PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Sunday Night Showdown: Nick Sirianni’s Eagles fight for NFC SUPREMACY against Detroit

Episode Date: November 13, 2025

Drama abound with A.J. Brown, Jalen Hurts and the Eagles offense while Jaelan Phillips, Jalen Carter, Nakobe Dean and Quinyon Mitchell are making the Eagles defense look elite, all eyes are on Sunday night’s matchup between the two remaining coaching hires from 2021. Fran Duffy is in the building for an in-depth Eagles-Lions preview with EJ Smith and Bo Wulf, as they also settle in for an exciting round of Swooper. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody, live from the X-O-Y Eagles podcast, presented by Bet-365 and A-S-H-L-E-Y. Ashley Bowulf, Fran Duffy, E.J. Smith here. Plenty to get to on a jam-packed show on a Thursday afternoon. Eagles, Lions, full preview. We've got Swooper coming up with a little bit of controversy. Maybe a new twist to the game. We'll get to all of that. But let's start, E.J.

I know people don't want to just talk about AJ Brown all the time. But he spoke yesterday after you guys had a good conversation on the show with Jamie and Rich yesterday. Tell us what he said. Let's get it out of the way. and then we can move on with our lives. Yeah, I think that AJ Brown probably did the best job he's done all season, like getting out what is the root of his frustration.

I think he's kind of, you know, he's tried a couple of different times to address exactly why he's frustrated. And I think it took like being pretty scathing about where things are at with the Eagles offense and how he factors into that and how he feels about it on Twitch to then come out and just air it out the next day in the locker room. So, yeah, friend, did you do some scouting on Janky Rondo? Uh, no, I, uh, when I was doing guys this week, I, I, I skipped over the janky Rondo, uh, scouting report.

Thank you for too many times, yeah, Janky Rondo had it first. We got to make sure we put that out there, you know. Oh, okay. Janky Rondo, per Janky Rondo. We should be. Oh, had it first. Yeah. Yeah.

Um, what did he say? So I think the, the biggest two, like, uh, comments that he had, he was addressing what he said on the stream, uh, you know, for those who are not familiar. He said the offense was an S show and said that he has been struggling. and that, you know, the highlights on Madner, the only highlights he has... He's very funny. It is, I mean, if you aren't invested in the team, then maybe you find it funny, but... Not a media creation, by the way.

Well, I was going to get to... I was going to get there. Yeah, I'll get to that. So he said that he thinks what he said is fair. If you've got eyes, you can see that. It's the same thing he's been saying all season. So making light of a situation with a friend. When he goes, what have you been?

Yeah, that's so funny. That's something I'm not apologizing for, because if you've got eyes, you can see it. that's me trying to laugh through my situation. I thought this next quote, and I think we have a graphic for this, I believe so, was I think the most, like the best way that he synthesized why he's frustrated. He said, if we're really focused on winning and doing our job, we can't keep slapping the Band-Aid over the defense doing their job and getting us out of trouble. At what point are we going to pick up our slack as an offense and say, we are so great.

And that's what I'm getting at. It's not that I don't care about winning. It's not that I don't care about stats. It's week after week. Sometimes we're not contributing. we're not doing our job on offense. You can't just keep slapping a Band-Aid over that and then expect to win late in the year

and think you're going to go to and think you're going to go to it. It's not going to effing happen. It's not going to happen. Last year is what it is. Thank you for the ring, but it's a new season. They adapt. Thank you for the ring. That was very good.

They adapted and we have to adapt. We have to continue to get better and find new ways and that's where the frustration comes in. So I know there's been a lot of like, I mean, people, like, it's probably the most frequent things, I get asked by fans is like, why is AJ so upset? And I always say, it's like, it's pretty simple. It's his role in the offense and it's the way that the offense looks. And I think he

finally got that out there. The only thing, though? I think it's his usage. I think it is the lack. I think that I do think it's pretty, obviously there's a lot that goes into that. But I think when it really, when you boil it down, it is his usage in the offense and that the offense has not been as productive as he believes it should be. And I think honestly, and we'll get into this too, it's not as productive as a lot of the players think it should be. I'll expand on that. I think so this is the other thing that people ask me a lot, is like how is a locker room responding?

I look this shirt, by the way. Thank you. I've been making the effort the last couple days. You know, you go in quarantine. When you drop at Nordstrom, you get a good tease. Thank you for the compliment. I appreciate that.

So, like, people will always ask me, how does the locker room respond to AJ? And I thought it was interesting, like, yesterday before AJ talked, you know, there's a lot of people waiting around his locker. It's kind of just the nature of the job is that we all kind of have to jostle to get in there. And if you don't, if you're not in position, you're going to get behind the cameras. And then you can't hear him. It seemed like you had good position based on your video.

I really prioritize the yesterday. Usually I am someone to pull the listeners behind my locker room strategy. Usually I'm someone who walks around and tries to catch guys. Yeah, you don't want to be in the scrum. But this was one where I felt like needed to be there. Yeah. Especially because you can't usually hear AJ if you're. on the outskirts.

But before he addressed the media, there were several of his teammates that came up and talked to him and sort of seemed to try and lighten his mood or like, you know, just like it was like they were joking around. They were like kind of trying to make light of the whole situation. And honestly, one of those players was Saquan Barkley, which I think is significant. So, you know, I talked to a few people who were in the locker room yesterday. The Eagles had a late practice and it was a walkthrough. So a lot of guys got out of there really quickly.

But the few players I did talk to, Adori Jackson and Landon Dickerson, I asked both of them. How does the locker room respond to what AJ Brown said on Twitch and kind of like the firestorm that happens on social media afterward? And honestly, Landon Dickerson said he wasn't aware of what AJ said or anything about it until 10 minutes before locker room open. Like, you know, he left, I think he probably left walkthrough and didn't know about it until then. And Adori Jackson, uh, who's someone who's been around, uh, AJ Brown in Tennessee and now obviously with the Eagles. True. He said, we know him as a person. A lot of people. people don't know them as a human being, but they ain't been around or don't have blood,

sweat, and tears. They ain't been in the trenches or come from that same struggle and don't understand the environment. I can't speak for everybody else, but for me, I'm not tripping. So I do think it's an important window into like, like, their, the conversation around AJ Brown externally was like at a fever pitch yesterday. But, and I'm not saying that it's not something that has talked about in the locker room. I do think the reason he does these things is because he wants them to have an impact on the conversations that happen internally. But I also don't think that, like, it is like as much of an, um, an up, an unsettling thing as maybe it seems from the outside.

The, and the, I think it's interesting about it. I was thinking about this this week as well, uh, well, I guess yesterday and to end, to today, um, when you see this around the league, right? When you see these, you know, when it's a wide receiver or a quarterback or, you know, a player that's unhappy in a locker room and you're worried about like the strife that can create typically when there is that strife somebody else like there's another figure whether it's the quarterback or the head coach somebody comes out and says like yeah this isn't right we have to fix this or he can't be saying right you're not seeing you're not seeing that so to me like

that's a good sign that it's not like creating a huge strife in the locker room which is good but there's clearly still an issue and honestly i feel like that in a way it might be worse because i i don't know in terms of let me put it this way if a lot of people are are agreeing with AJ, then what does that mean? Right. If a lot of people are agreeing with AJ, then that means that that's not good for like Jalen Hertz or Nixiria, wherever that, that attention is being poured into. And if that's like, that means a different change might need to have.

You know what I mean? Like it's, it just leads to tough conversations and tough decisions once you get to the It's like, um, it's, let's, it's, it's like they, they went to couples counseling and they're not fixing anything. They've just decided to stay in an unhappy. marriage and everybody else has to just reap the benefits and you know what happens after that we're staying we're staying married until the kids go to college or then after kids but everybody knows that we hate each other yes like right it's not that's not healthy either I do think it is so since

we're talking about the marriage here Jalen Hertz and AJ Brown the relationship that uh is always under so much scrutiny I did find it very interesting like AJ was asked very specifically about the times that he gets open and the times that Jalen has not thrown him the ball and I found it interesting that he defended jalen and presented with that question he said certain plays have different reads despite what it looks like when someone takes a screenshot you can't go off that he has certain reads he has a lot going on in his head and he's trying to process and then he has pressure in his face so that it seemed more to me like what his frustrations were that he was addressing yesterday were more about like the way that he's used in the offense he later said that uh that they

need to do a better job creating for him trying to put him in situations to help and contribute which I think is more about like you know the kind of like the thing we talked about on Tuesday Fran like it took like how long for them to figure out like no they're not shading the coverages to AJ they're shading it to the boundary like those are the types of things where it is like it leaves a lot to be desired and like

featuring one of your star players so putting aside the way that he's messaging this how much do you agree with him from a football standpoint about what the actual message is yeah yeah I honestly I see I see where he's coming I get the frustration

I completely understand it. And, you know, I think the, the volatility of this past game is frustrating. So if I were a member of that offense and someone that was supposed to be the focal point of that past game, yeah, I'd be pretty upset. I'd be pretty frustrated. Hmm. Okay. I find it, I found it to be AJ is probably his best attempt at addressing this.

Like, I think it was probably the most real he's been, which to me, I think it should have come sooner. Uh, probably, yeah. I think the firestorm. I mean, my read on like AJ's, the terrain of AJ this year is like, yeah, he, he tried early in the season to lay it out there and make, have the uncomfortable conversation. It did not yield results quickly. He became apathetic as a result, said, okay, if it, if I can't will this to happen, then

whatever, it is what it is. And for whatever reason, I think that that Packers game, maybe. it was the reaction to the Twitch stream that kind of got him back to being like, all right, I'm going to try to do this. And like, well, it also means he's here now. True. Yeah. So maybe it was a reset. The possibility of not being here. Yeah, it's a great

that's a great point. Maybe before the trade deadline, he's checked out. It's like maybe I'm on my way out of here. And now that he's here and like, you know, they had one of their worst games in the Nick Siriani Jalen Hertz era. Maybe then it's like, all right, we have to get this. Because I did think it was telling when when I asked him last week, if, even though he didn't

play in the game. Yeah. the offense performance against the Giants was more like what he wanted to see because that did look like that kind of offense that we want to see and yeah he didn't even go there so I think this version and that this is probably my biggest takeaway or like my the thing I'll take away from it is like this version of AJ Brown is more encouraging than the one we saw two weeks ago where he is completely checked out totally trying to say the right things and just trying to stay out of out of the way like I think you want him to want to make an impact and I understand like we've had this conversation like devante has been better than a j this year but like the best

version of the eagles offense has a j brown playing his best like a j at the top of his game is a top five i said this on yesterday show a j is a top five receiver when he's at the top of his game what is devante like a top 10 top 15 receiver i feel like the best version of the single's offense revolves around a j i don't know if i agree with that you think that devonte is what a top five receiver when he's at the i just i don't know that i i don't know that i i don't know that a j has top five are in him right now. They're both great players. Yeah, we're not.

