PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Should Eagles bring in Kevin Stefanski to boost offense for a playoff run?

Episode Date: January 5, 2026

After a regular season-ending loss to the Washington Commanders featuring another uninspiring offensive performance, could the NFL’s Black Monday present an opportunity for Nick Sirianni to add to the Eagles’ coaching staff? Bo Wulf and EJ Smith discuss the potential benefit of bringing in former Browns head coach Kevin Stefanski, Tanner McKee’s performance against Washington and more. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody, and welcome to the P.H.O.Y. Eagles podcast on a playoff Monday, live from the Xfinity Studio, and I'm presented by Bet365 and Ashley Paul Wolf, the great Eagles insider E.J. Smith. E.J., how you doing? I'm doing well. I'm excited for the show. You know, it's a little sad that we don't have Fran today, but it's for the greater good. We're going to really backload the week. No snapies today. No snappies for the week 18 regular season finale. But what that means is that on Wednesday and Thursday, you're going to get full in-depth breakdown of both sides of the ball of this Eagles 4900s matchup. The professor is going to join us as well. So it'll be a nice, very deep forehands to give you ready for Sunday. Now, all that said, we've got a lot to get to today. Brandon Graham is going to join us, caught up with him earlier today. We've got a big picture discussion about Tanner McKee, if there is anything that happened on the field yesterday that changed your mind about maybe the depth chart for the playoffs. We'll talk Kevin Petulow. We'll talk Kevin Stafaski and some of the other news around the NFL. We gotta start, E.J., with our heads bowed and a very sad, solemn shots,

Chiu-phew. Explosives. Piu-poo. Tough one. Piu-poo. The sad is Pue-Poo in history. Hey, big guy. Big feelings.

Big guard, huh? Tough one. Wouldn't be the first, where it wouldn't be the last time he laid his hands on one of those players. I'm going to let you enjoy this. How do you feel? For those, I mean, I feel like all our listeners,

know this, but for those who don't, Jonathan Gannon was fired by the Arizona Cardinals today. I know there will be a lot of Eagles fans that don't feel sorry for it. So shocking, considering all the insiders said he was leading stay. Give me a break. I'll tell you what, though.

So there's now five open jobs. Yeah. If Christian Parker gets a defensive coordinator job, you think there's any chance, JG's back as a D backs coach? Defensive backs? Yeah. No, I don't think so.

I don't think so. I don't think he'll probably get an opportunity to be a coordinator somewhere. Why? Because I don't think the way that he's viewed in Philadelphia is the same way he's viewed across the league. He is, I know this is probably a moment, and I'll be honestly here. Like, let's be real. There will be people who are disappointed that it's me in this chair today, not somebody else. And I get that, because I'm not going to give you a full-throated defense of Jonathan Gannon here.

But I do think he is someone. who is viewed higher across the league than in Philadelphia. He was, like, he had a lot of opportunities when he joined the Eagle staff. I know. I think he'll probably have chance. But he's done nothing but underachieve since then. Yeah, I just think for all the reasons that, like, a lot of the media love Jonathan Gannon, like owners will like him and view him as a good option.

Yeah. He's got good relationships across the league, I'm sure. He'll be fine. You can read any insider, yeah. He's got a good agent. I mean, I think he does a good job of, like, networking and, you know, building relationships, too. So I don't think it will be here. I think he'll probably get a coordinator job somewhere.

Okay. Before we get to Stefansky, the other big Eagles news here today is Alec Hallaby. Yeah. Dolphins put in a ticket to interview him for their GM job. It has felt kind of like a long time coming that Alex should get a GM job. I have questions about like the long-term sustainability of Miami with Stephen Ross as an owner and also just everything that goes along with having... So maybe this isn't the right opportunity for them.

...professionals in their early 20s living in Miami. But, I mean, those jobs don't come around very often. I feel like if you get the job, you take the job. A lot of times the GM jobs that open up are imperfect for some reason or another, especially if it's an external hire they're looking for. And it's not... I think there are worse jobs. Oh, for sure.

I mean, although if you're Alec Hallaby, like the Panthers job he interviewed for last year, you probably feel like that was a good opportunity. I don't know. It's hard. There are only so many organizations where you'd feel like, okay, the ownership group is one that you'd want to work with or work for. And the coaching situation is whether it's stable or you feel like you can influence the next step forward for that organization. And a lot of those organizations that you would check those boxes, again, they're going to hire internally.

They're going to have succession planning. So it's tough to break in. But I do agree with you. I think that, I mean, he is obviously very impressive. And I think actually, like, obviously he came up through, like, analytics and, you know, has that reputation. But I do think, like, his player scouting is, I think he deserves probably more credit and respect for, like, his, what he can do in player evaluation, even just beyond the analytical side of the game, too. Yeah, I think the people will tell you that that, that he's grown in that area. He's beyond, yeah, he's not just analytics anymore.

And it's frankly not even that involved in the analytics. anymore it's yeah it's similar to howie in that standpoint and also a lot of the things that were a part of the you know uh backroom dynamics back in 2020 have been like totally put to the side yeah is my understanding yeah is that you know he's get he gets along with everybody i would agree with that yeah i actually and i i almost think obviously the eagles would not want to lose him but i think that like they probably have succession planning in place if he were to get a job i think they know it's not going to catch them by surprise well and i don't think it's going to be like i mean yeah i don't think that it's going to like leave this huge hole in the front office

necessarily well i think it's more that that as you say they they will they will have a plan yeah i think that they've known that this is coming so yeah um yeah it'll be interesting to see uh do you think it's good or bad for the eagles to have so many like uh connections to other gms i think it's probably good yeah i mean it makes i yeah you know You know what? Because I feel like you look at, like, Howie having a good relationship with the GM doesn't mean that they're not going to trade with him. Now, they're not going to, like, get fleeced by him. Sure. But I think, you know, Howie always talks about. You might get a draft pick for Kenny Pickett. Right. I was going to say, like, just like the mutually beneficial,

like, willingness to make deals, I think makes some sense. But yeah, I hadn't, I don't, I honestly was like, genuinely curious to hear what you thought about, like, how many of, like, the Howie Roseman, like, you know, disciples are out there. And if it's good or bad for the Eagles. And I think that Howie would say it's a good thing just in terms of information sharing. Sure. Yeah. Right? Which is what he really cares about is like knowing everything

that's going on. It's funny because that's like something you think about as a reporter. It's like it's good for a reporter in Philadelphia. If there's a bunch of people with connections to Philadelphia or across the league yeah, for Howie it's probably about the same. And you know that Stephen Ross and Jeffrey Lurie are tight. So that could maybe grease the wheels for

Halaby going there. I am sorry, I'm not good enough on owner lore to know if that was a joke or not. It's not a joke. They're like, as far as owners go, my understanding is that's Jeffrey's bestie. Okay. All right. It's good insight. There you go.

