PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Should Howie Roseman try to trade draft picks for Myles Garrett or continue 1st-round hot streak?

Episode Date: February 21, 2025

The questions from viewers include what the price would be for Cleveland Browns star pass rusher Myles Garrett, what the Eagles’ biggest needs are in the NFL Draft, whether they should try to Kenny Pickett or Tanner McKee, if Ole Miss defensive tackle Walter Nolen can be a Milton Williams replacement — and so much more. Zach Berman and Fran Duffy take all your questions. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Good afternoon and welcome to a Friday edition of the P HLY Eagle Show. I'm Zach Berman. That's Fran Duffy. Julia Hoff is producing. We are remote today because Fran Duffy, the top draft analyst in the business, the hardest working person at all city, is prepping for the combine. The next time you see Fran, he will be in Indianapolis. And so we will celebrate the pending departure to Indianapolis with a mailbag episode, something you and I, Joy and Bo Wolf, who's not on today, it's not his favorite kind of show. So Fran, I need to add. I would say, how are you? But I'm actually more curious. You've been grinding film, become a diehard so you can read Fran's draft guide.

Are you at the point now where when you sleep, you see Georgia versus Kentucky in your dreams? Well, those dreams started in like December, Zach. Now it's more, I'm like, I'm dreaming of, okay, what is in the database? what do I need to, what do I need to adjust? Those are the things now where I'm losing sleepover. But no, it's, we're getting into the thick of it. And now it's fun because all 32 fan bases are officially in draft season. So that's one of the reasons why I love the combine.

Yeah, next week, this will go into higher gear. Fran and I will be there. Fran will be there mostly for the draft at whole. I'll be there mostly for the Eagles component of it, right? But we will be doing shows from out there. We will have all your information. And the good thing is when we submitted questions for this mailbag, a lot of draft questions in there. So this is a good primer for what's to come.

Make sure, though, you also check out the draft show with Fran, with Bo that is up now on YouTube. And we submitted questions, or I should say we asked for questions. And the questions you submitted were awesome. I need to say, Bo, I'm sorry to tell you. There were so many questions, so many good ones on a range of topics. We have different categories here. We have draft category. We have offseason category.

We have some fun. But the place to start here is with Miles Garrett because the most questions we received were about Miles Garrett. And that shows that this is a topic that is on the minds of Eagles fans. And this also ties into the draft too. So the way we'll start this is and this one is from Sam with the, With the Miles Garrett to the Eagles buzz, especially with the huge cap spike, wouldn't it be the complete wrong decision, the trade valuable picks for him with this current hot streak of hitting developing players on cost-controlled rookie deals? In addition, Peckness Migrate, the Line Trade Edition, Miles Garrett, Max Crosby, and Sam Hubbard. And then from Johnny Tremaine, what would you offer in a potential trade for Miles Garrett?

But let's start with the first one, because this is really the big question here, is that. at Miles Garrett, obviously one of the great players in the NFL, perhaps the best defensive player, but the cost will be a first round plus. Let's even disregard the contract. Let's look this from a compensation perspective. The cost will be first round plus. The Eagles are, as the question noted,

on a role here with first round picks. When you look at Quinnion Mitchell, when you look at Nolan Smith, when you look at Jalen Carter. And so you're looking at the number 32 pick, potentially a first round pick next year. I'll open the floor to you. What do you think of a Miles Garrett?

trade. I mean, I personally would love a Miles guy trade. The thing that makes it difficult, if you're the Eagles, if you're the Cleveland Browns, you know, it's when you're talking about a trade in season or even in the office and looking ahead to next year, trading first round picks, like there's a, obviously there's a value to that. There's a cash a to that. When you're talking about trading picks for this draft and you have a number attached to it. And in theory, you have now like names that we can attach to that. Right. So, you know, the Eagles holding the 32nd pick, or Cleveland Browns, if you're talking about, okay, yeah, it's a first round pick, but, you know, is, you know, insert edge rusher from the 30 with the 32nd pick, is what else do

I need other than that player in order to make us right to make us whole, you know, on this deal? Is another first round pick enough? Probably not, probably even a little bit more than that. And so I do think it makes, making a deal for Miles Garrett a little bit more on the unrealistic side of the ledger here for Eagles just because and also too, I think if you're Cleveland, honestly, you're probably looking more picks down the road, you know, in 2026, 2027 even as they continue their hunt for a quarterback. And so I would love, I mean, look, Miles Garrett has not lost any steam. Obviously, the Eagles played them in week five. So a while ago where I did my deep dive on the Browns,

but, you know, just watching crossover tape against, you know, Pittsburgh and Baltimore as the season progressed, you know, Miles Garrett is the best edge rusher in football. So being able to add him to what the Eagles have is surely alluring but i think it's you have to worry about how realistic it is i think you might be muted zach think you're muted all right as i was tilting my camera the microphone adjustment the um the the mic change before i give my um take on miles garrett i'm curious this it's obvious that whoever you draft at number 32 is not comparable to to Miles Garrett. That's a feudal discussion here, right? But you obviously look at the player on a cost control contract plus how you would allocate $30 million. Who would be the realistic options

at 32? So what would, and let's look at this purely from an edge rusher perspective. Let's let's say the Eagles were addressing edge rusher at 32 to join J.OX Hunt and Nolan Smith, potentially Bryce Huff. Who are the options there? And, Is it a player who would be a contributing player in 2025? Yeah, definitely is someone that would contribute into this rotation for certain. I mean, especially if you factor in the fact that, you know, Jaylux Hunt, like, are you counting on him as a starter to replace Jop's wet in year two? I think you're probably looking at him more to still be a platoon player.

What is Bryce Huff's role? Is Brandon Graham back? So I would imagine that if you're going to bring in another edge rush or whether that's through free agency or whether that's through the draft, that's going to need to be, you know, someone that can come in and play major snaps. And so I think if you're talking 30th and overall, some of the names that just come off the top of my head, I would say JT. Tuimolo,

from Ohio State, Landon Jackson from Arkansas, Nick Scorton from Texas A&M. Really, I mean, look, that's one of the things about the combine is that that's going to kind of sort out this pecking order because you have a huge glut of round one edge rushers. People are kind of all over the place on. You know, is Michael Williams.

He's probably going to go high. Shamar Stewart from Texas A&M. He's probably going to go high. After that, There's that big group of players where you're not sure. Are they going to go 15? Are they going to go 32 or are they going to go 41 overall? Right? It's going to be really interesting to see how the pecking order goes there with those players.

