PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Super Bowl Shock: Jordan Mailata ‘heartbroken’ about Jeff Stoutland leaving Eagles

Episode Date: February 6, 2026

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Hello everybody and welcome to the PHLY Eagles podcast live from Radio Row, Bowulf and E.J. Smith, and we've got a very interesting show coming up for you here on Thursday as we are presented by the good folks at Bet365 and Wawa. We are going to hear from Jordan Milata for his full reaction to the news that Jeff Stoutland will no longer be the Eagles' run game coordinator or offensive line coach. We're also going to get perspective from Greg Kosell on what this new look, Eagles offense might look like. a little preview of the Brandon Graham, Chris Long, Bo Allen interview that will be on Unblock this week. But let's start, EJ. Let's get into this Jeff Stoutland discussion because, you know, we went live yesterday, very fresh. And I think we both had a little bit more time to sort of think this thing over, talk to more people, understand a little bit more about what went on here.

Where are you now 20 hours later, or whatever it is? Yeah, no, I mean, I think where I come down on this, I'll start with the big part first, which is I think I think this is a net-nette. negative for the Eagles. Now, I think that when you look at it on its face, it's hard to understand, it's hard to wrap your head around how the Eagles got to a point where one of the best offensive line coaches in the NFL, one of the best assistant coaches in general in the NFL would leave the building and this is where they would find themselves. There was no way back. So I think what we should do on today's show is really try to fill in the space because, you know, like the Eagles are an organization that has earned the benefit of the doubt that,

maybe sometimes chaotic, but there is usually logic behind something of this magnitude. At least I think they deserve the benefit of it out there. So for me, I think it is, again, trying to fill in the spaces. And some of the things I'm going to talk about, I don't necessarily feel strongly about them, but I do think that it will be necessary context. I think we are both hearing a lot of different perspectives on this divorce, as it were. It's also important that we keep in mind. Jeff Staleland, the offensive line coach, and Jeff Stadlin, the run game coordinator are two different things.

That's the first big thing I wanted to hit on here. And there is a perception from some or an understanding from some that Jeff Stalind, the run game coordinator, was not holding up his end of the bargain. Jeff McLean did the reporting that they had sort of stripped him of that title. You know, and it's since come out that I think it was Tim McManus's report, that Stoutland actually was the one who wanted the title removed. Right, he says if this is not what I'm doing, he doesn't want a fake title. Yes.

Right. Yes. And can me be honest about something? Run game coordinator is sort of like a new title around the NFL. I do think it is nebulous from building to building. I want to add that in there. But I think your point is correct that there needs to be a separation between Jeff Stoughtland, the offensive line coach and Jeff Stoutland, the run game coordinator.

And before we get into it, I want to make it clear. Jeff Stoutland was the run game coordinator for one of the best rushing offenses in the history of the NFL. How bad could he be? years ago. So I do think you've seen the ceiling for Jeff Statland as a run game coordinator as one of the best offensive line coaches and one of the best player developers in the league. We have also, but I think what stood out to me as I talked to people and tried to wrap my head around this is as they are bringing in Sean Mannion and Sean Mannion is filling out his staff,

it really is a signal that they are moving into a more modern offense that is more resemble, it more closely resembles Sean McVeigh, Matt LaFleur, and Kyle Shanhan. We've talked about this so much over the last couple of weeks. And I think that, you know, if you think about why that change was needed, right? You think about the way the Eagles offense looked last season, they just had a lot of things that they just, they didn't do, whether it was quarterback run game, whether it was under center run game, whether it was under center play action, you know, throws over the middle of the field. All of a sudden, the menu was so limited. And I do think not saying that it's solely on Jeff Stahl and not saying that he is the primary character and why it was limited,

but I do think he was a source of some of the limitations based off of some of his preferences, some of the things that he likes to do in the run game and some of his tendencies in the run game. So I do think that the way that the analogy I used earlier is it's like you have a sports car and you build a garage around it. And at some point you realize you can't get the car out of the garage, so you have to knock out a load-bearing wall to just clear some space and have a more like a very, very, menu offensively here. So, you know, and I'm not saying, but like... So do you think it is, the scheme is the biggest thing here?

Because I actually don't. No, I think this is more of a personality dynamic story. Because here's the, like, if, for instance, they had hired Jim Bob Cooter, or Matt Nagy as offensive coordinator, who was not bringing in an offense that was entirely different than the things that we understand Stout to prefer in terms of how you orchestrate the running game. Do you think that he would still be here? Yeah.

Because I kind of don't. So that is where the scheme informs the personalities at play here. You know, Jeff Stoughton has a big personality. Nick Siriani has a big personality. Hally-Roseman, Jeffrey Lurie. All of the people in this story have a big personality and are used to having control in certain situations. So I think the scheme is what is essential to the topic here,

but I also think that the personalities are what drove this to a point. And like, again, my bottom line here is it should have never gotten to a point where you should, like, again, like in the analogy, you don't want to take out the load-bearing wall. Yeah. You don't, because I think even if you get a run-game coordinator, which we'll talk about, you know, even if you get somebody who is more closely aligned

with what Sean Mannion wants to do in the run game, you're still losing the talent developer, the spiritual leader. You know, we'll hear from Jordan Milata about this. Like, Jeff Stoutland is a massive loss for the organization, even if they can add a run-game coordinator that gets them closer to an offense that they want to run. We will hear from Joya Milana.

