PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - STAY OR GO? What should Eagles do with Nakobe Dean, Jaelan Phillips entering free agency?

Episode Date: January 13, 2026

As Eagles players cleaned out their lockers at the end of the season, both Nakobe Dean and Jaelan Phillips spoke about becoming free agents this offseason. Bo Wulf and EJ Smith discuss whether the Eagles can afford to keep the pair, especially with Jordan Davis, Jalen Carter, and Moro Ojomo each eligible for contract extensions this summer as well. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

And welcome to the PHS show, live from the Xfinity Studio, presented by Bet 3.65, and Ashley. Bo Wolf, E.J. Smith, The Great Eagles, Insider, E.J., how are you today? I'm doing well. I cannot believe it's only Tuesday, like, that so much has happened in the last 48 hours. But, you know, it makes for good podcasting. I'm excited to get into some of this stuff. We have so much left over. Yeah, no. I'm still a lot to talk about. I'm excited for the offseason. Yeah? Yeah, I'm excited for like what's to come, you know?

I think there's going to be a lot of interest and intrigue around the team. And, yeah, we had so much stuff left over from yesterday. It's going to basically take us an entire week to unpack it. So, yeah, I'm excited for the show. All right. Well, let's get into it right now. And obviously a lot of big decisions need to be made for the Eagles with the coaching staff, but also a lot of big roster decisions coming up this off season. And let's start by talking about the list of pending free.

agents here, E.J. Let's do it with what's brewing presented by our friends at Wawa. Look at that. Great graphic there. I'm a big coffee guy. Let's take a look at who the Eagles have as pending free agents. Okay, so nice long list. Let's start. Lindsay,

do we have the offense or the defense first? Let's start with the defense. You've got the big guys. You've got Reed Blankenship. Jalen Phillips, Nekobie Dean, Adore Jackson. That's four starters on the defense. You've also got Marcus Epps, Josh Ushay, Brandon Graham, and by the way, BG Unblocked,

will be live this week Thursday at 11 o'clock, so join us for that. She figures to be a very interesting conversation with Brandon Graham. Aziz Ojalari, Ogbo Okaranko and Ben Van Sumeran, who is a restricted for agent. This is my fault. I think I put Ben Van Sumer in the defense. Yeah, get with the times. I mean, she'd put them in special teams. You just hate fullbacks, man.

I should know every player on the team and should have caught it. It's my fault. How about the offense? Of course, the big one is Dallas Goddard. And then you've also got Jahan Dotson, Fred Johnson, Grand Caceterra, Brett Tooth, Braden, Cuyden, Man, Kylin, J. Dillon, Sam Howell and the great Luke Felix Fulalolo. That was good. It was banged up.

Did you practice that? I did not. I'm impressed. Thank you very much. We're going to talk a little bit more about the offense. of guys on that list later in the week. But of all of those players, who is the one who you are

most curious to see how this office is and plays out? So I'm not going to answer your question literally here. I'm going to take it a little bit further. You need me here. Should I leave? I couldn't do a solo show. Lindsay will help you up. I think I'm not as intrigued. I think we all know how this is going to play out,

but I think that the ripple effects of Nekobi-Din signing elsewhere is one of the more intriguing and maybe even underrated things that we're going to be talking about and evaluating probably for the next maybe 10 months into the start of the next regular season and I'll tell you why and we'll get into this a lot but I think that the like spiritual leader aspect that Nkobi Dean represents for that defense

it's going to be significant we've talked to a lot of guys about Nkobi's potential departure and I think again it's not necessarily like intrigue and whether or not he goes, right? Like we heard from Nikobe yesterday in the locker room. He seems resigned that he will not be back. I think he would like to be back. Yeah, no, I think he would like to be back.

I think he knows that the there's an, it's unlikely that the Eagles will be able to compete in a market for him in free agency, especially with Jehad Campbell waiting in the wings there. So he's a player, I think that is going to be valued else, valued more elsewhere. And I think how that impacts the Eagles defense long term is going to be interesting. Okay. To me, that one's kind of like,

it's, I know how that, I think I know how it's going to play out. Yeah, but you don't know how it's going to affect the rest of the team. That's true. That's the direction I went. I mean, listen, I could have gone chalk here,

but I kind of wanted to, I knew you would probably go chalk. I wanted to give you a different one. Please. But I will go chalk, and I will tell you, if you think that Nekobi Dean is the spiritual leader of the defense,

I don't think there's any doubt that the Eagles view A.J. Dylan as the fulcrum of that locker room. There's no other explanation for why they would have kept him around for so long. So I'm curious to see if the extension for AJ Dylan is three or four years of guaranteed money. That's the only thing that's really up in the air at this point. I think Jaylen Phillips is the most interesting one. Yeah. I think I think the Reed one is

interesting because I don't know what his market's going to be like. I think there's a chance that they could find a fit there. I think the Dallas Goddard thing is interesting because if they do move on from AJ Brown. Do you want to bring back Dallas Goddart for another year? Because if you're going to be unproven at one of the top three spots in terms of past catchers, could you bring Dallas Goddard back? I think that's curious. But Jalen Phillips is the most interesting one to me because I don't know what his market's going to be like given the injury history. You know, he was very good here, but you have to take the larger picture into account. He does have an extensive injury history. Do the Eagles want to pay him? And how much does their view of Nolan Smith having kind of

of a down year, J-Elex Hunt ascending. How does that all play out as they plot their big contracts? Yeah, and reading the post or the locker room clean-out tea leaves, I thought Jalen Phillips was more down the middle or maybe even slightly leaning toward wanting. You know, like last year, when I left Zach Bond's locker room clean-out media scrum, I was like, this guy wants to come back. It's obvious that he sees the value in returning,

understands like that maybe chasing the... the biggest contract isn't necessarily the biggest priority in balancing wanting to be with the Eagles. I felt like Jalen Phillips hinted at that, you know, the fit in the organization and some of those elements and, you know, how much he enjoyed his time with the Eagles. But at the same time, the Eagles have some tough decisions to make, as you alluded to. All right. Well, let's put the pin on what's brewing and tell you that we heard from both Jalen Phillips and Nacobie Dean in the locker room yesterday. Let's start with Jailen Phillips, what he said.

you asked him about what his expectations are. We've got some video to share with you. How would you say your priorities? Why? How's you going for agency? You know, obviously, we've got family now. I've got a kid all the way, so we think about that. But also, I want to be a lot of competitive to you in an environment where I love the guys

that I'm around and love the organization I'm coming for. So I feel that here. Wow. Yeah, we got some breaking news elsewhere. Wow. Not with the Eagles, not to scare anybody, but. Mike Tomlin is stepping down. It's crazy.