But that's one of the beauties of the combine is being able to sort through all of that in real time. It does seem 20 to 40 is a range when there will be a number of edge rushers that go off the board. My view on Miles Garrett, similar to you, look, he's an elite player. And I think it's worth trading first round. picks for elite players and the Eagles believe the same. They did it for Jason Peters. They did it for AJ Brown. So this isn't something that they are immune or that they're against.

They've done it. They've seen it. Miles Garrett's a different situation from an age profile. And this is something I'm going to explore about in the combine this week to see if there's certain parameters the Eagles have there. Miles Garrett will be in his age 29 season this year. His birthday is late December. He turns 30 in December.

that's an older player than what AJ Brown was. That's an older player than what Jason Peters was. You look at the historical precedent of some first-round trades. Like Khalil Mack, he was traded for two ones, right? He was two years younger at the time or three years younger at the time. The Eagles were interested in Jalen Ramsey. They offered a first-round pick for Jalen Ramsey. He was like 24, 25 years old at the time.

Odell Beckup traded for a first-draft pick. He was younger. So it's a little different when you're looking at it. an age 29 player. I also wouldn't give up a first round pick next year. I'm always worried about trading the future first because you don't know where that, you know, you can say it's going to be at the bottom of the draft. Jalen Hertz gets here.

You know, we've seen that year after the Super Bowl not go well at times for the Eagles, right? So I would be more interested in if it's 32 this year, let's say a second next year, okay, I don't know what else would be in there because you're looking at a first plus, yeah, I'm talking. If it's a first this year and a first next year, I'd be a little more resistant to that because of the age profile and because of the money that's required. The other part too, though, is that you're also looking at what that contract would be. But also, look, Miles Garrett has a say here too.

He can limit the market. He could say, I want to play in Philadelphia. I don't want to sign an extension somewhere else. and that would obviously drive down the price. So there's a few factors there. But I did want to get your take on the other parts of this question. Real quick, peck nest migrate, Miles Garrett, Max Crosby, Sam Hubbard. I would, you would nest Miles Garrett.

I think you're pecking, yeah, you're pecking from the Raiders, Max Crosby, and then you are migrating, Sam Hubbard. I think that to me, like we're talking multiple, multitudes between Hubbard and the rest and those other two. So I think at the end of the day, that's an easy one for me. So, all right. So good Miles Garrett conversation there.

I would do the same thing. I think Sam Hubbard's little, you know, you look at the advanced numbers this year was not particularly productive. So I would nest Garrett. I would Peck Crosby. I would migrate Hubbard. Let's move on to the draft questions, because look, Combines next week.

We're in draft season. Joy, we're going to jump to the second one here because I want to do a player-specific one first before we do a theoretical one. And this is one that's right in Fran's wheelhouse. How likely is it that a guy like Walter Nolan falls to the Eagles? Probably my Ole Miss bias, but that feels like a dream scenario,

especially if Milton Williams does not come back. Also, your favorite deli decides to name a sandwich after you and allows you to build it. What is it? This is from Holf lax 24. I hope I pronounce that correctly. My pronunciations have been a point of discussion on this show. So let's start with Walter Nolan here.

What do you think? Yeah, I think Walter Nolan is the top 20, top 25 talent in this draft. You know, I felt that the first time I watched him back in the fall, you know, a player that I watched, honestly, while studying here that I wrote down while studying him was Jalen Carter in terms of just like the flashes you saw, the, the explosiveness. the power, the ability to win in multitude of ways. You know, he went down to the senior bowl and really flashed down there. So, look, if he fell to 32, you never say never, because, you know, I had Nolan Smith as a top

player in the 2023 class, and he fell to the Eagles at the end of the first round. And so that was certainly unexpected. I think at the end of the day, though, especially in this class, I would find it hard to believe that Walter Nolan would fall that far. That said, I mean, look, you're seeing it happen in a lot of mock drafts. It's still a little bit early, but my guess is that Nolan probably is not on the board for the Eagles. If I can ask you this because I think a lot of these questions stem from people looking at mock drafts using mock draft simulators, right? What's your sense of like how accurate the range of outcomes are at this point?

You know, I have a first round mock draft coming out or I'm sorry, a three round mock draft. You know, the Eagles three round mock draft coming out on Monday. and I'm doing that same exercise that the fans are doing. You're looking, you don't want to be unrealistic. You're kind of looking at the range for certain players. How realistic do you find the ranges this time of year? Yeah, I think it depends on the source, certainly. You know, because I track drafts and just get a sense of, okay, who are we talking about

and what range, what players being connected to which teams, that kind of thing. You know, obviously some analysts are better at that than others. And I think when, you know, you look at, you know, the long-term success in terms of who is pretty good at being able to get a roundabout range of where these players are. I think that there is some value to that. But that said, like if I'm just reading like, you know, I don't want to throw anyone in a bus. I'm not just reading like any mock draft that comes across my timeline and carrying that weight.

But I think when you look at, you know, the Daniel Jeremiah's, the milk hyper's, certainly the Dane Brueglars, right? we start going through, you know, the biggest analysts there, you know, I, there were carry weight. And it's, you know, we know if you, to me, like, I take this with not just with mock drafts, but when it comes to like all news, right, like news, reports, like all that stuff. If you trust the, if you trust the analyst, if you trust the insider, you trust the reporter, then you trust their sources in terms of what they're saying when it comes to where players

are likely to go in the draft as we sit here today. Obviously, there's, you know, as more information comes to light, that stuff can change. I do think there's value in getting into where different analysts project guys in mock drafts. And you view Walter Nolan as the clear number two defense attack on this draft. Is that correct? Yeah, as we sit here now, I think so. I think when you look at the way that he is able to disrupt both the past game and the run game, and just went into multiple ways, he is behind Mason Graham DT2 in this class.

And honestly, I don't think that the separation is large between those two either. I do think cramped ahead as I sit here right now, but I don't think that it's this huge catam between the two. Yeah, yeah. I mean, he's a former top recruit, you know, transfer to Ole Miss, right? And then you just consider the Jalen Carter Comp. As you said, that would be an ideal scenario for the Eagles. The second part of that question is your favorite deli decides to name a sandwich after you.

So the Fran Duffy special and allows you to build it. What is that sandwich? So if I'm going like a cold like a deli sound like cold cuts, you know, I would say like some like an Italian hoagy. So we're talking, you know, all of your classic Italian meat is probably a little bit spicy. So they're throwing some, you know, some heat on there. But then if you're like, see like I'm more of like a hot sandwich person, like you know, like toasted and get it in the oven.