There are so many layers here. And we should say that the Eagles did reportedly hire a new run game coordinator this morning. Ryan Mahaffee, who was with Sean Mannion in Green Bay, was their wide receivers coach last year, but will be the tight ends coach last run game coordinator for the Eagles. That means that Jason Michael will no longer be here. I think the Siriani Stoutland dynamic here is very interesting. And it's important to remember that, you know, Nick Siriani brought a big. staff with him, but Jeff Stoutland was not part of that. I think if you were reading

between the lines over the years sometimes, if you like, you know, if you were, if someone was asking Nick Sirionic sort of a softball question about Jeff Stoutland, it would quickly move to but we, you know, we have a lot of good coaches. Not just puffing up the legend of Jeff Stoutland. And I think there was no doubt that there is a reading of the proceedings here, given some of the reporting that is out there, that the way things were going the first half of the season, It didn't feel like Kevin Petulow was a strong enough personality to necessarily combat with Jeff Stoutland

in saying this is actually the stuff we want to do in the run game, which then led to, you know, Siriani and Petulow taking that away from Stoutland. Yeah. And if that is part of the case, and if Siriani feels like Stoutland is to some degree responsible for Petulow's ouster, maybe there's no love loss there, and he's more willing to move on. I think that Howie Roseman and Jeffrey Lurie's their thoughts would have prevailed here,

and they would have said it is still very important that you have the best offensive line coach in the league here. I think they tried to keep him in that role. And they tried to keep him, but Jeff Stallon is a prideful person. Yes. And if, you know, he's, don't give me a title that I don't have. You know, maybe pay me more for the, you know, the effort, I guess.

And he doesn't, Jeff Stellan doesn't want to be somewhere where he's not wanted. And so there is, to me, this is, This is a interpersonal story just as much as it is, if not more so, than a schematic story. Yeah, I think that the two inform each other, and I agree. I think that, and that's why if you're an Eagles fan, it's a shame that it got to that point. You know, it's a shame that there wasn't a way for them to find a way forward, you know? Because he is, like, they might have a run game that's great next season.

They might find an offensive line coach that develops young talent. You know, the Eagles have drafted high picks at those positions. That's true. So maybe they will find, maybe they can replace him in the aggregate. You know, that's always what you'll hear. But it's going to be a really tough task because of how important he was to that organization. Right. I think there is, I think we here think that Jeff Stuylin is a great offensive line.

Yeah, yeah. There is a thought process that is like, well, Lane Johnson was the fourth overall pick. Landon Dickerson was a second round pick. Yes. Jordan Milana is the great story of development. But Cam Jurgens was a second round pick. Tyler Steen was a third round pick. pick, even Jason Kelsey, you know, predated him.

And so it's not like he turned... But Kelsey has given Stoughtlin credit. Of course, and there are a lot of stories of getting guys ready to replace those guys when they have had injuries who are not of that ilk. I don't have any doubt that Jeff Stoutland is a tremendous teacher. Yeah. And to just hear Jason Kelsey talk about it, we will hear Jordan Mila talk about it, all of these guys.

My understanding, just talking to people, is like the vibes are pretty low right now. Yeah. In the building. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. And I think just one thing I want to add to your Stoutland point here is this is similar to me to like some of our J-Lynn conversations where I think that the feeling in the building

is probably not as unanimous as it is externally. Yeah. But that doesn't mean that that doesn't mean that that feeling is correct. You know what I mean? Yeah. Just like I think that because, again, some people's opinion of. Jeff Stoutland, the run game coordinator, isn't as high as most people's opinion of Jeff Stoutland, you know, the overall picture of Jeff Stoutland might suggest. But again, I think the results speak for

themselves. And I do, I will double down on something we talked about yesterday, which is just that this is the most important position coach on the team. Yeah. And there are some very mid-offensive line coaches. So I'm very curious to see how this replacement search goes. Now, your, you're, you know, tingling feeling is because they've added a run game coordinator from the pro. Yeah, with the background with Mannion. You think there might be tried to poach from college for the offensive line code. Yeah, do you want to save the list? Fran and I were talking about it.

Sure. Yeah, let's save it. Well, maybe we'll tease it. No, no, give us the list. Okay. So Fran, Alex, he sent me a couple. Alex Mirabal from Miami. Oh, Mirabelle from...

Mirabell, I'm sorry. Bill Bedinball from Oklahoma. Kyle Flood from the University of Texas. And a leak Doesn't Kyle Flood have some bad stuff in his background? I'm thinking about somebody else? I cannot comment. I can neither confirm nor deny it.

A leak Terry from Oregon. Oregon was one that jumped out to me. I'm like, I feel like Oregon's been doing some good offensive line development the last few years. It's not a place that you feel like historically has great O lines, but the last few years, they've done well. That's some good,

Franie doing guys. I appreciate that. I miss Fran. I miss Fran. I miss Fran too. Yeah. Do you want to talk about why I'm wearing this shirt? No, let's get to Jordan Milana.

I thought we were doing Malada after the break. Oh, I thought we were doing it at the end. No, we're going to do it. Okay. Okay, let's take a quick break on the other side. We are going to welcome Jordan Milata for his thoughts on Jeff Stalyn's departure. Please stay with us. Next, let's talk about Monarch.

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and Jordan, first of all, welcome to Radio Row. I think you know we've got to start with what was your reaction when you found out the news about Stout yesterday. Immediately I bored my eyes out. I just immediately talked to Stout and I couldn't formulate a sentence. I was just crying. And I told him, I'll come see him as soon as I got back home. A lot of people ask me to make a statement right now,

online at least, on social media, I'm just like, I don't think there are enough words to put in a social media post of what I think of the man and how much he's helped change my life. I'm, to be honest, selfishly, I'm very heartbroken, but I know the man, man needs it, man needs him breast. Well, you are certainly allowed to grieve however you need to, and not to speak for you, but it is, it's hard to look around here, see all the people following you, all the success you've had and not think, you know, would you have even been here without stout? No, that's what I'm saying. There's not enough words that I can speak about this man just to show how grateful I am, that he helped change my life, you know? He's a big reason. It's just like four people who maybe aren't as familiar with it.