They're both great players. I think I agree in that we said it from the from the jump. We were like week one, we were like, is AJ hurt? Like, oh, he doesn't quite. And I think that the, all of this stuff. Yeah. I think that there's a little bit of like the, you know, he's carrying that big chip. That could be, you know, it could be affecting the physical play.

I don't know that he's quite that elite here. But last year he was. I know that he hasn't been a part of. of the offense as much as we want him to be. But how many times this year has he looked that good? Well, the Rams game. Yeah, but the Rams game is still the example I'm going to hold on to. I'm not ready to write off AJ being one of the most dominant players in football when he is

utilized and given the opportunity to do that. And what did Jalen Hurts say about it yesterday? Yeah, so Jalen said he, I actually, so I've got what he said after a few questions because I think it was the most telling. Right. But he did like, you know, say something along the lines of like, you know, I'm focused. on the collective, but AJ's a big part of that. But eventually he said, we've got the Detroit

line, so I'm definitely going to put a halt to that. I think the more we drive that, the AJ conversation, the more of a distraction it becomes, and ultimately it's about the group. But I did have one other Jalen quote. I know we're probably running along here. I had one other Jalen quote

that I found interesting to tie into what AJ was talking about. Like you can't bandaid over the way the offense looks. I'm pretty sure this was after the Broncos game. I'm certain of it. Jalen says certain things don't get you until they get you, and we're obviously in pursuit of our best self in pursuit of growth. I kind of think that is just a repackaged version of what AJ said.

Obviously, more like, more measured, you know, not as inflammatory. But I think they kind of are saying the same thing. Like the offense needs to improve for them to get where they need to go. But are they saying it about the same thing? That's a great question. I think they have the same solutions in mind. Probably not. Yes. Probably not, right?

Probably not. And to your point about the media creation, I mean, there is like, you know, the certain segment of Eagles fan who was, I mean, just substitute one word for another. It's like, I'm so tired of A.J. Brown making drama because A.J. Brown has no idea what A.J. Brown wants. AJ Brown's not listening to A.J. Brown. Like, why would A.J. Brown say that? No. Like, AJ's the one saying it. Stop. Yeah. Having your head in the sand. Even, like, talking to some guys yesterday, they were like, well, the media, like, you guys get paid to, like, have drama and it's like this is about like I said like maybe social media like the conversation on social media is like you know like fervent but I mean I think we said it on yesterday's show like when this stuff came out about like what he said on the Twitch stream like none of us were like oh great like more AJ comment I would personally me personally I'd love to be talking about

Eagles lines right now I've got plenty of notes on the on the matchup which we will get into but no this is it's a real it's a real thing all right yeah unfortunate let's put a bonus then let's move on let's take a quick break we'll come back uh other cleanup from the locker room what vic fangio said earlier today then we'll get into this huge matchup between the eagles and lions on sunday night bet 365 has 90 million users worldwide and live stream over 780 thousand events each year and tonight is a thursday night touchdown which means you can use bet three six five and place qualifying parley bets totaling twenty dollars or more on tonight's game and get bonus bets for every touchdown.

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all right back on a phto white eagles podcast presented by bet 365 and ashley uh vick fan just spoke today the truth teller what do you have to say um my shopper yeah well that's my my favorite thing that he said was uh about when discussing uh jalen phillips and what he likes about him uh he kind of had to be like encouraged to even talk about like why he likes jaylin phillips he kind of thought it was a given uh probably based off the way he played against the packers he says when you shop at nortstrom you get good stuff You were flummoxed by this statement. Well, I just like, in case anybody else's flummox, he said, like, he's alluding to the fact that if you pay a premium price, you get premium stuff.

I am not a great, like, shopper. Like, I don't know a ton about, like, which department stores are nice. I thought Nordstrom was kind of like standard. Am I wrong about that? I mean, Nordstrom's like, bougie? Yeah, I don't shop. I mean, I don't, I don't really shop there either. I mean but I don't shop many places just made for you you're paying where like

where are you shopping he's out of Paris just yeah I like I'm like a brand loyalist so like once I find something that I like I just buy like multiple of them and none of them are really I don't think they're at Nordstrom I you can tell that I'm not I don't put a lot of thought into the shopping experiences how what's like times what's in his life in store then like make to think Vic fan go okay has actually purchased something from Nordstrom. Himself.

Himself. No, it doesn't have to be for himself. But how many times do you think he has been the one to purchase something from Nordstrom? He seems like all he wears is team-issued gear. And like the grout fits, the team-issued grout fits. I mean, he's probably got like one nice suit, but he didn't get that from Nordstrom.

You don't get, do you get a suit from Nordstrom? If you're Vic Finchial, you certainly could. Oh, so they're that expensive at Nordstrom. I have never bought a seat. suit from Norstrom. Neither of I. Not very much. Maybe, maybe something for his, uh, his partner. I feel like, yeah, maybe, maybe when he was the head coach of the, of the Broncos, he had somebody get stuff for him at Nordstrom, but him being the one to purchase, I would put

the over under at one and a half. Yeah, I couldn't see Vic Fangio like in a Nordstrom. Oh, Julia's on top of it. Oh, wow. Oh, so those are like, yeah, really like fancy like brand name suits. Oh, yeah, I could see, I could see Vic in that. Could you? No, absolutely. say you said it's a deadpan yeah i bet vick wore a suit at his broncos introductory press conference and then never again it's my i want to see a introductory press conference uh all right anything else from locker that you want to discuss before we get into this matchup um honestly not too much if you want to put a bow on the fourth down decision um i have sure what jalen said uh it's standard operating procedure in the play it's a play we've made a ton of times and didn't make it that time he pushed

back on the notion that it was a check, but I think we're talking about semantics at this point. I think it's obvious that there was an adjustment at the line, whether it was maybe a function of the play, but still something that the players did pre-stab. So, all right. Well, let's get into this game, which is a monster game for the Eagles and the Lions. And a nice reminder of the vagaries of the head coaching cycle, as we've got Nick Siriani and Dan Campbell ready to square off for, I believe, the third time. Siriani, of course, they blew out the Cowboy or the Blue, blew out the Lions in 2021

after the Flowers conversation. Right. Then the week one game, tight game. We are jail and scrambles a bunch. Yvante gets no targets, first game of 2022. And they haven't played since. And it felt like they were going to play last year. Both in Detroit. Both in Detroit.

So this is their first time in Philadelphia. Let's take a look at the 2021 coaching hires because, boy, what a list this is. Siriani at the top, 55 and 22, six playoff wins, a Super Bowl 714 winning percentage. Dan Campbell, 45 and 31, the lean years in the beginning, two playoff wins. Next, most successful of those seven, Brandon Staley, 24 and 24, 500, Arthur Smith, 21 and 30, Bobby Sala, 20 and 36, David Cully, gets screwed by the Texans, 4 and 13. And your boy. And then, of course, everybody's favorite.

urban mire i thought about wearing my urban shophouse t-shirt thank you today but i decided not to more almost as many a series of assault against no his own players actually if you think about it yeah equal amount of publicly known assaults as a head coach to wins what did you think of brandon saley fran don't answer this imagine seriani had that kind of record i mean that would be a lot of assaults. I don't want to hear what you think of Brandon Staley because I, I mean, come on as a head coach or what? As it like when he got hired by the Chargers?

I'm going to leave it vague because I mean, I feel like as a head coach is like I'm like you're already saying like how did I feel about him when he got hired? How do I feel about him as a head coach? Yeah. I mean, you know, obviously the results weren't great. It's tough because it was a good situation in L.A. Yeah. We had two great players.

but I think that the scheme that he orchestrated there was, I mean, it was really good stuff. I mean, they did a lot there and there's been great reporting about the process behind that. So I'm fine with them as a defense coordinator. I like the Brandon Staley. I kind of like have a soft spot. You fell for the press conference.

Sure is his first year. No, I just thought he then never followed through on. I thought he was an interesting coach in a bad situation. I wouldn't say, I don't know. I mean, I don't. I mean, he had a franchise quarterback. So I guess you're probably right.

I don't know. I just don't think. he was ever he ever acted true to the things that he said were important in the beginning I think he was a bit of a fraud yeah that's fair I mean I still have a soft spot for him as like probably is like he's like he's like he's like Vic Fangio and that he's like a good defensive he's like Vic Fangio he's a good defensive coordinator but probably not a good head coach this is like this is like Justin Fields level take for you he's like he's a good defense coordinator no but you don't know I mean that I mean like he's like overqualified DC not good

enough to be a head coach. I mean, Vic might bust through this door and beat your ass. And his Nortez. That's probably not. Okay. He's like Vangelo. He's not,

he's not, Jonathan Gannon. He's not like Jonathan Gannon. Why? You don't think Jonathan Gannon's a good defensive coordinator. Well, you do.

Actually, I don't know if I do. Beo, boon. Okay. Eagles offense against Lions' defense. Yeah. Take us through, the personality of this lion's defense.

Obviously they have had coordinated changes on both sides of the ball, but I think this was the side of the ball where people were expecting it to not be as big of a deal. You know, you don't lose Ben Johnson. Plus, they had so many injuries last year. You felt like that was going to regress to the mean.

How have they looked to you? Yeah, they've still had some injuries, particularly in the secondary, but this is a fun group to study. I think the big difference that I'm seeing this year, I think they are a little bit more multiple in their pressure looks. Once you get to second and long,

third and long, they do more from a like a funky defensive front standpoint where they have a bunch of guys up in the line of scrimmage or maybe they have double mug fronts or they have a lot of different fronts that they'll throw at you so you have to prepare for that what i find to be interesting though they're number one in the league right now in terms of the slowest average time to throw for opposing quarterbacks. So the coverage, which by the way, like you usually don't see that

from, at least from my recollection, usually don't see that for high volume man coverage team. Right. They are the number one man coverage team in football. That is usually a recipe for giving up explosive plays. We've seen that in years past. That's so interesting. Yeah, usually it's like,

oh, you know, if you play a lot of man, you're going to, it's like feast or famine. You're going to get some big plays, but you're also going to give up some big plays. And also you would think that if you're getting man, the quarterback knows where he wants to throw the ball earlier. Yes.

Right. And so the ball would come out sooner. So it's a really well-coached unit where, you know, let's say they're playing cover one and they're not blitzing. So you've got a single high safety playing zone in the deep middle of the field as a center fielder. And then you've got a defender in the middle of the field playing as a robber, whether it's a safety or if it's a linebacker playing as a whole player.