Like I love it like any kind of chicken bacon ranch combo. That's something that you usually can get me going. So I would say those would be the other two go-toes. I got that this is a bit of a flex, but um, there was a sandwich named after you. There was a sandwich named after me back in, um, in 2013, uh, 2014. There was a place called Jake sandwich board. Shout out the Jake sandwich board. It's not there anymore, but it was a good spot on it was like, uh, I think it was

11th in Sansom or thereabouts. Okay. And, um, it was. was I would go in there and I didn't know if I wanted the cheese steak, the chicken cheese steak, or the roast pork. Okay? And so then I said to that, you know, I said to them, what if you had a sandwich that combined the cheesecake, the chicken cheese steak, and the roast pork?

And so I have this picture on my phone. I can even share it. The ZB Special is, that's what it was called ZB Special and it was cheese steak, chicken cheese steak, roast pork. all in one with fried onions. It was awesome. Yeah, here you go. Jake, I'm sorry, Jack said,

I used to work at Jake's 12th and Sansom, legendary 50-50. What's up, Jack? 12th and Sansom. Yep, great spot. And that was a good sandwich. I enjoyed that. I see Jake's, what's that? How often would you eat a sandwich?

So how often would I eat? eat that sandwich was yeah well that one was a special in September that they I think they kept for a little bit thereafter but um I would probably go there twice a month I used to walk to the Inquirer building on Nathan market I lived on at that time 15th and locust uh and so I used to uh I used to pass by there and I was friends with the owner um and yeah I mean I enjoyed I enjoyed my cheese right I mean I wasn't married at the time I don't know if I'd be allowed to do that now but but that that sandwich was awesome and they it was actually in the sleep schedule I'd be worried about your heart health long term yeah me too me too that's why that's why I stopped doing that

but that was yeah that was a good sandwich all right let's let's let's roll actually to the third question on here okay which is the third draft question this is from Jammie J-M-I J-A-M-I, of the draft positions that the Eagles will focus on this year, which one do you think could possibly have the biggest impact right away depending on the person drafted? It's a good question. Obviously, look, a lot of it depends on how free agency goes and what the Eagles decided to do in the pro-mart.

But it's got to be one of the defensive linemen, right? Unless they draft a linebacker high that would compete with who is next to Zach Bond if they bring Zach Bond back, you know but i think if you're looking at let's say the eagles lose both josh sweat and milton williams we we both liked what we saw from mora ojima we both like what we saw from jelix hunt but if you draft a first round defensive lineman or a first round outside linebacker you would expect that that person would probably get reps ahead of either you know and would be accounted on to be an impact player and a key part of the rotation and so um you know in terms of like who could make the

the fastest impact i think it would be someone in either of those spots as opposed to if it's a first round offensive lineman. Yeah, I agree with you. I think if they draft the first round offensive lineman, my guess is that's a wait-and-see position, or that's kind of develop him. If there's an injury, he steps in. But I think defensive lineman or edge rusher

would be someone who would play right away. I also see in the chat tight end, I don't think the Eagles take a first round tight end, but this is a good tight-end draft class, second round, third round. and I can see that that tight end, depending on what happens with Dow Scott or even not, becoming the number two tight end. But I can see that guy playing right away. So before we get to the next draft question, we're going to take a minute here and hear from our sponsors.

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it Zach can you pronounce salmon I can pronounce salmon. There was a Discord channel that thought I would say Salmon because of my mispronunciations of words. But no, I know how to say salmon. I am working on Patula in a way that does not make the discord frustrated. For the record, I thought you said Kevin's name just fine. I don't think you need to adjust. I screenshoted that message. That is, there's motivation. there, Joan and I can commissary. I also, I texted Julia. I don't know if she got it or not, but I found the picture while you're doing the chat,

or I'm sorry, the ad of the ZB sandwich from 2013. So Julia can put that on the screen just as confirmation that I'm not making this up, and I got this sandwich correct. I'm going to read this to you, okay? Chicken, pulled pork, rib-eyed steak, serratia, spread top of fried onions and provolone man how about that and the the milkshake special that month was the pennsylvania dutch birch beer milkshake uh so we we know you love that yeah i tell you one of my one of my favorites one of my favorite sandwiches and i don't think this place is open

anymore we used to be at like when i was a temple it was at um like second in gerard i believe third in gerard it was pizano's and they had oh yes they had a yeah they had they had the sandwich where it was a brisket, like an, I think it was like an Asiago sandwich or Asiago cheese and like pepper and chinis. It was just remarkable sandwich. As you were talking about it, that got me thinking of the Paizano. Yeah, agree with you there. I just love Paizanos. Let's roll down, Julia, to the, I'm sorry, excuse me, I'm sorry to be jumping around to the fifth draft question. And this is from DeTosti. Do the Eagles value the fifth? your option availability of a first round pick more than the average NFL team.

And how big of a draft grade drop off does it take for them to keep the 32nd pick as opposed to trading down for more picks? So just to kind of set the scene here, the last time the Eagles had the 32nd pick, they traded out of the first round. They traded down to into the second round. They drafted Dallas Goddard in the second round. When they were on the board at 31 a few years ago, they planned on trading out. Then Nolan Smith fell.

typically teams don't have 32 draft or i'm sorry 32 first round grades presumably the eagles won't have 32 first round grades this year so it's unlikely that at 32 they'll be drafting a player that has a first round grade so i'll open the floor to you is the fifth year option that important do you see the eagles trading back this year yeah i mean it definitely can be important and it's it's more important at certain positions than others because you start getting into like uh you know the the franchise tag value for certain positions and our Are you likely, you know, if you're the Eagles, you typically like to get deals done with guys you want to keep early as opposed to waiting it out and getting into that situation. But I think at the end of the day, like you'd rather have that possibility not, but you still have to weigh like, okay, what value can you get in return?

You know, you're talking about, you know, trading back into the second round and getting future two or getting a three in this draft. And, you know, just adding to the, to your reserves there from a pick standpoint, I think that that might outweigh flexibility. on one contract with one player four years from now. You know, and so you're constantly fighting those battles in terms of, you know, trying to find an edge where you can. But I think that at the end of the day, you probably are, you're just going to take that value if it's there. I'm going to combine my answer, actually, with this next question.