I was thinking that. I was like, they're going to want to fire him, and they're going to be like, you can step down and make it like you decided it. I was asking my friend who's Steelers fan this morning, what she thought. Wow. I like, the framing here is he's stepping away from coaching.

Stepping away from coaching, which. is interesting because you would think if he was willing to interview for jobs he'd be one of the best candidates. I'm a Mike Tomlin apologist. I just want to get that out here now. I like what he's done is impressive. I think what he's done is unbelievably impressive.

No, I mean even in recent year, I guess what I was in recent years, I think what he's been able to do with those teams. Like every single year, you look at the Steelers and you're like, there's no way that they're going to playhouse this year. And he finds a way every year. Yeah. The quarterback carousal that he's dealt with.

I think, yeah, I would probably consider him the top candidate if he was open for a job, but it sounds like... Yeah, I think if you could get him somewhere where you could convince him to be more aggressive in game management situations, I think he'd be... Perfect. I'll save what I... The ridiculous thought that just crossed my head for our Thursday or whatever day and ends up being the no wrong...

No bad ideas. No bad ideas podcast. Maybe that's a tease for later in the week. Yeah, I'm looking forward to that. That's on Thursday. What do you think? That's very interesting. Yeah.

So what's that? Head coach openings? Nine now. Very interesting considering the insiders all told us there were going to be three openings on the Sunday before the end of the regular season. I mean... Nailed it.

From an Eagles perspective, I'm not touching that. From an Eagles perspective, I mean, if they make the decision we expect them to make with Kevin Petullo, it needs to be done quickly because there's going to be a lot of offensive coordinator openings. I can put Arthur Smith on that list of potential. How would you feel about that?

as a doppelganger I guess I am doing a solo show it is great that you guys look so much like each other because Beau has left the studio the chat's on my side

I know where I stand all right I'm sorry I'm sorry I shouldn't have started the week this But Bo just fell into a door. I said, I'm sorry. You said that's what you wanted to hear. The A block of the show.

We've lost one of the hosts. How would you feel about Arthur Smith as the Eagles offensive coordinator? I would be against it. On a personal level or from a... Both. Okay. I mean... We'd be Tuesday.

Let's hear what Nicopi Dean had to say. We talked to him all. So yesterday. Sorry to catch you by surprise, Lindsay. What is your expectation for how this officeism plays out in terms of being a free agent? My expectation, my expectation is, I mean, a guy going to handle it. You know, I'm excited. Would you like to be back? Of course.

I think everybody I know I want to be in Philly. I don't want to go nowhere. Have you already talked to that about that? Yeah. Yeah, I talked to him a day. Did you get any indication on what he was thinking? No, I didn't get none. Rightfully so.

He didn't expect the season in yesterday. So rightfully so, he still got to, you know, everybody got to get away from balls a little bit, take a couple of deep breath, and then, you know, then the seasons will be made then. Outside of what the indication, outside of what the plan of the proxies, what was his message for you today

when you did talk to him after the season you just had. Oh, it was, uh, it was just that, um, to sum it up, uh, my impact, my impact and, uh, my appreciation that they have from we have. My impact had not gone unnoticed and they, and he put out, like, um, my bad, my impact had not going to notice and he just expressed appreciation of me. Do you think the way that you came back from the knee injury and the way you came back from the hamstring, answered questions about if there were any, were any about durability and health and entering free agency in terms of your value? Yeah, I mean, I don't really have, I don't think I ever had a problem with durability.

I came into, I gave him to the lead with like a, I mean, that black cloud over my head of he can't stay healthy when I literally never miss the game. Everything was just literally like a little, a little pick tweak from working out. And then, of course, the two injuries didn't help me, but you know, you got guys who didn't play this year, who they had multiple injuries. but they don't call him injury prone or not durable. It's a, I mean, it's just a looming thing over me. But like I said, I feel like I'm good. I got a whole all season to actually work on my body.

I've learned my body in and now at this point. So, yeah. How many trackers would you put on Nacobi being back? There were points this season where I was banging the drum for Nacobi to come back because the Eagles don't let difference-making players homegrown difference makers usually walk in free agency, but it's just so hard to envision them spending premium money at both linebacker spots with Jahad Campbell. I mean, it would be, honestly, it would be

bad roster building. So I'd probably put it at like 15, and the 15 is like if his market does not materialize the way we expect now. I have a couple of linebacker deals recently signed that I think would be informative for Nacobie Dean. Patrick Queen, does that sound like? I think that's too rich. you think it's too rich okay all right fair enough he signed for three years 41 million 13.6 million annually

I would be surprised if he gets that Nick Bolton I think is probably a little too rich that was I put Patrick Clean I thought you would say that that was a pretty good comp because of the injury history like when Patrick Clean when Patrick Clean signed he was obviously like had draft pedigree

but I think he hadn't yet proven to be like a true impact player Nick Bolton three years 45 million 15 million annually so I think Nicobe is going to be around that at the very least. Yeah. You think he's more like 11 or 12?

I think so. But that could be wrong. Yeah. I would say 10 to 12. There's definitely a, you know, the top tier of linebackers that's like Zach Bond range, that's 17 million. But if you're talking about like, you know, reliable every down. I know.

And I know the injury history is just. Ousu Coramo, a 12.5 a year? Yeah. I mean, he, he. I think, I don't. I don't know. I think Nicobe gets more. He wasn't injured in college. And as he says, he wasn't injured in college.

He wasn't injured the first two years. And then he suffered serious injuries in years, or I guess two and three. Came back and he had a minor injury this year. But if you're the Eagles, the only way to fit Nikobe, in theory would be to like trade Zach Bond for a ransom. And you're not going to do that if that also means that you're relying on a guy. who has been injury prone. Right.

