PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Revisiting the scouting report on Eagles like Jalen Hurts, Cooper DeJean as draft prospects

Episode Date: June 19, 2025

Fran Duffy is in the house as we continue to raise money for Big Brothers, Big Sisters and we’re turning the clock back to when a bunch of Eagles like Jalen Hurts, Cooper DeJean, Nolan Smith and more were entering the league as draft prospects. How did Fran evaluate them back then? Tune in to find out and join the contributions. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

for the PHLY Eagles podcast. Presented by True Mark Financial. Excuse me. We're here on a Thursday afternoon. Bo Wolf, Fran Duffy, as PHLY Spirit Week rolls on and today after the wonderful streamathon that we had yesterday,

I hope everybody has been able to check out all of those episodes. Two in particular that I will recommend. One, the draft conversation. I feel like with you and Charlie and Derek was a lot of fun. Yes. We'll be getting that up on the audio channels at some point soon.

But more importantly, I mean, the producer hour with Julia in charge was just fantastic. So I still have yet to hear the impersonations. Oh, very good. So I was trying to scroll through live last night. I got to have to have to watch this. I have to watch this. And I couldn't find him with the 12 hour stream. Yes.

You know, the bar, the search bar is very difficult. It's hard to find where you want to go. So I will be, that will be with the first order of business. this once I'm able to really kind of look at the granular show individually. Julia, what was the, what was the come down like from that dynamic on-screen performance? It was, it was difficult, it was difficult. It was stressful. Did you feel like you're ready to take over the show?

No, no, no. I mean, anytime you want. No, I had a full rundown. I'm so glad I didn't even need to look at it because I was like, I don't know what I'm doing. This is, luckily, the people had questions. I was really disappointed in myself because I couldn't think on the spot for your question. about the Lord of the Rings. I was like, oh, man, I got a...

We got a drip. Uh-oh. Nice. One of those hot days. Yeah. Working extra hard up there. Condensation, yeah. The whole thing might fall down.

You never know. All right. The conceit of today's show, the conceit, is that we are going to look back on some of the Fran Duffy's scatter reports on a bunch of various current eagles. But we also,

today's the day where we're really narrowing in on raising this money for Big Brothers, big sisters. And I believe we have as a, as a company just topped our goal. Have we hit? 10,000. We're right in on there,

but, you know, we don't stop there. We also want bragging rights. Now, I mean, we're all teammates here at PHOI, but I want,

I want us to raise the most money today. Yes. Let's, you know, let's, let's make it rain a little bit. So here's what I'm thinking. I want to,

I want to do a couple different levels here. Okay. Let's say a $10 donation means that you can either ask a question or request a specific, Eagle that you want to hear Fran's pre-draft scyton report on. I like that. A $20

donation, we will add five minutes to the end of the show. Five minutes to the end of the show. Five minutes to the end of the show. Okay, got it. And a $50 donation, you can have your choice of a diehard membership or one of my T-shirts.

One of your T-shirts. Yeah. Any shirt or a P-H-O-I shirt. Of my choice. Got it. All right. Yeah. I like that. So if you're a diehard already and you just want some of Bose wardrobe,

yeah. You got to show a lot of the money. Bowes choose. I'll throw in some baseball cards too. There go. This way I'm, you know, just chipping off one piece of the time the things that,

uh, Rachel would like me to get rid of in the house. Right. Well, again, and again, we are competing not just, Rachel's going to donate a thousand dollars. Yeah,

but she's going to get them sent to her house. But then she can throw them out. We are competing with the PHOI Sixers show. They're going to go to air. The fire show just ended. Anthony this morning, John Marks this morning. So trying to help us out here.

We're trying to beat all of our teammates here with PHOI. Okay. This is a nice thing that we have your database from all of these years that was not public that we can just, you know, pull from for content in the summer. This is kind of nice. You know, I figure, well, this was your goal all the law. We could spread it out over a handful of shows. But I figured, all right, there's a few that.

I know you and I definitely want to hit on. Yes. Then we'll open it up to the masses. We'll see who everybody wants to hear about. And there are a couple we're going to save, unless they're specifically requested. I think there's a good idea for a show for you and Zach to do later on in the summer. But let's, I mean, let's, they tell you that, you know, one thing that's important in the YouTube algorithm is to make sure that the topic that is, that is teased in, you know, in the thumbnail and the headline, make sure you hit that one early.

Let's go to Jalen Hertz. Let's start with Jalen Hertz. Let's make sure that we're really rocketing up the algorithm. Yeah. Well, the 2020 class, which was a pretty strong class. I mean, you know, Joe Burrow goes number one. You had Jordan Love and Justin Herbert. You had two, uh, that was how I had those guys stacked coming out. I had, it was Burrow one, Love 2, Herbert 3, 2, or 4. And, you know, you had those guys in the first round. And then after that, there was, there was that gap. And so, you know, Jalen Hertz went in the second round, obviously, as we know, at this point, late second round.

And it was a little bit of a surprise at that point that he was going to go that early, certainly to the Philadelphia Eagles. The big thing that I remember from the pre-draft evaluation of Jalen Hertz was that, number one, every time I watched him, every time I got exposed to him, he got better every single time. You know, you watch him early on in his career at Alabama. And you say, all right, like, there's things to develop here, but he certainly needs. more refinement as a passer. He goes to Oklahoma. He plays for Lincoln Riley, takes that step as a

passer. But still, the thing, it was still a little bit rough around the edges. He saw him at the senior bowl, saw him throw live there. That was my first time seeing him live. And it was solid. But then just a few weeks later at the combine, I thought he even got better. And so again, you just saw him get better at every stage. That's been a theme of his throughout the NFL as well. So just kind of going through my notes on Jalen Hertz. You know, some of the strengths there, obviously, look, lined up primarily in the shotgun coming out of Lincoln Riley's offense, short, stocky frame, long arms, really small hands, very athletic, definitely brings a dynamic element to an offense from a QB run game's perspective.

It can be used in various ways in that phase. It's got light feet navigating from center, able to make throws from a variety of arm slots while being off balance. Wasn't asked to do anything pre-snap when he was at Oklahoma and has improved a lot on the field, which is something I wanted to make sure I made note of in the scouting report. bails the pocket a little bit too quickly, has to develop more presence in tight spaces.

I thought that that showed up throughout the course of his college career, and he often would throw from a poor base, and that was really apparent early on in his career and got better as his tenure went on. Obviously, coming from that Lincoln Raleigh scheme, there were a lot of, you know, schemed up plays where he was able to just kind of get the ball out fast,

but you saw him, you know, show that ability to kind of go through progressions, make plays late in the down as well. Quick arm action, quick release. the ball, he had a solid arm, not a great arm. But at the end of the day, this was a guy that I gave as a projectable starter grade. This was the final summary. Athletic passer with natural tools and all the intangibles.

But at the end of the day, still limited as a pure passer. We'll require seasoning early on and likely will require a specific scheme to make things easy for him if he's thrown into the lineup early on. Still, he's a playmaker, a great locker room guy who you know that you can depend on. And again, I gave him a projectable starter green. So where do you think you were right? Where do you think you were wrong? I think I was right in the like the obviously all of the all of the info there seems to track. Yeah.

I mean, you know, to me, I think the passable or the, uh, the developmental passer element of it, I think was right. Um, I felt good about the intangibles. And honestly, like that was, it was that draft where I really kind of started to come around. All right. Like the guys that are unrefined, but if they've got all the intangibles, like, You've sold me.