If there's a shallow cross, the linebacker picks him up and then the slot corner becomes the whole player. The safety jumps the cross and now somebody jumps over. The communication is excellent. Now, I do think a big part of that is the fact that they do not substitute. It is like a Vic Fangio style in terms of like they play, you know, in an ideal world, they play like 13 guys on defense. Okay.

You know, 14 guys in a given game. They don't play a lot of different guys. They live in base defense. They play a lot of a lot of three linebackers on the field. Now, a lot of that has been colored by the fact that they've faced the second highest rate of non-11 personnel so far this year. So they've faced the teams that want to play in multiple tight-end sets. and 60 line. So that has dictated the amount of base, but they definitely have a lot of faith

in those linebackers to play in space, to match up against running backs, to match up against tight ends in man-to-man situations, and hold up in coverage. So it's a fun group, but what's interesting about it too, I mentioned the average time to throw. They have the second longest average time to pressure. They have the second longest average time to sack in the NFL. So it is like they're going to force you to hold onto the football. And then they want those pressure looks to be able to get home. They don't have a ton of guys that are able to win quickly. Aiden Hutchison is a guy that can win quickly. His get-off is actually faster than it's ever been in his entire career. He's flying off the ball and they do. Mostly left side? Okay. Mostly against the left tackle, but they

move him around this year. Like there have been reps. I know he had a pressure last week where he's lined up as a like standing up, basically what the Packers have been doing with Parsons, where they line them up behind the defensive line and just give him a free run. So they're doing more creative things with him in that way. But they play a lot of base. Like, I said, it's a lot of three linebackers that utilize all three of those guys in kind of different ways. You have Jack Campbell in the middle, Alex Anzolone, who's a PA native from a while missing out there at the Harrisburg area. Wow. Why don't it was it? Why I'm missing is that Harrisburg area is it? Yeah. It's right. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Yes. I lived in why I'm missing. Yes. That's

the pagoda. That's it. Yeah. And that's Taylor Swift. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Nordstrom. And then Derek, Derek Barnes and Ross Tucker, of course. And then Derek Barnes says the other, he's the third linebacker with that group. So, yeah, it's a, it's a fun group to study. Like I said, a lot of man, but are they going to play as much man against the Eagles? Well, that's the question. Do you think that they're going to play that way? Because they're not going to just play man, line up and play man most of the game, right?

Even though that's their identity? I don't think they're going to do it the entire time. No. I say this because the Eagles have struggled against zone. Jalen Hertz forever has been. much better against man. Yep. Certainly the lions want to make A.J. Brown frustrated and stick in his own.

Like, I would be, I would be pretty surprised if they, they stick to it. I mean, they'll still do it. I think they'll still do it. I think that they're going to, they're going to try and do, because here's the thing, is that when you look at the way the, the issues the Eagles have had, you know, in terms of like, you know, if the pressure rates and the kinds of pressures that Jalen Hertz gives up, they are late in the down pressures where he's forced to hold on to the football and he's not sure of what he's seeing. And so that's going to be a very interesting, I don't want to say

like cat and mouse, because it might be straightforward that the Lions are just out executing the Eagles, the past game concepts and out executing the receivers and Jalen Hertz and forcing to hold on to the football and then those guys get home. But there's definitely a push pull there in terms of this is what the Lions have done really, really well so far this season against opposing quarterbacks. And that happens to line up with where when the Eagles offense looks as bad as it does, like that's that's the way it looks. It's Jalen holding on to the football. football and not being able to push it down the field. So let's say when the lines do go man, do you think it's, it's AJ Brown?

Where do you think the, the Eagles advantages are? Yeah, I think that it'll be interesting. If they just do decide to go man, you know, they, like I mentioned, they've had injuries in the secondary. So they've, they've been kind of like moving pieces around. Terry and Arnold, who was the other corner in that draft with John Mitchell. He is, he's talented. but very handsy.

A lot of penalties. A lot of penalties the last two years. And then when you look on the other side, it's Ameek Robertson, who they brought in a free agency, who's an undersized corner, has some nickel flexibility, can line up inside and outside.

He's a very competitive player. But if it's A.J. Brown versus A. He should be dunked on him every single chance to get. It's like the conversation we had in that Rams game where it's like A.J. Brown is bigger and more physically imposing than every corner on that Rams roster. It's a similar kind of. So my guess is it would be Terry and Arnold, who is a little bit of a bigger corner trying to match up with AJ.

And then they have Robertson going up against Devante. Now, when they go into nickel, Arthur Millett is like their regular nickel corner. He's more of a bigger, more physical corner in terms of playing on the inside. That'll be interesting to see how they want to try and match up. Look, they took Terry and Arnold and said, yeah, go follow Jamar Chase. And there have been times they've done that. They did not do that with Justin Jefferson. They went up against Minnesota and Justin Jefferson.

A lot of Terry and Arnold's reps came against Addison in that game. So they have definitely mixed and matched the way that they've tried to approach it from that standpoint. I wanted to ask you about those like matchups against the premier receivers. Is it like, do they do they do a lot of cover one double? Do they bracket at all toward the star receiver? Do they really just leave those guys on the aisle? They'll bracket every once in a while, but it's, you're talking at most a couple times in game. It's not going to be something where it's like, oh yeah, like every third down, this is what they.

I would be surprised because just based of what we've seen so far, that's not, that has not been the way that they've operated. We have two quick Eagles news notes that I can sneak in here. Cam Juergens, according to Tim McManus, is practicing for a second straight day. He has a brace on his right knee. And the Eagles signed Titus Leo to the practice squad and released Ambrie Thomas. Tough.

What are you laughing at before? Julia's reaction to you saying Gravy. I mean, she just like couldn't. I didn't know I had a reaction. I didn't say it once on. I know. I guess I always have a reaction. working on it.

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So I'm over at Janky Rondo's house last night. He's pumped to play some madden, watch some football. But his setup was a total mess. Lacking buffering and switching between apps, trying to find the game. He claimed he was a big fan, but I felt like I was fan-fished. See, if you call yourself a football fan, you have to have Xfinity. It's the ultimate sports destination. I can find the best games of my favorite teams all in one place,

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Like their past defense, they've been top quartile by almost any minute. Patrick, what do we expect from them on that front? They do not miss tackles. They are one of the best tackling teams in football. You feel that when you watch them, and the numbers spell that out. They've allowed just five runs of 15 plus yards, which is one of the best in the NFL, one of the fewest numbers in the NFL.

Just 88 yards rushing allowed after mistackles this year, according to next gen stats. They are the only team under 100 yards in that category. They've got an 8.2% mistackle rate best in the NFL, according to the next gen stats. So, yeah, this is a team that has been very sound with their run game. They're stout up front. You know, I mentioned that they'll get into these different sub-packages, but the fact that they live in base defense, those guys, all three of those linebackers are really good against the run.

And then you've got Aline McNeil who's good against the run inside a defensive tackle. They drafted Tileak Williams, a defensive tackle from Ohio State in the first round this year. He's a good run defender. It's a really sound group up front. Alain McNeill. We're going to have to redo that. All right. Please don't.

We'll do it again. Come back to his, Julie. I'll sell it more this time. Hey, E.J. Aleem McNeil. Oh, for the real heads. So given all that, yeah. I mean, we know how the Eagles have wanted to play this year.

What do you expect their game plan to be? I'm fascinated to hear what we're friends about to say. I have no idea. I mean, look, I think to me, going up, against this defense, I would try and win on the perimeter with AJ and Devante and say like our guys are better than your guys and try and beat them in that way. This has not been an offense has been able to run the football and you're going up against one of the best run defenses in football. If they were to come out and consistently like look, they're, they're going to try and run

the ball. I'm not saying that you know, just completely abandoned Saquan Barkley and the rushing attack, but this, this can't be a conservative game plan. We'll get into the other side of the ball and why That can't be the case, but you can't go in and you're not going to win this game scoring 13 points. You've got to be able to outdule them and outscore this team. And you're going to do that throwing the ball against this defense. What's your confidence rating in the Eagles being able to do that, not doing it, but being able to play that way? Well, the other fascinating part of it is that, you know, Jalen Hertz has been the most productive deep ball thrower this season, you know, in terms of like completions and touchdowns and like pass a rating. like he's been one of the best in football that way that's so much of it has been vertical

throws this is a defense that does not allow explosive plays they're doing it at one of the best rates in football this year and so there's that's another like push pull like uh you know when push comes to shove kind of thing here sure with this matchup where uh it's a defense that doesn't allow explosives you have an offense that lives by the explosive and hasn't been able to sustain drives like they've been really bad on third down for most of the year all the three and out stuff we've talked about this so if you're not hitting on those explosives if you get into third down and then you're conservative in the run game and you have four cowards draws

in an afternoon. Like, to me, I don't feel good about that part of it. So, yeah, I think they need to lean into the volatility and say, yeah, like we are going to be a pass first team in this one and we are going to try and win the matchups on the boundary. Yeah, I don't think that, I mean, it's not like they shouldn't be looking for explosives.

The Packers were the best defense in football last week in not surrounding the room. The Eagles still got three. And, you know, two of them were just because their guys were good. Yep. And we talk about this all the time. I know that this is a pet peeve of Danez's. But that game was like, can we just get Sequin the ball as a receiver a little bit more?

Yeah, I agree. Right? Like if we can't find a way to get A.J. Brown and Devante Smith open, let's at least get him into mismatch, right? They ran that wheel route that we talked about where they were hunting them explosive with him. But I think that they clearly can do more with that. That's certainly something where, again, if you're not going to be scripting stuff for AJ, like, all right, Well, let's find ways to be able to get the ball to Sequin and to Dallas and the rest of those guys as well. I came into this week, like, feeling a little bit more optimistic because it's like, well, you know, Packers are a zone heavy team. Lions are a man heavy team.

Maybe they switch it up a little bit, but like it is, like there was reason to believe the Eagles should be able to be successful against that type of defense. But when you really dive into the numbers, it's like, ah, like, you know, they don't give up a lot of explosives. The Lions defense is a lot better, like, in terms of like a success rate team. like, you know, they're, they're good at keeping teams behind the sticks. And it's just like, I don't know, the more you get into the matchup, the less confident, at least for me, the less confident I felt about the Eagles offense figuring out a way to be a pass heavy offense against this team. Dan Rolovsky yesterday posted on social media was a clip of one of these like unique

sub package fronts from the Lions where it's like, oh, yeah, a bunch of guys standing up. And he just put, it was a screen grab. And he just said, good luck figuring out who is the pressure guy and where. And I just, I reposted it and I said, Eagles will see a lot of this on Sunday night. So many responses to this thing. We're like, oh, they're just going to run down the lines, throw it. In what reality have we seen this offense been able to do that this year? Like we have not seen them when they have not played the Giants,

they have not been able to run the ball with consistency this year. It's just for whatever reason, you know, maybe that maybe that can change. And it's possible that it does. But going up against the team that has been really good against the run, I would say it's unlikely in this matchup. That's what's confounding about this year's Eagles team is like, you are basically like accounting for at all times, the fact that they are one of the most talented and expensive offenses in the NFL.