Like it just, it's really hard to, I think they love Nukobi. I think the guys love Nkobi. I think it's really hard to figure out a way to make that happen. I think if you're the Eagles, you look at it, you drafted Jihad Campbell in the first round. You have to let him play. Yeah, you have to let him play. You drafted him without knowing what Nikobe Dean would look like coming back from injury. You drafted him because you viewed him as a special player at that point in the first round,

maybe where there were fewer surefire special players, you have to live with the decision at this point. You know, NCOB made it a very difficult decision for them, but I think you have to live with it. All right, let's take a quick break. You hear from some sponsors. On the other side, we'll talk Jordan Davis. Maybe another head coach will step down in the interim,

but much more to come with E.J. Smith, who looks like... Uh-oh. Be careful. I can help you. Who's offensive? Oh. What I can say here. You're a handsome Arthur Smith. Come to hell.

Just throw the brain. So the other morning, getting the three kids to school, jumble as always. Then I got to come in, do the Brennan Graham show. Unblocked. Check it out. And what happens? I need a little food. So what do I do?

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I don't look anything. We don't look anything alike. We're just two white guys. Yeah, we don't look anything alike. He doesn't have a chin. This is so offensive. I wouldn't say he doesn't have a chin. he doesn't i think you figured out your look more than he's figured out his he doesn't we don't look-alike anything alike there are there are look-alikes i see when people give me young chevy chase i think that's i i i accept that that's not far off my father-in-law i don't look anything like arthur smith nothing alike well i both have noses and mouths and ears and we're white that's it at least you get like you'll get young or like handsome version of

of somebody, I'll get like ugly version of somebody. Yeah, you look like old ugly Uncle Phil. That's not nice. I get ugly Michael Strayhan. You don't look anything like Michael Strayhan. I have a gap. I mean, that's pretty much, maybe same complexion. But I mean, if I'm ugly Michael Strayhan, I'm doing okay.

I get Will Smith sometimes. Will Smith? Listen. Are people blind? I have a friend who is like really like uppity about like a lookalikes. And he's a fraternal twin. So I imagine it's probably because people tell him and his twin look like each other and they really don't. So like, yeah, I'll tell him like a real one where it's like this person looks like this person and he'll be beside himself. So I don't know. I think there's

something there. I mean, it's been a thing. It's not a thing. It's a thing made out of nothing. If he gets hired by the Eagles, will you lean into it? Yeah lean into pushing him over the railing Because you I saw someone say If Arthur Smith

Get hired by the Eagles They might just run the triple option And I honestly I don't know if I disagree We don't look anything alike You people are blind All right Let's talk about Jordan Davis

Yeah And before we get to the pecking order of what the Eagles will do at defensive tackle, let's first see what Jordan Davis said about Nikobee Dean and Reed Blankenship, guys who he came in with and the possibility of them leaving. This is from locker room clean out day yesterday. There is unclear right now, Nicopi and Reeve, just what have they meant to you in this locker room, those two? Came in with those guys. I think that's what hits the hardest.

You came in with those guys who came in together. whether they're here or not, you know, they're amazing men. Just knowing that you're going to be amazing people for other teams or this team, whether they're here or not, you know, I'm no GM, but, you know, it's just the memories. It's the memories. It feels like you're kind of losing. It's like you're grieving, but you're not because, you know, they're still alive. You can always call them and stuff, but it's like knowing that they're not in the room with you,

knowing that their presence is being felt every day. I think that's the toughest part for me. When you spend so much time with these guys, who stand damn there seven months together, damn there in 12 hours of the day with each other, you know, it's hard. You get to know those people on a personal level. Like, I know Reed and, like,

N'Cobie's New Year's resolution on a deeper level, like why they want to, you know, do things that they want to do this year and accomplish the things to do. And, you know, it's something that you can't replace. You really can't replace that. You can get another guy. You can get another guy. But you can't replace those people and those memories and those,

just everything about those, everything. But, you know, they're going to be amazing players wherever they're at. So I'm not really worried about that aspect. It just, you know, it just sucks. What do you think would be your lasting memory of the season? Um, the locker room, man. The locker room. All the talks that we had, I'm sure y'all been present for a lot of them.

But just the locker room. I think this is my favorite place. Anywhere, like any team that I've been a part of being in the locker room is the best place. From high school to college to now. You spend a lot of time in here. You learn a lot about people in here. You fight. Families fight.

Families fight. But, um, I'm so proud. I'm just so proud. The resiliency of these guys, you know, didn't check out how he wanted to. I'm sure people in Philadelphia, you know, that I'm going to be calling for our heads on a stick, but I'm just really proud of guys. And, you know, I don't regret anything in the season. I don't regret anything that I've done. I don't regret anything that I've done. I don't regret anything that anybody has done in this season. I leave with a clear heart, clear mind, and a renewed focus. I'm a renewed focus. Pain can change you. Pain can change you. Pain. grow, but you really have to be that scene. What do we think about the playing the audio, playing the video? Yeah, let us know what you think. Let us know who E.J. looks like. I've opened a can of worms here.

I mean, I'll take it if it's true. Meanor Chevy Chase was good. I'll take that too. I apologize. I don't remember who said that in the chat. Very true. Okay. What did you want to talk about with these defensive tackles?

Well, one quick thing, just to, you know, because I made the, point of Nacobi being the spiritual leader. I wanted to point out something else that Jordan Davis said along those lines a little bit earlier in locker room cleanout day. He said, Nikobe is my guy and everybody knows that, but it's not like he's dying. I'm always going to see him. And then this is the part I thought was really telling. He said, but having a guy like that in the room, having that guy behind you, it's just a confidence it gives you. We've been together for damn near going on eight years now. So it's just kind of crazy to imagine a defense where he's not behind me and not calling plays and not calling shots.