Like what do you, I guess how much do you attribute your development to him? If it will start, if I could speak in stout, stoutlandism, he would say 50%. Because 50% he waited for me at the halfway mark and I had to meet him there. That's how we always said it. It's not me, it's us. and yeah man I just yeah was this something that was on your radar as a possibility

or did it sort of blindside you that one blindsided me yeah I'm curious always when something like this happens what is like the text thread like with you and the rest of the offensive lineman are you all guys like what WTF like how does that work well I'm pretty grateful that

I have lane and land and they're in San Fran right now so so I can be able to connect with those boys last night and kind of grieved together like an Irish wake. Yeah. I felt like we lost our dad, man. It's crazy. I'm sorry.

Yeah, it was good, you know, shared trauma. Yeah. We just weren't talking about all the times we had with Stow, but, you know, I think we're going to try and make time to go see him once we get back in Philly after the game. And, yeah. Have you gotten to even the point of wondering what it will be like to play for a different coach? very daunting thinking about it to be honest

I'll be entering year nine isn't that crazy to say entering year nine next year this season coming and yeah we'll see how this goes I'm excited but also scared man I'll be honest I'm nervous one of the things that I

sorry we're gonna I'm gonna hold you just talk all right one of the things that you know I heard asking people about stout yesterday was the toll that the season took I guess how have the last couple weeks been for you, I guess trying to rest after what has been a really long stretch for you and everybody in that old line room?

Yeah, I mean, it's a very long season. Injuries played a big part, the stress of trying to get back to where we were standard-wise in that room. We knew we weren't playing our best football, and every week was a challenge just to get back to try and playing dominant football and playing Eagle football. It got hard. got hard and this break has been for me at least very reflective on how I handled the season

dissecting every game I had how I dealt with it how I led in the locker room anything I had the way I treated my teammates for me it's just been the last couple of years that's all I've been doing yeah trying to learn from from how to become a better leader entering next year it's my biggest takeaways yeah I was going to say what were some of the things that you like hindsight could only show you. I think just being a player, not worrying about, you know, what players are being called. Just go out there and do your job. We worry about the execution and not why, you know, why we call in this place.

What have you heard about what the Sean Mannion offense might look like? And what was your reaction to that hire? It was great. I just bumped into Jordy Love, actually. Okay. And he said, we have a good one. Okay. He said, we have a good one in him.

Is that good? He said, you guys got to stick with them because it's first. she had played calling but he said we got a good one so have you talked to him yet yes i have Sean's a great dude seems like a nice dude yeah it seems like a great guy we talked to a few guys we talked to Drew Locke who had played with him a couple of his coaches and yeah they all had they all have very good things to say but it's a new it's a brand new thing so it will be interesting to I mean it does feel like sort of the start of a new Eagles era if that's fair no it does that's why it felt like we were mourning yesterday yeah and like I've been

using comedic relief to get by as we all do. Media row. Just to get by so I don't just like hysterically start crying in front of everyone. Not that and crying isn't okay.

Crying is okay but I just... There's no toxic masculinity here. I cried on the flight over watching a movie. I mean it's fine. Brother, I cried immediately on the phone when he called and hey man, it's just a lot to think about because it's just like man

this is an end of an era like you said. Another one where I don't want you to speak for the guy, but you've only played for Stout, so has Lane. And obviously, he's going through everything that went on this season. Like, what do you think his reaction was? Same as mine? Yeah. Maybe not as, not as, uh...

He's a little less willing to cry, maybe. No, he told me he cried. Okay. I mean, no, he didn't. He didn't tell me that. That was off the record, right? Are you a part of, like, the recruitment to try and convince Lane to come back for another year? You've been interested

about it? I think, well, I, yes, it's his decision to make. It's him to let you guys know if he's coming back. Yes, he's coming back, but... I know that E.J., you know, you guys were talking about the toll that the season took, and obviously part of that is also coming off of the toll that the season before took. And you two had, you know, E.J. wrote about this, part of, like, the tush-push,

and the physical toll that that took on your guy's body. Do you already feel a little bit of a rejuvenation of having some extra time? A little bit. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, we've been keeping busy. And the snowstorm that passed through last week was not helpful at all. A lot of shoveling? Shalveling, but just like, I mean, we've been, it's just the mood, you know, the energy.

Yeah. It's bad and feeling. It was bad and feeling when that snowstorming here because it was just like, it would, I felt so miserable. It was just like, man, this is crazy. How are we going to get these cars? These words are terrible. And do you look around here? BG went through this yesterday and it's like,

this is kind of nice, but man, I wish, I'd rather be playing in the game. Is that fuel? I'm more of a realist, try to be at least. I'm not thinking like that because I just get mad. So I just be like, yeah, we're on good enough this year. I didn't do a good enough job and not playing, so just look forward to next year.

I said this to BG yesterday. You are one of the people in the locker room that I would say has the most, I would say one of the closest relationships with Jalen and somebody who can be a Jalen whisperer, a Jalen translator at times. So what would you say his mindset is this offseason? Where do you think his head is at? God, is it hard in here? Jesus.

I mean, he's probably thinking of how I'm thinking, like, you know, we have a big, well, it feels like a hurdle to overcome them, learning a new offense, learning the nuances of it, the flow, how it's going to flow. It's going to be a different flow, and we've got a new run game coordinator we hired today. I woke up to that news and I was like, like, salt to the wounds. I'm like, man, we're going to add salt to the ruin, man. I'm like, far out. So, yeah, it's been a crazy time, but I think that's what he's feeling.

You know, just we have a, he's going to welcome that obstacle and welcome. that hurted. Any big plans for the off season? A lot of traveling. Going back home to Australia. Good for you. Let's pull my ambassador role for the NFL. So, yeah.

It's a blessing. It's a blessing for sure. We are happy that you do that. The last thing is E.J. Wants does want to get on the record. Where is he in, like, your beat writer power rankings? These guys. These guys. So I break the news now?

Yeah, break it. Come on. He's number one. H. He's number one. He's my guy. You've been together for a long time. We have, you know, we've really gone through it together.