Like, I feel good about, like, having that guy, even though he needs refinement, having him up a little bit further in the rankings, then maybe I would have, you know, two years prior to that position. I think so, yes. And that was a, that was a draft where like that, you know, not necessarily like in that draft cycle, but like maybe in the fall previous, the previous summer, like going into that 2020 class where that was a point of emphasis for me and even just kind of looking through some of the other guys that I was high on that year.

Like Tristan Wirfs was one where it's like, man, like, uh, the, coming from Iowa, like he was a very polished player, but he was still like very much like kind of like a moldable ball of clay. It was just like the height, weight speed was outstanding. And it was outstanding character. It was like, all right, like any unrefignment that is there for Tristan Werf's, I feel really good about his ability to hit it. And then there were other guys where it was like,

all right, like this guy has a lot of traits. But, you know, there's like whispers about like off field stuff. Like, all right, like maybe I won't put them all the way up because I don't feel great about them hitting that upside. And so where did you have him among the quarterbacks? I had him after that group, certainly, after that top four, him and Jacob Isan from Washington,

who that's honestly, the guy that I had him teared with because I had both as projectable starter grades. Eason did not have the, the great intangibles. Like people were not, he was the number one quarterback coming out of high school, like huge arm,

pure pocket passer, transferred from Georgia, went to Washington, and it was kind of like, yeah, like he's not the intangible guy. whereas Hertz was nowhere near as refined but had all the intangibles

had them in the same bucket because they were developmental starter grades but yeah I had those guys very similarly graded okay. You have an eyelash under your eye. Do you care about you make a wish guy? I got it yeah. You did get it unless there's another one

there's another one wow here you go he wished for the show to be over no we've got plenty we have 50 more minutes at least yeah you said something interesting there about Jalen Hertz's hands, which has not really

been something that I've thought about. And then I look it up and they're like 60 something percentile. But it is interesting because then I was looking around. It seems like the Eagles have made an effort to surround Jalen Hertz with guys whose hands are smaller than his. Okay. So they're really, you know, Jalen, don't worry, this is not an issue.

Like you believe, oh, look at how big your hands are, Jalen. Because you've got Pickett, obviously. he's at, you know, he's, he's, he's, first percentile. Right. But even Tanner McKee, he was a tall guy. He's like 37th percentile. Kyle McCord, who they drafted is, is 40-something percentile. So I think if you are looking at who the quarterbacks are, the egos want to surround Jalen Hertz with, they want to protect his hand-sized ego. Yeah. And be like, listen, no one's, no one's coming for your hands, Jill. Like, those are, those are very big hands. Oh, my gosh, those are so big.

He just wants Freddie, he wants to do the Freddie Mitchell. I just want to be thankful for his hands. Yes. Never. Never had someone with such big hands. Oh my gosh. That's that's that's that's conversation with him and how yeah. Yeah, I think you're probably right. Okay. We have our first, uh, $10 donation from CDP. CDP and he wants you to pull up your 2,021 database. Thank you for the year. Yes, friend. And he wants to know how you scout it. Former seventh round pick, Jacoby Stevens. I was high on Jacobi Stevens. I was very, very, excited about Jacoby-C now the thing with Stevens was he was a college safety at LSU that basically he played like the and I remember actually saying it that he played the Malcolm Jenkins role

for LSU at the time like he was the the dime defense he was the the quarterback on defense he was the he would have been the green dot guy they played him in the box a lot even for a linebacker that's the thing is he he didn't test great because even for a linebacker was still just like average athletic testing. So that was a little bit worrisome. But here's the here are the strengths here that I've got for Jacobi Stevens. Again, it was a college safety played receiver actually when he first got there. They moved him over to the defensive side and then he ended up moving to linebacker once he reached the NFL. So the bio lists him as LSU's quarterback on defense. A lot of experience playing over tight ends in space. Solid route instincts, good ball skills, good blitzer up the middle

and off the edge. And then run game can work through traffic to find the football. does good job taking good angles, powerful on contact when taking on receivers and smaller blockers in space, and then a powerful striker and thumper as a safety coming downhill. And so obviously from a negative standpoint, this is a guy that's going to have to play a new position.

So there's a lot of development there at that size. I mean, he was at the combine at 212 pounds, like extremely small, obviously put on weight, getting, you know, moving into linebacker. But there was just going to be a lot of development needed and was not able to reach that upon entering the NFL. My final summary on him, a college safety who I like more as a developmental linebacker, and I don't think he's as big a projection as most who would make the switch.

If anything, he's got an easier projection to a stacked role than a lot of college linebackers do coming out. That's actually an interesting thought. Spent a lot of time stacked and close to the line of scrimmage, has experience reading things out from that depth and has the benefit of playing or having plenty of reps in space as well. Could be a safety in the Belichick defense as a do-everything player in the middle of the field, but I like him closer to the line in a more traditional linebacker role. And I think he can do that relatively early on, particularly from the weak side.

It wouldn't shock me if he turned into a Mike linebacker down the line. I wrote down as a basic Eagles transition in my notes that year. I'd kind of put like a separate thing like, all right, this is how he would project just the Eagles. I thought that he would compete by year two with Nate Gary, you know, for that spot next to TJ Edwards.

That was, I thought that he had that ability. Now, obviously that did not work out. So what's your, what's your post-mortem here? What? Why didn't it work? It's a good question as to why I didn't work.

I mean, he was my 16th linebacker that year. So like I, you know, it wasn't like I had a highest. Yeah, it wasn't like super. I honestly reads better than what my overall ranking was. As far as the biggest lesson, you know, like, I don't know if it was just like for Zingis conversation. Yeah, from yesterday. Yesterday with DB.

Yeah. No, I think that, you know, honestly, the big thing is like when there's a lot, when there's a position switch to roll the dice. Yeah. You know, it's certainly is not a guarantee. It's interesting that I felt so strongly. about it. It was like, yeah, he's got an easier projection. Because there's a lot, you know, Davian Taylor did not

play traditional linebacker in the NFL. He played over the slot so often. He played out in space. He was not asked to read things out, whereas even though Stevens was asked to play, he was a safety, he played so often as a linebacker in the box. And I said, oh, you know what? He's going to be able to make that transition, but

clearly was never able to get that done. Okay. CDP. Jumping in hot. First 15 minutes, we're talking about Jacoby Stevens. Love that. But, you know what I got to say. A little disappointed. Let's get some more donations. I mean, CDP, thank you.

Polar Jam came in with a $5 one nice and early before he knew the stakes. So another $5 from Polar Jam will get a question. Another $45 when you get a Bow Wolf T-shirt. I'll tell you what? Two. Two T-shirts. Rachel texted you. You can pick as many as you want.

I'll go up to five. Five T-shirts? Yeah. Wow. I mean, I got a lot of T-shirts. I was going to say, how many T-shirts are we talking?

Well, I'm not going to give you a T-shirt from the drawer that I actually wear. I mean, I'm talking about the box that's in the, you know, in the bad room.

Are we talking cardboard box? Are we talking rubber-made bin? What is the... Yeah, one of those. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. There's a cardboard box

and a rubber-made bin. Oh, there's both. Basically, yeah, it's all on the back burner. Okay. Listen. I'm trying. I purged a while I made me,

uh, make me purge while we moved. Yeah, this is post. Yeah, like post purge. I mean, several rounds of purges.

