of flyers on guys this off season they were taking chances low percentage chances on a handful of players hoping that some of them would hit, hoping that they wouldn't need some of them to hit

because of the rookies that they had to backfill. I feel like with Adori Jackson, like, what were you really going to expect from him? You know, like, it wasn't, it's not like a realistic to think that he was going to step in and be like a really good starter. I think that was hedging. This level of play is exactly what you should have expected.

Yeah, so I think wouldn't do it again is probably a fair, a fair descriptor for it. I mean, honestly, I'm more, between me and wouldn't do it again. I think like it is costly that they haven't fixed that cornerback two spot, but I think that's more the way that they approached it in the, as a whole, rather than just signing a door to-john. Yeah, I don't think, I don't think they got bad value from adori jacks. Exactly. I just think that if they didn't sign adory jacks and they could have signed somebody else. Yeah, but who might have had a wider variance and could have

provided you a little bit more upside. Okay. I think wouldn't do it again is probably. Okay. I think that's fine. Yeah. Uh, J. Dillon. Costly mistake. Why is he playing? I think it's fine. I think it worked out fine. Why is he playing? They have Tank Biggsby and Will Shipley healthy.

Why is AJ Dylan getting snaps? He looks good. You like that fumble? Okay. You know what I mean, though? Like, he has looked productive. I think it's, I think it's meh. I would say worked out fine.

I think he's taking snaps away from guys who should get them anyway. Yeah, but if he goes offense is more functional, I could make an argument. All right. You want to stand behind. on table for AJ Dylan and all he stands for. That's fine with me. I'm fine. Worked out fine. Because I'm not doing that. Kendall Lamb. We should have pulled the chat to see who knew who that was. I actually, I think that's meh. Yeah, I think it's, I think it was a fine swing to take and they didn't, it was no guaranteed money, I think.

Terrace Marshall. I think that's also meh. Yeah, I think it's just whatever. Matt Pryor. worked out fine. Yeah, I think it's like by the skin of his teeth. Yeah. He's worked out fine. Yeah. You know, like you need some depth there.

Yeah. It's fine. Kenny Pickett. Well, so how are we, how are we distinguishing between Kenny Pickett and Dorian Thompson Robinson? Because Kenny Pickett is the one who should be borderline move of the off season, not Dorian Thompson.

Yeah, you're probably right, as much as I hate to admit it. Okay. So put Pickett up there next to Patrick Johnson. Don't drop DTR. Drop DTR. drop DTR to MET.

No, don't put him in M. What about, what about... What do you mean what about... Got to help my guy here. I think solid value. What do you mean? Solid value. This is a bad faith argument by me.

It's terrible. It worked out fine. It worked out fine. It was fine. They got a pick. It was just... But the pick is for picket. Yeah, but they took a flyer on DTR

and that's the process that gets you. Man. I cannot believe you're fighting for it worked out fine. He's not on the team. He could have been fine. He could have been fine. But it didn't work out fine. I'll never forget those four practices where he looked like.

Send him to the Canton. He looked like a competent emergency quarterback. All right. We got the two big ones left. Who's that first one? CJ Gardner Johnson. Oh. I think that might be moving.

Solid value. You can make an argument for moving this season. season. This is again, it's tough because it's in conjunction with Kenyon Green. I think, I think the decision to move on from CJ I think solid value because I honestly, I don't know that CJ Gardner Johnson, if he were still here, would be the kind of headache that it seems like he's been in Houston and Baltimore. It's just crazy. I don't know if our listener saw C.J. Gardner Johnson was released from the Ravens practice squad earlier today. It was a mutual decision between the Ravens and his agent, reportedly.

This is from Adam Schefter. Basically, like, the Ravens trading for a safety made CJ Gardner Johnson want to find a new home off of a practice squad. It's just crazy, like, how many opportunities he's gone through in the last 12 months. Yeah, I think solid value is probably fair, but it still is crazy to me.

It's like what's happened since they traded him has really, like, validated the decision to trade him. So. Although it's not like they're like rock soft. I mean, Andrew McCuber's had some mistakes. And if you have CJ, do you draft an offensive lineman? Right. Or an edge rusher.