I just, we saw what this defense looked like when Nekobo Bidine came back from injury. I just do think it's going to be a more significant departure than would be, than just what he, what his numbers are. You know, if he told me you have to replace whatever it was for Nukobo this year, like seven or 80 tackles and, you know, a few TFLs and some PBOs. Like, yeah, I think Jihad Campbell can replace that, but I think there is an intangible element that's going to be harder to replace. But at the same time,

those guys are all going to be veterans now. Yeah, maybe they don't need that as much. Yeah. You know, it's going to be year five for Jordan Davis, year four for Jalen Carter. You can't, you can't bring the guy along just to bring mid-career guys with him. Yeah, but he's a good player too. I agree. He's a valuable player.

He's an awesome player. He's awesome to watch. But, and I know, you know, people made the case that. that the, like, you know, the Jalen Carter first plate, the spitting thing probably doesn't happen if Nicoby Deans out there. Yeah, right? Like, he's a bit of a jailing Carter whisperer.

Yeah, and that's going to be important for what we're about to talk about. But, you know, you can't, you can't pay for everything. Yeah, but it's not, it's not like we're talking about a guy who's a liability. He's also a good player. Right.

Which is why he's too valuable. Like, he's going to be worth too much for them to bring up. Yeah, and I think they have to live with that. Yeah. So what I wanted to talk about on the show is that going through the extent, Eligible defensive lineman.

Obviously, Jalen Phillips, Jalen Phillips, and is that it? Actually, yeah, that is, Jalen Phillips is the only one that's going to be a free agent. But Morrow Jomo, Jordan Davis, obviously we just talked about Jalen Carter and Nolan Smith. They will all be extension eligible going into this offseason.

I'm curious how the Eagles will prioritize them. Because obviously, again, there's an urgency with Jalen Phillips, but for the Eagles, there's also going to be an urgency with these extension. A guy like Jalen Carter, there might be an urgency to get ahead of the defensive tackle market. And I think Jordan Davis, you probably make an argument that he falls in there too. It's going to be more expensive next season, next offseason.

I think you probably paid Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis this offseason. What do you think? I tend to agree. I think Jordan Davis, I think you pay him this offseason. You saw the level that he jumped this season. I think the price is only going to go up for him. But I also, I mean, he's already, he's an extension for Jordan Davis makes sense

because this year's price is already locked in. Sure. Yeah. So you just move, you move from there and, you know, pay him a little bit more in the next two years after that. Right.

With Jalen Carter, you can like kind of do the, like the fifth, the fifth year option, pro ration. Right. And then, and then a franchise after that,

right? Like those are, those are baselines built into what the contract would look like. So those ones I think are, I think those ones will. happen. Yeah, the Carter one's interesting though. And because of that, I think you, you probably, you probably don't pay Morrow. You have to just let him play out. I think that's right. And also with Morrow, like, he was asked about this yesterday about being, you know, obviously like a finance guy

and like, you know, how he's going to approach it. Yeah. And he didn't give much, he didn't give much. He said he hadn't thought about it much. He talked about he's going to defer to his agent. But being around Morrow, I've written about Morrow. Yeah, he's got thoughts on it for sure. Yeah, he's going to have thoughts on it and it wouldn't shock me at all if he handles it slightly differently than most guys do. Yeah, that's interesting. You know, I think he probably would see the value of testing in open market. So it might be the type of thing where it doesn't really come up. I don't know if the Eagles can afford. I mean, I think the priority will be Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter staying together as a tandem. Yeah. And I think that's going to be expensive and I think it's going to

affect the rest of that group. And then I think Nolan Smith, I think you probably just pick up to fifth year option. I would say so. Yeah, no. I mean, in Nolan's return from injury, like it wasn't the closing argument that he would have wanted, I think. Yeah. You know, in terms of that trajectory that he was on at the end of last season,

it was much more of a roller coaster this year, mostly because of injury, but if you're the Eagles, that's part of the evaluation with him. It has to be. And if you're just thinking about, like, how are they going to be able to pay all these guys? I do think that

trading AJ Brown, this offseason, potentially, you're taking that money on now but it also means clearing money in the future to be able to afford it, which is when you're going to be paying those guys anyway, even if you're committing to it now. Yeah, and that is going to be the reality. It's one of the things that's kind of daunting about the Eagles offensive rebuild

that looms large is that there's going to have to be a balancing act that they play here as these guys on defense get more expensive. So it's going, but it's important. And, you know, that's something that we, I wanted to talk about today is going, I mentioned it earlier, going through their upcoming free agents, it's like the spine of this defense is going to be significantly up in the air going into the offseason. I mean, we haven't talked that much about Reed Blankenship, but I mean, you talk to guys in the secondary. They talk about how important he is to, he's another one that's like it's an intangible thing.

It might not just be the tackles and the PbUs and the interceptions. It's the fact that they don't have as many coverage busts when he's in there. And I think that it is reflective of they feel like he's kind of the leader. So, yeah, no, it's significant. And again, those guys are getting older, Quineonian, Mitchell Cooper to Gene. They probably don't need, like, a babysitter or, you know, a leader that kind of gets them in the right spot as much, but it's still important.

The way that Vic wants to play, I don't think they want, they're going to have to sign some veteran to start at safety, right? I don't think you're going to want a mid-round rookie starting next to second-year Drew McCuba at safety. So you're maybe the argument is defense, right? So if you're going to pay somebody anyway, maybe it is that you can find somebody cheaper and you think that you can get about the same amount of them. But maybe there's a case that, you know, if Reed's market is not huge,

that there is value in keeping him. Yeah, I didn't go through the safety market quite as much, but, I mean, just like going through it really quickly, like Julian Love at 11 million. Yeah, it's not going to make that much, I don't think. Yeah, I mean, Kevin Byrd's at 7.5. So I would say Reed's probably close to double digits, it's Harrison Smith at 10, 10,000, 10.2.

Justin Reed at 10.5. They don't usually pay guys at that tier of any position, right? Right. It's usually you're paying guys at the top or you're bottom feeding. If I'm Howie, though, especially with how shaky their record has been drafting at that position and you're really evaluating it in general, I think you probably say maybe you pay a premium at safety and you figure it out at a position that you feel. more confident drafting at.

Even if it is resetting it. You're really giving him two years worth of money. And then by then you're going to be paying your guys on the outside anyway. And then you can try to backfill. I don't know. It's very interesting. But you're right.