We started at the bottom, and now we're here, baby. All right, well, that's great. Jordan Milana, thank you so much, back with more, on the P.HL.I.E.O.I.E.O.E.E.S. podcast. Back in the P.L.I.I.E.O.L.E.L.A.,.R., for joining his number one favorite, Eagles Pete reporter and E.J. Smith. It was nice to hear him say that. He was, I mean, him and I have. I've covered, I've covered him in his own career. You know, I covered him closely even when Joe Osman was destroying him with those spin moves in training camp. And, no, I appreciated him.

So what do you make of the things that he said about Stout and, like, the team's reaction, the guys that he's with who were here? Yeah, you know, I alluded to it yesterday during the emergency podcast that guys did not see this coming. Like, this was sudden. You know, like people were asking me about Lane Johnson and whether or not, you know, this would impact his retirement decision. And I just kept answering, like, I don't think Lane knows it. answer to that yet because this did happen quickly, at least for these guys, it really was a shock. So, no, I mean, as someone, you know, we talked to Jordan about it, like the vantage point of watching Jordan develop and the credit that he gives Jeff Staland and even just like little things,

like seeing like the cookies that Allison Stoughtland makes for the players that are in each of their lockers. Like, that was a real family bond. So I understand that for these guys, it's still, you know, they're still processing it. It's significant. It's going to take it. take time for them to really be able to get past it. It is, I mean, truly does sort of mark the end of an era. Because if it does lead to Lane leaving, even if Lane returns, presumably it's only for one more year. Like, we are in a new world here with the Eagles offensive line. And, like, it could turn out really badly.

I mean, it really could. Yeah, no, there's volatility. here. As you mentioned, there's not a lot of proven offensive line coaches, especially getting into the hiring cycle late. And they have work to do at that position, you know, or at that, yeah, like on the interior offensive line, I think they probably need to address that in the draft early. And depending on what happens with Lane, I mean, I still am probably around 50-50, maybe 55-45-45 on Lane, like returning. But if he retires, all of a sudden, yeah, there's, There's some arm bells ringing for this Eagles offense,

and especially this Eagles offensive line. Do you think that the offensive line's reaction matters to Harry Roseman and Jeffrey Lurie? Jeffrey Lorry. Nick Siriani to some degree? Jeffrey Lorry and Nick Sieriani, I would say yes. I think it's how he's job not to get too concerned with that. You have to make tough decisions in that job, and I think Howie has proven that he would. But no, I mean, it's a real thing.

Like, another thing that we talked about with Jordan that, you know, we talked about it with Statlin as well, is the toll that the season. and took on these guys. And, you know, we heard from Jordan, like, it doesn't feel like he's really had a lot of chance to rest yet. And I do. I think that if I'm the Eagles, I'm doing everything I can, which isn't probably that much, but I'm doing everything I can to try to avoid, or I try to address the fact that those guys were drained this season or last season. You know, those guys, they were banged up, out of energy, and I think you're still seeing it even now, just the impact that the last 18 months have had on them.

Yeah, I don't know. It's going to be very interesting. And we'll talk a little bit more about it as the show goes on. We're going to talk to Greg Kosell in a little bit about what he thinks this New Look Eagles' offensive line and offensive scheme is going to be. Change is not necessarily a bad thing, I think, is the pull quote from that, but we'll give you that. Before we go to break, though, I want to give you a little preview of what's to come on this week's episode of Unblocked with Brandon Graham, which included a little reunion with the Greenlight guys, Chris Long and Boel. Yeah, what is it like when you see BG, like what comes to mine? Smiles. Just smiles, dude.

Instant smiles. This guy's, yeah, he's a morale booster. So 100%. When I said, I just saw BG and I was like, bro, I can't believe you're still playing number one. And number two, like, you've always had a nose for the ball. They put him in the game. He's like, you know, he's just come in cold.

Three sacks right off the bat, dude. This guy could, he'll be able to rush the passer at 70. He's playing on the inside now, too, though. Hey, you know what? What did you make of that? I loved it. It is. It is different.

I had to learn a different technique, but it was all about attacking. And like you say, man, getting hands off you because once I got choked up a little bit, it was next play. I mean, he was like the most efficient sack artist in the NFL this year. Also had one taken away from a penalty. So the guy still got it. Man, it feels good. It felt good getting back out there. Of course, it's the addiction of getting them sacks and fighting for them.

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We're back on the P.H.O.E.E.G.E.G.S. Podcast. Live from Radio Roe. Bo Wolf, E.J. Smith. Thanks for staying with us all week. Have a fun episode coming up for you tomorrow as well. But for now, let's get into E.J., the Parks Preview, presented by, of course, our friends at Parks. E.J., what do you, as the Eagles continue to remake this offensive staff, we talked about, you know, what goes into? offensive line. Do you think that the rest of the staff is also going to be filled in with, you know, young Mannion-y types? Manion-y? Yeah. I haven't heard Mannionie yet. That's not bad. I don't mind that. I mean, I think at this point with Jeff Stalton being among those replaced, like,

I would, nothing would surprise. Certainly could be anybody, yeah. Yeah, now I would expect, I mean, the ones that we don't know yet. Truthfully, yeah, running back, coach Jamal Singleton. Wide receivers coach, Aaron Moorhead. There's no past game court. Oh, no, there is. There is.

Josh Garzard. So Parkes Frazier is gone, yeah. So it's just those two guys. It's really just Moorhead and Singleton. I mean. Singleton is also assistant head coach. Yeah, and Singleton has experience. He's coached under Zach Taylor in Cincinnati.

So he has experience in a system that has touch points with the one you expect Sean Mannion to run. And, yeah, I think Jamal Singleton is also like a proven running backs coach. You know, like, I just. To me, there, I mean, to me, there's no. need to find a different running back coach. He has a great relationship with, I mean, all of his players would say Juan Barkley as well. And yeah, the assistant head coach title is significant there. Aaron Morehead, I mean, at this point, especially as we, as Greg Olson with an O.N has become

a name to watch for the quarterback's coach job. I feel like you probably would want a receivers coach that's used to and has experience in a system that they want to run. But the thing that I just keep going back to is it is going to look so different. offensively next season. Yeah. And if it doesn't, then Nick Siriani and Jalen Hertz come to the forefront as the reasons it's not. I mean, it really is just, it is being set up as a clarifying season.