Yeah. We've got one person left to talk about. AJ. That's Isaiah Rogers, the thumbnail. And unfortunately, we don't have time to get to it until overtime. Isaiah Rogers, the one who got away. What could have been? How do you feel?

First off, the chat says that, Fred Johnson worked out fine. So I just wanted to make sure we got that one clear. I think we have them. Isn't that where we have them? Yeah, we have. I just wanted to validate. Okay.

So it's important that we let the chat weigh in on them agreeing with the one thing we already have. All right. Don't be a tyrant. They voted. There were 75 people who voted. Oh, that was a voting poll. Yeah, I apologize. Yeah.

Get him, chat. All right. I mean, Isaiah Rogers pretty clearly fits into costly mistake. Yes. Now, I used to make the argument that like the money that you you spend to keep Dallas Goddard was like the inflection point like if you didn't have gotter we could have we could have but where would you put him solid value yeah I mean he's been playing well

so I think it's fair but I don't think it is as mutually exclusive as I painted it to be like the Isaiah Rogers Dallas Goder like or you know any of like the singular decisions right they probably could have afforded to keep him. I think so too. Yeah, and I do think it is a costly mistake. Obviously, it's been costly. No doubt. And listen, I think the Eagles wanted to bring Isaiah Rogers back.

Yes. But they didn't blow him away. They didn't want him that badly. Right. Right? Yeah. And there's also then the distinction of, okay, if we know that they wanted him back

and they weren't willing to blow him away, that means that they acknowledged that Keeley Ringo probably wasn't ready to start. And so from there, they proceeded and answered that by taking a flyer on Adori Jackson and drafting MacMew Williams in the fifth round. Yeah.

And then trading for Judi-Core and Bennett. Is that good enough? In conjunction with what they left at edge? Probably not. Yeah. No, I completely agree. It's just, it, is hard, especially with like what we know about the Eagles and like their

ability to kind of work around salary cap constrictions. Like it doesn't feel like as much of a financial decision as more of just like a mismanagement of the situation and free agency. Yeah, it is, it is rare for the Eagles to want to retain a home, homegrown, but a player from their own roster. Yeah, you hear how you were talking about like wanting to like be, have the best evaluation of your own guys. Like you don't want somebody to leave.

The Isaiah Rogers situation is something that Howard Rosen has talked about, like that exact situation, not wanting that stuff to happen. Like you don't want a player to leave your building and show that they are, you know, the type of player that Isaiah Rogers has shown to become somewhere else. So I think that their internally evaluation of him was probably accurate, maybe a little bit lower.

Light enough. Yeah, but, you know, it's still just like it's a rare thing that we see from the Eagles, but still like, yeah, I think it has been a costly mistake. make, you know, not like, I know like he's not like like the splashy plays, but even just like competent corner, cornerback play. Like right. Like, yeah, it's just, it's really showing up in how the secondaries look this year.

So if you could wave a magic wand and fix corner two or edge one or edge two, let's call it, which one do you think would make a bigger difference? The tricky thing is like, how am I fixing edge one in this scenario? Like, it's not like the thing about the Isaiah. Rogers. Let's just say it's Joshua. Yeah, I would do Isaiah Rogers. Like, doing guys. How nice for you.

Yeah, I would definitely choose Isaiah Rogers. There's no DeAngelo. That is true. Yeah, I would choose Isaiah Rogers because I think the impact is probably a little bit higher than Joshua. I could see a world where Josh Swet is on this team and the address for rotation still isn't good enough. But if you told me that Isaiah Rogers was the second corner and Quinnion, was like the star, the guy who follows everyone or follows each week, follows the number one receiver each week.

Like, I feel really, really good about that secondary. And again, we saw, like, Isaiah Rogers last season, he wasn't perfect. You know, he had some struggles at the catch point. But, I mean, he came in and made big plays, like, in relief duty on multiple occasions in a way where, again, and, like, I just keep going back to the offseason. When it happened, I was like, man, I'm surprised the Eagles wouldn't do that. So, yeah, I just. I want to like make a little bit of like a space.

I know I always say that, but I want to make a little bit of space for like something, you know, this happening or like they're being more to this and it's just like the Eagles just didn't value him because like I said, I agree with you. I think they did value him.