Vick's not going to want two guys on a rookie contract. He's not going to want two guys on a rookie contract back there, especially with what we've seen from Akuba. You know, I was going to say this for later than the show, but since we're talking about Makuba, he said late summer is when he's hoping to be 100% and back from his, his ankle fracture.

I mean, that is... That affects the blankinghip decision too. Oh, absolutely. I mean, that's significant. And he missed practice time last training camp. I mean, that's going to be a big deal for Vic. So, yeah, the Reed situation is going to be really interesting. And it does kind of inform the conversation we have about Jalen Phillips, right?

Like, again, maybe it is they draft at edge rusher and they prioritize getting readback. So, I don't know. It's fun to have these conversations. We haven't really talked through these things. Like, it's kind of happening. on the fly, but I think I might be talking myself into another uncharacteristic offseason for Hallie Roseman. Okay.

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same time. Yeah, I mean, it's, I saw that you, uh, skeeted Zach Taylor, AFC North survivorship. Well, just, yeah. Greg loves Zach Taylor. So it is very funny that he is the last one remaining. Yeah, I mean, it's a lot of change. I, I wonder if they'll, if that division will stay as like nasty as an has been. Yeah, that's a good question. I hope so. It's a new, new thing of the rivalry. Yeah, but I like, I love that division. I love how much they hate each other. I like the NFC North rivalry that's budding too. Like these teams don't have to like each other. It's fun.

Yeah. Yeah. All right. I want to talk about Jalen. We talked a lot about, you know, the Jalen Hertz situation yesterday and who was to blame for the offense and all that stuff. And obviously we're still waiting to hear any kind of resolution on what's going to happen with the coaching staff. But I just want to say that the Jailen Hurts did not have a great season. We know that.

And he is responsible for a lot of that. But the excuse-making that you see permeating from different sources about how difficult the Eagles' offensive coordinator job is because of Jalen, because if he didn't want to run more this year, or he's limited in what he can do as a pocket passer, I find that stuff so gross because it's obviously coming from inside the building. they're pointing the finger at their franchise quarterback, who, by the way, we have seen do these things before.

And so, you know, that, like, that's what coaching is. Coaching is getting the best out of this guy, and this was not the best out of him. That's part of the deal. So if you don't think that he can, you know, do progression reads, so what? Call plays that he can do. It worked in 2022.

It worked in 2024. Like, it's so gross, and it tells you, who they want to protect. And I don't know if this is a just the coaching staff, if this is the front office, if it's the locker room or what. But like, I'm sorry. You can win with him.

They just won the Super Bowl with him a year ago. Like, he is not the problem. So make it work. Figure out a way to make it work and stop throwing him under the bus. And I don't, again, Jeline Hertz is a flawed player. everybody's a flawed player. You know, Fran has done a very good job of breaking down the things

that Jalen struggled with this season and struggled with in past seasons. They can still, they have A.J. Brown and Devante Smith and Dallas Goddard and a fine offensive line and Sequan Barkley. Like, they were one of the worst offenses

in football this year. That's terrible. It's not all on the quarterback. Stop throwing him under the bus because he doesn't walk the same line as everybody else in the building. It's just, like, I'm very tired of that. Yeah, no, it's well.

said, I think that it becomes apparent when the Eagles have faced adversity, especially in the last year, who plays the game and who does not play the game in terms of protecting themselves publicly. Obviously, that's not to say that Jalen hasn't made comments or alluded to things that maybe are hit, that maybe that is his way of protecting himself. But yeah, I think it's, I think the point that stands out to me is that the best version of Jalen Hertz may require. creativity from coaches, but that is what the money is for if you're a coach. You know, we've seen good offensive coordinators. We've seen Shane Stike and we've seen Callen Moore get the best out of the Eagles offense with Jalen Hertz as a part of that and

affecting winning on the biggest stages. And that's not to say, well, I guess it is to say that when they've had first year play callers, when they've had less experienced people in that position, it hasn't looked as good. I think that it does. It might require creativity, but that's most quarterbacks in the NFL. Of course. And I don't buy that, first of all, even if we believe that the reason Jalen didn't run more this season

is only Jalen Hertz. And he's refusing to run more, which I don't fully buy. But even if we do buy that, him running three times fewer a game is the only difference between this being a good offense and a terrible offense.

Give me a break. Yeah, I mean, I do think that there is a conversation about like needed growth if he's not going to run. I think that, you know, we've talked a lot about that. The offense might need to look different. Which is, again, part of coaching. And he might have to embrace different parts, the under center thing.

But he did that this year. He embraced under center. That's exactly right. Like, I don't, you know, I'm sure that he has preferences. Yeah. And maybe there are, you put the game plan together and you have your meeting at the end of the week. And he's like, you know what? I don't really, I'm not really feeling that.

And that hamstrings you a little bit. I can see that. That's fine. But the idea that he is closed off to doing things to help the offense. I don't buy that at all. We know how much he cares about winning. We saw him do the under-center stuff, which was not in their initial game plan for the season.

And Dana has pounded the table every week that they were not good from under-center. And that is not a reflection on Jalen when it's the run game that was unproductive at a center. So when we talk about offensive coordinator candidates, oh, well, who can unlock the under-center run game, that is a reflection of like the coaching element of this. I think, again, I'll keep saying it.

It might require creativity, but that is most quarterbacks in the NFL. every quarterback has limitations you have to coach around except for the top three or four in the league. Right. And I think that like the one thing I always try to fall back on when I have conversations with people about Jalen is, you know, you have to evaluate quarterbacks

on whether you can win a Super Bowl with them or not. That is like the whole question for like almost every quarterback outside of the top 10 or, well, it's really the top half of the league, right? The top half, maybe top 10 in the NFL are the guys you can win with. Jalen is a part of that conversation. He has proven it. Of course. That is the bottom line.

And at that point, it's like, and this is the other thing. The Eagles, they like to build these guys up only to tear them down. Yes. And it is a, that is such an Eagles thing. Yeah. Absolutely right. It's like, it's like, don't look the gift horse in the mouth a little bit. You have a quarterback you can win a Super Bowl with.