And like, could you, like, could I see a world where AJ Brown has like 12 catches for 180 yards or something like that? Like, sure, he's a really good player. But like, I don't know when that's going to happen. I don't know if it's going to happen. So you're kind of like hoping for like the get right game without any real indication as to this being the week it's going to happen. did you guys see that the NFL filed agreements against the NFL PA to stop the team report cards I have a funny sir really I just saw that so that's hilarious that's really funny Michael bidwell like oh they said my carpet was dirty

please sir tell them that's mean um they I think the reason the timing for this culture they won't let me get away with not having a nursing room for the wives of players like is there any billionaire in the world that will accept any consequence

for anything they've ever done no they the timing of this is interesting because the QR codes were in the Eagles locker room yesterday for the player poll that's why that's Oh, did you, did you use it?

I had to give it a spin. I didn't see if it worked. The security for them, maybe I shouldn't be saying this because it'll help the owners, but the security for them is really bad. Like, I can totally fill it out if I want to. I'm not going to because that would be the wrong thing to do. But, I mean, you can just fill it out. Like, it asks you, like, a couple of questions about, like, who you are.

Like, not who specifically you are, but, like, you know, are you a rookie, are you a veteran? What position do you play? Are you in the practice? We're going to need to cut this. We're going to need to cut this. I don't want. want, I don't want them using this and getting these things whacked.

Well, you know, maybe they verify it by the end because I didn't fill it. I did not. Oh, okay. All right. Maybe you have to verify it at the end. I'm sure you do. Yeah, definitely. Definitely.

Julia, just fantastic craft core work from you. NFL report cards are mean. I mean, that it's so ridiculous. Oh, that's, I didn't. I did not fill it out. I think what it probably is is like this is a thing that, you know, they can add to the long list of things to get negotiated. and then like, okay, well, we'll let you have this

and instead we'll keep a little bit more money. I will say, I mean, maybe it's just the fact that the team hasn't been good this year. The fact that you went on a billionaire rant and you didn't do one Josh Harris face. A little bit of an upset. Josh Harris says a few other things to worry about. In the news these days.

All right, let's take our last break here and then come back on the other side, talk about this interesting lion's offense. and whether or not they can afford to deal with someone who shops at Nordstrom. Speaking of that, Eagles defense, you know who else is playing championship level?

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is too busy to get him the ball because he has to drop red zone targets for Goddard. They have been, like, noticeably more creative in the red zone than literally anywhere else. I agree with that. I've been very good in the red. I mean, you're super's benefiting from it. Yeah, I'm complaining.

Yeah. Joe Rockhead. I just drove by the training facility and seen Jim Murphy running out crying. Who's Jim Murphy? I was hoping you guys went now. Jim. Jim Murphy. Oh, he's in her excellence guy.

Last year. Ah, that's right. I knew the name's right. That's right. Okay. I figured he was in some movie I haven't seen and that I should have been aware. That's a literal Jim Murphy from last year. It's the fifth beetle.

Jim Murphy. I wonder E.J. Hands him. All right. Lions offense. Yep. Also, very good. Very good. In DVOA.

First, in EPA per dropback. Also good in the run game. Here we go. 10th in EPA per rush. Now, they've got some explosives in here because the rush success rate is 24th, but 10th in EPA per rush. But the passing game has been nails this season. what do you see well big change this week because even though these numbers have been good have been as good as they have been uh they made a change of play caller where dan campbell took

over the play calling from john morton as we talked about yesterday or yeah very shrewd to do it ahead of the commanders i like i mean a phrase she's like give me that but here's the thing is that everybody's pointing to like oh like look at the difference in numbers it is thrown off by the fact that you played against one of the worst defenses in football but schematically. It's like, all, what are some of the things they change in terms of their overall approach? Number one, a lot more motion. 57% of their plays used motion. That was the highest rate in any game this year, the second highest in the Dan Campbell era. They were at just under 39% motion rate. So there was a pretty significant jump in last week's game against

Washington. Some of the other things before this, before this game, they leaned into a lot of 12 personnel. There were a lot of like regular like two tight end sets, two receivers, one running back on the field. They've really toned that down and they leaned a little bit more into jumbo like go 6-0 line, but then they play a lot more out of 11. And so you get all three receivers out in the field at one time. They did more play action as the game went on. You know, you saw a lot of that. So there were there were definitely some changes in the look and feel. This is an explosive offense. Jamir Gibbs is lightning in a bottle. You've got Amun Rahsa, St. Brown, who is extremely dependable and you can work inside and work outside. They're very creative with his usage.

And then you've got Jameson Williams, who had his best game of the year last year. The big thing with him was that they were utilizing his speed as primarily a deep threat in the first like eight weeks. And since the by week, they had a week eight by. The last two games, a lot of it, they still use him downfield, but they're getting him targets closer to the line of scrimmage and just let you go run. He had the explosive off the shallow cross on a catch and run play against man-to-man coverage against Washington last week. So they are trying to find ways to be able to get those playmakers the football.

It's a big test. You think Quignan follows Jameson Williams? I think he's more likely to follow Jameson Williams than Amman Raus St. Brown. Look, because he'll be inside. I think most of his work comes inside. So you feel good that that's probably Cooper DeGine. The whole, like, nickel situation is going to be very interesting this week because do you feel as confident if that's Michael Carter again?

Because usually it's like, oh, like Quinnion, no, he doesn't need to follow the other guy inside because you got Cooper Jean in there. But are you going to feel as good like throwing Michael Carter first game in the scheme and saying, yep, you've got to take Amundra St. Brown. Oh, I feel like this is a very easy decision. Yeah, I think it's a very jack. Actually, I think it's, I think it's Cooper's inside covering Amon Ross St. Brown. Q is on Jameson Williams and Adoria's got whoever else.

So there was a question I think Vic was asked about this today, right? Where he was asked, you know, how does Michael Carter and his, his inclusion, you know, affect your usage of cooper he was like it might like it was like a very like vague answer i thought that was interesting he also kind of downplayed michael carter as a safety he said that he thought michael that nickel is his best position obviously he loves to publicly contradict something than how he says yeah it's like one of his favorite things to do um one thing that is interesting this was this was a number i saw uh yesterday yeah it was very good um they have feasted against bad defenses uh so they are four

And this is against the bottom 10 scoring defenses they face so far on the schedule. 4 and 0 with 42.8 points per game against everybody else, they are two and three. That points per game gets cut in half. They're down to 22 points per game against everybody. Not just like all the top 10 defenses, like everybody else that's not in the top 10 or in the bottom 10. They have not been nearly as successful. I would say the big thing when I'm watching Jared Goff. The best version of this past game is like one, two, three, ball out.

ball out ball out top of his drop it's got to be out hey ball the ball has got to be out like four people are going to think that's really funny um that's why we do the show um i think when you're looking at uh at this past game the longer you can make jared goff hold on to the football the better uh he is the he's getting blitzed the sixth highest rate this year and 10 typically when he if he gets blitzed he wants to again wants to get the ball out fast if you find my hot route get the ball out i think the teams are doing it because they are trying to force him to get off his spot so he does not get the ball out quickly and try and hold it the longer he'll onto it the better it is for the defense look the eagles have been really really good against quick throws under fangio because this team has been such a good tackling team they know where the hot routes are they're able to kind of take that first read away i think that's going to be one of the big goals of this Vic Fangio defense here on Sunday night is going to be take away that first

read, force him to hold on to the football, and let that rush get home. If that rush is able to be as effective as they were the other night against Green Bay, I think that that's a good sign for this group moving forward. I usually think that there's too much of this, but deep in my bones, I don't think that Jared Goff wants to play in cold weather. Yeah. I mean, there's, there's historical evidence. Do we know what the weather is? On Sunday night, it'll be a night game on Sunday night.

It's going to be. Oh, that's not good. Yeah, two miles, yeah. Yeah, windy. Oh, come on. Well, 17 mile an hour gust. It's not nothing.

No. Kind of it. You're going to have. Okay. Rest of the season. I was going to ask this. Oh, no. You're talking like,

like talent. Like I could just pick one. to run with i was going to ask if jimier gives is he a top blank running back in the NFL like what what's the number for you he's really good he's really good um i take to me just for the season just for this season i'm not counting age in this offense with jalen yeah it's tough i probably still lean sequoan Okay, but I don't, I don't feel like, what if you're building an offense, like offensive agnostic? You have to start with the running back.

Just for this year. So again, taking agent account. I would say still, I would, I would say, Sequin. Okay. Gibbs is awesome. Yeah. Gibbs is awesome. When he goes in the past game, I talked about how explosive he is.

The knock on him before was that, oh, like, he's a space player, like everything's perimeter run, perimeter run. He's running at the highest rate in between the tackles. this year, so downhill between the tackles, and he's been the second most effective running back between the tackles this year. So it's not just, oh, like, he's doing it at a higher rate. He's also been very productive when doing so. He's only behind Jonathan Taylor in that metric. So, you know, the big thing, honestly, and this might also feed into the blitzing numbers as well. This was a number I was looking into because it occurred to me as that because one of the things

I do when I'm watching teams now is like, I'll watch like the last like game or two and then let me just watch different cutups. So I'll watch like pressures and I'll watch explosive plays. whatever. So I was watching all of the times when Jared Gough was pressured. It felt like the running backs were at fault a number of times. So this is from my notes. I would do whatever you can to keep the running backs in for protection, try and force those guys to stay in. Detroit running backs have the fifth highest knockdown rate in the NFL. That's from PFF. So not a pressure rate, though, a knockdown rate. And Gibbs has allowed the second most pressures, nine, among all NFL running backs, and also keeps him from being out in space.

If you're able to show pressure looks and try and keep him in, then that's also as a win for the defense as well. David Montgomery, he's also got three pressures a lot. So, you know, the running backs have struggled in pass protection. So if you're able to, you know, utilize those linebackers and force those guys to stay in and you're doing that with those overloaded fronts that we talked about, those tilted fronts, that's a recipe for success. What is knockdown rate?

I think it's when the quarterback gets, it's a quarterback hit rate. I think that's, I think that's more meaningful than pressures. It's not subjective. Okay. So when running back stay in? So yeah, it's basically it's like knock down rate

is like when the quarterback gets knocked down. Okay. But I specifically said when it's credited towards the running back. I see. I see.

Okay. Feels a little janky rondo to me. Just saying. I think their general point stands. I'm sorry. I will only use metrics that you have previously approved before I do I like.