But not enough. Yeah, exactly. But not in a way like to to avoid like they valued Zach Barron and they valued Seaguan Barclay. They got those guys done before free agency. Yeah, exactly. They weren't aggressive, you know, to get him back. A good point in the chat.

from Ayush, who says we forgot about Bryce Huff. Where would you put Bryce Huff, that trade? Honestly, I probably put it and wouldn't do it again. I agree. I mean, given the way that they're edge rush. I mean, I think that was probably just a marriage that had soured. I think there wasn't coming back. There is, like, it's important to remember that, like, this guy clearly was, like, just not happy.

Didn't want to be here. Yeah. So that factors into it, but, I mean. I think you just make it mad. I think it's like you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, take your loss. I think you almost, do you think it's just like, I mean, he's got three sacks this season.

Yeah. Do you think that it's like he just wasn't a good fit for Vic and you just say whatever? Probably cut our losses. Yes. Okay. I mean, that's fair. But when you look at the Eagles edge group,

it is hard to like square that they spent $51 million a year ago. Yeah. On Bryce Huff and he's got three sacks for the 49ers right now. I agree. So. All right. Now we have to do the last thing. What's the move of the off season?

Is it Kenny Pickett or? What was the other one? Who was the other one? Can he pick it or Patrick Johnson? Or DTR if I want to sneak him in there. It's really... I mean, if you look at this, it paints probably the accurate picture

of the Eagles last season, don't you think? Like, that the guys who left were solid value. Yeah. And then like all... I mean, yeah, if you had done this last year, move of the off season would have been Sequin Barclay or Zach Bond. That is a very good point.

Yeah, so see, the tier list. Yeah. Let's, come on, we got to get a little there. There were been a year when it was A.J. Brown. Yeah. Now we're debating whether it's Patrick Johnson or getting a pick for Kenny Pickett. I mean, I feel like in the spirit of the tier list, we should probably go with an acquisition. Can I throw a Josh Ushey in there?

You can. I will rebuff it. It's Patrick Johnson, but that does say a lot about like, I know they didn't have much money to spend, but still, like, dang, that's tough. It's the answer is Jahad Campbell, but like, we're not going to draft picks. Yeah. I might go picket. Trading picket.

You just, that's like the Tanner McKee. Yeah. Inclusion. All right. Let's go Patrick Johnson. Yeah, it's got to be. Congratulations to Patrick Johnson. To join Seguan Barclay, A.J. Brown, who would have been the year before.

Who would have been in 2023? DeAndre Swift? Yeah. I mean, I can hear. I can. Right. There goes 2023. If you can...

By the way, Patrick Johnson, who didn't even make the week one roster, much to the chagrin of the people who correctly predicted that he should have been on it. I mean, you lost. It's okay. 2020 was also a pretty bad offseason. So, like James Bradbury.

Right. No, because he just re-signed. Yeah. Yeah. No, their acquisitions were pretty bad that off-season, too. It's another 20-23 comparison. Yeah. Yeah.

All right, good stuff. Yeah, we can also say Zach Bonn, which we didn't. No, but that's, that's an extension. I don't think he was a free agent. It's not an extension. Yeah, but they re-signed him. They resigned him a couple days before for agency. Yeah, but he was due to be a free agent.

It's different than like extending Seguan. I don't consider that to be the same, the same category. I do. Well, no, I mean, it's acquisitions or departures. we're not doing like, like that was a retention, not an acquisition. But all the people we're talking about who left would have been retentions. Yeah. So it's the same thing as Azte Rogers, except they actually got them.

I don't think that you could call Zach Bond the move of the season. It's more cut and dry. I guess like the spirit of the exercise is like the decisions that they had to make. Yeah. But they had to make a decision to re-sign Zach Bonn. I don't understand why you don't think that. That counts. Then fine.

Zach Bonn is the move of the movie of the off season. But it's more fun for it to be Patrick Johnson. It's more fun for it to be like the newcomers and then the outgoings to me. Okay. Not the like, we saw this guy be awesome for 17 games and we resigned him. Yeah, but that's part of the deal. Oh, sure.