What is the, what is the end game of trying to make, put this on him, lay this at the feet of Jalen Hertz? What is the end game there? Avoiding blame. Yeah. But the consequences are far greater. I always say, like, do you want to step out into the cold and try and find another guy you can win a Super Bowl with? Those guys are hard to find. They've learned nothing from the Carson-Lent's experience, which is a little bit different.

So maybe you think they have two guys that you can win a Super Bowl with in the building. Well, I do think that that's true. But I'm also not advocating for that. I just, I was also, I've been thinking a lot about the home base thing that Jalen said. And taking, he was obviously very intentional about that. Oh, for sure. Yeah. and taking him out his word on that,

I find it very difficult to figure out how they can make that happen with Nick Siriani because it's never going to be like Nick's offense is not that home base. It doesn't have an identity like that. And so if you're bringing in another offensive coordinator, the way to make that work is

not only do you have to bring that person and you have to bring in all of their people because there needs to be a succession plan in place. You have to bring in, like, you know, four underlings in the coaching staff who are prepared to then take over, who have the same, you know, structural identity in the offense that that guy has if they're successful and he leaves. To that point, as we like read the tea leaves as to why it's taking longer than maybe

expected for the Kevin Petulow News to drop? I wouldn't say that it's necessarily longer than expected. Yeah, longer. Yeah, that's fair. But as we get toward. a point where it's like, okay, I wonder what is taking so long behind the scenes. Could it be these types of conversations? You know, because Eagles have some really good position coaches.

Yes. And, you know, you look at across the board at some of the guys who have been here a while, it'd be unfortunate if, like, they were collateral in that. But to your point, maybe it is like you need succession planning as part of this. Right. If you bring in... Which is a difficult decision. Like, that's what I want to make clear.

That is a difficult thing to figure out. Like, again, they've got some proven position coaches. in there. Potentially, we will do a show later in the week on on offensive coordinator candidates. But, you know, the big guys out there who are free right now, like, you know, Mike McDaniel or Todd Monkin or whoever,

like, if those guys are successful, they'll be a head coach next year. Yeah. And then you're back at square one, right? Yeah. And that's not the home base. And again, maybe they're not solving for giving Jalen the home base.

maybe they're solving for, we need one more year to evaluate whether we do think Jalen is the guy, and if not, we can maybe make a decision next off-season. One thing, now that we're talking about the home base, we were watching a clip from Nick Foles earlier, and I thought he was really good on this topic about the play call and how basic,

the play call on the fourth and 11 that basically ended the Eagle season, how basic a play call it was. The Nick Foll's breakdown was very good. He said it was the first touchdown pass he threw in his NFL career in the preseason. You know, it's basically that basic season. basic of a concept that you can run it with the twos or the threes in preseason and the the just like

how you know exacerbated he was it's like this is the play call that you you fall back on when in the biggest moment of the season like usually you'd have something where it's like I feel amazing about running through this play I feel amazing about all the things we can get to the fact that they didn't have that I do think that that points to what Jalen was saying which is that they never really figured out what they could always trust in big moments this season Yeah. It's going to be an interesting offseason. All right.

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From late 908 says, could the internal criticisms be near? protecting his boy and trying to tell Lurie and Howie to move on from Hertz? I think it I think the for the the the former part of that possibly the latter part of that I'd be surprised yeah and I also don't think that that's it's this is not a singularly sourced I would agree with that yeah I'm I do think that it's like protection of Kevin Petullo is the the short-term goal of some of this stuff probably again that's where I'm like what's the end game Like, what are you trying to ultimate? Like, I guess do you consider the consequences of what that could,

what that could bring? Yeah, fair. We have a guest to player, the game that E.J. has never won. Let's see if we can keep that streak up. Courtesy of Lindsay here. All right, love this. All right, we start with a former commander's team logo for the audio Baby.

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Okay. Let's think about this. Can we have a position for a hint? No, no, no, no, no hints. No hints. I have a hint when you're ready for one. Just slack me the hint. He doesn't need it, but I need it.

No, no, no, no. Da, da, da, da, da. Yeah, I mean, because I mean, because I'm, it's bad podcasting if we're just staring at this. All right, we'll take the hint. This guy knows a thing or two about backups. Oh, so a backup quarterback. It's not.

That hint was sent in from Fran. I don't know if that also is a hint that Fran would say that about this. This guy knows a thing or two about backups. Oh, was Ross Tucker. Oh, that's fun. I like that. Well, then how come there's no eagle on there?

I don't know. I followed whatever. camp with the Eagles. Yeah, I mean, that's a good one. I like that. We were going to be staring at that for a while, though. One of these days, I'll win it. Ross.

We're not done. You and I need to have this out. One day. All right. Another small little interesting, maybe not so small, tidbit from post-game locker locker room clean out yesterday

with courtesy of Cooper de Jean. Yeah, Cooper de Jean. Gene, when discussing whether or not he would be open to, or I guess where he would like to play, outside corner, nickel, safety, he said, and this is a little bit of a departure from him. He said he is happy to stay at nickel. He wants to stay at Slok Cornerback. Yeah, he wants to stay at Slot Corner, which usually you hear from him. I'll play wherever they want me to, you know, just doing whatever the defense needs.

But I don't know. I think it was probably an acknowledgment of how much. success he's had in the slot. And also maybe like a deeper understanding that he's going to get his money no matter what. I mean, you know, because I think the only real argument for him wanting to be an outside corner instead of a nickel is if he felt like the market would just be so much more competitive for him as an outside corner. I think if you're one of the best nickel corners in the NFL, especially if you play for an organization like the Eagles, you probably think you're going to be worth plenty at either spot. And I think he's best as a nickel. I think he, you know,

understands that as well. I think that's probably right. I mean, he's so important there. Yeah. Now, maybe that's part of the re-blankenship conversation is long-term. Maybe he has a landing spot at safety eventually. Yeah, it's funny because with Cooper and Jihad, and I'm not saying I want this, I'm just saying maybe some sickos out there would consider this interesting.

You could make an argument that there's like a more interesting version of the Eagles defense. It's probably not as good. Definitely not as good. But is there like a crazy defensive coordinator that would be like Cooper's going to play safety on this snap, he's going to play nickel, he's going to play outside corner. Jahad Campbell's going to be on the edge. He's going to be at offball linebacker. Brian Flores type defense.