How many, do you have a lot? I mean, have a lot of T-shirts. Hmm. Yeah, I have like a lot just from like,

it's like, like I work to Temple. He worked with the Eagles and you just like, you get a lot of that stuff. So I, and I kept it because it's good, nice stuff.

Yeah. I've got a lot of it. And what am I going to wear it now? Well, that's the thing is that I've told the story of, you know, coach Flynn every now and then very generous with benefacting some some nice Princeton football swag but then I walk around because it's so comfortable and I feel like I've

got stolen valor like like you know I don't want somebody to think I went to Princeton necessarily but it makes for good conversation in the pickup line it's cool yeah okay let's do one more okay before the first break what you got I want to I want to give a chance here to really gazz you up. So I'm not necessarily. I'm going to give you the next four on my list are all ones that I know that you are higher on than consensus.

Okay. To be right. But let's do, let's do the first one, the exciting Mike himself, Cooper DeGine. Cooper DeGine. All right.

So we're going to go to the 2024 class. He was my number one. I'm going to say here's my number one DB. INS says how much to play pickleball with two friends and bow? 55. We'll make it happen. So that is equal to five t-shirts playing to, playing pickleball?

Four t-shirts? Yeah. I mean, I'd be happy to play pickleball. I've never played pickleball, but I think I can pick it up pretty quickly. Wow. It's record. I believe you.

Yeah, I mean, I'm not worried about that. DGEN was my number one D-B last year, overall in that class. You think he was the biggest D-bag in the whole class? It's because he's a white guy.

Jesus. All right. Here are all my strengths. I actually had no, I had no clear negatives for Degene. Like, you know, I do the color coding, blue for positive, red for negative. I have no red ink on here for, for Cooper Gene. I have no ink at all because it's all digital.

But, all right. So with Cooper Dijin, line up at left corner, good mix of Manon's own press and off. So the coverage versusility was there. They matched him up on third down. So he did move into the slot at times. Very productive throughout his career. Had a knack for making the big play. He had three pick sixes, not in his final year, but the previous year as a sophomore.

more legitimate return skills as has been a starter on both cover teams. So I thought, all right, this guy's going to be able to help you on special teams as well. Good athlete, explosive, powerful, burst to close, gears up and down on command, very, very good body control, enough speed to carry vertically for sure, time speed through the roof for a big corner and an excellent play strength. His ability to play through contact was really, really impressive. In the past game, really good feel for routes. You know, his man coverage instincts, his own coverage instincts, his ability to play to his

help undercutting throws without drawing a flag just really really strong coverage instincts especially in zone coverage and then in the run game really really aggressive forceful player downhill consistently attacked and dominated stock blocks on the perimeter he would rag doll receivers in the run game in the big 10 and he just rarely miss tackles very very good at getting his guy to the ground on a consistent basis my final projection here my final summary to your starter at corner for the hawkeyes but he's so much more than just an outside cover guy he will match up in the slot and be a factor in the box when he's asked to be. It would not shock me if some teams viewed him as a potential all-pro safety, but I think he can be near that quality

at cornerback as well. He checks all the boxes, size, athleticism, instincts, toughness. He can read routes. He can play the run. He can travel. He won't be outmatched athletically. To top it off, he's an excellent return man. The lone concern is that he's better top down than he is when when finding the ball. Some defenses will view his role a bit differently, but this is an impact player in an NFL secondary a corner star or its safety I mean you nailed it we'll see so far yeah I mean in addition to all of the other stuff like you know calling out and how good it would be in the box close a lot of scrimmage is great did you did you price in to that grade that like there was a soft landing spot at safety potentially yes yeah for sure um you know

how much does that matter to you like a range of outcomes um yeah I try and keep that in mind I mean It's tough to like fully encapsulate it, you know, just though with the way that I kind of grade things out. So it requires a little bit of like couching, right? But that's part of, it was a few years ago when I did the, when I like really kind of honed in on what my grading scale would be and like how I've, you know, write up reports. And it's like, all these factors, all these critical factors for players. And you know, it's like, you know, athleticism and speed and strength. And then there you get the position specific stuff. And all of it's weighted. It's one, one through five. grades on every single trade and so that's it's out of number well if I just graded off that number

like there were some guys where it's like all right like it's got a really high number but at the end of the day like I still think he's a third down running back right I still think he's a backup quarterback I don't see the upside there for him to be a starter so that's where like now I need to use my my brain a little bit and the the opinion in terms of like all right it's not as scientific it's not a mathematical formula comes into play and that's where like to answer that question in terms of like incorporating the range of outcomes, that's where that comes into play. Okay.

Did you seriously feel like you had to overcome a bias in the fact that he was a white cornerback? Yeah, you had to. I mean, just because he don't see it. Right. Like he was just so, there were times where I would watch him. I was like, all right, like maybe this will be the day where I see it.

And I'm like, oh, yeah, there's a limitation. And every time I watched him, I was just like, he's, he is so, so good. You know, and played on the outside. and it was a zone heavy scheme where you know it's a lot of too high safety so he had help over the top but when you try and just kind of like lock in on him he just he again he said in the report like he just checked all the boxes okay okay all right let's take a quick break uh come back with more i want to give some more of uh franz like just nail on the head from some of these players on

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Can get a little runny. Yeah. I don't like a unibal as much when I'm out at practice. Yeah, because it bleeds. You're running. You're writing fast. Yeah. I agree with that.

Yeah. If I'm sitting at home and on a desk and writing something, then, yeah, I'll take a unibal. I agree with that. Yeah. There was one time, a couple years ago with birds with friends when I made the purchase of like a, like an $8 pen from someone. recommendation and that boy was that pen beautiful but you know can't be doing that all the time you like a sharpie pen with that like real fine tip not my favorite not my favorite I don't mind that

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No I mean we know we've got like when the kids are for Francis. Yep. No question. Yep. Yeah. Same. Were you into the mechanical pencils? No, I never liked it. I mean like you had it like to to split your let out. Yeah. Like you're doing the thing like you're like like loading a musket. You know what?

The feeling of it, like even like the of the lead hitting paper and like so shiver of my spragile. Yeah, I agree with that. Having it right that way now. Yeah, it does. It gives me the hebie-G music. Yeah, I don't like it. Don't like it at all.

I mean, I do like a nice, a nice good pencil with a sharp tip. Yeah. That's the only time I use a pencil. Quizzo. Ah, okay. Yeah, he's, you know, guys, he comes pre-loaded with like,

you know, 20 really nice, nicely sharpened pencils. Okay. Two other times I use pencil. Golf? Golf, sure. Yeah, the golf pencil, no doubt. Kevin's scored a baseball game.

Yeah, that's good. That's what I got. That's good. Did you like writing on like blue books and when you were doing tests? Yeah, I would say the blue, because just because of the stock of a blue book. Yeah, I like a blue book stock. Tough to do now with all this AI, you know what I mean? I find that a lot of the apps that I've been used.

I'm going to make a turkey milk. I don't know. I've never, how am I going to figure this out? Help me technology. Make this turkey melt. I'm too dumb to figure it out. I find that a lot of like the,

like the apps and like things I'm using are like now like saying like, oh, like upgrade and use our AI, like use our AI. It's been like the last like two weeks, like three things. I'd rather, right. I'd rather you hand me a big. I'm constantly like, no, like I don't want to stop. I know. I don't want it.