All right. Let's get to the big takeaway presented, of course, by our friends at Xfinity. Let's talk Kevin Stafansky, E.J., because he's a Philly guy. Yeah. You know that. He's now on the street. Any chance you think that Kevin Stafansky could find his way in Philadelphia? You know, it's an interesting question.

I think the Eagles would be, I mean, they had a lot to gain from having somebody like Kevin Cofansky on as an offensive consultant. Now, I wanted to make sure in the presentation of this that it was like another voice, not a new voice or not, like, I don't, I mean, like, I don't think anybody would suggest, like, oh, Kevin Cofansky should be the offensive coordinator tomorrow. But just to protect against that, let's make it clear that the Eagles have had a history of bringing in coaches in consulting roles mid-season right before the playoffs. Vic Fangio very famously was a consultant.

You're thinking about a real, like a quick edition. Yeah, okay. I am. So you were thinking off-season. I was, but yeah. I think he'll get a head coaching opportunity. But I think if you could borrow him for a month. A month and change.

Yeah, I do think that the interviewing side of it, but I think you could probably manage both. I don't think so. I think you probably could. I mean, did Vic have no interviews? Vic had to have interviewed when he was a consultant. I don't think so. I think the consultant job would be an interesting one. I think you were probably right in like the logistical side of things that he has more to gain by interviewing for head coaching jobs in the next month and focusing on that.

But if you were the Eagles, you would stand to gain a lot from having just a different voice. And it's funny because we spent a lot of time this season talking about how like the Eagles don't have like another play caller on staff. that you could go. If you took it away from Kevin Petulah, who could you give it to? And I'm not saying you would do that if Kevin Safansky was a consultant, but you'd at least have someone who can help Kevin Petulow with the feel for the game. Because we're going to talk a lot about Kevin Petulow's feel for the game against the commanders yesterday and really across the entire season. I think it's like, what I would say, how I frame it is that I think the Eagles would benefit greatly from it. But for that reason, I probably don't think that

Kevin Stefansky will actually be available. I think it is likely that he will just get one of these five open or four other openings yeah but i think if if and now diana rassini reported that he wants to get back into head coaching he wants to just get right back into it but if if if he wanted to go kind of the mike rabble route yeah which he did where he took one year where he was like just kind of a consultant for the i think was the brown's staff yeah uh on the defense and then he gets the head coaching job and maybe you feel like that year off was was refreshing to some degree I could absolutely see a scenario where it's like senior offensive consultant. Oh, for sure.

Yeah. And maybe that even means like you keep Petulow and then you have a guy there. But I will say, I know that he has had some of the worst quarterbacks around. Yeah, this is an important caveat here. But Kevin Savansky is not a miracle worker along the offensive side of the ball. Here are his rankings over the past six seasons in EPA per drive and success rate with to Cleveland Browns, along with who their leading passers were. In 2020, the first year he takes over with Baker Mayfield,

their 11th in EPA per drive and 17th in success rate. That would be the last time, that 11th and EPA per drive, that they were ever above average in either category. In 2021, 20th in EPA per drive, 17th in success rate. 2022, 17th in EPA per drive, 20th in success rate. That's when they made the Deshaun Watson trade, and Jacoby Brissette was their leading quarterback. 2023

Deshawn Watson gets injured That's the Joe Flacco year They go to the playoffs But they were 28th in EPA per drive And 28th in success rate Last year Dead last and both With James Winston

This year dead last in both With Shador Sanders As the leading passer Over the course of the past Six seasons combined The Brown's 31st in APA per drive 30th in success rate So certainly the Eagles

Would have more talent to work with Sure But this is not a guy who can just fashion an elite offense out of anything. We're not talking about the tier of coach that's like Kyle Shanahan or Shaw McVeigh where you feel like it doesn't really matter as much.

Well, obviously it always matters, but they can elevate an average group to be above average or at least below average group to be average. I think that obviously the last two seasons you probably do throw out a little bit with the Browns just because of how dysfunctional it's been. Dead last both years?

I don't know. I mean, they've had a little bit of problem solving. They've had a lot of quarterback turnover the last two years. I know, but there are some really bad quarterbacks and other teams, too. Yeah, but I think that offensive, you look like man to man is probably one of the worst offenses in the NFL. You'd like them to be higher than 30 seconds.

I agree. Like, that is a reflection of coaching. So it's definitely like, it is the necessary balancing to, like, add context to this. They still would have a massive improvement if they had somebody on staff like Kevin's to France. No, stylistically, you're talking more under-center stuff. Yeah, he's like what you, he's the, like, actually what they wanted when they hired Rick Skangarillo, right?

Somebody who actually has a firm grasp of like marrying the run in the past game together and just some of the elements of modern offense that we have not seen the Eagles embrace necessarily. And again, I think the thing that stand, the thing I want to keep up. It's funny to call it modern offense when it does seem a little bit regressive actually. Well, it's modern. They're the highest use of 13 personnel over the past six years. It's modern in a way because at the NFL cyclical. and I think that this is the cycle that we're starting to see. So, yeah, I'm not saying that he would come in and make this Eagles offense

the most dynamic offense in the playoffs, but I do think they need someone, and I don't know if they'll find somebody, but I think they could use someone like that who can help Kevin Petullo and supplement what Nick Siriani has done for this offense in the last month, which has been up and down, but Nick Seriani has brought more direction to the Eagles offense, I would say, in the last month. and I think they have a good relationship given the joint practices that these teams are Yeah, I was going to say this is probably, this scenario would probably be more of a Howie move than a Nick move.

Yeah. But Nick and Kevin Stefanski have had joint practices together each of the last few seasons and they know each other well. So, yeah, I don't think it's likely, but I do think it's an interesting like subplot to what is the main plot of the Eagles offense is still so, directionless going into the playoffs and so unpredictable. And, yeah, I mean, if they had a senior offensive consultant like a Kevin Stefansky, you know, even if it, yeah, I don't want to throw out too many names, but like Jim Bob Cooter or somebody, like the Marcus Brady of the past, not to say those guys are like, oh, they would fix it, but it is like an absence that

we're used to seeing on the Knicks hereany staffs. Impressive job to just to say the name Jim Bob Cooter and not even let a smile go across your face. I was locked in. No better name in the game. It is quite a name. J.B. Coots. Fantastic.