Yeah. Enough trying to figure out who's responsible for what. Now we are going to figure it out once and for all. I'm not saying this is what's happened because I don't think it's this black and white, but it is almost like, all right, Kevin Petullo is out, Jeff Stalyn's out. No more pointing the fingers. Like, it's time for, you know, we brought in a coach that does all of the things that we want to see from this offense. Nick and Jalen, like, if it doesn't look the way it's supposed to, that is on YouTube.

You know, and I'm not saying it's that simple. I don't think that they made all these decisions with that as the goal, but it is the outcome. What is your level of confidence that we're going to see a different stylistic version of Jalen Hertz? I don't think it's particularly high. I think the offense is going to look different. The thing I'm hung up on is I can't tell you if, you know, we talked about on yesterday's show, like Jalen Hertz wants to hear the why. You know, he wants to understand why you're installing what you're installing

before he will jump in two feet into a new system and a new concept. We've heard a lot of great things about Sean Manion while we've been here in particular. I just, I don't know, I can't say with confidence, he is going to have the why. If he does, then I'd feel confident that it's going to look a lot different. Yeah. But without knowing that, I would be dishonest to tell you that I'm 100% or even like 80% confident that this is going to look like a McVe-Shannahan offense next season.

Okay, how about this? Rank for me these three things that could be different about in Jalen's game. Throws more over the middle, not to top 10 of the league, but, you know, to a significant degree. moves the pocket a lot more, and he runs more. Which of those three things? How would you rank the likelihood of those three changes to Jalen Hertz's game?

Can I be scheme agnostic here? Can I not focus solely on in a Sean Mannion system? Although we don't really know what that is anyway. What do you mean? Well, I think middle field throws are important and they might be more important in a system that, you know, I'm not asking to rank their importance. I'm asking to rank how likely.

you think Jill hits is to change those things about his game? I think that moving the pocket is number one. Okay. I think that if I had to guess, that's probably more of the conversation we had about Jeff Stalett. So I think moving the pocket number one, I would say, it's crazy that I'm going to say this. I think it's middle field throws number two. Really? They needed him to run the ball last year.

They needed him to be a bigger part of the run game. And I think like the changes on the offensive staff might make it a little bit less like necessary, less of a load-bearing wall for Jalen to be part of the run game. So for that, and it's obviously he wasn't comfortable, wasn't willing to be a big part of the run game. I don't know if that's just going to switch next season. So I would say the middle field throws. If Sean Mannion is, you know, getting guys wide open in the middle of the field with regularity, I do think Jalen Hertz will do it. So I'd say middle field throws too, and then I would say being a bigger part of the run game number three. Interesting. It's crazy to think 12 months ago

what I would have said about that question there. All right. Let's now pivot. That'll close the book on the Parks preview, presented by our friends at Parks. Let's turn now to Greg Kosell, a man who, many would say his biggest problem is that he knows too much. The man knows ball inside and out,

and he has some thoughts on the Eagles' offense, moving from Kevin Petulow and Jeff Stoutland to Sean Mannion, Josh Grisard, and whoever else is going to be coaching the guys up front. Found walking around Radio Row as today is a ball-knowers day. Who knows more ball than Greg Kosell? Greg, the big news for the Eagles,

Jeff Stoutland moving on to what we don't know yet. Right. How significant do you think this is for the Eagles moving forward? Well, maybe I'm in the minority, but sometimes I think change is good. I mean, I think they made change, you know, clearly with the offense, with who they brought in. They've brought in a lot of young minds that have come from different places,

different approaches and philosophies than the Eagles have had. You know, I think that remains to be seen. I mean, it's easy to say it's bad because, obviously, over the years, they've had really good run games and Stout's a good O-line coach. But, you know, how do you think the Eagles season ended this year? Poorly. So it sometimes changed good when that happens? Sure. I think that's fair. And I also think it's important, as you say, to separate, as we talked on the show today,

separate Jeff Stoutland, the offensive line coach from Jeff Stoutland, the run game coordinator. I mean, for any number of reasons, you know, we probably won't get into the mall right now, but the run game was not very good this year. There's always 10 reasons for that, so it's not a matter of blaming one person, you know, but it was not a very good run game, whereas the year before it was historic run game. But clearly, this is a team and an organization that believes it can play in a Super Bowl every year. And when you get a home game at the link in January, you don't expect to lose to a team with inferior talent that has a ton of injuries. So, you know, they felt changes were in order. And there's nothing wrong with that.

I think that's fair. Now, as we think about what this offense is going to look like, it was an interesting search in that it didn't feel like there was necessarily a particular scheme. that they were wedded to adding. If you think about like interviewing Jim Bob Cooter or Matt Nagy, guys who are not necessarily of the Shanahan tree, and yet they do end up hiring someone who's going to be like that. Do you feel like in today's NFL it is a prerequisite to run that offense to have success? I think there's a lot of ways you can play offense. I don't think only one or two offenses are the way you have to play. And I think that most offenses now have many elements from multiple offensive philosophies.

I don't think there's any, you know, I would bet that if Kyle Shanahan was giving a clinic, he would be talking about multiple concepts, not just the things that we think of what Kyle Shanahan does. Or Sean McVeigh constantly is expanding what he does and thinking of new things. So I think it's good to get young people in who are going to challenge, you know, I think Jalen Hertz is at the point in his career

where you want to challenge him. You know, you want a coach to come in, and I don't know Sean Manion at all. Yeah. I don't know Josh Gersard at all. But I think you basically want to come in with the attitude of, hey, Jalen, we're going to make you better than you've ever been. We're going to take you to heights that you've never been. You know, some days are going to be tough. You may not like me.