Thank you. By the way, everybody, check out the latest episode of the All-City NFL Draft podcast with Fran. Great conversation with Mike Mayak, General Process stuff. And then my favorite part I told you was there's a point in there where I think you get a little bit of like insight into Mayock like running a room. Because it calls you to account for something. So he won't let you sit on the fence.

He wants to know what you really think. Yeah. It was, it was, honestly, it was a lot of fun. It was a great conversation with Mike, you know,

and someone that I've known now for a while. And he's, yeah, it was great. Honestly, it was one where a lot of the guests I'm going to bring on that show, it'll be like,

oh, let's talk about this player, this player, this player. This one, I was like Mike. Every green. Yeah, hey, like maybe we'll talk a couple of players here and there,

but I just want to pick your brain about process and we'll hit record. and it was a lot of fun so get that wherever a podcast can be found go ahead and check that out and now that we've made it to 259 i can tell you we've got more to come in overtime you didn't like that one no you didn't like to push the chips all in yeah what was that was yeah what was that was i don't know i just said i didn't plan it i just did it it was It was bad. I mean, it's not the worst you ever, but. It's not E.J. Time.

I think go back to the drawing part, I don't think. It's not E.J. Ty. We want to do this? No. There's a lot of bad things you can do. I don't know how you got from that to that. All right. Anything else on this stuff is that's this matchup that is intriguing.

I don't want to throw any metrics that you're going to disapprove of in the, uh, poop, so you can try it again. This is the environment you created here. Now, like, Fran is doing a great job. breaking this down. It's a safe space. And now he, no,

it's not. It's literally the opposite of a safe space. Um, let's see. Gibbs has 329 yards before contact. That's the second most in the NFL. Oh,

well, who establishes contact. Well, yeah. Um, actually that one I think is pretty fair. Yeah. No,

when contact happens. Wide receivers are all very good as block. The line, uh, the line is a good. It's a good, it's a guy. I mean, Penny stool is one of the best right tackles in football. One of the best tackles,

pure tackles in football. I shouldn't even say that. really good in the run game he's been this is his best he's been in the past game this year I think when you're looking at Tate Ratlidge the rookie right guard second round pick he's a pure like he's like Landed Dickerson

like pure power movement player they have a new center in Glasgow who shifted over from guard last year he's fine like perfectly fine he's not a you know like a hyper athletic center but he's you know kind of meat and potatoes like win at the point of attack player Coyote I Washika

yeah baby left guard was he what was he like camp crush number three no it was a little bit later than that four or five okay so because it goes is d'andre carter there's sua there's elijah riley before him what was before coyote oh yeah yeah yeah because i i was it's been around i was on the beat yeah wow um vangelo said this is the best so line in the league so that surprised you wow shots fired it's pretty it's pretty strong um um I would I don't know that I would personally would say that it's the best but it's a top it's top 10 group for sure and you probably tell me that it's like top five or six and I would feel like I feel good about that yeah yeah yeah just going up against some of the other staff is because they got a lot white guys like with the quarterbacks yeah right yeah you're like he likes like the feisty white quarterbacks um yeah but they love tate ratledge a ton a ton of end breakers in the offense you know and goff is targeting him at the higher at a high rate they love the work the middle of the field obviously

Obviously, a lot of that is Amon Ross St. Brown. A lot of that is Sam Leporta as well, the tight end working down the middle of the field. In the red zone, you've got to be alert for Amin Raus St. Brown. He's got a target share of 40.5 percent, 40.5 percent of Jarragov's throws go towards Amon Raus St. Brown when they're in the red zone, which, by the way, is any play that's within the 20-yard line, just for clarification. They love utilizing him tight to the formation in the red zone. He's being used at a very high rate down there. I think everything else I hit on.

Yeah, it's a good offense and reason to believe that their best and most productive football could be ahead of them given some of these changes we've seen in the last week or two. Do you think the Eagles stick with the rotation of linebacker? Or does this game make you feel like oh, this is more of a jihad game

or this is more of a Nekobi game? I think that they present enough challenges that you can make the case for either one because you say, oh, they want to run the ball. This is going to be a Nekobi day, but they also can throw out a lot of these sets and you've got Laporta and you've got these they they are that was one of the things that did stand out it was like the first couple drives of this game against Washington and it

wasn't just like oh like 12 personnel it was they go 11 and then they go 12 and then they've got a pony package and then they've got 6-0 line like they were bouncing around it was what I loved about what the Eagles did a couple weeks ago into the Giants it was very similar to that where they were very multiple in their different personnel groupings okay it's a fun group it's a good offense I as I felt really good about last week's matchup like oh and I was like man I think the Eagles like match up really well against the Packers. I felt good about this one. Yeah, I don't feel as strongly

and as convicted about an Eagles W here this weekend. Okay, good to know. Everybody ready. I got to get the abacus. Go ahead. I was just kind of like strategically. That's fine. I'll see if I've got anything else here.

Maybe we should, for a swooper, we should get a camera to follow you. Yeah. You can hit on your cell phone now. Oh, that's fun. Should we talk about something that's gone? Who cares? Actually, we have a couple of super chats.

Oh, yeah, that's right. I did see that come through. Super chat from Musa says, why does it feel like the Eagles org has been so bad at developing internal coaching talent since Andy Reid left? I don't know if that's fair. I mean, they've had a bunch of guys hired a way

to become head coaches. Yeah. I think this is I mean like close to this there's you know I think we know why Chip didn't develop anybody

Doug had Frank leave other other people ascended to coordinator there hasn't been like like from a quality control to a head coach that is true

yeah but it's also a little early for that but they're Nick yeah they also haven't been I guess it's hard to it's hard to delineate between like a homegrown coach you don't get the quality control

to head coach unless you've been somewhere a while so that's fair yeah yeah I mean they're not going to turn around a QSito head coach in the last in four years right they and they've also had like a number of veteran coaches like they're right where it's not like they're they are established already right like you know Tim Schwartz Vic Fangio I think that is a bigger problem that was a bigger problem frankly for Andy Reid at the end of his ego question it is a harder thing to do when you are out of place for a very long time yep I don't think we've yet gotten to the point for Nick Siriani where that has

had to be important also considering the people who he tried to make happen were let go and then how he had to step in so yeah okay go birds XTL says besides Jalen Carter which Eagles defensive lineman is most likely to get an extension in the offseason

so you got Jordan Davis who is entering the fifth year option Nolan Smith who will be eligible Jalen Phillips who is scheduled to be a free agent and Amoro Ojamo who is now eligible he says he would sign Ojima I think a good question. Can we store crank?

Yeah. If you're playing percentages, I think Ojamo is one. Oh. Well, it's just like... I think I'd have them three. Really? So you'd have... Not that I would do it.

I was saying what you would have no probability is. And then Davis. I think Davis is most likely just because of the... I don't want him to be entering the final year of a deal. And you can push money. You can change the cap number

by signing him. I think Davis is mostly letting him sit on the fifth year option. You could talk me to Davis but I do think it's one of the detackles. I think that the, like, the Nolan. Do you think there's a chance that they sign both Davis and Ojamo? Commit real money to both?

It depends on how much Ojamo is going to go for. I think Ogimo is probably the easier of the two to sign, too. I think I think that he's better than the guy who just signed like a $1 million deal. Yeah, but that's because I know Ball and not everybody knows about Moro Ojimo yet. He's not everybody knows about Moro Ojamo yet. like I don't think I don't think he's going to come in at the deal that Milton Williams had years of production to prove it yeah yeah I don't well listen this

is the there's also we've talked about they I feel like they could have signed Milton Williams before last year so it is like they don't want to repeat the same mistake potentially but I don't know how much of a discount you're getting on morrow if Jalen Carter if the second half of Jalen Carter season is like what the first half is I would anticipate they're gonna they're gonna extend him but what is that extension going to be as big as what we thought. Yeah, I think that goes to our, the game we played last week about the most at stake for the second half of the season. Yeah, I think there's like probably like a 12 or 13 million

dollar a year annual, like annual value that he has at stake this year because like I think you framed it well. It's it's the difference between maybe he becomes the highest paid defensive tackle versus maybe he becomes the highest paid defensive player. I think you I think personally I think that's gone. I don't think that's I don't think that happens. Highest paid defensive player. I think you probably right yeah yeah I mean unless he has an absolutely lights out season but right like I think I still think he resets the defensive tackle market right now do you think there's any it's like 31 million for Chris Jones probably probably just because of his age and potential do you think there's a chance that they hop on Nolan Smith the same way that we expect them to

hop on Jalen Carter and sign him to a real extension right away the injuries yeah I'm worried about that If you're basically evaluating your two injury-prone edge rushers right now for the second half of the season. That's why I don't think they can be high on a historic ranking because it's like 50-50. I know that Nolan is, I mean, he's younger and he's been here longer, but maybe you do talk yourself into Phillips over Nolan in the off-season. It's interesting.

Yeah. Luis says, according to the media, the offense looks like Jalen wants it to look. Do you guys think that if McKee played with a better playbook, The offense could be top five. That's a great question. Top five. I don't.

I think there are two answers here. One is that I do think that there are people in the building who are very curious to know what the offense would look like. Yes. With Tanner McKee. Yep. Two is that I don't know that I think top five might be a stretch, but I do believe it would look different. Would look different and there is a good chance that would be productive. I think it's hard to say.

more productive. I think that's a very strong statement. But I will say non-zero, non-zero chance. I don't, it's not zero. I think it's like we should qualify that five turkey. Like you're saying like five. I'm not saying he's like no third. I'm saying in a short sample I think there is a I think yes. Because of the talent around yeah of course of featured more in that but like hypothetical scheme and he might turn the over more but I think would see I would think you would see that wider variance. But this is why like the the Jalen Hertz conversation is so fascinating. That's not an anti-jailant take. It kind of is. It is. I think the because I remember I'm sure he wouldn't mind me saying this. I remember Sheel and I, Schill and I

having this conversation, we were golfing last year at some point and we were talking to well, you know, we were talking through it. It was during it was during the fall last year. I think it was during the Eagles by week maybe. And it was just we were talking about quarterbacks around the NFL. And it was like, man, like, if you took any other quarterback and you plopped them into this situation, like, what would it look like? And it's, it's tough to know. And when you have Tanner McKee, like, it's, it is fascinating. Well, we know that it would look different. I mean, last year, it looked different.

It looked different. They had a week to game plan and the offense looked completely different. Not even, you know, results wise, but just the playbook. This is truly overtime, by the way. We're having this Tanner McKay conversation. Pat Fenas. Losing wouldn't be a huge. deal, but a 2023-9ers-esque blowout would certainly be.

I can actually, that's actually, now that you speak in existence, Pat, that is not impossible in this game, I feel. That's a really. That is a thing. That's a good point. But, and you know what that led you? They've got, they've got Vic Fangio now. The worst decision, I was, you were sitting in the chair for that, uh, for that speech, no?