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Imagine that. Select plans-only restrictions apply. All right, back on the P.H.O.Y. Eagles podcast, E.J. having watched and digested over the last. 24 hours the game yesterday in the offensive approach yeah you let it sit I don't know what else you did with it but what did you think about Kevin Petullo's offensive approach um I was a little underwhelmed what did you learn I was a little underwhelmed because I didn't feel like we learned well we learned plenty but I think that last year's regular season finale really just like

oversold this year's regular season finale you know like last year there was so much to take away from like the differences from the Eagles offense, how Tanner McKee looked and what that would mean for his future. And this year was, I wouldn't say it was like all the same, but it was most of the same, some of the same antagonists that had given the Eagles offense issues for the last several months were still there against the commanders. And, you know, Tanner McKee, I thought it wasn't,

at the release it wasn't like an emphatic, like this is the game that's going to get you a second round pick or a first round pick for Tanner McKee. I still think that it's on the table that he'll have value on the quarterback market. Like, I don't think we need to go that far. But this wasn't like a full-throated, you know, I've used full-throated twice now. This wasn't a big statement game or performance from Tanner McKee. But specifically on the ego's offense, the thing that stood out to me is that there

are still these stretches in every game. It feels like the opening script has a, you know, a very clear plan, something that they really want to harp on. And then it seems like as the game progresses, they sort of lose their way. And then in the high stakes moments, late in games, Tank Bigsby's not getting the ball. And all of a sudden it's like 17 minutes or whatever it was? Yeah, and there's passing. I mean, Will Shipley's in?

Yeah, they're calling passing plays on third and short situations when they're going to go for it on fourth down. And there are just enough instances where you just, it's head scratching in terms of approach and philosophy. And I think it is probably a byproduct of the fact that this offense just doesn't have an identity. It doesn't have the through line. It doesn't have the Vic Fangio, we just don't want to give the quarterback any information before the snap. It doesn't have that one simple thing that they build the rest of it off of. But I do. I think that going into the playoffs, like the starting offense, what was Dana Zestat?

15 straight unsuccessful plays against the bills. And then the Eagles offense yesterday still has a lot of the concerns and the issues that we've seen really all season. I mean, it looked ugly. But where do you think yesterday's game for the Eagles ranked among their 17 games this season and success race? Uh, it's, oh, success rate, it was a little, it was higher on success rate, wasn't it? Higher than EPA per drive, yes. Yeah, the EPA per drive, I thought was, it was middle of the road, but lower when I looked. Success rate, I'm going to guess it was probably top six.

Sixth? Yeah. Is there six best game of the year by success rate? That's not saying a lot. I know it's not. It was ninth in EPA per drive. I know it's not saying a lot, but it tells you how bad they've been on offense this year. Right, exactly, but it still looked more or less the same.

EPA per drive, what was it, what was EPA per drive? Where did it right? Yeah, so, and it felt that way. It felt like a performance commensurate with the Eagles' offense this season. And I, again, like stylistically, they didn't lean into under center as much as I thought they would, especially because- No, Understead was middle of the pack. Yeah, Tanner McKee said after the game, like, he's comfortable under center, he likes it, but that wasn't a big part of it.

It was really play action. And again, I think that's something that the Eagles coaching staff is harping on going into the postseason, the opportunity, the openings that they can, you know, take advantage of with play action. But again, I just, I was expecting to see the offense look a little bit more different than it did, I would say. I believe it was their third most pass-heavy script of the season, which is a little bit surprising, especially the way that Bigsby was running. And given, like, you didn't really have a lot of receivers, you would think they maybe would have leaned into that a little bit more. I took that as maybe like a vote of confidence in the quick game, especially with Tanner McKee in there. You know, like that third and three pass call, like to me, those are like, they trust Tanner McKee to get the ball.

on time and accurate into tight windows. And I just, did you look at the pressure numbers with McKee? I'll save it for later, but they were drastic. I did not. Yeah, I'll save it for later. Yeah. I just, I don't know, did you leave it as underwhelmed as me? Like, just the schematic side of it.

And again, like the feel for the game also really stood out, like some of the sequencing in the second half. Yeah, and we talked on the halftime show on the postgame show about, I really, I didn't like the third and one, fourth and one situation in the red zone because I felt like if you were going to go for it on fourth down, then you should have it on third down, and then they, you know, they have the two passes that are unsuccessful. But I don't know if I was expecting it to look that drastically different, given all the stuff we've heard this season. But the one thing that was different was they were getting the ball off. They were getting the snap. It was not going late

into the clock. Yeah. And the professor sent us a graphic beforehand. I asked them about it. I But by measuring how often they were in the last five seconds of the clock, it was their best, quickest game of the season. If you do it just by two seconds, it was their second best. How do you make of that? I think it's twofold. First, the obvious one, the quarterback, it's unavoidable that they, you know, Tanner McKee is in there and it seemed like the operation moved more quickly.

I'm going to give Jalen Hertz a little bit of space. I'm going to make space for Jalen Hertz to get out of this. Being in the crosshairs on this, is it possible because it was the second team offense? There are a lot of moving parts that they just simplified their pre-snap process. And it was less about Landon Dickerson's pointing here, Jordan Milat is pointing over here, Cam Juergens is making a call, Jalen Hertz is directing traffic. The wide receivers are doing different symbols. Is it possible that it was a more streamlined process because it wasn't the usual starting offense in there?

Yeah, no doubt about it. I don't know. That might not actually be true. It might be just the quarterback. What else you noticed was that there wasn't quite as much finger pointing from everybody else on the offensive line? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, the offensive line didn't have as much traffic to direct.

Tanner made it sound like Drew did, Drew Kendall did have a decent amount of pre-snap responsibilities on his plate. You know, and he said that Drew Kendall did a really good job with that. But realistically, like, I just, you know, gave the big cover for Jalen Hertz here. I think this is just a player thing at this point. Now, I'm not seeing the coaches don't have a hand in it as well, but I do think the fact that it was so efficient last night probably speaks to the Eagles offense

and Jalen Hertz as the conductor are not operating fast enough pre-stamp. So on the Tanner McKee front, how much do you think this changed the arc of the next nine months of his career? That's a good question. I still think the Eagles would be open. I'm not saying this, this is a guess. This isn't like an educated guess.

I would imagine the Eagles would be open, just based off of where he is in his contract and kind of like the fact that he seems ready to compete for a job somewhere, I would guess the Eagles would be open and moving him this off-season. And I feel like this game, if he had played unbelievable,

then I think we both would have sat up here and been like, the Eagles could ask for a first-round pick for him, like realistically. And maybe they get a second, but they could ask for a first. Now I'm not as bullish on that. I feel like it's probably you're hoping for a day-to-pick. And then the question becomes,

do you value Tanner McKee more than a day two pick? I think it is a, it's an interesting Howie thing, and I still actually kind of think it is more likely that he is traded because if he goes, you get the final year of his rookie deal and you get a cheap backup, but then you're not getting anything for him after he leaves because presumably he's not going to resign to be a backup.