With Isaiah Rogers too. Yeah. And Josh Wett and Milton Williams? Like all of these guys are in the same category. Well, then you would add Zachon and Seqon Barclan. Well, not, Sequin wasn't a free agent. That one wouldn't count. I mean, it's the same thing, though.

It's not the same thing. One guy would have hit the open market. I feel like I wouldn't. All right, I get it. I get it. All right, fine. Zach Bond, move of the offseason. Zach Bond's second tier behind Patrick Johnson.

I like that. Okay. What else is going on in your life? That was your beat writer long weekend? It was good. I was really annoyed. I couldn't sleep past 7 a.m. on Sunday. I don't know why.

A job, by you. Yeah, it was tough. I made some brisket. It was pretty good. Wasn't great. What would you change or what? You know, but what wasn't great? You asked me, so I'm going to answer it in the weeds.

I use a pellet smoker, which is kind of frowned upon by like half the barbecuing world because it's not the most like hardcore, like wood burning offset smoker setup. And I do think that the pellet smokers have like certain limitations. And one of them, and this is like a hot take, I don't, I haven't read this anywhere. This is my personal opinion at this point. I think if you have a really, really good brisket, because when I was trimming this brisket, I'm like, my God, this thing is incredible. Like, you know, the marbling in here is unbelievable.

I think, see, I get excited. I think when it's like that marbled and you have that much fat to render, you can't do it on a pellet grill, I think. Why? Because you can't, you can't heat up a pellet grill the same way you can with an offset. Like, you have to cook, for me, I have to cook a brisket in like the low 200s on an offset.

you cook it in the high 200s because it's actually offset heat. Like it's an indirect, it's a more indirect heating system. Okay. With the pellet grill, the heating sources in the bottom, you have a deflector shield.

Shield gets hot. Like you have to be more careful on a pellet smoker. So you can't render fat as effectively. You need that heat. Okay. That's interesting. Yeah.

So it was still pretty good though. It looked good. I posted a picture of it. Did you hear what handsome rich called it? No. Food porn. Oh, I didn't hear. Yeah, I did hear it.

It was like in like the third minute of the show. I was like, we're off to a bad start here. But yeah, otherwise, I did have something else I wanted to ask about on the podcast, but now I can't think of what it is. So you got anything? How was your day off? Good. Kids are the day off.

So went to the Franklin Institute. Yeah. That was fun. I was at a wedding at the Franklin Institute. Leah, we're moving. Leah, we transitioned her to her own room over the past couple nights, which is good, but that means I'm sleeping on the floor of that room to help her get through the night. So they've been, been some long nights.

Hmm. Okay. Adding to the loopiness. Yeah. If you got to sleep on the floor, is it too early? I don't know anything about parenting. No, because she's got to get there eventually. This is helping her through the transition. Yeah, it makes sense.

Well. I'm on night duty. I respect that you're not alternating with your wife on this one. No, the nighttime is my time. Okay. That's my purview. She's sleeping through the night. Well, she's sleeping through the night, but she's like...

Tossing and turning. Tossing and turning. You need to pacify her, yeah. It's exciting. What is, like, the most exciting time, like, of, like, a... Between, like, newborn and, like, four. What's, like, the one thing when they start doing it? Like, a whole lot of life there.

Yeah, but, like, what's, like, the one thing that when they start doing, it's like, oh, man, it's so cool. Oh, I don't know. I mean, all of it. Every stage is fun. I don't want a cop out. That's not a cop out. It is. Right now I would say it'll be great when she's crawling or, but then when she's talking.

It's all great. You see them grow up. That's fantastic. Yeah, you got to have a favorite. I'll ask you off. I don't have to have a favorite. What do you know about it? I know nothing.

I've raised two dogs, but that's not the same. Although, there are some similarities. Don't get me started here. I think there are some similarities there They're both living beings Yeah That grow up in front of your eyes You gotta raise them

Yeah I just said I don't know anything about parenting So yeah I watch my sister parent She seems pretty good at it Okay So She learned from DeAngelo

That's the other sister All right Good stuff P.H.I. Eagles podcast. Back tomorrow. It's Amina Kimes Wednesday. Look forward to that on Thursday. On Thursday, it's the first day for our new Eagles producer. Ooh. So we look forward to introducing you to that person. May or may not know them. You may or may not know them. We'll have Fran as well. And then, of course, the professor on Friday.