There's people who say that. It's not going to be helpful. It's not, you gotta figure out how to use the tool. It's a tool. I use it for everything. It's replaced Google. I use it to tell me how to make a turkey melt. Who?

Who have you talking to that's having the issue with the turkey melt? It's not going to go for me today. It's like the back and forth about how they use AI. Like, I use it for everything, I guess. So I can tell me what, what to put my toaster to for my turkey milk. Like, what? It's a turkey belt. That's the easiest thing in the world.

Oh. Killing the planet, taking 20 minutes to be like, turn the toaster on. You set it to 245. You have to leave it in there a little longer than if you said it's not even a thing that's striving for accuracy.

It's just a language model. Yeah. 70. Three. All right. Speaking of the grades, let's go to 2022. 22, 2022. Quarterback Tanner McKee. Ah.

Is that 22 or 23? I think it was 23. 23. So I do a, every year before the draft, I'll do like a sheet where it's like, all right, like, these are my takes. Or it's like, all right, like, you're the player at each position. I'm higher on the consensus, lower on the consensus, lower on the consensus. McKee was a quarterback that I was higher on than consensus that year. Going through that class, so you had Bryce Young, C.J. Stroud, Anthony Richardson at the top,

Will Levis right there. And then you had Hendon Hooker, who was a day two selection. Jake Hainer was another player that I was pretty high on when he was coming out. Obviously, he has not panned out yet to this point. Still competing for, I guess, a job down there in New Orleans. Tanner McKee was a player that I was really excited about. 6-6-231. Now the big thing with him was he only started 21 games at Stanford. He was a little bit older. He took a, he took, spent two years on a mission in between high school and college.

You went down to crazy old, not crazy old. Um, do I have the age. I do. Yeah, he was. Yeah, he was 23, 23 when he got to a training camp for the first time. So not crazy old. Good size. The accuracy and ball placement stood out consistently hit his in breakers in stride,

made some really tough throws from the opposite hash in that offense. Really impressive. touch. Layered throws, which is that's like when I say a layer throw that's up over the first level of defense, like up over, you know, the linebacker and underneath the safety, that's a layered throw. And then he made bucket throws down the sideline as well, outside the numbers. So like bucket throws and like imagine an actual bucket down the throw on your, you're thrown from the opposite hash. You drop into the bucket. I did an outstanding job on those kind of where's a bucket had in practice. So that makes sense.

Does he really? Yeah, sometimes. All right. Some protection. Is it better or work? better than the Chris McPherson bucket? I mean, CMAC, no one rocks a bucket like I see, like a CMAX. Yeah. Nice. All right. Only six wins in two seasons as a starter in the PAC 12, as ZB has brought up numerous times

since that point. Subpar athlete, not a guy, you know, a very slow twitch, lacked escapeability, lacked any kind of playmaking ability with his legs. So those were the negatives there. Final summary. Two-year starter and David Shaw's pro-style offense, pure pocket passer who can be a distributing point guard in the NFL. Slow twitch athlete with solid arm talent.

He will not be a second reaction playmaker in the league, but he is a smart, heady player who exhibits consistent accuracy and touch to all areas of the field. I like his ability to get through progressions and play with poise. It would not shock me if he became a low-end starter in the NFL, but I think he profiles more as a true backup quarterback who can step in midstream and keep an offensive float. He won't raise the level of those around him to the point where he is considered a real option

as a starter long term. So you missed. So I missed. No, I was like Tanner McKee. A lot of people, he was, he was, he was divisive because there were, I know like, Mike Renner was really, really high on him. He had a further, he was like in mock drafts going into that final year. So there were some that were very, very high on McKee.

And then some were like, oh, this guy can't play. I was more on the high end. I still had a backup grade on him, but I liked what I saw from Tanner McKay. How much do you, how much does mobility matter to you and like has it changed over the course of the last decade or so? Definitely. I think it is it is basically a requirement now and if it if you don't have it then you've got to be like nails mentally

and so that's that's I was honestly I was watching a quarterback this morning I'm getting ready to write a quarterback piece for the upcoming draft the upcoming college football season which you can read for a diehard yeah if you're a diehard which if you contribute $50 you know don't be in a live soft right be a die hard that's right but I was watching a player and like this guy lacks mobility. I actually wrote down Tanner McKee as a comparison for him. I guess it would be Livsoft. Right.

It would be a live soft. Livsoft. But yeah, I think if you are not able to create for yourself, then you have got to be outstanding. And that was my thing with Chador with Chodor Sanders was that like, okay, he's not that second reaction player. He's not like a great outside of structure.

So he needs to be awesome from the pocket. And so if you're not, that's, that's a real troublesome combination going into the NFL. And he seems to have an ability to get to have those pre-snap answers. Yeah. Tanner. Yeah.

Overcome for that. Yeah. And that's the big thing. It's like, you know, he's, he has shown that he can certainly play from the pocket and, and be a winner from that area.

All right. This was a big draft for you, the 2023 draft for the Eagles. They drafted several of your guys. So let's, let's go to the sixth round. Let's go to Moro Juma. Oh, Jomo.

Yeah. Who loved. Yeah. we were we were live at that point when I was with the Eagles when they made this or just before they had just made the pick and we were going live in like five minutes and I was still glowing because I was I was I was really really high on moro Jomo yeah Jalen Carter at the top of that class Brian Brazig, Jirvan Dexter Clajicancy all guys that went in the top 50 Moro Jomo was my DT8 that year he was pretty hundred Dexter I was I like I like Dexter and he's I think they're they're hoping that he's going to make a big jump this year. in year three. Can't see I was a little bit worried about the size. A freak athlete, but you know, there was a small sample. Yeah, really, really compact frame.

I had, you know, Mazi Smith, who the Cowboys took in the first time, he was my DT6 that year. And it was Keanu Benton, who went top 50 to Pittsburgh. And then I was a Jomo. Like, I was super high on a Jomo. This is a guy that was extremely young, extremely athletic. And while the production, like, raw numbers weren't there, like all the win rates and pressure rates,

like all that stuff was extremely high. the body type was outstanding. I've seen him in person for the first time of the combine. I was like, who is this guy? This was one where I like I didn't really understand why he didn't go sooner. But I don't. I don't. Yeah. I don't know why he didn't go. He went as late. I mean, he started plenty of games. Like, I don't know. This is a profile. Yeah. Like you absolutely should have gone higher. All right. So from a strength standpoint in my notes, well put together kid, looks really rocked up, has great length. High motor. Good effort to find the football. Good athlete. Enough that he enough so that he did not. look out of place on the edge at nearly 300 pounds, powerful enough to push the pocket. He would time the snap well, gained a lot of ground early, fired off the ball with good pad level in the run game and knows how to lock out, good reps of him two gaping and finding the football.

The only negative I had on him, his rush skill was lacking. A couple of moves that he would throw in here and there, but really just kind of relied on his physical tools to win. So just my final summary, two and a half year starter with tantalizing physical tools as a potential interior disruptor, extremely young, long, athletic, powerful lineman who is lacking in refinement. The traits are there to be a good starter as an impactful three-down player. The production just has not been there over the course of his career and he lacks seasoning as a rusher and he would get stuck on blocks or a bit too long in the run game. I love the profile.