And that's the one right before this, Julia. I'm sorry to keep jumping around, Julia. Julia is doing great job producing because I'm reading these out of order. If Jeffrey Lurie is already talking about compensatory picks in 2020, Does that mean it's more likely how he will use the 2026 picks they have now to trade up in this year's draft? Under this scenario, the future compensatory picks can make up for any that are traded away. This is a good question, and I think this is relevant because I do think the Eagles, by draft day, they will have a sense of what their compics will be.

They'll know the players out. They'll know the players in. They will have internally an expectation of are they getting three picks next year, two picks next year. And I do think that they will be aggressive in trading from next year's inventory accordingly. Okay. Or it could be the type of thing, and I can defer to you on this, that they look at next year's draft is better than this year's draft. And they want more picks next year. So it could work both ways.

But the reason I bring this up is I think the Eagles are more likely to trade back this year than they are to trade up. I think there's a better chance that there's not much of a difference for them between pick 40 and pick 32 or pick 45 and pick 32 compared to the difference between pick 23 and pick 32. If they were in a situation where they would trade up, I think they'd be more apt to trade a pick next year expecting compensatory picks. I don't think they would be in a situation this year where they would be only where they would only have one pick in the top. 75, let's say, right? I don't think they would do that. I think they're more likely to trade back. But I do think they will use compensatory picks next year to inform them in how they do it.

But I am, look, it wouldn't surprise me if we do a six-hour draft show or whatever it is on the Thursday night of the draft and the Eagles don't make a pick. Because if I was putting my turkeys on it, I actually think the Eagles are more likely not to pick in the first round this year than picking the first round this year. yeah i think it's that's probably that's the prevailing sentiment i think when you're talking about the eagles right now but i do think you have to kind of obviously i'm not talking you this but you know just for for our audience like uh you have to let the round play out because it's just like the nolan smith's discussion from earlier the they didn't expect that niltsmith was going to be there at 31 right and so uh you know you don't necessarily always know who's going to be available to you you want to let the board play out uh and if you also need a partner as well you know we're

We're sitting here talking, and I could talk about how, look, this draft does not have a ton of talent up at the top. You know, so our people is that what's the trademark going to look like in the first round? All 32 teams see that as well. Now, I do think that that ambiguity could lead, you know, some being, you know, because it might be that it's a beauty is in the eye of the holder, right? Where maybe there's only six true, like, blue chip players, you know, I'm just a number. But you have a handful of true blue chip players. and then after that, if there's a huge chunk where everybody's all over the place, well, if Team A has, you know, this player as the seventh best player in the draft,

and Team B has him as the 23rd player in the draft, and he falls down, well, now that team that saw him as the seventh best player will make a move up to go get him, right? And so I think that you're going to get a little bit more of that than normal here this year just because of the ambiguity there, but it's going to be a fascinating night one of the draft for that reason. And the fifth year option is usually more appealing for a quarterback than any other position. Yes. When the Eagles traded back in 2018, it was because the Ravens traded up for Lamar Jackson. Is there a quarterback who you see as late first, early second grade, and therefore a team would try to trade up the 32 if he falls?

Yeah, I mean, there's been some talk like Jackson Dart is that guy. You know, I don't know if I, I don't know if I quite buy that, to be honest. You know, there's been, there's been talk about Jalen Milrose. as well. I think I can probably buy that a little bit more just because of his youth, his character, and his traits. I think that that's something that you can probably buy into a little

bit more so as opposed to Jackson Dart. But I would say that chances are that both of those guys are going to fall into the second day and not be first round picks, but maybe we get different words through the grapevine next week. Let's go to the second, the last draft question

here. I don't have who this is from, but this is, do you agree that linebacker's edge and detackles are the three are the eagles three biggest needs if so which position is how we most likely to address through free agency and which is most likely to address through the draft and i wanted to use this as a also as a way to talk about a player that is pretty polarizing in your eyes and that is jalen walker because jellon walker um i i bring him up as a part of this question is because he is potentially a linebacker in your board he's he's he's an off-all linebacker. Some teams view him as an edge rusher. He's seen as high as a top-10 pick.

There are mock drafts where he could be falling into the Eagles territory. So do you agree these are the Eagles three biggest needs? And also, how does Jim and Walker kind of fit into this question? Yeah, I think that, you know, as we sit here, knowing what the expiring contracts are, it's tough to argue with those being the not, with those not being the three biggest immediate needs for this team, right? We could argue about, you know, is, is offensive tackle for the future? You talk about tight end, possible replacement for Dallas Goddard, what is the right guard situation? But I think overall, you know, you probably have, you know, you feel pretty good about those for right now because Tyler Steen can plug in if Mackay Beckett and Leaves.

You still, you know, Dallas Goddard is still under contract. So I think when you look at it, detackle with Milton Williams impending departure, Josh Sweat, Brandon Graham, Bryce Huff questions at defensive end. And then with Zach Bonn, free agency and Nicoby Dean's injury, those would be the three biggest needs, I would say, going into the new league year. As far as Jalen Walker,

Zach, I think I've watched more snaps of Jalen Walker than any other player in this class based up just from the 2024 film. It's been a little bit of a roller coaster because I watched him for the first time in the like the middle of the season. And I want to say it was like October, maybe early November. And I watched

two or three games. And I knew what the the idea of him was, right? Like, it was, this guy that has played 50% off ball as a stack, true stack linebacker, 50% down in the line of scrimmage. And I, yeah, like, I think that he's a linebacker, but he's more of like a Sam linebacker. Honestly, like a little bit of a situational player. And talk of people, you know, with some friends about it around the industry, it then became, oh, look, look at him more as a pure edge rusher.

Don't worry about the linebacker stuff. Just watch him as a pure edge guy. So I watched him again and I'm like, okay, like, you know, I could see him maybe, you know, potentially maybe being a starter. But that was only like one extra game that I watched. And I said, all right, I'm just going to put him here for now, knowing that everybody was like raving about what he had done as a pass rusher. I said, I'll enable this. I'm going to come back to it once I have the full season's worth of film and I can come back to it and make a more, you know, educated opinion on it. So over the long day, I've watched, basically what I did was I watched every single snap against powerful.

four competition from this year down on the line of scrimmage. I watched a single one of his pressures. And I said, okay, let me just watch and see, like, how he got his pressures, but then also watch him just purely down the line of scrimmage. And I'm going to be honest, like, athletically, I don't see like a first step, like explosive, like demon off the ball. Like a guy's just going to win first step. Like he's not like a Michael Parsons, like, oh, he's half linebacker, half defensive end.