Some days are going to be great. But when all said and done, you're going to be better than you've ever been. And I think it's good to challenge players, no matter how good they are. You know, I think that's a good, I mean, this is the NFL. Nothing remains the same. Nothing is static. So I don't think it's a bad move at all. And so making Jalen Hertz the best version that he's ever been,

what are one or two things that you think would be added to the best version of Jalen Hertz's game? Well, I think the past game has to be expanded. And I think you as a coach, this is just my opinion, of course, I'm not a coach. But I think you have to, you can't, you have to understand his limitations, but you can't let them define how you play. Does that make sense? Of course. Because you've got to get past that.

Like you can't be an offensive coordinator with the Eagles and say, well, historically, Jalen has not thrown a lot of balls between the numbers. So therefore, we're never going to throw the ball between the numbers. I don't think he can say that. I think you've got to come in and you got to say, here's what we're going to do. And you know what? We're going to make you really good at this by how we go about teaching it, how we go about implementing it, how we go about calling it in games.

We're not going to go into a game saying, well, he can't do that. So that's not in our game plan or playbook. I think you've got to expand it and you've got to challenge him. And, of course, there's, you know, there are changes on the margins, right? There's a huge, you don't have to be dead last in throwing between the numbers. You also don't have to be first. No, of course not. As long as he gets to 20th or something like that, that's a significant change in the offense.

Well, the point is it has to be part of your offense. It can't be not part of your offense. All right. Last thing I want to ask you about is just the Nick Siriani experience. As now, it seems like this offensive staff is not of his upbringing and his friends, How do you feel about him as the CEO coach, as they say? Yeah, and that's okay. Look, we're in Philadelphia.

We know how things are. I think you'd have to say Siriani's record's pretty good as a head coach. And for some reason, people think he doesn't do anything. You'd have to be in the building every day to know what he does and what he doesn't do. I'm not in the building every day. I can't comment on that. What we can comment on is the fact that the Eagles have been in two of the last four Super Bowls, and they've won one and came very close to winning another.

and his record is really good. So, I mean, to me, you know, because it's very hard to win in this league on any Sunday, and it's certainly hard to get to a Super Bowl. So I would say that Nick Siriani, as the Eagles head coach, has actually done pretty well. All right. Well, there you have it. Greg Cosell. Check out his videos with Fran Duffy on Philadelphia Eagles.com from like 10 years ago.

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Alex Medina says the only good thing about the Eagles losing is they don't have to wear that ugly 250 patch. And Alex Medina jumps back again. He says he's inserting a waterboy quote, We suck again. I mean, it's still a very talented. You have a tough news. about Rob Schneider's divorce, don't you think?

Got nothing to say. You didn't hear about that? I didn't hear about it. Should I have? 20 years his minor. Probably had enough of the anti-vax talk, you know what I mean? I got nothing for any of this. Should I have known that, though?

Depends. Okay. Why don't you tell everybody why you're wearing that shirt? Good question. Now, eagle-eyed reviewers will have noticed that in the Jordan Milana interview, you, Jordan Milata. You keep doing that. Trying to perfect it.

Jordan Milata. I was wearing a shirt you've seen me where before, the Bo Jackson hoodie. And, you know, a risky shirt to wear today. Maybe a little bit of look at me, but that's okay.

And then, what do you know? I'm wearing that shirt and right in front of me. There walks by. Bo Jackson himself. What an opportunity. The man who I have modeled my personality after for the past 39 years. My namesake.

A hero. And I tell Ben to follow me, our social media superstar, said, you know, maybe we can get a quick video or just a picture to have, you know, You know, Bo and Bo. Yeah. It would be fun. Say, Bo, can I get a picture real quick? And his, bow, to be fair, was not super interested.

Yeah. He could have been nicer. But his handler steps in and gets all huffy. And goes, come on. If he takes a picture with you, he got to take a picture with everybody. And I'm like, everybody here wearing a Bo Jackson shirt? You Dingleberry? And then he says something else.

And I'm like, and I did, I kind of lost it. I kind of lost it. I said, you don't have to be an A-hole about it. And I didn't say A-hole. He was like, oh, you really want to do this? And I'm like, F you, and I walk away. You didn't say that, did you? I didn't say the F-U part.

No, I just walked away. I'm just like, you know. And it was the final straw because, listen, we are very lucky, very grateful to be here. Yes. It's a really cool opportunity. We get to create a lot of good content. We get to talk to interesting people. We get to hear things.

That's probably the most important part. Yeah, absolutely. About the Eagles that we would not have otherwise heard. We need to do a lot of really good reporting. But part of the deal here is getting turned down. a lot. Yeah. And waiting for 15 minutes to hope that you can get two minutes with, I don't know,

Jordan Love about Sean Mannion. Would have been nice. Or like, read Blankenship, who we do a podcast with. Or just like Gibrones, who, you know, we don't particularly care about too much, but anyway, the content machine rolls on. And to just get turned down. turn down and it just it makes you feel so small. Yeah.

And so for the Bo Jackson handler who, you know, as far as I'm concerned, I could, I would like to step on and squish him like a bug and is, is a nobody himself for him to get all huffy with me, I was seething. Just seething. So, obviously I can't keep wearing. This is only like halfway through this story. The Bo Jackson hoodie. but I don't have time.

We are running around like chickens with our heads cut off here. I don't have time to go change, but I feel gross wearing the shirt. And then, I'm waiting to talk to Kirk Cousins of all people. Because I hear that Kirk Cousins and Sean Mannion are very close.

Kirk Cousins is there. And I think longtime viewers know how I feel about Kirk Cousins. Oh, that's my hell. And, but still, you know, I'll swallow my pride. I'll talk to the guy. Let's find out some information on Sean Mannion.

You know, ended up getting 30 seconds of a walk-and-talk on a reverse iPhone. Not very good audio. You may never see it. But while I'm waiting there, debasing myself again, an angel comes over. An angel descends from heaven, walks over to me. It says, I like your hoodie. He said, thank you very much. And you're like, I hate it.