He's a high character kid that I'm willing to bet on. That goes back to the thing we talked about earlier where high upside with high intangibles. So yeah, like I'm going to be high on that kid. This is also part of the conversation we had yesterday about like what are the things that you're willing to. willing to bet on improving and also the holistic picture of, you know, this is a guy who entered college at 16 or whatever it was. Exactly. Like you, you can bet on that that there's still more to come there.

Redshirt senior fifth year or so five years in college, but it was coming into the NFL, 21 years old. And, you know, for a guy that was doing what he was doing at that age, while like, again, like the raw numbers weren't there, like an 18% pass rush win rate was 90th plus percentile, 13.6% pressure rate in his final season, 90th plus per cent. percentile. His third down win rate, outstanding. The run defense grades like outstanding, the outlinked, outstanding. Athleticism was really strong. Like just across the board, I'm like, man, there's not a lot to not like about this profile. There we go. All right. Another break. Come back

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for 15% off of your purchase. So hot outside today. You could put two pieces of bread, some turkey, and a slice of cheese on the top of your car and get that bad boat to melt. But for how long? Like how long when I need to leave it on the roof for it to melt? How do I know what my turkey melt is done?

When do I take my turkey melt out of the toaster oven? I'm not going to burn the roof of my mouth on my turkey mouth? Solve this for me, computer. Use your brain, you moron. Just. People who don't

think the AI is going to be, like, what are they, what are they, one of my, these people are so stupid. How else am I going to eat my turkey milk? I need to divide the turkey melt thing. You said it's from an article. Now, one of the guys brains and mushy, he's even a turkey mouth all day long. It's only every,

it's highly processed. All right. one more from that draft, the 2023 draft, which you loved. And this was the second of the Eagles first round picks. Nolan Smith, who you loved.

Yeah. You're finding it? Yeah, I found it. Yeah, Nolan's Google Turkey milk moron. It's just like, AI helps guy with the turkey belt. Turned out a bunch of results. He says,

all he poses. He says, there's a picture of a man standing in his kitchen with no pants on and a shirt like so focused on my turkey well I forgot to put my underwear on scratching his ass noltsmith was a top 10 player for me in 2023 you know the eagles were picking in the top 10 they had they had the picker they spent on jalen carter they have said that they would have been fine taking nolan in that spot i certainly would have felt fine with them taking nolan smith in that spot uh i was extremely high on him coming out of Georgia. While he was unrefined, again, getting back to the theme that we've talked numerous times,

like high-end tangible qualities with the high-end intangibles. Let's go into the strengths from the profile. He was 6-2-2-2-2-38 pounds, so really, really small, but very athletic, elite quickness, change direction, and body control. He can run the hoop and accelerate. So all the athletic traits off the edge were there. Naturally powerful, more so than most guys, his size. He can get early push against offensive tackles. And he was both strong, and powerful. So we talk about like the difference there. Powerful, like, think of like strength in the past game to like push guys back into the pocket. Strength is like holding your ground, your anchor in the run game. And I thought that he had the ability to do both. Very tough and

violent on contact. Play was with an extremely high motor. He was wired into the snap count, rarely or really, really fast out of his stance. Effective peel player versus running backs as well. So he had some coverage flexibility to be able to drop in reverse, match up in man or, you know, spot drop in zone coverage. And honestly, like I was going through mine stuff in the run game, all positives. I didn't have one negative or even like neutral thing with him in the run game. Leads with his arms and sets a really strong edge. She's able to stack and shed with ease in the run game.

Dominates tight ends at the point of attack. Really good tackler, rarely misses athleticism, strength, and technique all show up. The only negatives I had talked about the size and then it just doesn't have a real deep array of pass rush moves, right? So you're still developing as a rusher. So the final summary here, one year starter off the edge for the Bulldogs. highly athletic outside linebacker who are who prioritized setting the edge in that scheme. But he has the traits to be a pure edge rusher in the NFL.

Explosive athlete with elite level quickness and impressive power, despite his smallish frame. Strong run defender who sets a sharp edge and can dominate tight ends in the perimeter. He can drop in coverage and be very useful there. This is a versatile high upside player who also possesses a high floor. There's no question that he can be a valuable role player, but I'm betting on his upside as a quality starter in the NFL. tough to find a weakness in his game. How much of the conversation that we have had a lot over the past couple of years about that Georgia defense and the way that he was used was a complicating factor in your evaluation?

It definitely was. You know, because again, like he was a player. I'm just looking. He never had more than four and a half sacks in a year. Now he always had at least two and a half. So it was like two and a half, two and a half, four and a half three in terms of his total sack numbers. It was never, never super impressive. What did stand out?

A lot of those guys like, because of the way they're used, in that scheme. A lot of the win rates like, aren't good because it'll be like third down and, you know, they're imagine like, all right, Jaylon Carter and Jordan Davis are inside and they're looping outside. They're not getting off the ball and rushing on field. They're looping outside and you have, you know, Nolan Smith is outside and he's kind of like serving as a QB spy,

like looping in and Nicobie Dean is blitzing up the middle and he's going to get home for the sack, right? Like it's a lot of things like that. So that goes down like third down pass attempt. All right, that's not a win for Jaylen Carter. There's not a win for Jordan Davis. It's not a win for Nolan Smith. So like those wind rates and pressure rates didn't always look great for those Georgia defenders.

But when you watched them again, like all the traits were there and just like, all right, like, and everything you had heard was he was a little bit immature when he first got there. He was a five star kid like number. He was the top two recruit in the country coming out. Went to IMG Academy. And he was like, all right, like, couldn't put it all together when he first got there. But like it was after, I think it was after his freshman year. Like, all right, like, yeah, everything got together and he was like full steam ahead.

didn't become a starter until that final year. But again, like all the traits. I remember watching him in the summer, like this time of year, getting ready for his senior year and just watching the small sample. And I was smitten right away. I was like, this guy is going to be really, really good moving forward. And he fell to the back end of the first round. To me, like, I thought he was easily a top, top 10, top 15 player in the class.

And then after his rookie season, which was a little bit underwhelming, how much were you second guessing yourself? I was a little worried, yeah. I mean, you know, I've been wrong. wrong, you know, and still could be wrong. Like, you know, look, I've got my grade right now is not where he is yet. So I still need him to make another jump. If I'm going to be right on this evaluation.

But I think that to me, you know, that's why I would like, even like last year, I remember when I first joined the show, it was like, all right, like, because we were, I think it was towards the end of training camp. And we did, we had a discussion on one block where, you know, who you worried about. And I know there were a lot of fans in the chat that were like, oh, like, Nolan. It was because he had just played late in that third preseason game. And it was like, oh, oh, like, you know, are they? down on him. I was like, let's give it, let's give it a set. Let's let it play out a little bit.

He obviously took a huge jump last year and year two. And his episode of the exciting mics is out today. That's right. I actually haven't had a chance to watch, but I heard it was really good. So I look forward to catching that. Yeah, catch that once we're done at 310. So I Googled Turkey Moulon and let's just dive further into the AI because, you know, Google sucks now. Thank God that gave me this AI overview. A turkey melt is a hot sandwich typically made with turkey, melted cheese, and bread, usually grilled or toasted. Think of it as a variation on a classic grilled cheese with the addition of turkey and potentially other ingredients. It's a quick and easy way to use leftover turkey or jelly meat.