He could just win off the edge. He's not that first step quickness type of guy. He's not a technician, obviously, you know, only being a he was kind of a a jack of all master of none type of player and then from a like a from how he got home like in terms of how those pressures and so many of his pressures happened because they were he was unblocked you know maybe like they they put six guys in the line of scrimmage and they didn't block him off the edge or you know they they ran a cool stunt and he was able to come free or he's coming up from linebacker late and so then they just didn't pick him up

look he had some wins where he beat the left tackle or he beat the right tackle but to me not enough where I'm like, okay, yeah, I feel good about him as an edge rusher. So I am like, I have to keep him with my linebackers. So I moved him back to the linebacker board. And as I'm continuing to watch more, I'm like, all right, like, even watching him as a linebacker, I don't think that he like sees the game like at such a high rate that I'm like, oh, man, like, yeah, like I feel really good about him being a three down, like impact player playing from depth.

He's not a great athlete. And so to me, what I would say, it's more important for, you. Jalen Walker to test well next week than any other player in the draft. He needs a great testing regimen more than anybody else to kind of secure round one status. Because to me, like I see a guy that's going to test fine, like not special. And if you're an edge rusher, I don't think that at 200, you know, sub 250 that a fine workout is going to move the knee there. I think he's a very interesting debate. He's a very versatile player.

There's not saying that he's like a terrible player and you can't use them. but I can't buy top 20 talent, you know, with Jaylon Walker based off what I've seen from film. So I'll defer to you or the, excuse me, I'll defer to you on the evaluations. But, you know, I do this job too, and I'm looking at things from the Eagles perspective. And I really like Jalen Walker. I look at it like this might seem hyperbole like hyperbole, but a Zach Bond, Nolan Smith hybrid, right? in that he can do different things. I look at the production that he had.

Back it was November, he plays against Texas, number one team in the country. He's, I think, three sacks in the first half in that game. He's 20 years old, right? So from a body perspective, still developing. He's a one-year starter at Georgia. So from a skill perspective, still developing. I look at the way he played, the production that he had,

and I'm just really impressed by him. He is, I think he's a guy who's going to be better three years from now than this year. And yeah, he's, I see in the chat. Of course, Z.B. loves the positionless player. Yeah, because I see tools that can be developed. And something that jumps out to me in the draft is like, is what rare tools do you have, right? Do you trust your coaching? Do you trust your player development team?

can you develop those tools and I believe John Walker is that type of player. Yeah, that's what I do want to see like if if he tests great, then I'll say like, okay, there are the rare tools. I question whether or not his tools are rare. I guess that's where I get hung up. Like what I ended up writing is my comp forum is Leo Chanel, who is a really, he's a really good player,

a key part of that Chief's defense, like a very useful player in that defense for Steve Spagnolo, but not a guy where I'm, I'm like, oh, yeah, like, you're drafting him in the top 20. You know, I did that that's where I get hung up with Jalen Walker. I'm very open to being wrong on it, but I'm fascinated to see how he tests next week. For sure. And the second part of this question, I'll just hit on this quickly. I don't think Howe is going into the draft trying to plug holes here.

I frankly don't think how he's going into free agency trying to plug holes. I think the Eagles really like their depth. Now, if they lose Zach Bond, then linebackers are spot that they clearly need to plug. But I think when you look at some of the other spots where they, let's say they lose Mackay Beckett, I think they like Tyler Steen and they can have Tyler Steen compete with someone else. If they lose Milton Williams, they like Moro Ojima. They can have more Ojima compete with somebody else. Edge Rush is a spot where I do think they're going to look at someone to contribute right away.

But if they lose Darius Slay, I think they like the guys that they have. I think the Eagles really like the depth on this team. I don't think they're going to free agency saying that they need to address position X, position Y, position Z. Now, look, if Dallas Goddard goes elsewhere, that is, that's part of the question here. But I think that the Eagles really like their depth. We're going to hear from our sponsors before we get to one final draft question and then we'll move on. So let me pull this up here. I want to tell everybody about ACE Home Hardware Services, Ace Hardware Home Services. Because look, I'm at home right now. And for, Unfortunately, my heat works. If my heat didn't work, the first call I would have is the ACE hardware home services. If I had a faucet that was leaking, I'm not the person to do it. But I know the person who can fix it that is at ACE hardware home services.

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Before we get to Winston Gordon's question, we have a quick super chat here. This is from our friend Chase Daniel Plainview, who loves to support us. We appreciate it, Chase. Hey, Brats, what are your favorite Charlie XX songs? I hope that did not get me in trouble saying that. Do you have your favorite Charlie XX song? Yeah, I got nothing there for CDP.

Chase, I was hoping. I was hoping you'd have an answer there. I appreciate the contribution. Unless Charlie XX plays for Georgia and Notre Dame, I got nothing to tell you right now. Thank you, though, for your contribution here. This is a question here from Winston Gordon that I was excited to ask you. And I've been a big friend Duffy fan for the past decade. But I also recognize that where you worked before,

there were certain things you couldn't necessarily get into, right? And so I'm curious, this is from Winston Gordon. What are the three most common indicators as a player, or I'm sorry, the most common indicators of player is an Eagles target. I want to say it's good RAS, which for the uninitiated is relative athletic score and top 30 visit, but please correct me. So without giving, you know, I respect that there's only so much you can get into, but what indicators should fans look at and say the Eagles actually do like this player? Well, it's complicated with the Eagles because, you know, let me take you one step back. So, Zach, one thing that I've done for the last several years is I kind of keep a, I keep notes on all 32 teams.

in terms of and their decision makers in terms of draft strategy, the types of players that they bring in on the draft, and not just in first round, but all throughout, you know, day one, day two, day three. And you kind of build a,

what a profile of a typical prospect might look like. Some of the things that, some of the lines they might not be able to, they might not be willing to cross. Some things that trend, trend more towards the idea of this team, you know, Chris Ballard,

they love drafting athletic physical specimens, right? If a guy has a low RAS score, he's not going to Indianapolis where I'm pretty sure, like everyone that they've drafted, especially in the first three rounds, have like had an RAS of over nine, you know, and the perfect score is a tens. I think when you're looking at certain teams and certain decision makers, it's easier to find those trends.

Now, Howie Roseman has obviously, he's been in Philadelphia for a long time. He's worked with a handful of different coaching staffs. And I think that Howie and honestly, the best general managers do this, you kind of, you want to change based on your coach. You want to work hand in hand with your coaches.