I don't mean, the chairs will look the same. Well, yeah, but you were sitting at the here. Yeah, all right. They've got Vic Fangio now. That's the... That's true. That's the big difference. Yep.

Eddie Poe. Do you think he's related... You think it's Eddie A. Po? Right? Is that where... For us going for... Yeah, maybe. Real rooting...

The fire's a year for? Oh, man, I really miss that. That's bad for us, yeah. Better get comfortable. Eddie says, man, I really miss Kellyn Moore. How much do you think he misses Philly? Nola is bad. I don't know if he misses Philly.

Yeah, I feel like given the, given the drama, I can't imagine he misses it that much. And they got great food down there in New Orleans. Oh, shots fired at Philly Food Scene. Oh, no, I'm not saying. I love the Philly food scene. I'm saying that I wasn't talking about him missing the city. I think he is happy where he is at in terms of like jobs, offenses that he's in charge of, level of scrutiny. How's your boy, Tyler Shuck looking?

I mean, you know, not bad last week. I think it was Anthony's show. They were, like, like, arguing about how to pronounce his name. And, like, they were, like, mad that it was pronounced the way that it is. I'm mad it's pronounced that we do, but that is how it's pronounced. Yeah. It doesn't make any sense. I haven't grinded through the Saints passing game film, but for what I understand, like, there were some good stuff.

In what other word in the English language is O-U-G-H-spelled U-K, or pronounced U-K? Careful. We are in overtime. Oh, that's a knuck of that. That was bad. I don't like that. Tuck Acton to Nactin. Free advertising.

All right. Let's get to our swooper sore casting results. Heading into last week, EJ had the lead with three and a half points on the season. Two and a half for me. Two for Fran. Here's how it went last week. Fran, four items. Jalen Hertz finishes the game with a net zero turnover differential.

And we should take a minute to explain how wild it was. that you spoke into existence of crazy play in college football that now. Unbelievable that we talked about this last week on Friday show. And literally Friday night, USC is playing and their quarterback throws an interception and then goes to force a football on the return. Just unbelievable that that happened. Fissionary did not hit in this game, though.

No, it doesn't count. Yeah, that's a count. The Eagles outscore the Packers in the second half did hit. The Eagles gained more than 191 yards from plays under center. Definitely did not hit in this game. And then the Eagles win by more points than the total. number of Turkey's bid on this item, which was 11. They won, but only by three. So one hit for Fran.

E.J., the record for longest field goal in the NFL history is broken this week. Did not happen, although you do keep that for this week. That might be made until next year for that one. The Eagles do at least of one of the following things. Force of turnover on special teams. Get a three and out on the Packers' first possession.

Intercept Jordan Love three times. Get two Nolan Smith sacks. Get two Nicobi Dean tackles for loss. did not hit. The broadcast shows a picture of Jalen Hertz and or Carson Wentz at Lambeau Field in 2020

did not hit. Jalen Hertz and A.J. Brown celebrate a touchdown together on the field. Boy, wouldn't that have been nice? Did not happen. Do you think if that last play hit on fourth down that they would have celebrated together? Probably not.

No, but I don't think so. Jalen Hertz accounts for more total touchdowns and fewer turnovers than Jordan Love. Did not happen. So you didn't hit anything. However, you had the, the leftover that's still in your pocket, the Eagles remain 100% on the season

and touchdown rate in goal to go situations that did happen. Just a really bad collection of items for me there. Maybe it was COVID brain. Maybe I can blame it on my quarantine mindset. No?

Maybe not. I mean, listen, I'm in the lead. I'm playing well. So you guys are tied at one. Bo, three items. The either team, runs a tush push on the opening drive that did hit now i what go ahead go ahead no what when when it was run on the on the packers one yes and it wasn't a tush push it was just a quarterback snake i know so ready to come in

we were all gearing up for that fight we were all geared up to that fight thank god with the eagles then ran a touch we were all ready for that brandon graham records a quarterback hit tackle for loss fumble recovery or draws us holding penalty huh very close very close very close very close Did not happen. Yeah, that tackle for loss. Oof. Yeah, it's very close. And then at least one,

but not all of the following things happen. Jalen Phillips has at least a half sack from the inside. Nope. A kickoff is out of bounds. Nope. Darius Cooper catch. Nope. Pass attempt by anyone in the game other than Jordan Love and Jalen Hertz.

Nope. And a red zone turnover. Now, no. Let's discuss. Nope. No. Let me just explain. Go ahead.

What happened? Yeah. He goes to have third and eight. Just outside of the red zone. From what yard line was it? 22, something like that. Oh, it's important. It's an important distinction.

Let me finish. Jalen Hertz runs the ball, has possession of the ball, inside the red zone, fumbles it away. At the 14-yard line, Packers get the ball. Now, should that count? Is it a red zone turnover? The turnover happened in the red zone. you guys can make a case if you want and then i'll tell you what the ruling is if you were to look up you made an absolutely ridiculous argument on text but go ahead

if you were to look up if the eagles had a red zone turnover in the game what would the stat sheet say what would the box score say no if jalen hertz was on the 24 yard line and he threw a ball into the end zone and it was intercepted it would not count That is completely different. That's completely different because there is no turnover in the end zone. They don't have possession of the ball in the red zone or the end zone. Come on. It is.

Okay. That's completely different. If he threw it and it was, uh, hmm, trying to think of the right example of this then. Uh, well, catching around would be the same thing as a run. No, it's absolutely. It's just not. You haven't let any rule yet. As someone who any time someone brings up the thought of a.

pressure or some other stat and it's not official, you clutch onto every earmuffs, every freaking pearl you have in your possession and say, oh, it's a false comparison. Those two things have nothing to do with each other. In the box score, it's not a red zone turnoff.

The fumble happens on the 14 yard line. In the box score, the Eagles had possession at the 22 and they did not count as a red zone possession. Actually on the box score say he fumbled at the 14? Yes, it's where the fumble happens. I don't believe you. Have you ever looked at a box score before?

Jalen Hurts carries the ball eight yards, whatever it is. You can look it up. Here's what the ruling is. It says where it's recovered. It doesn't say where he's fumbled. Yes, it does. Because it says how many yards he runs for. That does say where, come on.

That doesn't help you, though. Here is the ruling. Well, how do you get to rule on this yourself? There is a, there is a pedantic difference between a red zone, turnover and a turnover in the red zone because the red zone is as you say codified as the snap happens from the one to the 20 if the proposal had been the eagles have a turnover in the red zone this would have counted the eagles had possession in the red zone and then turn the ball over same for a catch and run however i looked back i was hoping to be able to argue this you know i keep

swooper on the up and up there is no shenanigans here and I said red zone turnover by the rules this is not a red zone turnover I don't get the point how noble of you just wasted five you're welcome and so it's a three-way tie

so E.J you are now at three and five six I'm at two in five six and Fran you are at two and one six. It's going to be so easy to track this moving forward.

You're the points if you want, but... How many turkeys do I have this week? You have 21 turkeys. Okay. Fran has 25 turkeys. I have 33 turkeys. I go first this week. And I'm very excited.

I've been thinking about this for weeks until the chance I had to go first in Super. So I'm very excited about this first proposal. The first proposal is... the first item up for bid. The Eagles final score is an odd number. You say, well, that sounds so interesting, but that is not the only thing up for bid now.

Whoever wins this item also receives. The Eli Ricks card. What is the Eli Ricks card? Oh, my God. Well, here is the Eli Ricks, of course, has been a... Oh, Jesus. has been a part of nine transactions for the Eagles this year.

Drop from the practice squad. Add to the practice squad. Drop from the practice squad. The Eli Ricks card. If you own the Eli Ricks car, the Eli Ricks card can be played at any point following a concluded bid to exchange this item, meaning the one that is up for bid, the Eagles finished with an odd point total, for the opposite result of a bid won by somebody else. So if, yeah, it's a head-to-head challenge, if you win the, the ball hits the logo, I can play the Eli Ricks card and swap out mine for you're not going to win that item, essentially. And of course, I've thought about all the ramifications of this.

Of course you have, and none of us have. So now you come in with disadvantage, having thought about this, for weeks apparently, and we have to make a call. I have to think about in minutes. What makes it fair? And so I have gone out of my way to make it so that I cannot take advantage of this by having the knowledge beforehand. Some of the rules here.

One, you have to play the Eli-Rx card before the next item goes up for a bit. So you can't wait until the end and say, okay, this is the least likely one to hit. I'm going to play my Eli-Ricks card on this one. Okay, so you have to play it right away once an item is scheduled. Can we get the rules again? Number two. and this is this goes against this is to guard against the nefariousness

the Eli Ricks card cannot be played on an item submitted by the person who has the Eli Ricks card so I can't just say you can't have a bogus entry in there right to play on myself and you also cannot play it on an item one by yourself to thereby guarantee yourself a point you would have done that too I just I made it so that I can't

now use of the Eli Ricks card because his most recent number with the Eagles was 41. Let's just, you know, make it four. The use of the Eli-Rex card costs four turkeys just to use it. You get it, and then you have to... And then you have to pay for...

And then you have to pay for cookies if you want to use it. And the Eli-Rex card is only good for this week. So if you do the longest field goal one, it's not... Even though you get that item in perpetuity, I only am able to use

Eli Rex card for this week. And I can't use the Eli Rix card against that for myself because it guarantees that I get it. Correct. Okay. All right. I mean, I really trust you.

What a great addition to the game. No. I thought that it happened to the Elyx card. I disagree with this. Now I actually thought about it and I'm open to this. I'm open to this. How do we feel about if I play the Ely Ricks card against you, you then own the Ely Ricks card for next week?

And it passes on down the line. What he does? Look at a lot of work. How come you eliminate it? Yeah, why didn't you let us know last night? Well, that's not fun. I mean, it would have been fair. Would have been nice.

Would have been the right thing to do, someone would say. Julia, can I see those notes of the reports again? Also, we have to answer any questions you have. I have no, well, I've got a lot of questions. How dare you? Yeah. I have no advantage here. Where do you get off?

I have no advantage. here. Who do you think you are? So, Dana is somewhere like, now I understand why you were texting about Eli Ricks earlier today.

So going so it's the, you get the point, if you, so you, we're bidding on if the Eagles get a, we're bidding on the Eagles

finished with an odd number. No matter what, you get this stupid Eli Ricks card. Right. I don't know if, if, just because he likes a certain

somebody means that you have to waiting for this to come up. just horny that's where I thought you were going with it yeah what are you starting it's a basically you are you are you are the use

the Eli Ricks card you are exchanging this item for betting against somebody else and I have to use it today if I would keep this I don't get to keep it you have to so if I win this item with the Eli Ricks card

I have to use the Eli Ricks card in today's game of Swoper I had thought that but I didn't write it down so I'm open to you being able to hold it for next week yeah I think that's okay if not then you're literally just bidding on like the ability to use that for four four turkeys later because you're not actually you can't keep the item

you can what do you mean do you get to keep the Eagles win or what was it if you don't use the electric card yes you do you get to keep it but okay so you basically just you can you can win the item and then you can just throw the lyrics card in the trash You're going to piss on my face. I mean, actually, that sounds great.