The term melt itself indicates that the cheese is the sandwich has been melted, either by grilling on the stove top or heating in an oven. There you go. AI has not even heard of the toaster oven as a possibility for a turkey melt. So, I mean, you're not even using it right. The inclusion of the word moron in your query is likely a reference to it being a slang term for a stupid person. There's no inherent connection between a turkey melt and the word moron. It might be an attempt at a joke or a mistaken association. Here is more information about turkey melts.

Ingredients, variations, cooking, storage. In short, a turkey melt is a type of hot sandwich featuring turkey. and melted cheese. There's no logical link between this sandwich and the word moron. So the question is, is now that we have spoken this in existence numerous times right here on Google, on YouTube, how long will it take for AI to incorporate how often we've done to put it into that air overview? Give it time. It won't. It won't. It's a crappy product. In terms of the like turkey melt and moron are not often linked. Maybe we push it over the top. I don't think so.

I don't think so. It's not good at its job. There's no, there's no job in the world. Any job where anyone would accept the quality of work that AI is giving us right now. It is correct, 45% of the time. Right. Is there any job where you could, you could work, you could do that well? Okay.

How high up? do we want to go here. Then you're that's debating. Seesceding on trying to. Yeah, that's fair. Yep. What's your go-to? If you're doing a turkey melt,

I feel like we got to leave you, at least owe the people that. If I'm making a turkey melt. Well, first I go to the dictionary and I look up the word turkey. Then I go to the encyclopedia. I mean, it's a very long process to figure out how to make a turkey melt.

you know what there was a there was a there was a stage of early pandemic where like you could you know like deli meat was an easy thing to get yeah where I would make it would it was more of like a more of like a turkey melt gate like a cassidia type deal okay tortilla and I would put jalapeno's in there oh that was my that was that was that was probably the last time I really like that I can't give you that no that's a good one whole opinions I uh since I've been working from home for the first time like in the last year uh I've been like dabbler. Maybe I'll do deli meat here.

I'll do doing different things. And so my, if I'm doing a hot sandwich, I'm doing a melt, I go open face and I just do broiler on low. I haven't used AI. Great. Yeah.

There's lots of ways to do it. That's great. That's good. Yeah. What temperature does cheese melt on with turkey? Anything better to do. You like a Chipotle mayo? Like a mayo variance?

Like do you like like a, I'm in. I'm ambivalent. Yeah. How about you? I like, I get all kinds of different things. Some, some pre-made, some, some I'll make, yeah. You make a little saracha mayo.

Yeah, like a saracha mayo. Yeah, like a burger sauce. I've done like the, what are they, what's the in and out, the animal? Yeah, animal sauce. Yeah, I've done those for burgers and stuff. Save some for sandwiches. Okay. All right.

Let's do, let's do Zach Bonn. I want to know what you, yeah, no. It's getting worse, yeah. The drips are coming. Yep. Yeah. We'll make it. No.

It's going. Oh, actually, you know, we should do it. We're raising money for Big Brothers, Big Sisters. Do we have this video? Oh, yeah, good call. I believe yesterday, Rodney McLeod, former Eagles great, was inducted into the Big Brothers Big Sisters Hall of Fame.

And we know this. Back in the day, Rodney and Zach Berman used to trade stories about their time as as bigs as it were. And so Rodney was honored yesterday and we have some some footage from that whenever it's ready.

So that's cool. I would love to talk to Rodney about that. What's that? Oh, I mean, it's just on top of it. Ace producing. So one asks is Velvita cheese or not? No. In us. No?

I don't think you count that right. I'm going to have to ask me, AI, I just know a way for me to know. All right, Rodney McLeod inducted into the Big Brothers, Big Sisters,

Philadelphia chapter, Hall of Fame in 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 3, 2, 1,

3, three quarters. A half. Just know that this is all for your benefit. Julia is skipping through ads to six. You guys can just see the content of this video. An eighth. A ninth.

A tenth. Boom. And boom. It had a ton of fun and I started to, you know, hear more about what big brothers, Big Sisters actually was the mentoring aspect. and how there was a need for more mentors. And Big Brothers Big Scissors was a great fit.

It was a way for me to get involved here in Philadelphia, be a mentor to a young man. And so I just dove in, met Marcus, and the rest was history. The first time I met Isaiah, his mom was his everything. She really did a great job at, you know, raising him. He did have brothers, but you can tell how involved his mother was. And so that's what really was. stood out to me is that wow, like this is truly a team effort. I don't necessarily have to feel

so I have to do everything for this young man. I just need to play my role. It's made a huge impact on my life, becoming a mentor at the age that I decided to. I didn't have any kids of my own. I just was a brother to a lot of siblings. It taught me just a lot about myself. Their mission really, really resonated with me, my heart, and I saw just the need of mentors. So to work with big brothers, big sisters really helped me form my own organization called Change Our Future and even more building a mentorship program called Next Man Up, making sure that leadership and what we've done doesn't end with us, that it carries on and that guys live on exactly what's been created and live their purpose and their legacy. It made me become even a better man and a better leader.

And honestly, I would say it prepped me for fatherhood, which now I stand today as a dad. And I think those early experiences with Isaiah has paid dividend for me today. My name is Rodney McLeod. I'm a former big with big brothers and big sisters. Yeah, love that. Awesome. Great stuff from Rodney McLeod. All right. I'm going to tell you what this is. in overtime. All right, shout out to Andrew, producer Andrew, who has fashioned this. This is a paper towel on the end of

maybe a broomstick or something like that. This is to wipe away the condensation on the tube up there. Oh, still coming down. It's not coming down. Oh, so you're making it worse, though. There you go. Beautiful.

All right, Zach Bonn. Zach Bonn, which year was this? 19? 2020. All right. That's right. He talked about it in the exciting mic said he went through

the pre-draft process in the middle of COVID, which was difficult. Right. So I had him with my edge group. He was a tricky one to peg because of his size. I wasn't sure.

Should I put him with my edge group? Should I put him with the offball linebacker group? I ended up putting him with my edge group. I liked him, though. He was actually my seventh edge rusher that year. Let's go through the strengths here. Two-year starter at outside linebacker and Jim Leonard's three-four scheme. Lined up to the field.

He would walk out over the slot at times. Talked about the size, but he was a very fluid, smooth athlete who not only could flip his hips and play side to side, but he also had to burst of clothes in a straight line, never on the ground, ability to bend and flatten when turning the corner, done a good job of putting himself in position to win the edge. talked through some of the past rush stuff. He was kind of a little bit of a one-dimensional rusher.

But he knew what he was doing as a run defender. He would maximize his length. He had the ability to attack blocks with good hat and hand placement and showed the ability to stack and shed. He was a violent finisher when he would arrive with the ball. He was a lot of hard hits on quarterbacks and on ball carriers. Just didn't have like that first step off the ball as a rusher. And, you know, at that size, like he was just going to be a certain kind of a player.

But I thought that he had that ability to become kind of a role player moving to the NFL. here's the final summary. Smart pass rusher who can win in a couple different ways off the edge. I do like his versatility. I like his toughness. He's a fun watch. At the end of the day, he's not an A1 pass rusher,

but I think that he could be a complimentary piece, particularly as a 3-4 Sam linebacker, could also develop into a will linebacker down the road. Okay. I was on the fence about where to put him. I was very close to putting him with my off-ball backers that year. Yeah, he was. You know, this, back then, if I was using my current scale now,

I know how I would have, how I would have tiered him. But, yeah, this wasn't a great edge group looking at this, looking at this class. So with a player like him, I'm curious about, do you have, like, notes that you take that don't make it into? Like, you try to make sure that all of your thoughts about watching a player make it into those write-ups, right? Yeah, so, like, basically, it's funny.