And it's a very comfortable hoodie. Yeah. It is one of my favorite articles of clothing. And he says, I'm the founder of that company. Wow. Unbelievable. And then he says, here's a shirt. Not a shirt.

Not a shirt. The shirt. And it's my size. I mean, could you imagine the kismet of that? Yeah. To be saved by the founder himself. The founder. Oh, my God.

What a good. a turnaround. So thank you very much. Thank you very much. You know what? No free ads? Free ad. Free ad. Homage. Support them because they bailed me out of a sticky situation when I was getting ready to kick all these tables over and start yelling at the top of my lungs. Shout out to Frank Barber for the $2 super chat. He said, justice for Bo. Yeah. Steve Winterger said this is all David Baker's plan. If he does this, what he's got to do with everybody. This was cathartic for you, wasn't it?

Radio Row is a great opportunity to get some really good reporting done. But it is, the nature of being a reporter is like waves washing over a stone. And a lot of times that stone's not going to budge at all. And then the one time it does, that's when you get. Yeah, that's a good. Have you used that before? Yeah, you know, shout out to my former colleague, Mike Sealski. He said that to me recently, and I've just been thinking about,

it a lot. It's like waves washing over. It's don't. Okay. Yeah, I don't think anybody likes to feel that way. Nobody does, but it's part of the job. The other thing, so the... The PR handlers. I mean, give me a break. The worst thing about being a reporter is transcribing. You know, I was walking around here yesterday with Brenna Graham.

He's getting stopped every which way. He can't take two steps without getting stopped, and he takes pictures with a smile on his face. Now, he is, you know, he's like a hundredth percentile, of course. But it's the handlers. who, you know, they have one week a year where they're important. And they get, it's, it's a, it's a lesson that you learn over and over again. You give anybody a little bit of power, and they are going to, they're going to let that go to their heads so much. You see it at like a, you know, you go to like a golf tournament.

Me and Lindsay are looking at each other like, how long is he going to go off on this? And there's the volunteers who are in charge of the rope. And just that little bit of power they've been given, they start getting all haughty. And it's like, take a break. Remember that you are not a big deal. Get the hell out of here. It's been a good week. It's been a good week.

We've gotten some great guests. We've had a lot of fun. We've hung out with our friends. It's been great. Jordan Milata. Jordan's awesome. Now, what's the reverse here? What do you mean?

Where is Jordan Milata in your ranking of your favorite players in the locker room? I would say that there is, like, like a 1A, B, C, D, E. I'd have probably five players who I have, like, equal appreciation for them being generous with their time, insightful when I talk to them, and just generally, really nice people. And Jordan is probably, I mean, I got to put him one today. Yeah. He's one.

Yeah. I think that's fair. He came through in a big spot. Some of the other ones might surprise some of our viewers. I know who number 53 is. No, no, don't, don't, no. We're not. I don't strongly dislike anybody in that locker.

I don't dislike anybody in that locker room. A.J. Brown is the one that people would be surprised. If Jordan's won, I guess you'd call A.J. Brown 1B. Yeah, I appreciate him for being mostly generous with his time and insightful. I don't need to go through the whole top five. What else you have in your notes? I wanted to, so I had both shirt in my notes. You want me to go again?

No, please no. For any of our viewers, we're like coffee people, because, you know, I feel like we've got to get the sights and sounds of Radio Row, and this is very close to my heart. And if anybody out there is like a coffee espresso person, then they'll appreciate this. There is a free coffee stand on the way in here. Free coffee, not freak coffee.

Free coffee stand. And on my way in, the first day, Bo is trying to get me to walk, like 20 minutes of some coffee shop you found on Google Maps. I wanted to explore the city. And I'm like, Bo, I'm going to tell you right now, like, the machines that they're using at that place, no free ads, but they are like, I know those are really nice machines. Like expensive. They're like home machines, but they're really not. They're commercial machines.

I mean, you'd be shocked at how much they cost. Like, it's five figures. So I was like, honestly, we could get coffee here. We ended up walking to get your coffee. No, no, no, no, no. You're lying now. Yes, yes, that is exactly what happened. No, no.

You said, I'm going to tell you this coffee is better than where we're going. you wanted to take the walk. The whole purpose was to get out of here, which is to get to explore a little bit. But needless to say, the coffee here has been incredible. It's been free, which is... Yeah, it's free. It's a long line.

And the thing I wanted to tell you is, I'm going to get a little bougie here. The grinders that they use, like, to grind the beans. Yeah, that's a good song. The coffee grinders they use, I don't have the exact one at my house because it's huge and it's a commercial machine. Yeah. But I've got, like, the residential version.

smaller, a little smaller. And the noise is the same. So every time I hear them grinding beans over there, it's like a Pavlovian for me. How different do you feel like coffee? You know, coffee grinders really sound? They sound, yeah, much different. Some are super loud.

Some are really quiet, but some of are really slow. That one right there is quick. It's not super loud. I would say it's moderately, moderately volumed. Grindr is big in San Francisco, you know. Yeah, okay. You're still the truth. I have a question about my room.

Okay. I was going to do this with Sheel. Jordan Milata. Maybe we will also do this with Sheel. I don't know if I was supposed to tease Sheal. Tomorrow's episode. Yeah, we'll have Sheal on tomorrow's episode. I'm excited for that.

She'll Kapadia for people who don't know. I haven't been, I've been keeping the Do Not Disturb on all week, but I was out of towels, so I flipped it. and I just wanted, I really just wanted towels, but I should have specified that. In the bathroom, I will like take the cup that I rinse, you know, I rinse with the cup, and then I'll put my toothbrush in the cup. Like I'll, you know, rinse, pour out the water, put it down, put my toothbrush in it, so my toothbrush can dry out on like an angle, right?