And that might affect the, types of players that you bring in. And so there might be some through lines here and there. You know, as, as you mentioned, the senior bowl is certainly one. I mean, the Eagles have attacked the senior ball, especially in early rounds. You know, just the round, but second round, third round, one of the higher rates in football. So that's certainly one area. We say, okay, like, if a guy went to Mobile and he's going to be an early round pick, that's someone that you can keep an eye on, certainly for the Eagles. But depending on the coaching staff here in Philadelphia, you sometimes if they bring them in for a 30 visit that's a tell sign sometimes if they don't bring them in on a 30 visit that's that that's not as much of an indicator right and so um you know some teams are better than others at that i do think that when you look at uh the coaching staff though and say like okay what what's important to the head coach that's important and i think when you look at you know nick syriani and uh he always he always preaches like the dog mentality aspect of things right and uh you know we can laugh at that but i think when you look at the players that they've bought in a lot of those guys

that like represent that right like you know have that kind of mentality uh whether it's on the field off the field they they bring that same level of competitiveness of juice physicality and violence say you know on the field you know rep after rep after rep and so uh i think when you're looking at that that is something or i say if a guy doesn't have that type of play personality you're probably not drafting him you know in the first couple rounds if you're the eagles and so i i would say like if you start checking a lot of these boxes uh that that's when you start to say like okay this guy makes sense as an eagle eagles fit. Although I will say doing this for all 32 teams, doing this over the last several years,

you can have all that. Sometimes you can never say never. And so the teams will always buck a trend. It's a trend until it's not with all of these things. That's a good point. That actually, the first question, Joey, you don't need to put this on the screen. I will read this. This is the first draft question, but this ties in what you just said.

So it's a good follow-up. With draft season upon us, this is from James Rohan. With draft season upon us, how much credit does Nick Siriani deserve for the Eagles success in the draft since it became the coach? Howie obviously makes all the final decisions, but looking at the hits, they've had along with Nick's emphasis on football character. Is he a part of that drafting success? And I thought this was interesting. We didn't get to it because it's more theoretical as opposed to like you preparing for the draft here. But now that you brought it up, I think it's worth noting.

Howie is in charge of the draft. This is, you know, to use the Eagles fans expression, Howie season. right and nick isn't like uh you know a rigid about x y and z but the thing that nick does talk about is football character so what's what's what's your perspective on on this question in particular yeah i think that you you certainly give him credit right i think when you're looking at uh you know because the the big thing when you have a head coach of the coach staff you have to crystallize to your scouting staff to your general manager to the decision maker uh this is what we want. And the better that you can outline that, then the easier it is for the general

manager and for the scouting staff to go in and find those players and pinpoint those players. And so, you know, one of the strengths, in my opinion of Howie Roseman in the way that he goes about the draft process is that he is taking all of this information, not just from the coaches, but in getting their opinion on some of those coaches, they carry a lot of weight in the evaluation process. But also it's the, you know, the opinions of everybody that comes in contact. with the players over the course of the process take all of that information in and then you're making the best the best decision on you know and sometimes that means putting your own into the side your own evaluation to the side and say hey you know what like uh maybe i don't you know see this player that

way but the consensus does you know the the coaching staff they're the ones that are going to be using this player they have they have conviction here i want to make sure that i put them in position to uh to you know to work with the players they want to work with so uh you know to me i think that's one of the strengths of how he was rosam's process there are so many good questions here i'm sorry we're not getting the all of them uh we'll hit a few more here in these next 12 minutes uh let's jump to off season questions the third one now julia and this is do any of the rookies drafted fourth round or later make a leap and become significant contributors next year so you're looking at will shippley you're looking at jeremiah trotter junior you're looking at uh aniah smith Trevor kegan johnny wilson anyone here jump out to you as

a player who could be a contributor for the Eagles next season? I would say the one with the best possibility is probably Jeremiah Trotter Jr. Just because of the Nacobi Dean injury, you know, I think that he's got the path to someone that can come in and it depends on, you know, how they feel about it. My guess is is that, all right, you bring Zach Bond back. If they bring Zach Bond back, that opens up one spot there with the Kobe Dean's injury. And, you know, we'll see exactly what that recovery looks like from a timeline standpoint. But bring back on Berks, let's say, in a one-year deal to potentially fill in until

Nikobe gets there. And then who competes with him for that starting. Is Jeremiah Trotter Jr. given a shot to Pete for that job? The other guys, I just don't know that there's an easy path right now, you know, especially, you know, if Kenny Gainwell's brought back is, will still the RB3, you know, or does he become the RB2 and Gainwell's out the door? I guess that would be the other answer, right? Yeah, I would agree there.

I think Shippley would, yeah, Trotter Jr. and Shipley, certainly with Nicopi Dean's injury, Trotter Jr. could have a pathway in early playing time if the Eagles bring back Baud and they don't bring back Org Burks. And let's say they have, yeah, let's say Nicopi's slow getting back. Jeremiah, Trotter Jr. would be the potential starter early in the season. The first offseason question here, in terms of trading a QB this offseason, would you simply take the better offer, multiple offers were made for Pickett and McKee? Or would the McKee offer have to be significantly more than the picket offer? I think it would have to be the second.

I think, though, the offer for McKee would have to be better than the picket offer. Just, you know, from a contract standpoint, from a youth standpoint, from a play standpoint. I think McKee is the better player right now and he's younger and he's got more left on his deal. So I think that would have to be the answer. How is this quarterback to ref class? Because that would factor into this. obviously if you're going after picket, it's probably as a bridge quarterback. You're probably thinking similarly to what Justin Fields was last year where maybe he's

competing with a veteran or he's kind of filling that spot while a team, you know, draft said develops a quarterback. And if he plays well, good for him. You know, probably similar to what Sam Darnold was for the Vikings. They drafted J.J. McCarthy. And, you know, Sam Darnold turned out to be really good. If you're training for McKee, my guess is you're viewing him as a potential starter for you, right? So the quarterback track class factors into it.

What's your read of the quarterback track class? Great. You know, I think when you look at overall, you know, the talent at the top, certainly not what it was a year ago. I think when you look at the middle part of this draft, you just go back to last year where you had, what was it, five go, six go in the first round. Six went in the first round and then another one didn't go until the fifth. I don't think that there will be that deep gap this year. I think that there are probably, there are going to be a couple of guys that go on day two.

We talked about Monroe and Jackson Dark. I think Tyler is a player from Louisville that's going to go relatively early in this draft. And so I think there's probably more of a class this year. And that might fit what you're talking about in terms of like a potential starter, bridge type of quarterback. A guy they might give a shot to win some snaps. But I think overall it's not a great group on the whole. Let's go to Madonna's questions.