I was actually just talking with somebody about this last night. The first seven years of doing this, I would write, and you can kind of say, like, I would write full, like, lengthy paragraphs on players. And then I would have that final summary, which is that last, like, three-sentence blurb I just read at the end. As I started to, you know, do it for a long time, and I would share with coaches and with general managers and with scouts of their teams and stuff, and they would say, like, yeah, like, this is too much.

Like, I'm not reading all this. It's like that the meme of like, yeah, it's like the meme of, yeah, exactly. Like I'm sorry that happened to you or congrats. Like, yeah, they wouldn't want to read all that. Just like, give me the summary. So since then, I've converted into now if you're a diehard and you go to the draft guide and you see all the bullet points. It was right around this time when I converted to, you know, from like long paragraph

form to bullet points. So I just tried to like skim through and find the strengths and weaknesses. But, you know, back then it was like, all right, everything that's in my mind is going to go down. And that's how it is now. It's just the format is much different. So yeah, I do try and get it. everything down, you know, just to make sure that it's... You can find it.

Four years from now. Yeah, exactly right. Right. Exactly. I think that one area where I'm still trying to grow is like, for that final summary, you should be like, if you'd never seen this player play in college, like, you should be able to like, hear my five sentences and like, all right, that's the picture of them. So that's the goal.

I got to do a better job of, you know, tightening that up, I think, still. Okay. Always something to strive for? No question. All right. No more donations. huh? The turkey mount didn't make it happen?

I thought for sure that was going to get people to open their pocketbook. Well, now everyone's looking for a turkey mountain. Yeah, too distracted. People are out in their car hoods. Like, what, like, it's hard to think of something that you would need to make, that you would need less advice on how to make.

Like, who would people, a banana? Like, I don't, like, it's so stupid. WWZBD. What would Zach do in this situation? How would he try and talk it off the ledge? I know that this is the setting to put it on,

but what do I, how do I put it in it all the way in? Do I close the toaster up and I talk for me to figure out? Oh, so dumb. We have a fun show tomorrow. Yes. We should have teased it earlier. We should have teased it earlier.

Tomorrow's show. The conceit. 32 teams. In the league. In the league. Three hosts, Bo-Wolf, friend Duffy, Zach Berman. How do we fill

rosters of 32 different things? 12 on offense? No, no. 13 on offense. 13 on defense. Offensive coordinator. Defensive coordinator, head coach. Owner, stadium.

GM. GM, that's right, yep. One from each team. Yes. We did this exercise last year, just me and Zach. Having it be three, complicates it a little bit more, better game theory. Yes. This was the famous Derek Brown.

This was the famous Derek Brown. I'm looking forward to this one. I'm curious to see if it's possible that someone's able to get the best quarterback in football without actually drafting them. That would be cool. and then I think the thing that everybody really wants to know because this is a fun episode but everybody's got players that like,

oh, where are they going to go? Where does Chris Lindstrom go? I feel like is kind of the question that I have. Yeah, I mean, I think that that's going to be on the forefront of everybody's minds going into that exercise tomorrow at 2 o'clock.

You know, how high does Derek Brown go? Is it higher or lower than where he went a year ago, which I think he was like the fifth pick in that draft, something along those lines. No, it's going to be fun. was one preparing for it. I was very, very excited. I put a lot of time, thought, and effort into this. So this would be a fun one tomorrow. What went into that prep?

Shout out to Frank, who's gotten us another five minutes on this show. There we go. 20 bones from the barber. Thank you, Frank. So for me, basically the way I did it was I went through every, every single roster. And I took like, all right, who are the players that, or who are the people that I would target? It's like, all right, like, this is, like, yes, I would, I want to make sure, make a point to try and get this player. So the Eagles, like, all right, AJ Brown, Sequan Barkley, you know, the Jalen Carter, and you're looking at who are the blue chip? After that, it's like, all right, like, this would be the next tier down.

And then who was it like, all right, worst came to worse, I got stuck. I'm okay taking this player or this coach. So that's kind of how I put it up. Positions where. Because that was what happened to you guys last year, you know, going back. I just now revealed that yes, I went back and listened to, I did study the tape, went back and listened to that entire episode from last summer. There were a handful where you guys thought like,

oh, I've got the ability to, and then you got stuck. And you're like, I got to pick, who's the left guard for the, you know, for the Falcons? And you got to look that up, right? So, yeah, so just saying, like, who would be the ones right? This would be an acceptable outcome for me to end up with this player. And some of those teams had seven players, their coaches that ended up on that list and some had 18.

So it was a fun exercise. And I imagine that we will talk about it tomorrow. Yeah. But it is an exercise that really clarifies just how good the Eagles roster is. Oh, no question. You know, there are, there are so many positions where you could get one of the best players in football. Who were the other teams that stood out to you from your prep? The Chiefs were one.

The Chiefs were one where there were like a handful of blues, like for me like that, that tier one. Yeah. Yeah. which the two Super Bowl teams yeah yeah well Mahomes Creed Humphrey Trace Smith Chris Jones Trent McDuffie Andy Reid

Steve Spaggno so that's really good there's I mean no one comes close to the Eagles though yeah right you know you think about the other best teams in football Ravens you know Lamar Linderbaum

Ravens were lower than I thought they were Kyle Hamilton you know Harbaugh if you want to make the case. Yep. I mean, you could, you know,

Mark Andrews maybe. Not a ton, right? Yeah. San Francisco. I don't know why I'm lumped. They didn't make the playoffs last year, but,

yeah, but I was like, McCaffrey, Kiddle, Trent Williams, Nick Bosa, Fred Warner. Right.

Shannahan, if you were in that group. Yep. Yeah. Lions, you could go, you could go, Dan Campbell,

you could go, you could go, I mean, you could go, St. Brown. Penny Sewell. Sewell for sure. Aidan Hutchinson. Aidan Hutchinson, Laporta. Brian Branch. Brian Branch. Yeah. That's pretty good. It's pretty good group. You know, Rams. McVeigh, McVeigh, Less Sneed. Stafford, if you want,

Les Sneed. You know, you could go Jared Verse. You could go Steve Avila. Avila. The only blues I had actually were Sneed and McVeigh from the Rams. I put Stafford and Pooka. I put Pooka in my second tier.

You're not as high on Puka. You know, I think that he's a really good player. I'm not saying he's bad. He's awesome. But he is. But if I'm putting him against like A.J. Brown, Justin Jefferson, like all those guys at the top, I think I'm taking all those other guys before I take him.

I think there's a level of like perfect scheme and situation to Puka, where if you take Puka and you drop him in other places, I don't know that he's able to replicate what he's done when he's been healthy. So do you think, how deep is that top group? Like six? Stand by. I'll tell you.