Yeah, just like craziness. Like guys just, you know, like, you know, it's like three guys, Zach Bond, Jahad Campbell, Cooper to Gene. You never know where they're going to line up every single step. Yeah, that's true. It'd be a chaotic and fun defense, but probably, I mean, no, it would not be as good as the defensive McFanjo as author. No, but it would be the kind of defense you could play if you weren't so good at other positions.

Sure, yeah. Right? If you're trying to make the most of just a more mediocre collection of defensive talent. Yeah, at Jalick's Hunt in there too. Jaylux Hunt could probably wear a couple different hats. Yeah, that's true. It would be fun, but yeah, I just, it's hard to argue. It's hard to be like, imagine what it would be like if Vic Fangio weren't the defensive

coordinator for this team, it's not a better scenario. Yeah. The tactic codes would love it though Sure Like McDonald maybe I don't know Yeah who would Nick Rallis

He probably would do some crazy stuff We're throwing Nick Rallis And it's like one of the great defensive minds No not one of the great defensive minds Just like a little chaotic Like trying new things Yeah Okay

Hey what do you think is up with Christian Parker It's interesting isn't it? I mean it's waiting for head coaches To be hired first and then Yeah I mean there's gonna be That is the order of operations There's gonna be like 10 or 11 defensive of coordinator jobs open.

Yeah. It's hard to imagine he wouldn't get one of those. I think so too. I mean, I've spoken to him a few times. I imagine he would interview very well. Yeah, me too. He's got a track record. He's got a presence about him.

Yeah, absolutely. And like an obvious track record. Right, yeah. So I think it's only a matter of time. Yeah. That many openings is going to have real repercussions. Ripple effects. Yeah, I use ripple effects earlier in the show.

He's got real ripple effects on the Eagles coaching staff. I mean, like, you go through the entire defensive staff, Clinton Hart's been to D.C. before. Bobby King. True. Joe Casper. I mean, all these guys are probably going to get looks for D.C. jobs. Or, like, the next wave, if they don't get D.C. jobs, do you get a past game coordinator job somewhere else? Or, you know, do the Eagles have to backfill those positions?

So it's going to be a lot of movement. Lindsay also has something else to show us. Not sure what this is. Oh, man. That is generous. This is the guy from Bridgerton, season one. He's definitely a handsome, handsome man. I wish that you guys could see the disgust in Bow's face right now.

Of course he's handsome. And E.J.'s handsome, too. But we're giving him this guy and you're giving me no-chin, nepo baby Arthur Smith. Come on. Thank you, Lindsay. You were kind to me. The chat was kind to me.

Terrible. We don't. look like, I'm so triggered. You were so disappointed that I was a handsome man. Do you watch Bridgeton? No. My wife will have like Bridgeton watch parties when I'm not home usually. Okay.

We're not in Bover Time. I'm going to have to be careful about what I say about Bridgeton. It seems like an interesting show, but like, come on, guys, what are we doing? She's going to love that comparison then. We know what's up with this. Lindsay, you know what I'm talking about? Yeah. That's why it's a good show.

It's, I'm trying to think of the right way to say this for over time. It's like PG Game of Thrones. Oh, it's, but it's like, it's. Is that what you're talking about? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like the first season is like really like that. And then the next couple of seasons, it becomes like.

Yeah, it's. It knows what it's doing. Okay. It's fine. Listen. I mean, yeah, you gotta get a,

there's like a whole genre of books out there in this rain, in this vein. Inside and outside the studio. But yeah, I just like, because it would usually be when I'm on road trips.

It was like, oh, like me and, like my high school, like best friends are going to come over. They don't have a subscription to the streaming service.

So we're going to watch, like, a full season of Bridgeton. And she did it last summer and I was home. And I like, you know, gave them their space,

go to the gym, you know, like, go do like two or three errands. I actually, like, ended up playing football manager at the gym. Like, I worked out, and I was like, I'll just play football manager here. And I came home after a few hours, you know, eat food or whatever. And I'm like, geez, this show, it's like kind of raunchy.

Now we're talking. That's what some people say about this show. That's right. All right, any other lingering thoughts you have? Let's be, let me check the notebook, not EJ's notebook. Not EJ's notebook. Not the great EJ's notebook. I haven't seen it.

Give us the reviews in the chat on the videos being played. People said they liked it. Oh. There we go. They said the audio is tough. But that's just like, yeah, the guys don't talk. Yeah. There's only so much we can do to plus up the audio.

Yeah. I think we went through most of my notes. I want to say some of the offensive stuff for tomorrow. How about you? Mike Tomlin. crazy it is crazy it's uh end of an era what if harbaud took that job

they would never hire him I know what about what if what would be the trade compensation if the eagles and Steelers traded seriani for Mike Tomlin I don't know enough about like trade coach trade but that is interesting

I feel like the Steelers Steelers sign up for that you think so yeah I think they would I think well I guess Do you make the argument like, well, they already have a good culture? They don't need, like, a culture builder? Yeah, I don't think they would, I don't think they would go for that. I think that.

I could see the Steelers. They like, they like, they like the myth-making idea of, like, they're going to, they're going to find somebody who hasn't been a head coach yet. Oh, yeah, you're right. This guy's going to stay here for. Yeah, they'll like have some random. Maybe they'll hire Christian Parker as head coach. Hmm, how you're talking?

How many turkeys would you put on Nick Siriani versus Christian Parker? If they were the only two options who would have more, turkeys for the Steelers for the Steelers for the Steelers specifically I could see that I could see the Steelers leaning into that I mean they're those they're a classy organization they're smart they could say like oh this is an opportunity for us to bring in a proven head coach I think the Titans are the Browns too like I think I'm not saying the Eagles are going to trade Nick Siriani but if they were going to I think that those are some organizations that would be interested like I don't know I've heard a lot of debate like oh would Nick Siriani be like a hot candidate if

he were available it's like I think he would but I think there are enough organizations out there that would see him as a proven head coach with a great record. Speaking of hot candidates, stay tuned for Lindsay Todd. I want to know what the chat thinks of a lookalike for Lindsay

without ever having seen her before. What do they imagine she looks like? Just based on my voice. That's actually an interesting one. I already gave Lindsay a lookalike, but I won't share it. Don't tell you can't. I won't share it.