He's going to want to go somewhere where he can compete. And so I think Howie is going to want to get something for the time invested and I think he's going to want to add another drafted backup quarterback this season. Yeah, it's almost like you want to use the pick you get for McKee to find the next McKee. Yeah, but I think that he will be disappointed that the market might not be what he once thought it might be. Yeah, now this is a good time to get to this. I think what we learned about Tanner McKee yesterday is like he does need

not perfect scenario, perfect circumstances around him, but he needs optimal circumstances. The pocket stuff was really disappointing. next-gen stats, Tanner McKee completed just one of his 14 passes under pressure for 12 yards. He completed 20 of 26 passes for 229 yards, a touchdown, and an interception were not pressured. So he was drastically more efficient when he had a clean pocket. And I think when you look at Tanner McKee and you watch his play style, it makes sense that he needs a clean pocket to operate out of to succeed. I don't think you're getting a lot out of structure necessarily. not to say that he can't do like a scramble drill from inside the pocket or even like you know just extending a play rolling out but again I do think like he's probably that tier of quarterback where you need something you need to build it around what he's good at and what is disappointing is that and maybe this is a reflection of the wide receivers he had out there usually when we've seen him in the preseason and stuff like that he will just if the pressure is coming he will just give a guy a chance to win one-on-one yeah and he didn't really do that yesterday yeah

maybe it is a reflection of the receivers yet. I mean, it was not a great group out there. Yeah. You know, the offensive line. Or the offensive line, yeah. I would say, the offensive line had a lot of moving pieces. Although, I'll tell you what. The offensive line looked better, I thought, once Matt Pryor went to guard and Cameron

Williams was the right tackle. Well, yeah. I just don't think Matt Pryor is a tackle at this point. Yeah. You've been very outspoken about how much you love Tandermake. I still think he's a top 20 quarterback. I really do. I don't think that that performance disqualifies that.

Yeah, I think that it is probably an important data point if you're a team evaluating what it might look like if he's a full-time starter. But, no, I still think he has qualities that make him a starting caliber quarterback in the NFL. It's just a matter of if a team is going to pay that. And, you know, we mentioned, like, the draft compensation. Like, if you're Howie, like, you probably feel like to have a good chance at landing the next Tanner McKee, you need at least, what, a fourth? Yeah, I actually, I don't think they would take a fourth.

That's what I'm saying. Like, I don't think you, I think the benefit of, like, because Tanner McKee is really more or less, like, obviously he's not 100 percentile, but he's like 85th percentile of, like, what you're expecting when you draft a quarterback in the fifth round. He might even be like 95th percentile. The fifth round? Yeah.

Ninety ninth percentile. Well, no, what I'm saying is like, yeah, so 99th percentile. to get even a playable quarterback that late. Yeah, but like what the Eagles are trying to do with the quarterback factor is they are trying to extrapolate value that then pays for the fact that you're developing these quarterbacks. So in an ideal world, like the Eagles would want Tanner McKee to go for like a second right now and then they use another fifth to draft what they hope to be the next Tanner McKee. Or they use a fifth to draft or to trade for somebody like Malik Willis who they can hopefully

flip later down the line. If you're just getting like the pick to recuperate another Tanner McKee on a rookie deal. I guess the rookie deal value is there, but I sort of feel like at that point, you just keep him, you know? I think... You need to gain something out of it. I think the only reason that they would keep McKee at this point is if they're keeping the door open. I said this yesterday. For him to be the quarterback. Now, did I say this on the show, or did I say this to somebody in the press box? I don't think you said on the show. Okay, I said there's somebody on the press box. The only world where they want to keep him is one

where they consider keeping him. They think there's a non-zero chance that he is going to be their long-term answer. Yeah. Which I still think is a low percentage chance. But yeah, I don't know. I guess there is a scenario where they just say offers didn't come in.

The quarterback market didn't heat up. But I think the scenario where they aren't exploring it is what we just said. Yeah. All right. Time to take a break to hear from some sponsors on the other side. Brandon Graham, we caught up with him this morning,

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But let's, let's quickly talk about yesterday. I mean, the 20-something snaps, how you feeling? I'm feeling good, man. You know, a little sore, but nothing, nothing crazy. I'm just, it was fun. Go out there and compete. You know, obviously, you wanted to get to win. But, you know, I thought that the guys that got to play, you know, they got better yesterday, man.

Even though some stuff didn't go down the way we wanted it to, too. I thought that that experience is going to carry us a long way. because when you get all the guys in and everybody playing together, you know, it's just going to make them want it even more to get that, get back out there. So I was happy for the younger guys

that got the opportunity. Yeah, was there anybody who, you know, hasn't gotten a ton of time this season who played yesterday that impressed you? You know what? I didn't look at the film just yet. I'm going to look at it today. I was so tired yesterday.

I ended up going out to eat right after and then I end up going straight home going to bed. But if I had to say, I'm looking forward to seeing, and Ty, Ty Robinson, see what he did. You know, just see what Morrill and all of them boys did up front. Of course, check on the boys up front. But that boy, Jeremiah Trotter, man, you know, he was coming down.

That's what I thought you might say. Yeah, yeah. That's the one who stuck out to me the most. And looking forward to seeing him keep going because when he threw that ex-out, boy, I just was like. That was such a good play, too. Was he calling place in the huddle? Yeah, he was. How was his, like, leadership demeanor?

It was good. It was good. You know, I know he's going to continue to keep getting better, keep getting comfortable. It was just we all were trying to help each other out there to make sure that we all got the right cause so we can be playing the same thing. So what was your reaction when you found out that you were going to have to play as many snaps as you were going to have to? Just knowing that, you know, you haven't played that many snaps and you know, you guys didn't have a ton of extra bodies on the defensive line. Well, it was cool for me, man, because I'm getting ready for this run we're trying to make. And whenever my name is called, at least my body will be ready because I didn't play 20. I don't expect to play 20 when we actually come back.

But you just never know how the game flow of the game goes. So I'll just staying available and just making sure that I'm encouraging the boys. And, hey, when you got guys like Jalick, slim boys stepping up in a big way, hey, that's what you need. And I'm just excited to go out there and watch them and go win with them because that's the whole goal. to win and to keep winning to the end. So Jalix, let's talk about him for a second. And I know we'll talk about this on Unblock this week, but Jailix finishes the regular season,

leading the team in sacks and leading the team in interceptions. Never been done before in the Eagles history. Hey, I love that, man. I love that for him because I know he's trying to make his way, trying to make sure that he's doing what he got to do for his family to come. And, man, I just want to continue to just keep pouring into him, man, because I see him working every day. It ain't no mystery on why he's making plays the way he's doing it

because I think he takes his rep serious and you can see him just on how he works every day, just excited to be out there, you know, dancing with the guys, got the handshakes, all that stuff, man. You just knew it was going to be a big one for him this year and it ain't even done yet. So who all did you go out to dinner with last night after the game? It was me, Jordan Davis, Nolan, and Matt Leo. Matt Leo, he's getting in on all these things. I like that.