I'll tell you how I feel about. AJ Jefferson, Chase. All right. So J.M.R. Chase. Yep. A.J. Brown. Justin Jefferson CD Lamb

I would take CD over him okay all right so we're talking at least top five and then I think that's when you get into conversation well no because Chase Brown Jefferson Lamb that's four so yeah so at least those four

and then I think that's when you're getting into the conversation of Nico Collins Tyree Kill at this point St. Brown I would probably put in the same bucket I'd probably take, I think I might take Pook over St. Brayette's a tough one. I put those

two kind of together. Devante Adams still at this point, still can go. Iuke when he's healthy, DJ Moore, when he's when he's motivated. Like, yeah, I think that's when you're starting, you're having that conversation. That's what, yeah, I think once you start having that conversation, I think that's where, that's kind of where you're plus in this thing where you can go

three to four wide receivers. Yes. That's, yeah. Yep. Okay, who else did we not talk about? Minnesota. You know, Jefferson, Darisaw maybe You know, you can make a case for Byron Murphy You could make a case for O'Connell

You can make a case for Flores Kevin O'Connell That's not it? I mean, Hawkinson maybe But that's more of like a You know, I'll pinch my nose and take him Yeah, to me like T.J. Hawkinson is the top three tight end in football He's a top three tight end?

I mean, to me, one of the most underrated players in the NFL. Well, I know you're making this case now. No, I'm not, I don't know. I'm just saying he's a, you don't think he's a top three tight end. One of those underrated players in the league. I've said it for a long time. Outrageous. Okay, any other teams?

Buffalo is an, is an interesting one. Yeah. It's like, oh, you know, the quarterback. That's about it. You know, the other one that was like that. That was, I mean, in the Final Four last year, it was Washington. Yeah. Yeah.

Jaden Daniels, Laramie Tonsol. And then it's like, you know, like, okay, like McLaren, Thron Payne, Lattimore, he's getting older. Like, it wasn't, that wasn't a super impressive group. Josh Harris. I was hoping you would do that. Thank you. Green Bay was another one that's like that.

Yeah, Green Bay was interesting too. I had one blue, like one tier one person on there. And it was Matt LaFleur. I had everybody else. I had Zvere McGinney as well. But yeah. Right. Yeah, he's okay.

Yeah, get out of here. Denver was another. one that was the same deal. Chargers, another one, the same idea where it was like, oh, like the blue chip guys, like, I don't know. It was a fun exercise. It is a fun exercise. It'll be, it's a, it'll be a fun episode.

Make sure you tune in tomorrow. Okay, I think I figured on how to make a peanut butter and jelly. Like, I think I did it, but how do I eat it? Where do I bite? Creamy or chunky peanut butter? Uh, I generally creamy, but I'm not against a chunky. a chunkier to mix it up. Throw a little honey on there.

I like that. How about a banana? You ever go banana? I actually think a banana, I'm a little, I think it's a little overrated. I don't dislike banana. I'm not,

I'm just not a banana guy. In this context or all banana. Period. Yeah. And honestly, banana flavored candy, like all, like the laughy taffies runs,

like all that stuff, straight garbage. All the banana flavored stuff out. I don't disagree with that, but what about like desserts? I love a banana-flavored dessert. Different. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

because that's like real banana. I'm talking like the artificial like... Yeah, I agree with that. Banana candy flavor. Yeah. Julia, what about you? Just no banana at all? It's anti-banana?

I can only eat a banana with peanut butter, but I hate, I hate so much the smell of like a banana peel once it's been eaten. Like I feel like I can smell it wherever it is. I'm like, oh, someone just ate a banana and it's sitting in the trash now and I have to smell it.

That was, I started a couple years ago for my garden for the plants. I would tell any time, because Meg has, banana like almost every day take the peels I take it and I put it in like a jar soaked in water and let it sit in the basement for like a few days so Meg would walk by and it was just like this like a shelfful of like old banana peel but that that water from the banana peel water is like gold for plants it's like yeah it's like it's like it sucks all the potassium out of the the peals

and it's like great plant food so you just take it and empty the jar throw in the dishwasher rinse repeat interesting yeah I was doing I was doing that for a while. That's cool. Probably a little overdue doing it this year. With all the rain we've got, and we haven't necessarily needed all that. Did you figure out how to do that? Did the computer tell you how to do it?

That wasn't an AI trick, no. That was actually a good... My favorite banana dessert, actually, was one I used to do on the grill. Grill, slit the banana down the middle, little chocolate chips and the little mini marshmallows, slap some peanut butter on top, wrap it and tin foil, throw it in the grill,

and then it comes out. It's like a nice like melted. Oh, it's excellent. Yeah, strong. I haven't made that in a while. That sounds great. All right. We made it to 315.

That's it. That's all you guys deserve. That's it. You got like 10 seconds to extend this. So like 15 extra minutes on the show and you spent at least 18 minutes in your turkey melt voice. Although I did.

I think it changed a little. bit at the end and I didn't like the voice at the end. It was not a good voice. It was, I like, the earlier voice is better and I, you gotta get back to it. The,

the algorithm, uh, on I forget which, you know, platform at this point keeps feeding me the, um, the voice actor for Winnie the Pooh. And like,

so, so like, apparently there was a viral video of him, uh, soothing his, like, infant grandson as Winnie the Pooh and like, really?

Really? The video, really, beautiful video. But now it's like, oh, you like, if you like this guy, I hear all these interviews of this guy's done. So I'm getting, there were so ridiculous. But the one video, the one interview he did, he was like, if you could do, if you're, if you do impressions and you can do an impression of somebody, all right, like that's, that's a job. You've got, you've got, that's something you can do.

If you try and do impressions of somebody and you fail, well, you've just made up a new voice. And now you can, that's a new voice that you can sell. I was like, oh, that's a good way to kind of look at things. That's true. Kind of like that rosy outlook. So maybe you can take your failed turkey milk guy and turn him into someplace. I mean, listen, we have fun.

But how else am I supposed to figure out how to milk cheese onto turkey in between two slices of bread? What heat source could possibly work for that? So stupid. This is a lot of fun. Good stuff. hopefully we'll get some more of these with you and you and Zach coming down the pike

you're after tomorrow's episode you're off vacation yep I'll be gone for next week so I'll be back to the following following week beautiful I'll be gone that's right oh this our last show see a training camp yeah what do you do two weeks three weeks three weeks three weeks happy trails down the street make so many goddamn turkey mouths 21 turkey melts to figure out the best way. I'm going to come back with a ranking of all the different heat sources, which was the best. I'm going to hold you to that.

We should do that on the same day. What was the, which is on the first day of journey camp just drives that crazy? No, we should schedule it for August 19th the same day when, Harrison Bryant day. Yeah. Yeah.

All right. Steve Whitaker says, Fran's neighbors look outside and say, what the hell is he doing now? I actually am like, I'm like low down the totem pole when it comes to like what people are doing in their yards. Who's high on the totem pole? There are some people like, we've got like high fences.

I've got like, you know, lots of like shrubbery and stuff that, you know, it's pretty private back there, but people are up to stuff. I don't know what's going on on the other side of these bushes. Like what? I don't know. I literally, I literally don't know. They're not worried about my banana water.

I'll tell you that. Is that Julia? Julia dry. What was that? Oh, man. Does the toaster off I need to be plugged in? It's not working. All right.

Thanks everybody for watching, listening. Make sure that you continue to support Big Brothers, Big Sisters, through the end of the show is tomorrow. I still want to crush that goal. All that good stuff. And thanks, everybody, for hanging out this week. We'll talk to you tomorrow. on the NFL draft show with Fran and Zach Berman.

But for now, thanks everybody for listening, especially the donators. Thank you to Julia. And as always, we love you.