My mother-in-law. You could because I don't think that would give them. insight into what I look like. My mother-in-law looks like Lara Dern. I showed you the pictures you weren't convinced, but she does. And even like, you know that... I don't trust you. I don't trust your eye. You know the gif of Lara Derm where she goes like,

you know? No. No. Well, it's a gif. She says that went way over my head. And then she, like, has like this, like, laughing smile. And my mother-in-law, like, that is, like, her, like, resting face is that she is, like, always, like, got that laughing smile. So they look like each other. I'm trying to think, oh, my dad.

My dad looks like Giovanni Esposito Oh my god He doesn't Yes he does Yes he does I'll find pictures No he doesn't Oh my god

It's like uncanny In Giovanni It's John Carlo Esposito Isn't it? Yeah John Carlo Esposito In The Mandalorian When his hair slick back

Yeah Uncanny I think the best answer I've seen so far For Lindsay is Howl from 2001 Should I give the one I gave to Lindsay?

Somebody said, Maeve from Task. Like, do I really sound like I have that much of a Philly accent? No. And she's the only one in that show who has, like, a good Philly accent. Yeah. Yeah, I wouldn't say your Philly accent's, like,

aggressive. No, I would say so. Yeah. I'm trying to find a good picture. I'm, like, Googling these people. Oh, you know. What do you say? I'm Googling, like, the people they say.

I don't know half of them. I got something else to get off my chair. Chess here. All right. Let's see. What you got? First class today. Oh, how are we feeling? I'm feeling good. I'm excited. I have my whole spiel. I'm not going to practice it because I'm going to get my head about it, but I got my spiel. What is it an hour? 50 minutes? It's a night class, so it's supposed to be two and a half hours. Wow. Or three, three and a half, five thirty, five thirty eight, whatever the two and a half. Come on. Good thing I said. Math class. I'm not teaching math. Yeah. It won't go the whole time tonight. It'll just be... I want to push over.

I mean, yes, obviously. I'm pretty eight, okay. So we're going to go through the syllabus. We have to go through the syllabus. Okay. And then I'm going to... Like, what do you mean you're going to go through the syllabus? You're going to sit there and read it with everybody?

Oh, not at all. No, I'm going to hit the points. Make sure I show them what's important. But listen, the syllabus... I don't know what time it is. Shout out to John DeCarlo because he... It's his... Originally, he teaches this class.

So he helped me with the syllabus. I mean, he literally sent me the syllabus. Oh, my... I'm not going to take any credit. It doesn't really, all you are is a pretty face here. You haven't put any work in on this. Sure. Yeah, I'll take that.

I have put in work, but yeah. Is it John of Carlo or Carlo de Jean? Carlo DiGon. He will like that. But no, I am going to go through the important stuff on the syllabus. But for me, the syllabus taught me how to teach the class, so they need to read it too. And then we're going to go around. I want them to introduce themselves.

I want them to tell me where they're from. I want them to tell me what they want out of the class, or they can tell me their dream job. I think that that will help me as their professor. Okay. Teach them the tools. Give them the tools they need. How big is the class? It's 20 kids.

20 kids. It's a big class, right? Wow, yeah. I feel like we really dropped the ballbow of like we should have planned to show up and not tell him. And just be sitting in the back of the class. It's not too late. Those kids would be like, who are these people? I don't know.

I'm a little bit nervous about being the leader of a group of young children. Not young children. They're not children. Young adults. They're in college. Is this your outfit? Yeah. I was going to wear like a professor's jacket.

No, I figured this would be like a good contemporary professor look. I didn't want to go too formal. And you're going to be like, who's this bozo in the suit? Sure, of course. I just wanted to go a little bit dressier. Okay, so so far it sounds like you've got about at best a half an hour is worth for two and a half hours. And they all have to introduce themselves. And I've got a spiel that I'm going to give them, like what I want to.

to get out of the class. So, no. And then what? The syllabus, we're going to go through the syllabus. And then I'll walk the whole class. It's the first class. You're trying to psych me out.

He's trying to psych me out. No, we're not, no, we're not doing the writing exercise in the first class. You got to establish a foundation. You're going to give them 45 minutes and send them on their way. Maybe John doesn't want you as a professor.

You're going to be making these kids stay the whole time. It's a class. It's a night class. Listen, you might have been like an exemplary student. You might have been an overachiever. What about me would make you think that I was an exemplary student? You're very intelligent and you achieve a lot. So you were probably an overachiever in school.

For me, I took all the night classes because they were efficient. You only have to be there once a week and you're never staying the whole time. You're never staying the whole time. I mean, you've got to be staying at least two hours. I think the class is going to be good for content. got to make some content out of it. Yeah, I look forward to the review tomorrow. Yeah, it's going to be great.

Do you think there are any students in the class that watch the show who are watching right now? I would like to think we have enough of a hold on the 18 to 25 market that may be a few of them. I mean, if they weren't before, they'll be here soon. All right, here's what I want. If anybody is in the class tonight and is watching the show,

when E.J. asks you, what your dream job is, I think you should say as a way to let E.J. know that you're watching, that your dream job is like David Baker's. Yeah, president of the pro football hall of fame. Just so you can interview with that guy. Say that you want to be president of the pro football hall of fame. All right.

I like that challenge. We should do more of these where like, like, have you ever watched a YouTube video where it's like, I probably should workshop this off there? Like, at the end, it's like, if you made it this far in the video, comment something. Like, yeah, we should do that. Like, comment.

Yeah. Pro football Hall of Fame or something. Something. I don't know. If you made it this far into the episode, comment something below the video. I like that. I don't know if that's good for us, but we'll take it.

Just the word something. Yeah. All right. That'll do it for the same. episode of the PHL-Aegos podcast. Look forward to hearing much more about that on tomorrow's show, EJ. We'll be back tomorrow at 2 o'clock, unless there's news before then, in which case we'll have an emergency podcast for you. That's all we got. See you tomorrow. Thanks for watching. Thank you, Lindsay. And as always, we love you.