Good for him. Yeah, Matt, you know, Matt Player Development, man. So I know that he'd been out there just building with the guys. He already had that relationship with Nolan and JD. And, you know, so that was kind of easy after the game to kind of be like, you know, we ain't got nobody at the game. So let's go. Let's go do something.

And so we all wanted to eat. So at dinner, are you guys talking about the Niners? Is it like, are you already thinking about that? When you hit me up, when you hit me up, you know, we was trying to figure out what day we was going to be in or not. And then when you hit me up and told me, we didn't even know until you told me. And then everything started popping up on our end as far as the coaches and our schedules and all that stuff. So, yeah, I'm excited, man. Sunday game, what is, 430?

430, yep. Yep, time to go. Got to get ready. How different does it feel showing up to work in a playoff week? You know what? It feels the same. But when you get in that atmosphere, you're going to realize, like, yeah, like everybody's, everybody home but us. You know what I'm saying?

And so you think about those teams that's here that's able to play in the postseason that's still around. That's, and we want to make sure we stick around for a while. All right. I like that. Anything from the game, the snaps that you played, because I don't know. We'll spend too much time on that on Block this week. I imagine we'll talk more playoff stuff. Look like a couple times you were held to me, but, you know what?

It's all good. It's part of it. I can say the one where I was trying to get off and get the sack, boy, that boy held me. He was just grabbing my shoulder pads. But it's all good, though, because that's part of the game. I ain't worried about it. I felt like yesterday was fun. Went out there, you know, made a couple good stops in the run.

And, man, I was just excited to, you know, just get on a staff sheet. How much did you know what was going on in the other game during when you guys were on the sideline? Well, we knew once we got once we sat on the bench, we knew that the Lions had the last at the ball and the last drive. I was just peeking every night again. And really, I was just like, man, let us win ours. And it just started getting tighter and tighter. And then they end up, you know, getting us on that last drive. But it's all good.

I'm looking at it. We was going to have to play whoever. It didn't matter. It's just, man, we got to go. If we want to win, we got to go through, we got to go through the heart. And I'm loving that too. How did, like, the sting of this loss compared to the sting of a different loss? It wasn't really that big of a sting.

It was just more so thankful that guys got to rest. We almost still won with the backups in, which is cool, because that means, you know, the backups are going to continue to keep getting stronger. And, you know, I just felt for guys like Keeley that didn't have such a good day. Corey and Bennett, you know, just on those, like those, those little. mistakes you know cost us in like a little bit uh getting us to the good getting them to the goal line when we were stuffing them you know i'm saying but that's part of it that's part of the learning curve and i hope that up for them they don't they don't shy away from you know it being

hard for them right now because when it when it becomes a little better for you you know you ain't going to be thinking about none of it so just want to keep them focused and encourage and to know like hey it don't matter what other people say just as long as you keep getting this opportunity to go out there, man, make sure that you just have a better show on each and every time. Keep getting better. For the people who might second guess the decision to sit guys, how would you explain the benefit of a week of rest for the guys? It's perfect, man, because it's a lot of guys that they don't even know that that's been pushing all season. And when you got a free week like that, you want to take advantage of it so that these boys can be at their best, against

the best. You know, 49ers going to come in and they're going to play. And we got to make sure that we got full strength of who we got because there's no better way than to have your best up front and everywhere all around Lane and everybody, you know, being able to give you a chance to go out and win the game. So as long as we got everybody, we make it through the week, stay clean. And, you know, when that, when Sunday come, it's going to be cool because we're going to have everybody full steam ahead. All right. Ladies and gentlemen, Gentlemen, Brandon Graham, great stuff yesterday. We will talk to tomorrow morning on the Anthony Gargano show.

And then, of course, Thursday morning, everybody can watch Unblocked with Brandon Graham. Thank you, BG. Oh, yeah. Thank you. Appreciate you. All right. Back with more on the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast. You know, I already know you're watching the show and you are getting ready to spend the next seven days thinking about that stupid looking flat brim hat.

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apologize I need to apologize to the audience earlier in this episode when we were discussing the changes to the offense or lack thereof you were talking about how the offensive line as a group was not pointing and then I repeated it as if If it was my own thought, I was, I was not listening intently enough when you were speaking. Listen, it is my least favorite thing that, to happen on a show. I'm deeply sorry to you and the listeners. I, I, I, I'm embarrassed. If I can't trust, if you can't trust me to pay attention to what's being said on the show,

how can we expect you to pay attention to it? That's how I feel. I'm ashamed. I will, I will, I will. try my best to make sure that that never, ever happens again. I appreciate your apology. I don't think you needed to apologize, but now that you've explained it,

I think I understand where you're coming from. And have I ever done this to you? I hate this. Have I ever done this to you is what I'm curious now? I can't remember you having done this. Yeah. Now, before I was doing a podcast with you, you would sometimes take my takes

that we would talk about in private And first of all, I would have never done that. You may, just because you think of something doesn't mean that I haven't thought of it first or better. Oh, first or better. But that's not what we're talking about here. Well, listen, I appreciate that. Of all the things that you have done to me, this is the thing that you apologize for. Absolutely, yes.

This is the worst thing I've ever done to you. How many times do you think you've apologized on this podcast? Every single time that it's been needed. Which is like three times and three years. Two years, two years and change. Three might be too many. But yeah. Well, it's a big moment.

I appreciate it. There you go. Would you like to hear a funny stat that I guarantee Nick C. Grine is going to love? Yeah, you were all excited about this before the show. Now I really do want to hear it. If you sort the Eagles 17 games this season by designed runs, the percentage of designed runs, the percentage of designed runs

Yeah The It is a straight order The top 11 games Are there 11 wins And the bottom six games Are there six losses Now some of that is obviously correlated

You're going to run more and blow out wins But there are a lot of close games in there too It is very funny That that that is how it plays out And makes me think they're going to be Running the ball whether they can or not On Sunday. Running it just to run it as Kevin Petullo put it a couple of weeks ago.

Yeah, I do wonder how much of that is just tied to the fact that, like... There is correlation. The games in which they've had... But the straight 11 and 6 is very funny. Yeah, yeah. But is this like just a more sophisticated version of the concussion uncle? Every time they have more than 30 rushing attempts, they win. Sure.

Oh, yeah. Don't get twisted. I'm not saying they need to run the ball. Oh, okay. Okay, yeah. You're saying that'll be there to... Oh no, I thought you were saying, like, see, they're going to have more design runs. No, you're saying that that is going to be their takeaway.