We have special guests on Thursday, too. That's what I just said. Oh, I thought you. Oh. I thought you. Oh. I get where you're, what you understand now. I got confused. You know why I got confused too. And people are worried about Julia, Julia's not going anywhere.

She's just being freed up a little bit. She doesn't have to be tethered to us. Hopefully we'll get her laugh track. She got sick of us. Yeah. Thank you, Andrew. You look great. Thank you.

That'll do it for this episode of the P.HL. The Eagles podcast. Elevator's still broken. So we're going to jump out the window. Anyone else? you want to thank? Nope. Thanks Brandon Graham

for walking up seven flights of stairs today. What about the chat? How was BG when he got it to? Oh, we didn't get the Super Chats. Oh, well, was BG out of breath when he got to the top of the stairs? Yeah, which makes me feel better.

Yeah, I mean, it's a professional athlete. He's out of breath. What to say? It's good for us. Alex Medina with the Super Chats says, why are people acting like a Super Bowl hangover doesn't exist? But I am aware they should be doing better.

It's fair. I think the difference is in this not just being sort of general run of the mill leftover is one, it's not entirely injury related, although I think that is a real part of it. The biggest difference is they seem miserable over there. It's not like, you know. But that could be, I was going to say that could be the Super Bowl hanger. That could be part of it.

But this is something that's been going on for years. Like this is, like, I don't think that this is new stuff. I think it's really like the culmination. And you would have hoped that winning the Super Bowl might alleviate some of that stuff. Yeah. But I think that is a fair perspective to be like, listen, they were bad, or they were four and two, mediocre last year at this point too. They deserve some grace to be able to turn things around.

I think we are reflecting what seems to be a consternation in the building. Yes, I would agree with that. Fresh Prince. Jalen hasn't been playing well. the last two weeks. The offense is predictable because there are plays that Jalen likes. Shouldn't coaches work with him to get better at things that he doesn't like? Yes.

I think that that is a real dynamic going on in that building is as Jalen's power grows, rightfully so, given everything he's done, maybe the offense is leaning into some things that he likes. But the job of the coach is not to do what Jalen wants to do. it's to do what's best for the team. And so if he has to have tough conversations and ask Jalen or tell Jalen to do things differently on offense,

that's part of the job. Yeah, I mean, I was going to say Fresh Prince is like an astute observer and listener to all things, Eagles, based off of that question, because that is the question, in my opinion. Alex Medina checks back in. Who's going to contribute more to the Eagles?

Tank Biggsby or Golden Tate? Well, Tank Biggsby's EPA is definitely in the next. negatives. Yes. I feel like Golden Tate probably wasn't. Well,

Golden Tate was a much higher pick. The third round pick relative to investment. But he did make a key play in the playoffs.

Relative to investment, you could make an argument for Tank Bigsby but just like pure like Bigsby's under

contract next year. That's the difference. He's got some work to do. And I think there is a we'll see. I think there's a chance he's to back

up running back next year or at least ahead of A. J. Dillon? Don't speak too fast now. He should be anyway. So I think we will look back fonder on the Bigsby trade than the Tate trade.

Yeah, I would agree with that. He's just got more time to, as this is a soccer expression, but put it right. I don't think it's soccer. I think it's just British. Put it right. Put it right where? No. Absolutely not.

20 minutes into overtime and you're asking me that. This wasn't actually a loopy Tuesday. It was a pretty substantive. Honestly, I was loopier out there. You'll never guess what I'm over here looking up. Where to put it? No.

AJ Dillon's accessory. I feel like he's been fine. It's not bad. Yeah, it's fine. but those carriers also could have gone to somebody else. It's a small sample size. And he fumbled.

I mean, so you're going to, he dropped the ball on the kickoff return. Out of bounds. One of the funniest plays I've ever seen. Oh, I'm saying. He's been okay. He's got the second highest success rate on the team.

Behind Jalen Hertz. So? I don't want to be like the, the defender of A.J. Dillon here. I'm just saying. He's your new DTR. All right. That'll do it.

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