Okay. Lindsay's losing it over here. What's so weird about that? What do you mean? Oh, no, I wouldn't. would never put my mouth on like a hotel sink i couldn't do that i got to like get the water and drink the water that makes sense right wait are you saying you would drink from the faucet no lindsay we can't drink from the faucet no no no but you're like not straight into your mouth i don't want to wait a second

lindsay you're going like this under the oh lindsay what what do you mean what's the difference whoa this is the craziest thing we've ever learned about Or a toothbrush head. Okay, about Lindsay. Okay, fine, fine, sorry. You're just going full giraffe mode and just sticking your neck in there? We got to use the cup. You can't let your mouth touch the hotel sink.

What about just your hands? Oh, I wouldn't want to drink from my hands either. I don't know. I don't know why, but I wouldn't want to. I'm weird about hands as we've established. So I got the cup. I don't think we can spend too much time on this. What if the bowl is not deep enough?

Like, you can't fit your head in there. Yeah. Yeah. There are things that don't, you've never had that issue? Oh, come on. That's crazy. All right. This is, chat, please.

This is nuts. I've never, this is crazy. All right, go ahead. All right, so I put the toothbrush in the cup so that the bristles can air out. And that's like how I keep it the whole time I'm there. Okay. Now, I know, like, I think we've talked before about like when the housekeeper moves your stuff around

and how to feel about it. Sure. They move my toothbrush out of my thing. And that already is like, I don't want anybody touching my toothbrush. Now you know that they've touched your toothbrush. Yeah, and then they put it like face down.

It's just for making faces. They put it face down on like a towel. Face down? It was on a towel. Oh, we can't be doing face down. I'm not putting that towel in my mouth. So I don't want my toothbrush to touch the towel. The little towel mouth over here.

Yeah, like I'm like, no. Oh, you can't be putting a toothbrush. face down on anything. Talk about debasing my toothbrush. Oh, that is tough. Yeah, so I rinsed it off with hot water, but I think I got to swap out the toothbrush head when I get home. I feel like that one's done now. That's, yeah, that is tough. Yeah, yeah. So, just like, I just put it face up like as far away from the sink as possible. Face up is, but what do you put it in a cup? No, I don't put it in a cup. I just you got the base. No, I do not have the electric toothbrush with me. On the road, I'm, Lindsay's got the case

I've got a case but I like to let it air out I don't like it to sit in there yeah okay I could see that you have the case but you don't use the case I want it to like sit vertical so it airs out and can drip down and everything I want it to I want that thing to be dry I don't want that mold

my toothbrush Lindsay's laughing and I want that thing to be dry and with that what did you say oh go ahead not quite there when we get to over time.

Yeah. You should tell them what you said to Sean Syed yesterday. I don't remember what I said. About our phones? I don't think we need

to get to that. Okay, fine. Something that is actually not be too far for the show. Yeah, I don't think that needs... To be said.

Josie Altador over there. How about that? Yeah, we should have done more... So Hercules Gomez earlier? Saw Donovan McNab. He was disappointed not to be able to talk to him,

but... Maybe we'll talk to him. to admit. Bovertime. Uh, yeah. You know who else we saw? I see Mike Jones. My guy.

Who? Very good. Uh, you know who else we saw here, by the way? Maybe this is honestly what led to me being in such a bad mood. Oh, yeah. And it was right before the Bo Jackson. It was. I was telling you to look at this person when you chase down Bo Jackson.

So now that I think about it and take it, a step back, it's actually pretty clear to say that this was a one-to-one, that the most frustrating day, the most maddening day here, was also the day that we were in the orbit of A.J. Dillon. What is A.J. Dillon doing at Radio Row? You know, it's funny because we said him, did we do this on air or off-air? Where we said the player's least and most likely to be on Radio Row? Yeah. And we said A.J. Dylan. Yeah, of course. It was most likely. The guy loves, he'll take whatever publicity he can get. Be nice to him. I mean, I mean, I mean, no, I guess you're not going to nice to.

I got nothing, I got nothing bad to say about A.J. Dillon. I have some bad things to say about him. I know you do. Yeah, I mean, anyway, I've seen a lot of good, my former temple classmates on Radio. Yeah, that's been good. Yeah, a little Temple Pride going on. Yeah, yeah, I taught a class from Radio Row. How was that?

It was great. Yeah, I was worried that it was like, you know, you hear. the cautionary tale of like Zoom classes, you know, that nobody wants to be in them and that they're just significantly worse. But no, we had a good lesson, had a good discussion. And they were interested in Radio Row like they wanted to see it. So, yeah, we tried to give them a real look at the spectacle that is Radio Row. Yeah, it's a good time.

It is. It is. And it is the end of the show. That's all we got. We're going to go try to get some more interviews, procure them, like they'd be turned out. You know, maybe you get one yes for every 19 knows. You know what? That's how I get married, right?

Hey, Ben. Ben reminds me that I have another story to tell. That's maybe not really that interesting of a story other than to say that Ben and I yesterday, we cheated death. And we saw something. that we'll never forget. And, you know, let's just say that... I think we all agree that there's a particularly odious company out there that has a monopoly on merchandise.

You're trying to get yourself in trouble today. But just to see, like, the signature game and how it comes together. Terrify. Yeah. But Ben and I survived. I'm glad you guys made it back. Stoughtland News brought you back.

Stadlin saved us, just like he saved so many of his players. Yeah? All right. Well, that'll do it for this episode of the P.H.L.I. Eagles podcast. Thank you to Jordan Milata for joining us and giving us his perspective on Jeff Stylund. Thank you to Greg Kosell for joining us. Stay tuned for tomorrow's episode of the P.H.L.Y. Eagles podcast, the great Jordan Rodriguez and Greg Rosenthal are going to join us.

fun conversation, and Sheel Capadia, formerly of Philly.com. We'll join us as well. Anything else we get? Maybe a read-blankenship perspective on Joe Casper. Who's to say? You never know what happens on Radio Row.

Thank you to Lindsay. Thank you to Ben. Most of all. Thank you to E.J. For making it all happen. As always, we love.