Okay, not great. Not ideal. I mean, this is, although, let me, this is a good segue into something I wanted to say today, which is that there's been a lot of discussion about whether or not Nick Siriani made the right decision resting the starters. And I think if you were going to be results based on it, I think, like, you have to give time to see if the Eagles offensive line or really the, the, you know, the. Eagles in general look different off of the

break. Great point. You need to because as much as it's like, oh, they lost the two seed, you know, that, it blew up in their faces, if they come out and they are an efficient and dominant run team because Landon Dickerson and Cam Juergens and even Jordan Milada are playing

at a better level because they got this week off, then I don't think it really matters as much. I think can I give you my hot take a little bit here? I think the two seats the value of the two seed is maybe overblown. It's like two is better than three,

so the fact that they didn't get it is this big deal. But I do, obviously, playing the Packers, better matchup than playing the 49ers. I can concede that. But in the grand scheme of things, if you're thinking about the long run, the chance to get to the Super Bowl,

I don't think, I actually take Devante Smith at his word. It doesn't matter what the path is. I think that's true. I think there are there are cases to be made that the difference between the two and the three is both underrated or overrated because you're getting an easier team

it also means depending on let's say the Packers beat the Bears you know now you're getting the Rams but all that is true but I think there are two things one is you're right the goal for this team realistically the goal is

I think get to the NFC championship game I think if you get there you call it we all feel good even if even if if they lose, no matter how. And winning two games, and especially winning three games to getting to the Super Bowl, they're going to be better served by having the rest.

Yeah. And I think you're absolutely right about to be results based on it. You have to see how they come out in the first round of the playoffs because you listen to the guys. I mean, even BG who played 28 snaps yesterday is like, oh, yeah, like, we feel great. Yeah. And, you know, it would be better if they would have won yesterday

and had their cake and eaten it two. but I still think that this was the right decision and I still feel resolute about that. We could be looking up in a week and I'm not trying to I feel like I don't know if I'm using this expression properly but is it shoot bail? That's the expression, right?

Shoot bail for somebody? I've never heard that. I think that is, I'm going to look it up, I think that is what I'm, I think I'm using that correctly. What Christian bail ever do to you? I mean, it's just a, it's post bail, you know, defend somebody.

I feel like I've been giving a lot of cover that kind of bail the yeah i feel like i've been uh giving a lot of cover to the eagles here um i don't want it to come across that way like i was on with cuss this morning and anthony has been very consistent he did not think they should have rested the starters because he thought matching up against the packers was a really important thing for the eagles and for that reason i was like i can't argue with you like you were proven right but again if you're going to be reactionary and make it about the results you have to see how they look in the playoffs i think that that is just the the only that's the it's the fair way to be results oriented with this because listen it is you'll hear all the time it's a

result I mean I think you should be process oriented but you're right that it's a results based business but the result is ongoing like you have to yeah you can't you can't make the judgment right now right if they if the offense if the offensive line all of a sudden looks different and healthier yeah and you know gil and carter has a monster game and oh by the way and they reel off three straight wins yeah they was the right decision and if the bears lose to the packers which is feasible division game they I mean I think that kind of might think that they will. Yeah, so the Bears lose to the Packers.

So then the Eagles would be going to, they would have the Rams in the second round, right? Yes. And then the next thing is, are you confident that the Seahawks are going to make it to the NFC championship game? So I'm not saying they didn't have a missed opportunity yesterday. I want to be clear about that.

Like, they missed an opportunity. It was an objective, like, you know, they let one slip away. But I still think, like, the people who are being, like, alarmist about it, I'm just not, I'm not there. Yeah, I think in the moment, seeing it all play out and the simultaneous nature of it all, where like, oh, the commander's tied and the bear is tied at the same time, and then the lines take the lead and the Eagles turn it over, like, that, it played it all up and it was very dramatic and it felt, I think it felt a little bit more disastrous

yesterday. For sure, yeah. Then it did, having woken up and being like, you know what, they got the rest, it's going to be fine. Not to be, um. They're good or they're not Good. Now, I want the listeners to know, I try really hard never to be this guy on the show because I find it, like, I just, I find it so unrelatable. But to be, like, the beat reporter that, like, doesn't complain about the travel, but, like, wants everyone to know about the travel. Yeah. But, you know, even for me, I was like, oh, man, like, I would have loved to cancel those Chicago hotel reservations. So I understand, like, if you're a fan of the team or you're a player in the situation, I understand the disappointment.

in the moment because I may have had some of that myself but again like I think in the grand scheme of things I kind of like I said

I think the most poignant thing I heard in the locker room yesterday was Devante Smith saying we don't care what the path is like it doesn't matter you're going to have

to beat good teams right let's it it's it's it's the Niners at home and at the Bears or it would have been the Packers

and then probably the Rams at home. I don't know. It doesn't seem that different. Yeah. It doesn't to me. Um, what do you think of my, like, my principle that I don't come on here and be like, let's talk about Marriott's guy. I mean, I don't think it says, uh, I don't think it makes you the hero like the pretending it's noble. I don't think it's noble. No. I just like, I don't know. I feel like it's like a trope. It's like, like in Bruce Springsteen, it's like, okay. Sure. We get it. Yeah. I agree with that. Yeah. Yeah. I just, it's part of the job. I'm planning about American

Airlines, yeah. You'll never catch me. The Alcyon days of... Yeah, you'll never catch me. What was your number one takeaway from what we saw yesterday in terms of how it affects what the Eagles are going to put on the field and the ramifications of stuff in the playoffs?

Because I have one. That's a good question. I think the number one takeaway I had from the game was that the Eagles' cornerback depth is even scarier than we thought it was. That's exactly right. And to me, is that what you had? The number one thing is if there is an injury in the secondary during the game,

Cooper de Gene is going to the outside of Michael Carter is coming in the game. Yep, yeah, that's a perfect observation from that. You cannot put either of those guys in the game in the playoffs. Michael Carter, I thought, looked pretty good. He also looked good in two different roles. So I actually think you now have a guy who is just the first guy on the field if any of the five defensive backs get injured. So in terms of team building,

in the off-season, if we look ahead, are you prioritizing trying to fix the outside cornerback depth or are you going into it saying we know what it looks like if Cooper to Gene is our backup outside corner and you can find a nickel corner more easily than you can,

a competent third outside corner? I think you would still rather have a Dory Jackson type. Okay. Keep Cooper to Jean at nickel. You're hoping, like, some, you're trying to split the difference between like a James Bradbury

and a Dory Jackson. You want somewhere in that range. Okay, I can see that. Because to me, it's like Cooper to Gene is the best and really only option at Outside Corner if one of Quineon Mitchell or Dorie Jackson go down based off of what we've seen this season, which is really sad, by the way, because, like, I've been in the studio pounding the table for Keely Ringo before. And again, it just seems like... I know.