Wow. Get it done in the studio for sure. Become a supporter. Maybe that's our supporter club video next week. And this exists next week. I'm open to the discussion of the Eli Ricks card gets to be passed around. So if I use it to challenge E.J.

E.J. then gets ownership of the E.L.R.X. Guard. I will open that discussion to the floor. That was so weird thing to say. It didn't have to be. Oh, my God. All right. Let's get this over with. we have to decide before it goes up to auction whether it continues or not is this a one-time use card or should be or should we reintroduce it

oh god should we reintroduce should we let it be for today just for today and then we can reintroduce it down the line yeah you'll reintroduce it down the line let's make it a one week thing all right one week thing i love a glyx card for now is a one week deal so you let's you challenge somebody else's item but not your own item that you win correct and if you challenge can't be the one to have have submitted that item that item that i'm an item that I, it can't be an item I submitted or an item that I won, obviously. And if you challenge it, you don't get the Eagles final score line as an item. Correct. You are, you are pushing that one to the side in place of the challenge.

Yes. Okay. But you can choose not to use the challenge if you don't want to. Yes. Yeah, I think I got it. This stupid. You like a card. How much time have we wasted on this? So much time. We are going way past four o'clock. Yeah. Poor Julia didn't even know she was. Producing the show today until five minutes beforehand. Now she's here. We've got held hostage for two hours. Pass around.

Middle of her workday. Ridiculous. Okay. The Eagles finish with an odd number of total points in this game. And you get possession of the Eli Ricks card. I will start the bidding at one. Two. Three.

Four. Five. Six. Seven. you can have it for seven eight nine ten ten Like my full lot, just to rip the card. That was what my early bids were, just to get rid of the cards. 10 going twice.

Go ahead. Take it. Sold. Go ahead. What's the turkey count for us? I have 23. You have 25. EJ has 21.

Well, you had 23, 25, 21. No, I had 33. You had a lot coming in. That's why he introduced this ridiculous thing. You knew he had the turkeys to bilk. So that was 10. That was 10, right? It was 10.

Okay. Yeah. I didn't really. I thought it would be better for the show if I didn't get the Ely started if one of you guys had it. But we would have ripped it. My valuation was more than 10. All right.

Okay. Okay. My first submission, three different players run for touchdowns in this game. Jamir Gibbs and David Montgomery have scored a touchdown in the same game 14 times in their career together, tied for most such games among all running back duos in the Super Bowl era, along with Emmett Smith and Darrell Moose Johnston of the Cowboys. We will start the bidding at three. Four. Five. Six.

Seven. Eight. Eight going once. Eight going twice. Sold to E.J. I think my swooperlytics made me think, or I think one of my takeaways was that whenever I take Fran's items, so they hit.

It's a very Nick Seriani thought process. Exactly right. That's exactly right. All right. Over to you, EJ. All right. My first entry.

An Eagles receiver catches a touchdown pass with Tarion Arnold as the nearest defender. Pass catcher or a wide receiver? That's a good distinction. I'm going to say receiver. We're not going to include

a tight ends running back. Really? Okay. I mean, catches a touch. I just, wanted to make sure I had something Terry on Arnold related because when they passed on Terry on Arnold for Quinnian Mitchell, I didn't, I thought it was the right decision, but I was like, man, I can't believe they passed on the Alabama guy in favor of the small school

guy. And boy, are they glad they did. Not to say Terry on Arnold has been bad, but like I like I would have taken Turner Arnold. That's not. I don't, I wouldn't have done it just because I remember this is a like a little bit of foreshadowing for like how I am about draft prospects, Fran. I just like didn't think he had like the elite physical traits you'd want in the first round corner Spider chart wasn't good enough yeah I agree it was it was a young and slow or old and fast yeah um I'll start the bidding at two three I'll go four Four going once. Four going twice.

Sold to E.J. So it's down to nine? Yeah. Okay. All right. Our first professor submission. Wait, I'm down to nine. You're down to nine.

You'd think the abacus would help me with this. Okay. One sec. Right. Yeah, you had eight on the first one. Yeah. And he's at nine. Yep.

You're at 25. I'm at 23. Yep. Okay, item number four, wait, let me really quickly just make sure there's not a roll. I don't want to mess up again like that. Chat saying I should order food. Is that because you guys can hear my stomach growling? No.

Okay. It may have happened recently. Item four, normal auction. Okay, normal auction. The Eagles score more touchdowns on offense than they have. have real drives with zero first downs. Okay. So three an ounce or early turnover.

Yep. The Eagles score more touchdowns than they have real drives with zero first downs. I'll say two. Three. Four. Now I do, let's clarify, I think he, I think when he says real drives that means end of half yeah it doesn't yield down

yeah do not does not count the nails yep correct I have it four right now you have it at four and I will let you have it for four if you want it from yeah don't feel great about them four going one off one for going twice yeah I don't love that but if he had done the inverse he would have been up like at least nine or ten least you guys would have been okay over to me my submission number five here pull it up someone other

than Jalen Hertz Devante Smith A.J. Brown, Dallas Goddart or Sequin Barkley picks up a first down for the Eagles. The Darius Cooper entry. Darius Cooper could be Tank Bigsby, could be

crank Alcatara who was wide open. Anybody other than the Big Five gets a first down for the Eagles in this game I'll start the bidding at three. Four. five six seven seven eight eight hmm nine it was a little too german you don't like the way i say nine yeah that's that has been a prevalent theme yeah do you do you does it does it you're wrong, friend. The way you just said it, yeah. Nine. I don't know. Am I saying it different

than? I don't know. It's a little inglorious bastards. I don't like that. It's not great. I'll go 10. Oh, wow. It's yours for 10. 10 going once. There you got it. 10 going twice. old. There was another thing on the Eli Ricks rules, by the way. The four turkeys that it cost to use. No, no, this is important. The four turkeys that it cost to use come out of next week's bucket only to guard against, I can't like go into the negative, if that makes sense.

You know what I mean? Okay. It's all the same pot of turkeys anyway. Yeah, right. But this way, it doesn't, whoever has the Eli Ricks card doesn't find themselves unable to bid on stuff afterwards. Okay. So automatically it just comes from next week.

It doesn't count for this week's pot. Okay. Which only matters over the final. I got you. Four bids or whatever. Yeah. Okay. Over to Fran.

All right. Here we go. This was a fun one. There are more combined sacks and turnovers in the game than there are receptions of at least 20 yards in the game. Now, went through the numbers. Hertz has 25 sacks. and three giveaways and he's got 27

because that's 28 total plays there are and he's also got 27 completions of 20 plus yards Jared Goff has 21 sacks and five giveaways so 26 of those negative plays with 27 completions of 20 plus yards it's like split right down the middle

so there are more combined sacks and turnovers in the game than there are receptions of at least 20 yards I will start the bidding at 4 and they have to be receptions receptions yeah completions

of 20 plus I'll go 5 uh 6 uh 6 that does that does it does feel that does feel likely

going once six going one six going twice seven eight eight going once I want to do it but I don't want to do it eight going twice

sold to Fran okay over you E.J All right, second entry. AJ Brown has more catches than a Dory Jackson has targets. You guys, yeah. We'll go off a PFF slash true media. All right, I'm out.

As targets. Am I missing something about the PFF target numbers? What are they? Anything TFF. All right. Oh, just put up for us. Hi, I'm mighty. You guys really know my like voodoo priest thing.

from Tuesday show when I was like, do you think that like Nick Seriani made a deal with like a voodoo priest? Yeah, I like that. No, you guys didn't laugh at all. I like, you've been holding on to that, huh? I got self-conscious about the fact I taking cough syrup and I was like, am I being like weird on the show? Like they didn't laugh at all.

Like nobody thought it was funny. We were all fairly sleep deprived at that point. Yeah, but I was like, that must have been a really like bad joke. I'm going to start the bidding at two. What is this again? AJ Brown has more catches. AJ Brown has more catches than Adori Jackson has targets. Last week they both had a surprisingly low number.

Do you think this is the week that the Eagles over correct? Or do you think that this is the week the Lions over correct targeting a Dory Jackson? was it at three right now it's a two to two yeah man they're gonna go overload a j with targets three I was gonna say going once um four four I'm good I'm good Kafka, that bad boy. Four going once. Four going twice. Sold.

So you have nine. Yep. I have 17. You have five. E.J. Yeah. All right. Our next professor submission.

Normal auction. Normal auction. Fred Johnson out snaps. Offensive snaps only, according to the official NFL game book, by more snaps than the number of turkeys for which this item is sold. Okay. Let's all look up how many snaps Dan Skipper took last week. It was a decent amount. Not, you know, relative.

It was. Now, obviously, you're also pricing in here, Lane Johnson. Dan Skipper last week. Played 23 snaps. Whoa! According to who? According to the game book. Yeah.

I was hoping you were on PFF. I am a man of principal. You are, let's let you are not going to catch me in that kind of. I mean, come on. All right. Fred Johnson out snaps Dan Skipper by more snaps.

And out snaps. Stan skipper. Then this item goes for. i'll say one going once one going once one going twice and take it sold all right they leaned heavily into this last week and i don't i don't think that's going to change so okay but by two all right i saw vg in the chat This is a VG suggestion, and I was excited about. Put a little tweak on it.

At some point in this game, the Eagles target a pass to an offensive lineman. We're leaning on that six offensive linemen, but this item carries over until it hits. So, Fred Johnson, are they ever going to let him roll out? You know, go out for a reception? Maybe. Maybe not.

But if you get this item, you get it. until it hits I would guess that like it'll be lane that leaks out you would think what are you

clarifying on a two point conversion this would not go down to the box score but are we counting two point in place yes you could see it couldn't you

like they they report Lane is eligible secretly I could see that they got to do that don't you think that we got to do that first

and then like so it's like so it's like it's not So sneaky, they'll do it And then they'll do it the very next point All right, I'll start the bidding at two. Three. It's fun to have it.

Yeah, I like the ones that carryover. three going once three going twice sold to EJ what a buy now notice it was it was Target they don't even have to catch it love that I mean there is a chance it never happens but sure but you get it forever

yeah we didn't even there's not even a season cap on it I agree yeah love that could hit any time love that for me all right friend you've got 17 turkeys I've got eight EJ's got two A.J. Brown records at least

52 receiving yards in the game. His average on the season is 51. We will start the bidding at 2. 8. 9. 9. You got it.