These are three questions. I don't think this is the real Madonna. There are three questions here. The first one is outside of the most obvious needs of detackle edge and eventual late Johnson replacement, assuming bond returns. Is there a position or player type you can see the front office surprising us with in terms of asset allocation? Not to the same extent, but similarly to last year's Sequod spending.

How about would it shock you if like the best player available was an outside corner and decided that, okay, you know, we want to keep Cooper Dugine inside, Darius Lay, is he back or is he not? You know, Isaiah Rogers is the back or is he not? And Kili Ringo, maybe we just like him as a, as the fourth corner. You know, maybe he's there, the development hasn't been there. Not to say that it hasn't been. Maybe there are people in the building that feel that way. You know, and so that that could be a surprise, you know, I'm trying to think on anything else there. I'm looking at the rest of my list. Yeah, you know, the position that that I think would surprise, yeah, safety is, is to what I was going to say, whether it's in free agency or in the draft.

Look, they have Cindy Brown who they're, they still have to figure out, right? Rick Blanketship is, he's been a good starter for that. I don't know if they view him as the long-term option there. C.J. Gardner Johnson was really productive. He's not side beyond, you know, this year, right? Like, like, I think he might have, well, I think in terms of where the guaranteed buddy is, there's, there's, there's a strong guarantee beyond 2025. So you look at that and we saw Daniel Jeremiah who used to work for the Eagles. Yeah.

He had Malachi Stark going to the Eagles in the first round. That was probably based more on value than it was based on like position. How do you like? I like, look, I mean, I have a type. The Georgia defense is my type. I will admit that. Height weight speed, right? And what Stark's to me, you know, he's been a playmaker for them.

And he's someone he started as a true freshman. And I've said this in the past. When you start as a true freshman on Kirby Smart's defense, like to me, that says a lot about your football character, like your toughness, your intelligence. Like Kirby Smart's not, I'm sorry, Kirby Smart is not just putting you out there because you're a five-star guy. Everybody smart's putting you out there because you're better than the other five-star guys on his team. So now Kai Starks has started since day one there.

He's someone who I really like. But I can see safety just because I still think they like Sidney Brown. I just don't know if Sidney Brown is, you know, if they could say this guy's a definite long-term starter for us. Yeah, I think that's fair. That would be the other position I would look at is it could be a surprise. It's just it depends how do Sidney Brown long term. The second part of this was ready to franchise right now, Zach Berber. We're enjoying it.

Thank you very much, Madonna. I appreciate that. The third part, though, this is more important here. Two months out, Fran Duffy, is there a specific player in this draft you really love to see in Midnight Green? I've got an off the ball or off the wall or rather answer for you. Yeah, someone we talked about, Beau and I talked about them on the P. The P. Y.

show this week. We were previewing next week's combine and like player, basically the, the buckets that we were talking about with certain players where players I expect to do well, players who it's going to be most important for next week, and then also who are some Eagle specific fits.

I want to go tight end. I expect to be an early day three selection. Jackson Hawes from Georgia Tech. And the reason why is that this guy is a stellar, stellar blocker. And I think if you're going to, if you're the eagle, and if you're going to say, okay, we're going to be a run first operation.

You know, we're not worried. I don't put Grant Calcutera and C.J. Usama. And if Dallas Goddard is still here, like, and he gets dinged up, you know, you're going to be counting on those guys to win at the point of attack. Give me a guy who's got athletic traits, which Hawes does. The production wasn't always there. He's only a one-year player at Georgia Tech was at Yale previously and still didn't put up big numbers of Yale.

He was just a dominant, dominant blocker. And again, he's not like a stiff athletically. A player like Jackson Hawes on day three, like that's music to my ears, watching this Eagles offense. All right. I don't love blocking the tight ends, but I will take your word for you.

I did once love Darnell Washington. So, you know, I'm kind of being hip-frey. Georgia. Yeah, there you go, I guess. I do have a type. But then again, so is Howard Roseman. All right? So, you know, if there's someone who I'm thinking alike,

and by the way, a week from Monday, I'm going to have my, it might be 17 steps this year, but last year was a 15-step guide to the Eagles offseason. If I were Hallie Roseman, it's a piece I've done the past four years or five years, something I really enjoy doing. So you can see that if you're diehard on all-PHLY.com. Three minutes left. I saw in the Discord people said, I was going to make this all football, not fun.

So we'll just do some quick hitters here on the non-football questions. First one here. So there's two from Claire. First one, ZB, Peck Nest migrate, the West Wing, the American president, And then the third one's Moneyball. I love every Aaron Sorkin, a TV show and movie, but I am definitely nesting the West Wing because you have all those seasons. I will peck the American president.

I will migrate Moneyball. I like the book more than I like the movie. Okay. But here's one for you from Claire. What are your top three college food cities that have both great student unions and good food? let's just talk about the good food because you don't have to go to the student union I'm going to be honest I haven't been to like well no I take that back the thing is so when I worked at temple the temple was in the Mac right and so it was a lot of my trips

a lot of my road trips were to the small college towns in the states of Ohio and Michigan so we're talking Kalamazoo Grand Rapids we're in in Michigan Ipsilani Michigan but then you get into and it's like in Green and Oxford. Now, now, of course, they're in the AAC and it's like, oh, they're going to Memphis and Tampa

and Houston and Dallas. But I'm going to be honest. I don't know if I've got a feel on this. I'd be interested to get your take because, obviously, when you covered Virginia, you had a better feel on some of the bigger name college towns. But what's your take there?

Yeah, before I tell you, I just want to thank everyone who's watching on Fest. And you can tune in into YouTube for the remainder of this show. You know what? This is what I'll say. I know the audience jokes that I think everything's a good food city. But when I went to these college campuses,

like you're hitting one spot, right? So you're hitting the staple. Okay. And so I always like going to Chapel Hill. Chapel Hill had a place called Spankies. And they had these brown sugar baby back ribs that I used to. Every time I went to Chapel Hill, I would knock that.

back. Do you prefer, is Carolina Barbecue, your favorite style of barbecue? You know, a quick question, I had more exposure to Carolina Barbecue than any other barbecue. That's the vinegar-based. I probably prefer Texas barbecue, honestly. But the older I got the less forgiving the barbecue was for me. But when I was in college, I had more North Carolina barbecue than I would care to admit. I would do about eight or nine trips a year to North Carolina to cover, you know, tobacco road games.