I just feel bad for it. Yeah, I about say, it's just like, yeah, you just feel bad for it. And I saw, I think, I'm not sure if it was real, but I saw like he posted something on social media. like you know I love you guys too or something and it's funny because like to pull the listeners back behind the curtain here like you walk in a locker room and like you see a guy who had a bad game and the like before they're like as a human the thing you don't want to see is like them just sitting there scrolling on their phone you know that's a good point and that was keyly wringo yesterday so I was wondering if he was going to post something and again it's like you know also sad

what's that well all of the other Georgia guys yeah thriving thriving. Now, you know, Nolan has had a little bit of a dip this season, but he's had his moments. Yeah, he's an NFL player. The Kobe is blossoming. Jalen and Jordan, like, Jordan Davis is having the best year for his career, and Keeley is just being left behind. You know what it's, I think the reason why we both feel, like, so sad about it is, like, everybody in their life has been in a situation where it feels like everything they do is wrong. And, like, you get in, like, a slump like that. And it's obviously, that's, like, what's going on with Pele Ringo on the field. Okay. he's like rushing to that. I was waiting for Bo to say I can't relate to that. I just think he's a nice guy. But you know what I mean? It's like you go through a slump.

Maybe you've never been in the slump, you know, Mr. Perfect. Baseball star, struck everybody out. Did you hear, by the way? Yeah, I heard this in your show with Rich. And I immediately turned off the episode because I knew that I couldn't trust the hosts to tell the truth. I was going against plumbers and firemen. You're wrong. And also, I was second in strikeouts. I'd led the county innings pitched. Oh, so you were a workhorse.

Yes. That's the story. What kind of, how would you describe yourself as a pitcher? Were you like a power guy, where you, did you have a wide arsenal of pitches? What was the thing that made you special? Yeah, wide arsenal, I would say, I would say, like, a very reliable curveball. You know, I could pitch backwards, which in high school is, it goes a long way. Yeah.

Yeah. Changeup came and went and had some memorable games where the changeup was pinpoint, but also it didn't always have it. When did you, how old were you, and this is a personal? Like I'm throwing a three-two curveball in high school, essentially. So you really trusted it. I respect that. How old were you when you started throwing breaking balls? Probably not until, not truly until ninth grade.

Okay, because my dad was like a big, he's a big stickler. Yeah, he's right about that. You're not throwing a breaking ball until you're 13, 14 years old. Your elbows need time to develop. Yeah. I started throwing a splitter. That one will really hurt your elbow. So I used to try to throw a sinker and you have to like, well, I don't know if this

attribute you had to like twist your arm the wrong way. The splitter is because if you like feel the, feel your elbow. Okay. And have your fingers together. This is risky right here. And if you pull them apart, like it's, if you feel the extra stress on the elbow. Yeah. It's interesting.

I used to be, I, my dad would tell you baseball is my best sport. I used to throw a baseball into. a wheelbarrow and we didn't live in an area where like that would have been a normal thing to do I just like would be out there for hours just like pitching throwing into a wheelbarrow every time I throw it it would make this loud bang like the whole neighborhood was probably like what is this kid doing um that and I had the thing you hit the ball and it coils up and then it comes back yeah yeah so I was just always outside playing baseball nice wasn't as good as you it wasn't perfect We know.

Did you feel like, I really think that's the only thing for the short-term playoff ramifications. I would agree with that. I was a little bit disappointed in the way that Jahad Campbell played a little bit. Yeah, I didn't have any feeling on it, like good or bad. Try to look good. Try to do in the X-Man shop. Oh, that's awesome. It's a great moment.

And I love that he doesn't overuse it. He does it really for when it's like, it's a big one. That was awesome. I am one of the more detached people from the team that you can find and I still am like oh that's cool that's pretty cool I think that Trotter made you feel

better about the possibility of moving on from Nacobie Dean Yeah he could be like next year's Nikobe He could probably be your linebacker three And you'll feel okay Yeah I think that's fair And especially you have Smile Mondin who is more of like the athlete in that in that room

So you got the special team's contributions there Yeah it's a good room Otherwise, I mean, I guess I would say You don't want to see Matt Pryor tackle ever But we already knew that Yeah See Alfred Do you think the Calcuttaire injury was significant?

No, he came back out Yeah, he went inside Rare case of a guy going inside Yeah And again, people will always be like Oh, they went to the locker room They actually don't go to the locker room But he came back from there

And he jogged down the sideline So I think, I mean it'll probably It wouldn't shock me if he's on the injury report but it seems like he's okay. Okay. I guess I was about it. Yeah. I think.

The offense, what we talked about earlier, that's the thing for me. Yeah, I do think that I was, I have been right about John Dotson. Yeah. I don't really understand how he was ever. Jahan Dotson or Jacorion Bennett. John Dotson, for sure. Okay. Just what they gave up.

Yeah, compensation. What are you giving up? They won a Super Bowl. The last eight seconds, because we're going to Lindsay time. Yeah, I mean, they won a Super Bowl. Yeah. You probably don't. Yeah, butterfly effect, you don't undo it because you don't know.

But I don't know that. I mean, I like Thomas Booker as much as the next guy. That's why I asked you. I figured Thomas Booker would. I guess if truly this was undo it and don't know what the ramifications are, you would do that one. Because you don't want to risk that you don't win the Super Bowl without Johan Dotson. But if you say, what is a worst trade, it was that John Dotson. Yeah.

I remember the reaction when they traded for Dotson, too, is the Eagles have the best three receiver, the best receiving core in the NFL. I don't really understand how he was ever the 16th overall pick. It's just like, he's small. Yeah. He's not like four three fast. He kind of, so. He's not like the most polished route runner. He wasn't the most productive guy.

This is a bad cop. Fran will be like just. writhing in his film study in the room. But like, it's kind of like the Jalen Rager. The Fran writhing. The Jalen Rager thing

where it's like, if you're going to be that size, you have to be really special. And I just, I never saw it with Rager. I did like Dotson coming out of college, though. I have to be honest.

So I'd be curious to hear what Fran thought of Dotson coming out of school. Francis, oh no. I mean, John Dotson and Jalen Rigger are not the same player. But no. Just like in the,

to be that size, you have to have some unusual characteristic as Jeff's Island would say, yeah. I'm looking at my notes, I mean, Kyle and Granson, looked fine, I thought. I like a Kyle and Granson. Like, you know, even like he's become a special teams guy for this team,

he wasn't really billed as that coming into the summer, so, yeah. I think I just have a soft spot for tight ends in general. Don't make that weird. I think I generally wasn't even I wasn't the thing about that Fran says he thought Dotsam was overdrafted

so there you go You know who was right about something Fran about Jacorian Bennett Yeah He's taking a lot of victory Don't tell him but Don't tell him I think he's aware

I know he knows I mean Fran knows ball Yeah I mean not as it's it's it's Probably less of an impressive call than picking up Brandon Johnson after like four days of practice. I mean, like, that guy's going to stick around. That's impressive. But the Jaguarian Bennett thing, yeah, he knows what he's watching.