Okay. E.J. All right, my final entry, an only buddy goody. There is a heated exchange on the Eagle sideline. I thought about doing both sidelines, too much. Tensions high, Nixiriani likes the yellow people. But okay. It's got to be an exchange.

On the broadcast, is it, can it be with a ref? It doesn't have to be, it doesn't have to be on the broadcast. If a bunch of reporters start tweeting that Nick Siriani just yelled at somebody, I think that's, that's fine. I think that's fair. No, I think it has to be shown on it because otherwise, who's the judge? If there are more than three reporters. No.

All right, fine, caught on the broadcast. I don't care. It doesn't have to be live. If something rises to the level of, they talk about it, they'll have it. they'll have a yeah okay yeah I'll have video and it cannot be with an official it's got to be an official yeah an official wouldn't have an exchange so I mean if the official gets back in Nick Siriani's face then we can talk about it the gray area yes so gray we define heated I mean it's you know and you see it so

both sides have to be heated it has to be no it okay no That's not what a heated exchange is. Like Nick Siriani or somebody, I don't know why I keep saying, well, I know why I keep saying Nick Seriani. Well, somebody on the Eagle sideline gets into it, yells at somebody else. It doesn't have to be like a pushing and shoving. But the exchange means that the other person is also yelling back. No, I don't think the other person has to yell back.

There has to be a heated exchange. If I'm yelling at you and that's just me yelling at you. If you yell at me and I go, hey, settle down. That's still a heated exchange. Not if you're not heated. There's no exchanging of the. There's no. Heat is not exchanged.

You are absorbing the heat. Yeah, that's still heat. There's still heat. That's not a night. I don't know. Julia agrees with me. In the chat. OJ.

Exchange implies both parties are heated. It can't just be AJ yelling at Jalen. Jailen's got to yell back. For the intrigue of the item, I will allow that to be considered, or allow that to be included if like a player yells at another player we can call that a heated exchange

I thought you said if if AJ yells at you and you don't yell at him back that doesn't count right I think it should but if you guys I still think I should have gotten the point from the other week this is what this is about

sour grapes especially because that was all you saw you saw Nick Siriani yelling into the camera we have no idea if he was yelling at If Nixon or Annie was yelling at a player in that instance, I would have had a stronger case. So, therefore, don't over you, don't overstate the word exchange. We are going to go with a heated, a heated interaction on the sideline. This is awful.

This is worse than anything I've ever done. Like AJ Brown. That's not true. That's ridiculous. Like AJ Brown. After what was it, the j. Giants game in 2022 when he was yelling at Jalen. How many turkeys do you have left?

We both. I only have two turkeys left. He's got two. You have two. Yeah. All right. Maybe it was strategic that I got my, got my bids in early. I think it has to be both.

I think so too. Okay. Fine. All right. I mean, you guys, it's got to be, it's got to be a whole party. You're hurting your own case here because one of you guys going to end up with this. You should want the, you should want it to be a wider scope. But it's, but it's, but isn't, isn't the idea of.

this item that the drama that we're talking about carries over to the sideline nick seriani jalen carter against the saints like that is a heated exchange but like it's more often that like it's more often that like a player will go like across the but that's less interesting i mean it's so very interesting i think it's got to be both the chat feels pretty strongly that it needs to be both all right well we'll say both all right two parties i'll start the bidding it too going once going twice i mean you're at the counter i'm just to go on once i was trying to figure out a way that this would not happen that this would not happen I knew it like three minutes ago

I knew he has to end up with this and I knew there was no way because EJ had two turkeys left he's going to put due and then he's going to and this is why I made the item a pure 50-50 item you know just the Eagles have an odd

amount of points because then you got to decide what is really likely unlikely it hit I'm exchanging the odds betting on the kumbaya nature of Nick Siriani's culture why you negotiated so hard

against the scope being no it's not no that was your fault on the item no no you were like because you would and now I am so how does this get recorded in this and Dana's this chart what is this now I EJ gets there is a heath exchange for two right

and then you get the I'm essentially I'm essentially down to four now turkeys and let's because I love I there's no more for us to bid on that are not going to be able to borrow from next week because okay it's going to be a Dana's item so pretend like I'm down it to four I know longer just for the less yeah unless you're not allowed to borrow from next week and Dana's his item right so maybe don't let's not okay let's not for

time yeah and then at the end we'll we'll adjudicate how many checkers I have left so that that that costs you four for next week right I have that I have not you do not have a two-party heated exchange listen This is going to be really good. I've never once in my life rooted for me. It's more for strife on the Eagle's sideline. But this is exactly what super storecasting is about. Because now when this happens on the sideline, the listeners to this podcast are going to be even more excited.

This is going to blow up in my face. I mortgaged my item betting on the Eagles. And now this thing happens and it becomes even more exciting on your favorite television show. This is why the Eli Ricks card is bogus. Wouldn't it? Because you made. your entries, keeping in mind that the Eli Ricks card could be in play. Yeah, see, I made it nice and sturdy.

What is this in the back? That's a paper plate that I cut up. Oh, my God. You had enough time to cut up a paper plate, but you couldn't let us know about the Eli Ricks card. It's a card. It has to be sturdy. It's a piece of paper.

Pitting me and Fran against each other because now Fran's like, why did E.J. put the site him in here. Like, you know, now it's like a low percentage chance. But I didn't know about the Eli Ricks card when I submitted my entries at 105 or whatever it was on my way in. You submitted up in 105? I'm not saying I was, I'm not proud of it. Now I know why it was shitty.

I mean, it was, I liked the entry, but I wouldn't have submitted it if I knew about this stupid card. Well, you have to be prepared for that possibility. No, you don't have to be prepared for that possibility. It's not fair. All right. Technically, Fran and I both have eight turkeys left, although I have lost four for next week. E.J. has zero. And now we get to the final item.

it's okay she's too seeing that I'm vindicated she's too busy thinking about the work she could have been doing I'm happy to be here this is I'll know I did get a follow up email

from day news that said as always please remember to read the auction rule but I read that after I had already dumped and checked them but you'd already done the checking so that means this one must be a funny auction rule okay so sealed bid second price auction

all players submit sealed bids the highest bidder wins and pays the second highest bid losers don't pay anything if tied tied players continue with the normal auction the winner still only pays the second highest bid

Say that last part one more time Okay If they're tied the tied players continue with a normal auction and the winner still only pays the second highest bid Got it okay interesting So whatever the initial tie was

Yeah okay So we understand Man, we're all going to do a blind bid. Yep. Whatever the second highest bid is, that's the cost. But who, wait, does this, there's a person, is that who wins it or who bids the highest wins it? The highest bidder wins and pays the second highest bid. The losers don't pay anything.

Right. And if there's a tie, then the players continue in a normal auction and the winner still only pays the second highest bid. Right. Mm-hmm. Okay. All right. and we can steal from next week. You can borrow from next week.

It doesn't say, but I'm from you. So you can borrow up to, you can, your cap is 32. Right. Whereas mine is 28. Right. I don't know. 24. Yes.

Okay. 26. Oh, no, 24. That's hard because he spent two. All right. And the item is? I muted myself by accident. I think we can all guess, but it might not be.

No. Hold on. I have the card. Oh, God. This is a good one for it to be the down the middle. Eagles win the game. But let's find out. Item number 12 from the professor is the Eagles win the game by more points than the lowest bid for this item.

Ah, so this is fun. So all the bids here matter. The highest bid wins. The second bid is the cost. The lowest bid is what decides if, you know, the Eagles hit this item. So the Eagles have to win by more points than the lowest bid. everybody understand yeah

okay this is fun do you want to take a second to think about it yeah while you guys think I will read the other items that have been one today so far EJ at least three players in the game have a rushing

touchdown the eagle score a touchdown with Terry and Arnold as the closest receiver but it has to be a wide receiver score throwing a touchdown a j brown has more catches than the dory jackson has targets an offensive lineman on the eagles is targeted in a pass and uh two eagles come to blows on the sideline drawing blood fran has uh the eagle there are more sacks and turnovers combined in the game than 20 plus yard completions and a j brown has at least 52 receiving yards i have uh the eagles are a kumbaya team

who never get in disagreements thanks to the Eli Ricks card the more touchdowns for the Eagles than non first down drives somebody other than the big five on offense gets a first down and Fred Johnson out snaps

Dan Skipper and now we get ready for the bid Julia you have mine do I read the super chat so I can think for a second what's the super chat we have go ahead EJ

oh it is from Philly 17th 27. It says 10 of 11 starters on offense have been pro bowlers in their prime. How many teams in NFL in NFL history can say that the offense shouldn't be this bad? I agree. I agree. Completely agree. That's that was the crux of your Tanner McKee argument. I'm distancing myself from it. Don't tell me what my argument was, but okay. I'm trying to, I'm trying to help you out. The clip farmers out there. Okay All right, did you guys send yours? I don't like what he's doing with his partner. I sent mine. All right, Julia, what does E.J. have?

E.J. has four. E.J. has four. What does Fran have? Six. I have eight. So I pay six turkeys, and the Eagles have to win by at least five points, win by more than four points.

I think that that worked out okay. Yeah, I think that was I think we all had the same idea going into that. Okay. Were you trying to go in the middle? Were you trying to be? Yeah, it was enough.

I was like, okay, like I don't want to, I didn't want to get completely boxed out of the possibility of them winning the game. Yeah. At first I was like, oh, before I thought, before I knew what the, what the submission actually was,

I was like, oh, I'm just going to go in as the high number. Right. Because I've got the most turkeys to spend. But then when it was, oh, more than the lowest bid. I'm like, ah, like, I don't know. Right.

So it was good. You could have gone all the way. And even then, but then if I had gone well... Exactly. I couldn't rule out the fact that you... Well, it's not even about what I do because that's what you pay, but it's about what... It's really about what the third one is correct. It was a well-designed one.

Danes is mad at me, so I really want to make sure I say that that was very good. Excellent job by Danes. All right. So is Dana's bad at you? I don't... I can't say it on the show. I don't think the text exchange we had earlier today. What did we text?

Did you say nine again? No, don't start making this like a narrative. I just, it's just how I say the number. It's not fair for you to make it. You've got eight turkeys left over. Yeah, EJ has none. I essentially have negative two. I will be down two turkeys next week.

Just staying on this week, swooper. And Eli Rick. The Eagles win the game by at least five. Yeah, by more than four points. More than four points. I mean, who's the bigger homer than me, baby? I've got other words I can use to describe you at the moment. All right.

Let's open up to the mailbag. Let's stay here another hour. What do you guys want to talk about? Locker room opens in 32 minutes. So I object. Julia has a life to live. Wonderful. Good stuff today, everybody.

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