And I would go to every single barbecue spot you can imagine. So I, yeah, I like Chapel Hill more than I like Winston's Alam. Shout out to, I would say, Lincoln, Nebraska. I was in Lincoln, Nebraska a few times. Had some good meals there. And then I thought Tallahassee was an overrated. Food City, didn't like that. So, but my top three.

Is that a shot at, is that a, is that a shot at the, the person you've been playing who hosted you for, for the Eagles game? No, his food was good. His food was good. The main strip of Tallahassee. I didn't like that one as much. Good memory there. Love Charlottesville, love Blacksburg, had great meals in both those towns.

I know I'm not giving you a top three. If you can't find good food somewhere, then the problem is, view, it's not the city. Real quick here, what qualifies as finger food for you? What are the best and worst finger foods? Obviously, this is based off your sharkoutry hatred. Yes. You know, to me, you can't go wrong with any kind of like buffalo shrimp type of situation. I love a cheesecake egg roll. I mean, the classic at our house is, you know, any mozzarella stick, we're usually on board. There you go. And then last one here. This is from okay max legroom what is the most exotic food you are willing to eat that you haven't tried yet

i'm pretty i'm i would say that i'm fairly adventurous um yeah and so i think that uh me about why we're talking about food on the show so much um i could say that uh what's something i haven't tried though i don't i i think i've tried like most things that that that i know what my boundaries are like i'm not a big like raw like uh raw fish you know, guys. So like, I won't usually cross that line, but any other kind of like meats or anything,

I'm usually, I'm usually pretty adventurous. Yeah, I'm the same way. Yeah, wherever I am, you know, whatever the,

I try to kind of blend into the culture. So whatever they recommend, that's why I, I asked the waitress or the waiter, what do you recommend? And I've eaten all kinds of, you know, I think I had rabbit when I was down in New Orleans,

because that was, recommended to me, right? So, yeah. I think I said to you in New Orleans that the last time I had rabbit, I was in a restaurant with you or in Mobile, but you were sitting at a different table. I was sitting at a rabbit, rabbit dumplings. I wish I was at the table. You were sitting at, because what's that? Claire checked in and said, I've had shark. I've had macos. I've had for yams, colangelo. I've had frog. No, I like, I like, there's a couple people saying they don't, they don't I like frogs. I like, I like frogs. I've had much all that stuff. Real quick, we have a super chat here, or let's just knock off these super chats.

I know I told you, and I told you one hour. So we'll knock these off quickly. In a YouTube short, this is from Manifestable, RETC, Banffi, in a YouTube short video at Super Bowl, Bryceoff mentioned he's staying off his feet. Any reason why he'd say that was there an injury there? his injury was to his hand from when I understood. I know for a fact. Staying off his feet, I think probably just going to rest up this off season is my guess. Thank you for that contribution. Next one, same person.

Brett Cee, you're helping us out here, man. Would Jack Sawyer or Cody Simon be a good fit? This is an Ohio State fan. Yeah. You know, Cody Simon is an off-ball linebacker who, you know, had a really solid season, you know, for them. I think that he can't fit with what Big Fangio likes to do. Jack Sawyer, I'll be interested to see where he,

where he tests next week. I don't see a plus athlete when I watch Jack Sawyer. Lincoln in the run holds up well at the point of attack. Great, you know, great character off the field. So I think to me personally, he profiles as more of a backup,

more of a day player, but I'll be interested to see where he ends up going in the draft. And then final one here from Maddeo. South Carolina is a true Carolina barbecue with mustard, not vinegar. Thank you for that clarification. I like a South Carolina barbecue. Yeah, me too.

I spend a lot of time in Clemson. Always a good place to go. I think there's a restaurant called ESO that I used to go to. From Grace Min, before the wire here. Favorite cocktail for both ZB and Fran. Fran, your call first. Shrimp cocktail from St. Elmo's. From St. Elmo's not a steakhouse next week.

Good answer. My, look, I like an old-fashioned. So guilty is charged there. and then as a shout-out to the longtime listeners, or not even long-time listeners, to the six-month listeners, a Capriito from Brazil is a good cocktail. Sorry, we didn't get to all your questions.

I want to do this again. Sorry, we have another one. I got to read the chat, the super chats. Geoduck, this is from Maddeo. GeoDuc equals Best Clab, Only in Pacific Northwest. Thank you for that contribution. I appreciate these questions. We need to do this more often.

please tell Bo. If you tell him it's Fran Duffy's idea or Greg Rosenthal's idea. He's more apt to do it than if you tell him it's my idea. But we should do mailbags more often. This was fun. Before we wrap up, Fran, just give us 30 seconds, 60 seconds, whatever you would like on what's ahead for you for the next week. Because you won't be on the show as frequently, but you'll be all over the network. Yeah. So I'll be ahead. I head out to Indianapolis on Monday afternoon. I'll be out there from Monday until Monday. Monday. So workouts begin on Thursday from the dome at Lucas Oil Stadium. So Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, I'll be sending it's like seven hours each day, you know, in the bowl for the workouts. There'll be plenty of press conferences leading up. So all the head coaches, well, most head coaches and general managers around the NFL speak starting on Tuesday. So you'll get a lot of that coverage around the NFL Tuesday and Wednesday. The players themselves start to be, start to speak on Wednesday. And they go all the way up through Friday. And basically,

the cadence there is the players that work out the day before they work out they meet with the media and so on wednesday we'll be hearing from the positions that we talked about a lot today it'll be the front seven so defensive line and linebackers then it's the dbs on thursday because they work out friday offensive skill friday for saturday's workout and so uh and then the offensive line on saturday for sundays workout and so uh we'll be talking to lots of players talking to lots of coaches general managers scouts or league the entire NFL convenes on Indianapolis next week. You and I will be out there for PHLY, and it's going to be a long week, but a fun week. That's the best draft analyst in the business. Fran Duffy, you can find his work on all-PHLY.com,

and throughout the All-City Network. Thank you, Fran, for being with us today. Thank you, Julia, for your outstanding job producing. We will be back. There's the picture of the sandwich. I wasn't making it up. That is the ZB special from Jake Sandwich Board. I would say rest of peace.

because, but I didn't need it enough that I am still here. But that was a great sandwich. Bo and I will be back on Monday. I head to Indianapolis after the show. We will have all your coverage. Then, until then, Bo will say, as always, we love you. I will say we'll do better next time. Thanks for watching.