So we can't explain this fully on the show, but I want to bring it up because it'll be fun. Because you'll know what I mean when I say this. Brandon Johnson has become like a Britain coffee figure in the Eagles locker room. Meaning that like everybody goes over and talks to him? I mean, he's got his little buddies. Oh, that's funny. Yeah. I don't, I don't, I've only had one conversation with him.

He seems like a nice guy, yeah, and yeah, like, Britain, all right, so I'll explain it a little bit. Britton Covey is like an open door. Holden court. Yeah, he always has someone talking to him in the Eagles Locker, and Brandon Johnson has become that, where it's like, it's not like he's getting interviewed the whole time. He's just nice to talk to. He's nice talking to other people, so he always has somebody just sitting there, just shooting the breeze with him. You know what I was thinking about as I was just looking at the staffs of the other, guys who have been fired

I mean only five openings that's not like a ton of turnover that's that's under it's possible there could be one or two more and if you're just thinking about who the Eagles could bring in as an offensive person

I do actually think that the dayball thing could happen I mean in that he's got a relationship with Nick he's got a good relationship with Jalen yeah Jalen played well with dayball there that's the year you got benched though

no was it the year after Dave all was still there I think I think it was the I thought it was the year anyway I've written stories about this so I should know it I think it was the year after

because I remember I just remember an anecdote that Mike Loxley told me former Alabama coach that like that Jalen was like going to the sideline to Brian Dable and like give me the Drew Breeze

I mean I can curse now we're in both overtime right he'd be like give me that Drew Bree shit like he was feeling himself he wanted like the elite color the high level concepts so I think that it was the year after yeah I could be wrong okay but still they have a relationship but if it was the year after then he wasn't the quarterback he was the backup yeah but he came in yeah I see I think that's what it was so either either way they have a relationship already I don't I don't know I do think like we probably overstate the like tactician

side of the offensive coordinator and understate like what made Shane Steichen, well I mean a lot of things made Shane Steichen a great offensive coordinator but the play calling like the having a passion for sequencing setting things up getting to different concepts I think that is really important for that job

because you're only going to get so much latitude you know latitude because of Nick Seriani you're only going to have so much space to do what you want to do it's how you call those things how you get to certain things so yeah okay anything else no i'm hoping to stop wearing these hand hand bandages he's got the man's got appointment of the burn unit i do shout out to the burn unit maybe maybe we'll see how it goes today and have we done all right last thing have we announced that there's going to be another professor on the show. Have we talked about this?

What are you talking about? Danez isn't going to be the only professor on the P.H.O.I. Eagle Show. Oh, we haven't talked about this. I guess it's my news to announce. I'm an adjunct professor at Temple. I don't know if it's actually like totally official, but next week, baby. Teaching a class. It starts next week.

Yeah, it starts next week. It's Tuesdays. It's a good day. Jeez. Yeah, intro to sports writing. I'm excited. I did not. Do you have like a full syllabus? Yeah. Are you going off of someone else's? Yeah, shout out to John DeCarlo.

It's his syllabus. I'm just going to go teach them about sports writing. I got thing. I actually, you're basically plagiarizing. What do you mean? Oh, the syllabus? I don't think that's how that works. But no, I mean, I've got like things I really want to harp on.

I'm excited. I think I'm going to try to teach these students to be good sports journalists that are ready for like an internship without having to like learn a lot of the, things that you usually have to teach an intern. So I'm excited. It's going to be fun. What's your, what's your, what's your number one piece of advice? Learn how to format quotes is probably the number one thing. I would tell from a writing perspective, but in terms of like navigating the industry, you have to network. It is the most important thing you can do. The keep in touch with lists have ever told you about, you've heard

we talk about this. I think I have heard you talk about this. Yeah, it's like an Excel spreadsheet with everybody who you meet in the industry. I don't do it as much as I used to. But yeah, you document the last time you talk to him and then you can sort it by that and then you can go haven't talking well yeah you make sure you're in college

because the last thing this is life advice the last thing you want to be is the person who only reaches out to somebody when you need something got to keep in touch with people that's good advice yeah I can't keep giving this away for free though

I'm an adjunct professor now I'm happy for you but but listen John I always hear the whole time. You could ask me, too. I was going to say, you definitely were setting that up. Yeah. Yeah, it'll be fine. I look forward to stories from the classroom. Yeah, that'll be interesting. I don't hang out with, obviously, I don't hang out with that age group very often. Just not hanging out with a bunch of like 20 year olds. I would hope not. Yeah, that would be

interesting. You got Lindsay to raise her eyebrows. I mean, it would be weird if I said I did hang out. out with kids that age. I agree. I'm just always waiting for what you're going to say that. Me too, Lindsay. Me too. It's going to be not E.J.'s notebook anymore. It's going to be E.J.'s grade book. I'm going to be an easier grader.

Yeah, of course you are. Push over millennial. Sounds about right. All right. That'll do it for this episode of the P.H.O. My Eagles podcast back tomorrow. Two o'clock. No, we have some super chats. Musa. Shout to Musa. Unnamed sources at NovaCare.

Gonna have a rough week after last night. What's good? I like that. Shouts out to Musa. Yeah, we met. Did you meet Musa? I think I did meet Musa. Yeah, I met Musa at the meet up.

Yeah, that was fun. For the other podcast. That was fun. What a nice little corner. Pokemon and stuff going on. Jason with a Jay. Nakes to fancy the OC tomorrow. I think that was in response to you saying no one's saying that.

Okay. Well, somebody has said it. Shout out to Jason. And Real Prince Blue says, what happened to quarterbackie? Processing, question mark. That's probably in Rift. to Tanner McKee. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, I don't think it had a very good game. He didn't. But I don't think it was... Honestly, the pocket stuff is what bothered me the most. And I think it's what's going to bother a lot of teams that are going to be on the market for a record. I don't remember him playing like that in either of his two regular season games where he was constantly fleeing.

He's obviously not the athlete to do that. Yeah. I mean, it just, I think it's more of a reflection of the protection he had. Yeah. Anyway, good stuff. Tomorrow we'll get a little bit more into the weeds on this matchup. And on Wednesday, Thursday, we've got the real upper level, graduate level discussion. Stay tuned on P.H.O.I. I got the P.H.O.A. Flyer show coming up at 4 o'clock.

And then the Sixers play tonight at 8. Check out our friends. We will see you tomorrow or we will see you on another time. As always, we love you. Thank you.